Guys, be careful. Don't buy this product. You will be disappointed like me :(. The OLED has a huge problem with display and missing keystrokes. X1 gen 2 and P1 gen 2 have the very same issues. The touch layer on top of OLED is designed wrongly (a thrid-party touch) resulting in a bad experience of the OLED screen (from Samsung). You can see all over the screen small dots. Lenovo still doesn't recognize this as an issue. So, when you call support, you get nothing. The specs are the same as dell XPS 15. There is a reason why Dell doesn't offer any touch version with the OLED screen. So go for that or for mac pro 16 as the price range are similar on all these. AND please check Lenovo forums for known issues first before buying this product.
@@andrewmarcdavid I, and many more users around the world have the keyboard problem. The X1 Extreme Gen2 is a great product... when you use it with an external keyboard, mouse and monitor. As a Laptop, is useless. You can't even write a mail in this POS.
@@andrewmarcdavid Yeah, I suspected that might be the case. It looks like it also created some glare on the IPS display. I've used some truly stunning IPS displays from Lenovo in the past, and never have I seen colors that washed out, that's why I was wondering.
Don't believe the hype. I've used my X1 gen 2 for about 3 weeks now and I can honestly say I am extremely disappointed. Quality control is extremely low at the manufacturing and assembly level. Keyboard is extremely stiff and uncomfortable with a very matt sandy feel to them. Fingers will get very tired after long hours of typing. Occasionally you will experience missing key strokes. Backlight not uniform with some keys pushed in, not completely leveled with the rest of the keys. P53 and E-series keys are far better than the X1's. Severe thermal throttling on the i9-9880h cpu, you are better off getting the i7 processor, but even then you'll probably still end up not fully utilization that processor's max potential. Battery life is abysmal. People that review these laptops on youtube only use them for a couple of days. Fresh windows 10 install, including all updated drivers and most recent bios firmware, at 70% screen brightness, hybrid graphics card mode, CPU core & cash undervolted at -0.135V, HDR mode turned off, with office use and browsing you get at most 4 hours. With dedicated graphics enabled you only get 2 hours. This is a joke for a CAN $4,000 laptop. Not to mention a lot of stuttering, laggy, sluggish youtube streams using the igpu. Even when hardware acceleration disabled, HDR disabled, and windows video processing enhancement disabled, you still experience stuttering at 1080p and 4k. Tried to switch out my ssd, but the m.2 screw was so tightly screwed in, I literally stripped the screw and can't even swap out the ssd. Lenovo Vantage doesn't even work at times, software gets stuck and you need to restart the laptop. Supposedly vantage improves battery life, but that obviously wasn't the case. In addition, fan was making grinding noises. The only good thing about the X1 is the oled panel. It was stunning to look at, every thing is crystal clear on that panel, just wished that the rest of the components were just as good. Oh yeah, finger print reader and facial recognition always worked correctly. I don't understand how lenovo rates these laptops at 14 hours battery life. Maybe their test laptops are in sleep mode when they calculate the battery life hours.
I have thr x1 extreme 3 amd the x1 carbon 7 gen and for me they are too quality.. but i decided to stay with the 1x carbon is so beautiful and looks so high class
Great review on both these units, thank you !!! Subscribed just based on these two reviews but to those looking at this laptop be very careful and check out the Lenovo company forums. The X1 Gen2 has a TON of screen and keyboard problems, There is a 20+ page thread on just the keyboard problem alone that has gone on for months and lenovo is offering no solutions at all. I am sure the review sample they are sending out are just fine but to those buying them in the stores or on lenovo's website should be VERY CAREFUL. Also check out how many refurbed units lenovo has for sale, people are sending these things back in droves.
Rubi Doo Do you think the OLED version is more risk buying because it is the „first generation“ in Thinkpads and IPS 4K is more safe? I have a T480 FHD and have trouble with concentration because of the bad display. Either IPS 4K or OLED 4K?
Thank you! I’ve been dying for reviews of the OLED version of the Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Extreme. Excellent review - first one I’ve seen. Which do you recommend between the Dell XPS 15 with the 4K touchscreen option or the Thinkpad X1 Extreme with the OLED? Do you recommend waiting until the 10th gen H-series processors are released this summer? I’ve heard rumors of an eight-core i7 and ten-core i9. I’m hoping Dell will redesign the XPS or Lenovo will give the Extreme a larger battery. The MacBook Pro may get microLED, which would be outstanding. I’m really excited for next year of tech.
