The Terms and Conditions on the Official Helldivers 2 website always mandated a PSN account in order to play it. You can use the wayback machine back to last year and see that it is indeed there. It is only on the Playstation website that was not updated because when they first initiated their PC release of games, they were only Single Player Games. We can't really say it was a bait and switch when it was always included in the T&C when you initially bought the game. Let's be honest, anyone who can't play the game deserves a full refund and has a legitimate reason to complain. But anyone complaining about having to create an online PSN account for playing a game is reaching, it literally has been the norm even in the 90s with Star Craft and Diablo 2 with Battle Net, this isn't anything new and very much expected at this point. You buy a game based on the Terms and Conditions of the game when you first play it, it was always there and you knew at one point you had to have a PSN account. So make a fake one if you don't trust Sony with your information. Honestly you should not trust any company with any of your personal information because of how rampant online hacking is, literally every big chain franchise like Target, Walmart, Best Buy and more have all been hacked at some point.
@@HawnkoxticBlackmorth4444 you can be critical without being a misogynist. Just say 'karen'. Corporations aren't people. They're capitalistic machines that only care about money. The people making these decisions aren't "asking to speak to a manager", they are the manager. So, really, they're more like a shitty parent if anything.
The Terms and Conditions on the Official Helldivers 2 website always mandated a PSN account in order to play it. You can use the wayback machine back to last year and see that it is indeed there. It is only on the Playstation website that was not updated because when they first initiated their PC release of games, they were only Single Player Games. We can't really say it was a bait and switch when it was always included in the T&C when you initially bought the game. Let's be honest, anyone who can't play the game deserves a full refund and has a legitimate reason to complain. But anyone complaining about having to create an online PSN account for playing a game is reaching, it literally has been the norm even in the 90s with Star Craft and Diablo 2 with Battle Net, this isn't anything new and very much expected at this point.
> Release one of the best games in years, strong contender for GOTY. > Sensible monetization, steady updates, good things in the future in terms of content. > One of the best player communities on a MP game I have seen in years. Sony: "Lmao, watch this!"
hard disagree on sensible monetization. just because there are plenty of other examples that are much worse, doesn't make this sensible/reasonable/okay. MTX belong in f2p games. you pay a not-insignificant box price here. stop with that defeatist, pathetic mentality of saying it's okay, just because others are even shittier.
@@FackeYu have you played the game? You can unlock the warbonds for free just by playing the game and collecting supercredits. So purchasing anything in the game with real money is optional. The "grind" doesn't take long at all either.
@@FackeYu lol what? I have every warbond and every superstore item and I've never spent a single cent other than purchasing the game. Seems fine too me
@@FackeYu You can earn the "premium" currency just by playing the game though , buying super credits is only if you want those items faster , so IMO main commenter was right about saying sensible
@@FackeYu dude stfu its more then real what he said, i got the game for 30$ and never had to buy anything else in the game, it gives you credits just for playing. So stfu with that argument
@@yes21g oh i'm absolutely gonna play until they kick me out. I'm betting sony loses their nerve against the helldivers. Not gonna forfeit my progress until I see the whites of their eyes.
@@VirtyRanger I hope so, Arrowhead did say leaving negative reviews helps their argument at the negotiation table with Sony, I hope everyone helps out.
@@_Cetarial on my understanding Blizzard didn't do nothing like this leave people without a game after paying for it? And Ubisoft telling the consumers you don't have to own you games for shit like this happening after you pay for it? This is why we don't like companies like Sony or Ubisoft they're not your friends and clearly are the worse, yes more than Blizzard
Someone at Sony is about to lose their job. Biggest blunder of the year: ALL they had to do, was leave it alone and they couldve just reaped the rewards. They couldve just said: No PSN, no cross-play
I never thought that a publisher could out-do Blizzard, in terms of fumbling the bag, & killing the potential of their golden goose. Literally, numbers in players is the life blood of this PvE game. It was the fantasy of having a huge chunk of people coming together for a common goal that made this game feel special, and now, that fantasy just feels broken for me.
Hey hey friend. Don't be so glum. That spirit of cooperation is still alive. Look and see how many divers are shouting to not leave their fellows behind. We're all still working for a common goal. If the game does unfortunately falls we'll re-group and find somewhere else to spread democracy. #NoHelldiverLeftBehind
This might actually be the greatest f up since blizzard ran Overwatch into the ground. Edit: just my opinion, but when they stopped all work on one, barely any characters or maps and the same seasonal game modes for a long time, that’s when it started dying. At one point they had insane player numbers.
I never got this one. Overwatch was 20€ before and went completly free. Game is in a better state than overwatch 1 was for years when it comes to hero PICKRATE diversity.
@@sac-_ A good minority of people realize this already. There are plenty of people however who either welcome it, or wont care until it effects them. One will ask: 'wait I thought I was going to be a badass?" as they work a 20 hour shift before getting shot in the head for asking for a raise or "I did not sign up for this!" As they watch the status quo that gave them a good life melt before them. As everything they took for granted disappears for the rest of their life. The only people who truly look forward for this are the megalomaniacs who want power above all else, and enjoy the thought of being able to lord over others at the threat of them being hurt if they don't comply. Money is just their weapon.
_Here's where Sony is caught in a lie:_ _In their announcement, they stated they were always intending to do this, and it was simply because of a technical issue that they didn't. However - if this was the case, that means they would have limited their sales of the game to regions where players could make a PSN account from the start._ _They didn't. Therefore, they must have been lying._
sorry bud but not true even though I don’t agree with Sony, but the reason why they disabled the psn account bs is because of the explosion of players and the huge issue with cross play in the early weeks of helldivers
@@shanman3 its not the reason to not block game to nation that didnt support PSN. If Sony didnt have any though to scam player on steam since beginning game early acces then they Will block acces to non supported PSN region.
@@star0794 let’s think logically, you think the greedy corp cares about the game being blocked when on the contrary they are able to obtain higher account activations and tracking? they’ve already hit a goldmine with the game being higher than expectations now they are trying to bite more than they can chew, it would’ve been done earlier if cross play worked properly and didn’t threaten the downfall of the game right outta the gate
@@shanman3 Would it not be easier to have the PSN enabled so as to slow down the influx of players to a much more manageable degree? How does disabling something that is allegedly "required" and "helps make things more secure" do anything to aid with a flood of players when all it's doing is exacerbate the problem by allowing even MORE players to get the game in droves? The argument is counter intuitive no matter what way you slice it. "Yes officer I was having a problem with slowing down my car's speed so I removed the breaks entirely" Uh huh, sure you did. I'm not one to assume malice before incompetence but don't be naive, this is 100% a mix of both of those things.
Would be cool if a community that retook the Creek and terminated two billion bugs - both within hours - had the power to impress a real-life villainous corporation into changing its decisions. And although I doubt that this is actually going to happen, I'm still happy and proud for having been an active part of said community (even if that was just for a comparibly short time and might end soon). Helldivers 2 was the best upset-game I came across for almost 15 years.
I came in late and missed the Creek. I only played for a month, but it was the best game I've played in so long. I'm going to hate seeing the active helldivers number drop, after barely getting to see the potential of this nearly perfect game.
"community that retook the Creek and terminated two billion bugs - both within hours - had the power to impress a real-life villainous corporation into changing its decisions." bro its a video game chill out 💀
@@vinnsterpj for some people, it's not just a game though. In the coming weeks, people who saved and paid hard earned money just to be able to play the game wont be able to do so anymore.
@@vinnsterpj Learn to enjoy your life. It's a game that people got immersed in, and the Creek and 2 billion bugs thing was a big feeling of comradery for the player base.
Any change in ToS is a change in a legal contract. The options should always be "Accept" or "Reject and receive full refund". Companies have been abusing this for far too long now and need to be held responsible.
Sadly some TOS agreements also include a "we can change the TOS as we like clause". Should that be legal? No. Do companies get away with it all the time, even in court? Absolutely.The gaming industry especially is ripe with this abuse (look at Unity)
@@BritBox777 They only get away with it legally because they settle out of court. If one of these ever ran full course it could easily and almost certainly result in the "We can change the contract at any time" being ruled as inequitable. Which is why they pay massive sums to settle out of court.
@@BritBox777just because they put it there doesnt make it legal, the laws for legal contracts are pretty set in stone and cant be overruled by other things
I agree that one party shouldn't be allowed to change an agreement without the consent of the other, and if they change it anyway they would be breaking the contract and should therefore be obligated to refund the product.
With how much support Helldivers got for NOT using consumer-hostile monetisation, and how much corps like Sony are relying on those tactics in live service, I wouldn't be shocked if this was an intentional decision to kill Helldivers 2 and protect their toxic business model.
instead they've pissed off a quarter million people who actively play the game alone... For reference, that's 10% of the population of australia, give or take
@@kaelanirevyruun1676 and also gave a huge warning for future customers to not buy their games, because Sony can just decide to change things on the fly, not giving any efs
yes and no, arrowhead is the developer Sony is the publisher, any dispute would need to be handled based on the terms in the contract. Sony tends to make their contracts iron clad so that developers have no path for restitution if Sony screws them.
Arrowhead no, but folks in EU can take Sony to court for changing EULA. That one change in EULA can either sink Helldivers completely because of refunds or force Sony to change policy.
@@lordsetarurare The answer is a big no, because the issue here isn't that Sony is the publisher, it's that Sony also OWNS the Helldivers IP. If Helldivers was owned by Arrowhead it would be a very different situation.
Nope, Sony owns the game, devs have 0 say in anything, even stuff like monthly warbonds and superstore items was actually enforced by Sony, if Sony wanted to pull the plug on the game and turn off the servers at this moment, they technically could.
New twitter post from the ceo: “Is this the moment to tweet "What? You guys don't have phones?" On serious note: We are talking solutions with PlayStation, especially for non-PSN countries. Your voice has been heard, and I am doing everything I can to speak for the community - but I don't have the final say.”
@jacklint8187 it's not their game. Sony owns it. They developed it on behalf of Sony using money Sony gave them. Does a contractor own a house that he was paid to build?
Helldivers 1 was PS3 exclusive. I played with my wife and friends from the one account (on one console) sharing all purchased dlc. After migration to PS4 Sony forced everyone to login in a separate PSN account even while playing on one console. So, we had to register some accounts just for that. There is someone obsessed with amount of PSN accounts in Sony.
@@ItsAmateurHour101 Nah Sony is too big to fall, BUT they had a really good game, potentially game of the year but now it is bombed with negative reviews and refunds plus hopefully lawsuits eg out of latvia.
@@ItsAmateurHour101 Considering they said the PSN changes were always intended and still sold Helldivers 2 in countries where PSN isn’t available, there is legitimate solid grounds for a class action lawsuit. So yes, those pc babies DO have what it takes to actually make Sony feel this
@@ItsAmateurHour101 You really think Sony needs anyone's help in bringing it down? They are doing it themselves. They haven't made money in over a *decade*, the only division of Sony that makes any money consistently is Playstation and even their profit is slowly dropping. They've been slowly dying for the past 15 years.
Following this debacle, why would any studio want Sony as a publisher when they clearly demonstrated that they only care about showing PSN accounts numbers to their shareholders and personal datas to sell...
