How Randomization Works in Super Mario Maker 2 !
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ย. 2024
- With the release of Super Mario Maker 2, Nintendo changed the way randomization works in Super Mario Maker. Nothing is random anymore! Clown car randomizers always travel into the same direction, dropping coins always drop onto the same spot, and even the silly hammer bros appear to suddenly behave completely deterministic. Or .. so it seems. But hidden in the middle of the newly discovered desert, a very interesting tower was found. The very varying tower. A tower that changes it’s layout every time it gets played. Apparently there is still a way to randomize in Super Mario Maker 2 ! So today we are first going to take a look at this randomizing tower, and afterwards we are going to discuss how randomization in Super Mario Maker 2 works.
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Super Mario Maker 2 Level shown in the video:
“The Very Varying Tower”
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He did it! *Oh that's not Mario, that's Luigi, makes sense because... Mario died*
HE DID IT
Carlos Plata So how do you change who you’re playing as in single player?
@@rho-starmkl4483 in story you can only be mario, otherwise it's in settings
@@inky2412 You also can't control who you play as in multiplayer
I saw that comment in the previous video
Hahaha if you were the same guy who commented last video about this, I know 100% what youre talking about 😂 I was super happy and hoped he saw your comment too!!!
“It isn’t a loot box, it’s a surprise mechanic.”
Bowser: “It isn’t kidnaping, it’s a surprise escort.”
Succ sum dix
True
It isn't stalking it's surprise supervising.
Mario :” it isn’t murder it’s surprise abortion”
marriage*
Mario: Hey Bowser stop kidnapping princess Peach!
Bowser: It's not kidnapping , just a surprise girlfriend relocation program
lmao
This one was good
pefect
It's beyond perfect.
Holy fuzzy so many likes, thanks!
"It's not theft, it's surprise permanent borrowing."
😂😂😂😂😂
“This is no lootbox, this is... a surprise mechanic” ceave you are the greatest
*EA wants to know your location*
I literally laughed at this joke for 3 minutes!
@@uncann130
I may sound stupid but what makes it so funny?
@@fildemen6626 That is what EA says
Saying a dated sentence makes you great? Yeah no
“They’re not loot boxes, they’re surprise mechanics”
Ah, I see you are a man of culture as well
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Ceave: It's a surprise mechanic!
Me: Wait...
C *EA* ve Gaming
OH N... pay 50$ to complete the sentence, thanks for picking Electronic Arts!
Orange Juice Oh no! Start running Mario. You’ll get cau. . .
Pay $50 to complete sentence.
Pay 50$ to like
U WILL NEVER GET ME EA, U WIL...
Pay $80 for exist
Illuminati confirmed!
the shells costs 3.99$ each and if you want them to be big or with wings you need to pay 0.99$ for each one
Nintendo: We’ve removed randomization.
Ceave: What did you say I was busy being random.
Hey I know you
Enters room as big Mario
Evil piranha plant trap activates
“Luckily he managed to dodge it”
*Leaves room as small Mario*
Maybe its randomized which mario he is
@@gabygacha6609 genius
*Super Mario
Edit: Big Mario is the Mario with the big mushroom power-up, it's not the same as Super Mario
"Totally different room, that's wierd..."
Not really, considering Luigi went into a different pipe
Yeah :D
Oof i noticed it 2
Yeah, I think he meant to say that on that attempt he had access to a different pipe than when he played as Mario.
yeah but a bullet bill drops down to allow him to go in one of the pipes which is randomised
It's not random, depending on how far in a screen you moved, certain elements trigger.
I have never in my life played either Mario Maker, I'm just captivated by Ceave's charming delivery and explanations
Your life is incomplete.
I was the same way, but then SMM2 came out and now I'm not anymore :)
The same plus english is not even my mother langauge XD
@@krankarvolund7771 same here
Me too, and i’m jealous of the stand at the shops.
Me: Can I have an answer to a question I never asked?
Ceave: *Well, it's surprisingly simple.*
Me: *_hooray_*
H O O R A Y
And I thought the perfect comment didn’t exist
HOORAY
hoo ray
Hoo ray
Ceave without glasses: reads "loot boxes"
Puts on glasses: "surprise mechanics"
Holy shit you're gonna get me 7 invisible internet points!
Nice
Nintendo: Well boys we did it Randomization is no more.
Everyone: HoW dO wE RAndoMize
Ceave Gaming *Well its actually surprisingly simple*
Nintendo = Astral World( Only those who watched Yu-Gi-Oh! Zexal will understand)
BEST COMMENT EVER!!!! no I'm actually being serious. Great comment 👍
Nintendo:You weren't supposed to do that
@@arachnaeprince55 Everyone: Because that's what heros do
it's actually surprisingly simple
Wow he did a meme.
