It wasn't morals that stopped them. It was the fact that to get away quickly they would have had to take the car with the kids in it. Getting all passengers out would expose them for too long. Had they taken the kids then that would be kidnapping, a far more serious charge and large police response.
Maybe, but maybe not. Remember that in prison, anyone who harmed a child becomes a target for other prisoners. Most criminals consider harming children to be a level that they would never stoop to.
I also don't know of any parent who wouldn't fight to protect their children if they were being taken, no matter how bad the odds were. Not worth the hassle.
Don't stop until you get somewhere very public, or a police station. There's not always a perfect answer, as you may not know the area, but looking for a petrol station could be a good plan as well. They have cameras.
@@frogandspanner I once drove to the police HQ in Leicester at 6pm on a weekend because I was being chased by a gang and the place was completely closed with no one there to help.
It would take me 30+ minutes to get to my nearest station. You are better off dialling 999 and just keep driving while on the phone - you can legally use a mobile while driving to make such a call.
@@PedroConejo1939 Yes. That can be an option. Sometimes there isn't a one size fits all solution to many things. You've got to be in the moment to know what the best plan is, because there's so many different potential scenarios. Sometimes you could engage locks, stop, then wait for them to get near and simply drive off again. But that can depend on other factors too.
He didn't leave an escape route for himself when he parked. I don't expect anybody to act perfectly and rationally in a situation like this, but I though it was worth pointing out.
I wonder whether the BMW stopping briefly at the penultimate turn seemed like a quick turn off would allow them to hide briefly whilst the BMW carried on, to then reverse and rejoin the road getting out of there? I think in these situations it is easy to lose proper track of time and the bright car colour choice probably played into this a bit. So when the car stopped following closely momentarily, they might have tried to hide in a blind spot so they aren't seen... unfortunately the traffic on the road wasn't significant enough to delay the BMW (although would have probably patrolled rather than speed down the road). Unfortunately there are 101 ways of coping with this which aren't the right options such as speeding away (putting a lot of lives at risk including the kids) although unlikely to be so successful or timing manoeuvres so other vehicles get in your path hoping to impede with the risk of causing a RTC. Very hard to deal with this responsibly. I wonder if staying on the roundabout may have helped although the one way street limits some of the otpions.
@@justanotherviewer4821 I agree that these situations can be handle in many different ways. And we don't have a way of knowing what was going through cammer's head when he made that decision. Fortunately, everything went well for him and his family.
You were right when you said not to stop. It could be a hijack or just a road rage incident but it is important to keep moving and keep to places that are as public as possible. Yes, a few random turns to confirm they are following and then either head to a police station or call them.
I would also add to stick to the town/city roads, do not enter the open roads as that would give them a chance to force you to stop by getting ahead of you.
His big mistake was stopping, Especially in a place that automatically blocked him in. That may have been due to a fear / panic-induced reaction. I wouldn't apply morals to the gang. There's a good possibility the only reason they abandoned their attempt. Was because the presence of children made the hijack more difficult / less convenient. It could've simply been a case of, 'it's not worth the extra hassle for us', rather than a small dose of morals. Also, you say you'd reverse into the driver and pin him. However, you're saying that from your armchair, with hindsight, and all information, situational awareness and completed processing thereof already at your disposal, with no fear, panic or confusion clouding your judgment. It's a very different story when you face these situations in real-life split seconds of the moment. It's not like watching it on a video. You have no prior awareness. You do not have an unobstructed view of dash-cam footage. All you actually have to appraise the situation is the very limited view from your mirrors and obscured view out your back window. In those first 1-3 seconds, you're trying to: Work out exactly what's happening? Is this definitely danger or am I wrongly misinterpreting it as danger? How many people are there? What exactly are they doing? What you should do for yourself? What you should for your family? Should you fight? Should you run? How could you fight? How could you run? etc, etc. All while trying to battle against fear and panic. All of that places great informational and emotional overload on the brain. Which is why the most common actual human response in these kinds of dangerous situations is to freeze. Which is precisely why military soldiers constantly train and practice battle scenarios. Such that their brains learn how to quickly process the high informational and emotional load that presents itself in high-stress situations such as battle. Such that they don't freeze. The average joe public does not have that brain practice and training. Thus, honestly taking all the above into account. It's extremely unlikely you or any other person. Would process the situation and react quickly enough to reverse and pin him before he was clear of the door. If you reacted at all.
I drive a 3 tonne S Class - reversing into anything else is at worst going to cave in my boot ; it will wipe out pretty much any other car ; I don't care about the monetary value . My doors will be locked ; they'd have to break through both panes of my double glazing ; they'd be dead if they endangered my children ; to hell with any consequences .My car would still run , no matter what piece of crap they were driving .
Granted hindsight is 20/20 knowing they abandoned it once they saw kids but I feel backing into the driver could have caused the passenger with the weapon to start using lethal force.
I’d fear that if you escalated it by pinning the driver in reverse, they would have panicked and could have done something stupid, like breaking your windows and assaulting you in retaliation.
@@jacobfoster6773 Thats who I might have reversed into. It's all relative. Nobody knows at all what they would do. His view as the victim/driver was not the same as our perspective
Glad my car was stolen when I wasn't in it. Actually did me a favour as I hated my Golf it was too small was only 2 weeks old but was thinking of trading it in.
If you think someone is following you, take 4 left/right turns (drive in a circle), the chances of someone else doing this at random is astronomical. Also, if you think someone is following, dont drive home, drive around and phone the police
@@hybridangel3403 the police won't fine you for calling them in an emergency like this. But if you do this try to stay moving and dial when it is relatively safe to look at your phone and put it on speaker. Or ask someone else in the car to dial for you
@@hybridangel3403 You are legally allowed to call the police on a mobile in such a situation. Reporting the commission of a crime where it would be dangerous to stop is within the law and fearing for your safety is definitely within that definition. This is from the gov.uk website: *"When you can use a hand-held phone* You can use a hand-held phone if either of these apply: you’re safely parked; you need to call 999 or 112 in an emergency and it’s unsafe or impractical to stop"
I had a similar situation many years ago. I too thought it was a road rage incident, because I pulled out of a blind turn, to find a car was fast approaching (over the limit), from my right. I turned off my route, and took a few turns to see if they were following me. I could see that they ere a couple of skinheads, so I was a little anxious at this point. Unfortunately I turned into a cul-de-sac. As I was turning around, they parked their car across the road, blocking my exit, so I drove up on the pavement to get away. One of the skinheads tried to run onto the footpath to stop me, but fortunately I got away. I must say that I’m glad that my current car has auto door locking. I know that many people don’t like it, but I think it’s invaluable in situations like this.
Personal protection drivers always try to keep the vehicle moving, so keep to main roads, towards busier areas with many witnesses, and towards a police station if known. Call the police, keep a commentary, or actions and location. Use roundabouts to u-turn, back towards busy areas. Try not to get caught in a tight spot.
@WolfenGod82 In that case, the assailants would also likely be armed, and while you shoot one, the others will shoot you. Might be better without firearms, and use the car as a weapon.
@WolfenGod82 Yep, all the thousands of additional murders, maiming and accidental shootings every year would be well worth it to prevent this very rare crime. Good thinking Batman.
@WolfenGod82 I usually try to be more tactful than this but please, stop talking such bollocks. If you feel the need to carry a firearm in Britain, you're the one living in fear, not me.
A friend of mine bought a van and he started doing deliveries for a big company (won't go into details). As he was doing deliveries in Birmingham, on a very populated street, the thieves had been following him with a car, very patiently waited for him to stop to make the next delivery, got out of their car as soon as he got out of his van, took everything from him and left with his van as well. Not sure if it was worth it for them, but he didn't try resisting as everything was insured. The moral of the story is, if you can't escape/didn't notice you're being followed, don't try to be brave, because you will always be outnumbered and you never know if they will pull out a knife, machete or even a gun on you - it is not worth it!
I mean to be fair even if you only have third party insurance this is still the better plan. It might hurt to replace a vehicle but replacing yourself well that isn't a thing period.
I always drive with my doors locked after many years ago late one night there was a man standing in the road causing me to slow down. I was only driving an older fiesta so nothing flash. As I slowed he came around to the drivers window and asked me if I wanted to buy some weed. Then his accomplice that had been hiding behind a parked car had come round to the passenger door while I had been distracted and tried to open the door. Thankfully it was locked and now I was alerted to this guy trying to get into the car. I just floored it and got away from that situation as fast as possible but it made me realise how vulnerable we can be in our cars.
My brother works in a prison and is always paranoid about anyone following him, particularly when he is travelling home from work. Whenever he feels like there is a car following him or something suspicious has caught his attention he will take alternate routes which come back on himself or even stay on roundabouts going all the way around multiple times and see if they follow him and doesn't go back on his route home until he is sure it is all clear and nobody is around. I think the driver in this instance, assuming they know the area, should have driven to the nearest police station or an army base if there was any nearby. It must be scary though, especially with children in the car and in an area where you could be forced to stop at traffic lights or something before you get to the police. Glad the person who sent in the video was safe.
I work for emergency services and do the same ; only once had suspicions and called control room ( direct number in my phone ) three police cars converged within 5 minutes ; driver had no insurance ( pure fluke ) and had his car impounded .
I was paranoid too after owning a nice car in a sketchy area. On my way home I would often drive past the cul-de-sac I lived on and drive a loop around the block. It only added 2 minutes to my journey but it made sure nobody was following me to my address.
@@HtheKing because there is almost always guards posted at an army base. And if you are about to be attacked you would want to go to somewhere with some security.
“excuse me private, the lads in the car behind are trying to carjack me and I have kids”. I imagine the lads in the car would find themselves staring down a gun barrel pretty damned quick..
The main mistake Wayne made there was pulling up in a place where it was easy for the scumbags to block him in, If you are suspicious of a following car, whether that be road rage or potential hi-jack/robbery pull over on an open road. If they stop behind you and pile out drive on, if they stop in front of you... reverse, U turn.
I don’t think anyone really knows how they’d act until they’ve been in that position - easy to say what you’d do but when it’s time to do it it’s trickier. Sticking to main roads is the best idea I think: public places where they know they’d be seen probably would be for the best. If you do end up stuck then you sort of have to do what they want you to: your safety is more important than the car especially if the insurance will cover it. Although if kids were involved I suspect people will act a lot differently!
This is why we prepare in advance. This is why the wise passenger pays attention to airline safety briefings - it can save your life. When driving, know how to determine that you are being followed and know the most effective way to get help quickly. Unless you are a particularly high profile target for some particularly fanatical types, a lot of crims will just give up if they know you're on to them and especially if they see you using the phone.
I've run a roadrager over. I would not hesitate to splatter anyone up their own car for this.. The secret is, always expect trouble, remain calm, keep your eye on the target, act quickly, don't hesitate and get the hell away quickly.. a case of mistaken identity can be talked out of later but your kids life is more important than your car.
I'm on your side mate, as soon as I saw them jump out with weapons and if my kids were in my car, it's going into reverse and I'm flattening the driver, and I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over it.
Been in a similar situation myself. Luckily I was in my home town so I was able to make my destination my nearest supermarket. A busy car park with plenty of witnesses. I called my mum as I was driving alone to make sure that she could note the details of the car that was following me. They soon disappeared after I pulled into the car park. A few days later that same car in question was involved in a police chase and ended up crashing into a pub that was hosting an outdoor live music event with adults and children present. Not sure on the outcome of their arrest but I bet they probably just got a slap on the wrist...