You would be suprised they are the biggest share of the console market and Japanese companies prefer to stick with Japanese companies. So Sony can do whatever they want and their fans will praise them like gods. Heck their are right now asking for Microsoft to drop out of the console business
Great handling for Valve for accepting refunds with players over 90+ hours on the game. They knew that if they refused this they'd received some backlash too. Valve being Valve always playing it safe and keeping players on their side even if it's a revenue loss for them. Now everyone is just looking at Sony in a bad spot.
@@legomenjj quit spamming your garbage nonsense on every comment. sony is the distributor, not steam. steam is just an avenue, much like their own website. there is no doubt a clause in the contract that you sign with steam when you publish a game holding you at fault if you do something like this. sony had the ability to disable the countries from buying the game and they chose not to. steam only did it on their own to protect themselves from any sort of possible negligence.
A small part of me hopes that there's a Steam content moderator who's also a Helldiver, saw this situation unfold and thought to themselves "Oh, I can definitely do something about this" and went right after Sony in the wallet.
@@sillybugger3641 Oh, Spitz was saying to us to leave bad reviews and refund the game, just in very snarky tone with him pressing the players to do it, while offending them
Problem is that you guys keep thinking that you are making Sony suffer while in reality you are taking that money straight from Arrowhead. Sony won't care. They have been a shitty company for years and that won't change them @@Technoanima
Does the refund work after 100hrs in playing the game? Or we have to come up with a masterclass level of essay for steam to actually accept the refund request?
The main problem I have with it is that Sony is notoriously bad with their security. You link a PSN to your Steam, and now your Steam account is vulnerable.
This is quite literally what the developers need to do. They probably need to get serious legal representation to get out of the contracts that probably signed over the next 5 games in the series to Sony.
Precisely. Back when physical media was a thing, the copyright of music tried to prevent people "lending" their copies to people. I own this, but can't lend it to a mate because they would rather my friend also buy it? LOL. Rebellion > blind acceptance. Digital media is only looked at as bad thing when corporations have to accept making less money than they did with physical products. They don't care about the artists or the consumers.
Mate it bans you for using VPN's doesn't it. It's like against "Sony's" terms of Service to use those things. Also a lot of people tend to forget about that stuff costing money
Not only cost money, but your account will be banned for using a vpn as it breaks their tos. There is a Chinese guy lost his account after it was discovered he was using a vpn to make a psn.
I actually love how Gabe was like, “Oh PS you wanna play around? You don’t wanna play ball for your own players? Okay. I’ll make the decision for you.”
More likely they want to limit damage to Steam. I suspect that how the refund system works that Valve has to use it's own money to give refunds to players before it has possibility to get compensated from the publisher especially if the transaction happened days/weeks/months ago. That money has long ago been moved forward to developer/publisher over certain time. So Steam pulled the plug from areas they practically have to give refunds to players no matter what to minimize any new damage.
140 hours, had unlocked all the warbonds, but to support my fellow Skull Admirals who got forced out of the game, I have too, requested to get the refund and retire from my post to go back to civilian life. Its was a fun run.
@@sammymilanovic9124 oh yea. When the review got bad and slowly people are just leaving the game, how're you going to complete the major orders like we used to. The bugs and crashes issues didn't get fix, there's no transparency and I doubt the accuracy of the armors and weapons too, at times with stealth nerf or changes for repeatedly 1-2 months now. Carry on soldier, I'm the stupid one, for sure.
I saw a someone post that they contacted their local PDPO, and the office agreed that complaint is valid enough to warrant a meeting with PDPO to further investigate the matter, so it looks like the EU might get involved.
I feel like it's more likely to be Valve pulling the plug. They're seeing a massive spike in negative reviews on a high profile game, and probably getting a bunch of refund requests for it as well. It makes sense for them to try and limit future harm and their own liability in distributing the game in non-PSN regions that Sony now wants to ban.
@@dylandang7365 I don't think Sony gives a fuck about them regardless of who did it lmao, especially when they're telling people from certain regions they can only make a PSN account by buying a PS5 and making it on that.
Suspect its Steam since they are legally potentially liable for False advertising and it might go into a lawsuit over European or Australian consumer protection laws
@@hujron They might suffer but remember they are a Platform. They 100% goin to have same route as google etc. The one who loss is actually Sony, because Steam realize these Corp tryin to pull a stunt. While Steam/Valve goin to pay some things, its better sooner than later yet community people still support them. Sony ? Nah i dont think so, thats why Ubisoft/Sony etc want to capitalize older game since they know they getting soo dry for the moment.
It’s crazy how we now live in the video game era where you buy a game as one thing it might be great, then maybe a week or a month later it’s completely a different thing and not the thing you brought it for originally
They built a game designed around "doing your part" and instilled a feeling of community. They focused that community to work together to overcome outrageous odds which in turn fostered a greater sense of comradery. Then they shit on a section of said player base and expect us to ignore it? I've done my part by leaving a negative review and uninstalling the game. Are you doing your part?
It literally hurts, one of the last games I invested real time in. I’m in my 30s I can’t drop hundreds of hours again. It’s watching something that was a cultural phenomenon being destroyed by fuking greed
I feel the same way. I don’t get invested in games like i did as a kid anymore. This game gave me that feeling again, the community was fantastic, the developers actually put effort into making a good game. And now I’ve lost all faith in finding something to replicate that feeling i had as a kid again
Feels man. This is one of the first few games thats made me feel like a kid again. The last one for me was Garden Warfare 2 and Sony is stripping that away.
I second that, it felt like hype I never really experienced before (I was always late to arrive when games exploded), and I am in my 30s too. It felt awesome, seeing the game progressing and players actually making the game great. Farewell, we will remember you HD2
I feel you man. I work 40 hours every week but I still would put hours into this game every day after work, and for what? Now all my grinding was for nothing. Thanks again corporate greed
Our Helldiver is using his 2.4 seconds to admire the scenery, remember, a happy Helldiver, is a deadly Helldiver, also, We dive together or not at all!
I think you touched on a great point about the brand damage. If the community doubles down consistently, this can make a precedent that will make every developer think twice about signing a deal with Sony.
For all the players outside PSN countries, refund the game on steam right now while Steam is accepting refunds. You can buy the game again if Arrowhead wins and Sony stops mandatory PSN link.
I'M HEAVILY CONSIDERING IT I'm concerned that if I refund the game I will lose all my progress in the unlikely event they revert the changes and I buy the game agian would I have to start from level 1 agian cause in the case I won't bother picking up the game. So do you know if I retain Progression and achievements if I were to refund but later on buy the game if Sony were to walk it back?
@@Morfik45 I completely uninstalled Cyberpunk, reinstalled it a few days later, and my Steam cloud saves were still good. Don't know if that answers your question.
From the posts of the CEO it doesn't seem like Arrowhead is going to do shit at all. He makes it seem like these changes are not going away and his next step is just to wait it out until people get over it.
Sony is building generation dislike. That's a cultural asset they seem completely unaware of as a megacorp. Short term thinkers in a temporary environment. Sad for everyone involved, but especially the out of touch execs. They're probably permanently lost
@@Flakjacket96it is greed. The sole reason for the linking to a psn account is to spike sony active user numbers, especially considering pc players have no reason to use psn services
Malfeasance is an act of outright sabotage in which one party to a contract commits an act that causes intentional damage. A party that incurs damages by malfeasance is entitled to settlement through a civil lawsuit. Proving malfeasance in a court of law is often difficult, as the true definition is rarely agreed upon.
@@lightdarksoul2097 If that's the case, he's to blame for not enforcing it. We've seen that the game is playable without the linking. If they didn't advertise the game with that, and given that Sony even confirmed on their PlayStation Directive about Helldivers 2 that you DON'T need to create a PSN account to play it, would suggest that it never has been a requirement
I'm from a country that HD2 got removed from Steam Store, if you bought the game you can still play -but once the PSN account is enforced, you're stuck with a bought game with no chance of playing it. Pro-tip, if you want to ask for a refund on Steam -you can state the reason "I don't agree with the latest EULA the PlayStation network has added to the game" they will pretty much accept that reason, but if it does get rejected you can try again.
I will wait few days, but if decision isn't canceled I WILL post my refund request. WE MUST STAND UNITED WITH OUR FELLOW HELLDIVERS IN THEIR FINAL HOUR. FOR SUPER EARTH.
I was past the two hour limit and got a refund. Go ahead and request it and state the reason is because of this Sony BS. Steam is just trying to wash their hands of this mess now.
Yeah, I live in a region where you can not even get your money back, because the game was restributed by Steam gifts. I hope there will not be any autorefunding.
Seems to be the case. If they continued to allow people to buy a product they would not be able to actually use then they opened themselves to a whole slew of issues. They are already dealing with the fact that people who bought a product will be barred from using it in a month’s time. Not a great image either. Steam/valve has been on pretty shaky grounds recently with scam games (like the scams who made you believe you bought a discounted version of HD2), corporations doing what sony is doing (as in being absolutely terrible) and generally the rampant lack of any standards for current EA releases (plagued with brain-rotted EA white knights). They don’t need more on their plate, so it only makes sense.
@@GravitasZero Also, Steam refunds their own money and just dont pay out the next sold version to Sony. Considering there is more people who bought then people who are buying rn. They did this to protect themselves. And on top of that, they most likely already paid out Sony for the month of April .
Its Steam's issue in the first place. Did Sony tell Steam to sell there? Did Steam think of not selling somewhere where said 3rd party software wasn't allowed. How about actually looking at the whole picture and stop just bandwagon hate.
@@legomenjjyou realize in your infinite wisdom it's on devs and publishers to set things like discounts, regional pricing, and inevitably where the game can be sold. Steam can act AFTER that decision, but when you put your game up, that shit is ALL on you.
@@legomenjj until a few day ago even on the playstation website it was stated that psn account linking was optional for pc player and i'm sure sony had tell steam the same.... stop to believe that sony is not the one behind this....
Imagine if Sony just went "hey if you link your PSN account we will give you free stuff in HD2 like supercreds or a special outfit" instead of "link it or else"
I remember seeing the games system when it comes to monetization, I told myself "the devs seem cool, but you know some higher ups are going to mandate some greedy shit that'll ruin it eventually" and I was right about them ruining it, but god damn, I never saw the "How" coming.
SONY is too big to fail because it's a consumer electronics conglomerate that makes many different kinds of products. Seriously, think of an electronic device, and Sony probably makes it. PLAYSTATION, on the other hand, could potentially suffer just like Disney has been, causing the higher levels of Sony to do something.
