If you notice they mention in the dialogue that the Gorbals has been gentrified and that this Kochanski lived there and went to a posh virtual boarding school- thus making this very posh version of the character come from a traditionally working-class area of Glasgow to tie in with the original Kochanski's accent.
The really bizarre thing if you actually live in Glasgow is that this joke has now basically happened in real life. I wouldn't say it's a 'posh' area now, but in the ten years after this episode was written they demolished all the rough old crumbling flats, and replaced them with a really nice modern neighbourhood. It's definitely well on the way to what Kochanski is describing!
If you get a chance the Red Dwarf books (1 - Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers and 2 - Better than Life) fill in a lot of back story and, of course, flesh out the characters more. The Kochanski character is an educated officer from a well off family. She went to the best schools (and had a pony). This version of Kochanski fits that well. The original Kochanski was more a an enlisted less educated type (before anyone hates me for this, I was enlisted in the US Air Force and had a BD in Computer Science). Basically Kochanski was, on paper, out of Dave's league, so when their brief relationship ended, Dave was broken up about is and determined to find a a way to end his tour on Red Dwarf as quickly as possible, which is how he ended up in stasis (by his own design). The 3 million year detour was a surprise.
I'd always looked at Lister's sudden claustrophobia as a case of retconning simply to generate a "moment" for Lister and Kochanski... but then, we all had our own idiosyncrasies that don't necessarily stand up to reason...
Did you see Robert Llewellyn's live stream? His channel has been dormant for years, he randomly started streaming a few nights ago. I was in the chat and asked if there would be more Red Dwarf, he pretty much confirmed it. I recommend subscribing to his channel, he answers fans in the chat
@@lisainthestudio Oh, I saw a news article about it - it had photos too. Obviously the actors have aged since the last series, so there's definitely something to it. They were in full make-up and costume too :)
Ah... we had a new "series" just like... last.. ah... well... it wasn't a series... but... it wasn't that long ago, was it? I don't know, I gave up. :(
Another S7 episode I enjoyed far more as an adult than I did when it broadcast and I was 15. Chlöe gets to be funny and warm in it and the chance to “do a Marooned” after so many years was good. Not an amazing episode but a pretty good one. The next few episodes (5,6,7) are all tops.
Fan theory I heard: The reason Kochanski is different is that when the dwarfers beat the inquisitor it re-set everything he did, this is the original Kochanski from before the inquisitor's messing around shenanigans
@@Right_Said_Brett No we saw a psychic projection of the original Kochanski taken from Lister's mind. Lister having been part of the reason that the inquisitor's demise may have been shielded from some of the temporal effect and thus retain some of the memories.
It took four fire hoses to unleash that torrent of water on the cast, according to Craig Charles. Also, in the extended version, Lister tells the story of a kid at the orphanage he nicknamed "Squeaky" because of the spasms he'd suffer during the night causing the bedsprings to squeak.
Fun fact: last weekend in Prague Craig and Chris actually said they believe that there is universe, where are Lister and Rimmer married and argue about loading dishes in to dishwasher 😅 you have no idea how Tumblr exploded after this info!
Great episode ladies. You make me love red dwarf more. One piece of advice. next episode ' Blue' you better have sick bags on standby oh and tune up your singing voices. Looking forwards to the next one
I'm glad the new Kochanski is growing on you I always liked her as a new member to the show I've actually jump ahead of you in my rewatching of the show so it super fresh for me to enjoy your commentary. 🤘
I loved this episode as a kid because exploring the secret vents and having a water ride at the end seemed so cool. It reminded me of going to those fun-houses with ball pits and soft climbing structures like Play Towers etc.
I had to burst out laughing the other day when someone posted a vid of their water pipes making Nureek noises. Almost identical. I'm surprised pipes can actually make that sound. They sounded almost as neurotic as Kryten!
Great reactions kat and paula glad ur loving series 7 its different i love all 13 seasons ur both gunna love the next episode as its a classic take care both of you stay safe keep getting dwarfed ❤❤❤❤
This episode is very fun imo, the interaction between Lister and Kris is quite sweet and Kryten is just absolutely great this whole season. I really liked the physical humour of them being tossed around the vents. I can't wait for the episode of all time next week. I rewatched s7 recently and THE song has been stuck in my head. I do think it's interesting the conversation in the ducts happened before the next episode. Veeery interesting.
You missed a live stream a few days ago with Robert Llewellyn (Kryten) He was answering questions about RD and there were only 45 of us in the chat. It's on his Bobbyllew channel if you wanna catch the replay.
@@lisainthestudio Yeah it was a good stream. I didn't spot the name change. He must've done that after the stream as it came up Bobbyllew on my notification.