It’s not a lootbox, it’s a surprise mechanic. Good on you ceave
It's not a meme it's the truth
Erase sssssuuuuurrrrreeeee....
@@achievedchair17 well technically in *this* game it absolutely is a surprise mechanic hahah. Because it's not something known to the average player. I mean, I know what you're saying, just wanted to point out he wasn't lying lol.
Seth Kauffman you’re forgetting that he was regarding the lootbo-surprise mechanics.
@@achievedchair17 yes, I know that. I absolutely know he was acknowledging the meme. If you'll go back and read MY comment you'll realize that I pretty much 100% agreed with such, BUT, I also said even though it is funny, It is the truth just the same, they are hidden surprise mechanics lmao. Jesus you're looking too deep bruh.
3:52 SPIKING spikes?! Excuse me!? I do believe that those are _ouching_ spikes.
I feel especially RNG seed today
*moves left*
“It’s not a loot box, it’s a surprise mechanic”
-Ceave
“It’s not a kidnapping, it’s a surprise adoption”
-Me
It's not WW3, it's surprise thermonuclear war.
Its not abuse, its discipline.
It's not an assassination, it's a surprise neck hug.
It's not death, it's just a irl game over.
nintendo : phew we finally get rid of all the glitches in this game!
ceave : ur pathetic systems cant stop me from recreating the world!
"Actually, it's surprisingly simple"
@@conjonsilver9424 very true XD
I wouldn't call RNG a glitch :P
@@IceMetalPunk At most, RNG Manipulation is a glitch, because the Game Developers never intended for you to manipulate it.
It’s not a glitch, it’s a “Suprise Mechanic”
Ceave: it’s not loot boxes, it’s a surprise mechanic.
Me: It’s not super expert hot garbage, it’s a level to test your adaption skills
It's not Super Mario Maker 2, it's Super Mario Maker *Deluxe*
Hamguy 16 *adaptation
That is every insane person who always picks super expert.
Hooray count: 3
Total so far: 271
The lack of a time-based RNG really screwed a bullet hell level I was making, but at least there's a workaround for other ones!
Is that the actual number?
The previous reply asked; Is that the actual number?
Because if so Holy Fuzzy!
H O O R A Y
wait, how did you even make time-based rng in smm1?
i could happily listen to this cat talk while anything was going on, even while being tied on a conveyor belt that was taking me into an erupting volcano. it would be fine as long as he narrated what was happening. "oh no. he is going to be burned alive, most likely. that is weird..."
“How is he going to get out? Well actually it’s surprisingly simple.” “Hoo-ray, he made it out alive.”
Vurvo57 more like ”aww he died” ”lets bring in toadet”
Cat?
“This is no lootbox, this is... a surprise mechanic.”
*EA would like to know your location.*
This video is honestly hilarious, this is absolutely great and i love it.
The ones i love are “Well Mario died” and “it’s not a lootbox, it’s a surprise mechanic”.
That one made me laugh so hard.
“That actually makes sense because, Mario died”
Ok there
Didn’t know that ceave would drop that on me at like 1 in the morning
lets just say he's in the hospital and his doctor clones are concerned
Redstone engineers: "i tip my hat to you, one legend to another"
Mario Maker Engineers
Me how is a redstone engineer and a SMM engineer
It's not stealing, it's suprize borrowing
Ceave: it's not loot boxes, it's a suprize mechanic
Edit: thx for 0 likes
Uhm.... The its not lootboxes is the original meme........ Its not just ceave who came up with lootboxes are suprise mecanics....... Now i have a Strange feeling of beeing r/whooshed...
I did not punch you in the face it's a surprise headache
@@kruemmelbande5078 I have a strange feeling of being the asshole that caused internet insecurity...
r/woshooo
It’s not invasion. It’s a surprise change of management.
Carl why are you surprise borrowing from ruins?
Wait, using that conveyor belt trick with the clown cars, you could potentially create an *extremely* finicky lock that activates entirely through player input! What I'm saying is, you can add the Konami Code to your levels
It would depend on exact millisecond timing. There are plenty of other ways to add such a code. Lots of enemies track where Mario is and move toward him.
@@Xezlec Yeah but can you make it so literally pressing up-up-down-down-left-right-left-right-b-a triggers something? Because this theoretically can, in a really janky way.
What conveyor belt trick?
The level is absolutely filled with comments saying they got softlocked simply because they failed tge power up bonus machines. FOLLOW THE ARROW, DAMMIT!
