We can't thank you enough for casting/streaming and putting up these vids on TH-cam. Major kudos! We even made you a special emoticon for Discord, we now use when our servers are sweating all over the place because of all the new players you brought in... "BLAME WINTER". This video in particular really captures the many details you like, which is awesome you took the time to magnify them. These are easily overseen in a generic promo-vid, or just a screenshot or short clip. So again, Thank you and we all hope you will have many more enjoyable games of BAR!
That looks pretty cool, but are you sure this building format is a good idea? it feels rigid/modded starcraft. Should probably nab a page from Dawn of war book (or maybe you want to stay true to "Total anhilation".)
This is NOT Sponsored. The devs themselves are volunteers. This game is completely free with a full open source community effort and it truly feels like it (in the best way possible). Warning for you aging RTS gamers, you probably don't have time to get addicted to this, but you should join the discord and do so anyways - Link: discord.com/invite/N968ddE
"aging RTS gamers"....why you gotta call me out like that. I'm literally in the garage right now watching this video to "avoid" the kids and wife for a little bit. (I kid...I'm not avoiding, but actually have work in the garage to do)
[BAR player here, have some vids of it on my own profile here] One interesting mechanic different from Supreme Commander, Total Annihilation or any other similar game I know of is that in BAR, flanking damage is a thing. The first time a unit's hit, it sets a narrow cone facing the point it got shot from, and then shots from any angle other than that cone will deal proportionally more damage as the angle approaches 180 degrees, up to double damage from the 'rear.' So, even common 'infantry' bots can inflict staggering damage if they get zergling-style surrounds on enemies. Advancing into defense turrets that shoot you from two sides at once is asking to get torn apart. This flanking 'cone' will reset after a few seconds of not getting shot. You can turn on an option to show this cone and a circle that shows relative damage angles.
@@MrDestroyerPrime Sort of. C&C 3's version was to have vehicles vulnerable to attacks from the sides and rear of their model, not whenever they're shot from multiple directions as in BAR.
It's a very small thing, and a very quick thing, but I deeply appreciate that they put in an option for a grid-optimized hotkey layout for 60% keyboards.
For those who are new to Total Annihilation inspired games, here's a list of them as far as I know/remember: - Supreme Commander 1 (and community made mod: FAF) - Balanced Annihilation (uses Spring RTS engine) - Zero-K (uses Spring RTS engine) - Planetary Annihilation - Ashes of the Singularity: Escalation - Beyond All Reason (uses modified/forked Spring RTS engine) - Sanctuary: Shattered Sun (in development...)
Forgot about AotS, need to play it again, though not really my cup of tea. Excited for Sanctuary, as FAF is my fav RTS and it is heavily inspired by that
@@morbuskobold4233rusted is beyond goated for its insane modding scene (probably the biggest out of all the games listed) and mega low end optimization (1000s of units in very huge maps without lag on a fucking mobile device) Oh and it's also on phones
Supreme Commander Forged Alliance Forever (FAF) is pretty active version, with active community development (balance/maps/mods/tournaments), which I play for years now, very casually. BAR is really great too, but def overwhelming, and I'm so old I don't really want to invest the time to get somewhat good. But I do play the singleplayer stuff once in a while. Winter playing this does motivate to pick it up again. And I really like it works out of the box on linux, as it has become my main OS the last decade or so
Have you heard of Sanctuary Shattered Sun? It is being made by supcom fans and was actually given an approving review by the lead dev of the supcom games.
@@catbert7 Planetary Annihilation doesn't come close to qualifying as a spiritual successor to TA/SUPCOM. It's release was a complete mess, and even years after they finally got their patching and reworking done the game had no soul.
Yes, BAR. Amongst both the best RTS and the best open-source games out there. I'm really glad you've covered it, especially given how hard it is for open-source communities to gain the visibility they need.
@@tbone8358 It's an open-source game. If mac devs are interested into forking it and making it work, they can. But given that the Spring (the game engine they use) community has been working on porting a 1.X version to MacOS for few year now, I guess the process is difficult.
@@tbone8358 spring did run on Mac, but Apple made things progressively harder by not updating their open source GLX support and BAR devs had to drop support for MAC. It would be holding back all these cool visuals and lighting. I run Linux, and am stuck on Apple for work. I know there are ways to run Linux on Apple hardware. It's just not as good for games now.
@@arjunratnadevwell more like Spring Engine which is an open source remake of TA, I believe it came out before supcom although I could be wrong. All of those games are really reskins of TA.
First it was Dune II on PC, then Total Annihilation and finally, Supreme Commander Forged Alliance.... there has nothing that caught my attention until today. Well done BAR!
I loved Total Annihilation back in the late 90’s. It was my intro to RTS and I had a ton of fun rolling through the campaign until I eventually moved on to AoE.