I'm really not sure what you mean here. Does Disney put out only pretty much dogshit content these days? Yes, clearly. But they don't give one wet fart how much you like it or not, they only care if they're making money. And they are. Clearly someone crunched the numbers at Sony, and they believe that the number of people that they will lose based on country will be insignificant (which I'm sure is actually true, the vast vast vast majority of players are already in countries where they can make PSN accounts) and they think that the increase in new PSN accounts this change will bring in will mean enough new PSN accounts to convince their shareholders that they are growing more than they actually are so they can make a few more bucks (also, they want to harvest everyone's data, but that is a given for every corporation these days). They do not care for a single second about Steam reviews, because they aren't Steam. And they don't care if some studio they bought a controlling interest in dies, it's already made them more than enough for what they invested, and now they think it can be used to artifically boost their numbers so that's what they're going to do. Don't misunderstand me for a single second, I think this is a completely stupid idea that will backfire and could even kill the game, but that will have absolutely no impact on Sony as a corporation. They ARE too big to fail, at least in this situation. Just like Disney could put out a hundred more crap Star Wars movies and still make enough money each year to solve world hunger and cure cancer. They don't care how much you enjoy the crap sandwich they keep serving, because we all keep buying it anyway, that's the point. And at the end of the day, Sony already has your money, so you can go and get forked. Fork yourself right in the forking face. That's how Sony (and every other corporation, for that matter) feels about you, without a doubt. In other words, the Automatons won, babe.
Sony is so waved by profit margins and users growth that they've inherently developed tunnel vision and can't see any of the clusterfuck caused by their actions.
They can see it, they just don't care because numbers go up so stonkholders happy. That's how public companies work nowadays, sacrificing reputation and long term profits just to pump numbers up in short term so the whiny stonkholders don't shit themselves and throw temper tantrums.
I don't think this is profit margin and shareholders alone. There is somewhere a Manager at Sony which wanted his next promotion, the easiest way to do it: Get 1 Million more Players with 150k Players daily in. He had a genius Idea. The Shareholders will be thrilled and.. he didn't see the Shitstorm comming. Legaly it is correct ethicaly he treaded on a mine, a nuclear mine meant to stop entire Russian Battalions.
It’s not just the affected countries that should get refunds either. Changing the TOS and requiring accounts that hold sensitive data is illegal in the EU and UK. Keep fighting the good fight. HD2 may die from this, but it needs to be done. We can rebuild once Arrowhead escapes Sony’s grubby mitts.
Yea. Spend 7 years building something spectacular. Just for your manchild fans to sperg out. Over a psn account. I hope this tanks the company and they cant make another game. Then you fucking spazs might realize you overreacted.
@@Technoanima Not even close to what MS is doing. MS actually got their shit together and is available worldwide. PSN is not. And PSN is very hackable.
wtf did Arrowhead do to be exact. No one's surprised about Sony doing what Sony always been doing. Even Arrowhead knew about the PSN requirements from the beginning, but they sign the deal anyway.
The Faroe islands getting hit shocked me the most. I have a friend I play D&D with from there. Knowing he can never play helldivers 2 is heartbreaking. Its as if overnight the Automatons brutally destroyed any chances of these countries ever becoming helldivers. Only this time, they wear the Sony logo..
I mean, there's an easy work around there with regards to the ToS. Færøerne is a part of the Kingdom of Denmark. So they could just use Denmark for country even if they aren't in the country, because they are still Danish citizens.
150k diving late Friday night after this news , I doubt it’s dead , new war bond soon too. Funny how these creators are slamming this studio / situation / Sony when they are trying to build followings off the game 😂😂😂😂 you’d think content creators would try to smooth this out because if he’ll divers does die your channel is now irrelevant again . 😂 never knew who this guy was until hell divers came out and if helldivers goes away , this dudes channel will be dead.
@@Bigbadwolfanderson The requirement hasn't been implemented yet. It's still a really good game and players that are going to be kicked out are probably trying to enjoy the time they have left with it. Compare the numbers after the requirement has been implemented to see what the real cost of all this will be.
not dead but on life support if Sony doesn't there act together and fire idiots who thought forcing PSN was a good idea and come out and say "sorry about that PSN was dumb have fun helldiving."
OH BOY I SURE DO LOVE ALWAYS-ONLINE LIVE SERVICE AND NOT EVEN BEING ABLE TO LOAD INTO THE MAIN MENU WITHOUT BEING IN THE NETWORK, THANKS MODERN GAMING!
That's the most basic thing - if game is purchased, it is never removed from user library no matter what happens with it on steam. It is in User Agreement
This is mental. I assume any dialogue between AH and Sony is still ongoing. Sony really should put on their big boy pants and just back down and go for an easy win.
@@BigAlGamingOne it's unknown as to who made the call to pull the listing based on region. If it's Sony then it means they are doubling down but if its Steam then it's them covering their butts due to not being able to sell a game in good faith that isn't playable in those countries.
@@BigAlGamingOne That does not make sense from a business perspective. I don't know if those numbers are true ( haven't checked them ) but IF they are - they would be excluding ~ 60 % of the global population from playing the game which is insanity.
That is horrendous. If the game was always going to require a PSN membership as suggested, then it never should have been listed on steam in those countries where PSN was never available. The more I see and think about this, the more this actually seems like a really severe, actual legal issue. This is inexcusable, and Sony should be sued for it on a global level. Like an actual coalition.
This really is the scene with obi wan saying “you where the chosen one. It was said you would destroy the sith (modern gaming) not join them!”. Sucks man. This was looking at a major goty possibly. And we know it’s not arrowhead. We know. Just sucks man.
The ceo admitted he knew this requirement for months before launch and said he should have said something about it but the game was doing so well. They are to blame too.
Community Manager even cant defend Sony. These CM are real deal for driving conversation. And they fkin now, the problem with Sony is Sony own Policies when PSN account cant be made for that many country. You know what? This is probably best day for them since they can be more humane and justified Things to defense/Argue. Good for them.
You're right you shouldn't give them your biometrics. Sony had been breached before, and if they got breached again, you'd need to permanently worry about your bank accounts etc.
I genuinely feel so bad for the CEO, he seems so sad about this. They really have made a great game. He obviously never wanted what sony has forced on them
In the same twitter thread shown in video someone asked what should he do if he is a country that doesn't support PSN, the CEO replied with and i quote "I don't know."
@@NorthernNorthdude91749 Then he is weak person and the damage can't not be fixed. Maybe that issue can be call Darwinist issue it can't evolute can easy go to extinction.
Or maybe actually look at who cause this issue. Who sold the game?? How about telling Steam they should have never sold to places that couldn't use the 3rd party stuff that was there since Day 1. But Sony hate bois don't give two shits but let every other company have need to log into their stuff.
@@legomenjj you can still make an account in those countries if you have a ps4 or ps5. Steam doesn't have a saying where he can't sell the game, thats a publishers choice
It is like ... people from all around the globe were fighting for the same goal for once. (even if it was just a fictional combat, and even if it was for a questionable goal) And a huge company wasn't pleased with all that unity of people. So they stopped that insanity in it's tracks.
Im from one of the countries where the entire PSN thing is under a giant question mark (Latvia), but I requested a refund anyway. I dont need another launcher, I dont want my data on another system, for all the faults Steam has, it has proven itself over the years. Fuck Sony. Those who dive together, stay together! 🤜🤛
@@ghiffaribara2949 I agree but its even worse because Blizzard fucked up themselves and Arrowhead-Studio didnt Initiate this and now they are getting bashed for it while Sony hides from the consequences and let AH-Studio eat all the shit that comes
@@deku5803 Yeah, I hope Sony doesn't double down on the decision and reverse it. The damage is already done but at least they can lessen it and show it to us that they hear us. They could've made an incentive like game rewards when linking with PSN instead of forcing its player, that would've been better
@@ghiffaribara2949 Sony did nothing wrong. Steam decided to sell in banned countries of PSN. Do you yell at milk supplier's or the store you bought the milk at if its expired?
well i try refund it to no avail ? but i actually have no hope at all ... and i wil do something i never did (like try refund game ) make it dissapear from my library i will wait till the date of doom nánd than make it gone i not play till i get what i pay for anymore i want a refund actually so pissed i am even i love game just to make a point and i not get it -.-'
and then there are people "we still have 100k player, stop lying" yeah sure bud, unless SONY accept their stupid decision and revert the change...we will see that number again when they enforce it at the end of MAY shall we?
@@alejandrosantana5693 that is the dumbest way to look at it. "they're making money either way" why would a company want to put a dent in their profits from the only successful game they've released this year. either they have an ulterior motive to the account linking (i.e selling data when they're "hacked") OR they actually dont care about the money.
@@alejandrosantana5693 business perspective it could have been more and the solution is easy. why? ego? or they just simply don't care about customers?
It won’t last. Less players means less money being spent, which means less funds to improve the game with content. The content will start to run dry as they don’t have the same momentum. People start to leave since things get samey, and it snowballs into complete shutdown like all live service eventually do. The thing they should fear more is the brand damage. Nobody trusts Sony, and Arrowhead will also bear the brunt. Who is going to play a new Sony published online game after this? Who is going to trust Arrowhead if they continue to lay with Sony?
This tells us that Valve themselves were unaware of the impending PSN requirement, just like the rest of us. So much for the "It was clearly on the store page since day 1!!11!" argument
Nooo it tells us Valve doesn't read every games page. It was there, Sony was the one that allowed the game to be sold where they shouldn't have. Valve is just mad they have to refund
it doesn`t ? game out for months ???? i have almost 300 hours playtime i filed for 4th time now and not get anything back i was robbed and cheated what the fuck u talk about ?
@@anele3426 The key difference here is the clear malicious intent in not just changing the TOS right after saying bullshit like this, they not only lied about always intending to do the PSN changes (Becuase if they weren’t lying then they intended to scam thousands of people across the globe), but they also fucking clearly are only doing this for their shareholders to see a boom in PSN account numbers Which isn’t gonna happen now because they just fucking nuked their own game. In chest terms, this is like blundering the Queen when you were 1 away from checkmate with a pawn
Its the same guy who changed the UNITY TOS. The strategy is to hope that people calm down and the only lose 10% of the player base, but gain more than that in new PSN accounts, which looks good on quarterly reports to shareholders
i honestly cant imagin how pilestedt is feeling right now, helldivers2 the golden child of arrowhead quite litterally murdered right in front or his verry eyes. how many years of work went into this game? and it took just about 3 days
I can't believe this. Helldivers 2 is such a massive hit, millions of copies sold, so much money made - and its still selling. Why would Sony willingly torpedo this? Man. I feel bad for Arrowhead. Just a ridiculous situation, what a joke. Almost speechless.
Because business execs, for the most part are dredged from the ignorami of society. Lol, also have 0 gaming knowledge nor understanding of the word "community"
They probably got offended by the fact that this indie game was outperforming titles they SWORE were going to be the best games of the year. The little guys started showing up the top dogs, and they needed to show their dominance by destroying it.
Unistall the game, leave a bad review, VOTE OR DIE, make your voices heard. CMs told us to do so and decided to go to war with the player base? So shall be! Steam already refunding 98+ hours played accounts. Greek god Gabe at it again. Sony changing the wording is also incredibly scummy.
@@legomenjj when u upload a game u can add restrictions to its sales, so it's on Sony probably since I'm gonna assume the publisher published the game
PlayStation 5/5/2024 - 9:30PM PST: Helldivers fans -- we've heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward. We're still learning what is best for PC players and your feedback has been invaluable. Thanks again for your continued support of Helldivers 2 and we'll keep you updated on future plans. There is still hope Helldivers! Do not give up on Sweet Liberty just yet!