Glad you avoided harm , but please remember the back end of cars will take a lot more damage than the fronts ( watch demolition derby ) if you smash their radiator your boot will be dented in but they will be unable to follow more than a few miles ; rear end collision won't hurt your children , but it will stop pursuers . If they are after your car , once it is smashed it will be of no value to them . my children are my life and I will kill to protect them
I've been in a road rage situation where I was followed like this - I had been tailgated when side-by-side with a convoy of half a dozen lorries on the A27, doing the limit, and they had obviously taken upset at me for not speeding up for them to get out of the way. When I eventually pulled across, they pulled across to and kept behind me so I knew instantly that this was not normal. I slowed to 60 and they slowed too, I dropped to 50 and they dropped to. As I drove in towards Arundel there was a large roundabout, no lights, so I got on it and just kept going round. I knew they would either have to overtake me and I would then divert off the next exit behind them, or they'd keep with me and I would have unblockable access to keep driving whilst I waited for the police. My wife called the police but the car drove off after about the 20th lap or so before the cops got there. I was lucky to have the idea quickly that I needed to find a place I wouldn't be stopped by lights or traffic, and it was late at night, so the roads were very quiet and I wasn't going to annoy anybody by doing laps. Didn't need to break any laws, it kept us safe and nobody got hurt.
A couple of times I spotted what I thought was a car following me while I was driving home. So I didn't drive to my house and kept going elsewhere, taking a circuitous route. Thankfully both incidents turned out to be false alarms.
@@Asdayasman If I had kids I could probably kill to protect them, but on second thought in this country I'd end up in jail surrounded with the same type of people I killed while protecting my kids while they grow up without a father.
Spidey senses would have been triggered early by the erratic driving, I would have (and have done so myself in the past) driven to say one of the Mersey tunnels or something that requires a toll, they would have been to skint to pay, or a cctv area hospital for example.
Haha sorry that made me laugh. Too skint to pay the toll 😂 thieves think they're hard but they don't realise that, to everyone else, they're just poor and brave
Cheers, got some great tips on how to avoid this if it happens to me. Take multiple left or right turns in a repeating circle to establish that they are definitely following you. Keep driving into a highly populated area where you can receive help, or deter the thieves. but most importantly, if things are becoming suspicious, CALL THE POLICE!
When we are on our way home I am always watching who is behind and more importantly, how long they have been there as well, in terms of are we being followed. I’ve even then had a car follow me for ages and then up our road at which point I go straight around a second road and carry on so nowhere near home. With the car I have I am all too aware of this possibility and for over 20 years have driven with locked doors anyway. BUT in this instance, if I had any thoughts of what may happen I would never stop driving and if anything I would head for clearer roads with less chance of having to stop, or get blocked in and then be calling the cops. Just keep driving no matter what. I don’t think quickly enough under this kind of stress but the time to reverse would have been to stop the driver opening his door at all, before he even got chance to get out. That’s the time to reverse back.
I'd wait until the threat was indisputable then disable their car ; I wouldn't reverse at a person , but disabling another car won't carry a heavy penalty if you have made a mistake
One of the many reasons I lock my doors when I first start the car, have a dash cam and a gps module. The amount of people who try a door handle when sat in traffic... Hence why I also leave a gap infront of me. The other issue, my local police station was closed some time ago, it would take me about 20/25 minutes to get the next nearest one assuming for some reason I couldn't dial 999.
This happened to me, albeit while driving in another country. I noticed a car was following me because I was lost and went around two blocks a couple times each trying to figure out how to get onto a road in a specific direction. I was in the very dodgy part of the city, having turned off the main road at the wrong time. I was trying to find a place to stop and check the satnav. At some point, I stopped at a stop sign and I saw a door open and immediately close as I started moving again. At that point I started driving down the middle of the street to block off any possibility of them overtaking and blocking me while also driving slightly slower than normal to give myself thinking/reaction time. At this point I made sure to engage the central lock and check all windows are up, they can probably break them and reach the interior handles but why let them have access... I started trying to get back onto the main road as quickly as possible thinking there was a lower chance of them trying anything as the road was busy. It was very hard to find a junction that led back onto that main road from that area (why I was lost in the first place) and once I did there was a light to go through. As I slowed down and crept up at the light I saw the car behind me creeping up, almost touching the back of mine, with all doors but the driver's being held ajar and ready to go. It was a split second decision to stop hard and let them bump into my back and come out of the car. I could see a gap in the traffic and was going to go for it. After failing to stop without bumping me, the come out of the car and run towards me, they got to try the handles on the rear doors and the passenger's side front. As they're doing this I notice a police car chillin' across the main road a block down, in front of coffee shop, the traffic has a big gap because a light upstream has gone red and I just go for it. I ran the red and noticed the police had already noticed me because they were pointing at me so I go straight for them. The guys ran after me for a couple metres then back to their car and actually came after me on the main road (must've not noticed the police. The police car was about 60m down the road with two officers and there were two more motorbikes with two officers each. I saw them scramble as I passed them. I had about 300-400m of empty road in front of me to get to the next set of lights with just a couple cars waiting at the red. I heard the sirens and as soon I saw the police on my side mirrors the would-be carjackers broke off to the right (this was in a LHD country) and try to duck into the side streets. They couldn't get through the cars stopped at the red and got surrounded by the police. As the light turned green I started moving with the rest of the traffic and making my way over to lane 1 from 3 to pull over with my hazards and wait for the police who would likely want a statement. They later told me I got very lucky as those guys turned out to be a gang of carjackers with a habit of stabbing drivers in the gut in the process of carjacking them. It took three days to get a proper night's sleep after that, adrenaline is a powerful thing.
That gave me a chill that went right down my spine. I guess it takes ages to get over something like that and I'm glad the fortunes were smiling on you.
Great blog. I've been driving more years than I like to remember, and gave up driving a 7.5 lorry, because of the amount of car drivers that are "Space invaders" I seen only one potential car high jacking (failed).
I think this highlights a very good point. Living in SA this is a daily occurrence as crime is seriously out of control, and as such many people here take defensive driving courses. I personally would not have entered an area that I didn't know. I also would not have stopped to turn around. Having been in this situation, I instructed my wife to set the sat nav for the nearest police station, I then asked her to call the police while I focused all my attention on staying mobile and not giving them an opportunity to pin us in anywhere. As soon as we got close to the police station the car tailing us peeled off in the opposite direction. I would not have had the presence of mind to do this had I not undergone the defensive driver training course.
Reverse into the drivers door to pin him to the spot? Not reversing hard enough. For someone trying to hijack a car you need to reverse hard and fast enough to have the door crush his chest, leaving him with a permanent disability.
Im fortunate enough to have received counter-terror and crime training as part of my job. Few pointers - if you are being followed, or suspect you are being followed, run a few loops on very public roads, or circle a roundabout a couple of times to confirm you are being followed. If you are grab the phone and get on to the police and start driving straight to the nearest station. If you do end up getting stopped and they want the vehicle you're in - just give them the vehicle, your life is worth more than a lump of metal and plastic.
oh and a side note on that: always drive with your doors locked, even if you're just stopped at traffic lights and a local teen is bored and wants to joyride your car, the lock is basically your first defense.
Thanks for the sender. I agree that being alone, maybe handing over is an option. Also, calling the police asap and reporting would be necessary. However, for prevention purposes, maybe closing all doors and putting up a protective film on the driver side and passenger side window is a good pre-emptive move. Stay safe Ashley and everyone.
As soon as I’d have seen the weapon I’d have slapped it in reverse, being in the moment it’s easy to say how you’d act. Hopefully nobody is in that situation to have to react. Hindsight is always 20/20. But it’s a good lesson for the viewers.
i think there are two different responses shock and fear to the point of doing nothing or panic and adrenaline and doing something drastic , either way not a nice situation to be in
The problem in recognising this may be about to happen is that it is (Thankfully) so rare in the UK although by all accounts increasing. A friend told me about this happening to his son recently on the way to work in leafy Northumberland! Another friend's brother lives and works in Brazil and there you really need to be on your guard as it happens all of the time and there are always guns involved. Many people just ignore red lights in cities as this is the most likely spot for it to happen.
@@Haybalemelonhead No the MK2 punto won't have it. I had a 55-reg one up until recently and that didn't have it either. I've now got a MK7 Ford Fiesta, 2012 reg, and that also doesn't have that feature unfortunately.
@@Haybalemelonhead my 2006 punto did have this feature in the menu options. May have been a next model thing but some old cars do have a lock button which locks all doors from the inside. If not then i'm unsure.
I always get suspicious of any car which follows me for a long period of time. As a young driver it is something new to learn about and know when this situation is going to occur.
5:06 I would have instinctively reversed into them at this point. I was actually expecting that when I saw this clip, and I don't think any jury in the country would fault someone for trying to get away from attackers using any means necessary.
I would say the reason they didnt go on was because with kids in the car, they knew the adults would fight to the death to protect them. It wasnt a moral thing for them, it was about ease of the theft. Adults will die for children, especially their own. Not to mention child abduction charges can get you put on a kill list in prison.
Im with you Ashley. Drove a cab in a Navy town and we could be targets for robbery and I would have reversed into driver as he got out. The front passenger appeared to be carrying a firearm!
I don't see how that helps. The front passenger has the firearm, so you disable one of the attackers, now four remaining, not disabled, one known to be armed. Your car maybe stuck in a position you can't move from, so now you're stuck with the armed man who might be a lot more aggressive now you've injured his mate. That seems a much worse position than before reversing into the driver.
Instinct? Hard reverse into the drivers side door as soon as I spotted the guy with something in his hand, problem with that is they'll probably use lethal force as revenge. But I'd probably have driven straight to the nearest police station avoiding any lights possible (running a red if needed). That said I would have driven around a route a few times to confirm any suspicions.
It is horrible for fate to ever put you in situations like this as of no fault of your own. Unless you can outsmart or get away, you literally have to step up sacrificing your life for your family or going to prison for manslaughter to save your family. If the police have been called, you are probably likely to be able to claim self-defence, but the alternative is being weak where your family is harmed or killed. I would hate to be in this situation especially as a family unit.
I would have done two rolling U turns, if they follow you through both then it's obvious they're following you. If this is the case just divert to the nearest police station
That situation disgusts me. Something similar happened to me in Spain. 2 men ran up the footpath from behind as I parked up. I sat in the car expecting them to past, but instead they ran to the rear of the car, opened the boot and grabbed our luggage. I gave chase on foot, but they had a third person waiting in a car at the end of the street. Despite getting the reg I never heard anything back from the Spanish police. I know we weren't followed from the airport and suspect they had an accomplice at the car hire company who gave them our details.
I'd try keep the car moving and call the police. I'd like to say I wouldn't of put myself in the situation of being blocked in like that but hindsight is 2020. If I were blocked in and by myself I'd just let them take the car and if I had kids then I'd be ramming my way out of there.
A point i would raise is if your car is fitted with a sat nav, never put in your home address into the sat nav if you do ,they steal your car with the keys, set the sat nav to home they rob your house as well, set the sat nav to town centre you must know the way home from there.Like others have pointed out head for a main road, petrol station or even police/ fire station.