@@El_Smeghead yeah he changed it after the first stream but before the second stream, he also changed the channel description. Looks like he plans on using it for more live streams :) I feel honoured that we got to be there for the first one
If they were going to bring back a previous character then it should have been Mr Flibbles. In fact, legend has it that to this very day Mr Flibbles is very cross that it wasn't him
Just a kinda random comment. As a Czech, I watched Red Dwarf exclusively with a Czech dubbing when I was a kid (and a completely unrelated fact = Chris Barrie and Craig Charles recently visited Prague for our ComicCon 2024, hurray!). Anyway, I enjoy both the original and CZ voice acting. But in the case of Kochanski, I think that the CZ dubbing was the reason why her character grew on me almost instantly. I am not saying that Cloe is doing something wrong. But in comparison, her CZ voice really gave her a somewhat unique and more likable/charismatic feel. It's hard to describe. But now, when I rewatch the whole series with you, she feels a little bland in comparison.
If I’m not mistaken it could be maybe thanks to the fact that it was same voice actress as in season one. I haven’t seen RD in Czech for a while so I could be wrong.
This episode is the closest we get to a "filler" episode this season. Eight episodes were stretching the budget, so Duct Soup was a late, cheaper replacement for the episode that was originally planned, Identity Within. Plot elements from Identity Within (which focuses mainly on Cat) were later used for an episode in a later season, Can of Worms.
I never really thought about the stereotypes you talked about in the post-watch. I'd always interpreted Kochanski's weirdness in this episode as being more a result of being trapped on/with a bonkers mirror version of her own ship and crew. Less "crazy because female hysteria" and more "crazy because more alone than any human has ever been" if that makes any sense. (I am typing this while slightly uh "elevated" so I may be rambling.) But now that you bring it up I'm certainly thinking about it more.
I was going to mention in the last episode something I didn't realise until recently rewatching the series (the last time I watched series VII was probably when it originally aired), the retconning of Kochanski and other stuff can be explained by what Lister was explaining in the first episode, that elements of two timelines were incorporated into one as the timeline tried to correct itself. It's led me to making more allowances for changes in my own re-watching (BBC iPlayer has all the episodes up for the next month or so for anyone in the UK!), and I'm enjoying it more this time around... I'm still not a fan of the changes in Kryten's personality though, it's still a little cringey for me 😆
Girls. When you get to season 8 please watch the first episode as 1 whole episode. They split it into 2-3 episodes I think. Would love to see a reaction to the whole thing in one go. Keep up the great videos
Series VII and VIII had 8 episodes instead of 6 so that it could reach 52 episodes, which is the minimum amount of episodes a show needs to have syndication in the US.
I'll be first to stand up and say I'm a guy who hates showers, and loves baths. Especially with a good bath bomb or bubble bath, and audio book, a cold drink and a bar of dark chocolate
Clare Grogan her personality was obviously sooo closer to the personality to b such loving fun soul Lister would fall in love with rather than new totaly different personality
@@dlewis1701 1997 - I acquired my first computer capable of capturing "full screen" video! (Mac Quadra 840av, for the geeks). There were 2 pieces of BBC content that I immediate decided HAD to be captured to my computer. The ending of Logopolis, and - that thing stuck in your head. :) Such crappy quality compared to what computers can do these days... but I still have those original files.
I think you’ll definitely get the general fan feeling that this is the season that the show fell off it bit. It’s still good, but I think the Grant Naylor breakup and the loss of Chris Barrie took getting used to. That said, I think the next season picks back up by (yet again) altering the premise for a fun change up
I think you hit the nail on the head as to why we didn’t like it. Back then I also felt it became less funny. It’s missing a certain familiar warmth right? Loved Everything Everywhere All At Once
this is a pretty unpopular opinion in RD fandom, but I like jealous Kryten. I feel like he should be more shamed that the gold Kryten from her universe wasn't jealous, though.
Well, it's not "Sub Rosa" bad; but maybe it should have been. Maybe what this needs is Kochanski falling for a sexy electricity ghost. But the ghost plays coy for most of the episode so she can go "whooo arrre yooouu!?". Everyone would have loved that, right? Right?
This was a 'filler' episode. The production had no money left so they had to make this. And its the perfect example of a 'bottle episode' that works well
If i remember correctly, the longer seasons for series 7 and 8, the BBC told Doug Naylor, if he managed to get another 16 episodes out, they would be able to get the funds for a Red Dwarf movie. Which was the real selling point for Doug to continue on his own for series 7 and 8. Unfortunately, the movie never surfaced due to budget reasons. Though series "9" and the most recent iteration, are kind of movies themselves. Favourite line from this episode "She said she was trying to get an all over tan from the light bulb" 😂
I think this episode is more interesting than funny, as they try to work out the new cast dynamics. I do like Kochansky, but if they had a female standup/comedic actress, like the original Kochansky or a Jane Horrocks, it would POP!! Aside from the show, Kat's eye makeup reminds me of something Egyptian, with the lines, and I wonder if that arrow pendant is in honor of the latest BSG reaction? EEAO is one of the best films in this century!!