From a delisted region over here using a PSN account that is in a different country - Game works now, but we dont know if it will when the mandatory linking kicks in on May 30th. So we might lose access permanantly after that day due to our steam being in a ineligible region. Steam already declined refunding 4 times, waiting on the 5th. Regardless will be asking for a refund until they give one because sony deserves all that is happening. I feel sad for AH because the game is really good and its fun and was on the path to become GOTY 2024 nominee. Refunds hurt Sony income for this month from steam because steam doesnt refund them the cut they took from the sales. Sony deserves to sit infront of a charger an get bitten by thousand hunters.
Just a work around and TBH this was a dick move by Sony: My PC Friends were able to figure out how to log into PSN without VPN and they were not autobanned. We're from the PHilippines so our country has never been supported by PSN. So ever since Ps3 Era we've always made accounts from other regions like Hong Kong or Singapore. So yes it's correct that if you log in it will take you to a country not supported page at log in screen of Playstation Network. However, they found out you can just change the country / region at the bottom left corner of the screen so they just chose the Country of Account where their PSN IDs were made (Hong Kong) and then they successfully logged in(after refreshing) their existing PSN accounts and HD2 passed the test with a check mark on the account link status.
@@mercylackhello. i'm filipino. did you link via the psn website or did you go through somewhere in the game and get redirected to a site? i'm not sure where i'm supposed to be doing this
This is what happens when corporate focus on stock prices over product, when they forgot that their clients are the gamers not the share holders, they start making decisions like this, the resulting consumer backlash has ended many big name companies.
We lived in a golden age for 2 months, where we thought gaming had gotten gud again.
Fuckin' corporate dystopia.
i sry but me still cry much ... i loved game not can play it anymore at all i am disgusted
Biggest heel ever since csgo2 and overwatch 2
The industry didn't change. One gem doesn't equal golden era
Fuck Sony. i hope Arrowhead can get them to back pedal.
It was good while it lasted helldiver
We were expecting Illuminate, instead we got Sony
I never thought we'd lose the war this way.
yeah this mission is way to hard joel really dropped the ball this time :)
Indeed a much harder foe to defeat.
@@desertdude8274 we were sabotaged
I dont see the diference
Helldivers 2 is the best example we have for: "This is why people can't have nice things."
Now sony become a Woman Karen
Facts
The Terms and Conditions on the Official Helldivers 2 website always mandated a PSN account in order to play it.
You can use the wayback machine back to last year and see that it is indeed there.
It is only on the Playstation website that was not updated because when they first initiated their PC release of games, they were only Single Player Games.
We can't really say it was a bait and switch when it was always included in the T&C when you initially bought the game.
Let's be honest, anyone who can't play the game deserves a full refund and has a legitimate reason to complain.
But anyone complaining about having to create an online PSN account for playing a game is reaching, it literally has been the norm even in the 90s with Star Craft and Diablo 2 with Battle Net, this isn't anything new and very much expected at this point.
You buy a game based on the Terms and Conditions of the game when you first play it, it was always there and you knew at one point you had to have a PSN account.
So make a fake one if you don't trust Sony with your information. Honestly you should not trust any company with any of your personal information because of how rampant online hacking is, literally every big chain franchise like Target, Walmart, Best Buy and more have all been hacked at some point.
@@HawnkoxticBlackmorth4444 you can be critical without being a misogynist. Just say 'karen'.
Corporations aren't people. They're capitalistic machines that only care about money. The people making these decisions aren't "asking to speak to a manager", they are the manager.
So, really, they're more like a shitty parent if anything.
The Terms and Conditions on the Official Helldivers 2 website always mandated a PSN account in order to play it.
You can use the wayback machine back to last year and see that it is indeed there.
It is only on the Playstation website that was not updated because when they first initiated their PC release of games, they were only Single Player Games.
We can't really say it was a bait and switch when it was always included in the T&C when you initially bought the game.
Let's be honest, anyone who can't play the game deserves a full refund and has a legitimate reason to complain.
But anyone complaining about having to create an online PSN account for playing a game is reaching, it literally has been the norm even in the 90s with Star Craft and Diablo 2 with Battle Net, this isn't anything new and very much expected at this point.
> Release one of the best games in years, strong contender for GOTY.
> Sensible monetization, steady updates, good things in the future in terms of content.
> One of the best player communities on a MP game I have seen in years.
Sony: "Lmao, watch this!"
hard disagree on sensible monetization.
just because there are plenty of other examples that are much worse, doesn't make this sensible/reasonable/okay. MTX belong in f2p games. you pay a not-insignificant box price here. stop with that defeatist, pathetic mentality of saying it's okay, just because others are even shittier.
@@FackeYu have you played the game? You can unlock the warbonds for free just by playing the game and collecting supercredits. So purchasing anything in the game with real money is optional. The "grind" doesn't take long at all either.
@@FackeYu lol what? I have every warbond and every superstore item and I've never spent a single cent other than purchasing the game. Seems fine too me
@@FackeYu You can earn the "premium" currency just by playing the game though , buying super credits is only if you want those items faster , so IMO main commenter was right about saying sensible
@@FackeYu dude stfu its more then real what he said, i got the game for 30$ and never had to buy anything else in the game, it gives you credits just for playing. So stfu with that argument
Imagine working on something for 7 years... Just for a corpo you signed a contract with just destroy everything.................... What a shame.
they signed the deal. dont be mad when the devil comes knocking for his pound of flesh that you offered.
@@MenAreNotOk The deal can be easily amended. It would take 10 minutes to type, print and sign an amendment that excludes that clause.
Yeah...
They want this, for better tools to ban ppls, chek Misty tweets about it. She delete her profile, but you can still find her posts
Yeah, but you read the agreement and signed it anyway.
Arrowhead can't walk away from this
the game sits at 92% of recent reviews being negative. and went from mixed to "Overwhelmingly Negative"
Steam charts really havent changed so Yip Yip Hooray for you
still have 8% idiots
it went from 90% oositive to 19%, it was overwhelmingly positive before the 3rd
@@yes21g oh i'm absolutely gonna play until they kick me out. I'm betting sony loses their nerve against the helldivers. Not gonna forfeit my progress until I see the whites of their eyes.
@@VirtyRanger I hope so, Arrowhead did say leaving negative reviews helps their argument at the negotiation table with Sony, I hope everyone helps out.
"So long boys, you're on your own. It was an honor serving with you. I pray we meet again... in another life." 🤝
"Come on, you apes! You want to live forever?"
“This sounds like treason”
I literally just was diving , I guess enjoy your vacation . 😂
How dare you give up now when they need us most
I pray we meet again... in another Dive 🤝
I can't believe Sony made themselves look worse than blizzard, Activision, and EA overnight
Ubisoft, you forgot Ubisoft... And also BattleState Games as well lol
They really didn’t. Blizzard is still worse than all three.
@@_Cetarial on my understanding Blizzard didn't do nothing like this leave people without a game after paying for it?
And Ubisoft telling the consumers you don't have to own you games for shit like this happening after you pay for it? This is why we don't like companies like Sony or Ubisoft they're not your friends and clearly are the worse, yes more than Blizzard
@@akeemnereida6119 well... the OW 2 PvE that was promised and teased. Then removed.
IDK. Blizzard is doing ok now outside of OW2, which is being ran by idiots. But D4 is going strong.@@_Cetarial
Someone at Sony is about to lose their job. Biggest blunder of the year: ALL they had to do, was leave it alone and they couldve just reaped the rewards.
They couldve just said: No PSN, no cross-play
Woulda still blown up for the regions that can't get PSN.
But it would have been plausible as a necessary step toward fixing the friends list issues.
Someone at AH might lose their job. They said to leave a negative review so they can push back. Going against their publisher and rights owner
No they won't because this has no doubt came down from top positions.
😂 no they won't. It was sonys idea to do this so no one there is gonna get fired. What a 🤡 take.. 😂
The only conclusion is that Sony is more interested in selling your personal data than making profits from the game itself..
I never thought that a publisher could out-do Blizzard, in terms of fumbling the bag, & killing the potential of their golden goose.
Literally, numbers in players is the life blood of this PvE game.
It was the fantasy of having a huge chunk of people coming together for a common goal that made this game feel special, and now, that fantasy just feels broken for me.
all big publishers nowadays have incompetent and dumb people filling the company. Don't be surprised for the next 10 years.
Hey hey friend. Don't be so glum. That spirit of cooperation is still alive. Look and see how many divers are shouting to not leave their fellows behind. We're all still working for a common goal. If the game does unfortunately falls we'll re-group and find somewhere else to spread democracy.
#NoHelldiverLeftBehind
More like Nintendo and that's a hard one
@horrorfan117 failed to extract ....
Helldiver left behind😢
@@TheMari0123How is this like Nintendo?
This might actually be the greatest f up since blizzard ran Overwatch into the ground.
Edit: just my opinion, but when they stopped all work on one, barely any characters or maps and the same seasonal game modes for a long time, that’s when it started dying. At one point they had insane player numbers.
I never got this one. Overwatch was 20€ before and went completly free. Game is in a better state than overwatch 1 was for years when it comes to hero PICKRATE diversity.
@@jackreacher6240 cope
@@jackreacher6240New heroes are made off an AI that checks for diversity traits. They're literally AI generated 😭
@@jackreacher6240 "hero diversity".
lmao, part of the problem.
@@jackreacher6240overwatch 2 was a disaster. The worst part is Overwatch 1 was completely erased and is no longer playable
Johnny silverhand looks more and more sane by the day
Corps have long controlled our lives…. Now they’re after our souls!
He was always right though. Corporations will end up at that point if people just keep treating themselves as cattle to be lead by the corps.
soon people will realize cyberpunk is not a far off reality
@@sac-_ A good minority of people realize this already. There are plenty of people however who either welcome it, or wont care until it effects them. One will ask: 'wait I thought I was going to be a badass?" as they work a 20 hour shift before getting shot in the head for asking for a raise or "I did not sign up for this!" As they watch the status quo that gave them a good life melt before them. As everything they took for granted disappears for the rest of their life.
The only people who truly look forward for this are the megalomaniacs who want power above all else, and enjoy the thought of being able to lord over others at the threat of them being hurt if they don't comply. Money is just their weapon.
He was ALWAYS RIGHT
Folding when you have a Royal Flush in a industry full of 1 pair currently is WILD.
So what you're saying is play more Balatro
_Here's where Sony is caught in a lie:_
_In their announcement, they stated they were always intending to do this, and it was simply because of a technical issue that they didn't. However - if this was the case, that means they would have limited their sales of the game to regions where players could make a PSN account from the start._
_They didn't. Therefore, they must have been lying._
Exactly!
sorry bud but not true even though I don’t agree with Sony, but the reason why they disabled the psn account bs is because of the explosion of players and the huge issue with cross play in the early weeks of helldivers
@@shanman3 its not the reason to not block game to nation that didnt support PSN. If Sony didnt have any though to scam player on steam since beginning game early acces then they Will block acces to non supported PSN region.