Due to circumstances I'm not going to go into .I have been threatened in the past and followed even had my ambulance shot at ! The police advice was very simple if you know area drive to nearest police station or somewhere very public avoid back roads if possible. Be aware of who is around you at all times keep doors locked .and another piece of advice if you think you are being followed take the next four MAIN left turns so therefore going around in a circle that way if the car behind does the same you know you are being followed . We did also have the nightmare of a van full of dogs get stolen someone jumped in and drove off with them .fortunately they were let free a few miles away and stayed together and the local people kept them safe till we could recover them .but that was a NIGHTMARE .
Do you mean a police HQ? With so many police desks closed, unless you are able to dial 999 and give them a heads up, being at a police station may not phase many criminals. In this case with 5 people, the driver will await an escape, the other 4 get out to take the vehicle, and likely to be gone in 30 seconds before any police could do anything. Unless you have a camera filming the police station, in which case police will come out to see what you are doing!
Someone once tried to carjack me, it was quite a strange experience. I was driving along a standard road the usual 30MPH limit which was rather quiet it was during the first year of lockdown and this man started walking into the road in front of me carrying a rather large rock on his shoulder, easily big enough to damage my car or break some glass. I stopped, for two reasons, 1/I didn't want to run him over, he could have very easily stepped in front of me, 2/I didn't want him to throw the rock onto my car, I gestured to him to stop what he was doing which luckily convinced him to drop the rock on the floor, after all, he had achieved what he was looking for by my stopping at which point I shouted out of my window all closed and all doors locked "what's up" he then proceeded to try and open the driver side door and when that was locked he moved to try and open the offside rear at this point I realized without a doubt that his intentions were nefarious as previous I wondered if this was just a person in distress. My action was then to simply drive off. This left me slightly shaken and concerned, my task at the time was the one time I ventured out of my hour to do some essential food shopping and that happened to me. I contemplated reporting it to the police but thought the description I have of the man was quite vague as I had a whole situation to contend with at the time rather than just taking details about his person, I decided to do my food shipping and just go about my require routine. If I had video evidence I think I would have driven to the nearest police station and reported it, but without an image of the assailant and only a vague description I didn't see much point, after all, there was a housing estate nearby which the person could very easily disappear into within minutes so even if the police had responded instantly chances if finding the person would have been slim. Two valuable lessons I learned that day, 1, keep the windows up in uncertain circumstances, 2, keep the doors locked. After watching this video I realize also, keeping moving even at a slow pace makes the hijacking more difficult, and the fear of your own safety bumping into the person at low speeds can be considered as self-defense.
I was followed last Friday after work, it was 2pm, he was in the middle of the road behind me, after some traffic light and turns I decided to pullover so he could pass, he pulled up behind me and sat in his car, after 1 min I pulled off and started heading to the police station but he vanished before I got there, my heart was pounding
Organized crime can not exist without close cooperation with law enforcement, it is from this cooperation that they get their power and endurance. Odds are good that the local bobbies know exactly who works that area, and they have an agreed monthly fee for the service.
If I suspected that someone was following me. I would then take turns that I wouldn't normally take just to see if they follow my every move, or even go round in circles round a block. then I might have called the police
I would have done the same as you, Ashley. In fact, I have under similar circumstances. Driving a 7.5 ton many years ago, a smart Merc swerved in front of me and stopped and a guy got out with a hammer. Without a pause, I took off, smashing the Merc out of the way and drove off. I stopped at the nearest Police Station I could find. I didn't want to get out so I sat on the horn until someone came out to see what the racket was about. Luckily they didn't follow me. Hopefully, the Merc was disabled. I was told I had acted in fear of my life and that what I did was reasonable defence and that they were not going to take action against me. I gave them all my details. The Merc turned out to be pinched.
It was nothing to do with morals Ash. Crimes like this need to be fast. The kids in the car would slow them down and increase the chance of the police actually doing something about it.
Wow scary! I’ve often thought bout being followed and always think I’ll drive to a police station or hospital or somewhere hideously public supermarket car park maybe? Head for a motorway? and sound my horn etc but at the time I’m sure this would all go out the window with panic.
@James Stewart i just meant honk horn as a means of a deterrent perhaps where i was stationary such as a public place.... I obviously didn’t mean honking horn as i was driving down the motorway. I was merely thinking and listing alternative places to go. Phoning the police goes without saying if i could do it safely, although in most circumstances, i dont see how they would have got there quick enough as in the scenario above....
@@suzannebradbury I also think the motorway could be a good idea, depending on the time of day and status of your fuel tank. 3-4 open lanes of traffic and driving at 70+ mph they can't get at you unless they're willing to put themselves in danger and destroy the car they're trying to steal in the process. And, if things are really desperate and you're in fear for your life, and depending on the differences in cars, a chance to outrun them, though if they're using "getaway" style cars they'll probably be as quick/quicker unless you're driving something that can do more than 155.
If you genuinely think someone is following you, drive to a police station, ideally with a car park and park right next to the entrance of the police station. Alternatives are to drive to the emergency intake of a hospital (don't block anything though!) or a fire station. Even an MOT station or a large car dealership with mechanics will do (provided it's trading hours of course). Whilst that doesn't guarantee your 100% safety almost everyone with bad intentions is going to reconsider you as a target at that point because the risk to them is enormous.
Many years ago I was victim of an attempted hi-jacking of a brand new Ford mondeo..it was evening time and I became suspicious of 2 cars following me. I was in a notoriously sketchy area of Sheffield (burngreave) and had driven the area many times before At the time I lived about 5 miles away from this area.the 2 cars tried to box me in while I was stood at a red traffic light. 1 blocked me at the front and one at the side of me. The occupants of the car at the side of me were shouting for me to get out the car and leave the keys.. A black cab ( not involved) was approaching me from the rear but I able to escape at speed in reverse before I was boxed in.. I performed a reverse 180° spin and was able to make good my escape back the way I had come.. I didn’t really think about what Was happening it at the time but afterwards i was shaking probably with Adrenalin...
Defo would have reversed into the car But I wouldn’t have gone into such small streets with so few routes to change directions - even if I thought it was road rage
The only time anything remotely like that happened with me (in the late 90's), I got suspicious near my home, and essentially drove in a loop between 3 junctions (traffic lights>roundabout>T junction>back to the traffic lights). I did this 3 times with the same car following, and the 4th time we got to the lights, the other car went the opposite way (back the way we had originally approached from on my way home). I do think that, in my case, it was a plain police car watching me though (I was 17/18 at the time).
Dash camera recorders and a need and a perfect way to prove proof of evidence if you got into a situation like this writing a story about it honestly no one will care but seeing it happen weather its in person or online is a perfect example and I really appreciate the great job you did with the 12 things you can do to possibly prevent a car jaking clip was amazing and honestly in my opinion perfect I am loving your videos and hopefully you will get more videos like this posted
With the increase risk of terrorism, it would be hard to tell whether it is a hijacking or terrorists armed to kill. Protect yourself and use your car as a weapon to scare and injure them.
Terrorists arent going to fond some random guy in Liverpool to take his car. There are bigger targets. I mean you can walk into a train station easily and cause WAY more damage and loss of life by targeting the Liverpool rail network. He drives a BMW they're obviously after the expensive car they can sell for parts on ebay (only a real idiot sells a whole car after stealing it)
if someone is driving behind me, and take the same turns as me, i always keep an eye on the car. this is not happening in norway that much but always keep an eye out!
Being in that country, I think pinning might be the best move to make, as they wouldn't be able to get away (I used to deliver for a pizza joint and was a victim of 5 robberies, only 2 were successful, so I got a feel for followers). However, here in the states, my instincts are a bit different....the moment I see doors open and a gang fall out with masks and weapons, that's when I've already got my gun in hand and pinned to the chest and telling the kids to close their eyes and cover their ears. Let's just say, I don't think any of them would be wasting taxpayer money when I'm done. Criminals get no quarter with me when it comes to my family, just saying.
If you think someone is following you and you are worried a good one is drive to the nearest police station, I used to be a London taxi driver and I did it a couple of times and it worked out well for me.
I remember being followed once, not hijacking but a think it was an attempt at road rage I was driving a van doing street cleansing work for London borough of Newham and stopped in the middle of the road to pick up a fly tip obstructing the road and following drivers didn't like it This particular driver decided to follow me to "have a word", so I drove around the block, and I went round the same block again, and stopped, opened the door and looked at the following driver. - he realised I had sussed his game and it was enough to make him see sense, drive off and the incident blew over I told my supervisor about the incident, it was written in a book for reference, but that was the end of it
Call Police on any phone. Passenger could have possibly done this. Let them know where you are at al times. Possibly use Horn with Morse code whilst driving 3 shorts, 3 longs, and 3 more shorts in a busy area. Also put hazard, and headlights on possibly full beam. Anything to attract attention to one's self. Any un marked police car would then use blue lights to pull you over, then explain reasons for your driving.
When I was younger a number of people I hung around with had been involved in late night incidents in their cars, so I was always a little careful about what is behind me and would change my route if I thought there was someone following. I've had one, what I thought to be, attempted car jacking. Driving home past a park on my estate I got flagged down, as I slowed I saw a metallic object in the guys right hand and another guy started approaching from the rear. I'd already hit the central locking as I slowed and lowered the window a bit to talk to the first guy. My solution was to put it in reverse and gun the throttle at which time they ran off. The reasoning in going backwards rather than forwards is that it leaves the option to go forwards with a better run up of clear road, also my car is a heavy front wheel drive SUV-type, forwards will spin, reversed will just dig in and move. In the video, I don't think the driver did himself any favours by appearing to rollback closer to the car that had parked behind him, better to leave a sizeable gap so you have room to accelerate if needed. As soon as the car pulled up and the guys got out central locking should have been on. Normally, guys getting out of the car in masks and approaching would have been enough to warrant running them over but in the current climate you need to be a little more accommodating. I doubt the driver could see the weapon right at the start, but edging forward as far as possible and then putting it into reverse ready to go if it kicks off should have been the plan. The moment anyone swings or looks like they are about to swing full power to reverse. From discussions with police officers a guy with no history and with his kids in the car should have no problem with the police if you can genuinely claim you feared for your family, and even if you did, the chance of a jury conviction would be pretty low so long as you don't drive over the injured afterwards.
Scary AF. I don't think I'd have been able to reverse into someone, but you can't say never since you don0t really know in extreme scenarios like that. Probably the best advice is to stop in a place where theres an easy scape, either by backing up or just going forward, and if you can at a 'big' street where more cars and bystanders are around
I drive an old worthless car at present but have in the past had cars worth pinching. I've only once thought I was being followed, I did a complete circle at an appropriate roundabout and the car didn't follow so all was well, I still think I was being followed but they realised they had been sussed. The terms "reasonable force" and "excessive force" are unfortunately terms used after the event, the force I would use at the time of the event and if I had, for instance my son with me, would be whatever force was necessary to stop the event and let the court system discuss the matter in cosy rooms afterwards.
In the UK, especially London, the police can't even stop people from stealing bikes when they see it happening, what are they gonna do with 5 people trying to hijack a car? But if they were armed and used weapons everyone would just get mad.
I always have an escape route planned. I remember I pulled out of a bowling alley and about 30s later a car was on my tail. I didn't cut them off and I didn't do anything wrong, I was sitting on the speed limit. I drove 15min to the nearest police station I knew of and dialed 000 (Australian emergency). Eventually they figured out where I was driving and stopped following me. I drove 8min past where I lived as I live in a dead end street.
The fact they were targeting a similar looking car to the one they already had already stolen cannot be a coincidence. Perhaps someone could explain the thinking behind what they were trying to do.
