By looking at your steering inputs, it looks like it has quite a lot of understeer compared to the GR Yaris for example. What are your thoughts about that?
Well the understeer is definitelly worse with the R, generally because 4motion where you wait for rear to “check in” 😂 and also the R is missing the handbrake, which can help a lot in the initial phase. But to be clear, this has been shot mostly on icy surface, few days after snowing, so the road would be generally pretty difficult with any car on regular snow tires without studs. If you check the “first snow 2020” vid, thats on fresh snow and its clear the car works great in perfect conditions. Those early GR Yaris vids were shot on fresh snow. The Yaris can handle the understeer much better, but it is there too, as at any 4wd car.
In these conditions any car will understeer on the initial turn, especially if it's a rather quick turn. You can't expect a car to instantly rotate when turning in on snowy/icy surfaces unless you got some seriously dedicated stud tyres on but even then... There's only so much a front axle can transfer on snowy/icy rotes, at least initially...
Hey, I am thinking about buying 2015 Golf R manual. Can you tell me how does is feel to winter drift (i am somewhat sceptic about haldex diff). Always used rwd and quattro cars (rwd bias 40/60 torque split) for my winter fun. Does the back end comes out like gr yaris, or do you have to throw car more to corners with weight transfer? Just generally, is it just as fun as rwd bias 4wd? Thanks a lot
Hey, its actually hard to explain, its not as good as GR Yaris, especially not as good as the facelifted one now. But, its not bad either - please watch th-cam.com/video/cM6fTL-vU4Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=n1VEtXfcOhdiVBfq - there you can see several situations, where the drift was initiated by gas pedal, note there is some initial second for any car to start sliding on the snow, but generally even the R does what it shoud on the snow. I have spent 4 winters with it and I would go for another R if there wasnt the GR Yaris. No reason to be sceptical really.
Great, thanks a lot for answering. For me the winter sliding is the best part ever, so good to hear it is enjoyable in Golf R. I was thinking about keeping my MR2 just for the winters, but good to know its not necessary if Golf R is also capable of being winter funmobile. Cheers ;)
I have a mk6 R and have experienced that rear "check-in" you mentioned. I have found it to be rather inconsistent or haven't found a way to consistently get the power to the rear to make the back end step out. Any tips on how to get the power to the rear more consistently? I hate understeer in snow so I try to use the back end stepping out as a way to combat understeer, but the inconsistency is an issue for sure. Also, do you have the esp or whatever it's called (not the traction control that can be turned off with the button) disabled with a vagcom or something? Whenever I get my car to step out, at a certain point it starts doing some heavy brake and wheel to wheel power management to stop the slide and get the car back straight (which works insanely well but sometimes you just want to slide, ya know?).
Hello, 7R is the first generation of R model with esp truly off. If I hold the button, it really switches off and does not interfere. There are rare moments when it interfere even with esp fully off - like if you brake too hard in full contra. Looks more like pre-crash thing, because it always tighten the seatbelts too like I should hit something. What I found out, to improve the understeer generally, is 1/ trailbraking - start the drift with hitting brakes shortly when turning steering wheel a little into the corner, that moves weight to front and the car naturally gets oversteerish. Then just floor it and there u go. This just requires higher entering speed (compared to starting the drift with gas) and better learn this somewhere safe. On the other hand - mastering this gives you chance to start the drift earlier and you have more room for execution in the exiting part. 2/ using “double gas” I found very effective - if you hit the gas and release it for fraction of second then hit it again (really on/off/on in a half second), on the second gas the power at rear is no lag whatsoever. The power is there instantly. Yet its a 4wd and as any other 4wd there will be understeer situations. Best find the right balance of the car, be calm on the steering wheel (that is superimportant - it keeps the car planted and under control), learn to use gentle brakes during slides. Have fun sliding your R! :-)
@@GR_Yaris Thank you for the knowledge! My R is the first AWD vehicle I've driven so it's been a bit of a learning curve, especially from what I'm used to (rwd mainly). I learned from last year that the techniques for rwd don't translate the best to the R (mainly using gas and slightly heavier initial steering input to start the drift). Almost feels like rwd is more of an on demand in the moment feel where AWD is more of a planned ahead feel. Anyways, thank you again for the info, I'm looking even more so forward to the snow so I can try out those techniques!
