Fiesta Will Not start And Run After Timing Belt Change PT 1 O NO This Might Be A Big Problem ????
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This episode i put the fiesta back together but now will not run so i take it apart again to check the timing but still not running this might be a big problem - ยานยนต์และพาหนะ
Really love your attitude when things don't quite go to plan. If that had been me spanners, hammers and anything else within reach would have been launched. Excellent video as always, enjoy your Easter weekend.
Thanks buddy appreciate it 👍👍
what happened was when you put the timing belt on your slack was in-between the top front cam sprocket and the crank sprocket when you released the tensioner it rotated both cam sprockets backwards one tooth as it tensioned up the belt you need to repin crank detension and remove the belt from the cam sprockets turn them both clockwise slightly till the cam locking plate locks in position refit belt onto cam sprockets trying to get any slack between the rear cam sprocket and tensioner then retension cam belt remove all pins rotate crank at least 4 complete rotations then check all pins and locking plates still fit back in
Hi a few months ago I said you need to crack off the cam bolts as in the ford technical manual the reason being is it needs to tension equally all round the belt I seen this happen before and it knocks timing out and it bent valves from not been much out your best option is a cylinder compression test this will rule out bent valves. But I do hope you get it sorted 👍🏻
Take care Mark you can sort it mate have a fantastic weekend with your family
Hi Mark good video I know you will sort it next time round have a good Easter with your family 👍👍👍
Hi Mark, try not to let it bug you over the long weekend, just chill, relax and enjoy time with the family. Come back next week refreshed and with a clear mind. Do a square one timing setup from scratch with the timing belt completely off and reset up.
Had same problem on exact same car, the engine actually seized because we were starting it frequently, ended up getting second hand engine. Get timing correct. Lock the two cams at the top. You will get it sorted.
🙈 I would love to be able to do my timing belt , this is the reason I won’t , I’m sure you will sort it , have a nice Easter break 👍
Great video and I am sure that you will figure it out!! Have a great bank holiday and stay safe and see you soon
Thank you for your video Mark. I am no mechanic and i have a ford fiesta mk6 which needs the timing belt renewing, no offence Mark but watching your video as put me right off doing my timing belt, but you kept your cool and tried. If that was me i would of lost it and ending up throwing my tools everywhere haha. I know this video is 12 months ago, but i hope you had a nice bank holiday weekend with your family. I have decided to buy the parts and pay a proper mechanic to do mine for me. Going to ask around for a quote and try get a mobile mechanic so i can make sure a new belts get fitted.....
Thanks buddy yeah had a great holiday thanks mate learned so much about doing timing belts if you don’t try your never know 👍👍
You’ll sort it Mark - a few days off with family come back Tuesday all refreshed. No worries 👏👍😊🚗🚘🚙
Totally remove the belt and start again ,find tdc , lock crank with pin , lock cams with plate . then undo both cam pulleys . fit belt , tension , then re-tighten up the pulleys . hope that helps
As much as I credit you for doing timing, I’d just be doing a service and selling these on with no proof of timing change. It’s about making Money and losing days and cash isn’t a good business model
I think you need to take the belt off, and adjust the bottom end again. I wouldn't keep trying to run the engine until you remove the belt make the fine adjustment, good luck
Good luck Mark am sure its nothing Fiesta Man can't cope with have a great break
Hi Mark take the belt back off time it up then put belt back on one tooth out buy the look of it hope that helps 👍👍
The Crank is a floating pulley it will spin only the crank bolt tightens up the pully
Happy Easter buddy
Hi mark
Loosen the bolts holding the cam pulleys just enough to let the cams turn within the pulleys now fit the locking plate back into the slots in the back of cams using the flats on the cams wher you used the spanner in todays video now set the bottom crank stop as you normally do
Torque the 2 bolts holding the cam pulleys to the correct torque
Now torque the crank pulley to the correct torque
Refit all covers etc should start ok
having the same exact problem right now...sending it to a mechanic to have it checked out... but thanks for sharing :)
Top dead center after the compression stroke. Its possible you might be seeing top dead center on #11 after exhaust stroke. Possibly damage to the crank sensor, cam sensor, or both?
On the 2nd attempt you didn't take the belt off. You have to have the belt off when you adjust the top to the bottom.
Mark don’t stress we’ve all been there it sounds like it’s still a tooth out as other comments advise remove everything lock it all up and refit belt
As the other guys have said before tensioning the belt crack off the top pulleys they are a interference fit with no key way then re torque
Have a great weekend mark
Thanks Martin yeah I’m doing just that buddy nice one have a great weekend buddy 👍👍
Have a chilled weekend mate, catch up next week, and don’t eat too many Easter eggs
Take the timing belt completely off as you just altered the pulley then when tighten back up its one tooth out again.