Cars are worth more as parts than as a whole. The 2 cars are probably 135 or 140 models , very lucrative enterprise stripping for parts or in containers and shipped out of the country.
I inspect damaged vehicles for insurance companies and a cut and shut involves welding two damaged vehicles together so it's not that. This is much more likely to be an attempt to steal a specific vehicle 'to order'
This is why I love my Toyota avensis, its got automatic lock that lock all the doors after you reach 20mph. It may not stop hijackers but definitely slow the down and give you more reaction time
I'm not sure what I'd do in this situation but you've got to be careful of ramming the car, not just for it being seen as excessive force but it might cut your fuel pump and your car is then disabled.
A car blocks your route of escape. Men jump out of a car and head towards you. With a weapon that looked like a gun being held by someone now walking even closer towards you, ramming them would not be considered excessive - even if the worse happened.
@@CommodoreVic20 the problem is if you have managed to set off your air bags in some cars it might also activate the fuel cut off,, old cars it was based on impact force and had a mechanical button you could press somewhere so you can reset it, but on new cars its built into the ecu witch just electronically prevents The pump From Operating (typically after the airbags have been deployed or inertia G-Force sensors have detected a significant impact)
@@NubletPie278 having fuel still pumping after a crash is not good and it been disabled is far safer then having another source for the fire to get fuel it does usually require an significant crash to activate the fuel cut off but most high speed frontal impacts that has tripped the airbags in an level 2+ state (stronger airbag deployment due to higher impact detected) will trigger the cut off if its mechanical fuel pump cut off button it be above 20mph g-force type impact to make pop off
Yes I think if you do stop you need to make sure you can set off again quickly. It looks in this case he turned into an entrance that had no escape. Better to stop on left hand side of road, with no vehicles in front of you so that you can accelerate away quickly if necessary, as was clearly the case here with them getting out of the car armed.
Before covid. I was abroad quite a lot. What struck me the most about the places I visited was the lack of chavs and how nice it is. If I could speak the language fluently and had the savings, I’d happily leave the UK tomorrow.
Wow, that's quite a clip. Thank you to you and the viewer for sharing. Interesting comments - very much looking forward to hearing your thoughts Ashley in the follow up video on how to avoid / what to do. Makes me think I should get a rear facing dashcam! I think/hope what I'd do if confronted with such a situation is try to get away from the bandit car without hitting anything or anyone or putting innocent parties in danger. Easier said than done. Re. pinning the driver to the door - good thought and tempting, but it would potentially only immobilise the driver and you're still boxed in by the bandit car. As it wouldn't immobilise the others, including the fine upstanding citizen with the weapon, you then have four angry, volatile and possibly armed bandits still to deal with. Unless they run off scared, which is possible (though not guaranteed). The footage from across the road suggests there might have just about been space for the cammer to reverse out. If I couldn't get out of the space without hitting anything or anyone, then waiting for the men to be clear (if possible) and ramming the car in order to force your way out of the space might be an option? Although a comment below suggests that might cut your fuel supply, and would the impact also discharge your airbags, potentially immobilising you in the car just when you need to make a quick exit? Also might damage your own car enough to make it undriveable, e.g. bumper hanging off, flat tyres. So realistically the best option probably is to try to avoid getting to a situation where you might be trapped - keep driving and keep moving if you possibly can, keep a big gap in front and be alert for potential escape routes if you're forced to stop in traffic, turn back on yourself if you can do so without putting yourself in more danger (e.g. go all the way round a roundabout), call the police if you're still suspicious, drive to somewhere very public with CCTV, and note reg number and if there's an opportunity description of baddies. Probably in something like that order. That the driver of the bandit car got out makes me think this bunch weren't very bright - after all if they were aiming to steal another car to add to their collection wouldn't they need to escape the scene in both? I guess adrenaline and various illicit substances might be kicking in. Finally I'm well aware I'm writing this from the comfort of home with time for reflection. Glad your viewer and their family survived this frightening incident unscathed.
Reversing into the front of the bandit car should disable it - any car can take a lot more damage at the back end than at the front - you'd get a dented in boot - other car would , if you hit it hard enough , get a busted radiator and be unable to drive far , if at all , by not driving at any person , legal repercussions would be minimal
Pour water all over the drivers seat and tell them you'd pissed yourself. but no, not really, but who would nick a car and sit in that? Answers on a post card.
It’s also worth remembering that a good reason he may have not reversed into their car could been exactly because he had his kids in the car. Vehicles these days are pretty tough, sure… But there’s still a danger to deliberately driving into another vehicle - especially reversing into someone with your kids in the back seats. This was a scary incident, for sure. I’m just glad everyone came out unscathed.
Hijackers with morals, that was lucky. Best thing to do is keep driving. If you think hes following, do a few laps of a roundabout, if hes still following, call the police! and if possible head towards a police station
Morals? It was just there was too much effort to handle the driver and kids, and if they couldn't get the kids out they'd ever have to abandon the effort or end up with a kidnapping situation. Plus more likely to get local media attention if kids are involved.
@@tokyo8236 Yeah this is my take. They weren't completely foolish at least, but I doubt it's a moral issue - just the added logistics of getting a child out, the world of pain that would descend on a kidnap vs a car theft, and the added punishment/aggravating features should they get caught.
Someone tried to jack a GTI I was test driving many years ago. Learned from that big time. Always lock yer doors. Never stop if you think you’re being followed. Keep a strategic getout space around your vehicle and be extra extra aware of your surroundings when at gas/ petrol stations. So many road ragers out there nowadays in addition to the jackers, and they don’t care if you have your kid in the car (another lesson learned)
A reason for cars following each other down a load of side-streets could well be GPS. I've often been part of a long chain of cars driving through smaller residential streets due to GPS diversions to avoid blocked main roads.
Update: can't you lock your car while inside it to help prevent this happening? Yes they could smash your windows but car windows are tough. As wrong as this is to do my first action/instinct would most likely be flight. If I was trapped like that I'd attempt to reverse like you said (I'd sooner try to go forward if possible though) as well as use the horn to draw attention to myself or warn others of the incident. The best thing to do if possible is to let them have the car or valuables as they aren't worth your or your loved ones lives. Again this is why dash cameras should be encouraged if not made compulsory to have on vehicles as they can protect you in situations like this! Calling the police definitely helps even if you don't have the number plate as you can at least raise awareness of said criminals in the area.
@@Mickzz evidence and numberplate. That's how. Yes it wouldn't have done much help at the moment, say for being a possible deterrent. It would have been a massive help after the matter with getting their money/property back and catching the criminals in the act. They can also help other victims as if I recall right Ashley did say the car they used was also stolen. Edit: yes I know a hammer tool can smash windows in.
It's not really prejudiced, it just so happens that you've seen more road rage incidents involving those types of cars than others. That's just sensible reasoning. That has also been the case for me.
My wife and I _think_ we might’ve been an intended target for a car jacking a few years ago. A black SUV was following us for ages, all the way tailgating and cutting other people off to stay behind us. I even ran a red light at an intersection where I could see far enough that it was safe, but they just stayed glued to my rear bumper. At first I thought it was an incident of road rage, just like the cammer here, but after not being able to shake them for multiple round-the-block turns and then the red light, I assumed it was more nefarious than that. Luckily this happened in my home town, so I knew where our police station was (and I knew many of the officers as I am a volunteer firefighter). So I took a route where I knew I could keep the car rolling at all times and finally turned into the lot for police cars behind the station - where one of the officers gave me a friendly wave and came up to my car. The SUV went straight on as if nothing happened, so I can’t be 100% sure it wasn’t just a peeved driver that I inadvertently cut or something like that, but I wasn’t taking the chance. Also, I had a lovely chat with the officer and was invited to his wife’s (a paramedic and also volunteer firefighter) birthday BBQ, so it was a win-win for me. 😂 That’s how these things are dealt with in the countryside.
Going around a roundabout a couple of times usually gives you the better idea if you are being tailed.
This, or take four right turns if you're American
thats if you have a suspicion. most people don't really think that they are being
my bro said that.
I’m laughing just go round the round about 7 times just to make sure
@@Kostasoflow this would come after I turn right, right, right, right back on myself. Phoning the police as I spin the rndbt
It wasn't morals that stopped them. It was the fact that to get away quickly they would have had to take the car with the kids in it. Getting all passengers out would expose them for too long. Had they taken the kids then that would be kidnapping, a far more serious charge and large police response.
That's a bingo.
I concluded pretty much the same. No morals involved
Maybe, but maybe not. Remember that in prison, anyone who harmed a child becomes a target for other prisoners. Most criminals consider harming children to be a level that they would never stoop to.
Good point.
I also don't know of any parent who wouldn't fight to protect their children if they were being taken, no matter how bad the odds were. Not worth the hassle.
Don't stop until you get somewhere very public, or a police station. There's not always a perfect answer, as you may not know the area, but looking for a petrol station could be a good plan as well. They have cameras.
Do you know where your local police station is? So many have been closed that the safe haven of a local police station no longer exists.
@@frogandspanner I once drove to the police HQ in Leicester at 6pm on a weekend because I was being chased by a gang and the place was completely closed with no one there to help.
It would take me 30+ minutes to get to my nearest station. You are better off dialling 999 and just keep driving while on the phone - you can legally use a mobile while driving to make such a call.
Yeah I wonder why they didn't use a petrol station to hyjack a car ?
@@PedroConejo1939 Yes. That can be an option. Sometimes there isn't a one size fits all solution to many things. You've got to be in the moment to know what the best plan is, because there's so many different potential scenarios. Sometimes you could engage locks, stop, then wait for them to get near and simply drive off again. But that can depend on other factors too.
Fair play to the guy in the car for sharing this footage so that we can all learn from his experience
He didn't leave an escape route for himself when he parked. I don't expect anybody to act perfectly and rationally in a situation like this, but I though it was worth pointing out.
I once pulled over as I thought the person following me would drive off, huge mistake as they got out and started shouting at me lol
@@5uper5kill3rz Good, I would argue cus the they arent behind the wheel so you can floor it and get a head start
I wonder whether the BMW stopping briefly at the penultimate turn seemed like a quick turn off would allow them to hide briefly whilst the BMW carried on, to then reverse and rejoin the road getting out of there?
I think in these situations it is easy to lose proper track of time and the bright car colour choice probably played into this a bit. So when the car stopped following closely momentarily, they might have tried to hide in a blind spot so they aren't seen... unfortunately the traffic on the road wasn't significant enough to delay the BMW (although would have probably patrolled rather than speed down the road).
Unfortunately there are 101 ways of coping with this which aren't the right options such as speeding away (putting a lot of lives at risk including the kids) although unlikely to be so successful or timing manoeuvres so other vehicles get in your path hoping to impede with the risk of causing a RTC. Very hard to deal with this responsibly. I wonder if staying on the roundabout may have helped although the one way street limits some of the otpions.
@@justanotherviewer4821 I agree that these situations can be handle in many different ways. And we don't have a way of knowing what was going through cammer's head when he made that decision. Fortunately, everything went well for him and his family.
Don’t stop. Don’t head into a dead end. Don’t drive home.
You were right when you said not to stop. It could be a hijack or just a road rage incident but it is important to keep moving and keep to places that are as public as possible. Yes, a few random turns to confirm they are following and then either head to a police station or call them.
good advice
I would also add to stick to the town/city roads, do not enter the open roads as that would give them a chance to force you to stop by getting ahead of you.
