I remember my dad taking my brother and i one day for a ride in this exact same car as a surprise. He took that car for a day from peugeot la garenne 92 france where he was working. The car was parked in our underground parking lot. I remember the rear view of the car with that massive rear wing taking the whole width of the parking space. I sat on my brothers lap for that ride, with the engine roaring right behind our seat. We took a bridge called viaduc gambetta which was linking courbevoie to la defense at the time.. everybody was pulling to the right to let that beast pass them and have a look a it. This memory is engraved in my mind to this day. Thank you dad. I love you.
Wow, I could only watch VHS video of Group B from Canada because there was no TV station that would broadcast it live, and those sights and sounds literally imprinted on my soul. But your Dad took you for a ride in one?!?!? OMG that would have blown my mind! You are one lucky man! Even today when I my thoughts drift, I often find myself reminiscing about the Group B days. It’s cliche to say “they don’t make them like they used to”, but… they just don’t!
all old hot hatches look great to me, from the 205s, deltas, all the way to the golfs, they all had a sleek look to them, and their size made them fun to drive. one day im gonna get me a 205 t16, and drive it to work!
1980s 1.9 liter 600 hp is different from modern 1.9 liter 600 hp. Lighter and stronger components better lubrication. However, I bet that 1980s engine must be a hand full and a half and pretty fun to drive.
@@1mawesomel1kethat Looks better, maybe, it's a Question of Taste , performs better.... NEVER ... :)) Little LION T16 E2 was Chief at Rallye-Tracks of Group B-Aera side by side AUDI S1 E2
"pure efficency" dude read that word again... Group B and petrol engines are not "efficient" They lost near 40% of its power by thermal loses... Electric engine is the most efficient, it only lost 1% by wheel friction.
Great footage, thanks for sharing😎 Its great that people are still driving these cars, the way they are meant to be driven and letting this generation experience what group b was all about.
Rally version engine of Peugeot 205 t16 evo 2 was actually producing around 450-480 bhp in 1986, but if I remember it right, the power was reduced to 400 bhp for Rally of Sweden 1986 and the weight increased to about a ton.
I had the chance to get into this same 205 Turbo 16 from Vatanen in 1987 (or 88) with a person who worked at Peugeot Talbot Sport and who was also in charge of testing the new Peugeot cars before their releases. He had an exemption to take the road with this monster, he came to a campsite near Pontoise (France) where he had his caravan and I had mine. He told me it belonged (at the time) to Jean Tod. He tuned the 205 T16 between 500hp and 600hp, we went to test it on the small country roads at around 180Km/h in certain places! A monster of power! An unforgettable memory. J'ai eu la chance de monter dans cette même 205 Turbo 16 de Vatanen en 1987 (ou 88) avec une personne qui travaillait chez Peugeot Talbot Sport et qui avait aussi en charge d'essayer les nouvelles autos Peugeot avant leurs sorties. Il a eu une dérogation pour prendre la route avec ce monstre, il est venu dans un camping proche de Pontoise (France) ou il avait sa caravane et moi la mienne. Il m'a dit qu'elle appartenait (à l'époque) à Jean Tod. Il a réglé la 205 T16 entre 500ch et 600ch, nous sommes allés l'essayer sur les petites routes de campagne à environ 180Km/h à certain endroit ! Un monstre de puissance ! Un souvenir inoubliable.
As a kid whenever I’d watch Group B with my Dad I would sing “Snap Crackle Pop, Rice Krispies!” every time we’d hear the Peugeot on overrun, it literally sounded like pouring milk on Rice Krispies!
I've got to say that the engine is the worst looking of the whole group B, but probably the most efficient. At the end, it won several championships xd
Center of mass was shifted to the right side by few %, because of that 205 was tricky and unstable into air jumps. In terms of balance it was worse than Delta S4, but S4 was sharp at landing after jumps, because of some little details of awsome suspesion
Glad to see Group B cars driven the way they are meant to and not ending up as garage queens.However,as appealing as they are,they are rally legends,but when it comes to hillclimb,there are cars that will never be outshined by Group B,despite i like both equally.When you think better,modern day hillclimb monsters are like Group b back in the day,only with more power and grip.
@@mionellessi3086 Yeah,it sure does.Sometimes i don't understand why people put down amazing hillclimb builds when there is Group B car shown in same video,even when that car is much faster.Instead of giving credit for hard work that gone into it people rather talk bad about it and praise Group b to the sky.