I think people jumped on top of the mushroom before triggering the POW block and got stuck between the POW block and the slope on the right.
People never look the arrows. That's make me angry 😠
OLD劉浩浚 Still makes you reset because you jumped to the right of a POW block
I did it on purpose cause I know I can just start over
I can make that "softlock" happen too, just get a lot of pow blocks and tracks, and 1 way "doors" and any block of your choice, and to get out of the softlock, just jump
"I mean, Mario died."
-Ceave Gaming 2019
“That’s no lootbox! That’s a surprise mechanic!” Ceave, 2019
It's not a loot box because it charges no extra money after game purchase. And can be done as many times as one desires to get the preferred outcome.
I love channels with subtitles already made
Keep up the good work, Ceave!
I love those too, mostly because my ears are bad at hearing
I jsut like them when i brush my theeth with an electric toothbrush lol
Dude for the last time you still owe me about 2 kilos of guacamole
Ceave: makes a quantum computer inside Mario maker
"iTs AcTuAlLy SuPrIsInGlY SiMpLe"
Hyped for a 3d world video. Its limitations makes me worried, but I know that if Ceave explores its limits, my worries will go away.
I'm waiting aswell! I bet there will be new mechanics to use on that.
*its
@@Hack3r91 yeah. I'm exited on clear pipes.
"Luigi hits the on/off block, just like his *older twin* "
Hol up
_Fragment Sadly, It’s correct
_Fragment He could be older by a few seconds.
“Lucky mario was able to dodge the piranha plants, that was close”
*pans up to see mario no longer with mushroom power up*
4:55 "Terrifying Playstation Button Missiles"
-Ceave 2019
I can't unsee it XD, they do look like PlayStation buttons.
It was confirmed that mario hits the block with his fist, luigi however...
"Randomisation in video games is a lie"
*all my life,leading up to this moment,has been worth it,every last second,I'm truly blessed*
*throws out every video game*
Ceave: It isn't a lootbox, it's a surprise mechanic.
Lakitu: It's not item spamming, it's building a level for you.
"It's not a lootbox, it's a... surprise mechanic"
That's why I love the internet
RNG manip could be used to make and upload a level that only people capable of performing said manip could win.
I wouldn't really consider it real RNG since real RNG includes factors outside of what you're currently doing like time.
I can totally see someone going "This seemingly impossible level is actually surprisingly simple, you just have to do frame perfect inputs for 500 seconds without even being able to notice if you failed at any point"
@@lial4357 What did you say about good RNG? You deleted the comment
@@ThighFish It's not deleted for me (lol) but anyway, while time is better it still isn't "real RNG" as it's very predictable, the closest thing we have to good RNG is stuff that has to do with ultra-precise hardware measurements e.g. of radio noise, CPU temperature changes, user input (but on a microsecond scale), microphone noise etc.
What about time on a level more precise than a person can comprehend?
Mario’s twin brother Luigi-
Wait...
De he just say twin?
Story mode Luigi: “hey big bro”
Agreed. Luigi is taller but younger
Mario is 2 seconds older
love the surprise mechanic quote from the lady at EA. great joke writing and great level creation :D
3:45
Ceave: "... that's no loot box uhm .., it's, it's... a surprise mechanic!"
Me: *ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAT???*
Loot Boxes need to be bought with real money from the real world in real life, while surprise mechanics are just mechanics of the game. That are randomized and do NOT need to be paid for.
Fianly, now I can punish people for moving in my ”Don’t move Level”
They need to experience all of those lovely 500 seconds now and there is nothing they can do about it >:)
Be sure to post the level code for us when you do!
I'd actually want to see that. I always see people who have a shorter time on auto levels and I'm just like "Can't you be a nice person and sit down for once?"
Who else just loves the “good-bye!!!” at the end? Great job, Ceave!
Marian Wong I like hoo ray more
$3.99 for the surprise mechanic DLC
Sorry you have to pay 6.99$ to post comments
The ‘Best’
$799.99 to reply
@@doctorjungle5751 no
1:10 actually no when he jumps he puts his fist out like a punch
please make a Video like "10 ideas with the ghosthouse/underwater night theme" i found out that wigglers have Flashlights!
I might make a level using that.
Here's a cool trick (people have probably found this out, but too bad) I plan on using for a level: in the Ghost House / Underwater Night Time themes, if you place an On / Off switch in the level and turn it to "Off", the lights around objects will dim. Mario's light radius is usually 7 blocks long by 7 blocks wide, but when in "Off" mode, it lowers to 4 blocks long by 4 blocks wide! Fortunately, everything that had a small light still has a light, but it's so small we can pretty much say it's best use is to show that the object of interest is there.
