@@ClickbaitMotorsportsCome on Mickey Mouse Motor Sports. Admit when you're wrong. By the way. Palm Beach Dyno did multiple Dyno pulls and came up with the same 500 horsepower on the Dark Horse. CJ Pony Parts compared the S650 and S550 on an outdoor truck scale. They weighed the same.
That's still excellent & these cars will last far longer than most all other sports cars.. w/good basic maintenance . *Full Synthetic oil /Motorcraft filters every 5k mis + 89-93 octane top tier fuel* . I use Shell or ExxonMobil myself.
Could you please, please run a dyno with 87 octane and then 93 to see if there is actually a huge difference. super curious I'm sure a bunch of other mustang owners are. there aren't any good videos on this.
Thanks for the good explanation on the dual throttle body carbon traps etc can you send a link of the filters that you guys order and where can I get some also thank you
Most modern cars are underrated to compete with the Germans, which have been underrating their cars for decades. Clearly, even the 2018+ was 500hp when you calculate it properly at 17% rear wheel drive drivetrain loss (425whp/.83=500hp). 14% loss is FWD, 17% loss is RWD, and 20% is AWD. Even more loss with larger heavier wheels, which is anything larger that 17s. People have just been accustomed to expecting much higher numbers than correct, and it's like the new standard... although still underrated/incorrect. Here's an example of underrated and not underrated: Underrated: 2019 Civic Type-R 306hp=>290whp (5% loss... uhh no! It's a 335hp car, not 306hp) Not underrated, Not overrated, correct 2019 Veloster N 275hp=>235whp (14% loss)
That's quite low *parasitic loss* actually from an engineering perspective. Kudos for Ford Motor! That's a very well designed, superb performing vehicle. Can't wait to get my new gen7 '24 Mustang GT 5.0L in few mos. Even new Mustang Ecoboost is improved. Be fun, frugal ultra reliable daily driver sports car. Gen2 - 2.3L GTDI is well proven & quick.
@copperkeyracing6167 Ford Motor achieved very low parasitic losses to rear wheels. That's excellent engineering of components from an engineering perspective. Very impressive!
@GarciaQ60 Mustangs have historically been underrated.. my beloved 04 SVT Cobra terminator (4900 orig mis) stated 390hp from factory yet consistently put out near 420hp (stock) as did all others. Most of us know how well that car responded to any mods! Mine puts out a conservative 500hp+ from only $500 in mods. 💯 I will get a new gen7 '24 Mustang GT 5.0L. New 5.0L is a very impressive modern V8.
Great video!! Impressive gains for anyone to do at home. I was hoping that there would be another pull with the air box lids removed, I've seen a couple of videos with gains. Otherwise thanks for the great content Evan!
It’s a slightly revamped s550. What did people expect. S197 is the best coyote platform, imo. I run a gen 3 short block and a whipple on e85 in my 13 🤙🏼 Hey even, thanks for your contributions and passion in the mustang world. I’m an OG foxbody guy like you.
@@robfeldschun6146 never really liked the s550s either besides the Shelby’s. That’s why I waited till the s650 and I personally like the look a lot better
Part of me still wonders is if the did the dual intake setup for mostly unique + looks points. Or is there really a big advantage in the system. Like would the car make the same hp with a single intake?
@@doom_slayer_5.048 How are they "scamming people"? There are are real engineering considerations, but as an expert keyboard engineer, I'm sure you know better...
EVAN, THE TUBE THAT WENT THROUGH THE TUNNEL PORT MOTORS INTAKE RUNNER THAT HOUSED THE PUSHROD. WHEN THEY DID A FLOW TEST ON THEIR HEAD IT WAS NEGLIGIBLE. WITH IT AND WITHOUT IT THE FLOW NUMBERS WERE THE SAME.
Your car will run like pure shit on 87. Should always go with what is recommended in your manual. I haven’t seen any high performance car run smoothly with regular fuel. Buy premium there’s plenty of videos explaining why. I’ll see you at the gas station twice a week spending $70-90 depending on where you stay 😊
How did it manage to gain so much weight? I’ve seen trackpack gt500 @ 3940 stock. How in the world is this 4000lbs without a blower? I’m not feeling these weight gains.