It consumes less power for black, but it consumes more power than LCD for white pixels. Since most of the web is white pages, battery life on OLED is worse than LCD.
It's clear from all of the reviews of these leading laptops that the promise of the 10th Gen processors has been far less than hoped....and OLED exacts a huge price on battery life
I just bought a Lenovo ideapad flex with a 15.6" UHD (3840 x 2160) IPS, VESA HDR + Dolby VisionTM, 500 nits, 72% NTSC. What stylus do you recomend for this screen?
I just returned my X1 Etreme Gen2. In 25 Years this was the biggest nightmare. Sometimes dont charge, Fingerprint reader bad, bad wifi, stuck in booting, display brightness issues, Fan rattling and even with payed onsite support, first thing they ask is to mail it in. I ordered an XPS15 now. I worry, now all manufacturers dont have quality control and leave it to the customer. ThinkPads used to be rock solid. Those times are over. I spend the most money than ever before and got the worst nightmare than ever before.
Hey guys super excited tonight I’m installing the RAM and SSD kits to my X1 and finally unboxing it. My X1 Extreme Gen 2 (Total Price $2300 CAD, $1770 US) UHD Screen I7-9750H 256 SSD Stock 1 TB SSD 970 EVO Samsung $200 8gb Ram Stock 32gb Ram by Samsung $200 CAD Fingerprint Backlight Win Pro. 1 Year Warranty. I bought Black Friday.
Hi Marc! Just the comparison I was waiting for. The only thing you do not mention in your video is reflections on the OLED screen. I am a developer writing lots of code and I have ordered a P1 with the IPS display to avoid reflections, although I prefer the OLED due to the grear blacks, great colors and touch capability. I would really appreciate your comment on the OLED reflections, so I could change my order if it's not a problem. Thanks and happy new year!
Thank you so much for the review Andrew. I ordered the X2EGen2 with the i9 and 4K OLED. Figured I'd try something different. I do a lot of media consumption so figured I'd go with the OLED to see some actual blacks. I can always dock my Thinkpad to hook it up to my NEC IPS 4K monitor if I want IPS. :)
Oh your going to LOVE the OLED, I have a Think Pad X1 OLED from a few generations ago and I wont buy anything BUT OLED now because when you are doing work your eyes NEVER get tired. You will never go back to any other display!. Congrats!..
hI there, I have my p1 gen2 with oled right now, side by side compare with my x1 carbon gen 6, I find significantly shorter key travel on my p1 gen2, that's very disappointing just wondering do you feel the same on your x1 extreme gen 2 oled
The X1 Extreme is a good device. The more I see from OLED, the more I think a company needs to come out with a 1080p OLED panel because these 4K OLED battery results have been disappointing. I get that for workstation and desktop replacements, there is an expectation they are supposed to be plugged up. BUT, there is a demand for portable devices that last. Good review.
Yes, I was thinking that too. I have a dell xps 15 oled. When I choose the 1080p resolution, text is still pretty crisp thanks to the great contrast. Surprisingly, it still looks sharper than the 1080p matte display on my 13 inch lenovo ultrabook. Contrast really helps you to perceive text better. Sure 4k looks even better, maybe a 2k-screen would be the sweetspot? BTW: I get quite decent battery life out of mine. Around 7-8 hours with light productivity - which is enough for my needs.
If they turn this into an X1 Yoga, I would buy today. Upgradable memory and two M.2 slots, just wow. Way ahead of Dell with their decision to solder everything and use a chicklet keyboard.
Thanks for the review, Andrew. Can't wait for my P1 to arrive, although I'm a little disappointed with the battery life on the OLED screen, I'm guessing I might be able to get a little bit more as I always have the dark theme on
Question: I had a 2014 MacBook Pro Retina that de-soldered itself, as they're prone to do. It was my first glossy screen computer, bought used last year, and I didn't like it: too many reflections, too much eyestrain. I'm replacing it, not repairing it, so I'm asking if anyone can compare the OLED display in that regard. Photo editing and printing is my most demanding use and I'm not a gamer. Ergonomically, I'm not really keen on touch on a clamshell laptop. Since the touch circuitry is always active, that's delivering a significant hit to battery life: it's not just OLED. But battery life isn't a major issue for me so I could put up with it. I'm considering the P53 since maximum portability isn't a concern, it has a number pad, is more expandable, should cool better, and comes in a hair less expensive right now. But thin & light is nice, too.