Ha la le volant et bien placer pour gagner a gauche qui nous permet de bien anticipé les virages à droite comme a gauche les souvent plus dur les gauche
Glorious. And sporting the banned-in-period aero side skirts too, I believe? Whilst the Quattro may have beat it on engine note, I think the T16 was the best looking Group B car.
Quattro was good, but didn't beat T16 really , you can't mess with a front-engined rallyecar against a mid-engined counterpart cause the center of gravity ... ! even in engine-note ,, the compareable acceleration from five-cylinder is weaker than four-cylinder cause revelations are rising quicker , you've shorter camshafts and crankshaft , lower masses to move and less inner friction than a five-cylinder .. !! even horsepower was nearly equal, T16 had same as Audi at least over 500 HP ! anyway , Quattro was good, specially when driven by RÖHRL !! grets from germany
Slow in tight corners, no central diff slow shifting gearbox huge turbolag, something normal in gr. B but brutaaaaaaaaal powerful and sounding waaaaaaaay better than modern wrc albeit much slower overall. Only the S1 sounds better.
@@wildthingwild2565 Agreed! All group B cars were monsters in their own right. I wish that I could have witnessed that era, sadly it ended 11 years before my birth haha.
Does anybody know, how many Pikes Peak versions were approximately made? Comments under videos say that Matti Alamäki also raced Pikes Peak version in European Rallycross events (at least in 1990). Is this the same car or not? I wonder...
This is not the same car as Alamaki raced, that would be chassis C209 if we are not mistaken 👍 But regarding the number of Pikes Peak versions built, it is super hard to reply as those cars were converted Evo 2´s which after racing on Pikes Peak were then converted into Rallycross cars in some cases, others dismantled and others reconverted into works-spec Evo 2´s.
... guess they would had pushed a little the displacement ... with 2.0 litres they would had achieved approximately ca. 700 HP + ... in less than 1000kg bodyweigh !!
Ha si dieux le veux bien que je deviennent riche comme bc j aurait celle là 205 turbo 16s evo ou pas et la r R 5 TURBO bien sur 🙏🏼😏🤲🏻🇨🇵👉☝️ des auto de rallye du seigneur ça 😊
Bof pour +600hp je ss dessus elle ne les montre vraiment pas , j'entends pas le moteur chanté ces lourd et le couple moteur ossi il est lourd on dirait presque même une petite 2l turbo rien de plus , la clio maxi de ragnotti était une 2l atmosphérique 275cv
@@killah0254 soit tu pilote soit tu conduit à toi de choisir Quand tu a un bolide pareil dans la main ces pour piloter, En plus il pilote mal Pour moi ces une balade de routine Pas la peine de tirer dans le moteur je ss d'accord avec toi Mais le pilotage et complètement nul
@@cafou974 t'as pas compris que c'était maintenant une pièce de collection du musée Peugeot. Peugeot la sort pour faire plaisir aux spectateurs. Mais si elle est crashée ben elle est perdue à moins qu'ils sortent le pognon pour la retaper.
![Pikes Peak Hill Climb 2013 - Sébastien Loeb / Peugeot 208 T16 [Onboard/Helicopter/Spectators Views]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/0RmTEXfXjQQ/mqdefault.jpg)
I remember my dad taking my brother and i one day for a ride in this exact same car as a surprise.
He took that car for a day from peugeot la garenne 92 france where he was working.
The car was parked in our underground parking lot.
I remember the rear view of the car with that massive rear wing taking the whole width of the parking space.
I sat on my brothers lap for that ride, with the engine roaring right behind our seat. We took a bridge called viaduc gambetta which was linking courbevoie to la defense at the time.. everybody was pulling to the right to let that beast pass them and have a look a it.
This memory is engraved in my mind to this day.
Thank you dad. I love you.
Wow, I could only watch VHS video of Group B from Canada because there was no TV station that would broadcast it live, and those sights and sounds literally imprinted on my soul. But your Dad took you for a ride in one?!?!? OMG that would have blown my mind! You are one lucky man! Even today when I my thoughts drift, I often find myself reminiscing about the Group B days. It’s cliche to say “they don’t make them like they used to”, but… they just don’t!
Always loved the look of the 205's and still do.
Me too i had 3 205's
... 205 is a very beautiful car ... :)
all old hot hatches look great to me, from the 205s, deltas, all the way to the golfs, they all had a sleek look to them, and their size made them fun to drive. one day im gonna get me a 205 t16, and drive it to work!