There was 16v16 events at some point. So it is possible to get to 32 players in one game^^ Speaking of gem, don't forget to also check out zero-k. The ugly BAR's cousin but with unique feature you won't see in any other RTS such as terraforming, dodging projectiles AI, battleships transportée by air, reverse tractor beams to throw units off ramps, etc... ^^
Check out Sanctuary Shattered Sun, it's looking to be an amazing game. They have a video where they interview with the lead dev of supcom and get his reaction to the game.
Yeeees bro BAR is so good. The discord is super positive, there's plenty of little intuitive mechanics, you're rewarded for aggression and map control while also having access to cost effective raid resistant defensive buildings
Love that you're covering this! Always thought that the TA heritage RTS scene (BAR and FAF) was a bit of a blind spot when you talk about the state of the Genre
Quick clarification at the start you say mod called Zero-K but Zero-K is actually a full game just like BAR is. BAR has stayed more true to TA while Zero-K has done more of their own things. Both are free and open-source and even borrow a lot of each other's code! To me, BAR is the gateway drug for playrers because of the fancy graphics while Zero-K, for me, is the more fun game because of the way the eco works, the unit AI and because it feels faster. Compared to many games BAR units have a brain while to many Zero-K players, they still seem brain-dead lol! Great to see you playing spring rts games and I hope you'll have a lot more fun for years to come!
This page contains all the ways the game is different/similar to Supreme Commander & Zero-K - other games inspired by Total Annihilation: www.beyondallreason.info/faq
If BAR blew your mind, Zero-k will even more. Imagine an RTS with terraforming, dodging projectiles AI, throwing units off ramps with reverse tractor beams, transporting warships via air transport, and many fun units ^^.
I love you. I love this. Started watching your channel 7 years ago. Most memorable moment was sell out stream, team sock vs team shoe. Anyways i have been playing bar for almost a year now!! It's just my favorite rts out rn. Anyways glad you made this video man. Love you. Rock on!!
One of the reasons I keep coming back to watch you is the clear passion that's translated by your expressions and alliterations. This game actually has me a bit excited to use this "potato"!
@@ToTheNines87368 I think my craptastic cpu could handle this rts...and I wouldn't of known anything about it, if not for this channel...since you asked...
Nice to see someone who really appreciates the niceties of the control scheme. More than a decade of work on the Spring Engine by RTS fans! It's nice to see BAR pick up the torch and drive things forward.
Wow! Back in the 90's (still on my 20s) one of my dear friends ran a computer repair store. Every weekend a bunch of us would pack up our PCs and set up there for the weekend and play epic matches of TA and many other games. TA was the reason we worked our tails off to get ever-more powerful systems just to run its epic battles! I remember all of us oooh-ing and ahhh-ing when one of us got a 400mhz AMD processor and it FINALLY would run huge battles pretty smoothly. This is so amazing to see and brings back a flood of great memories.
I can HIGHLY recommend Zero-K (with 200 hours in it). It's free and available on Steam. It performs well even on my mediocre computer which, beautiful as BAR is, I could not say the same here. I don't wanna oversing its praises. I'll just say there's a unit called the Lobster. It throws units. And somehow, it's as tactically balanced as it is funny and delightful. That is the way of Zero-K.
It can throw battleships on land or throw land units into the water. Very fun unit indeed ^^. In one game someone made 2 close together and jumped everywhere with firewalkers. Was fun to watch.
theres a little more differnce between the factions here than what is being said, Armada also known as arm is a very light mobile faction and Cortex or core is a heavy punch your teeth in faction. In a long drawn out fight, cortex has the advantage due to armor and firepower on alot of their units, If you leave a cortex player alone for too long and allow them to build up they will smash your face in like you saw at the beginning of the video. Arm is super dangerous early game as their units are faster and cheaper, you can very quickly be swarmed and killed if your not prepared for it. Not every unit in the game has a counter to it, some straight up dont and you will need to figure out how to deal with them.
supreme commander was so good there's actually still an active community for it called forged alliance forever very cool to see a spiritual succesor to it
50:33 when he said "he D gunned it" My heart skipped a beat. TA Was the best game on the planet. I remember when everything was going to shit, just max your production and send the commander in, your last ditch, hail mary, risk it all. If they killed it, it's okay because it was a nuke in waiting. Edit: Honestly didn't know this existed. Already Downloading when I get home. Oh lord... I'm about to lose a few days of sleep.
I grew up playing TA in the 90s with my LAN group. So crazy to stumble onto this. Have to play it now. I'm amazed how few people who are avid RTSers have never heard of TA. This is my childhood but at a super high level. I hope this takes off.
it's so cute, as a TA player who never really learned SC2, hearing a SC2 player explain TA. Like damn man, where was my explanation to get into your shit lol.
So cool to see Winter covering this quality game! Wish we could see some videos of Planetary Annihilation. Similar game style, but on spherical maps - sometimes with entire solar systems to play in. Such a cool idea and doesn't receive the attention it deserves, imo.
i 2nd this, if you like TA and Supreme Commander then you should try Planetary Annihilation, it's basically this game only bigger, wish it had taken off in multyplayer like SC
Wow, this game really brought back some good memories of Total Annihilation... So basically this game seems more Total Annihilation with some Supreme Commander elements into it.