@@GardenVarietea Nice pfp
UPDATE: The Super Acorn from v3.0.0 jumps randomly in the ground night theme. You can place different things in note blocks and the jumping Super Acorn activates different note blocks every time.
No one: ...
Ceave: “The answer is actually surprisingly simple!”
2:56 “That’s not Mario anymore...?”
“To answer that, we need to talk about parallel universes.”
Marios! King Kooper has kidnapped the Peach and stole my eggs!
A quien esta diciendo shut up tu, a mi esta diciendo shut up?
Yahoo! Ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-ya-YAHOO!
Kinda sad how SMM 2 got rid of some things, like the usual randomization methods, and editing downloaded courses.
Randomization doesn't make a big difference to me, but editing downloaded courses does. Nintendo should be like Valve: be more open-source.
Probably that lucky draw level that got publicity. Nintemdo doesnt want the game to be known for being solely luck based.
Super Mario Maker 2 has blessed us with more Ceave uploads 😌
Does this mean u can make basicly impossible levels,
Of course it's not impossible but u could make it so u have to do perfect inputs.
OH NO IM GIVING THEM IDEAS
Ceave did mention that RNG manipulation is technically possilble because the seed always starts the same
@@Uforianer for EVERYTHING else to not work you would need more and more randomization. say there is 100 seeds (there is more) if we add 1 randomizer then 50 seeds go one way and 50 another. even if all inputs left right up down move jump spin whatever changed to a completly different seed than eachother (which might not be true say left and jump move the seed the same amount) you would need to randomize enough to ensure that all movements a player can do without dieing end up with their own unique seed. then design a level around that.
while not impossible per say their is a lot of limiting factors and if theirs any way to change your seed that cant be controlled a player may use the wrong inputs but end up on the correct seed to progress.
@@Zalied by the way, it's "per se" not "per say".
For your 'surprise mechanics' it would be very interesting to see if there are more seeds that send the coin to the right than the left or vice versa. And if there is a low amount of seeds (2 for example) then manipulation could create a seemingly impossible stage, where you have to try and get the right result repeatedly.
I hate Ceave he deserves less subs
Edit: It’s a joke calm down people Ceave is amazing and you should sub
Thank you Ceave, surprisingly cool)
My new favorite term! 😂
There is already a French TH-camr that uses it once. (He was making a video about Super Mario World)
His sentence was
"Une sorcière qui jette des boutons de manette PlayStation"
Croissant)
my only console is PlayStation4 owch
“Why are you taking the wheels off my car?!”
“I’m a surprise mechanic”
The best thing about MM2 are the videos Ceave makes for us! :)
4:33 ...which transports him to the next floor of the dangerous very, verying tower.
So theoretically I could make a level where only a series of perfect inputs works... even if they’re completely ambiguous... count me in!
Played this in course world and was so confused why the rooms kept changing.
Then I read your name at the top
"Ah yes. Of course"
(Btw you are literally the MumboJumbo of Mario Maker)
Very true
Nice, that means that I can make a slot machine in game. Take that Gamblers Anonymous!
But it wouldn't be random unless you use a few claws...
TheIncredibleMasterE Yeah, that’s part of the red lever.
@@temcabbage1713 I now have a huge urge to see the Celadon Game Corner from Pokemon recreated in SMM2
Daniel Payne Easy, just get a closed building.
@@danielpayne1597 Celadon Game Corner, as well as IRL casinos, are _extremely_ skewed in favor of the house. How do we rig an SMM randomizer in a similar fashion?
4:57 Ceave: Your Plumber of Choice Toad and Toadette: *Sad Mushroom Noises*
You should go back and see what contraptions you made in Mario Maker 1 work in Mario Maker 2, and if they don't work then update them to work in Mario Maker 2. Keep up the great work!
Now that's really neat! I was even able to build an (almost) impossible level with this mechanic: 8J1-B9G-2GF
Ceave just made a rogue like within Mario maker 2.
Also Lucky draw won't take two weeks in Mario maker 2, thank fuzzy.
I don't think you can even upload it anymore like this. If it requires actual input, the uploader can't just leave the system on for weeks for the game to keep trying.
@@19Szabolcs91 but if you put in the right input you basically win instantly
@@paytonioPepper But how will you, as the uploader know what the right input is?
@@19Szabolcs91 It's a bit of a guessing game.
