Sorting Out Dad's Ute! It Won't Start!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ต.ค. 2024
- The little 318 in Dad's Ute doesn't want to start, so we investigate to find out what the problem is.
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Great that the mistakes are being left in as a teaching moment and not edited out, like I'm sure some TH-camrs would do!
@@mysticgreg it's the only way we all learn
@@blownhemi Totally agree. Can't wait for the next ep!
We're all Human and we all make mistakes from time to time.
Hi Scotty, look at 15.30. I recon you have a stray spark at No.2 (or is it No.1) spark plug lead to plug. On the drivers side front cylinder. Great work mate. Love Dads ute and the history behind it.
I'll take a look
Yep definitely, good spot.
Eagle eyes there! You are right.
Clearly good eyes it may be plug lead 1 not connected properly
I just watched the video to see what you were looking at and I don't think it's a stray spark. I think it's a loose piece of electrical tape flapping about, but I'll take a look on the weekend. Scotty
Reminds me of the 12 volt sparkplug cleaner I used in the 1980's that sandblasted the plugs clean :-)
Sounded like a coffee grinder but she cleaned plugs well enough to run another week or two, KLG brand plugs which were black so you had to look closely but even with leaded Super fuel sooty plugs were sooty plugs.
yrs ago just about all garages had spark plug cleaner / testers,as well as quite a few plugs kept on the shelf , Champion and K.L.G Made some good machines ,they had built in sand blaster & could test for visable spark to see if were dead .when they come up for sale now they want crazy money if they are complete and full operational
Is this the same bloke I saw doing a Haltech install in the latest Street Machine?
Bloody celebrity mate!!! 😊
Haha, yeah. I was pretty happy to install all the Haltech gear myself and get it to run without having to call in any experts.
my dad gave the plugs, a bowl of diesel, a brush and a rag, the start of the garage traineeship.
Quick easy way to clean fouled plugs , if you have a gas torch wave them over the flame a bit.
I'll have to try that next time
@@blownhemi
I was going to suggest that, also if you do get it going with fouling plugs you can labour the engine and it will burn them clean.
Scotty, it's great that you make mistakes as it makes great content. It takes me back to my younger days when we used to go to mates backyards every Saturday & muck around with our cars. I have a very sneaky feeling that you'll go back to the 650cfm.
Back in the day when we had to go to the parts store, we had to do it before midday on a Saturday. 10 of us would pile in my mates HJ panel van cos we all needed parts from the same store!
Yeah, working with mates on cars when we were younger were definitely the good old days.
Plugs are cheap... Those are words that you will never hear come out of my mouth. I remember when they were $1 each, now that was cheap. You could afford to change them as needed. If you can't get new plugs, then a point file comes in real handy as the main area you need clean is the tip and the ground. You can always close them up a bit too until you get fresh plugs.
I must admit to having owned one of those little 12volt Spark plug sand blasters. At least 50 years ago. Great episode, Scotty.
Tell ya what Scotty…… that Ute with a 340 Six pack under the hood would look nice ! 👍🥃🇦🇺
It sure would, maybe that is something to aspire to in the future. Dad's would definitely approve.
@@blownhemi I bet he would. 👍
10:50 i once bought new plugs for my barra, and they had been heavily used. Someone swapped the plugs out of the box and returned 🤣
What the hell, that's crazy. Who would do that?
@blownhemi i dunno, but bursons were just as shocked 😲
Just be careful with metal based anti sizing paste.
It will harden up and tighten up the plugs or bolts at the thread.
My very first Valiant the VE Ute
We missed you like crazy Scotty
You’re old school
I hope you’re not being screwed over
Times are tough for lots of people and us
Love from Tamworth
Nah, I'm just trying to motivate myself into getting my cars going.
Try smaller idle jets Scotty. At idle the size of the carbs venturi isn't really an issue as the trottle blades are mostly closed so it'll all be down to the idle jets. Bigger carb may show its size driving around town at part throttle coming off the idle circuit and the engine may bog down but that can also be down to the main jets and emulsion tubes being the wrong size. Whacking a wideband in the exhaust with a dash gauge is a great way to road tune old carb'd engines.