"random turns" don't mean shit fella, by sheer chance you could be turning exactly where they need to go, doesn't mean they're following you lol
His big mistake was stopping, Especially in a place that automatically blocked him in. That may have been due to a fear / panic-induced reaction.
I wouldn't apply morals to the gang. There's a good possibility the only reason they abandoned their attempt. Was because the presence of children made the hijack more difficult / less convenient. It could've simply been a case of, 'it's not worth the extra hassle for us', rather than a small dose of morals.
Also, you say you'd reverse into the driver and pin him. However, you're saying that from your armchair, with hindsight, and all information, situational awareness and completed processing thereof already at your disposal, with no fear, panic or confusion clouding your judgment.
It's a very different story when you face these situations in real-life split seconds of the moment. It's not like watching it on a video. You have no prior awareness. You do not have an unobstructed view of dash-cam footage. All you actually have to appraise the situation is the very limited view from your mirrors and obscured view out your back window.
In those first 1-3 seconds, you're trying to:
Work out exactly what's happening? Is this definitely danger or am I wrongly misinterpreting it as danger? How many people are there? What exactly are they doing? What you should do for yourself? What you should for your family? Should you fight? Should you run? How could you fight? How could you run? etc, etc. All while trying to battle against fear and panic.
All of that places great informational and emotional overload on the brain. Which is why the most common actual human response in these kinds of dangerous situations is to freeze.
Which is precisely why military soldiers constantly train and practice battle scenarios. Such that their brains learn how to quickly process the high informational and emotional load that presents itself in high-stress situations such as battle. Such that they don't freeze. The average joe public does not have that brain practice and training.
Thus, honestly taking all the above into account. It's extremely unlikely you or any other person. Would process the situation and react quickly enough to reverse and pin him before he was clear of the door. If you reacted at all.
I drive a 3 tonne S Class - reversing into anything else is at worst going to cave in my boot ; it will wipe out pretty much any other car ; I don't care about the monetary value . My doors will be locked ; they'd have to break through both panes of my double glazing ; they'd be dead if they endangered my children ; to hell with any consequences .My car would still run , no matter what piece of crap they were driving .
I agree I also would of backed right into his door. Shocking.
100% - I'd of been right into that fella, bit of wheelspin out of distress too
Granted hindsight is 20/20 knowing they abandoned it once they saw kids but I feel backing into the driver could have caused the passenger with the weapon to start using lethal force.
I don’t have a dash cam so I wouldn’t as it’s a lease car and I’d get charged, if I had a cam I would definitely ram them
I’d fear that if you escalated it by pinning the driver in reverse, they would have panicked and could have done something stupid, like breaking your windows and assaulting you in retaliation.
@@jacobfoster6773 Thats who I might have reversed into.
It's all relative. Nobody knows at all what they would do. His view as the victim/driver was not the same as our perspective
That’s actually terrifying
I literally live near that area its in bloody Birmingham
Im surprised of such a thing to happen in UK, not Brazil or etc
@@popindosin228 its England, this shit happens all the time lol
Glad my car was stolen when I wasn't in it. Actually did me a favour as I hated my Golf it was too small was only 2 weeks old but was thinking of trading it in.
If you think someone is following you, take 4 left/right turns (drive in a circle), the chances of someone else doing this at random is astronomical.
Also, if you think someone is following, dont drive home, drive around and phone the police
Good advice, I was just thinking that watching the clip
How would you do this if you have a basic car? My car has an ai and infotainment system. But my last one only had bluetooth.
@@hybridangel3403 Mute the radio and shout "OK Google, phone 999"
@@hybridangel3403 the police won't fine you for calling them in an emergency like this. But if you do this try to stay moving and dial when it is relatively safe to look at your phone and put it on speaker. Or ask someone else in the car to dial for you
@@hybridangel3403 You are legally allowed to call the police on a mobile in such a situation. Reporting the commission of a crime where it would be dangerous to stop is within the law and fearing for your safety is definitely within that definition.
This is from the gov.uk website: *"When you can use a hand-held phone* You can use a hand-held phone if either of these apply: you’re safely parked; you need to call 999 or 112 in an emergency and it’s unsafe or impractical to stop"
I had a similar situation many years ago. I too thought it was a road rage incident, because I pulled out of a blind turn, to find a car was fast approaching (over the limit), from my right. I turned off my route, and took a few turns to see if they were following me. I could see that they ere a couple of skinheads, so I was a little anxious at this point. Unfortunately I turned into a cul-de-sac. As I was turning around, they parked their car across the road, blocking my exit, so I drove up on the pavement to get away. One of the skinheads tried to run onto the footpath to stop me, but fortunately I got away.
I must say that I’m glad that my current car has auto door locking. I know that many people don’t like it, but I think it’s invaluable in situations like this.
Are you sure they were Skinheads? Maybe they were emigrants from Africa?
@@gwidonpopielski2885 They were Caucasian.
@@British99 Who is teaching you this propaganda against whites? Is your teacher blue haired and obese with plenty of tattoos?
@@British99 They didn't act like Caucasians.
Personal protection drivers always try to keep the vehicle moving, so keep to main roads, towards busier areas with many witnesses, and towards a police station if known. Call the police, keep a commentary, or actions and location. Use roundabouts to u-turn, back towards busy areas. Try not to get caught in a tight spot.
Thank you. Sensible, unsensational advice.
@@PedroConejo1939 absolutely, constant observation, keep moving.
@WolfenGod82 In that case, the assailants would also likely be armed, and while you shoot one, the others will shoot you. Might be better without firearms, and use the car as a weapon.
@WolfenGod82 Yep, all the thousands of additional murders, maiming and accidental shootings every year would be well worth it to prevent this very rare crime. Good thinking Batman.
@WolfenGod82 I usually try to be more tactful than this but please, stop talking such bollocks. If you feel the need to carry a firearm in Britain, you're the one living in fear, not me.
Well done Ashley & Wayne for making this available and putting it on your channel.
A friend of mine bought a van and he started doing deliveries for a big company (won't go into details). As he was doing deliveries in Birmingham, on a very populated street, the thieves had been following him with a car, very patiently waited for him to stop to make the next delivery, got out of their car as soon as he got out of his van, took everything from him and left with his van as well. Not sure if it was worth it for them, but he didn't try resisting as everything was insured. The moral of the story is, if you can't escape/didn't notice you're being followed, don't try to be brave, because you will always be outnumbered and you never know if they will pull out a knife, machete or even a gun on you - it is not worth it!
I mean to be fair even if you only have third party insurance this is still the better plan. It might hurt to replace a vehicle but replacing yourself well that isn't a thing period.
I always drive with my doors locked after many years ago late one night there was a man standing in the road causing me to slow down. I was only driving an older fiesta so nothing flash. As I slowed he came around to the drivers window and asked me if I wanted to buy some weed. Then his accomplice that had been hiding behind a parked car had come round to the passenger door while I had been distracted and tried to open the door. Thankfully it was locked and now I was alerted to this guy trying to get into the car. I just floored it and got away from that situation as fast as possible but it made me realise how vulnerable we can be in our cars.
My brother works in a prison and is always paranoid about anyone following him, particularly when he is travelling home from work. Whenever he feels like there is a car following him or something suspicious has caught his attention he will take alternate routes which come back on himself or even stay on roundabouts going all the way around multiple times and see if they follow him and doesn't go back on his route home until he is sure it is all clear and nobody is around.
I think the driver in this instance, assuming they know the area, should have driven to the nearest police station or an army base if there was any nearby. It must be scary though, especially with children in the car and in an area where you could be forced to stop at traffic lights or something before you get to the police.
Glad the person who sent in the video was safe.
I work for emergency services and do the same ; only once had suspicions and called control room ( direct number in my phone ) three police cars converged within 5 minutes ; driver had no insurance ( pure fluke ) and had his car impounded .
I was paranoid too after owning a nice car in a sketchy area. On my way home I would often drive past the cul-de-sac I lived on and drive a loop around the block. It only added 2 minutes to my journey but it made sure nobody was following me to my address.
why th would he go to an army base lmaoo its not an insurgency
@@HtheKing because there is almost always guards posted at an army base. And if you are about to be attacked you would want to go to somewhere with some security.
“excuse me private, the lads in the car behind are trying to carjack me and I have kids”.
I imagine the lads in the car would find themselves staring down a gun barrel pretty damned quick..
The main mistake Wayne made there was pulling up in a place where it was easy for the scumbags to block him in, If you are suspicious of a following car, whether that be road rage or potential hi-jack/robbery pull over on an open road. If they stop behind you and pile out drive on, if they stop in front of you... reverse, U turn.
I don’t think anyone really knows how they’d act until they’ve been in that position - easy to say what you’d do but when it’s time to do it it’s trickier. Sticking to main roads is the best idea I think: public places where they know they’d be seen probably would be for the best. If you do end up stuck then you sort of have to do what they want you to: your safety is more important than the car especially if the insurance will cover it. Although if kids were involved I suspect people will act a lot differently!
This is why we prepare in advance. This is why the wise passenger pays attention to airline safety briefings - it can save your life. When driving, know how to determine that you are being followed and know the most effective way to get help quickly. Unless you are a particularly high profile target for some particularly fanatical types, a lot of crims will just give up if they know you're on to them and especially if they see you using the phone.
My cars are of little monetary value ; my children are everything - I would go to jail to protect them and anyone threatening them risks death .
I've run a roadrager over. I would not hesitate to splatter anyone up their own car for this.. The secret is, always expect trouble, remain calm, keep your eye on the target, act quickly, don't hesitate and get the hell away quickly.. a case of mistaken identity can be talked out of later but your kids life is more important than your car.
It’s for this reason that I always get in the car then lock it. I’ve also got two dashcams in the car.
It's good advice and should be followed, but they'll try and smash their way in.
@@dadamj in the time it takes for them to smash their way in hopefully you have run 1 or 2 over.
@@A.Martin Yes, once you have taken a few out they will want to escape
@@A.Martin It takes seconds to use ninja rocks...
Auto locking is an option on most cars . If being attacked reverse had into their car ( will disable it , not yours ) then drive off fast
I'm on your side mate, as soon as I saw them jump out with weapons and if my kids were in my car, it's going into reverse and I'm flattening the driver, and I wouldn't lose a wink of sleep over it.
"WE'RE GOING TO STEAL YOUR CAR"
**notices kids in car**
"Understandable have a great day"
Lol
What I learnt from this video: find a kid, any kid, keep it in your car to avoid being hijacked
Been in a similar situation myself. Luckily I was in my home town so I was able to make my destination my nearest supermarket. A busy car park with plenty of witnesses. I called my mum as I was driving alone to make sure that she could note the details of the car that was following me.
They soon disappeared after I pulled into the car park. A few days later that same car in question was involved in a police chase and ended up crashing into a pub that was hosting an outdoor live music event with adults and children present. Not sure on the outcome of their arrest but I bet they probably just got a slap on the wrist...