3:08 I am customizing a new work laptop (P15) and was trying to decide what whether to get the IPS or OLED screen. Thank you so much for this video, it's clear that the OLED, while it has lower "nits", is worth it!!!
Love this laptop except that battery. Still undecided between this or dell xps 15. I am worried about the no usb a ports on the Dell, honestly at home not worried about either of one of these machines it's only on the go. No usb on the Dell and low battery capacity on the lenovo. Would have been cool to have a replaceable battery like the older lenovo's that would have been awesome. Replaceable battery that can also be used as a portable power brick while traveling. Just thinking out loud in this comment. How's everyone doing? 🤙
I was considering buying the X1 Extreme Gen2 with an OLED panel now (May 2020) even though the Gen3 is just around the corner, but after seeing the battery performance of the Gen2, I'm strongly considering waiting for the Gen3 release in hopes it has a better battery life than its predecessor, any thoughts on this?
How can this be HDR500 if it only goes upto 368 nits? Am I understanding the HDR standards incorrectly? OLED does mean deeper blacks, but max brightness is still only 368 nits.
Excellent review Andrew. Exactly what I was looking for. For the on the go photographer, do you recommend the IPS for the quick photo editing? I am a bit worried about the battery on the OLED, but also I don't want to sacrifice the screen quality.
Andrew, need your suggestion!!! Which one should I buy. Please help on this.. HP Spectre x360 13” i5 8th gen 8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD - $730 (New) MacBook Pro 13” i5 7th gen, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD (2017 Model) -$840 ( Amazon Renewed) People are saying MAC is free from virus compared to Windows, as it will easily get affected by virus
Thanks for the comparison! In my opinion the touch function is nice but actually redundant because it is not a fully convertible screen. How about the oled screen in detail: do you recognize a mesh on the screen. This is the touch layer actually. I worry it would disturb me when doing image and video editing. Unfortunately there is no option to configure a thinkpad with a 4k IPS display. Makes me upset somehow....
I got exactly the same problem on my X1E Gen2 UHD Touch screen (mesh looking layer on the screen). Would be interesting to hear if Andrew Marc David had it on his review unit.
Thank you Andrew, I was really looking forward to this particular video and you did not disappoint with your work intensive and feature loaden presentation. I also value the fact that you left out 'background music' for most of the vlog, something that is so annoying, at least for me. If I want to listen to music whilst absorbing interesting narrative, I could turn on the radio. I currently own a T440s and I am still a little worried that the OLED panel might not be all that much brighter than the one on my laptop. You would definitely go for the OLED if you were interested in photo editing and Excel work? Thanks again Andrew and please continue to trust your unaccompanied voice. You are doing great. Any chance on testing the Asus ProArt 17 inch laptop th-cam.com/video/0E0ClF8wQzk/w-d-xo.html (Please ignore the loud music, as I tried to)
Aneesh Prasobhan I got i7-9750H 256 SSD 8 GB RAM UHD Windows Pro Bought separately 32 GB RAM exactly same model number as the one Lenovo sells it’s a SamsungDDR4 2666 mHz M471A4G43MB1 $200 Canadian Bought separately 1 TB SSD 970 EVO by Samsung super fast. $200 Canadian I paid about $1900 Canadian which is around $1500 US for the base. Total I paid about $2300 Canadian $1770 US for the X1 with 1.2 TB SSD and 40GB Ram with UHD screen. I hope the 8gb and 32gb work together as they are the same brand and model numbers!
@@kylecooper139 i suggest you guy one more 32GB RAM and make it 64. Because the "Dual channel " system can be used to its full potential if the memory sizes are same. Awesome specs anyhow.
Aneesh Prasobhan I installed the 32 cant afford another 32 but it shows up as 40GB if ram which is great. So I’ve installed a 1 TB Samsung EVO m.2 SSD. I just popped everything in before my first boot up. Used Samsung magician and I formatted it. Hope I did it correctly what do you think? I didn’t change any boot settings or put windows on it either it’s still on my slightly slower 256 SSD
Finally LENOVO is listenig people and they are not soldering components... But, What are you doing working today ? Come on, sheers!! Happy new year. BTW, Lenovo comes with new shave machines models in 2020 ( hahah ). Best reviews man.