Great to see this video giving an overview of the game. I have just started playing it and am a bit overwhelmed. Some how-to videos would be good, showing good techniques to use. You used many key combinations in the video, so showing them a bit slower would help us beginners.
I absolutely LOVE how excited you are about this game! All of the little features that distract you from your point are all things that I really wanted in a game. Thank you as always for the video!!!!
Saw a couple videos on this on the second channel, and so happy to see a new team tackle the TA-style game! Definitely downloaded this one and trying it out!
Totally important and I don't know if anyone who knows the game is on stream when you're playing it or not The fight command is like attack-moving It's got a massive amount of development behind it! AI For each bot/tank/airplane that makes the fight command at least a little smart So something like a light bot is going to try to kite, and longer range things will try to keep at range. Amazing to use in formations
I just downloaded the game and I'm excited to give it a shot! Something I've been thinking of a lot lately is why Starcraft feels so special compared to a lot of other games and I boil it down to two things: 1. The characters and campaign missions make you connect with the units. Each unit also has some soul and personality to them (like when you select them they say voicelines) 2. There is a rich history around starcraft with things like StarCrafts (the carbot series) that makes even the scary, gross Zerg adorable, attractive, and hilarious. In addition to SC2's killer gameplay offerings, all that heart and soul behind the game makes people like me still love it to this day even though it's such a tough game to play (hardest in the world IMO). It's sad to see what is probably the death of pro SC2 happening before our eyes, but it's nice Winter is keeping an eye on the RTS landscape for us.
Total Annihilation was the first PC game that I loved when I was younger. I've tried to play it here and there again now but its pretty clunky to play by today's standards. So excited to play this.
wow Total Annihilation that takes me back! I can remember trying to muddle my way through that as a 12 year old XD! This looks very interesting Winter. Love your channel!
Absolutely love the concept. I played a lot of Supreme Commander and Planetary annihilation (not competitive though). These types of games really are amazing. Would you like to try to cast some 1V1 games with someone experienced in BAR to learn a few things ? I guess you can ask on the discord ! I'd watch you cast this game anyday just like I watch all of your SC2 casts.
I was watching the video at the start and I was like...this has to be some sort of sequel to Supreme commander total annihilation. That game was soo sick when I was a teen.
Never seen you before. I am an old-time TA and Supreme Commander Player -- not a pro. I am LOVING your enthusiasm for this game. (Which I discovered from your channel ! 🙂
I just got this game last night. Played a few 4v4 games and man I had a blast this game pays homage to all other great RTS games before it and does so in a deep and respectful way. It's a bit awkward getting the hang of your economy at the start but once you figure it out the game world is your oyster. Good luck have fun don't die.
I don't know why people always overlook Planetary Annihilation, which is easily the best RTS in the genre, IMO. Incredibly sophisticated and effective controls, Land, Sea, Air, and Orbital layers, multiple planets, moons you can crash into planets... it's the full package. But BAR has one-upped them on controls, which is really saying something! But I miss that orbital layer. PA has spoiled me.
Just started the video, download the game in the back ground, try to start up and Servers full! Coincidence that Winter puts out a video and the servers get overloaded? I think not. Yes please more content on this game, looks great.
We had to set a limit to the number of users to save the servers from crashing, we are incrementally increasing it now. Winter has been a big contributor to that issue indeed :p
Unit control is the same as in Zero-K and other games based on Spring Engine, because it is Spring Engine feature. 6 or 7 nukes fired at the same time aimed at one place usually will break through anti-nuke defense, if the area is protected by just one anti-nuke.
Actually, Zero-k has more unit control options like setting one target for each bomber in an attack zone automatically or guarding a bigger units with several others by making them go around the guard unit.
@@jacksheldon8566 also here u can set different target for each bomber. If u don't see it in the game its maybe the player doesn't know how to do this.
It is open source. That means you will never see an ounce of microtransaction, ever. You can also check Zero-k without fear. another open source RTS that run on the same BAR's engine which provide some interesting new gameplay mechanics such as terraforming.
I built my first computer in 1997 in order to play Total Annihilation when it first came out. You should do a little research on TA and how groundbreaking it was if you have the time - I believe it was even the first game to have DLC. Chris Taylor went on to develop Supreme Commander in 2007, the spiritual successesor to Total Annihilation. I never understood how Starcraft did better than TA when it came out in 1998.
Zero-k is a game very similar to BAR, same engine, same core features, but different weighting of those features and is worth checking out. It feels more pollished imo, since its been around longer and the eco is more competetive (efficency of infinite metal generation based on mex control, incentivises fighting for map even later on )
I spent the last two days geeking around in the wiki. I would love a build order tutorial + game play testing it out. Idea: maybe playing it and then commenting it as an espectator Winter? I think that format might be easier to see the full battle and understand better the overall movement of both bands, ans not only your perspective.