Glad you avoided harm , but please remember the back end of cars will take a lot more damage than the fronts ( watch demolition derby ) if you smash their radiator your boot will be dented in but they will be unable to follow more than a few miles ; rear end collision won't hurt your children , but it will stop pursuers . If they are after your car , once it is smashed it will be of no value to them . my children are my life and I will kill to protect them
I've been in a road rage situation where I was followed like this - I had been tailgated when side-by-side with a convoy of half a dozen lorries on the A27, doing the limit, and they had obviously taken upset at me for not speeding up for them to get out of the way. When I eventually pulled across, they pulled across to and kept behind me so I knew instantly that this was not normal. I slowed to 60 and they slowed too, I dropped to 50 and they dropped to. As I drove in towards Arundel there was a large roundabout, no lights, so I got on it and just kept going round. I knew they would either have to overtake me and I would then divert off the next exit behind them, or they'd keep with me and I would have unblockable access to keep driving whilst I waited for the police. My wife called the police but the car drove off after about the 20th lap or so before the cops got there. I was lucky to have the idea quickly that I needed to find a place I wouldn't be stopped by lights or traffic, and it was late at night, so the roads were very quiet and I wasn't going to annoy anybody by doing laps. Didn't need to break any laws, it kept us safe and nobody got hurt.
A couple of times I spotted what I thought was a car following me while I was driving home. So I didn't drive to my house and kept going elsewhere, taking a circuitous route. Thankfully both incidents turned out to be false alarms.
"And I don't know whether it would be considered excessive force."
m8 there are kids in the car, NOTHING is excessive force.
Unfortunately in the uk they treat using a car as a physical weapon like a gun and you can be prosecuted for it (dashcam would save you here)
@@leexgx you think I wouldn't go to jail to protect my kids?
@@Asdayasman unfortunately in the uk the criminals have more rights then you when defending your self
@@leexgx they can have all the rights they want, it won't bring them back to life or restore the use of their limbs.
@@Asdayasman If I had kids I could probably kill to protect them, but on second thought in this country I'd end up in jail surrounded with the same type of people I killed while protecting my kids while they grow up without a father.
Spidey senses would have been triggered early by the erratic driving, I would have (and have done so myself in the past) driven to say one of the Mersey tunnels or something that requires a toll, they would have been to skint to pay, or a cctv area hospital for example.
Haha sorry that made me laugh. Too skint to pay the toll 😂 thieves think they're hard but they don't realise that, to everyone else, they're just poor and brave
@@AAARREUUUGHHHH More like poor and stupid
Brilliant idea about going to a tunnel or bridge with toll.
@@AAARREUUUGHHHH stolen cars worth tens of thousands are being exported its not peanuts
@@AAARREUUUGHHHH No-one thinks they are brave, they are cowardly little chavs.
Cheers, got some great tips on how to avoid this if it happens to me.
Take multiple left or right turns in a repeating circle to establish that they are definitely following you.
Keep driving into a highly populated area where you can receive help, or deter the thieves.
but most importantly, if things are becoming suspicious, CALL THE POLICE!
When we are on our way home I am always watching who is behind and more importantly, how long they have been there as well, in terms of are we being followed. I’ve even then had a car follow me for ages and then up our road at which point I go straight around a second road and carry on so nowhere near home. With the car I have I am all too aware of this possibility and for over 20 years have driven with locked doors anyway. BUT in this instance, if I had any thoughts of what may happen I would never stop driving and if anything I would head for clearer roads with less chance of having to stop, or get blocked in and then be calling the cops. Just keep driving no matter what. I don’t think quickly enough under this kind of stress but the time to reverse would have been to stop the driver opening his door at all, before he even got chance to get out. That’s the time to reverse back.
I'd wait until the threat was indisputable then disable their car ; I wouldn't reverse at a person , but disabling another car won't carry a heavy penalty if you have made a mistake
One of the many reasons I lock my doors when I first start the car, have a dash cam and a gps module. The amount of people who try a door handle when sat in traffic... Hence why I also leave a gap infront of me. The other issue, my local police station was closed some time ago, it would take me about 20/25 minutes to get the next nearest one assuming for some reason I couldn't dial 999.
tyres and tarmac -have you never heard the expression ?
Sorry, how many people try a door handle when sat in traffic..?
This happened to me, albeit while driving in another country. I noticed a car was following me because I was lost and went around two blocks a couple times each trying to figure out how to get onto a road in a specific direction.
I was in the very dodgy part of the city, having turned off the main road at the wrong time. I was trying to find a place to stop and check the satnav. At some point, I stopped at a stop sign and I saw a door open and immediately close as I started moving again. At that point I started driving down the middle of the street to block off any possibility of them overtaking and blocking me while also driving slightly slower than normal to give myself thinking/reaction time. At this point I made sure to engage the central lock and check all windows are up, they can probably break them and reach the interior handles but why let them have access...
I started trying to get back onto the main road as quickly as possible thinking there was a lower chance of them trying anything as the road was busy. It was very hard to find a junction that led back onto that main road from that area (why I was lost in the first place) and once I did there was a light to go through. As I slowed down and crept up at the light I saw the car behind me creeping up, almost touching the back of mine, with all doors but the driver's being held ajar and ready to go. It was a split second decision to stop hard and let them bump into my back and come out of the car. I could see a gap in the traffic and was going to go for it.
After failing to stop without bumping me, the come out of the car and run towards me, they got to try the handles on the rear doors and the passenger's side front. As they're doing this I notice a police car chillin' across the main road a block down, in front of coffee shop, the traffic has a big gap because a light upstream has gone red and I just go for it. I ran the red and noticed the police had already noticed me because they were pointing at me so I go straight for them. The guys ran after me for a couple metres then back to their car and actually came after me on the main road (must've not noticed the police. The police car was about 60m down the road with two officers and there were two more motorbikes with two officers each. I saw them scramble as I passed them.
I had about 300-400m of empty road in front of me to get to the next set of lights with just a couple cars waiting at the red. I heard the sirens and as soon I saw the police on my side mirrors the would-be carjackers broke off to the right (this was in a LHD country) and try to duck into the side streets. They couldn't get through the cars stopped at the red and got surrounded by the police.
As the light turned green I started moving with the rest of the traffic and making my way over to lane 1 from 3 to pull over with my hazards and wait for the police who would likely want a statement.
They later told me I got very lucky as those guys turned out to be a gang of carjackers with a habit of stabbing drivers in the gut in the process of carjacking them. It took three days to get a proper night's sleep after that, adrenaline is a powerful thing.
That gave me a chill that went right down my spine. I guess it takes ages to get over something like that and I'm glad the fortunes were smiling on you.
I'm just so very glad that you're okay. This was very uncomfortable to read 😢
Great blog. I've been driving more years than I like to remember, and gave up driving a 7.5 lorry, because of the amount of car drivers that are "Space invaders" I seen only one potential car high jacking (failed).
Yes would reversed onto the drivers door as he stood up out of the car.
Always preemptive strike always.
I think this highlights a very good point. Living in SA this is a daily occurrence as crime is seriously out of control, and as such many people here take defensive driving courses. I personally would not have entered an area that I didn't know. I also would not have stopped to turn around. Having been in this situation, I instructed my wife to set the sat nav for the nearest police station, I then asked her to call the police while I focused all my attention on staying mobile and not giving them an opportunity to pin us in anywhere. As soon as we got close to the police station the car tailing us peeled off in the opposite direction. I would not have had the presence of mind to do this had I not undergone the defensive driver training course.
Reverse into the drivers door to pin him to the spot? Not reversing hard enough. For someone trying to hijack a car you need to reverse hard and fast enough to have the door crush his chest, leaving him with a permanent disability.
Im fortunate enough to have received counter-terror and crime training as part of my job. Few pointers - if you are being followed, or suspect you are being followed, run a few loops on very public roads, or circle a roundabout a couple of times to confirm you are being followed. If you are grab the phone and get on to the police and start driving straight to the nearest station. If you do end up getting stopped and they want the vehicle you're in - just give them the vehicle, your life is worth more than a lump of metal and plastic.
oh and a side note on that: always drive with your doors locked, even if you're just stopped at traffic lights and a local teen is bored and wants to joyride your car, the lock is basically your first defense.
Thanks for the sender. I agree that being alone, maybe handing over is an option. Also, calling the police asap and reporting would be necessary. However, for prevention purposes, maybe closing all doors and putting up a protective film on the driver side and passenger side window is a good pre-emptive move. Stay safe Ashley and everyone.
As soon as I’d have seen the weapon I’d have slapped it in reverse, being in the moment it’s easy to say how you’d act. Hopefully nobody is in that situation to have to react. Hindsight is always 20/20. But it’s a good lesson for the viewers.
i think there are two different responses shock and fear to the point of doing nothing or panic and adrenaline and doing something drastic , either way not a nice situation to be in
The problem in recognising this may be about to happen is that it is (Thankfully) so rare in the UK although by all accounts increasing. A friend told me about this happening to his son recently on the way to work in leafy Northumberland! Another friend's brother lives and works in Brazil and there you really need to be on your guard as it happens all of the time and there are always guns involved. Many people just ignore red lights in cities as this is the most likely spot for it to happen.
It was pretty stupid to stop in a way that gave rise to the possibility of being blocked in. Best to try and loose them whilst phoning the police.
Note to self, always lock doors
I would of had very soiled pants and maybe use the horn
Most modern cars have an auto lock feature once you drive off they lock, I’d urge everyone to have it on
@@kravez16 I have a 2003 fiat punto, does it have this
@@Haybalemelonhead Normally when someone says Modern I’d say within Afew years nothing more than 5yrs so I doubt it but who knows ? Lol
@@Haybalemelonhead No the MK2 punto won't have it. I had a 55-reg one up until recently and that didn't have it either.
I've now got a MK7 Ford Fiesta, 2012 reg, and that also doesn't have that feature unfortunately.
@@Haybalemelonhead my 2006 punto did have this feature in the menu options. May have been a next model thing but some old cars do have a lock button which locks all doors from the inside. If not then i'm unsure.
I always get suspicious of any car which follows me for a long period of time. As a young driver it is something new to learn about and know when this situation is going to occur.
5:06 I would have instinctively reversed into them at this point. I was actually expecting that when I saw this clip, and I don't think any jury in the country would fault someone for trying to get away from attackers using any means necessary.
Let's just take a moment to appreciate how at 4:08 the only cars in frame are BMWs
I would say the reason they didnt go on was because with kids in the car, they knew the adults would fight to the death to protect them. It wasnt a moral thing for them, it was about ease of the theft. Adults will die for children, especially their own. Not to mention child abduction charges can get you put on a kill list in prison.
Im with you Ashley. Drove a cab in a Navy town and we could be targets for robbery and I would have reversed into driver as he got out. The front passenger appeared to be carrying a firearm!
I don't see how that helps. The front passenger has the firearm, so you disable one of the attackers, now four remaining, not disabled, one known to be armed. Your car maybe stuck in a position you can't move from, so now you're stuck with the armed man who might be a lot more aggressive now you've injured his mate. That seems a much worse position than before reversing into the driver.
Instinct? Hard reverse into the drivers side door as soon as I spotted the guy with something in his hand, problem with that is they'll probably use lethal force as revenge.
But I'd probably have driven straight to the nearest police station avoiding any lights possible (running a red if needed).
That said I would have driven around a route a few times to confirm any suspicions.
It is horrible for fate to ever put you in situations like this as of no fault of your own. Unless you can outsmart or get away, you literally have to step up sacrificing your life for your family or going to prison for manslaughter to save your family. If the police have been called, you are probably likely to be able to claim self-defence, but the alternative is being weak where your family is harmed or killed. I would hate to be in this situation especially as a family unit.
I would have done two rolling U turns, if they follow you through both then it's obvious they're following you.
