Why I want to sell my Ducati Multistrada V4S (and why I don't)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 30 ก.ค. 2024
- After over 8500 miles in just over 3 months of ownership of the Ducat Multistrada V4S, I am starting to second guess my purchase.
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Why did you decide TO or NOT TO buy the Ducati Multistrada V4S?
Or maybe BMW XR1000 eheh
Hi, in France the radar is on, but regarding my personal experience, I will never buy a brand new bike with "marketing dreams argument" from manufacturer people. I have the Multistrada 1260 Pikes Peak 2019 version with 20000 kilometers riding, All little bugs or minor incidents have been solved. I can advise you to wait some couple of years, when the new bike will be older and more mature, to avoid trouble. I never travel highways (too boring for me, except to reach quickly a destination like moto gp race for example, so also I do not use Cruise control) ) I do not use this bike for off road (too heavy and the weight is to "high located" but I really enjoy the torque in mountains ! Have fun !
Am waiting for the Pikes Peak version as per your 17" wheel comment. But the poor fuel mileage might break the deal. My current Superduke GT gets 40 easily with pillion and bags. Pillion comfort is important--did you ride someone on back yet? Thanks!
@@DavidRodriguesOfficial_ True!
Sorry Rembo only just seen this.... very happy with 1260 V2 Enduro- this is why. But will eventually probably invest in new V4 S
Just a different perspective. First, I upgraded to the V4s from my ’18 multistrada 950 that I put 37K miles on in under 3 years. I don’t “adventure ride” - but am off-road weekly on farms I either own or work with professionally, usually accessed by tens-of-miles of twisty canyon roads in the mountains, with a healthy sprinkling of Interstate and sometimes urban (LA/SFO) riding thrown in. Here’s my take - it’s not about which bike has better stats or this or that feature; if you can ride well you can ride anything and make it sing anywhere. The best bike is the one that makes you giggle like a badass, that pulls you into the garage with your morning coffee just to stare at and tinker on. Whatever that is - go get it. If the V4s does that for you, consider keeping it. But if she’s broken your heart because of unfulfilled promise and you can’t get over it - toss the b*tch. Your emotional attachment, your passion for what you choose to ride and master, is more important than any stat or feature.
I'm hoping to buy one of these by the end of the summer. Thank you for providing a review that I can bring up to the dealer.
I picked up the 1st one in northeast Florida back in February. Got 5k miles on it before dropping it off for the new engine this week. Also the race exhaust and enduro kit finally arrived to be installed with new engine. The perks from Ducati actually worked in my favor. With the $1500 I was able to get TPS monitors, tinted windscreen, keyless fuel cap, few other accessories that should have come standard. Also saved on the labor for exhaust, the free services, and the free radar activation( whenever that is). I’m on my 3rd rear tire (thankfully i purchased the road hazard, and extended warranty) so I’m all in for 7 years at least.
The RT was a great road bike, and the GS is the most versatile do anything bike out there. You will get used to the boxer. I just wanted more power and style, so I bought the MultiStrada V4S. It gave me both, but I have to live with the increased appetite for fuel and the required patience for everything else. Good Luck with yours. I’ll let you know when I hear anything about the radar!
I didn’t know that about the radar! It was one of the things I was looking forward to. Thanks for the video definitely going to ask my dealer before I order.
thank you Sir for your honesty , really hard to find, wish you a lot more luck with your next purchase and just because of that i subscribed you
Nice review.. thanks on the heads up about the radar..
Thank you Rembo, you really made me think about whether I would fit on this bike. I am also older but when I get too much power underneath me also will sometimes release the inner child and possibly get myself in trouble. Great review, thank you.
What is missing from the Ducati line up,is a genuine sports tourer(only for road use)with fairing ,an electrical windshield, high clip ons and and engine optimised for lower rev torque and not crazy endless horse power.Ibelieve that only 5 % of riders that own big adventure bikes take them off road. They are forced to buy them because there is no sport touring alternative.Remember the st4?
Totally agree with you Rembo, I understand, fair, honest comment. Love your reviews over here in England UK. You've been completely direct, honest, accurate and frank, retaining sense of humour. I've got a deposit on new one, get it soon, haven't done deal yet, but would be upset if radar wasn't working. I've got 2018 Multi Strada Enduro 1260 and 2019 Street fighter, love Ducati. Keep doing your great reviews😀
I really appreciate your discussion here. I also looked at the BMW 1250 and rode it, and I felt the same way about it being bulky and too big. I had my ST1100 for 25 years and felt it is time to downgrade weight wise. As I wrote in an earlier comment, my experience about the radar was the same as yours; even on my drive back from the dealership I was trying to get the blind spot to work. Having said that, I still love my V4S and I will hang on to it. I also liked your point about the bike being very enticing to behave like a twenty year old; happens to me as well and I am13 years older than you are. I would be sad, when you decide to get rid of yours; I like all your movies about the bike.