@@GR_Yaris oh yeah, Scandinavian flick works on everything, awd, rwd, fwd, doesn't matter. Not my preferred way of starting a drift but it works just about every time
@@Mosstachio Back in 2016 the R was my first AWD after a couple of ordinary FWD cars. I have spent many days in Lungau area on ice tracks in Austria, that was just a great way how to learn, improve and understand the car, in a safe way. Well safe-ish as you can see on this vid in 1:30-1:42. th-cam.com/video/1N_Y4HbM7_0/w-d-xo.html That was pretty close haha. I would suggest you those ice tracks, if you have those somewhere around, thats the most intensive and safe driving sideways you can find.
I have nice memories for that time, but no. I have moved on. GR Yaris is different beast, and second family car is more practical. But for the situation having only one car for everything, the R would still be my choice 👍🏻
Lovely, I love the fact that the both cars are Variants
Amazing driving dude. Car looks heaps of fun in the snow. I wonder what tyres you were driving with in the snow there on the Golf R?
Thanks! Those were Continental TS850
@@GR_Yaris Thanks for the informations mate!
agresivni ridic gang where are u at ?
By looking at your steering inputs, it looks like it has quite a lot of understeer compared to the GR Yaris for example.
What are your thoughts about that?
Well the understeer is definitelly worse with the R, generally because 4motion where you wait for rear to “check in” 😂 and also the R is missing the handbrake, which can help a lot in the initial phase. But to be clear, this has been shot mostly on icy surface, few days after snowing, so the road would be generally pretty difficult with any car on regular snow tires without studs. If you check the “first snow 2020” vid, thats on fresh snow and its clear the car works great in perfect conditions. Those early GR Yaris vids were shot on fresh snow. The Yaris can handle the understeer much better, but it is there too, as at any 4wd car.
how do you do ? my r even with the controls off cuts power asr and esc
@@djmarkino94 completely off (long press) or just one click (esc sport)?
@@MT-07_FIN long press
In these conditions any car will understeer on the initial turn, especially if it's a rather quick turn. You can't expect a car to instantly rotate when turning in on snowy/icy surfaces unless you got some seriously dedicated stud tyres on but even then... There's only so much a front axle can transfer on snowy/icy rotes, at least initially...
Did you have dcc? And if so what setting did you use :) cheers from Finland, amazing driving
2:07 je už slušná náletová rychlost :D
Diky;-)) ono to jen vypada :-) tahle zatacka jde projet ve skutecnosti mnohem lip, na lepsim povrchu, jen to nemam natocene :-))
@@GR_Yaris golf 8R manual ？
@@lininglaixilaixi4387 Golf 7R Variant DSG ;)
With the sun glasses you just need to open a can 🍾 of sun just beside you
Hey, I am thinking about buying 2015 Golf R manual. Can you tell me how does is feel to winter drift (i am somewhat sceptic about haldex diff). Always used rwd and quattro cars (rwd bias 40/60 torque split) for my winter fun. Does the back end comes out like gr yaris, or do you have to throw car more to corners with weight transfer? Just generally, is it just as fun as rwd bias 4wd? Thanks a lot
Hey, its actually hard to explain, its not as good as GR Yaris, especially not as good as the facelifted one now. But, its not bad either - please watch th-cam.com/video/cM6fTL-vU4Y/w-d-xo.htmlsi=n1VEtXfcOhdiVBfq - there you can see several situations, where the drift was initiated by gas pedal, note there is some initial second for any car to start sliding on the snow, but generally even the R does what it shoud on the snow. I have spent 4 winters with it and I would go for another R if there wasnt the GR Yaris. No reason to be sceptical really.