@@star0794 let’s think logically, you think the greedy corp cares about the game being blocked when on the contrary they are able to obtain higher account activations and tracking? they’ve already hit a goldmine with the game being higher than expectations now they are trying to bite more than they can chew, it would’ve been done earlier if cross play worked properly and didn’t threaten the downfall of the game right outta the gate
@@shanman3 Would it not be easier to have the PSN enabled so as to slow down the influx of players to a much more manageable degree? How does disabling something that is allegedly "required" and "helps make things more secure" do anything to aid with a flood of players when all it's doing is exacerbate the problem by allowing even MORE players to get the game in droves? The argument is counter intuitive no matter what way you slice it.
"Yes officer I was having a problem with slowing down my car's speed so I removed the breaks entirely"
Uh huh, sure you did.
I'm not one to assume malice before incompetence but don't be naive, this is 100% a mix of both of those things.
They banned Antarctica from playing Helldivers 2 💀
So much for polar patriots
Those bastards
Me living in Iran, First time?
The hardcore chads in Antarctica all have nord vpn, so fuck you Sony XD
I guess fuck penguins..
Would be cool if a community that retook the Creek and terminated two billion bugs - both within hours - had the power to impress a real-life villainous corporation into changing its decisions.
And although I doubt that this is actually going to happen, I'm still happy and proud for having been an active part of said community (even if that was just for a comparibly short time and might end soon).
Helldivers 2 was the best upset-game I came across for almost 15 years.
I came in late and missed the Creek. I only played for a month, but it was the best game I've played in so long. I'm going to hate seeing the active helldivers number drop, after barely getting to see the potential of this nearly perfect game.
We can only hope some Helldivers are IRL hackers and seek revenge against Sony lol
"community that retook the Creek and terminated two billion bugs - both within hours - had the power to impress a real-life villainous corporation into changing its decisions."
bro its a video game chill out 💀
@@vinnsterpj for some people, it's not just a game though. In the coming weeks, people who saved and paid hard earned money just to be able to play the game wont be able to do so anymore.
@@vinnsterpj Learn to enjoy your life. It's a game that people got immersed in, and the Creek and 2 billion bugs thing was a big feeling of comradery for the player base.
dont mess with a community who killed 2 billion bugs in 10 hours sony
Sony, I wont be buying a playstation anymore
Stolen comment
@@onepunchman4444 samples are shared, oompa loompa, we have the same major order
Why you count playstation players progress who dont care abou this because they already use PSN. 😅
Sony is gonna mess with you
Any change in ToS is a change in a legal contract. The options should always be "Accept" or "Reject and receive full refund". Companies have been abusing this for far too long now and need to be held responsible.
Sadly some TOS agreements also include a "we can change the TOS as we like clause". Should that be legal? No. Do companies get away with it all the time, even in court? Absolutely.The gaming industry especially is ripe with this abuse (look at Unity)
It was also there but go off queen
@@BritBox777 They only get away with it legally because they settle out of court. If one of these ever ran full course it could easily and almost certainly result in the "We can change the contract at any time" being ruled as inequitable. Which is why they pay massive sums to settle out of court.
@@BritBox777just because they put it there doesnt make it legal, the laws for legal contracts are pretty set in stone and cant be overruled by other things
I agree that one party shouldn't be allowed to change an agreement without the consent of the other, and if they change it anyway they would be breaking the contract and should therefore be obligated to refund the product.
With how much support Helldivers got for NOT using consumer-hostile monetisation, and how much corps like Sony are relying on those tactics in live service, I wouldn't be shocked if this was an intentional decision to kill Helldivers 2 and protect their toxic business model.
So people literally don’t know what is normal anymore.
That perspective is rather depressing, even worse that I believe it to be a plausible plan...
I knew it was strange that this was a week after they bashed Escape from Tarkov for bad business practices.
instead they've pissed off a quarter million people who actively play the game alone... For reference, that's 10% of the population of australia, give or take
@@kaelanirevyruun1676 and also gave a huge warning for future customers to not buy their games, because Sony can just decide to change things on the fly, not giving any efs
"Nah, I'd force account linking."
"Stand tall Sony, you're perfectly in middle of blast radius."
ORBITAL INCOMING
@@popeskii 380 bro
@@Yacht.461000kg bomb.
Hellbomb Incoming!
Arrowhead more so as it's their game being punished
I still wonder if Arrowhead can take legal action against Sony for purposefully tanking the game they spent 7 years creating.
Nope! Arrowhead is legally speaking basically a contractor.
yes and no, arrowhead is the developer Sony is the publisher, any dispute would need to be handled based on the terms in the contract. Sony tends to make their contracts iron clad so that developers have no path for restitution if Sony screws them.
Arrowhead no, but folks in EU can take Sony to court for changing EULA. That one change in EULA can either sink Helldivers completely because of refunds or force Sony to change policy.
@@lordsetarurare The answer is a big no, because the issue here isn't that Sony is the publisher, it's that Sony also OWNS the Helldivers IP. If Helldivers was owned by Arrowhead it would be a very different situation.
Nope, Sony owns the game, devs have 0 say in anything, even stuff like monthly warbonds and superstore items was actually enforced by Sony, if Sony wanted to pull the plug on the game and turn off the servers at this moment, they technically could.
You know what's a joke. Puerto Rico is a part of this, too. But it's a part of the US
Seriously?! Wow.
Puerto Rico is always getting screwed over
Yep i am from Puerto rico and i can confirm that
Damn that's messed up bro
You are a part of US and A when it's convenient for them, not you.
New twitter post from the ceo: “Is this the moment to tweet "What? You guys don't have phones?"
On serious note: We are talking solutions with PlayStation, especially for non-PSN countries. Your voice has been heard, and I am doing everything I can to speak for the community - but I don't have the final say.”
truly an unfortunate situation for pc players and the fact that they have almost no control in their own game is the worst part
I can't speak for everyone but I personally am the proud owner of two tin cans and an unreasonably long string
@jacklint8187 it's not their game. Sony owns it. They developed it on behalf of Sony using money Sony gave them. Does a contractor own a house that he was paid to build?
@@sirrickardjameses wait, so sony gave theg ame development to a team of 4 people????~!!?!?! the dev has said theres only 4 people that work there
it sounds like the ceo is doing a better job as a community manager than spitz
Helldivers 1 was PS3 exclusive. I played with my wife and friends from the one account (on one console) sharing all purchased dlc.
After migration to PS4 Sony forced everyone to login in a separate PSN account even while playing on one console. So, we had to register some accounts just for that. There is someone obsessed with amount of PSN accounts in Sony.
It's almost certainly a numbers thing for shareholders.
Sony once again snatching defeat from the jaws of victory
You think a bunch of mad pc babies can harm a big company like sony? LoL
@@ItsAmateurHour101Sony spy detected
@@ItsAmateurHour101 Nah Sony is too big to fall, BUT they had a really good game, potentially game of the year but now it is bombed with negative reviews and refunds plus hopefully lawsuits eg out of latvia.
@@ItsAmateurHour101 Considering they said the PSN changes were always intended and still sold Helldivers 2 in countries where PSN isn’t available, there is legitimate solid grounds for a class action lawsuit. So yes, those pc babies DO have what it takes to actually make Sony feel this
@@ItsAmateurHour101 You really think Sony needs anyone's help in bringing it down? They are doing it themselves. They haven't made money in over a *decade*, the only division of Sony that makes any money consistently is Playstation and even their profit is slowly dropping. They've been slowly dying for the past 15 years.
Following this debacle, why would any studio want Sony as a publisher when they clearly demonstrated that they only care about showing PSN accounts numbers to their shareholders and personal datas to sell...
You would be suprised they are the biggest share of the console market and Japanese companies prefer to stick with Japanese companies. So Sony can do whatever they want and their fans will praise them like gods. Heck their are right now asking for Microsoft to drop out of the console business
Sony owns the IP of Helldivers
@@lildevin16consoles can’t die soon enough then.
@@Niterayde I don't see them dying a lot of people just don't care to set up pcs it's annoying
@@lightdarksoul2097 sony as a whole is being dragged down by the retardedness of their US branch.
Great handling for Valve for accepting refunds with players over 90+ hours on the game. They knew that if they refused this they'd received some backlash too. Valve being Valve always playing it safe and keeping players on their side even if it's a revenue loss for them.
Now everyone is just looking at Sony in a bad spot.
Some people there still remember that if the players leave, they have to confirm half life 3.
Nope not really this will hit Steam over Sony. Why would a court sue the maker and not the seller for selling it in banned countries
they make up for it in the long run tho atleast they kinda care Sony are just horrid
@@legomenjj quit spamming your garbage nonsense on every comment. sony is the distributor, not steam. steam is just an avenue, much like their own website. there is no doubt a clause in the contract that you sign with steam when you publish a game holding you at fault if you do something like this. sony had the ability to disable the countries from buying the game and they chose not to. steam only did it on their own to protect themselves from any sort of possible negligence.
They rejected my refund 3 times....
Arrowhead: this game will bring the whole world together as ONE!
Sony: Sorry, we CAN'T have that!
Rather:
_...Sony: gimme that! All of it! I like the heat! I feed off of the hatred!_
Arrowhead's CEO admitted he knew this was a requirement but didn't bring it up
@@lightdarksoul2097Yup, he knew from the start. They made it optional not out of good will or anything, but only because the servers were flooded
The irony of this situation bringing the whole world together as ONE anyway. 🙃
A small part of me hopes that there's a Steam content moderator who's also a Helldiver, saw this situation unfold and thought to themselves "Oh, I can definitely do something about this" and went right after Sony in the wallet.
I actually wonder if it was Arrowhead so they can point out to Sony just how stupid an idea it was and give them a better bargaining position
@@cmdr_thruddI think they were encouraging the bad reviews and such with that as a goal
It's Gaben's vote.
@@sillybugger3641 Oh, Spitz was saying to us to leave bad reviews and refund the game, just in very snarky tone with him pressing the players to do it, while offending them
I would say this is Steam's fault in the first place
Starting to understand Johnny Silverhand more and more...
Japanese buisness culture is worse than americas
*the rebel path starts playing*
Wanna do a Don't Fear The Reaper? 😀
Dude was right every step of the way
Thank you everyone who fought for a refund, we won. Now Sony knows we wont be pushed around!!!
Had we not pushed for it, Sony would have happily kept our money and locked us from the game.
Problem is that you guys keep thinking that you are making Sony suffer while in reality you are taking that money straight from Arrowhead. Sony won't care. They have been a shitty company for years and that won't change them @@Technoanima
Ukraine - denies refunds. Some people can create account without PS console, some cannot. Unclear situation, feel betrayed by lack of PSN reminder.
Does the refund work after 100hrs in playing the game? Or we have to come up with a masterclass level of essay for steam to actually accept the refund request?
my refund was denied but im spam trying until they give me one.
You know its bad when even people with PSN accounts are still refusing to link their Steam account to their console.
The main problem I have with it is that Sony is notoriously bad with their security. You link a PSN to your Steam, and now your Steam account is vulnerable.
@@Wolfen5207Pretty much, better safe than sorry for me.
Helldivers 3 coming to every platform except Sony
pfft u dreaming
-.-'
Sony OWNS Helldivers IP
This is quite literally what the developers need to do.
They probably need to get serious legal representation to get out of the contracts that probably signed over the next 5 games in the series to Sony.
Sony owns the ip. They can't even consider making it anywhere else.