Thanks for the insight. Recently bought a R1250 GSA after not having ridden for 40? years. Not the best decision, as it seemed really bulky, torquey, and heavy. Bought it based on height and friend recommendation. Multistrada was just a little high for me. After buying the 1250, was thinking in your direction with a smaller, lighter bike. After a month of going slow, and a lot of practice in parking lots, I find it extremely easy to maneuver. You can't not see the engine, but I figure it's just more protection for my legs.
Very good points...
I feel your pain with the radar. My situation is different as i was really happy my Enduro Pro came with heated grips, BUT, they aren’t MFn activated and will cost an additional $600 to make them functional. Other than that i am super happy with mine. It is much slower then the ZX14R and ZH2 i had. Like you, i mostly had no self control on those bikes. Good video man, take care and good luck with your decision.
LOVE my 2013 Multistrada 1200S Grandtursimo, it is a joy of a bike. Just did my own Desmo service and put new tires on. They say on the forums the 13 and 14 is the best handling Multistradas.
I really appreciate your perspectives. TY for the tire update. Looking forward to seeing what you trade for. Here's a post I made on the Duc forum 4 months ago.
What I should not have done on my Multistrada today -
I guess I watched to many advertisements of cool guys riding big ADV bikes off road and thought it must be fun. Wheelies, donuts, kicking up some dirt, etc. Maybe something akin to my 2 stroke dirt bike enjoyment of 40 years ago. I made a recent trip to ride my Multi 1200S on some gravel and dirt, nothing too rough mind you. I found no joy riding a 500lbs, 150 horse power bike with tall gears off road. It was more work than fun not to mention the thought of dropping a $20K bike on a creek bed. I was quite happy to get back on the asphalt.
I certainly get the point of big ADV off road if you are doing cross country on a single bike. But to purposely go off road for enjoyment is beyond me. I love the Multi for so many reasons, but off road riding is not one of them.
Just a personal experience and opinion for others that may swept up by the cool off road big Adv advertisements.
Great information. Thank you.
Great commentary
Hey Rembo- thanks for sharing. Given the engine recalls and other Ducati mismanagement of their supply chain, I am sadly no longer able to get my V4S anytime soon for riding season. Thus, I’m back to picking up another bike soon which I’ll share later. A few other models that I looked at you might want to consider if this one isn’t quite your fit (and I’m totally with you in not liking that Boxer engine at all):
BMW S1000XR
BMW F900XR
Triumph 900 or 1200 range
Yamaha FJR1300 or Tracer 9
Kawasaki Versys
Yet it’s hard to find the right bike that checks ALL the boxes… so good luck with what you decide. 👍
Great choices
Very good recommendations. The FJR1300 consistently gets good reviews since they added cruise control and a 6th gear. I was darn close to buying one before a Valkyrie 1800 grabbed me.
The mirrors have the lights for the blindspot sensors but they don't install the radar in florida? In my country the non radar edition doesn't have the lights at the mirrors
The U.S. NTSB hasn’t yet approved the radar system, partially due to the delays resulting from COVID. They expect to have final approval either late this summer or sometime in the fall. Supposedly. That’s why the lights are on the mirrors. They expect to obtain approval and just haven’t activated the systems on U.S. bikes.
There is no other bike with blind spot monitoring on the market. The only other one with ACC is the R1250RT which you're not a fan of. So the things you're pissed off about, no other bike will get it for you.
I understand that it left a bitter taste in your mouth that they raised the price of the bike by the missing Radar system and you feel like you're cheated out of something that you were originally promised.
Good luck with whatever you choose to replace it with, it's going to cost you a lot more than $850 and you still won't have blond spot monitoring.
I think mine was the 2nd in Alberta (only 2 dealerships that I know of). 3.5 hours away. Warranty is different, here. Pretty much have to have the dealership do all service or void the warranty, so now I'm waiting for the first service, for over 4 weeks - they should at least have enough capacity to provide timely service. Speed creep is real, and I AM disciplined. Even just out on the road, if I don't check the speedo, it starts creeping up no matter what - touchy throttle, too. So, I do love the cruise control. Range is terrible. I can't even get to/from the dealership on a tank, for just over 300 kms (195 mi), and that's with break in driving! It's definitely heavier than before - I haven't been able to get it up on the center stand by myself! I'm not going to bother with the Connect - I plan to have a Garmin Zumo mounted above the stock display, and have my phone connected to my Cardo PackTalk Black. Despite the issues, it is not likely I'll sell. This was purchased to honor my daughter, who passed last year, with funds from her life insurance. When I ride, I ride with her.
For me, Hyperstrada 939 is the best for road touring with 113Hp, 16L of fuel (with 6L additional fuel box for rural areas ride) with 210kg full loads, is enough for enjoying the trip
Have you considered the Multistrada 950s. Lighter, bells and whistles, and 50+ mpg?