1:00 "Not bad" face
I remember this face from another video
hahhaha
Lol thinking the same
Couldn't help but laugh after seeing that
Is it a jet fighter? Is it a bullet? Is it a rocket?
No it's a 205 T16!
NO IT'S PATRICK!
2:15 look at that acceleration going uphill
awesome
Nothing that a street racer cant do it, some even do it better...
And it's way steeper than it looks on this video...
600+ hp is crazy out of 1.9 litres. And they already did that in the 80a!!!
Depending on boost, it can achieve over 700+Hp (although Turbo Lag will be absurd.... )
1980s 1.9 liter 600 hp is different from modern 1.9 liter 600 hp. Lighter and stronger components better lubrication. However, I bet that 1980s engine must be a hand full and a half and pretty fun to drive.
I think the Renault F1 engine, which was 1.4, if I’m not mistaken had around 1200 hp in qualifying trim😲😎😎
kristofevo the bmw Formel 1 Turbo reached in quali trim 1450hp
Mark S. 😎😎
Thats crazy!
These cars must’ve been a handful to drive, to say the least!
This car looks soooooo pretty. A beauty like no other gr.b
I doesn't look like it was an expensive project
... 205 T16 is very beautiful ... grets
Yeah also 037 is nice
Delta looks and performs better, this car's body looks like a big rectangle with a smaller rectangle on top
@@1mawesomel1kethat Looks better, maybe, it's a Question of Taste , performs better.... NEVER ... :))
Little LION T16 E2 was Chief at Rallye-Tracks of Group B-Aera side by side AUDI S1 E2
Peak engineering of the 80's, it was literally way ahead out of it's time
It is just a car, combusation engines didny changed in the lat 50 years with a engine that is not even produced by the brand -- marketing
I can remember the group B Fantastic era. Thumbs up.
The most exciting time in rallying when each manufacturer was trying to out do the others with their new cars
A true group B icon
Yep a legend
I favour the looks of the Quattro, but I agree that 205 has every right to be called the ultimate group B icon
33 years old and still impressive!
Will always be not matter how long passes ;)
205 t16 is milf
The power in this engine has no limits and the turbo sound. Wow!
Pure efficiency. No time fore the look. French engineering at its best.
"pure efficency" dude read that word again... Group B and petrol engines are not "efficient" They lost near 40% of its power by thermal loses... Electric engine is the most efficient, it only lost 1% by wheel friction.
Survivalist yes
@@Big1_ you forgot the poor performance of the batteries ...
@@Big1_ Induction motor efficiency: 65%-95% depending on the load. The way they are used means they roam around 65%.
@@MrBreakingBud Sure. 0-100kmh in 2 seconds. Very low performance.
Compared to modern turbo inline 4 engines, this sounds amazing
The Group B hatchbacks were always my favourite, the Metro 6R4 was also a beast and ugly as sin but oh so cool.
Juha Kankunen, Timo Salonen, Bruno Saby, Michelle Mouton...these little pugs were MACHINES!
Great footage, thanks for sharing😎
Its great that people are still driving these cars, the way they are meant to be driven and letting this generation experience what group b was all about.
Thats how rally and racecars should sound
My favourite car! I could watch a 10 hour-long video about 205.
What a demon! Absolutely love this car!
Group B lives again!!!!! What a treat
Rally version engine of Peugeot 205 t16 evo 2 was actually producing around 450-480 bhp in 1986, but if I remember it right, the power was reduced to 400 bhp for Rally of Sweden 1986 and the weight increased to about a ton.
2:16 that acceleration!
And that's him going relatively easy on the car, compared to how it was pushed by the works drivers. It just looks fast anyway
none of that fart can shitty noises, just pure raw proper turbo engine sound love it
Awesome period of time.
Group B was the golden age of rallye racing. 🌟
Most fastest, beautiful brick I've ever seen
I had the chance to get into this same 205 Turbo 16 from Vatanen in 1987 (or 88) with a person who worked at Peugeot Talbot Sport and who was also in charge of testing the new Peugeot cars before their releases. He had an exemption to take the road with this monster, he came to a campsite near Pontoise (France) where he had his caravan and I had mine. He told me it belonged (at the time) to Jean Tod. He tuned the 205 T16 between 500hp and 600hp, we went to test it on the small country roads at around 180Km/h in certain places! A monster of power! An unforgettable memory.