She sounds beautiful, great job👌
I think you might be ovetfueling the old girl Scottie. I found a 500 Holy was just fantastic on a 318 Fireball which in turn as I found out was a factory import high compression unit when they ran out of standard 318 Fireballs. I wish I still had that car.
I clean old plugs in an ultra sonic cleaner with Acetone, sometimes give them a light blast with an abrasive plug cleaner. I also used to buy plugs from rockauto as they were cheaper even with postage a couple of years ago.
Lukily I have a contact at the local Burson's who gets me a decent discount, but I'd hate to be paying retail.
I agree , leave the mistakes in . Its the best way to learn and gage how old ( i ) am getting and forgetting what i learnt 40 years ago! If i have to fix something on our cars i winge about it untill the misses says , at least you can do it and not have to pay a workshop !
I love how tidy the engine bay is on this thing. Sounds great!
Hi Scotty hope you an family doing well love your videos keep good work up 👍
I love that sound.
@LV-FOURTWENTYSIX it's a great sounding car
You're never going to get out of the habit of ending on "future episodes of x x x" are ya mate
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I'm working my way around to it :)
Sounds good Scotty!
It runs and start's. Better then earlier. 👍
Much better
Nothing like a MSD box to clean up a low vac idle. Even a absolute bottom end model like a Street fire. It transformed my Hemi 6 even running the stock carb. Loads better than any of the other more period electronic ignitions. 15 deg of spark makes a massive difference.
Good one mate, might get a new set of candles for my old inter farm truck after watching this. All the best. Cheers
Haha, youve got my lucas vacuum gauge !
I want it back when youve finished with it!
Haha.
I worked in spares and I would've taken those plugs back or at least exchanged them. They weren't run in the car they just had some paste on them. Great thing to show others too. Shit happens. Don't be a shamed of doing things the "old" way. If you'd got the plugs clean that could've shown someone else a trick they may have never thought of. Love the basic stuff. We all should know it for situations like this.
This is more watchable than Carnage. Good job
I'm both happy and horrified to hear that. I'm happy that you enjoy the content but it sounds like I needy to do a better job on Carnage.
@@blownheminah, you're good mate 🤙
@@blownhemi Your work on Carnage is fine, but the videos are edited to keep a little bit too much footage of just doing work that we've already seen a few times before.
A wideband would be handy for shed tuning, my Innovate LM2 comes in handy for tuning idle
They're a good tool but out of my budget
Ooh, finally turning some spanners 🔧 🙌
The shed is looking shmicko as well 🙌
Yep, I needed to do some "talky videos" to start things off, but now it's time to get on the tools and get stuff done. The shed is slowly coming along but I need to build some more storage.
@@blownhemi The talky videos are still good too 👌
Thanks for the vid Scotty! Ahh, farm life back in the day, i can remember doing all those things to keep the cars (bikes farm trucks pumps gennys) running too. No snappy trips down the road for parts, just make it work somehow ;) (we were only a little closer, between you and Gulgong...)
Good old Gulgong. I remember buying my first .22 there, from a little old lady who sold second hand furniture and stuff. She was this tiny little thing and had boxes of brand new semi-auto .22s, I used to buy ammo from her as well.
@@blownhemi - with the gun & ammo laws today do that and get locked up :)
I go further west to Forbes and the major surrounding regions like Grenfill & Burcher (know a few good farmers out there that let us on there properties) also north west to Albert (up the Bogan way) and then onto Five Ways, try to get out there at least once a year for good hunting.
@351tgv yep, it's very different now. This was way back in the kare 80s and she was a licensed firearms and ammo dealer. I used to buy 22ammo from the local milk bar and take it home on the school bus - true story.
@@blownhemi - very very very different, but also way safer at the same time. never own CF Refills more a shotgun person.
Sounds mint.