They were locked in since helldivers one.
@@Pattern_Noticer best case scenario. The devs get released start work on a "spiritual successor". Sony owns the HD IP. There's no extracting that
if buying isn't keeping then piracy isn't theft
Sony discarted the psn requaierment we won
you cant pirate online games
Precisely. Back when physical media was a thing, the copyright of music tried to prevent people "lending" their copies to people. I own this, but can't lend it to a mate because they would rather my friend also buy it? LOL. Rebellion > blind acceptance. Digital media is only looked at as bad thing when corporations have to accept making less money than they did with physical products. They don't care about the artists or the consumers.
bruh you can't pirate helldivers
@whateverr64 who knows someone makes a copy of hd2 which lets you negate the psn account.
@@BBTfnCLike Aki SP tarkov? Looks cool
Those who say "JuSt uSe A vPn" forget that sh*t costs money?
Also, you forget to enable that shit once while playing the game, you're banned.
Not to mention that using one to evade region lock violates TOS and can get you banned...
Mate it bans you for using VPN's doesn't it. It's like against "Sony's" terms of Service to use those things. Also a lot of people tend to forget about that stuff costing money
Not only cost money, but your account will be banned for using a vpn as it breaks their tos. There is a Chinese guy lost his account after it was discovered he was using a vpn to make a psn.
Vpn permaban .
I actually love how Gabe was like, “Oh PS you wanna play around? You don’t wanna play ball for your own players? Okay. I’ll make the decision for you.”
Pfft like gabe cares for the players he cares that he has to give back people's money
More likely they want to limit damage to Steam.
I suspect that how the refund system works that Valve has to use it's own money to give refunds to players before it has possibility to get compensated from the publisher especially if the transaction happened days/weeks/months ago. That money has long ago been moved forward to developer/publisher over certain time.
So Steam pulled the plug from areas they practically have to give refunds to players no matter what to minimize any new damage.
Like Gabe cares you clown
Oh that was Gabe?
@@lightdarksoul2097he's a huge gamer himself. He's been an ally for a long time.
140 hours, had unlocked all the warbonds, but to support my fellow Skull Admirals who got forced out of the game, I have too, requested to get the refund and retire from my post to go back to civilian life. Its was a fun run.
u is an honorable helldiver so did i ... i like u
Honorable? Thats just plain stupid lmao your not even hurting sony that way
@@sammymilanovic9124 right, so they will conjure the money to refund from the air?
@@sammymilanovic9124 oh yea. When the review got bad and slowly people are just leaving the game, how're you going to complete the major orders like we used to. The bugs and crashes issues didn't get fix, there's no transparency and I doubt the accuracy of the armors and weapons too, at times with stealth nerf or changes for repeatedly 1-2 months now. Carry on soldier, I'm the stupid one, for sure.
@@AMQWERTY379 you mean pocketchaince? .its a bilion dollar company the only ones that are gonna hurt is arrowhead studios
i smell a lawsuit coming
People are in active talks with a law-firm to set up a class action lawsuit.
They really force remove our fellow divers
smell one too, but doubt its going to achieve anything. Not against something like sony.
There is nothing we can't defeat together. Freeeeeeddooooommm!
I saw a someone post that they contacted their local PDPO, and the office agreed that complaint is valid enough to warrant a meeting with PDPO to further investigate the matter, so it looks like the EU might get involved.
I feel like it's more likely to be Valve pulling the plug. They're seeing a massive spike in negative reviews on a high profile game, and probably getting a bunch of refund requests for it as well. It makes sense for them to try and limit future harm and their own liability in distributing the game in non-PSN regions that Sony now wants to ban.
But if it’s Sony that means they don’t give a fuck about those regions
@@dylandang7365 I don't think Sony gives a fuck about them regardless of who did it lmao, especially when they're telling people from certain regions they can only make a PSN account by buying a PS5 and making it on that.
Suspect its Steam since they are legally potentially liable for False advertising and it might go into a lawsuit over European or Australian consumer protection laws
I'm assuming Valve is doing it and issuing refunds because it probably is illegal in so many places to sell a product, then ban access to it later.
@@hujron They might suffer but remember they are a Platform. They 100% goin to have same route as google etc.
The one who loss is actually Sony, because Steam realize these Corp tryin to pull a stunt. While Steam/Valve goin to pay some things, its better sooner than later yet community people still support them.
Sony ? Nah i dont think so, thats why Ubisoft/Sony etc want to capitalize older game since they know they getting soo dry for the moment.
It’s crazy how we now live in the video game era where you buy a game as one thing it might be great, then maybe a week or a month later it’s completely a different thing and not the thing you brought it for originally
this iz why I prefer physical media
@@something2941 Doesn't work for multiplayer games though unfortunately (AKA overwatch)
They built a game designed around "doing your part" and instilled a feeling of community. They focused that community to work together to overcome outrageous odds which in turn fostered a greater sense of comradery.
Then they shit on a section of said player base and expect us to ignore it? I've done my part by leaving a negative review and uninstalling the game.
Are you doing your part?
If there is one thing I have learnt from being a part of this community, is that you don't fuck with this community without expecting retaliation
I'm doing my part, but who's they? Arrowhead shitting on the playerbase? Or do you mean Sony?
@@terrified057t4 it's all Sony
@@terrified057t4kinda both, especially that one community manager, not doing basic due diligence before being an asshole to the player base
@@karkarplays3798 Human error on Spitz, not much of an asshole move for him. But casting Arrowhead into hellfire because of one community manager? lol
It literally hurts, one of the last games I invested real time in. I’m in my 30s I can’t drop hundreds of hours again. It’s watching something that was a cultural phenomenon being destroyed by fuking greed
I feel the same way. I don’t get invested in games like i did as a kid anymore. This game gave me that feeling again, the community was fantastic, the developers actually put effort into making a good game. And now I’ve lost all faith in finding something to replicate that feeling i had as a kid again
Feels man. This is one of the first few games thats made me feel like a kid again. The last one for me was Garden Warfare 2 and Sony is stripping that away.
I second that, it felt like hype I never really experienced before (I was always late to arrive when games exploded), and I am in my 30s too. It felt awesome, seeing the game progressing and players actually making the game great. Farewell, we will remember you HD2
Womp womp
I feel you man. I work 40 hours every week but I still would put hours into this game every day after work, and for what? Now all my grinding was for nothing. Thanks again corporate greed
Remember guys, Sony is attacking a community build to work towards Major Objectives, stand your ground.
WE DIVE TOGETHER OR NOT AT ALL
Oh man, I do hope, that at least this time, we ALL agree to send the same message: "don't F with us like that"
We dive together or not at all!
We dive together or...oh, a 🦋!
Our Helldiver is using his 2.4 seconds to admire the scenery, remember, a happy Helldiver, is a deadly Helldiver, also, We dive together or not at all!
No I’m still playing. Sorry dude
I think you touched on a great point about the brand damage. If the community doubles down consistently, this can make a precedent that will make every developer think twice about signing a deal with Sony.
Developers aren't stupid they've known how bad can be for years
For all the players outside PSN countries, refund the game on steam right now while Steam is accepting refunds.
You can buy the game again if Arrowhead wins and Sony stops mandatory PSN link.
I'M HEAVILY CONSIDERING IT I'm concerned that if I refund the game I will lose all my progress in the unlikely event they revert the changes and I buy the game agian would I have to start from level 1 agian cause in the case I won't bother picking up the game. So do you know if I retain Progression and achievements if I were to refund but later on buy the game if Sony were to walk it back?
question, is the data saved after refund in cloud? So people that refund, and gonna purchase it again years later not gonna start from 0?
@@Morfik45 I completely uninstalled Cyberpunk, reinstalled it a few days later, and my Steam cloud saves were still good. Don't know if that answers your question.
From the posts of the CEO it doesn't seem like Arrowhead is going to do shit at all. He makes it seem like these changes are not going away and his next step is just to wait it out until people get over it.
@@Morfik45 possibly.
The way I see it Sony is just hurting their entire brand image. People aren't going to forget this one anytime soon I can promise you that.
This is punishment for helldivers not bending to the rainbowtards and blackrock
Bro I was going to actually buy a ps5 for this game but not anymore! Screw Sony.
Until they release a Remaster to TLOU2 Remaster and ppl suck Sony's dick because there is lesbian and trans sex scenes in their zombie game
Sony is building generation dislike. That's a cultural asset they seem completely unaware of as a megacorp.
Short term thinkers in a temporary environment. Sad for everyone involved, but especially the out of touch execs. They're probably permanently lost
Ah yes corporate greed strikes again
Part of controlling the media and controlling us.
More like corporate stupidity. If Sony was greedy, they wouldn't block access of PSN in certain countries.
@@Flakjacket96it is greed. The sole reason for the linking to a psn account is to spike sony active user numbers, especially considering pc players have no reason to use psn services
@@Flakjacket96 Are you dumb?? Sony doesn't block PSN in other countries the countries themselves block PSN
Capitalism strikes again
Malfeasance is an act of outright sabotage in which one party to a contract commits an act that causes intentional damage. A party that incurs damages by malfeasance is entitled to settlement through a civil lawsuit. Proving malfeasance in a court of law is often difficult, as the true definition is rarely agreed upon.
Good luck suing Sony.
Arrowhead's CEO admitted that he knew this requirement six months before launch so there is no unsurprished attack this was always coming
@@lightdarksoul2097 If that's the case, he's to blame for not enforcing it. We've seen that the game is playable without the linking. If they didn't advertise the game with that, and given that Sony even confirmed on their PlayStation Directive about Helldivers 2 that you DON'T need to create a PSN account to play it, would suggest that it never has been a requirement
@@DracoCordraconis He used the word requirement I don't know what to tell ya
I'm from a country that HD2 got removed from Steam Store, if you bought the game you can still play -but once the PSN account is enforced, you're stuck with a bought game with no chance of playing it.
Pro-tip, if you want to ask for a refund on Steam -you can state the reason "I don't agree with the latest EULA the PlayStation network has added to the game" they will pretty much accept that reason, but if it does get rejected you can try again.
i try 4 times no succes ... i will not stop try yes
So all is good? Just don't make a psn account? Was worried a bit
@@WoodenChurch_041until June 1. Then you won't be able to play
@@SilverKnightPCs oooof, well better get go get a refund eh? Hmm why june 1st?
I will wait few days, but if decision isn't canceled I WILL post my refund request.
WE MUST STAND UNITED WITH OUR FELLOW HELLDIVERS IN THEIR FINAL HOUR.
FOR SUPER EARTH.
For Managed Democracy!
We dive together, or not at all!
We Dive Together or Not At All !!!
We dive together or not at all!
I was past the two hour limit and got a refund. Go ahead and request it and state the reason is because of this Sony BS. Steam is just trying to wash their hands of this mess now.
Yeah, I live in a region where you can not even get your money back, because the game was restributed by Steam gifts. I hope there will not be any autorefunding.
probably it was Steam doing safety measures to not get sued along Sony
Seems to be the case. If they continued to allow people to buy a product they would not be able to actually use then they opened themselves to a whole slew of issues.
They are already dealing with the fact that people who bought a product will be barred from using it in a month’s time. Not a great image either.