@@truckercowboyed2638 then do a total redesign like Chevy did with the Gen 6 where the alpha chassis took 500lbs off the gen 5 camaro... I don't care where you need to get it but I'd bet those screens, wiring and electronics are a lot of it..but get it back regardless
@truckercowboyed2638 is this true? I didn't think there was a 2024 Camaro to be honest... "How much does a 2024 Camaro SS weight? 3,685 lbs The Camaro SS hits the scales at 3,685 lbs for the six-speed coupe and 3,747 lbs for the 10-speed auto" If so why did ford have to add for 2024?
I don't think many are complaining about power, they are complaining about E/T and trap speed which is what matters. I could care less if it dynoed at 1000rwhp if it's slow compared to previous gen. 2018 was trapping at 119-120mph. 3 or 4mph faster
2015 S550 was slower than the 2014 S197 and nobody said shit, all of a sudden everyone complaining 😂 It took the S550 3 years after its release, a higher compression coyote and a 10 speed transmission just to be faster than the S197.
@@Jimmyxsx what are you talking about, loads of people were talking about the slower s550. Then the 2018 rolled out and had us all grinning from ear to ear. Nobody said much about the decrease in power of the 2020 because it was advertised as such but now we have no compensation for the extra weight even with the advertised extra power which is the worst news. Because it's going to cost more to get weight moving. They should have added cube's if adding weight again. It was advertised as faster 0-60 and nobody is seeing it
@@Falcon-mc5fs 2015 was also advertised as a faster 0-60 and it was getting clapped by the s197. Where im I heading with this, since it took almost 3 years for the S550 to get fast than its probably gonna take another 3 years for the S650 to get fast as well. New performance variants are coming and with that Ford always does revisions to the Mustang Gt.
@@Jimmyxsx I get you, but just like then we're disappointed now as well. The real problem right now is weight and and we already didn't like the weight of the last car. If the new one is significantly more expensive I and many others expect more speed and I think most would argue for a focus on weight reduction with the extra money
Im right thier with ya! Used to love those magazines back in highschool, that was my proof that all the other magazines didn’t know how to run a car down the drag strip. Evan was out thier running 13s in a stock new edge GT, while the other guys where nowhere close to those numbers
@malloycade8626 Who doesn't it's hard to throw them out. It's wild to think what the pioneers like Texas Turbo and Racin Jason would be capable of if they were youngsters in this era..Deputy's times seemed so earth shattering then while today it's not even impressive..
Any chance you have already done some stock 1/4 mile runs? While you don't always set a record you're well known for running amazing times and I would love to see what this can do.
Don't always set a record against who? If it's in the Road and Track, Car and Driver World there is No clown that's ever worked at those publications that could better Evan Smith in a Mustang platform, take that to the bank..
@@stangcobra592 I meant against everyone. As far as publications go I suspect some drivers at MM&FF probably gave him some competition back in the day but otherwise you’re spot on. 🍻
Twin TB: Logic makes sense, but they could have did the old 96+ Cobra twin TBs setup with a single lever (53mm x 2) and one giant inlet w/carbon trap. It would have been simpler, more reliable and easier to modify. Instead they went with dual intake tracks which is the most complicated option and hardest to modify.
1. Highly paid engineers test this stuff so I doubt a dude typing from home is gone suggest something they haven’t tried already. 2. They don’t want people modifying it because they locked the ecu…
Two inlets with the same carbon trap is harder on the software side but not on the intake molding side. They would have had to make a massive intake tube that would be hard to package. And would still have a massive carbon trap blocking it. Also 96 cobras had dual 57mm throttle body's
Years ago when putting a square K&N in a 92' LX 5.0 I had , it started with wrestling an enormous piece of plastic out of the front passenger side fender. 🥵 😄...A Dyno on the new RTR would be cool to see as well...FORD💪💯
I wonder if someone made a Bigger diameter carbon filter area, potentially allowing more air flow before the MAF, if that would equal removing the carbon trap HP loss. Space appears to be a restricting factor there. Some say that the HP gain with K&N style filters disappears as the computer 'learns' the air flow difference. Any thoughts on that?
Very interesting. A simple and practical way to get some extra HP. If you gonna take it to the dragstrip, it would be an ideal ocassion for some racing against previous models, since everybody is arguing if the car is faster or slower... The Dark Horse has divided Mustang enthusiasts' opinions as few other models. I can't imagine a cool name.. Since its a kind of successor of the Terminator, should be called Judgement Day...