If this is the case just divert to the nearest police station
That situation disgusts me. Something similar happened to me in Spain. 2 men ran up the footpath from behind as I parked up. I sat in the car expecting them to past, but instead they ran to the rear of the car, opened the boot and grabbed our luggage. I gave chase on foot, but they had a third person waiting in a car at the end of the street. Despite getting the reg I never heard anything back from the Spanish police. I know we weren't followed from the airport and suspect they had an accomplice at the car hire company who gave them our details.
I'd try keep the car moving and call the police.
I'd like to say I wouldn't of put myself in the situation of being blocked in like that but hindsight is 2020. If I were blocked in and by myself I'd just let them take the car and if I had kids then I'd be ramming my way out of there.
exactly
A point i would raise is if your car is fitted with a sat nav, never put in your home address into the sat nav if you do ,they steal your car with the keys, set the sat nav to home they rob your house as well, set the sat nav to town centre you must know the way home from there.Like others have pointed out head for a main road, petrol station or even police/ fire station.
Due to circumstances I'm not going to go into .I have been threatened in the past and followed even had my ambulance shot at ! The police advice was very simple if you know area drive to nearest police station or somewhere very public avoid back roads if possible. Be aware of who is around you at all times keep doors locked .and another piece of advice if you think you are being followed take the next four MAIN left turns so therefore going around in a circle that way if the car behind does the same you know you are being followed . We did also have the nightmare of a van full of dogs get stolen someone jumped in and drove off with them .fortunately they were let free a few miles away and stayed together and the local people kept them safe till we could recover them .but that was a NIGHTMARE .
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@@seemorebeer2848 WTF, you're a twat
@@seemorebeer2848 I'll have what your drinking! Tomorrow though. Tea tonight.
Do you mean a police HQ? With so many police desks closed, unless you are able to dial 999 and give them a heads up, being at a police station may not phase many criminals. In this case with 5 people, the driver will await an escape, the other 4 get out to take the vehicle, and likely to be gone in 30 seconds before any police could do anything.
Unless you have a camera filming the police station, in which case police will come out to see what you are doing!
@@justanotherviewer4821 i agree dailing 999 would be a very good idea i was just repeating what advise the police themselves gave us .
Someone once tried to carjack me, it was quite a strange experience.
I was driving along a standard road the usual 30MPH limit which was rather quiet it was during the first year of lockdown and this man started walking into the road in front of me carrying a rather large rock on his shoulder, easily big enough to damage my car or break some glass.
I stopped, for two reasons, 1/I didn't want to run him over, he could have very easily stepped in front of me, 2/I didn't want him to throw the rock onto my car, I gestured to him to stop what he was doing which luckily convinced him to drop the rock on the floor, after all, he had achieved what he was looking for by my stopping at which point I shouted out of my window all closed and all doors locked "what's up" he then proceeded to try and open the driver side door and when that was locked he moved to try and open the offside rear at this point I realized without a doubt that his intentions were nefarious as previous I wondered if this was just a person in distress. My action was then to simply drive off.
This left me slightly shaken and concerned, my task at the time was the one time I ventured out of my hour to do some essential food shopping and that happened to me.
I contemplated reporting it to the police but thought the description I have of the man was quite vague as I had a whole situation to contend with at the time rather than just taking details about his person, I decided to do my food shipping and just go about my require routine.
If I had video evidence I think I would have driven to the nearest police station and reported it, but without an image of the assailant and only a vague description I didn't see much point, after all, there was a housing estate nearby which the person could very easily disappear into within minutes so even if the police had responded instantly chances if finding the person would have been slim.
Two valuable lessons I learned that day, 1, keep the windows up in uncertain circumstances, 2, keep the doors locked.
After watching this video I realize also, keeping moving even at a slow pace makes the hijacking more difficult, and the fear of your own safety bumping into the person at low speeds can be considered as self-defense.
I was followed last Friday after work, it was 2pm, he was in the middle of the road behind me, after some traffic light and turns I decided to pullover so he could pass, he pulled up behind me and sat in his car, after 1 min I pulled off and started heading to the police station but he vanished before I got there, my heart was pounding
I think it is very hard what you would do, when it is happening.
Organized crime can not exist without close cooperation with law enforcement, it is from this cooperation that they get their power and endurance. Odds are good that the local bobbies know exactly who works that area, and they have an agreed monthly fee for the service.
If I suspected that someone was following me. I would then take turns that I wouldn't normally take just to see if they follow my every move, or even go round in circles round a block. then I might have called the police
I would have done the same as you, Ashley. In fact, I have under similar circumstances. Driving a 7.5 ton many years ago, a smart Merc swerved in front of me and stopped and a guy got out with a hammer.
Without a pause, I took off, smashing the Merc out of the way and drove off. I stopped at the nearest Police Station I could find. I didn't want to get out so I sat on the horn until someone came out to see what the racket was about. Luckily they didn't follow me. Hopefully, the Merc was disabled. I was told I had acted in fear of my life and that what I did was reasonable defence and that they were not going to take action against me. I gave them all my details. The Merc turned out to be pinched.
It was nothing to do with morals Ash. Crimes like this need to be fast. The kids in the car would slow them down and increase the chance of the police actually doing something about it.
Definitely wouldn't have stopped somewhere without an escape route!
Wow scary! I’ve often thought bout being followed and always think I’ll drive to a police station or hospital or somewhere hideously public supermarket car park maybe? Head for a motorway? and sound my horn etc but at the time I’m sure this would all go out the window with panic.
@James Stewart i just meant honk horn as a means of a deterrent perhaps where i was stationary such as a public place.... I obviously didn’t mean honking horn as i was driving down the motorway. I was merely thinking and listing alternative places to go. Phoning the police goes without saying if i could do it safely, although in most circumstances, i dont see how they would have got there quick enough as in the scenario above....
@@suzannebradbury I also think the motorway could be a good idea, depending on the time of day and status of your fuel tank. 3-4 open lanes of traffic and driving at 70+ mph they can't get at you unless they're willing to put themselves in danger and destroy the car they're trying to steal in the process. And, if things are really desperate and you're in fear for your life, and depending on the differences in cars, a chance to outrun them, though if they're using "getaway" style cars they'll probably be as quick/quicker unless you're driving something that can do more than 155.
just phone the police and keep on the move
If you genuinely think someone is following you, drive to a police station, ideally with a car park and park right next to the entrance of the police station. Alternatives are to drive to the emergency intake of a hospital (don't block anything though!) or a fire station. Even an MOT station or a large car dealership with mechanics will do (provided it's trading hours of course). Whilst that doesn't guarantee your 100% safety almost everyone with bad intentions is going to reconsider you as a target at that point because the risk to them is enormous.
Many years ago I was victim of an attempted hi-jacking of a brand new Ford mondeo..it was evening time and I became suspicious of 2 cars following me.
I was in a notoriously sketchy area of Sheffield (burngreave) and had driven the area many times before At the time I lived about 5 miles away from this area.the 2 cars tried to box me in while I was stood at a red traffic light. 1 blocked me at the front and one at the side of me. The occupants of the car at the side of me were shouting for me to get out the car and leave the keys.. A black cab ( not involved) was approaching me from the rear but I able to escape at speed in reverse before I was boxed in.. I performed a reverse 180° spin and was able to make good my escape back the way I had come..
I didn’t really think about what Was happening it at the time but afterwards i was shaking probably with Adrenalin...
A brand new Ford Mondeo - nice!
@ yup...
@@jvoric nice
The fence printing was really cool
Defo would have reversed into the car
But I wouldn’t have gone into such small streets with so few routes to change directions - even if I thought it was road rage
This is why it’s crucial to stay aware and keep your doors locked at all times, most crucially when you’re alone
The only time anything remotely like that happened with me (in the late 90's), I got suspicious near my home, and essentially drove in a loop between 3 junctions (traffic lights>roundabout>T junction>back to the traffic lights). I did this 3 times with the same car following, and the 4th time we got to the lights, the other car went the opposite way (back the way we had originally approached from on my way home).
I do think that, in my case, it was a plain police car watching me though (I was 17/18 at the time).
Dash camera recorders and a need and a perfect way to prove proof of evidence if you got into a situation like this writing a story about it honestly no one will care but seeing it happen weather its in person or online is a perfect example and I really appreciate the great job you did with the 12 things you can do to possibly prevent a car jaking clip was amazing and honestly in my opinion perfect I am loving your videos and hopefully you will get more videos like this posted
After 20 years of driving in London and having to visit all parts of it I'm prepared for most things and have totally legal ways of protecting myself.
Such as?
@@NubletPie278 I would love to tell you but I'm thinking of doing a video because it's easier to show you than to tell you.
are you spiderman?
@@jameskid81 No, he's Liam Neeson obviously.
Getting to be a very interesting channel full of surprises, never seen that clip before you would think it would go viral.
With the increase risk of terrorism, it would be hard to tell whether it is a hijacking or terrorists armed to kill. Protect yourself and use your car as a weapon to scare and injure them.
lol moron
Terrorists arent going to fond some random guy in Liverpool to take his car. There are bigger targets. I mean you can walk into a train station easily and cause WAY more damage and loss of life by targeting the Liverpool rail network.
He drives a BMW they're obviously after the expensive car they can sell for parts on ebay (only a real idiot sells a whole car after stealing it)
How about the Nice attacks of 2016?, Berlin Xmas market truck attack 2016? There are numerous Islamic terror attacks where vehicles were hijacked
@@Feedthegoat wow ur so dumb
Am I wrong??
If some little shit tries to hijack my £300 Volvo, they’re welcome to it, in fact, please, somebody take it?!?!
Hard reverse & don’t think about it crush the little pricks
if someone is driving behind me, and take the same turns as me, i always keep an eye on the car.
this is not happening in norway that much but always keep an eye out!
Being in that country, I think pinning might be the best move to make, as they wouldn't be able to get away (I used to deliver for a pizza joint and was a victim of 5 robberies, only 2 were successful, so I got a feel for followers). However, here in the states, my instincts are a bit different....the moment I see doors open and a gang fall out with masks and weapons, that's when I've already got my gun in hand and pinned to the chest and telling the kids to close their eyes and cover their ears. Let's just say, I don't think any of them would be wasting taxpayer money when I'm done. Criminals get no quarter with me when it comes to my family, just saying.
If you think someone is following you and you are worried a good one is drive to the nearest police station, I used to be a London taxi driver and I did it a couple of times and it worked out well for me.
I remember being followed once, not hijacking but a think it was an attempt at road rage
I was driving a van doing street cleansing work for London borough of Newham and stopped in the middle of the road to pick up a fly tip obstructing the road and following drivers didn't like it
This particular driver decided to follow me to "have a word", so I drove around the block, and I went round the same block again, and stopped, opened the door and looked at the following driver. - he realised I had sussed his game and it was enough to make him see sense, drive off and the incident blew over
I told my supervisor about the incident, it was written in a book for reference, but that was the end of it
Call Police on any phone. Passenger could have possibly done this. Let them know where you are at al times. Possibly use Horn with Morse code whilst driving 3 shorts, 3 longs, and 3 more shorts in a busy area. Also put hazard, and headlights on possibly full beam. Anything to attract attention to one's self. Any un marked police car would then use blue lights to pull you over, then explain reasons for your driving.
When I was younger a number of people I hung around with had been involved in late night incidents in their cars, so I was always a little careful about what is behind me and would change my route if I thought there was someone following.