I just want a game like this where I can build forts, bunkers, trenches, walls, and turrets to my heart's content. Just like Dad used to do.. before he lost his hand.........
how are large fights with many units? supreme commander was awesome but when there was too much going on it ground to a halt... hope this one does big battles smooth :)
No noticeable slowdown, even huge 8v8 team games still have solid fps (I do have a pretty modern PC). Here's a vid of the lategame with 1000s of units and dozens of nukes! th-cam.com/video/xwQNCJx6p-k/w-d-xo.html
18:15 You are not rambling Winter, thanks to your knowledge and experience, you get the nuances that actually matter *Smashing the LIKE button intensifies*. A LOT of "reviewers" are extremely casual, superficial and not really informative. The stuff you point out shines light on WHY THIS game is different than the rest - one could say, core point of any review. If you want a tip: Check out how TotalBiscuit (F) has done his reviews. Having Proper structure beforehand will enhance the review. You can make sure that you do not miss anything you want to talk about (really alleviates the stress) and it smoothens the information flow from you to a viewer. Please do MORE of this. Putting light on indies and AA is very much needed in modern overcasualized hypetrain gaming. Once I get home from night shift, I am giving it a shot. Thanks to you, the network effect is real and another 5 people from my friendlist are already checking it out! = You DO MAKE THE Difference, keep up! Loving it!
Having a third faction would be cool. But i think it would be even cooler if they gave us a Bot Creator editor like in Impossible Creatures. Let us make our own bots. That would be so freaking cool
This made me want to play this game again after initially trying it 1-2 years ago - I think it looks like it's gotten better than when I last played it - I'm a 32yo sc2 guy!
I watched your Starcraft content for a few years. Not much of a SC player, but enjoyed your commentary. ... Same here. I can hear your enthusiasm for the game. Good stuff. ... Free, hunh?
We can't thank you enough for casting/streaming and putting up these vids on TH-cam. Major kudos! We even made you a special emoticon for Discord, we now use when our servers are sweating all over the place because of all the new players you brought in... "BLAME WINTER". This video in particular really captures the many details you like, which is awesome you took the time to magnify them. These are easily overseen in a generic promo-vid, or just a screenshot or short clip.
So again, Thank you and we all hope you will have many more enjoyable games of BAR!
@BAR Thank you so much for offering a linux build. I download the AppImage and played my first game a bit ago. Worked great!
and WE cant thank YOU enough for resurrecting one of the best RTS games ever made. hats off, ill be playing this later
@@robertmurry1442 The pleasure is all ours! (well and yours as well)
That looks pretty cool, but are you sure this building format is a good idea? it feels rigid/modded starcraft. Should probably nab a page from Dawn of war book (or maybe you want to stay true to "Total anhilation".)
I see it looks like Planetary annihilation
Did u just stolen the idea or are there some devs from PA team?
This is NOT Sponsored. The devs themselves are volunteers. This game is completely free with a full open source community effort and it truly feels like it (in the best way possible).
Warning for you aging RTS gamers, you probably don't have time to get addicted to this, but you should join the discord and do so anyways - Link: discord.com/invite/N968ddE
"aging RTS gamers"....why you gotta call me out like that. I'm literally in the garage right now watching this video to "avoid" the kids and wife for a little bit. (I kid...I'm not avoiding, but actually have work in the garage to do)
@@isaackvasager9957 #rtproblems
If you like this, you have to try Forged Alliance Forever.
@@isaackvasager9957 I have less work to do in the garage but still hang out there watching StarCraft to avoid the wife and kids too...
Okay....if Winter has kids, do we get to call them snowflakes?
[BAR player here, have some vids of it on my own profile here]
One interesting mechanic different from Supreme Commander, Total Annihilation or any other similar game I know of is that in BAR, flanking damage is a thing. The first time a unit's hit, it sets a narrow cone facing the point it got shot from, and then shots from any angle other than that cone will deal proportionally more damage as the angle approaches 180 degrees, up to double damage from the 'rear.' So, even common 'infantry' bots can inflict staggering damage if they get zergling-style surrounds on enemies. Advancing into defense turrets that shoot you from two sides at once is asking to get torn apart. This flanking 'cone' will reset after a few seconds of not getting shot. You can turn on an option to show this cone and a circle that shows relative damage angles.
That is amazing! That is something that I wanted in Supreme Commander
Oh dang, varying damage based on angle? I think RA3 has flank damage but it's a flat damage modifier.
Command & Conquer 3 from 2007 also had this.
@@MrDestroyerPrime Sort of. C&C 3's version was to have vehicles vulnerable to attacks from the sides and rear of their model, not whenever they're shot from multiple directions as in BAR.
That's cool.
If only there were any explanation for that sort of thing.
It's a very small thing, and a very quick thing, but I deeply appreciate that they put in an option for a grid-optimized hotkey layout for 60% keyboards.