Great video guys for sure. If it had a little more octane to go in hand with the additional airflow and leave the filters exposed on the dyno it would probably make 460-465 that’s incredible there’s plenty you can do on the stock tune free flowing exhaust, Porting etc..
Ford released the encryption to the ECU/ ECM to Whipple, RTR & Ford Racing. It will take about 6 months to get the solution to the tuners. Be patient!!!
I want to know how they came to believe that gas and emissions would exit through the air filter when the engine is running with intake vacuum at 28 in/hg? It seems more likely to go through the engine before the air filter.
@@BC08 Of course, obviously there's reasons - more head flow too, and an intake manifold with actually useful runner length lol. Or we could just compare it to a 550 or 662HP GT500. But it's still wild that it's an NA 5.0l compared to a blown 5.4l. 15 years isn't a short amount of time, but it isn't a long amount of time either, the auto industry has made some huge leaps. I mean, we have a non-limited production NA Mustang that makes 100HP/liter, this is ridiculous. Wasn't that long ago that the wheezy ass 300-315HP 3v was the standard V8.
@@RyTrapp0 On Ron Robert’s old flow bench head flow is pretty much a wash. He had a Superflow and ran everything @ 28”with most of the Modular stuff on a 3.552 bore plate Stock supercar heads: ~305/230 Gen 1 Coyotes: ~295/200 I think the Gen 2-3 stuff might have cracked 310 on the intake but the exhaust port stayed pretty similar to Gen 1 (small), based on memory. Ron also had a port program with +2mm valves that took the Supercar heads to ~400/350. Coyote castings can’t touch that (even Voodoo) especially on that exhaust port even with comparable port work.
My fox could only dream of this kind of power from the factory. Still fun to drive though and it still looks pretty and that makes me happy. And yes, it is a V8 with a manual transmission.
This isn't a review. I'm presenting the facts and you can form your own opinion. If it made a number that didn't equate to 500 at the crank I'd report it as such. It's called honest reporting.
@@revanevan I didnt state that this was a review more of a thought, but now that you mentioned it are you promoting or showing ppl how to remove federally mandated emissions systems on youtube.
This maybe stupid. But isn’t that thing still in the break in period?? Isn’t pushing the engine this hard bad the the long term life? Idk I’ve heard mixed things
Nice gains. Can't wait to see some 1/4 mile runs!
Very cool thanks for sharing
I'm impressed on the gains with so little effort. I can't wait to see full builds.
Ford employees are funny. 😂
@@ClickbaitMotorsportsCome on Mickey Mouse Motor Sports. Admit when you're wrong. By the way. Palm Beach Dyno did multiple Dyno pulls and came up with the same 500 horsepower on the Dark Horse.
CJ Pony Parts compared the S650 and S550 on an outdoor truck scale. They weighed the same.
@FORTNITEGUY023thats what i heard too but a complete ecu change ... i cant see how a true tuner wouldnt be able to bypass everything in it
@@ClickbaitMotorsports Why?
No clue what they changed, but the stock exhaust sounds to be the best I’ve heard so far on a coyote… 👍
So taking carbon traps out and putting high flow air filter on it finally matches Mach 1 WHP at 450. Not bad, still slower with the extra weight.
That's still excellent & these cars will last far longer than most all other sports cars.. w/good basic maintenance . *Full Synthetic oil /Motorcraft filters every 5k mis + 89-93 octane top tier fuel* . I use Shell or ExxonMobil myself.
Low parasitic loss = excellent engineering. Kudos to Ford Motor! 💯
Nice video with good baseline dyno run and quick, cheap easy mods showing the gains!
Can you please share with us the exact part number for the K&N filters?
Project crazy horse
There should be no other name love the content man
Could you please, please run a dyno with 87 octane and then 93 to see if there is actually a huge difference. super curious I'm sure a bunch of other mustang owners are. there aren't any good videos on this.
Free gains are always awesome. Great video, guys.
Thanks for doing this videio. Can you add a link to the filters you used?
Thanks for the good explanation on the dual throttle body carbon traps etc can you send a link of the filters that you guys order and where can I get some also thank you
500 x .88 = 440. So 12% drivetrain loss it’s right on advertised fwhp.