No, I like the smooth, lesser vibration of the V4. The 950 actually sits a bit higher.
I thought of your bike experience when I watched Jay Leno’s video featuring the Multistrada and the head of Ducati North America. Nothing was said about the ACC not being turned on. It would be nice to know if one was thinking of buying one.
I could not ride one because I have a very short inseam. I ride a lowered Concours14 with a custom saddle and I get by. Previous Ducatis always scared me with their desmo valve train. The shorter maintenance intervals are probably a thing of the past, but I don’t want to trust someone else to set the valves and would not attempt it on a desmo system.
hey, I just traded my 2016 for my new 2021 V4S it wasn't in South FL but they were asking me if I want it now I have to pay $900 available now,I decided to wait later, did you get it yet??
I got it turned on for free.
Thanks for the review and your service. A lot of what you explained is why I went ‘21 V4 Panigale vs a 2018. Like 6 documented recalls on the Pani ‘18, early supply chain issues, etc. Hopefully my waiting a bit continues to pay off, so far 2k miles and no issues, no recalls. Seems like a lot of manufacturers release next gen before they’re ready. Totally understand the frustration paying for the options and not getting them :/. I’m a tall guy, love sport on my V4 but enjoy dirt/adventure/touring as well. That V4 Multistrada is on my list but prob after it’s been out for a while. That mileage sounds awful even for short trips - does mileage change significantly with ride modes?
Mileage is worse in sport mode as expected, otherwise no difference for me as I am usually in touring mode anyway and just tried urban mode but it is too sluggish.
Hi Rembo.
Being that you live in hot Florida, did you think that the seat picked up any heat from the engine?
Thanks
Not at all. I have covered this non-issue multiple times. There is not a heat issue with this bike. Even wearing jeans.
@@RemboUSMC Thanks man, I appreciate your time and effort.
Great video.
Did you ever own/ride the previous version, the V2? How would you compare the heat while in heavy traffic?
I guess that a Yamaha Tracer GT is just a little too small for your interest?
Thanks again.
The V2 version came out recently, after the V4 and I have not ridden it yet. The heat is a complete and total non-issue with the V4S and the only time I feel my leg burning on left or right is when there is direct sunlight on it. Never from the engine. I really like the Tracer and was going to get one but the local dealer does not allow test rides. That is a deal breaker.
@@RemboUSMC I'm sorry, I mean the older version of the Multi. I had a 2013 and I got great milage. I also was wondering if the V4 put out more heat
Hi Rembo was wondering if you knew anything about the Pikes Peak version as far as the top speed being increased?
Nothing reported, just engine mapping in race mode.
I laughed so hard at 6:10. I understand it so well. Sorry to hear your frustration. I know you said you wanted a touring bike, but have you thought the Ducati Diavel 1260? It's wet weight is about 514 lbs & it has 17' fron & rear tires. It's the closest bike Ducati has to a "cruiser", but it's not. It's so much more. You can get a windscreen, back rest for your passenger & also side panniers. Just a thought.
I heard the radar will be approved by October at the eeriest and the Pikes Peak version may have more HP, 17 inch wheels, single sided swing arm & gold front and rear shocks will be full Ohlins suspension. I wouldn't be surprised if they add a Termignoni exhaust as well.
Agree with all the points you made.Try backing up an RT,and you'll really find out how bad the peg position is.The new Pikes Peak version sounds perfect.Too bad you got hosed with not getting the radar.They should have made good on that for you somehow.Maybe they'll take that into consideration if you trade it for another Duc.Good luck,and ride safe.Semper Fi.👍👍
Rembo, I appreciate your honesty. I currently ride a 2016 Multistrada 1200 S, and I love it. I too, am not interested in riding it off-road. I’m in my late 40’s and am a former sport bike rider, and I love that it’s a sport bike at its core, but comfortable for the riding I do now, which is out of town, multi-day, mountain carving. I looked at the V4S, and a couple of things turned me off. Gas mileage is worse than my generation, and as I e mentioned, with the riding I do now, mileage is important to me. I don’t like the fact they got rid of the single sided swingarm, and I don’t like the 19” front wheel either, though I could live with it. I’m looking forward to the Pike’s Peak version of this bike. It may be closer to what I’d want.
Does regular cruise control work if radar isn’t activated?
Yes it does.
Great honest reactions. I just bought a leftover 1260s - wanted a twin while I could still get it and it was a lot less $$. I know what you mean about the v4 goading you into speed - I have an Aprilia Tuono that is like that, just wants to rage and go crazy fast - much easier to cruise on the 1260 multi because of the lazier power.
goading? Very fitting word. Well put.
Hello, I'm the one met you in Ducati Pomona Beach today. Nice to talked to you 👍
It was a pleasure to meet you. Good luck with whatever bike you choose.