Gallifrey Gals watch duct soup. Another great episode it was probably one of the cheaper episodes of season 7 to make. But I still think it's a good episode. But it could be leading up to the next weeks episode which is 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍.
It's more that Kochanski was from a rich family, ivy league and a career officer line than just cliche "woman stuff". It's why she's not as much of a complete ass like Rimmer. And unlike Rimmer, she's actually competent in her role as a navigations officer and not an utterly self-absorbed cowardly bastard like Rimmer is/was. Also keep in mind in her universe Lister also applied himself (much like he did in Ace's original timeline). In this episode she's still in the "culture shock" phase of adapting to being stuck with The Boys from the Dwarf. Obviously, the writers are going to up-play some of the cliche "woman stuff". But the hilarity of that mostly comes from how many literal years The Boys have been without any actual female interactions.
Apparently Craig's been blabbing at conventions and Robert on his live stream has been trying to keep the NDA going by hedging his bets with "Has he? He would be the one. It is possibly, maybe happening."
I agree with you, Kat, about the laugh track. And I have an interesting fact about such things... I'm sure you know that a lot of shows, including Red Dwarf I-VI, where possible, were filmed in front of a live audience, and in those cases, the laughter is recorded directly from that. And you also know that in cases in which there was not an audience, like this series of Red Dwarf, the laughter was recorded from an audience being shown the episode, and it's therefore still "genuine". Most people are ok with that kind of laughter because it feels like watching the show as part of an audience and doesn't have that presumptuous, fake, tacked on feel to it. Here's the interesting trivia though; Quite a few British shows of the era did use "canned" laughter, and that laughter, a lot of the time, was taken from studio recordings of "A bit of Fry and Laurie", (a sketch show written and performed by Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie. Yes, "House"). Legend has it that the audiences laughed so much and were recorded so well that the tapes became the go to for BBC canned laughter. Ironically, on the DVDs of that show, though they do use the audience's laughter track, it is mixed so clumsily that many mistakenly believe it to be canned.
Have you gals watched the movie: FAQ about time travel? Its a British comedy about time travel with geeks in it.. its a pretty good, fun sci fi movie... worth a watch. Shame they never did a sequel... (as far as I know)
Ive been watching your channel for months. Well the Red Dwarf vids. Its so cool seeing how you guys react to it. Red Dwarf is so close to my heart. It makes me laugh so much.
Ever since this episode came out way back when, I have found myself using the words, "rootut", "screwlukal", and "hinunga", when other words fail me. Screwlukal is particularly effective when something has gone wrong, as an alternative to simply saying the situation has been screwed up. :D
This is generally considered one of the worst episodes (of 7 at least) but I really like the character work and it has some good laughs. I don’t mind it!
Yeah, the sheer volume of changes is probably why it didn't go down well. "They added a girl, show's over" likely was the view of some, but the changes were far wider. Kryten became irritating and whiny, new Kochanski was stuck up and above the rest, Rimmer was demoted to flashback clips, the background music completely changed styles and the lone writer relied on a lot more jokes that are repetition based.
This episode was used to replace a planned Cat-centred one when they ran out of money and had to make a bottle show. It gets a lot of hate but I personally think it's fine, other than some of the gender based humour being a tad stereotypical as you say.
I think Kochanski's new personality is less about making her stereotypically female, and more about making her the anti-Lister. Making her as opposite to Lister as possible to create more conflict. But I could be wrong. And it would be interesting to know how the old Kochanski would have dealt with these situations. That said, I've never had a problem with this version of Kochanski, I Love Chloe Annett's version!
I'm glad I can talk about this now. I'm all for bringing back Kochanski, if Clare Grogan was available and interested. Failing that, someone that looks a little like her, or at the very least, at the very, very, very smegging least, has a Glaswegian accent. You know what? Any kind of Scottish accent, might do at a push. I might have been won round. I was with Kryten after all. But Chloë Annett is NOTHING like Kochanski. She doesn't even try the accent, despite, in this episode for example, restating she is from the Gorbals (in Glasgow). It's one of the things for me that makes this era of Red Dwarf a little harder to fully accept.
I've always thought Claire was more Listers type of gal Chloe was fine though , and better suited to her role in this series . Kat & Paula seemed to enjoy this one , it's a big change to the show and Kryten being jealous was a bit annoying . There are better episodes ahead .
I know this is going to be very unpopular but I prefer Chloe Annett to Clare Grogan. Clare Grogan is good (she is fantastic as a Sinead O'Connor parody in 'Father Ted') but I don't think her version of Kochanski really works as a regular character given she's essentially a less slobby more competent female Lister. Chloe Annett has some dated stereotypes written to her character but as an out of place neurotic she's a better fit for the dysfunctional crew we have and to be honest I just like her more as an actress.