Most modern cars are underrated to compete with the Germans, which have been underrating their cars for decades. Clearly, even the 2018+ was 500hp when you calculate it properly at 17% rear wheel drive drivetrain loss (425whp/.83=500hp). 14% loss is FWD, 17% loss is RWD, and 20% is AWD. Even more loss with larger heavier wheels, which is anything larger that 17s. People have just been accustomed to expecting much higher numbers than correct, and it's like the new standard... although still underrated/incorrect.
Here's an example of underrated and not underrated:
Underrated:
2019 Civic Type-R 306hp=>290whp (5% loss... uhh no! It's a 335hp car, not 306hp)
Not underrated, Not overrated, correct
2019 Veloster N
275hp=>235whp (14% loss)
This is a high reading dyno. They consistently measure 425whp.
That's quite low *parasitic loss* actually from an engineering perspective. Kudos for Ford Motor! That's a very well designed, superb performing vehicle. Can't wait to get my new gen7 '24 Mustang GT 5.0L in few mos. Even new Mustang Ecoboost is improved. Be fun, frugal ultra reliable daily driver sports car. Gen2 - 2.3L GTDI is well proven & quick.
@copperkeyracing6167 Ford Motor achieved very low parasitic losses to rear wheels. That's excellent engineering of components from an engineering perspective. Very impressive!
@GarciaQ60 Mustangs have historically been underrated.. my beloved 04 SVT Cobra terminator (4900 orig mis) stated 390hp from factory yet consistently put out near 420hp (stock) as did all others. Most of us know how well that car responded to any mods! Mine puts out a conservative 500hp+ from only $500 in mods. 💯 I will get a new gen7 '24 Mustang GT 5.0L. New 5.0L is a very impressive modern V8.
love this video, so much great information.
Thank you.
Great video!! Impressive gains for anyone to do at home. I was hoping that there would be another pull with the air box lids removed, I've seen a couple of videos with gains. Otherwise thanks for the great content Evan!
Much appreciated, thanks.
Illegal to remove emissions equipment and will have massive air codes after removal.
Great video REVan..Ford to the front 100%
Thank you.
I had a Nissan 370Z which had dual throttle bodies. It's very good for twin turbos.
I just bought the 2024 GT and I was think twin turbos are the way to go with the dual throttle bodies
The new GR86/BRZ have a carbon panel filter in the airbox as well. If you remove it, you gain approx. 10whp.
It’s a slightly revamped s550. What did people expect.
S197 is the best coyote platform, imo. I run a gen 3 short block and a whipple on e85 in my 13 🤙🏼
Hey even, thanks for your contributions and passion in the mustang world. I’m an OG foxbody guy like you.
So since you had a S197 that makes it the best.😂😂😂
And I have a sick foxbody.
Mustang owner since 1991 and yes S197’s and foxbody’s are the best. And yes, my opinion is way more valid than yours.
I love my 13’ to death and will never sell it but there’s no denying the s550/650 is a much better platform. Especially handling
My 13 is built for straight line power.
Besides, anything 15 and up is fugly, imo
@@robfeldschun6146 never really liked the s550s either besides the Shelby’s. That’s why I waited till the s650 and I personally like the look a lot better
Is adaptive octane logic enabled thats main thing i want to know....
Nice tests. Thanks!
Part of me still wonders is if the did the dual intake setup for mostly unique + looks points. Or is there really a big advantage in the system. Like would the car make the same hp with a single intake?
Emissions dude dual carbon traps that’s the reason so it can flow the same as a single it’s stupid ford is scamming people
@@doom_slayer_5.048 How are they "scamming people"? There are are real engineering considerations, but as an expert keyboard engineer, I'm sure you know better...
@@buckhorncortez I’m sure you’re just as retarded
@@doom_slayer_5.048 How is Ford scamming people?
Ford isn't scamming its the dumbass epa bullshit regulations that ford's working around...
EVAN, THE TUBE THAT WENT THROUGH THE TUNNEL PORT MOTORS INTAKE RUNNER THAT HOUSED THE PUSHROD. WHEN THEY DID A FLOW TEST ON THEIR HEAD IT WAS NEGLIGIBLE. WITH IT AND WITHOUT IT THE FLOW NUMBERS WERE THE SAME.
Exciting stuff!! Can't wait to see what it does on the track
Well I’m sold (already was). Definitely want the dark horse
Can’t believe Sam bought a blue car. Looks beautiful buddy.
Thanks for sharing guys.
Wonder if the dealerships will get pressure to deny claims over the filter removal
Came like that from the factory. ...