@@RemboUSMC just finished the deals with Ian and my Multistrada V4S coming on next Thursday. Can't wait haha :)
I recently took a long test drive of a brand new KTM 1290 Super Adventure S 2021 and I was very impressed with this bike. It has adaptive cruise control that works great, it has a real fuel consumption when driving fast at about 40 mpg, it has a gorgeous electronic suspension that can work in full auto mode and it works perfect, and of course this is a very powerful bike: 160 hp and 138 nm ( Multistrada V4S have 170 hp and 125 nm). Also this bike feels very light and maneuverable because its fuel tank is divided into 3 parts and lowered down . The motorcycle has a gorgeous display and advanced electronics, is very stable in corners and at high speeds ... in general, I highly recommend that you at least try this bike .... I personally fell in love with it !
That is great MPG. Lots of KTM fans here I see. Must be a reason. Thanks for sharing.
Agree. Ex-Ducatisti ride a KTM 1290 SAS.
It's funny you mention the power as a negative.
Back when I test rode what seemed like every adventure bike, I felt the same way about the old Multistrada. It terrified me.
Made the decision to buy the "Goldilocks" bike for me, which was the 2019 Triumph Tiger 1200. Bets bike I've ever owned, but not considering a v4 or potentially the new Tiger 1200 (less weight and a bit higher HP).
Thanks for your honesty. Top heavy, too much unusable power and no radar. Your likes and disses makes sense to a 61 year old.
I own my second super Duke and a new MV Augusta 800rr dragster Pirelli edition. The Super Duke, all that Torque and horsepower all below 9500 rpm. The MV with that triple acts like a V4 but with more character with both torque and high rpm horsepower. The MV feels like a tiny bicycle. There is a SD GT. The SD adventure offers radar cruise
I appreciate your candid views, and your assessment of the Ducati. I sympathise with the responsibility side where you are tempted to use all the power available. I ride a Yamaha MT10 and have the same problem being responsible. Good fuel economy is something modern bikes are not known for, I assume if we want the power we use the fuel in buckets. I bought the 10 because it fitted my need at the time, I have looked at several other bikes which haven't said "buy me!" My bike is not a good looker like the Ducati but heaps of fun almost exclusively two up, with the wife loving it. I would feel cheated too if I was promised such an important feature, hard to get your feelings around that one. Enjoy the bike as you are doing and take your time on any decisions as I think you are doing. Ride safe.
Barry, thank you for taking the time to respond and share your story. Safe riding.
Hello, I wanted to ask you a question about radar and blind spot detection, the problem that you describe in the video that you repeat so many times. My question is, the system not activated, is it due to a restriction in America in general or only in the state of Florida? Or, by another hand, is it a Ducati problem that has not activated it? I have seen several videos of other users in the USA who also comment on it and explain that they knew from their sellers that it would not be activated and therefore the price of the motorcycle was lower, and that once it could be activated, they would have to pay that difference of money, is that so?
I respect but do not share your arguments, a maxitrail like this is very particular and it ypu known in advance what type of motorcycle it is, no it may be that you hardly say that it is the best motorcycle you have had and now you discover "problems" like the weight, height, ect ... you already knew that when you bought it. If you want to sell it, this is your right, but do not try to give excuses that honestly do not harm anyone, and less to owners of the MTS V4Sfull like me, before this I have had 2 MTS 1260, exceptional motorcycles, but they do not even arrive. by far at the level of sportiness and driving of the V4S although it seems incredible but is true,
The radar is not approved anywhere in the US yet. Some of the "press bikes" used for selling the bike via reviews did have the radar turned on. I was not told that the radar would not be turned on until the day I picked up the bike. Concerning the bike likes and dislikes, I bought the bike without ever riding it and after over 8,500 miles have some opinions based on first hand experience. I don't believe any bike is perfect but this one comes close. I do love the bike but sometimes wonder if there is something better out there for the money........ Thank you for posting here. I appreciate your input.
The reasons you give are why I keep my older 14’ Multistrada. It’s smaller and lighter with 17” wheels on both ends. I don’t feel like I need all the fancy electronics. I like simple.
I’ve test drove a few newer one but didn’t really like them as much for different reasons.
Fair enough!
I was told at the start the radar would not be activated , but I feel your pain, we don't have it in Canada either. It is not Ducat'i's fault it is DOT. I am 70 with a 30 in inseam and I would suggest that you invest in the Ducati low seat , I have it on mine and it makes a huge difference.
Thanks for the info! I appreciate your input.
Continuing the theme of the brand new KTM 1290 Super Adventure S 2021 in my previous post ... I live in Europe and we have them on sale for several months now. The new model is 90% new and trust me ... if you are looking for a good bike- this bike is worth the wait for this model to arrive in the USA later this year.
I have a soft spot for KTM. Great info. Thank you.
Completely seconded, I tried both the MS V4S and the SAS, and to me there was no contest: the KTM is totally bri-ll-iant.
@@suezix8689 Yeah, but that headlight............................................
Ditch the duc, if I was gonna get a Italian bike it would have to be a guzzi, you should consider the pan American H D?