Hey scotty I've got an e49 powered pacer on 11.1 comp drove it from melb to Cairns after a fresh rebuild didn't miss a beat until town driving the issue I found was spark plugs had changed there heat range and rating which caused fowling of plugs I just went next range up and that was on 98 octane
I'm hoping the change in heat range has some effect
If you have a butane, propane, gas etc torch a hot flame will usually burn the deposits off of a fouled spark plug enough to make it fire again.
If your running 98 octane, be aware it's not designed for carbs, due to all the additives in the fuel it doesn't atomize properly through a carb and can lead to plugs fouling
@@582motorsports8 interesting, I've never heard that before
@blownhemi I've had trouble over the years with my race bikes and a few cars over the years have issues fouling plugs on 98, a engine tuner was the one that told me, also said BP 98 was the better of all the 98 octane fuels at the time, was due to the specific gravity and density of the fuel going through a carb, it didn't atomize properly because the fuel was designed for fuel injectiom.....that was back in the early 2000's, but fuel could be better now.
Hmm interesting. 98 does have a lot of detergents in it supposedly to keep the engine clean, thats prob ok for injection but they would have a different SG than fuel so could cause issues.
100% go to 95 octane you'll notice the difference straight away. My 355 hi comp holden engine would not run on 98.. 95 in her and runs spot on
Even on newer cars I've seen cold start problems with 98
Thanks for another great video mate
Hi Scotty i used work small engines and of 2 stoke engines alway fauled spark plug and we used to grind down old hacksaw blades into apiont to get down deep into the plugs to help clean them
Hey Scotty. Try checking you intake manifold bolts . They do loosen up , especially with alum heads. Expansion and contraction
I don't think that's the problem but you're right it's been a couple years since I've done a spanner check on the engine.
You'll be surprised mate. If your fouling plugs and vacuum is low the air charge is leaking somewhere .
@conhemi50 it's a biggish cam, so engine vacuum will be low.
Does ya Mrs know you knocked off her table cloth lol
Do the Edelbrock carbys use a power valve, My Quickfuel carb I couldn't get it lean enough at idle & low rpm cause the power valves were opening due to low vacumn
They have something similar, one in either side
I’ve had a few Edelbrock carbs and they all ran rich no matter what I did with them. Always ended up replacing with a Holley.
" those plugs are Richer than Oprah"
You need to focus more on the idle jet fuel not the idel mixture screws and that will stop the plugs from fouling . A Holley would be easier to adjust if you had the right 1 . A older Holley can be modified with set screws and small drill bits that will make it more tunable .
I will be looking at that
Not sure what size jets are in the carb but changing the jets to smaller ones like the ones in the 600 for the primaries would be a start, i had a astron and played with the jets in that carb and seen 9500 rpm with stock internals just by leaning the top end jet down to 150 from the 190 it had
It'll need rejetting for maximum power, but the main jets don't influence the idle circuit
Sand paper works a charm
Ahhh the induction noise of a carburettor engine how i miss you .
I know, it's just not the same with EFI is it?
@@blownhemi yep miss my 253 and 308 carby engines have to live with the efi 304 . The sound you get when you plant your foot to the floor with a v8 carburettor engine can't be replaced . Yes fuel economy and power with efi is great but it doesn't give the same feeling .
It can be easy sometimes to forget the basics and chase your tail trying to get issues sorted
My 2c (which of course you already know):
New plugs & gap them correctly
Check leads for resistance, cap and rotor aren’t corroded
Coil is the right one and getting the right amount of voltage
Timing is right at idle, max idle is right and the vac can works
Also don’t overlook an O2 sensor for a carb car. I’m surprised how far off you get tuning by ear or vac gauge compared to the afr
Will the AU daily get an episode? Everybody loves one of those.
It sounds like people want to see it, so maybe I'll throw it into the mix
@@blownhemi - go the mighty AU, my AU S2 E:Gas (dedicated LPG) hates cold morning starts here in Sydney but once engine reaches operating temp the wild fuel consumption returns back to normal and due to all that bottom end torque pulls like a train which is great when driving to the CBD and back.
a dyno doesnt lie scotty ,hint hint
Best method to bring a plug back from foul is to hit the electrode and strap with a blow torch. Get it glowing, give it a brush, and throw them back in.