They have Linux support and are making excuses not to make macOS support. No thanks.
@@tbone8358 If you're a gamer and using a Mac, you're beyond help.
@@tbone8358 have you tried using Crossover?
@@tbone8358 what a bunch of lazy volunteers. Seriously though, think before complaining.
@@tbone8358 good news i its open source and a volunteer project so you can always dedicate your own time to port it to macOS
For those who are new to Total Annihilation inspired games, here's a list of them as far as I know/remember:
- Supreme Commander 1 (and community made mod: FAF)
- Balanced Annihilation (uses Spring RTS engine)
- Zero-K (uses Spring RTS engine)
- Planetary Annihilation
- Ashes of the Singularity: Escalation
- Beyond All Reason (uses modified/forked Spring RTS engine)
- Sanctuary: Shattered Sun (in development...)
ZK and BAR use the same fork of the spring engine as of today
Forgot about AotS, need to play it again, though not really my cup of tea.
Excited for Sanctuary, as FAF is my fav RTS and it is heavily inspired by that
thank you for the info
Add Rusted Warfare to this List. Its a somewhat minimalistic choice, but it nails the Gameplay.
@@morbuskobold4233rusted is beyond goated for its insane modding scene (probably the biggest out of all the games listed) and mega low end optimization (1000s of units in very huge maps without lag on a fucking mobile device)
Oh and it's also on phones
Total Annihilation and Supreme Commander were so good. This looks like a promising successor 🙂
I still play supreme commander forged alliance with one of my gaming buddies. Great game.
Supreme Commander Forged Alliance Forever (FAF) is pretty active version, with active community development (balance/maps/mods/tournaments), which I play for years now, very casually.
BAR is really great too, but def overwhelming, and I'm so old I don't really want to invest the time to get somewhat good. But I do play the singleplayer stuff once in a while. Winter playing this does motivate to pick it up again.
And I really like it works out of the box on linux, as it has become my main OS the last decade or so
And Planetary Annihilation
Have you heard of Sanctuary Shattered Sun? It is being made by supcom fans and was actually given an approving review by the lead dev of the supcom games.
@@catbert7 Planetary Annihilation doesn't come close to qualifying as a spiritual successor to TA/SUPCOM. It's release was a complete mess, and even years after they finally got their patching and reworking done the game had no soul.
Yes, BAR. Amongst both the best RTS and the best open-source games out there. I'm really glad you've covered it, especially given how hard it is for open-source communities to gain the visibility they need.
@@tbone8358 It's an open-source game. If mac devs are interested into forking it and making it work, they can. But given that the Spring (the game engine they use) community has been working on porting a 1.X version to MacOS for few year now, I guess the process is difficult.
@@tbone8358 go buy a real computer and you can play some real games
@@tbone8358 spring did run on Mac, but Apple made things progressively harder by not updating their open source GLX support and BAR devs had to drop support for MAC. It would be holding back all these cool visuals and lighting. I run Linux, and am stuck on Apple for work. I know there are ways to run Linux on Apple hardware. It's just not as good for games now.
@@genesises you’re a bigot
The other best is no suprise it's cousin "zero-k".
Tho since BAR is better looking it got more attention.
I'd love to see some guides for this! Looks like a lot of fun
thanks winter never knew of this. I played literally 1000's of hours of total annihilation and this gave me feels
the zoomed out view feels more like Supreme Commander don't you think?
@@arjunratnadevwell more like Spring Engine which is an open source remake of TA, I believe it came out before supcom although I could be wrong.
All of those games are really reskins of TA.
I’d forgotten all about that game…. I used to thrash it to.
Glad you covered this game, it deserves more attention!
First it was Dune II on PC, then Total Annihilation and finally, Supreme Commander Forged Alliance.... there has nothing that caught my attention until today. Well done BAR!
I loved Total Annihilation back in the late 90’s. It was my intro to RTS and I had a ton of fun rolling through the campaign until I eventually moved on to AoE.
My word - watch what happens to the planes with the nuke at 1:41!
OMG the memories from Total Annihilation, from when I was a kid ...
This will be a must play
You did a great job of explaining details while also playing for such a intensely complex game. Great vid.
What a game, community driven RTS that looks absolute chaos on 8v8 games, thank you Winter I'd have never found this gem
There was 16v16 events at some point. So it is possible to get to 32 players in one game^^
Speaking of gem, don't forget to also check out zero-k. The ugly BAR's cousin but with unique feature you won't see in any other RTS such as terraforming, dodging projectiles AI, battleships transportée by air, reverse tractor beams to throw units off ramps, etc... ^^
As someone who loved playing Total Annihilation back in the day, I thank you for covering this! It definitely needs more coverage!
This reminds me of Supreme Commander, a game I dumped an unhealthy amount of hours fighting AI opponents for some reason.