You're a tooth out, painful to watch. You didn't remove the belt when you tried to rectify it so the you're still out between the cams and the crank, there was no need to remove your crank pulley bolt again. Lock the cams, remove the belt, lock the crank against the pin and then put the belt back on
Hi mark this is what I would do lock the crankshaft with pin then un loosen the cam shaft bolts then put the plate in the end of the crankshaft then re tighten camshaft bolts before you re tighten just make sure the crankshaft has not moved I will have a look at the nm for camshaft bolts if you need them
You have just described the correct way the timing belt should be done, camshaft pulley should be counter held while bolts are torqued to 65nm. Totally agree timing is out.
Cheers Tony 👍 if he doesn't do it this way you will find that if you move the timing one tooth either way it still will not be timed properly the pully on the camshaft are probably a couple of millimeters out but that's all it takes
You need to lock the camshafts on these duratec engines, remove the cam pulleys, thread the new bolts in (you must replace the bolts with the ones from the kit) and leave the cam pulleys slack because they're floating. Tension the belt AND THEN tighten up the cam pulleys. That is how you take the slack out.
With floating pulleys, its not always possible to take the slack out at the cam end without loosening the pulleys because they can be half a tooth out and you'd never get the tension right.
Thanks Sammy the seal yeah I do see what you are saying buddy video up tonight on that fiesta 👍👍
That's what I said
Not much luck mate hope you sort it 👍🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
Hope all goes well have a look on rob nd Chris’s site they had something similar with a Volvo it’s a new vid c60 or c70 so you’ll not have to search much good luck and I think you’ll need to do a compression test in case you’ve bent a valve 👍🏻
Hi bud, you'll definitely have to remove the belt again to set it up on timing, it looks like its only a tooth out, so it shouldn't have hit any valves, but you'll need to remove the belt then reset timing and itll be 100% 👍
Thanks Darren yeah definitely sounds like a plan I’ll do that strip it down start again I will remove the belt have a great weekend buddy 👍👍
No mate absolutely no reason to remove the belt so long as the bottom pin is in place,then all you need to do is loosen both cam wheels off then the put a spanner on the camshafts then turn each cam shaft until the locking plate slides into the slots easily then re tighten the cam wheels,job done.
This should of been so easy and quick to resolve, just loosen the cam sprockets bolts, turn the cams so the plate slides in, check the lower pin, then do the cam bolts up. That’s it…..!
It’s so easy for someone that knows to say it’s so easy 🤣🤣🤣think
@@ResurwreckAutosUK you said you’d done loads? Your supposed to loosen the cam bolts anyway, put the belt on and tension, check plate and pin then do the bolts up. I’m putting this for anyone watching/ reading tbh.. not have a go. 👍
@@Roverturbo right I see
Belt got to come off to be setup correctly
What specs did you tighten the crank bolt to?
Oh Mark, gutted for you. Cambelt scare me. Well out of my comfort zone. Hopefully you’ll get to the bottom of it.
hope to get it sorted you may have do compresion test hope you have bent a value if was a sensor it will bring a fault put nothing came up but best is remove belt and start again have good weekend then start all charge up and clear mind
I always mark the pulleys and the old belt. Then transfer the marks onto the new belt. It doesn't take long to do and acts as a double check
Doesn't work with ford's no keyway on crankshaft need to lock crank with pin and straight bar across cams many a guy used tipp ex on them and blew engines
This happens when you least expect it, even to someone who's been doing it for years. At least it didn't take you long to figure it out with the Eagle eyes of a subscriber spotting it
Hi mate I can only think of the fuel pump or crankshaft sensor just don't let it play on your mind this weekend just injoy your weekend you will sort it out on Tuesday 👍
That's why you slacken the camshaft pulleys....
Do a compression test to see if you have touched a valve, these wee 16v engine tolerances are minimal when timing is out so valve to piston contact is a possibility. You may have just nicked a valve or 2, thats all it takes.
Take the belt off and start again. Then crank it round a couple of times and re check.you will sort it.have a good easter
I recently did my timing belt on a mk4 transit locked the pump ,crank and cam.fitted the new belt,turned it by hand a couple of times reinserted the pins and the cam looked like it was a tooth out.anyway started it anyway and it fired straight up.20,000 mikes later still no problems
Hi Sean nice one buddy it’s a little nerve racking when you first start it up 🤣well played 👍👍
Hi mark do compression check as it might of bent valves. Hopfully not. You should of lined the cams up like you did first time. Then set crank after loosening pully bolt as you prob got grank right now but knocked cam timming out now tho. First job is compression test
Wat do you mean dont get it
My plan would be enjoy your long weekend with the family drink beer and eat Easter egg , but have Cadbury egg not cheap egg , then get the guy up the road to look Tuesday , great plan I think 👍👍👍👍
Hi your videos are so informative weldone just a quick one fiesta 2011 1.25 petrol manual are they chain or belt
Hi mate there are belt 👍👍
your one tooth out on the belt..By rotating the cam youve just slackened the belt which will be taken back up on cranking and throw the timing back out. When fitting the belt you need to start at left cam and hold belt in place working your way around clock wise keeping the belt pulled tight.