Steam/valve has been on pretty shaky grounds recently with scam games (like the scams who made you believe you bought a discounted version of HD2), corporations doing what sony is doing (as in being absolutely terrible) and generally the rampant lack of any standards for current EA releases (plagued with brain-rotted EA white knights).
They don’t need more on their plate, so it only makes sense.
@@GravitasZero Also, Steam refunds their own money and just dont pay out the next sold version to Sony. Considering there is more people who bought then people who are buying rn. They did this to protect themselves. And on top of that, they most likely already paid out Sony for the month of April .
Its Steam's issue in the first place. Did Sony tell Steam to sell there? Did Steam think of not selling somewhere where said 3rd party software wasn't allowed. How about actually looking at the whole picture and stop just bandwagon hate.
@@legomenjjyou realize in your infinite wisdom it's on devs and publishers to set things like discounts, regional pricing, and inevitably where the game can be sold. Steam can act AFTER that decision, but when you put your game up, that shit is ALL on you.
@@legomenjj until a few day ago even on the playstation website it was stated that psn account linking was optional for pc player and i'm sure sony had tell steam the same.... stop to believe that sony is not the one behind this....
Imagine if Sony just went "hey if you link your PSN account we will give you free stuff in HD2 like supercreds or a special outfit" instead of "link it or else"
I remember seeing the games system when it comes to monetization, I told myself "the devs seem cool, but you know some higher ups are going to mandate some greedy shit that'll ruin it eventually"
and I was right about them ruining it, but god damn, I never saw the "How" coming.
Blackrock called Sony about stellar blade then said "oh and about Helldivers..."
Yep. I guarantee that on June 1, “IT” will infect the game as well.
No, this is just greed, not an agenda being pushed.
@corvega_joe You sound like a weirdo incel right now. There's nothing wrong with celebrating Pride month.
"We have to force behaviors" --Larry Fink CEO of Blackcock
@@corvega_joejust a rainbow-patterned cape wouldnt be too bad
“Sony is to big to fail”
Ask Disney how’s that’s going…
Not good
SONY is too big to fail because it's a consumer electronics conglomerate that makes many different kinds of products. Seriously, think of an electronic device, and Sony probably makes it. PLAYSTATION, on the other hand, could potentially suffer just like Disney has been, causing the higher levels of Sony to do something.
I'm really not sure what you mean here. Does Disney put out only pretty much dogshit content these days? Yes, clearly. But they don't give one wet fart how much you like it or not, they only care if they're making money. And they are.
Clearly someone crunched the numbers at Sony, and they believe that the number of people that they will lose based on country will be insignificant (which I'm sure is actually true, the vast vast vast majority of players are already in countries where they can make PSN accounts) and they think that the increase in new PSN accounts this change will bring in will mean enough new PSN accounts to convince their shareholders that they are growing more than they actually are so they can make a few more bucks (also, they want to harvest everyone's data, but that is a given for every corporation these days). They do not care for a single second about Steam reviews, because they aren't Steam. And they don't care if some studio they bought a controlling interest in dies, it's already made them more than enough for what they invested, and now they think it can be used to artifically boost their numbers so that's what they're going to do.
Don't misunderstand me for a single second, I think this is a completely stupid idea that will backfire and could even kill the game, but that will have absolutely no impact on Sony as a corporation. They ARE too big to fail, at least in this situation. Just like Disney could put out a hundred more crap Star Wars movies and still make enough money each year to solve world hunger and cure cancer.
They don't care how much you enjoy the crap sandwich they keep serving, because we all keep buying it anyway, that's the point. And at the end of the day, Sony already has your money, so you can go and get forked. Fork yourself right in the forking face. That's how Sony (and every other corporation, for that matter) feels about you, without a doubt.
In other words, the Automatons won, babe.
it is not about money anymore is psychological warfare and we loose big times ...
Disney hasn't failed yet, don't know what you're talking about.
Hallelujah!!! I’m the favorite, $60,000 every week! Now I can afford anything and also support the work of God and the church.
Oh really? Tell us more! Always interested in hearing stories of successes.
This is what Ana Graciela Blackwelder does, she has changed my life.
After raising up to 60k trading with her, I bought a new house and car here in the US and also paid for my son’s (Oscar) surgery. Glory to God.shalom.
@RafaelWilson-nu6ge Wow, that’s inspiring. How can I contact Ana Graciela Blackwelder?
I am delighted to write it today, I hope it helps me manage my paycheck correctly.
Sony is so waved by profit margins and users growth that they've inherently developed tunnel vision and can't see any of the clusterfuck caused by their actions.
They can see it, they just don't care because numbers go up so stonkholders happy. That's how public companies work nowadays, sacrificing reputation and long term profits just to pump numbers up in short term so the whiny stonkholders don't shit themselves and throw temper tantrums.
I don't think this is profit margin and shareholders alone. There is somewhere a Manager at Sony which wanted his next promotion, the easiest way to do it: Get 1 Million more Players with 150k Players daily in. He had a genius Idea. The Shareholders will be thrilled and.. he didn't see the Shitstorm comming. Legaly it is correct ethicaly he treaded on a mine, a nuclear mine meant to stop entire Russian Battalions.
It’s not just the affected countries that should get refunds either. Changing the TOS and requiring accounts that hold sensitive data is illegal in the EU and UK.
Keep fighting the good fight. HD2 may die from this, but it needs to be done. We can rebuild once Arrowhead escapes Sony’s grubby mitts.
So EU should be extra annoyed, because The Baltic States have no PSN access.
i hope the eu takes action against sony like they did against apple
and civillians take up to suing sony themselves
Yea. Spend 7 years building something spectacular. Just for your manchild fans to sperg out. Over a psn account. I hope this tanks the company and they cant make another game. Then you fucking spazs might realize you overreacted.
@@rubentelur It would prob be against Steam since they sold it not Sony
If PS acc was intended to be a requirement all along.. Why did they allow sales in those countries in the first place?????? Seems like a lawsuit
.
I was so busy having fun that I forgot about corporate greed for a moment.
that steam review was wild
wtf is sony doing man hell nawh
Same move Microsoft did to Halo PC players. Make it Xbox exclusive.
@@Technoanima the only difference is that Microsoft account is available to be created worldwide unlike PSN
@@Technoanima Not even close to what MS is doing. MS actually got their shit together and is available worldwide. PSN is not. And PSN is very hackable.
Dying.
wtf did Arrowhead do to be exact. No one's surprised about Sony doing what Sony always been doing. Even Arrowhead knew about the PSN requirements from the beginning, but they sign the deal anyway.
"Most of these 3rd world countries suck anyway."
-Greedy SONY executives, probably
Imagine thinking Monaco and Vatican are 3rd world countires
bro all latin america can play!!!
The Faroe islands getting hit shocked me the most. I have a friend I play D&D with from there. Knowing he can never play helldivers 2 is heartbreaking. Its as if overnight the Automatons brutally destroyed any chances of these countries ever becoming helldivers. Only this time, they wear the Sony logo..
I mean, there's an easy work around there with regards to the ToS. Færøerne is a part of the Kingdom of Denmark. So they could just use Denmark for country even if they aren't in the country, because they are still Danish citizens.
I just might draw a helldiver alone on his ship remembering the sheer numbers that they used to be
What was looking like GOTY and possibly Sonys most popular title ever has died right in front of us 😢
150k diving late Friday night after this news , I doubt it’s dead , new war bond soon too. Funny how these creators are slamming this studio / situation / Sony when they are trying to build followings off the game 😂😂😂😂 you’d think content creators would try to smooth this out because if he’ll divers does die your channel is now irrelevant again . 😂 never knew who this guy was until hell divers came out and if helldivers goes away , this dudes channel will be dead.
@@Bigbadwolfanderson The requirement hasn't been implemented yet. It's still a really good game and players that are going to be kicked out are probably trying to enjoy the time they have left with it. Compare the numbers after the requirement has been implemented to see what the real cost of all this will be.
@@duskblade1119just a few more hours. And the game is dead.
not dead but on life support if Sony doesn't there act together and fire idiots who thought forcing PSN was a good idea and come out and say "sorry about that PSN was dumb have fun helldiving."
@@Bigbadwolfanderson This game will go rock bottom, if not die, once the requirement goes online.
“You will own nothing, and you’ll be happy”
If purchase doesn’t mean ownership,
Piracy is not theft.
OH BOY I SURE DO LOVE ALWAYS-ONLINE LIVE SERVICE AND NOT EVEN BEING ABLE TO LOAD INTO THE MAIN MENU WITHOUT BEING IN THE NETWORK, THANKS MODERN GAMING!
Sony really found a priceless ancient artifact and begun painting shit all over it
That's the most basic thing - if game is purchased, it is never removed from user library no matter what happens with it on steam. It is in User Agreement
This is mental. I assume any dialogue between AH and Sony is still ongoing.
Sony really should put on their big boy pants and just back down and go for an easy win.
I believe Sony are doubling down hence the list of counties now, Helldivers 2 isn't showing up anymore for them.
@@BigAlGamingOne it's unknown as to who made the call to pull the listing based on region. If it's Sony then it means they are doubling down but if its Steam then it's them covering their butts due to not being able to sell a game in good faith that isn't playable in those countries.
@@BigAlGamingOne no, thats just steam protecting players from getting scammed by sony.
@@AlexLee-je5jgwich means that Steam will probally accept a lot of refunds from those regions and that will make AH and Sony begin to get desperate
@@BigAlGamingOne That does not make sense from a business perspective. I don't know if those numbers are true ( haven't checked them ) but IF they are - they would be excluding ~ 60 % of the global population from playing the game which is insanity.
That is horrendous. If the game was always going to require a PSN membership as suggested, then it never should have been listed on steam in those countries where PSN was never available. The more I see and think about this, the more this actually seems like a really severe, actual legal issue. This is inexcusable, and Sony should be sued for it on a global level. Like an actual coalition.
From what iv heard, that 2 hours are AUTOMATIC refunds. If you refund after that they manually process it.
@pffboahkeineahnung Yep, gotta keep trying to refund until you get a person
Choose "Multiplayer doesn't work" and tell them that it has a third party system.
This really is the scene with obi wan saying “you where the chosen one. It was said you would destroy the sith (modern gaming) not join them!”. Sucks man. This was looking at a major goty possibly. And we know it’s not arrowhead. We know. Just sucks man.
The ceo admitted he knew this requirement for months before launch and said he should have said something about it but the game was doing so well. They are to blame too.
Being a game dev myself I feel so bad for Arrow Head devs. -__-
Yeah right and I’m a ceo
Community Manager even cant defend Sony. These CM are real deal for driving conversation. And they fkin now, the problem with Sony is Sony own Policies when PSN account cant be made for that many country.
You know what? This is probably best day for them since they can be more humane and justified Things to defense/Argue. Good for them.
@@realah3001 Being a game dev isn't actually that uncommon....
Note to all: never let a mega corporation be a publisher for a game you worked countless hours upon
@@Reelixneither is being a dick like the guy you replied to lol
one thing im refunding for is Sony requires govt ID or a facial scan in the UK, not giving that data to sony
I was amazed when I saw that. Glad I made 30+ PSN accounts on PS3 all those years ago.