Total Annihalation is Supreme Commanders predecessor
I immediately got supreme commander vibrations from the first 10 seconds
Check out Sanctuary Shattered Sun, it's looking to be an amazing game. They have a video where they interview with the lead dev of supcom and get his reaction to the game.
some would say - beyond all reason
_>
Yeeees bro BAR is so good. The discord is super positive, there's plenty of little intuitive mechanics, you're rewarded for aggression and map control while also having access to cost effective raid resistant defensive buildings
Love that you're covering this! Always thought that the TA heritage RTS scene (BAR and FAF) was a bit of a blind spot when you talk about the state of the Genre
I really appreciate the explanation for this game. It makes it far more likely that I will enjoy watching videos of it.
The level of customization is insane. And I love it. Thanks for showing the game.
This is so cool. I love hearing about new RTS games.
Dang, I really appreciated this video. Thank you!
Quick clarification at the start you say mod called Zero-K but Zero-K is actually a full game just like BAR is. BAR has stayed more true to TA while Zero-K has done more of their own things. Both are free and open-source and even borrow a lot of each other's code! To me, BAR is the gateway drug for playrers because of the fancy graphics while Zero-K, for me, is the more fun game because of the way the eco works, the unit AI and because it feels faster. Compared to many games BAR units have a brain while to many Zero-K players, they still seem brain-dead lol!
Great to see you playing spring rts games and I hope you'll have a lot more fun for years to come!
This page contains all the ways the game is different/similar to Supreme Commander & Zero-K - other games inspired by Total Annihilation: www.beyondallreason.info/faq
Always refreshing seeing youtubers supporting indie rts! These people put their hearts and souls into making their dream game a reality!
If BAR blew your mind, Zero-k will even more.
Imagine an RTS with terraforming, dodging projectiles AI, throwing units off ramps with reverse tractor beams, transporting warships via air transport, and many fun units ^^.
idk, sounds more like game playing itself instead of you for me.
I love you. I love this. Started watching your channel 7 years ago. Most memorable moment was sell out stream, team sock vs team shoe. Anyways i have been playing bar for almost a year now!! It's just my favorite rts out rn. Anyways glad you made this video man. Love you. Rock on!!
nice to see you excited dude. i'm excited too. I loved TA, even though I was too young to really remotely good at.
I'm surprised how little people know about Planetary Annihilation Titans
One of the reasons I keep coming back to watch you is the clear passion that's translated by your expressions and alliterations. This game actually has me a bit excited to use this "potato"!
Lol wat.
@@ToTheNines87368 I think my craptastic cpu could handle this rts...and I wouldn't of known anything about it, if not for this channel...since you asked...
Nice to see someone who really appreciates the niceties of the control scheme. More than a decade of work on the Spring Engine by RTS fans! It's nice to see BAR pick up the torch and drive things forward.
It's unreal how good this game is. I'm glad you played it on stream; because this was no where near on my radar. It's too much fun.
@@manumaster1990 thats how it looks. Seems like the masses have more fun with simplified dumbed down games though lmao
Wow! Back in the 90's (still on my 20s) one of my dear friends ran a computer repair store. Every weekend a bunch of us would pack up our PCs and set up there for the weekend and play epic matches of TA and many other games. TA was the reason we worked our tails off to get ever-more powerful systems just to run its epic battles! I remember all of us oooh-ing and ahhh-ing when one of us got a 400mhz AMD processor and it FINALLY would run huge battles pretty smoothly. This is so amazing to see and brings back a flood of great memories.
I can HIGHLY recommend Zero-K (with 200 hours in it). It's free and available on Steam. It performs well even on my mediocre computer which, beautiful as BAR is, I could not say the same here.
I don't wanna oversing its praises. I'll just say there's a unit called the Lobster. It throws units. And somehow, it's as tactically balanced as it is funny and delightful. That is the way of Zero-K.
It can throw battleships on land or throw land units into the water. Very fun unit indeed ^^.
In one game someone made 2 close together and jumped everywhere with firewalkers. Was fun to watch.
Nice mengsk impression at the beginning
theres a little more differnce between the factions here than what is being said, Armada also known as arm is a very light mobile faction and Cortex or core is a heavy punch your teeth in faction. In a long drawn out fight, cortex has the advantage due to armor and firepower on alot of their units, If you leave a cortex player alone for too long and allow them to build up they will smash your face in like you saw at the beginning of the video. Arm is super dangerous early game as their units are faster and cheaper, you can very quickly be swarmed and killed if your not prepared for it. Not every unit in the game has a counter to it, some straight up dont and you will need to figure out how to deal with them.
supreme commander was so good
there's actually still an active community for it called forged alliance forever
very cool to see a spiritual succesor to it
50:33 when he said "he D gunned it" My heart skipped a beat. TA Was the best game on the planet. I remember when everything was going to shit, just max your production and send the commander in, your last ditch, hail mary, risk it all. If they killed it, it's okay because it was a nuke in waiting.
Edit: Honestly didn't know this existed. Already Downloading when I get home. Oh lord... I'm about to lose a few days of sleep.