Removal*
What fuel would you recommend running this car daily. Like would 93 help the longevity of the car or is 87 just fine
Your car will run like pure shit on 87. Should always go with what is recommended in your manual. I haven’t seen any high performance car run smoothly with regular fuel. Buy premium there’s plenty of videos explaining why. I’ll see you at the gas station twice a week spending $70-90 depending on where you stay 😊
91-93
GOOD KNOWLEDGE JUST LIKED & SUBSCRIBED
Thank you!
Will it void the warranty?
Project Ember Heard!
What kind of filter are those ?? Brand and part # ??
Shouldn’t you dyno it after it’s broken in a little?
Yep. Should put 1,000 miles before anything...😒😶🤔
Yes
When you remove the carbon traps.... does it throw any codes on map sensors or anything else?
Excellent video thank you.
You're welcome.
Sweet! Going down to do it now..
What do ppl tune the gt500 redline to? Higher than 7500??
How did it manage to gain so much weight? I’ve seen trackpack gt500 @ 3940 stock. How in the world is this 4000lbs without a blower? I’m not feeling these weight gains.
Electronics
Safety tech added more emissions compliance technology, thank California and Cafe for it weighing so much as well as SAE regulations....
@@truckercowboyed2638 then do a total redesign like Chevy did with the Gen 6 where the alpha chassis took 500lbs off the gen 5 camaro...
I don't care where you need to get it but I'd bet those screens, wiring and electronics are a lot of it..but get it back regardless
@truckercowboyed2638 is this true? I didn't think there was a 2024 Camaro to be honest...
"How much does a 2024 Camaro SS weight?
3,685 lbs
The Camaro SS hits the scales at 3,685 lbs for the six-speed coupe and 3,747 lbs for the 10-speed auto"
If so why did ford have to add for 2024?
Camaro went on the alpha chassis in 2016.
What do these weigh now?
I don't think many are complaining about power, they are complaining about E/T and trap speed which is what matters. I could care less if it dynoed at 1000rwhp if it's slow compared to previous gen. 2018 was trapping at 119-120mph. 3 or 4mph faster
2015 S550 was slower than the 2014 S197 and nobody said shit, all of a sudden everyone complaining 😂 It took the S550 3 years after its release, a higher compression coyote and a 10 speed transmission just to be faster than the S197.
@@Jimmyxsxright. this shit barely beats a boss 302 that's over 10 years old
@@Jimmyxsx what are you talking about, loads of people were talking about the slower s550. Then the 2018 rolled out and had us all grinning from ear to ear. Nobody said much about the decrease in power of the 2020 because it was advertised as such but now we have no compensation for the extra weight even with the advertised extra power which is the worst news. Because it's going to cost more to get weight moving. They should have added cube's if adding weight again. It was advertised as faster 0-60 and nobody is seeing it
@@Falcon-mc5fs 2015 was also advertised as a faster 0-60 and it was getting clapped by the s197. Where im I heading with this, since it took almost 3 years for the S550 to get fast than its probably gonna take another 3 years for the S650 to get fast as well. New performance variants are coming and with that Ford always does revisions to the Mustang Gt.
@@Jimmyxsx I get you, but just like then we're disappointed now as well. The real problem right now is weight and and we already didn't like the weight of the last car. If the new one is significantly more expensive I and many others expect more speed and I think most would argue for a focus on weight reduction with the extra money
Outstanding video, as always with Evan. Read every issue of MM&FF back in the day, while piloting my 84 Mustang GT
Thank you!
Im right thier with ya! Used to love those magazines back in highschool, that was my proof that all the other magazines didn’t know how to run a car down the drag strip. Evan was out thier running 13s in a stock new edge GT, while the other guys where nowhere close to those numbers
I have boxes and boxes of them still!
@malloycade8626 Who doesn't it's hard to throw them out. It's wild to think what the pioneers like Texas Turbo and Racin Jason would be capable of if they were youngsters in this era..Deputy's times seemed so earth shattering then while today it's not even impressive..
Just a quick question, is it normal to put a car on a dyno before it goes through the break in period?
Do the different exhaust settings effect hp?
I am going to get one of these Dark Horses in the near future...can you work that engine for me?
Do you guys have the part # for the k&n filters on these? They aren’t on K&N site yet
Is it worth buying over the 2024 mustang gt ?