Duct Soup was S7s version of Marooned. With Kryten going all codependent (as you say) it lacks the genuine feel of Marooned. I do think the story itself was important to do as an exploration of Kochanski's character dynamic, but it is this change to Kryten that many feel was a big part of the downfall of RD. Until the next evolution of the interpersonal relationships, this will get a bit annoying. But it also brings on some excellent bits as well. I just think they wanted to fast forward Crissy's integration and it is her conflict with Kryten that acts as a replacement for the old Lister/Rimmer dynamic. Maybe could have been done better, but after Barrie pulled out, they had to slap together whatever they could. IMHO, Duct Soup is one of the worst episodes of RD... which means it's only better than 90% of all other shows ever.
Don't forget to watch the film 'Razor ' Battlestar Galactica straight after season 3(dvd extended version)best to watch right before start of season 4, cause there are spoilers 🎉🎉🎉❤❤
First time I watched this episode, I hated it. To be honest, I hated most of Series 7. Watching it a second time round and knowing what's going to happen and the context of the series, I really enjoyed it. It's interesting that people are enjoying this the first time round. Guess they're just more advanced than me 🤪
Perhaps the criticism of this series is like that doled out to rock groups that enter middle age and suddenly they have to 'grow up'. Which doesn't tend to last anyway. Nobody really wants Lister to be successful in this relationship, because it'll break up the band.
If you notice they mention in the dialogue that the Gorbals has been gentrified and that this Kochanski lived there and went to a posh virtual boarding school- thus making this very posh version of the character come from a traditionally working-class area of Glasgow to tie in with the original Kochanski's accent.
The really bizarre thing if you actually live in Glasgow is that this joke has now basically happened in real life. I wouldn't say it's a 'posh' area now, but in the ten years after this episode was written they demolished all the rough old crumbling flats, and replaced them with a really nice modern neighbourhood. It's definitely well on the way to what Kochanski is describing!
After Rimmer leaves his smegheadedness got pushed into Kryten
Duct soup is also a reference to the Marx brothers film, duck soup
If you get a chance the Red Dwarf books (1 - Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers and 2 - Better than Life) fill in a lot of back story and, of course, flesh out the characters more. The Kochanski character is an educated officer from a well off family. She went to the best schools (and had a pony). This version of Kochanski fits that well. The original Kochanski was more a an enlisted less educated type (before anyone hates me for this, I was enlisted in the US Air Force and had a BD in Computer Science). Basically Kochanski was, on paper, out of Dave's league, so when their brief relationship ended, Dave was broken up about is and determined to find a a way to end his tour on Red Dwarf as quickly as possible, which is how he ended up in stasis (by his own design). The 3 million year detour was a surprise.
Kryten and Kaskinski dynamic in the show are the best.
I thought I was the only one
2:10 I love Paula's "Fake Kochanski" when Chloe Annett in that single episode was onscreen more than Clare Grogan was in her entirety :D
Her belting Kryten with the wrench while making the pipe noises was one of the best lines in this week.
I think the Kryten jealousy thing was played up way too much.
@@Jon_FM..I would be alright with it if it ended after Series 7 Episode 6.
Whilst not explicitly mentioning Claustrophobia, Lister DID want out of his spacesuit alongside Confidence.
I'd always looked at Lister's sudden claustrophobia as a case of retconning simply to generate a "moment" for Lister and Kochanski... but then, we all had our own idiosyncrasies that don't necessarily stand up to reason...
He did say, "Gets a little bit hot, you could get claustrophobic in these suits."
that was more of the case he found out that Confidence was a nutter, as a metaphor of being overconfident leading to danger.
Listers claustrophobia was hinted at previously in Stasis Leak after the lift ride down to floor 16
And in Confidence and Paranoia.
"I get a bit claustrophobic in these suits."
DID YOU KNOW THERE'S GOING TO BE ANOTHER RED DWARF SERIES - AFTER ALL THESE YEARS!!! YESSSSSSSSSSS!
Did you see Robert Llewellyn's live stream? His channel has been dormant for years, he randomly started streaming a few nights ago. I was in the chat and asked if there would be more Red Dwarf, he pretty much confirmed it. I recommend subscribing to his channel, he answers fans in the chat
@@lisainthestudio Oh, I saw a news article about it - it had photos too. Obviously the actors have aged since the last series, so there's definitely something to it. They were in full make-up and costume too :)
Ah... we had a new "series" just like... last.. ah... well... it wasn't a series... but... it wasn't that long ago, was it? I don't know, I gave up. :(
@@The-Cosmic-Hobo 2020, so 4 years ago.