Thanks devil dog. Great info there.
Any time
I went from a Triumph Tiger 1200 to a BMW R1250RS. The Triumph had a lot of the same problems you talk about with the Ducati. It was big, top heavy, didn't get great gas mileage, etc. The BMW has a very low CoG, had a ton of power if you want it but it also has a lot of torque and is perfectly happy to ride at reasonable speeds. It can go fast but doesn't force you to. It also gets 50mpg.
As far as the pegs, I don't notice that at all The boxer engine gives you the low CoG. You're putting form over function. The boxer is great.
50mpg? Wow! Great info.
Yep , it is thirsty and it is top heavy . I will not take mine on dirt tracks so would rather have 17 inch F&R . In saying that the 19" does not detract from the bike's handling . I opted not to have radar & cross traffic and it is on here in OZ . I have 11 years on you and still have the need for speed so power is great. Pikes peak would be nice but pretty sure no provision for heated grips .
I’m 56 and ride a 2018 goldwing for touring. It’s like a refined sport bike. Super comfortable and handles great.
The Goldwing is the “gold standard” for touring. I have yet to ride one.
@@RemboUSMC I used to think I was too cool for one (my last bike was a BMW F800GT). Then they came with the slimmed down 2018 and it's a different bike. Combines comfort and sport. The wind protection is amazing do you don't get beat up.
I am waiting for the Husky 901 Norden.... cannot wait to ride it. I think that is going to be a great bike, check it out....
I will have to check that out.
Semper Fi. We’re the same age I was 3/5 over at Pendleton. Where were you stationed?
Nice video. Thanks
I spend some time in the 22 area at Pendleton a few times but was an east coast Marine just below Camp Lejeune at New River Air Station in HML/A 167 & HMM 264. I floated with BLT 2/2. I also spent some time at 29 Stumps.... Semper Fi.
KTM 1290 SAS?
So you' d better wait the new Pikes Peak V4 if you're looking for a 17" wheel on the front and a bigger size tire on the back with a single swingarm...this first version of the Multistrada V4 is more "on-off road bike", more than the 1260 and similar to the Africa twin and the BMW gs. If you're curious, stay tune for the presentation of the new pikes peak v4 on october 23. I
I left bmw after 3 i now am on my 2nd hd, i luv them, its bitter sweet, but great dealer network. Excellent aftermarket selection too. Try a hd, they really are dependable from my experience...
Look at a road glide or street gide special? I just bought a road glide limited, its super badass 😎 42mpg my road king got 45-48 mpg...
I’m right there with you brother. The only reason I’m considering this bike is because of the radar cruise control. Hopefully at time of this writing I can get it here in ca.
This was fixed along time ago. That is the old video.
@@RemboUSMC yep. I was up tll 2am scouring your videos looking for the "radar cruise control Finally!" video. lol test driving a 21 this week. Thanks for all the info..
Hi Rembo, Don't write off the RT, I have a V4 on order but will be keeping my 2016 RT. Best motorcycle on the planet, it will do everything the V4 will do (except for the off road thing) and nearly as quick with great economy. Try and get one for an extended test and you may find the bulk will melt away as you eat up miles. The only thing i dont like about my RT is the crap mirrors but an extra set on the handlebars sorts that. Regards, from Ireland.
Thanks for the info!
Torn between this and Tracer 9 GT. I look for the same things in a bike as you. A lot of cons you mentioned is not an issue at all on the tracer.
I too really looked at the Tracer 9 GT
I have been riding for 50 years. I have raced professional motocross and flat track. I want as much safety electronics as possible. All my bikes have stability control with IMU, etc. Blind spot is a big deal for motorcycles. Sad to hear about these delayed options. USA with slow wheels of bureaucracy. NTSB still has not approved laser headlights for cars in USA mainly because old regs require a separate high/low beam switch. Look how long sealed beam to halogen to HID to Led in the USA. Seatbelts, airbags, and stability control had to be mandated in USA. Until recently the only 2 American bike companies only offered ABS as an option when standard in premium European bikes. Many standard European bikes come standard with stability control. Luckily EUro 4 required ABS and Euro 5 requires TC.
Have you considered a BMW S1000XR ? Mine is a factory low suspension/low seat version and I get my feet flat on the ground even though I am much shorter than you (about 174 cm); and it is a great tourer with long range and performance not unlike the V4. Arguably it is as good looking as the Multistrada.
I have absolutely considered the XR. Great bike.
A few things have changed if you're still looking to move away from the Multistrada. Triumphs Tiger 1200 in the GT & Explorer variants are specifically suited for road only use and comes on 17's front and rear. That doesn't have radar cruise control but does come with blind spot detection radar.
As far as road cruiser types like the RT, there is obvious options like the Goldwing or even the K1600GT from BMW without the boxer engine. I'll be curious to see what you decide on and for your own sake, i hope Ducati pull their pants up about the radar situation.
sounds like he will whinge and whine about his next bike anyway .