I grew up playing TA in the 90s with my LAN group. So crazy to stumble onto this. Have to play it now. I'm amazed how few people who are avid RTSers have never heard of TA. This is my childhood but at a super high level. I hope this takes off.
it's so cute, as a TA player who never really learned SC2, hearing a SC2 player explain TA. Like damn man, where was my explanation to get into your shit lol.
So cool to see Winter covering this quality game! Wish we could see some videos of Planetary Annihilation. Similar game style, but on spherical maps - sometimes with entire solar systems to play in. Such a cool idea and doesn't receive the attention it deserves, imo.
i 2nd this, if you like TA and Supreme Commander then you should try Planetary Annihilation, it's basically this game only bigger, wish it had taken off in multyplayer like SC
I thought this game was planetary annihilation as the unit models look and animate almost exactly if not identical to that other game as well.
Wow, this game really brought back some good memories of Total Annihilation... So basically this game seems more Total Annihilation with some Supreme Commander elements into it.
Great to see this video giving an overview of the game. I have just started playing it and am a bit overwhelmed. Some how-to videos would be good, showing good techniques to use. You used many key combinations in the video, so showing them a bit slower would help us beginners.
I absolutely LOVE how excited you are about this game! All of the little features that distract you from your point are all things that I really wanted in a game. Thank you as always for the video!!!!
This reminds me exactly of Total Annihilation, from the insane nukes, to the musical score xD
Saw a couple videos on this on the second channel, and so happy to see a new team tackle the TA-style game! Definitely downloaded this one and trying it out!
Totally important and I don't know if anyone who knows the game is on stream when you're playing it or not
The fight command is like attack-moving
It's got a massive amount of development behind it! AI For each bot/tank/airplane that makes the fight command at least a little smart
So something like a light bot is going to try to kite, and longer range things will try to keep at range. Amazing to use in formations
I just downloaded the game and I'm excited to give it a shot! Something I've been thinking of a lot lately is why Starcraft feels so special compared to a lot of other games and I boil it down to two things:
1. The characters and campaign missions make you connect with the units. Each unit also has some soul and personality to them (like when you select them they say voicelines)
2. There is a rich history around starcraft with things like StarCrafts (the carbot series) that makes even the scary, gross Zerg adorable, attractive, and hilarious.
In addition to SC2's killer gameplay offerings, all that heart and soul behind the game makes people like me still love it to this day even though it's such a tough game to play (hardest in the world IMO). It's sad to see what is probably the death of pro SC2 happening before our eyes, but it's nice Winter is keeping an eye on the RTS landscape for us.
Total Annihilation was the first PC game that I loved when I was younger. I've tried to play it here and there again now but its pretty clunky to play by today's standards. So excited to play this.
This looks so good! Thanks for the introduction!
This looks sick, gonna have to check it out.
wow Total Annihilation that takes me back! I can remember trying to muddle my way through that as a 12 year old XD! This looks very interesting Winter. Love your channel!
Glad to see Total Annihilation lives on as BAR
Absolutely love the concept. I played a lot of Supreme Commander and Planetary annihilation (not competitive though). These types of games really are amazing.
Would you like to try to cast some 1V1 games with someone experienced in BAR to learn a few things ? I guess you can ask on the discord ! I'd watch you cast this game anyday just like I watch all of your SC2 casts.
I was watching the video at the start and I was like...this has to be some sort of sequel to Supreme commander total annihilation. That game was soo sick when I was a teen.
loved all the combinations of hotkeys to move, atack, construct, this is really sick
Never seen you before. I am an old-time TA and Supreme Commander Player -- not a pro. I am LOVING your enthusiasm for this game. (Which I discovered from your channel ! 🙂
Ok this has captured my interest. Almost seems like a playground of great rts ideas.
I just got this game last night. Played a few 4v4 games and man I had a blast this game pays homage to all other great RTS games before it and does so in a deep and respectful way. It's a bit awkward getting the hang of your economy at the start but once you figure it out the game world is your oyster. Good luck have fun don't die.
34:00 What did you use the Tab key for? Select production? It is select commander by default.
AMADA vs CORETEK lmao it's Arm vs Core!!! oh i'm so excited the fucking nostalgia is blasting out of my bone marrow.
Dude this looks pretty rad actually.
I don't know why people always overlook Planetary Annihilation, which is easily the best RTS in the genre, IMO. Incredibly sophisticated and effective controls, Land, Sea, Air, and Orbital layers, multiple planets, moons you can crash into planets... it's the full package.
But BAR has one-upped them on controls, which is really saying something! But I miss that orbital layer. PA has spoiled me.
seeing you excited was cool, the game is also pretty cool
Just started the video, download the game in the back ground, try to start up and Servers full! Coincidence that Winter puts out a video and the servers get overloaded? I think not. Yes please more content on this game, looks great.
We had to set a limit to the number of users to save the servers from crashing, we are incrementally increasing it now. Winter has been a big contributor to that issue indeed :p
I am SO interested in nitty gritty guides. Especially the GRID controls and mechanics stuff!