I'm sorry but WHAT?????
ain't no way man.....
@@-404notfound-74 it's been on the subreddit, discord and twitter
You're right you shouldn't give them your biometrics. Sony had been breached before, and if they got breached again, you'd need to permanently worry about your bank accounts etc.
“Breached” more like “sale of personal data disguised as a breach”
I genuinely feel so bad for the CEO, he seems so sad about this. They really have made a great game.
He obviously never wanted what sony has forced on them
In the same twitter thread shown in video someone asked what should he do if he is a country that doesn't support PSN, the CEO replied with and i quote "I don't know."
The CEO don't foresee the Sony issue and now he pays the price for not have the guts to stand up.
@@sebastianvergara9543He literally CAN'T stand up. He'll instantly be canned and replaced with someone who will play ball.
@@NorthernNorthdude91749 Then he is weak person and the damage can't not be fixed. Maybe that issue can be call Darwinist issue it can't evolute can easy go to extinction.
@@sebastianvergara9543 the CEO probably signed the contract agreeing to psn accounts...
Sony: “Finally, now that we killed that goose we can really focus on these golden eggs.”
i hope the aftermath of all this will show all new studios to not get in bed with Sony.
It's like Hasbro, Disney and Ubisoft
Or maybe actually look at who cause this issue. Who sold the game?? How about telling Steam they should have never sold to places that couldn't use the 3rd party stuff that was there since Day 1. But Sony hate bois don't give two shits but let every other company have need to log into their stuff.
@@legomenjj you can still make an account in those countries if you have a ps4 or ps5. Steam doesn't have a saying where he can't sell the game, thats a publishers choice
@@12bng, even without psn or vpn, my friend tested few hours ago. Just make it and play.
@legomenjj what are you talking about the devs that put the game on steam controls where it's sold
It is like ... people from all around the globe were fighting for the same goal for once. (even if it was just a fictional combat, and even if it was for a questionable goal)
And a huge company wasn't pleased with all that unity of people. So they stopped that insanity in it's tracks.
That sounds like a cartoon villain.
@@friendlyspacedragon7250Corpos really are cartoon villains.
i AM LIVING IN HELL
and executives wonder why anti-corporatism is such a thing. someone needs to pull a Silverhand on the offices of Sony
here is their main office, 2207 Bridgepointe Parkway, 94404, San Mateo
Im from one of the countries where the entire PSN thing is under a giant question mark (Latvia), but I requested a refund anyway.
I dont need another launcher, I dont want my data on another system, for all the faults Steam has, it has proven itself over the years.
Fuck Sony.
Those who dive together, stay together! 🤜🤛
I still don't understand, why the hell are the Baltic states in that list??
Actually one of the most horrible things ive ever seen in gaming history
I'd say it's one of the most fun. Rivaled only by Toddy's Scamfailed. Or FAILpunk v0.2
I dont even play the game and i think this is one of the biggest Fk up aside from Overwatch 2
@@ghiffaribara2949 I agree but its even worse because Blizzard fucked up themselves and Arrowhead-Studio didnt Initiate this and now they are getting bashed for it while Sony hides from the consequences and let AH-Studio eat all the shit that comes
@@deku5803 Yeah, I hope Sony doesn't double down on the decision and reverse it. The damage is already done but at least they can lessen it and show it to us that they hear us. They could've made an incentive like game rewards when linking with PSN instead of forcing its player, that would've been better
@@ghiffaribara2949 Sony did nothing wrong. Steam decided to sell in banned countries of PSN. Do you yell at milk supplier's or the store you bought the milk at if its expired?
To me, this indicates that Sony has no intention of backing down. So, unfortunatly, RIP Helldivers 2
well
i try refund it to no avail ? but i actually have no hope at all ... and i wil do something i never did (like try refund game ) make it dissapear from my library i will wait till the date of doom nánd than make it gone i not play till i get what i pay for anymore i want a refund actually so pissed i am even i love game just to make a point and i not get it -.-'
and then there are people "we still have 100k player, stop lying"
yeah sure bud, unless SONY accept their stupid decision and revert the change...we will see that number again when they enforce it at the end of MAY shall we?
It won’t matter, current player base is still15x greater that what was originally anticipated. They’re making money either way.
@@alejandrosantana5693 that is the dumbest way to look at it. "they're making money either way" why would a company want to put a dent in their profits from the only successful game they've released this year. either they have an ulterior motive to the account linking (i.e selling data when they're "hacked") OR they actually dont care about the money.
@@alejandrosantana5693 business perspective it could have been more and the solution is easy. why? ego? or they just simply don't care about customers?
It won’t last. Less players means less money being spent, which means less funds to improve the game with content. The content will start to run dry as they don’t have the same momentum. People start to leave since things get samey, and it snowballs into complete shutdown like all live service eventually do.
The thing they should fear more is the brand damage. Nobody trusts Sony, and Arrowhead will also bear the brunt. Who is going to play a new Sony published online game after this? Who is going to trust Arrowhead if they continue to lay with Sony?
@@TheCodeakira It's a corporation. They do what they want and don't give a fk. Back down? Never!
This tells us that Valve themselves were unaware of the impending PSN requirement, just like the rest of us. So much for the "It was clearly on the store page since day 1!!11!" argument
Nooo it tells us Valve doesn't read every games page. It was there, Sony was the one that allowed the game to be sold where they shouldn't have. Valve is just mad they have to refund
I don't play Helldivers but this situation has me so sad for you guys. I'm so glad Steam is giving out refunds.
it doesn`t ? game out for months ???? i have almost 300 hours playtime i filed for 4th time now and not get anything back i was robbed and cheated what the fuck u talk about ?
Changing fundamental terms of sale after the fact. It's not time to request refunds, it's class action lawsuit time.
Companies do that all the time. It's time to push back against this bullshit
@@anele3426 The key difference here is the clear malicious intent in not just changing the TOS right after saying bullshit like this, they not only lied about always intending to do the PSN changes (Becuase if they weren’t lying then they intended to scam thousands of people across the globe), but they also fucking clearly are only doing this for their shareholders to see a boom in PSN account numbers
Which isn’t gonna happen now because they just fucking nuked their own game. In chest terms, this is like blundering the Queen when you were 1 away from checkmate with a pawn
I really want to be a fly on the wall at the Sony offices. Who made this call, and why. What are they thinking? I'm genuinely baffled.
Its the same guy who changed the UNITY TOS. The strategy is to hope that people calm down and the only lose 10% of the player base, but gain more than that in new PSN accounts, which looks good on quarterly reports to shareholders
Imagine destroying your goodwill for the ability to ban people
i honestly cant imagin how pilestedt is feeling right now, helldivers2 the golden child of arrowhead quite litterally murdered right in front or his verry eyes. how many years of work went into this game? and it took just about 3 days
7 years
7 years of hard work, down the drain😢
You're being overly dramatic, the playerbase will take a hit, but I doubt it's a majority that will be leaving.
The fantasy of a super earth has been killed
Hell Divers 2 coming to Epic/Prime gaming as a free to own forever game in 2026.
Starting to understand why in some other countries corruption and fraud is punishable by death.
I can't believe this. Helldivers 2 is such a massive hit, millions of copies sold, so much money made - and its still selling. Why would Sony willingly torpedo this? Man. I feel bad for Arrowhead. Just a ridiculous situation, what a joke. Almost speechless.
Because business execs, for the most part are dredged from the ignorami of society. Lol, also have 0 gaming knowledge nor understanding of the word "community"
They want big Q1 subscription numbers
They probably got offended by the fact that this indie game was outperforming titles they SWORE were going to be the best games of the year.
The little guys started showing up the top dogs, and they needed to show their dominance by destroying it.
Unistall the game, leave a bad review, VOTE OR DIE, make your voices heard. CMs told us to do so and decided to go to war with the player base? So shall be! Steam already refunding 98+ hours played accounts. Greek god Gabe at it again. Sony changing the wording is also incredibly scummy.
shame valve has to pay for sony's greed. hopefully it comes from sony's account
This is Steam's issue in the First place but you guys clearly cant see that. Steam sold the game not Sony
I'm with you on everything but that P Diddy "vote or die" slogan you used.
@@TheChrisLouis cry more
@@legomenjj when u upload a game u can add restrictions to its sales, so it's on Sony probably since I'm gonna assume the publisher published the game
Congratulations Sony you have taken a game that was fantastic on release and made it completely dire, congratulations.
PlayStation 5/5/2024 - 9:30PM PST: Helldivers fans -- we've heard your feedback on the Helldivers 2 account linking update. The May 6 update, which would have required Steam and PlayStation Network account linking for new players and for current players beginning May 30, will not be moving forward.
We're still learning what is best for PC players and your feedback has been invaluable. Thanks again for your continued support of Helldivers 2 and we'll keep you updated on future plans.
There is still hope Helldivers! Do not give up on Sweet Liberty just yet!
if they don't go back on this i'm refunding
just attempt refund now.
NOW is the time to refund
Tried to refund yesterday, was denied
@@Switchtense-ffyou need to say something like "sony has made some changes i did not agree to." in the refund reason
I suggest try refunding now while steam is accepting refunds from players with 90+ hours.
From a delisted region over here using a PSN account that is in a different country - Game works now, but we dont know if it will when the mandatory linking kicks in on May 30th. So we might lose access permanantly after that day due to our steam being in a ineligible region. Steam already declined refunding 4 times, waiting on the 5th. Regardless will be asking for a refund until they give one because sony deserves all that is happening. I feel sad for AH because the game is really good and its fun and was on the path to become GOTY 2024 nominee.
Refunds hurt Sony income for this month from steam because steam doesnt refund them the cut they took from the sales.
Sony deserves to sit infront of a charger an get bitten by thousand hunters.
Contact support. Don't ask for a refund via the launcher. That one goes trough a robot.
Just a work around and TBH this was a dick move by Sony:
My PC Friends were able to figure out how to log into PSN
without VPN and they were not autobanned.
We're from the PHilippines so our country has never been supported
by PSN. So ever since Ps3 Era we've always made accounts from other regions
like Hong Kong or Singapore.
So yes it's correct that if you log in it will take you to a country not supported
page at log in screen of Playstation Network. However, they found out
you can just change the country / region at the bottom left corner of the screen
so they just chose the Country of Account where their PSN IDs were made (Hong Kong)
and then they successfully logged in(after refreshing) their existing PSN accounts and HD2 passed the test with a check mark on the account link status.
@@12Music72 Yeah reached out already. Waiting on the respond
Sony is banning accounts created like yours open a ticket with steam support and explain the situation, a human will answer you, not a bot.
@@mercylackhello. i'm filipino. did you link via the psn website or did you go through somewhere in the game and get redirected to a site? i'm not sure where i'm supposed to be doing this
This is what happens when corporate focus on stock prices over product, when they forgot that their clients are the gamers not the share holders, they start making decisions like this, the resulting consumer backlash has ended many big name companies.
I agree in spirit but would point out that it is the job of the company to make money for their shareholders. Literally. They do not care about us.
Right in the middle of watching this I got an @ from the helldivers2 discord saying that the plan to force link psn accounts has been discontinued!