@@GedUK we've waited 4 years before!! Fingers crossed!
Another S7 episode I enjoyed far more as an adult than I did when it broadcast and I was 15. Chlöe gets to be funny and warm in it and the chance to “do a Marooned” after so many years was good. Not an amazing episode but a pretty good one. The next few episodes (5,6,7) are all tops.
Fan theory I heard: The reason Kochanski is different is that when the dwarfers beat the inquisitor it re-set everything he did, this is the original Kochanski from before the inquisitor's messing around shenanigans
That fan theory doesn't really hold up, as we saw the original Kochanski in series 6.
@@Right_Said_Brett No we saw a psychic projection of the original Kochanski taken from Lister's mind. Lister having been part of the reason that the inquisitor's demise may have been shielded from some of the temporal effect and thus retain some of the memories.
Space Corp Directive 1963 Always have snacks at the ready when watching the Gallifrey Gals.
This Kochanski is posh and prissy, whereas the original was more grungy.
New Kochanski: English
Original: Scottish.
Yeah, checks out!
It took four fire hoses to unleash that torrent of water on the cast, according to Craig Charles.
Also, in the extended version, Lister tells the story of a kid at the orphanage he nicknamed "Squeaky" because of the spasms he'd suffer during the night causing the bedsprings to squeak.
One more week till the episode that caused SO many fanfics
Da ba dee, da ba die
@@TroyConvers5000 oh Rimsy
@@adammeredith9393 Google is translating that to “I would have not died, I would have not died”. 🤔
The birth of rimster ❤❤
Fun fact: last weekend in Prague Craig and Chris actually said they believe that there is universe, where are Lister and Rimmer married and argue about loading dishes in to dishwasher 😅 you have no idea how Tumblr exploded after this info!
Great episode ladies. You make me love red dwarf more. One piece of advice. next episode ' Blue' you better have sick bags on standby oh and tune up your singing voices. Looking forwards to the next one
I'm glad the new Kochanski is growing on you I always liked her as a new member to the show I've actually jump ahead of you in my rewatching of the show so it super fresh for me to enjoy your commentary. 🤘
Talking of bottle episodes, this is it for this series.
I loved this episode as a kid because exploring the secret vents and having a water ride at the end seemed so cool. It reminded me of going to those fun-houses with ball pits and soft climbing structures like Play Towers etc.
Same :D I really remember this episode from the past
Scottish is the word you're looking for Kat, the original Christine was Scottish ;) (Claire Grogan)
I can’t wait for a next weeks show 😅
Certain scene 😂
Oh yes me too😂
Another quality cat aged cheese and felineapples video!
In theory I should have referenced "duct soup." Well, theory is good in theory, but this is what I like to laughingly call reality.
I had to burst out laughing the other day when someone posted a vid of their water pipes making Nureek noises. Almost identical. I'm surprised pipes can actually make that sound. They sounded almost as neurotic as Kryten!
Michelle Yeoh DID win the best actress Oscar for Everything Everywhere All At Once
Yeah, well deserved too! And I'm really glad Ke Huy Quan won best supporting actor! It's great to see him acting again.
I always liked this episode.
This is, I believe my most favorite episode of season 7
Great reactions kat and paula glad ur loving series 7 its different i love all 13 seasons ur both gunna love the next episode as its a classic take care both of you stay safe keep getting dwarfed ❤❤❤❤
One more week till 'Blue' with the song you hear once and never forget!
@@stuartanderws5705 LOL
My wife on occasion brings out the Hrrtoot, Hnunga line. 25 years after I showed it to her.
as a warning you're about to get clobbered? unironically a great partner
This episode is very fun imo, the interaction between Lister and Kris is quite sweet and Kryten is just absolutely great this whole season. I really liked the physical humour of them being tossed around the vents.
I can't wait for the episode of all time next week. I rewatched s7 recently and THE song has been stuck in my head. I do think it's interesting the conversation in the ducts happened before the next episode. Veeery interesting.
I recommend checking out the extended cut of this one anyway; I think, ironically, it benefits this episode much more than last week's.
Yeah, the added moment’s benefit the character interactions.
Cottage cheese was big in the 80s and 90s. Along with avocados and baked potatos. The fitness food of choice lol.
I like it in small amounts.
I still eat cottage cheese! Never stopped and baked potatoes!!
This Kochanski is a really great addition to the Dwarfers. Lots more good episodes to come. Hang ten and enjoy.. lol.
There is an extended version of this episode
You missed a live stream a few days ago with Robert Llewellyn (Kryten) He was answering questions about RD and there were only 45 of us in the chat.
It's on his Bobbyllew channel if you wanna catch the replay.