Great, thanks a lot for answering. For me the winter sliding is the best part ever, so good to hear it is enjoyable in Golf R. I was thinking about keeping my MR2 just for the winters, but good to know its not necessary if Golf R is also capable of being winter funmobile. Cheers ;)
@@MrKaurkass the best way to find out would be to find a local rental and have the R/Cupra rented for a week once its snowing :)
I have a mk6 R and have experienced that rear "check-in" you mentioned. I have found it to be rather inconsistent or haven't found a way to consistently get the power to the rear to make the back end step out.
Any tips on how to get the power to the rear more consistently? I hate understeer in snow so I try to use the back end stepping out as a way to combat understeer, but the inconsistency is an issue for sure.
Also, do you have the esp or whatever it's called (not the traction control that can be turned off with the button) disabled with a vagcom or something? Whenever I get my car to step out, at a certain point it starts doing some heavy brake and wheel to wheel power management to stop the slide and get the car back straight (which works insanely well but sometimes you just want to slide, ya know?).
Hello, 7R is the first generation of R model with esp truly off. If I hold the button, it really switches off and does not interfere. There are rare moments when it interfere even with esp fully off - like if you brake too hard in full contra. Looks more like pre-crash thing, because it always tighten the seatbelts too like I should hit something.
What I found out, to improve the understeer generally, is
1/ trailbraking - start the drift with hitting brakes shortly when turning steering wheel a little into the corner, that moves weight to front and the car naturally gets oversteerish. Then just floor it and there u go. This just requires higher entering speed (compared to starting the drift with gas) and better learn this somewhere safe. On the other hand - mastering this gives you chance to start the drift earlier and you have more room for execution in the exiting part.
2/ using “double gas” I found very effective - if you hit the gas and release it for fraction of second then hit it again (really on/off/on in a half second), on the second gas the power at rear is no lag whatsoever. The power is there instantly. Yet its a 4wd and as any other 4wd there will be understeer situations. Best find the right balance of the car, be calm on the steering wheel (that is superimportant - it keeps the car planted and under control), learn to use gentle brakes during slides. Have fun sliding your R! :-)
3/ scandinavian flick I forgot. I use that one quite often. Especially in this vid.
@@GR_Yaris Thank you for the knowledge! My R is the first AWD vehicle I've driven so it's been a bit of a learning curve, especially from what I'm used to (rwd mainly). I learned from last year that the techniques for rwd don't translate the best to the R (mainly using gas and slightly heavier initial steering input to start the drift). Almost feels like rwd is more of an on demand in the moment feel where AWD is more of a planned ahead feel. Anyways, thank you again for the info, I'm looking even more so forward to the snow so I can try out those techniques!
@@GR_Yaris oh yeah, Scandinavian flick works on everything, awd, rwd, fwd, doesn't matter. Not my preferred way of starting a drift but it works just about every time
@@Mosstachio Back in 2016 the R was my first AWD after a couple of ordinary FWD cars. I have spent many days in Lungau area on ice tracks in Austria, that was just a great way how to learn, improve and understand the car, in a safe way. Well safe-ish as you can see on this vid in 1:30-1:42. th-cam.com/video/1N_Y4HbM7_0/w-d-xo.html That was pretty close haha. I would suggest you those ice tracks, if you have those somewhere around, thats the most intensive and safe driving sideways you can find.
do you miss the golf r?
I have nice memories for that time, but no. I have moved on. GR Yaris is different beast, and second family car is more practical. But for the situation having only one car for everything, the R would still be my choice 👍🏻
Ahoj, takže se dá se 7mou Rkem v DSG dobře driftit na sněhu? Díky
Mrkni na video First snow 2020 ;-)
@@GR_Yaris můžeš mi to napsat černý na bilim?😅😅 jde to dobře?😅
@@Kolorado9 jde to dobre, ale je lepsi se podivat, co to dokaze, protoze kazdy ti muze navykladat kdeco.
What is your tire setup?
I was using Continental ts850/860 on the Golf R. On this video the tires were already quite worn.