I've had one, what I thought to be, attempted car jacking. Driving home past a park on my estate I got flagged down, as I slowed I saw a metallic object in the guys right hand and another guy started approaching from the rear. I'd already hit the central locking as I slowed and lowered the window a bit to talk to the first guy. My solution was to put it in reverse and gun the throttle at which time they ran off. The reasoning in going backwards rather than forwards is that it leaves the option to go forwards with a better run up of clear road, also my car is a heavy front wheel drive SUV-type, forwards will spin, reversed will just dig in and move.
In the video, I don't think the driver did himself any favours by appearing to rollback closer to the car that had parked behind him, better to leave a sizeable gap so you have room to accelerate if needed. As soon as the car pulled up and the guys got out central locking should have been on. Normally, guys getting out of the car in masks and approaching would have been enough to warrant running them over but in the current climate you need to be a little more accommodating. I doubt the driver could see the weapon right at the start, but edging forward as far as possible and then putting it into reverse ready to go if it kicks off should have been the plan. The moment anyone swings or looks like they are about to swing full power to reverse.
From discussions with police officers a guy with no history and with his kids in the car should have no problem with the police if you can genuinely claim you feared for your family, and even if you did, the chance of a jury conviction would be pretty low so long as you don't drive over the injured afterwards.
Scary AF. I don't think I'd have been able to reverse into someone, but you can't say never since you don0t really know in extreme scenarios like that. Probably the best advice is to stop in a place where theres an easy scape, either by backing up or just going forward, and if you can at a 'big' street where more cars and bystanders are around
Everything is easy in hindsight it’s difficult to tell in the cold light of day but like the idea of pinning the scum bag in the door!
I drive an old worthless car at present but have in the past had cars worth pinching.
I've only once thought I was being followed, I did a complete circle at an appropriate roundabout and the car didn't follow so all was well, I still think I was being followed but they realised they had been sussed.
The terms "reasonable force" and "excessive force" are unfortunately terms used after the event, the force I would use at the time of the event and if I had, for instance my son with me, would be whatever force was necessary to stop the event and let the court system discuss the matter in cosy rooms afterwards.
@James Stewart Absolutely
In the UK, especially London, the police can't even stop people from stealing bikes when they see it happening, what are they gonna do with 5 people trying to hijack a car?
But if they were armed and used weapons everyone would just get mad.
I always have an escape route planned. I remember I pulled out of a bowling alley and about 30s later a car was on my tail. I didn't cut them off and I didn't do anything wrong, I was sitting on the speed limit. I drove 15min to the nearest police station I knew of and dialed 000 (Australian emergency). Eventually they figured out where I was driving and stopped following me. I drove 8min past where I lived as I live in a dead end street.
The fact they were targeting a similar looking car to the one they already had already stolen cannot be a coincidence.
Perhaps someone could explain the thinking behind what they were trying to do.
Cut and shut?
Cut and shut, as mentioned, or maybe some sort of cloning process.
It's probably a car they have experience working on when it comes to hiding it's identity and or stripping it apart.
Cars are worth more as parts than as a whole. The 2 cars are probably 135 or 140 models , very lucrative enterprise stripping for parts or in containers and shipped out of the country.
I inspect damaged vehicles for insurance companies and a cut and shut involves welding two damaged vehicles together so it's not that. This is much more likely to be an attempt to steal a specific vehicle 'to order'
This is why I love my Toyota avensis, its got automatic lock that lock all the doors after you reach 20mph. It may not stop hijackers but definitely slow the down and give you more reaction time
I'm not sure what I'd do in this situation but you've got to be careful of ramming the car, not just for it being seen as excessive force but it might cut your fuel pump and your car is then disabled.
A car blocks your route of escape. Men jump out of a car and head towards you.
With a weapon that looked like a gun being held by someone now walking even closer towards you, ramming them would not be considered excessive - even if the worse happened.
@@CommodoreVic20 the problem is if you have managed to set off your air bags in some cars it might also activate the fuel cut off,, old cars it was based on impact force and had a mechanical button you could press somewhere so you can reset it, but on new cars its built into the ecu witch just electronically prevents The pump From Operating (typically after the airbags have been deployed or inertia G-Force sensors have detected a significant impact)
@@leexgx interesting points
@@leexgx Well there's yet another example of modern "smart" technology actually being stupid in certain situations
@@NubletPie278 having fuel still pumping after a crash is not good and it been disabled is far safer then having another source for the fire to get fuel
it does usually require an significant crash to activate the fuel cut off but most high speed frontal impacts that has tripped the airbags in an level 2+ state (stronger airbag deployment due to higher impact detected) will trigger the cut off
if its mechanical fuel pump cut off button it be above 20mph g-force type impact to make pop off
Yes I think if you do stop you need to make sure you can set off again quickly. It looks in this case he turned into an entrance that had no escape. Better to stop on left hand side of road, with no vehicles in front of you so that you can accelerate away quickly if necessary, as was clearly the case here with them getting out of the car armed.
Left the UK ten years ago because of what I saw happening, and things like this don't make me regret my decision.
You made the right decision, uk is down the gutter
Before covid. I was abroad quite a lot. What struck me the most about the places I visited was the lack of chavs and how nice it is.
If I could speak the language fluently and had the savings, I’d happily leave the UK tomorrow.
Wow, that's quite a clip. Thank you to you and the viewer for sharing. Interesting comments - very much looking forward to hearing your thoughts Ashley in the follow up video on how to avoid / what to do. Makes me think I should get a rear facing dashcam!
I think/hope what I'd do if confronted with such a situation is try to get away from the bandit car without hitting anything or anyone or putting innocent parties in danger. Easier said than done.
Re. pinning the driver to the door - good thought and tempting, but it would potentially only immobilise the driver and you're still boxed in by the bandit car. As it wouldn't immobilise the others, including the fine upstanding citizen with the weapon, you then have four angry, volatile and possibly armed bandits still to deal with. Unless they run off scared, which is possible (though not guaranteed).
The footage from across the road suggests there might have just about been space for the cammer to reverse out. If I couldn't get out of the space without hitting anything or anyone, then waiting for the men to be clear (if possible) and ramming the car in order to force your way out of the space might be an option? Although a comment below suggests that might cut your fuel supply, and would the impact also discharge your airbags, potentially immobilising you in the car just when you need to make a quick exit? Also might damage your own car enough to make it undriveable, e.g. bumper hanging off, flat tyres.
So realistically the best option probably is to try to avoid getting to a situation where you might be trapped - keep driving and keep moving if you possibly can, keep a big gap in front and be alert for potential escape routes if you're forced to stop in traffic, turn back on yourself if you can do so without putting yourself in more danger (e.g. go all the way round a roundabout), call the police if you're still suspicious, drive to somewhere very public with CCTV, and note reg number and if there's an opportunity description of baddies. Probably in something like that order.
That the driver of the bandit car got out makes me think this bunch weren't very bright - after all if they were aiming to steal another car to add to their collection wouldn't they need to escape the scene in both? I guess adrenaline and various illicit substances might be kicking in.
Finally I'm well aware I'm writing this from the comfort of home with time for reflection. Glad your viewer and their family survived this frightening incident unscathed.
Reversing into the front of the bandit car should disable it - any car can take a lot more damage at the back end than at the front - you'd get a dented in boot - other car would , if you hit it hard enough , get a busted radiator and be unable to drive far , if at all , by not driving at any person , legal repercussions would be minimal
Pour water all over the drivers seat and tell them you'd pissed yourself.
but no, not really, but who would nick a car and sit in that?
Answers on a post card.
Handy tip if you reversed over them and suddenly doubted the legality of it. Just piss yourself in the seat. It can't weaken your case.
😅😅😅
It’s also worth remembering that a good reason he may have not reversed into their car could been exactly because he had his kids in the car.
Vehicles these days are pretty tough, sure… But there’s still a danger to deliberately driving into another vehicle - especially reversing into someone with your kids in the back seats.
This was a scary incident, for sure. I’m just glad everyone came out unscathed.
Hijackers with morals, that was lucky. Best thing to do is keep driving. If you think hes following, do a few laps of a roundabout, if hes still following, call the police! and if possible head towards a police station
Morals? It was just there was too much effort to handle the driver and kids, and if they couldn't get the kids out they'd ever have to abandon the effort or end up with a kidnapping situation. Plus more likely to get local media attention if kids are involved.
@@tokyo8236 Yeah this is my take. They weren't completely foolish at least, but I doubt it's a moral issue - just the added logistics of getting a child out, the world of pain that would descend on a kidnap vs a car theft, and the added punishment/aggravating features should they get caught.
Someone tried to jack a GTI I was test driving many years ago. Learned from that big time. Always lock yer doors. Never stop if you think you’re being followed. Keep a strategic getout space around your vehicle and be extra extra aware of your surroundings when at gas/ petrol stations. So many road ragers out there nowadays in addition to the jackers, and they don’t care if you have your kid in the car (another lesson learned)
I'm glad he's ok 🙂
A reason for cars following each other down a load of side-streets could well be GPS. I've often been part of a long chain of cars driving through smaller residential streets due to GPS diversions to avoid blocked main roads.
If I thought I was going to be attacked physically, I would have used the car against them for sure.
That's basically giving your own life up. You're gunna be fair game to those lot as soon as you initiate anything.
Update: can't you lock your car while inside it to help prevent this happening? Yes they could smash your windows but car windows are tough.
As wrong as this is to do my first action/instinct would most likely be flight. If I was trapped like that I'd attempt to reverse like you said (I'd sooner try to go forward if possible though) as well as use the horn to draw attention to myself or warn others of the incident. The best thing to do if possible is to let them have the car or valuables as they aren't worth your or your loved ones lives.
Again this is why dash cameras should be encouraged if not made compulsory to have on vehicles as they can protect you in situations like this!
Calling the police definitely helps even if you don't have the number plate as you can at least raise awareness of said criminals in the area.
How did the dash cam save them? They just didn’t attack because of the children. A hammer tool can easily smash a car window btw
@@Mickzz evidence and numberplate. That's how. Yes it wouldn't have done much help at the moment, say for being a possible deterrent. It would have been a massive help after the matter with getting their money/property back and catching the criminals in the act.
They can also help other victims as if I recall right Ashley did say the car they used was also stolen.
Edit: yes I know a hammer tool can smash windows in.
Prejudice on my part but I'm always a bit suspicious of BMWs, Audis, and Mercs. For potential bad driving / road rage incidents rather than hijacking.
It's not really prejudiced, it just so happens that you've seen more road rage incidents involving those types of cars than others. That's just sensible reasoning. That has also been the case for me.
My wife and I _think_ we might’ve been an intended target for a car jacking a few years ago. A black SUV was following us for ages, all the way tailgating and cutting other people off to stay behind us. I even ran a red light at an intersection where I could see far enough that it was safe, but they just stayed glued to my rear bumper. At first I thought it was an incident of road rage, just like the cammer here, but after not being able to shake them for multiple round-the-block turns and then the red light, I assumed it was more nefarious than that. Luckily this happened in my home town, so I knew where our police station was (and I knew many of the officers as I am a volunteer firefighter). So I took a route where I knew I could keep the car rolling at all times and finally turned into the lot for police cars behind the station - where one of the officers gave me a friendly wave and came up to my car. The SUV went straight on as if nothing happened, so I can’t be 100% sure it wasn’t just a peeved driver that I inadvertently cut or something like that, but I wasn’t taking the chance. Also, I had a lovely chat with the officer and was invited to his wife’s (a paramedic and also volunteer firefighter) birthday BBQ, so it was a win-win for me. 😂 That’s how these things are dealt with in the countryside.