Did your dyno guy skateboard back in the 80s? That Coastal Dyno logo looks a whole lot like the old Santa Cruz skateboards logo! 💯
Do you have a part number for the air filters?
What’s the part number on the filters?
RU-1037
I pulled my carb out of my 22 Mach 1 hp and notice a difference in acceleration.
Hey what air filter did y’all use
RU-1037
@@coastalchassisdyno545 thank you 🙏🏽
Does it or will it make a difference with removing the air box lids with the filter exhange?
maybe .05 at a BMP test and tune Sat morning in January, otherwise you might see a couple hp on the dyno.
How did you get the dyno control on the laptop. I wanna do that with our shop dyno
What filter did you purchase? Id love to throw some in my Dark Horse but don't know what to get
RU-1037
Just do a k and n drop in filter, best airflow in stock box and compares to a CAI without all the heatsoak
@@sirseven3did you even watch the video? The airbox houses conical filters from the factory. Doesn't accept panel filters.
@@pimpovic2 and there won't be a k and n design ever for this one mustang? Weird how that one works out
Any chance you have already done some stock 1/4 mile runs? While you don't always set a record you're well known for running amazing times and I would love to see what this can do.
Not yet, but it's coming.
@@revanevan I’m here for it!!! Can’t wait
@@S8ERstangmode
Don't always set a record against who? If it's in the Road and Track, Car and Driver World there is No clown that's ever worked at those publications that could better Evan Smith in a Mustang platform, take that to the bank..
@@stangcobra592 I meant against everyone. As far as publications go I suspect some drivers at MM&FF probably gave him some competition back in the day but otherwise you’re spot on. 🍻
The dual throttle body could also provide better intake air velocity at low rpm if we can get it figured out
Got me excited! Don’t joke around about adding boost man!! 😂 what a beautiful car. Looking forward to this build.
Twin TB: Logic makes sense, but they could have did the old 96+ Cobra twin TBs setup with a single lever (53mm x 2) and one giant inlet w/carbon trap. It would have been simpler, more reliable and easier to modify. Instead they went with dual intake tracks which is the most complicated option and hardest to modify.
"could have did..." Now, that's some gooder English...
1. Highly paid engineers test this stuff so I doubt a dude typing from home is gone suggest something they haven’t tried already. 2. They don’t want people modifying it because they locked the ecu…
Two inlets with the same carbon trap is harder on the software side but not on the intake molding side. They would have had to make a massive intake tube that would be hard to package. And would still have a massive carbon trap blocking it. Also 96 cobras had dual 57mm throttle body's
Years ago when putting a square K&N in a 92' LX 5.0 I had , it started with wrestling an enormous piece of plastic out of the front passenger side fender. 🥵 😄...A Dyno on the new RTR would be cool to see as well...FORD💪💯
I wonder if someone made a Bigger diameter carbon filter area, potentially allowing more air flow before the MAF, if that would equal removing the carbon trap HP loss. Space appears to be a restricting factor there. Some say that the HP gain with K&N style filters disappears as the computer 'learns' the air flow difference. Any thoughts on that?
Project Blue BALLZ!!! - THX for the content!
Very interesting. A simple and practical way to get some extra HP. If you gonna take it to the dragstrip, it would be an ideal ocassion for some racing against previous models, since everybody is arguing if the car is faster or slower... The Dark Horse has divided Mustang enthusiasts' opinions as few other models.
I can't imagine a cool name.. Since its a kind of successor of the Terminator, should be called Judgement Day...
With camaro and challenger terminated by 2024, too.
Best explanation as to the two throttle bodies to date. 👌🏼
Just curious, why are they redlining it with 26 miles on the odometer?
Why not? Break a car in the way you intend to drive. I break all my mustangs in at the drag strip.
Mod nationals is when and where?
$79,000 at my local dealer…a goddamn joke
No kidding. 83-88 and you're in a nicely equipped M3 competition. Not really sure what ford is thinking.
Anyone know what aftermarket corn filters are those, I want to get em for my gt.
Looked like K&N
Great video guys for sure. If it had a little more octane to go in hand with the additional airflow and leave the filters exposed on the dyno it would probably make 460-465 that’s incredible there’s plenty you can do on the stock tune free flowing exhaust, Porting etc..
Yes, That specific K&N allows you to keep filter exposed... Had that set up on a 94' Cobra trying desperately to reach 300 HP ...🤨
@@robertcopes1185I mean the covers here in the s650. They dyno higher with them off
EXCELLENT!!! Content!!! Guys!!!