You were in the chat too? It was so much fun! He changed the channel name to Robert Llewellyn, his handle is @bobbyllewellyn now
@@lisainthestudio Yeah it was a good stream. I didn't spot the name change. He must've done that after the stream as it came up Bobbyllew on my notification.
@@El_Smeghead yeah he changed it after the first stream but before the second stream, he also changed the channel description. Looks like he plans on using it for more live streams :) I feel honoured that we got to be there for the first one
Another quality cat video!
The episode name is a play on words from the title of the Marx Brothers excellent pre-war film! Duck Soup!
If they were going to bring back a previous character then it should have been Mr Flibbles. In fact, legend has it that to this very day Mr Flibbles is very cross that it wasn't him
Good video ladies. Sick bags on standby for Blue. Wishing it was next week to see your reactions
Just a kinda random comment. As a Czech, I watched Red Dwarf exclusively with a Czech dubbing when I was a kid (and a completely unrelated fact = Chris Barrie and Craig Charles recently visited Prague for our ComicCon 2024, hurray!). Anyway, I enjoy both the original and CZ voice acting. But in the case of Kochanski, I think that the CZ dubbing was the reason why her character grew on me almost instantly. I am not saying that Cloe is doing something wrong. But in comparison, her CZ voice really gave her a somewhat unique and more likable/charismatic feel. It's hard to describe. But now, when I rewatch the whole series with you, she feels a little bland in comparison.
If I’m not mistaken it could be maybe thanks to the fact that it was same voice actress as in season one. I haven’t seen RD in Czech for a while so I could be wrong.
This episode is the closest we get to a "filler" episode this season. Eight episodes were stretching the budget, so Duct Soup was a late, cheaper replacement for the episode that was originally planned, Identity Within. Plot elements from Identity Within (which focuses mainly on Cat) were later used for an episode in a later season, Can of Worms.
"Taste the salty goodness" 😂
great reaction im glad you both are still enjoying can not wait for more reaction :)
"Women be shopping", the height of comedy in 1997. Oh well.
I never really thought about the stereotypes you talked about in the post-watch. I'd always interpreted Kochanski's weirdness in this episode as being more a result of being trapped on/with a bonkers mirror version of her own ship and crew. Less "crazy because female hysteria" and more "crazy because more alone than any human has ever been" if that makes any sense. (I am typing this while slightly uh "elevated" so I may be rambling.) But now that you bring it up I'm certainly thinking about it more.
I was going to mention in the last episode something I didn't realise until recently rewatching the series (the last time I watched series VII was probably when it originally aired), the retconning of Kochanski and other stuff can be explained by what Lister was explaining in the first episode, that elements of two timelines were incorporated into one as the timeline tried to correct itself. It's led me to making more allowances for changes in my own re-watching (BBC iPlayer has all the episodes up for the next month or so for anyone in the UK!), and I'm enjoying it more this time around... I'm still not a fan of the changes in Kryten's personality though, it's still a little cringey for me 😆
13:40 Bless you!
Girls. When you get to season 8 please watch the first episode as 1 whole episode. They split it into 2-3 episodes I think. Would love to see a reaction to the whole thing in one go. Keep up the great videos
"Fake Kochanski" when Fauxchanski was right there.
Beat me to it! 🤣
new series just announced after 5 years
Series VII and VIII had 8 episodes instead of 6 so that it could reach 52 episodes, which is the minimum amount of episodes a show needs to have syndication in the US.
I'll be first to stand up and say I'm a guy who hates showers, and loves baths. Especially with a good bath bomb or bubble bath, and audio book, a cold drink and a bar of dark chocolate
Thank you, With a capital R!
Clare Grogan her personality was obviously sooo closer to the personality to b such loving fun soul Lister would fall in love with rather than new totaly different personality
Yes, you are definitely now gals from the dwarf.
I feel kochanski is better in next season as she fits in more than she does now
You are not ready for The Rimmer Experience in Blue
@@dlewis1701 HEEEEEEEEEEEE'S
@@dlewis1701 1997 - I acquired my first computer capable of capturing "full screen" video! (Mac Quadra 840av, for the geeks). There were 2 pieces of BBC content that I immediate decided HAD to be captured to my computer. The ending of Logopolis, and - that thing stuck in your head. :) Such crappy quality compared to what computers can do these days... but I still have those original files.
I think you’ll definitely get the general fan feeling that this is the season that the show fell off it bit. It’s still good, but I think the Grant Naylor breakup and the loss of Chris Barrie took getting used to. That said, I think the next season picks back up by (yet again) altering the premise for a fun change up
Any chance of doing 'Identity Within'? Best episode from series 7 even though it wasn't in series 7.
Is that Mr Flibbles in the background of your room??
I think you hit the nail on the head as to why we didn’t like it. Back then I also felt it became less funny. It’s missing a certain familiar warmth right? Loved Everything Everywhere All At Once
This was actually the last episode filmed as another script droppe.