Hey, you might want to check out the Multistrada 950. U.S. Army vet here, 52 years old and I love my 950. I've been riding since the 70's, did motocross as a kid, I've owned many, many street bikes and I've got a ton of miles under my belt, and really the 950 has more power than I can reasonably use safely...it is plenty fast enough to get you in big-time trouble, but in a bit more manageable package in terms of weight. I commute about 25 miles each way on it most days, and I and I absolutely love riding it. Plus, it gets much better MPGs that the V4S.
From what I understand it is taller and not as smooth as the V4S. Did you ride the V4 Multistrada yet? My dealer just got in a new 950 and it was out the door with a few days, sold.
@@RemboUSMC From 2018 on, the 950 came with the Skyhook semi-active suspension, LED lighting, and pretty much all the other bells and whistles that the 1260 has had. As far as how tall it is, I've got a 32 inch inseam and I have no problems managing it. I haven't had a chance to ride the V4S yet...unfortunately the nearest Ducati dealership is two hours away in Chicago and they just got in a small hand-full of V4S's like three weeks ago. Also, I have to agree with you...the Multistrada is just a stunning bike to look at, mine is in Ducati Red as well, only way to go. I actually was planning on getting a BMW until I saw the Multi and it was pretty much that instant realization "That's the bike I've been looking for." I've gone from riding a few hundred miles a year on the StreetGlide I had previously, to over 7,000 miles a year - here in Illinois there are a few months of the year where riding is mostly a no-go...my commuting cut-off is 30 degrees. But yeah, I ride my Multi every chance I get.
@@trer1969 Thank you for taking the time to provide details.
@@RemboUSMC No worries. One last thing that I can add, that you probably already know...Ducati's have a unique "personality." There is an art to their design and engineering. This really became apparent to me a couple months ago when I took a Honda Africa Twin out for a spin (I was really considering getting into the Adv/Touring-style riding before I get too old, with an emphasis on the off-roading part of that equation)...and while the AT felt bullet proof and totally competent on and off-road, it didn't have a personality like my Ducati does...this goes back to the old saying "If I have to explain it, you won't understand." I got back on my bike and was like "Yep, I ain't changing a thing." I'm happy with my "Sport bike on stilts" as I have heard it often described.
@@trer1969 Great info and thanks for sharing. I don't know why it took me so long to see your post.
If you considering touring, have no interested in off road and you don't want a tall bike my advise is to try the BMW K1600. I've ridden that bike in Europe and is difficult to find a more comfortable bike. Also it's a 6 cylinders straight, so no problems with your legs like the RT boxer engine. The power delivery is very smooth and effortless, plenty of comforts and accessories.
Excellent bike. I never rode the K1600 but all reviews are great.
I’m 43, and was looking for a bike I could do big miles on and still go off-road. Money isn’t an issue. I realized that there is no way this bike can do both. I have multiple bikes. I’ve actually considered trying in the BMW K1600 and even my Ninja ZX14r for this. It’s not as good as either for they’re intended application, but it’s not far off, and I gain the ability to go down dirt and gravel roads and my options are significantly more extended. I have a Tiger 900 GT Rally Pro with every off-road option and bit of protection available for more adventure riding.
The rear and blind-spot nonsense is infuriating and turns me off the brand more generally. Nothing works properly in Italy and I suspect it’s Ducati administrative incompetence that is causing the holdup. Also, charging for heated grips on a $27k+ base price is insulting. Just on principle, both of those may cause me to take my money elsewhere. Italian bike and sport car companies seem to think they’re just so desirable they can take the piss on overcharging. I’m reality, anything motoring Italian is immediately viewed as a liability, not an asset, in my view, and it seems to be a blind spot (no pun intended) for Italian manufacturers.
Lastly, the dealer experience for both BMW and Ducati is a MAJOR turn-off. The network sucks first of all, they have a monopoly and act like it, they’re slow, act like they’re doing you a favor, they think a test ride is unreasonable, and they’re always complete;y disconnected from their Parts and Sales Departments.
If I buy a Ducati, it’s I’m not because of the brand, but rather in spite of it, and I’m they’re target market where I do lots of miles, make loads of money, don’t want to service it myself. Always want the newest bike, and buy endless accessories. For cars I’ve always had lots of BMW, Mercedes, Land Rover, and Audi and the experience is much better, albeit it much worse in US vs. Europe. So it seems incongruent for the motorcycle experience to be so bad.
You are one of the Main reason I ordered this bike i was going to buy the S1000XR
I still love the bike but the wait for the radar is a PIA.
Mario Andretti would say if traffic is coming up on you and it surprises you, then you're going way too slow to even charge up the battery. lol
Actually, turning on the radar may be a regulatory compliance issue because Ducati may not have government authorization to turn it on. Radar is typically regulated by government agencies since it is a transmitting radio signal. Good luck!
i think it's worth trying the new ktm 1290 sas ;) After testing, I bought it. it has a radar, is lighter and uses less gasoline.