I have heard that
You probably already knew, but Looks like ya might have a loose bolt on the extractor mate @ 6:12
@@robtaylor5891 I'll take a look, thanks for the heads up
When you gunna finish cleaning under the bonnet?
LOVE DADS UTE
@anthonycavendish6609 it's much cleaner than it used to be, but yeah, I need to finish it
No one ever makes one trip to the parts store
@@spacemonkey5896 this is true
iam not one to bag brands , having said that ive had problems with NGKs when rebuilding my norton and little honda , once the NGKs fouled, the plugs didnt want to know about it, they were useless....i swapped them over for other brands , no problems.
I must admit, I've used NGK for a lot of years, but also had good luck with Denso plugs
same ive been an NGK fanboy for yrs , but started having problems with them just recently, they wouldnt spark up so i pulled the leads off a little bit and they would spark fit them properly and no spark.....a fellow on the norton forum was having the same issue. probably not an issue with a motor already tuned but when rebuilding or swapping carbs and then tuning and plugs foul it becomes an issue.
Spotto an in-line Ford 6 behind the Ute 😁
There's a couple Barra's back there that belong to Carnage
@@blownhemi then you should have a go at porting one Scotty 👍
Barra Cylinder Head Porting, How to port.
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using your Wifes wedding dress to clean the plugs - nice
Because it needs ITBs and EFI.
How to work out the carby size, cubic inch x rpm divide 3456 so 318x6500divide3456=598.021 cfm, so by that the carby is to big.
The formula tends to work best for Holley carbs, also I've seen many engines perform better on the dyno using bigger carbies than that formula recommends
@@blownhemi but his carby is a holly , and it’s just a general rule.✌️
@@rideswithhoover9789 whose carby is a Holley?
Scotty, why don't you put a longer tube on the Vacuum Gauge so you can hang it on the bonnet?
I didn't have any long vacuum line in the shed unfortunately
I saw the Rustoleum wagon in the back , any updates?
Next week, we'll have some news
@@blownhemi Thanks I haven't seen it on Carnage in a long time and just found your personal channel.
Hey scotty, did you use to work at the dandaloo hotel in dapto by any chance?
@@JoshWhitehead-j9t yep, how did you guess that?
I was born an bred in dapto scotty, my mum use to work there the same time as you did, I remember you when I was a young tacka hahahah. 100% top bloke absolute legend keep doing what your doing man loving the content 👌👌❤
Thanks for your videos Scotty. Have a coffee on me.
Dan V
Thank you mate, that's awesome. I think that's the first financial donation we've ever had through TH-cam. Have a great week.
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holley 650-750dp would do wonders on that thing,those edelbrocks straight in the bin,personal opinion of course
We all have our favourites
Hi Scotty, is that a 318 fireball engine?,
It's a 318, the Fireball was a high-comp engine option. this engine is high compression but it makes more than a Fireball would have made.
Hey scotty i was told anti seize isn't needed as most manufacturers put an anti seize coating on the threads.
Whats your take on this?
I don't think that's the case myself. I like the confidence that the anti-seize inspires and I've never had a problem. It also helps when you pull the plugs next time. If you've ever pulled plugs out of a 300,000km Barra, you'll know what I mean.
Fake news, AUs never refuse to start!
Good on you Scotty, the ute sounds sweet now. Needs more time working and less time idling is all! :)
I agree the ute needs to get out more, there's just no a lot happening during winter.
@@blownhemi yep it's the eternal struggle with a car like that - and I wouldn't want to be getting it wet and risking it rusting etc... one of those things!
Not true, scotty's is a dual fuel Series I which have issues with cold morning starts as the computer switches from petrol to LPG before engine reaches temp where the coolant can do its job to have the converter to convert liquid to gas, re: those converters do not have the "stepper motor" which is an igniter, also have to be careful the the throttle body does not reject the gas/oxygen mix and blows out the air box (which is known to happen on dual fuel versions) which as Soctty has said before can lead to bending conrods.