J'ai eu la chance de monter dans cette même 205 Turbo 16 de Vatanen en 1987 (ou 88) avec une personne qui travaillait chez Peugeot Talbot Sport et qui avait aussi en charge d'essayer les nouvelles autos Peugeot avant leurs sorties. Il a eu une dérogation pour prendre la route avec ce monstre, il est venu dans un camping proche de Pontoise (France) ou il avait sa caravane et moi la mienne. Il m'a dit qu'elle appartenait (à l'époque) à Jean Tod. Il a réglé la 205 T16 entre 500ch et 600ch, nous sommes allés l'essayer sur les petites routes de campagne à environ 180Km/h à certain endroit ! Un monstre de puissance ! Un souvenir inoubliable.
la legende 205 t16 , premiere groupe b 4 rm et moteur central
As a kid whenever I’d watch Group B with my Dad I would sing “Snap Crackle Pop, Rice Krispies!” every time we’d hear the Peugeot on overrun, it literally sounded like pouring milk on Rice Krispies!
The bang, bang system is sick...legendary rally monster
My new favorite TH-cam channel delivers again!
Still plenty more to deliver ;)
@@HillClimbMonsters I look forward to it! I'm three for three on hearted comments lol, thanks guys!
You guys are the best! Thanks again
Thank you for your preference ;)
I've got to say that the engine is the worst looking of the whole group B, but probably the most efficient. At the end, it won several championships xd
Can´t really argue with such results ;)
Looks no worse than the Delta S4 engine compartment
Only negative I've read was that it would gyro the car badly in the air.
Center of mass was shifted to the right side by few %, because of that 205 was tricky and unstable into air jumps. In terms of balance it was worse than Delta S4, but S4 was sharp at landing after jumps, because of some little details of awsome suspesion
when "sharp" i mean "tricky" as well
... unbelievable ... !! sheer performance . salut de Alemagne
Love the slow motion at the end!
i think the third best car from group B team
Love the 205 & T16 💥👍🏆
C'était pas de la caisse à savon ces bombinettes là 😂😍🤩
An amazing car. I'm looking forward to building a model of one.
that fireball at 0:53
Legendary group 👍
Il est en balade là 😁
Pas vraiment...
Holy f*cking shit!
One of the best videos of these group b monsters in hard action that I've ever seen.
Greatest hillclimb channel on TH-cam!
Man what I'd give to just ride in one of these group B cars
Beautiful!!
Thank you 4 the video :-)
Toute la rage du Lion et de sa légende s'exprime ici...
La mia preferita in assoluto ❤️❤️❤️
Bro power to weight ratio is crazy
I like the turbine wheels on it.
Monster!
01:01 The guy's face "Hell yeah ..."
la monter des légende
Col de la Faucille - France . Where I used to train on my bike when I lived there... not as fast as the T16 i must admit ! 😂
Sound:checked
Flames:checked
Glad to see Group B cars driven the way they are meant to and not ending up as garage queens.However,as appealing as they are,they are rally legends,but when it comes to hillclimb,there are cars that will never be outshined by Group B,despite i like both equally.When you think better,modern day hillclimb monsters are like Group b back in the day,only with more power and grip.
You are right. For example Schagerl's Golf. Looks like Group B car with a good aero.
@@mionellessi3086 Yeah,it sure does.Sometimes i don't understand why people put down amazing hillclimb builds when there is Group B car shown in same video,even when that car is much faster.Instead of giving credit for hard work that gone into it people rather talk bad about it and praise Group b to the sky.
@@hillclimbracingfan5821
Preferences.
@@philip_si Unfortunately.
@@hillclimbracingfan5821
How is that unfortunate?
That people are allowed to have opinions?
Ha la le volant et bien placer pour gagner a gauche qui nous permet de bien anticipé les virages à droite comme a gauche les souvent plus dur les gauche
Back then Peaugot were fun to owned
Ya 30 ans d'écart entre les deux a l'époque c'était une tuerie comme la 405 T16
2:19
I agree!
Power
Glorious. And sporting the banned-in-period aero side skirts too, I believe?
Whilst the Quattro may have beat it on engine note, I think the T16 was the best looking Group B car.
Very well noticed 😉
Quattro was good, but didn't beat T16 really , you can't mess with a front-engined rallyecar against a mid-engined counterpart cause the center of gravity ... ! even in engine-note ,, the compareable acceleration from five-cylinder is weaker than four-cylinder cause revelations are rising quicker , you've shorter camshafts and crankshaft , lower masses to move and less inner friction than a five-cylinder .. !! even horsepower was nearly equal, T16 had same as Audi at least over 500 HP ! anyway , Quattro was good, specially when driven by RÖHRL !! grets from germany
... 205 T16 is very beautiful ... !!