No idea those features they promote and feature are not actually on the bikes! What is the reason? The BMW K1600gt is a nice touring bike if you don't like the boxer, but then again it has more weight than you want. I agree I wish blind spot monitoring was available for all bikes.
Hahahahaha. You talk about the R1200RT and the Multistrada and how you may like the RT but why you don’t like it. I’ll tell you that I purchased both years ago. The RT being the first purchase and the RT being the second purchase. Now My purchases were some years ago. The RT was a 2009 model and the Multistrada was the 2014 GT model. The RT had its electronic suspension option but not stability control. The Multi had skyhook and stability control. I loved them both and loved to ride them both. The RT on long touring trips and had 47 mpg fully loaded with trunk, bags and camping gear. I would trip all over the USA on three week trips on the RT and loved it. The pegs are in a different spot for sure but its easy to get used to those. The pegs are a little bit higher on the RT so long legs are a little mor cramped on long rides but still ok with a 34” inseam. I would do 800 mile days or 1000 mile days or 1200 mile days so I could cross the midwest quickly.
On the Multistrada I liked touring on it shorter distances and on hotter days like July and August because the RT fairing is so good its hot on 95 plus degree days. The Multi is soooo good in the mountains on twisty roads up and down mountains. The Ducati syspension on rough roads cannot be beat by the RT. The multi is sooooo good on rough or unpaved roads that it shocksyou how smooth the Skyhook really is. The RT Telelever is fantastic on the paved roads but lacks precision the Multi has. When you on the Multi the position is tighter and less spread out than on the RT. You feel like your in a fighter cockpit, locked into a fixed position. The RT gives you room to move araound and find your spot and you can change your spot forward or aft. The Multi actually carries the same amount of gear as my RT and it carries it more forward of the rear axle than the RT which has less effect on the final handling of the bike.
Here is the thing - you have to decide - you want the weight low , then you have to allow for the boxer width. You don’t want the width, you have to allow those big heads to be vertical and weight high. Pick one (or - a Guzzi!). That boxer is what you are describing - except for weight - top heavy , boxer fixes big time. Power only at high revs, boxer fixes that - boxer has more power than that Duc up until 8k rpm. So arguably, in normal road riding, better with boxer. Agree the RT is a bit front heavy although I had no problems with foot pegs and am quite a bit taller than you. The GS , lowered suspension, lowered seat - provides a good option if you can get your head around the boxer. But does have the 19 front so … But, High torque, super low center of mass, super high moment of inertia. Will not rev as high as the v4, and will not keep up in a scenario where you can hold the revs up. But will more than keep up otherwise. Oh, and a shaft drive so no chain maintenance. I have had quite a few bikes in the last two years. The Duc, very comfy as you say, but the power was too far up the rev range. I actually preferred the KTM SAS 1290 to the duc. similar power, but more available, sooner. Not as comfy and not as refined. In the end, I stopped at the boring old GS.
Great information. Thank you for taking the time to share with us.
Stop complaining, oh my God. If you were a woman i would have guessed it’s a certain period of the month. I hate it, I love it… I have one and I REALLY enjoy it. It is so much better than my 2019 super adventure S was. Get a car if you’re doing only highway miles or really start riding this Italian beauty.
Rembo, Thanks for these practical videos. From India here. V4 I can't afford for sure. Moreover the radars will go berzerk in our unruly traffic. I am getting a good deal on the 1260 Enduro (showroom display bike, Very less used, mint condition) So much that it is costing 30% lesser than the Multi 950s. Something tells me there might be a catch. Fuel efficiency, weight, heating maybe? Don't want to end up buying a bike I can't have fun riding. Or should I come to terms and go for a new Versys 650 or the upcoming Tiger Sport 660. Lesser bells and whistles, sane power at a similar price point.
I just took a ride on the multi-Strada 1260 Enduro and will be putting together a short video. You may want to look at another bike
@@RemboUSMC That's superb. Thanks. Eagerly waiting. Arrived the right place at the right time. Subscribing.
Apologies my comments were not supposed to be that harsh or rude….enjoy and have a safe ride 👍😎😎😎
17ich would definitely be better. I’m the same. I don’t want the adventure aspect. I’d be happier with a pure sport tourer. I love the equipment. Radar is definitely a selling point. Same as the GPS and phone charger cubby. I hope they make a more sport touring. I agree with all your saying. I’m hoping the next mt10 has some sort of tracer aspect. If ducati isn’t making something different.
Totally agree
Does it really have radar or not ?
I am not sure at this point since it is still not turned on.
Own the bike for a few days now and not really happy. I cannot bear hot air stream blowing into my leff leg... .
hmm I don't have that issue
Yep, they haven’t made the perfect bike yet. Problems with Ducati not having the software ready is not a good sign for them. They have some traditional issues in the organization that causes something like this to happen. Bike was not ready to release with this option installed.