Bobby Llewelyn brought a camcorder in BTS.
this is a pretty unpopular opinion in RD fandom, but I like jealous Kryten. I feel like he should be more shamed that the gold Kryten from her universe wasn't jealous, though.
Well, it's not "Sub Rosa" bad; but maybe it should have been.
Maybe what this needs is Kochanski falling for a sexy electricity ghost.
But the ghost plays coy for most of the episode so she can go "whooo arrre yooouu!?".
Everyone would have loved that, right?
Right?
Believe or not the guys that wrote the story actually wrote the original books, they're a great read, they have their own versions of ourobous
This was a 'filler' episode. The production had no money left so they had to make this. And its the perfect example of a 'bottle episode' that works well
I believe it was supposed to be a Cat centric episode, something we never really ever got in the original run, which is odd when you think about it.
@@adamcashin4021 Yes - one of the S7 DVD extras is a storyboard / animation version of the Cat episode voiced by Chris Barrie
If i remember correctly, the longer seasons for series 7 and 8, the BBC told Doug Naylor, if he managed to get another 16 episodes out, they would be able to get the funds for a Red Dwarf movie. Which was the real selling point for Doug to continue on his own for series 7 and 8. Unfortunately, the movie never surfaced due to budget reasons. Though series "9" and the most recent iteration, are kind of movies themselves.
Favourite line from this episode "She said she was trying to get an all over tan from the light bulb" 😂
Classic Lister storytelling that. Reminds me of the one about losing his virginity. Or the AI shoes.
@@PreceptorGrant Both of those are classic scenes!
I think this episode is more interesting than funny, as they try to work out the new cast dynamics. I do like Kochansky, but if they had a female standup/comedic actress, like the original Kochansky or a Jane Horrocks, it would POP!!
Aside from the show, Kat's eye makeup reminds me of something Egyptian, with the lines, and I wonder if that arrow pendant is in honor of the latest BSG reaction? EEAO is one of the best films in this century!!
the next episodes are a couple of my favourites and alot of it is down to Kryten being Kryten
Gallifrey Gals watch duct soup. Another great episode it was probably one of the cheaper episodes of season 7 to make. But I still think it's a good episode. But it could be leading up to the next weeks episode which is 👍👍👍👍👍👍👍.
The rusty gate.
algo galgo galssssss!!!!
Totally agree with you that Stephanie Hsu should have won. (Michelle Yeoh and Ke Huy Quan were wonderful too)
It's more that Kochanski was from a rich family, ivy league and a career officer line than just cliche "woman stuff". It's why she's not as much of a complete ass like Rimmer.
And unlike Rimmer, she's actually competent in her role as a navigations officer and not an utterly self-absorbed cowardly bastard like Rimmer is/was.
Also keep in mind in her universe Lister also applied himself (much like he did in Ace's original timeline). In this episode she's still in the "culture shock" phase of adapting to being stuck with The Boys from the Dwarf.
Obviously, the writers are going to up-play some of the cliche "woman stuff". But the hilarity of that mostly comes from how many literal years The Boys have been without any actual female interactions.
Gals from the Dwarf 😂😂😂
They’ve just announced that there could be a new season on the cards! That’ll have been another five year gap since the last one! 😅
The last one was great
Apparently Craig's been blabbing at conventions and Robert on his live stream has been trying to keep the NDA going by hedging his bets with "Has he? He would be the one. It is possibly, maybe happening."
Can you tell me where the announcement has been made as I haven't been able to find anything new?
@@BD-sb7hb No official announcement. Just castmembers either trying to tip-toe around it, or just full on saying it at conventions apparently.
New special, not a full season (which I think is the right way to go tbh)
I agree with you, Kat, about the laugh track. And I have an interesting fact about such things...
I'm sure you know that a lot of shows, including Red Dwarf I-VI, where possible, were filmed in front of a live audience, and in those cases, the laughter is recorded directly from that.
And you also know that in cases in which there was not an audience, like this series of Red Dwarf, the laughter was recorded from an audience being shown the episode, and it's therefore still "genuine".
Most people are ok with that kind of laughter because it feels like watching the show as part of an audience and doesn't have that presumptuous, fake, tacked on feel to it.
Here's the interesting trivia though; Quite a few British shows of the era did use "canned" laughter, and that laughter, a lot of the time, was taken from studio recordings of "A bit of Fry and Laurie", (a sketch show written and performed by Stephen Fry and Hugh Laurie. Yes, "House").
Legend has it that the audiences laughed so much and were recorded so well that the tapes became the go to for BBC canned laughter.
Ironically, on the DVDs of that show, though they do use the audience's laughter track, it is mixed so clumsily that many mistakenly believe it to be canned.