Muy buen video 👍saludos!!
Gracias Hugo ;)
merci
Mega.
WOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAW !
Slow in tight corners, no central diff slow shifting gearbox huge turbolag, something normal in gr. B but brutaaaaaaaaal powerful and sounding waaaaaaaay better than modern wrc albeit much slower overall. Only the S1 sounds better.
oh my god it is gorgeous ... please don´t wreck it
0-100klm quantos segundos?????
Peugeot 205 T 16 1.8 L. Turbo..😃
Pardon , excusez moi ,, Pikes Peak Version E2 = 1.9 litre Turbo :) Salute de Alemagne
0:31 2500rpm 0.85 bar ? how it works ?
Ca melange France et 1000 lacs???
Show there wheel system 😍😍
can we please have the delta s4 ? would love to see somo footage of that aswell
Go through our library and you will find at least 4 videos with Deltas S4 ;)
@hillclimbmonsters greatly appreciated ✌
5 weirdos don't like this so far, must be the type of people to rave to Classic FM
Loveerr😘😘😘😘😘😘
👏
No More Rare Footage?
There´s still more to come. Will be posted in due time ;)
Is this the x Matti Alamaki car?
not 205 ,cage plus body engine back ,rear axle this is machin to win ,how much 800kg ?
The 205 T16 in rally-trim was around 890-940kg.
Basically correct.
it's A monster
@@wildthingwild2565
Agreed!
All group B cars were monsters in their own right. I wish that I could have witnessed that era, sadly it ended 11 years before my birth haha.
have this same, wanna back time -audi S1 groupB love this sound
Does anybody know, how many Pikes Peak versions were approximately made? Comments under videos say that Matti Alamäki also raced Pikes Peak version in European Rallycross events (at least in 1990). Is this the same car or not? I wonder...
This is not the same car as Alamaki raced, that would be chassis C209 if we are not mistaken 👍 But regarding the number of Pikes Peak versions built, it is super hard to reply as those cars were converted Evo 2´s which after racing on Pikes Peak were then converted into Rallycross cars in some cases, others dismantled and others reconverted into works-spec Evo 2´s.
... guess they would had pushed a little the displacement ... with 2.0 litres they would had achieved approximately ca. 700 HP + ... in less than 1000kg bodyweigh !!
Music. 👍🏻
Name engine?
Ha si dieux le veux bien que je deviennent riche comme bc j aurait celle là 205 turbo 16s evo ou pas et la r R 5 TURBO bien sur 🙏🏼😏🤲🏻🇨🇵👉☝️ des auto de rallye du seigneur ça 😊
Mouais pas mal, manque un peu de patate quand même
10.000 rpm.
F1 enginyer!
It does go to 10k tho
... not really , but 8000 up to 8500 RPM ... :)
the most OVERPOWERED car it needs to be nerfed
Caro signori in un chilometro non avete provato niente !!!! Bisognava provarla seriamente su strada !! Io l’ho fatto !!!!!!!!!!!
Does not sound good with the modern ecu.
Damm... what happened to Peugeot
Z
rallycross version is better
Nice but really bove 600hp?????????? 400+ rather....or show me dyno sheet.
Group B 205 T16 Engine 450~hp in 86, the Pikes Peak version do really 560~hp..
About 600hp this car
Bof pour +600hp je ss dessus elle ne les montre vraiment pas , j'entends pas le moteur chanté ces lourd et le couple moteur ossi il est lourd on dirait presque même une petite 2l turbo rien de plus , la clio maxi de ragnotti était une 2l atmosphérique 275cv
Le but n'est pas d'exploser la 205. Là il attaque pas vraiment.
@@killah0254 soit tu pilote soit tu conduit à toi de choisir
Quand tu a un bolide pareil dans la main ces pour piloter,
En plus il pilote mal
Pour moi ces une balade de routine
Pas la peine de tirer dans le moteur je ss d'accord avec toi
Mais le pilotage et complètement nul
@@cafou974 t'as pas compris que c'était maintenant une pièce de collection du musée Peugeot. Peugeot la sort pour faire plaisir aux spectateurs. Mais si elle est crashée ben elle est perdue à moins qu'ils sortent le pognon pour la retaper.
@@cafou974 toi t'est un sacré charlot
Va passer ton permis déjà...
If i could have any car in the world , thats it .
Mega.