I actually created a Lucky Draw type level: BCG-F0K-0VG
Interesting, day one of mariomaker 2 I was messing around with tech from Mariomaker one and was very interested in the randomizes. I decided to make a level based on the core idea of it but I couldn’t get anything to work so I kept toying around with different things and I finally seemed to get a randomized outcome when I linked a bob-omb randomizes to Mario’s input via question mark block that hit a shell into the block below the muncher. This seamed to produce a randomized outcome using Mario’s as the input and not something premade like a spring on a track. I didn’t understand how this worked with only Mario’s input but I get it know. Thanks ceave!
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This is genius I haven't thought to use them this way
Now I want so bad to buy Mario Maker and make my level
This game is greater than I thought
Thanks for the explanation!!!
I feel the same
But I'm poor.
ceave, the real randomization is in the magikoopa spell, if you make a mini cage with a magikoopa in tracks and a brick block (the cage is made of ground) you can control the outputs asing the enemies and items that magikoopa transforms using the brick block , the outputs can be: coin, green koopa troopa, red koopa troopa, goomba, yum-yum mushrooms, 1up mushrooms, beetle, . and the enemies can activate a number of note blocks: goomba, mushroom, 1up mushroom, green koopa troopa, beetle:can activate 2 noteblocks because they can fall; red koopa troopa:activates only one noteblock because it doesnt falls; coin:it activates none because it doesnt moves.
so what you're saying is... People could make a huge randomizer, preform a bunch of inputs, check the results of the randomizer and make it so you can only beat a stage/dev skip it if you preform the same inputs.
oh no
(It could probably also be used as a password system too if you were able to convey the needed actions)
That 'surprise mechanic' line was great, but I think 'surprisingly simple mechanic' could've been good too.
A few months ago, you had an idea for an impossible level to be uploaded, or at least very very hard. Well I have made a level from the knowledge of this video where you do a combination of inputs to finish the level!
Can you figure out the code?
VTF-L25-HVG
(Edit: updated id due to cheese)
me and my friend were confused when we played because we noticed that sometimes the on off would switch without us touching it. good video, explains the level very nicely
It's funny because your gameplay is literally what we can call surprise mecanic.
It's not a loot box,it's a surprise mechanic!
*ea liked this*
Ceave : thats no lootbox, that is a surprise mechanic
Memers : it's not subscribing it's surprise following
OMG the lootboxes thing left me laughing. xD That was so perfect. So engaged with the moment, "surprise mechanic" - PERFECT, oh, the awareness, so delightful.
Wow, you upload very frequenly now, I like it,
Will you do Mushroom Kingdom championship 2019?
Someone made a math level where you have to jump the answer. The level uses Magikoopas to kill you if it’s wrong. In a troll level played by DGR, there’s a mechanism where hitting a POW block moves a shell to a question block instead of the real POW block. So yes, I can confirm RNG manipulation.
In all seriousness though, try to minimize how much the RNG affects the actual difficulty of the level.
That's incredibly helpful Ceave, thank you! I used to watch your videos only for entertainment purposes, but now that I actually have a Mario Maker, I find your videos very inspiring. I'll get to work on my Mario Mystery Dungeon right away!
That intro though... "Button presses are used to calculate RNG, but if you dont press buttons you dont have randomness so how do you get randomness!?"
Starting seed
@@_faips_3638 /r/whoooosh
The background music faded perfectly into the credit music. I loved that so much.
You should make a discord. It's cool.
as Long as he doesnt, the psycrow should work as replacement
@@niklasneighbor6726 Yep. But one about Ceave and his community would be more amazing.
Decrupt indeed
Ceave: It’s not a loot box, it’s a surprise mechanic
Bowser:It’s not a kidnapping, it’s a surprise escort
Bro i was just looking how to make a randomizer in smm2 and you randomly made a random video about randomizers. Can you read my thoughts?
You made my day with the surprise mechanic joke.
Thank you for uploading this. It helped me create my Battle Royale inspired level. I wanted reandomized items, and had no idea how to do it. Thank you!
Course ID: 75J-G6F-WMG "GOOMBAttle Royale"
"It's actually surprisingly simple" really sounds like it can be on a t-shirt
But why did you do this Nintendo??? You just made it harder?? Why??
No one:
Not a single person
NINTENDO: hey I’ll make ps4 buttons on the magic koopa to make shore that koopa loves play station
Ceave:This is no lootbox.
Overwatch has left the chat.
I love how the video description is just the beginning of the video. Every time. I think it's funny, Ceave is one of my favorite youtubers tbh.
Hello you lovely youtube person
This video helped so much. I understood the input dependent rng part, but this video explained the more important parts of how the rng machines work. Hopefully some crazy stages will come out of smm2 similar to what the community made in the later years of smm
First yo fam
Calling loot boxes suprise mechanics and implementing them in to the level must have been surprisingly simple