It's also the reason why Ford went to the trouble to switch from Dual Petrol/LPG to a dedicated LPG system (or was its Tickford) the warranty repairs were costing them $$$ of those factory dual fuel Falcons.
@@351tgv haha yeah I know, I have 3 of them and they're not immune from acting up - was just joking. :)
@@mahcooharper9577 - I installed a extra heavy duty battery to crank the engine until it fires up, which is good and bad at the same time, good as the battery ahs heaps of power bad for the starter motor, overall the E:Gas Falcon in winter is a gazz guzzler (pardon the pun) fuel economy in metro areas is like 25L per 100km but out on the highway it settles down to around 13L per 100km, which is fine while LPG is still around 95c per litre (here in Sydney) but if it were higher like in regional areas at $1.30 then yeah its not worth driving with that fuel consumption during winter, its just that the engine takes forever to get to operating temp and during that period the system is working hard to keep the engine at steady idle and at the same time provide performance.
During spring and summer no issues and fuel consumption is good at 15L in metro and as low as 9L on the highways.
that motor makes me happy in my pants hahaha sounds killer
I just soak dirty plugs in petrol, does a great job
7s to cold even 6 may be to cold. I would yse 5s on an alloy head 318 streeter
@@davidgriffin2918 6 is what they use on factory 340, but I must admit I didn't take alloy heads into consideration. That's a good point.
3:20 that's what she said
LOL, yeah, I'm trying to keep Carnage things for Carnage.
Geeze Scotty, you better hope your mum doesn't find out you used her best coffee table doily to clean your dirty plugs mate.
Haha!
Couldn’t you just jet the carby down?
I’m surprised you don’t have a surplus of Holleys.
Jetting the carby down doesn't affect the idle mixtures
Scotty just my view feel free to reject it, time to ditch carby and move to fuel injection. yes I know budgets are tight but there are some good Throttle body (so Central Fuel Injection) fuel injection systems and electric fuel pumps with base ECU that can be tuned, for one thing it will sort out cold start air/fuel mix and operating temp idle mix way better than carby ever will.
Of course just my view.
Love the you brought back your own channel, I'll be that person and say that Carnage is getting stale with that awful Commodore Ute build, meh give us more Lexcen, Commodore sedan and Falcon content over there the UTE stuff is a giant commercial for Carnage sponsors, again just an opinion and yes I know sponsors are a nessacary evil.
While EFI would be nice, I don't Dad would have gone that way, which is why I'm choosing to leave it carby for the time being.
@@blownhemi - and that is fair enough, well then if that is the choice made then time to look into what "Holley" carby or "Webber" carby will work for the Valliant. Also I am no mechanic or even your level (I prefer to work on computers and servers) but would not moving to electronic ignition also help or am I wrong on that?
Notice you side stepped the Carnage stuff *wink*wink ... nah all good Scotty keep up the good work.
Probably wants a nice 750 run one on my 318
Yeah, I'll try this 800 on the dyno, but ultimately I think a 750 might be the way to go.
Get a get kit and go down 2 sizes on the idle jets shes way too fat on idle carbys are a pain in the ass they’re either great wide open or great on idle getting them happy in between is definitely a mission
I'll have a look at that
Should run much better with the correct jetts
FOWLED PLUGS BIT OF WD40 AN BRASS WIRE BRUSH BRINGS THEM ROUND WITHOUT DAMAGE
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Any chance of an update on the Mighty AU?
@rowansaxby762 if people are interested, I can certainly do that.
I can tell you whats wrong its not a hemi
A Hemi V8 would be nice
Hi you going to chopped would love to see your dad s ute there i am taking my little brother s tribute ve valiant and my dad s xf tribute ute hardass 1000 ampol ute val s for ever
I think it needs to be older than '68 for Chopped
where did you grow up
Central NSW, that's actually part of an upcoming video
Cheers 👍
Hi Scotty, since you now are the owner of the Trolvo, did you ever think of putting a slant six in as they put out wicked power to the wheels. It would certainly make it different.
Haha, nah, I think that would be a step backwards. Great classic engine but not the engine for the Trolvo.