Have you gals watched the movie: FAQ about time travel?
Its a British comedy about time travel with geeks in it.. its a pretty good, fun sci fi movie... worth a watch.
Shame they never did a sequel... (as far as I know)
This seemed funnier watching it with you guys. As you say, though, it's very much "female tropes" for Kochanski.
Ive been watching your channel for months. Well the Red Dwarf vids. Its so cool seeing how you guys react to it. Red Dwarf is so close to my heart. It makes me laugh so much.
Ever since this episode came out way back when, I have found myself using the words, "rootut", "screwlukal", and "hinunga", when other words fail me. Screwlukal is particularly effective when something has gone wrong, as an alternative to simply saying the situation has been screwed up. :D
This is generally considered one of the worst episodes (of 7 at least) but I really like the character work and it has some good laughs. I don’t mind it!
Yeah, the sheer volume of changes is probably why it didn't go down well. "They added a girl, show's over" likely was the view of some, but the changes were far wider. Kryten became irritating and whiny, new Kochanski was stuck up and above the rest, Rimmer was demoted to flashback clips, the background music completely changed styles and the lone writer relied on a lot more jokes that are repetition based.
Great one smegheads 😂😹👍🏻👍🏻
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This episode was used to replace a planned Cat-centred one when they ran out of money and had to make a bottle show. It gets a lot of hate but I personally think it's fine, other than some of the gender based humour being a tad stereotypical as you say.
Kryton's up to some mischief
I have to stop commenting now. I have nothing left to say about the series that isn’t a spoiler. I’m still watching though.
Who knew cottage cheese and pineapples could cause such chaos in space? 🍍✨
I think Kochanski's new personality is less about making her stereotypically female, and more about making her the anti-Lister. Making her as opposite to Lister as possible to create more conflict. But I could be wrong. And it would be interesting to know how the old Kochanski would have dealt with these situations.
That said, I've never had a problem with this version of Kochanski, I Love Chloe Annett's version!
I'm glad I can talk about this now. I'm all for bringing back Kochanski, if Clare Grogan was available and interested. Failing that, someone that looks a little like her, or at the very least, at the very, very, very smegging least, has a Glaswegian accent. You know what? Any kind of Scottish accent, might do at a push. I might have been won round. I was with Kryten after all.
But Chloë Annett is NOTHING like Kochanski. She doesn't even try the accent, despite, in this episode for example, restating she is from the Gorbals (in Glasgow).
It's one of the things for me that makes this era of Red Dwarf a little harder to fully accept.
It may be messed up but I always find what Cat did was way better than Kris's he got Lister to talk about it.
Yeah she’ll grow on you and well yeah more to come,….ive said to much shhhhhhh…….
I've always thought Claire was more Listers type of gal Chloe was fine though , and better suited to her role in this series . Kat & Paula seemed to enjoy this one , it's a big change to the show and Kryten being jealous was a bit annoying . There are better episodes ahead .
I know this is going to be very unpopular but I prefer Chloe Annett to Clare Grogan. Clare Grogan is good (she is fantastic as a Sinead O'Connor parody in 'Father Ted') but I don't think her version of Kochanski really works as a regular character given she's essentially a less slobby more competent female Lister. Chloe Annett has some dated stereotypes written to her character but as an out of place neurotic she's a better fit for the dysfunctional crew we have and to be honest I just like her more as an actress.
Duct Soup was S7s version of Marooned. With Kryten going all codependent (as you say) it lacks the genuine feel of Marooned.
I do think the story itself was important to do as an exploration of Kochanski's character dynamic, but it is this change to Kryten that many feel was a big part of the downfall of RD.
Until the next evolution of the interpersonal relationships, this will get a bit annoying. But it also brings on some excellent bits as well.
I just think they wanted to fast forward Crissy's integration and it is her conflict with Kryten that acts as a replacement for the old Lister/Rimmer dynamic.
Maybe could have been done better, but after Barrie pulled out, they had to slap together whatever they could.
IMHO, Duct Soup is one of the worst episodes of RD... which means it's only better than 90% of all other shows ever.
Don't forget to watch the film 'Razor ' Battlestar Galactica straight after season 3(dvd extended version)best to watch right before start of season 4, cause there are spoilers 🎉🎉🎉❤❤
First time I watched this episode, I hated it. To be honest, I hated most of Series 7. Watching it a second time round and knowing what's going to happen and the context of the series, I really enjoyed it.
It's interesting that people are enjoying this the first time round. Guess they're just more advanced than me 🤪
Perhaps the criticism of this series is like that doled out to rock groups that enter middle age and suddenly they have to 'grow up'. Which doesn't tend to last anyway. Nobody really wants Lister to be successful in this relationship, because it'll break up the band.
It was an odd casting choice at best. Still good stuff to come but often with a bit of fear too.