As you said bud Thomas's fiesta didn't beat you so I'm sure this won't. Have a great weekend and start afresh on Tuesday. Catch up for brekkie soon
Should have lined u p the bottom then cracked the camshaft pulley's bolt put a spanner on each camshaft and turned until the plate fell in.
Hi Mark, if you started today with the timing out and messed about with but didn’t remove the timing belt then the timing will not have changed
Morning mark I noticed you removed all the plug leads in your previous video 🤔I’m just wondering if you have them in the correct order now you have refitted them🤔it’s an easy mistake I’ve done it in the past, 🤞🏻
It's very hard to get them wrong on these engines because they're all different lengths 👍
Did mine 2 weeks ago same issue loosen the cam bolts move them that's what I had to do aswell
U don’t actually need the rocker cover of u can just take cylinder 1 spark plug out and put a long t handle torx down the spark plug hole and turn the crank till top dead centre then tipex the the marks on the cam pulleys then turn it back put the timing pin in the crank and turn it until it stops if it hits the pin and any too dead centre and marks on cam pulleys line up the it’s top dead centre and timed. That’s how I do it and it works for me 👍
Timing is out, as someone has said, its one tooth.
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Gutted mate these things are sent to try us. Good luck don't think it's timing.
As I said in the last video you forgot a very important stage you are supposed to undo the camshaft bolts then remove the timing tensioner pin then do up the camshaft bolts you have probably bent the valve just do a compression test
timing is out. remove the belt completely. the crack pulley floats on these which is why you need to use a pin
Just make sure wee triangles are lined up
Look at live data on the maxisys for camshaft and crankshaft data. Check the spark and plugs are on the right coil pack sockets get the firing order to check this.. it do3snt sound serious
Frank Healy made. Good point
Is it on the compression top dead centre
If its out line it up each pulley then do it again full circles and that.ll be the timing lined up
just went back + watched previous episode, you had slack on the r/h side of belt. with the tools in top+ bot, that belt must be tight on driven [r/h] side. you are at least one tooth out. set to tdc by screwdriver height, take belt off + start again. it should be quite hard/ fiddly to get the belt on tight on r/h side, this is the norm. fingers crossed, as there's not much room for error with those valves.... professional techs have a bottle of tippex + strong clothespegs in their toolkit [holds the belt in place on sprockets], + dont normally loosen the top pulleys, less things to go wrong the better, cos we aint allowed to fkup...
Thanks Paul appreciate the info buddy I will start over tomorrow but I think I’ll do a compression test first just t rule that out 👍👍
Did he eventually sort it?
you will sort it mark
Thanks Chris yeah hopefully 🙏 👍👍
Mark, I don't understand how you reset the crank without removing the belt?
Or maybe I misheard you?
U slacken cam pulleys then bring engine around till it locks crank on pin then turn cams till locking bar fits across cams then tighten cam pulleys up and reset should be good
Check the firing order on the leads mark.
still one tooth out
Remove the belt before trying to turn it🤦♂️,
Start fresh pin it whip it off move the top once belts off,
Start it on the jack wouldn’t keep building it back up!
yes it is timing mate
Mark is there fuel in the car
OOer missus another jinxy non starting fiesta
Have u got the leads around the right way as in the coil pack
Don't keep running the engine. Go home, relax get a second opinion. Enjoy your family time. Next week all will be well. Frustrating for you. I know you will sort it out 👍👍
i take it there is fuel in it
defiantly timing is out 100 percent can hear it and look at idle speed on rev counter remove timing belt and start again from scratch
is all the breather pips going into the air filter
its on the wrong stroke mate
I wouldn’t come back mate ya clearly don’t have a clue
Coil pack or
Leads incorrectly fitted sounds. ,as though it’s missing one one cylinder
Could it that its out of fuel 🤔
Sounds like fuel to me. It runs so I agree timing ok. No misfire so plug leads in correct order. I would look at fueling
I just did the belt on a 2017 Ford Feista SE non-turbo. Unfortionatly the cams and crank moved a little while I was doing all this. I manually moved each cam to TDC, installed the crank pin, moved the crank until it hits it. I'm assuming I should be good to got to put it all back together. Would appreciate ur input
Hi did you remove the cam cover and fit the back plate that sits on the head and holds the cams in place if you didn’t I definitely suggest you do this sounds like the bottom end is timed now but definitely fit the plate on the cams
I did not remove the valve cover. I removed the timing belt, manually turned each cam crank with ratchet to the top dead center mark, and then installed the X tool to keep them in place. Now I installed the pin at the crank and used a ratchet to bring it around until it hit it, clockwise. The belt is on now and when I turn the crank completely around manually the two cams continue to come up top dead center.
I marked both cam gears at top dead center, installed rhe crank pin and moved rhe crank around until it tapped it. I did rotate the engine 3 or 4 times before I installed it and they both kept coming back top dead center so I felt good about it and installed the X tool. I then thought about it and figured it better to be safe than sorry so I went ahead and removed the valve cover just to male sure and they lined up. Put it all back together, started it up and seems good to go. Thanks for the response.