Watching this from UK and why on earth would Ducati sell this without radar? Utter madness. It's one of the main selling points of this model, as you say that blindspot radar is a game changer and potential life saver.
I may have to retire to Europe. Frustrating.....
In some ways, it is a love/hate relationship. My previous one was 2011, and was pretty good (though I had to sell it a couple years later). This time, the V4S is to honor my daughter, who recently passed - I ride with her. Canada also does not have the radar functional, yet :-( Ultimately, I wanted the Cadillac of Adventure Bikes, and this one, for me, is it. (As much as the BMW as many great features, that boxer engine is just too wide!) In fact, though, most of my use will be Touring, with Urban being a ways behind. Almost no off-road (I'd have to get the right tires, as loose gravel roads are currently too dangerous), and no Sport - I don't bother with Track Days (none around that I am aware of, anyway), and I don't drive illegally. Ultimately, the high end features outweigh the negatives (including price, range, premium fuel, and the fact that Ducati wants everything done through their dealers), and it's a step or more above my previous 2011 model.
I feel the same way about the boxer engine. I just don't like it no matter how "proven" it is.
@@RemboUSMC Me neither.
Triple digits come up too quick. I owned a turbo 911 but bought a base 911 later. The slower 911 was more enjoyable as able to go thru a few gears before 100 mph. The turbo in 2 gears over 100 mph. Mid size bikes now are plenty powerful
So you completely understand where I am coming from. Thanks for posting.
Exactly the same story with my way upgraded Nissan GTR vs my factory stock GTR. There is such a thing as too much power on public roads. And, the upgraded GTR beats the breaks off the 911 Turbo S.
Contact me if you wish to sell the machine. I am interested.
Poor mpg is the only reason i wouldn't buy one, besides that its badass...
I'm on my 3rd gen Multi and I do love this bike but I don't feel the love from Ducati. The dealership is fine but the company itself, not so much. I've had multiple major/minor issues along the way that I prob wouldn't have with "lesser" bikes. My point in all this, I'm not at all surprised about the major feature of radar and blindspot assistance not being ready for USA yet and Ducati not being very up front about that.
Thanks for sharing
V.3 Superduke GT 1290 (allegedly coming)?
You should buy a Honda nc750x for commute. 80mpg per gallon.
That is fantastic mileage. Wow.
Don't you like the bmw S1000XR? It could be the right bike for you
Oh I have had my eye on that bike and want to test ride it but the dealer did not have one in stock.
I think your annoyance may be more with your dealer, not giving you the proper heads up from day one? If the Feds are dragging their feet on approval, Ducati cannot be held responsible for that, any more than BMW can for the radar on the RT. When it is approved, the blind-spot monitoring will be a USP that nobody else has. All bikes supplied for reviews by Ducati NA have these features invoked, but regular customer machines do not. IMPO a Pikes Peak will not happen, it's still speculation at this point. All photos online seem to be of the initial prototypes that pre-date the final (19" wheel) product. IMPO it's just too costly to develop, test, build and supply a niche variant that just doesn't sell in volume. That's why there is no 'Enduro' variant a la 1260.
Thanks for the insight.
Maybe the V4 Pikes Peak would be a better suited bike for you
Maybe, but the price......
I agree with you. Can you not ask for a refund for the radar bits and then say you will pay it back when it's activated?
1260 GT sounds perfect for you
Blindspot monitoring aside, I hate active cruise control on my car as it doesn’t suit my style of driving and being progressive.
I would not choose it for my bike, and hearing your style of riding, you might hate it.
the range issue too
Get yourself a test of either the ktm super adventure S or the superduke gt.
I've heard good things about them both.
Get a 900 tracer it's all you would need
That is the bike I was going to buy to begin with.
Agree! I like lighter bikes, closer to the ground
If you thought this bike made you behave badly, DO NOT GET THE PIKES PEAK! It’s not called that for no reason. It’s a proper full on hooligan bike. Ride it like you stole it. You have been warned!
As for the radar/blind spot monitoring toys, get a car. Trust to your experience, not a gadget.
Well said
6:10 is thats why i ride a bike. When i feel unhappy i just go out and take my tracer 900. After some ride i feel so good and i feel that i am really living, alive :) I know its dangerous but you can die also with that scooters. The life is just like "do what u like to do" for me. Sorry for my english, its all i can do. Great video, thanks.
The Tracer 900 is a fantastic bike. Enjoy and stay safe.
I don’t get your legislators over in the US, if it’s good enough for us in Europe on some of our unrestricted roads what’s the friggin problem - just go and get yourself a KTM 1290 SAS, 2021 model, and with the money you’ll save on the purchase you could have a ball👍
Yet another reason I want to move to Europe.
Sell it bro peace of mind is priceless.u can buy any bike anytime.