Unit control is the same as in Zero-K and other games based on Spring Engine, because it is Spring Engine feature.
6 or 7 nukes fired at the same time aimed at one place usually will break through anti-nuke defense, if the area is protected by just one anti-nuke.
Actually, Zero-k has more unit control options like setting one target for each bomber in an attack zone automatically or guarding a bigger units with several others by making them go around the guard unit.
@@jacksheldon8566 also here u can set different target for each bomber. If u don't see it in the game its maybe the player doesn't know how to do this.
Usually I stay away from anything F2P but if Winter says it's good I'll at least check it out.
It is open source. That means you will never see an ounce of microtransaction, ever.
You can also check Zero-k without fear. another open source RTS that run on the same BAR's engine which provide some interesting new gameplay mechanics such as terraforming.
I built my first computer in 1997 in order to play Total Annihilation when it first came out. You should do a little research on TA and how groundbreaking it was if you have the time - I believe it was even the first game to have DLC. Chris Taylor went on to develop Supreme Commander in 2007, the spiritual successesor to Total Annihilation. I never understood how Starcraft did better than TA when it came out in 1998.
Zero-k is a game very similar to BAR, same engine, same core features, but different weighting of those features and is worth checking out.
It feels more pollished imo, since its been around longer and the eco is more competetive
(efficency of infinite metal generation based on mex control, incentivises fighting for map even later on )
The brief clip of the FUUUSION CORE music killed me instantly
I spent the last two days geeking around in the wiki. I would love a build order tutorial + game play testing it out.
Idea: maybe playing it and then commenting it as an espectator Winter? I think that format might be easier to see the full battle and understand better the overall movement of both bands, ans not only your perspective.
I just want a game like this where I can build forts, bunkers, trenches, walls, and turrets to my heart's content. Just like Dad used to do.. before he lost his hand.........
I love it! I look forward to seeing more.
WOW, an RTS where you can actually zoom out!
Thank you so much for this video!
how are large fights with many units? supreme commander was awesome but when there was too much going on it ground to a halt... hope this one does big battles smooth :)
No noticeable slowdown, even huge 8v8 team games still have solid fps (I do have a pretty modern PC). Here's a vid of the lategame with 1000s of units and dozens of nukes! th-cam.com/video/xwQNCJx6p-k/w-d-xo.html
It's far better. Supcom had engine limitations, as well as being around the xp days. I think.
in my experience its a bit choppy like 30fps with tons of things going on but i'm using a weaker pc
try out Zero-K next ;) more unit variety and focus on 1v1 balance
I saw this... I started playing it... I'm addicted already lmao
I love BAR, it 's the only RTS I can think of that I can support my team by doing nothing but buildimg a massive economy and sharing it with my team
need more of this :P
Hey good to see some bigger faces joining the community. Put the time in, the games got a lot of heart I'm sure you'll enjoy it!
18:15 You are not rambling Winter, thanks to your knowledge and experience, you get the nuances that actually matter *Smashing the LIKE button intensifies*. A LOT of "reviewers" are extremely casual, superficial and not really informative. The stuff you point out shines light on WHY THIS game is different than the rest - one could say, core point of any review.
If you want a tip: Check out how TotalBiscuit (F) has done his reviews. Having Proper structure beforehand will enhance the review. You can make sure that you do not miss anything you want to talk about (really alleviates the stress) and it smoothens the information flow from you to a viewer.
Please do MORE of this. Putting light on indies and AA is very much needed in modern overcasualized hypetrain gaming. Once I get home from night shift, I am giving it a shot. Thanks to you, the network effect is real and another 5 people from my friendlist are already checking it out! = You DO MAKE THE Difference, keep up! Loving it!
You gotta love the "GG BM Winter-edition nuke"!
Downloading it right now!
teams of people getting paid salary to make games like AOE4 and CoH3 and charging 60 bucks for it, meanwhile this game is far superior.
Hadn’t heard about this at all until you played it one day on stream. Pretty much haven’t put it down since
Having a third faction would be cool. But i think it would be even cooler if they gave us a Bot Creator editor like in Impossible Creatures. Let us make our own bots. That would be so freaking cool
Wow, thanks for the vid! Tried it out and it's such a good game
thank you for this share, very interested the alt commands and attacking sub orders.
Just came here to upvote this amazing project 🤩
This made me want to play this game again after initially trying it 1-2 years ago - I think it looks like it's gotten better than when I last played it - I'm a 32yo sc2 guy!
I watched your Starcraft content for a few years. Not much of a SC player, but enjoyed your commentary. ... Same here. I can hear your enthusiasm for the game. Good stuff. ... Free, hunh?
Thx for the video because i indeed never heard of it before. That said, loving it to bits
Winter out here redefining’ danger close’.
I feel like not giving this game a shot would be unfair, this looks so good
Definitely would love to see more content on this one ^^
blind nuking your opponent's base is such a vibe