What does taking these carbon traps out do to the warranty?
Ford bans you from buying one of their vehicles again
Ford released the encryption to the ECU/ ECM to Whipple, RTR & Ford Racing. It will take about 6 months to get the solution to the tuners. Be patient!!!
What does it run at the track
Did you watch the video?
Project Blue Thunder
Project Blue BALLZ!!!
That is one gnarly horse! ❤️🔥
Name ideas!
Cindercorn
Cimmerian
Cerulusian
The Mistral Stallion
Tizerus
Gulltoppr
Frightmare
i wonder what it would pick up with e-85, less restrictive exhaust and an actual tune.
I just subscribed ❤
Thank you David.
Love it guys!!! Dark horse fighter!!!
The filter part number is RU-1037
Great video. I go back and forth on liking this car, but I do love the engine and drivetrain. Encouraging results.
My 15 428/402...18 mani pmas cai bbk LTH...cat delete...no dyno tune yet...just tune for 18 mani w/lockouts n cat tune..5th gear pull
I want to know how they came to believe that gas and emissions would exit through the air filter when the engine is running with intake vacuum at 28 in/hg? It seems more likely to go through the engine before the air filter.
They're probably to catch fumes after you turn off the engine.
Blue blood because it’s royalty
Awesome Sam is the man!
Thanks for doing a good, through "magazine style", in-depth video. Nice to see the progression and incremental HP and Tq improvements. Good stuff!
Nice to see a 6 speed. I love stangs.
Made the same rwhp horsepower as a 2007 Gt 500.
NA with less displacement - wild!
@@RyTrapp0 More compression, more cam and a whole lot more RPM
@@BC08 Of course, obviously there's reasons - more head flow too, and an intake manifold with actually useful runner length lol. Or we could just compare it to a 550 or 662HP GT500.
But it's still wild that it's an NA 5.0l compared to a blown 5.4l. 15 years isn't a short amount of time, but it isn't a long amount of time either, the auto industry has made some huge leaps. I mean, we have a non-limited production NA Mustang that makes 100HP/liter, this is ridiculous. Wasn't that long ago that the wheezy ass 300-315HP 3v was the standard V8.
@@RyTrapp0 On Ron Robert’s old flow bench head flow is pretty much a wash.
He had a Superflow and ran everything @ 28”with most of the Modular stuff on a 3.552 bore plate
Stock supercar heads: ~305/230
Gen 1 Coyotes: ~295/200
I think the Gen 2-3 stuff might have cracked 310 on the intake but the exhaust port stayed pretty similar to Gen 1 (small), based on memory.
Ron also had a port program with +2mm valves that took the Supercar heads to ~400/350. Coyote castings can’t touch that (even Voodoo) especially on that exhaust port even with comparable port work.
Good stuff fellas
My fox could only dream of this kind of power from the factory. Still fun to drive though and it still looks pretty and that makes me happy. And yes, it is a V8 with a manual transmission.
could you please give us the part number or link to the airlifter
RU-1037
@@coastalchassisdyno545 thank you I appreciate it. I just ordered them through O’Reillys. I’m putting them on my 24 mustang GT.
is that a normal amount of HP loss even with a manual transmission ?
Yes.
@@revanevan , oh wow, I thought it would be much less 🤷♂️
Project Superior Stallion?
Project Blue Magic 🎉🎉🎉🎉
I wonder if REVan has ever or will ever give a ford product a negative review?
This isn't a review. I'm presenting the facts and you can form your own opinion. If it made a number that didn't equate to 500 at the crank I'd report it as such. It's called honest reporting.
@@revanevan I didnt state that this was a review more of a thought, but now that you mentioned it are you promoting or showing ppl how to remove federally mandated emissions systems on youtube.
Anyone have a part number for the filters
This maybe stupid. But isn’t that thing still in the break in period?? Isn’t pushing the engine this hard bad the the long term life? Idk I’ve heard mixed things
New cars with modern machining and rings break in much faster than older cars.
I thought them oil filters weren’t good and dirty up throttle body and intake?
Question: Will the car still be able to pass emission tests if the carbon filters are removed?
The traps capture vapors once the engine is shut off, they don’t effect tailpipe emissions.
Good video!
Good stuff. Sub'd.
Thank you! Glad you enjoy!