There is no H or HK series i7 or i9 intel processor, 10th generation. Only the ultra-low voltage, so for the moment 9th generation is the last for those high-performance laptops. I actually really-really like to see AMD 4000 series mobile chips in those high-end laptops.
Just bought a refurb from Lenovo Outlet for $1,358.99! i7-9750H, OLED, 1TB SSD, and 8 GB RAM (I will be upgrading this to 32GB). If you're thinking about picking one of these up, definitely check out a refurb . . . insane value.
I just watched this again!!!. I LOVE OLED displays... I have them myself and rarely will buy anything else if I need a new machine. I am considering this...
@Andrew Marc David I'm shocked with that 4h battery life and I think you should've mention the following in your video: you've done a great job showing two graphics related to battery life, where in the first one both DELL and HP had significantly better brightness (between 441 and 485) which is normally the culprit of poor battery life on most laptops, where the Lenovo had only 368! Next, on the second chart you see the logical result: DELL with lower brightness 441 had better battery life than the HP - 8:14, which has 21% bigger battery but 50% more battery life! All 4k OLED laptops on the market uses the same OLED display from Samsung, so there is no excuse! There is much more for you to investigate - please ask your contact in Lenovo for reason and whether they are going to fix it later via software/firmware?
@@andrewmarcdavid Thanks! Another thing, if you still have the opportunity to compare Lenovo with DELL/HP OLED laptops is whether the laptop uses NVIDIA card for browsing web while the laptop is in battery mode or it automatically shuts it down and use only the build-in Intel GPU in the browser. That could be the reason for the poor results - the battery consumption looks similar to what I would expect from this laptop with light gaming, not browsing!
@@JulianBG As far as I read: yes it does. At least I know, that the lenovo uses the nvidia card for the video outputs if you connect it to an external display, whereas the dell xps usses internal graphics for all display-duties. I dont't know if that means that it uses the 1060 for the internal display too though- or maybe you could switch it like in some dell precision models? Idk
@@fzst-ub5xf In that case it is interesting to see what Dell and HP are doing in the same situation. I would expect in battery mode (no external connection to monitor) to use Intel GPU by default. Probably some applications will need explicit access to NVidia GPU (like video editing software). However, I see no way with NVidia GPU turned on, any laptop on the market to manage to get 8h battery life.
Thanks so much for the video! I was trying to make a decision between the 4K IPS and OLED and your video is the only one helpful. I was surprised to see that the OLED requires much more electricity and bring the battery life completely down. That becomes a dealbreaker for me to not make any purchase this year. With the newer generation of CPU, Graphics card, even USB and thunderbolt connection becoming available, I could easiliy see a major renovation for the gen 4. It'll be even better if lenovo can make something similar with the AMD CPUs and graphic cards.
Hey was that the 300 nit IPS default display or the upgraded 500 nit IPS panel? The OLED is really expensive config in Australia but the 300 to 500 nit upgrade is $50 AUD which seems good value.
Hi, Andrew. Thanks for the review. I got my P1 Gen 2 with 4K OLED for about a month now. But have one annoying issue, the screen keeps dim itself when I watch video online. I searched everywhere but had no luck to figure out. Could you help?
I just got mine and it does the same. check your lenovo app and the windows app to see if they are "fighting" for display settings. I found the lenovo one dimmed at 5 min and the windows at 15 so they fought and sometimes it would dim early. Adding a red light filter from either did the same. I switched to only using the windows settings and it has been better
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Guys, be careful. Don't buy this product. You will be disappointed like me :(. The OLED has a huge problem with display and missing keystrokes. X1 gen 2 and P1 gen 2 have the very same issues. The touch layer on top of OLED is designed wrongly (a thrid-party touch) resulting in a bad experience of the OLED screen (from Samsung). You can see all over the screen small dots. Lenovo still doesn't recognize this as an issue. So, when you call support, you get nothing. The specs are the same as dell XPS 15. There is a reason why Dell doesn't offer any touch version with the OLED screen. So go for that or for mac pro 16 as the price range are similar on all these. AND please check Lenovo forums for known issues first before buying this product.
Ok, I carefully looked at this display and I don't see the dots and touch works great. That is my experience with this unit.
@@andrewmarcdavid I, and many more users around the world have the keyboard problem. The X1 Extreme Gen2 is a great product... when you use it with an external keyboard, mouse and monitor. As a Laptop, is useless. You can't even write a mail in this POS.
Andrew I love your reviews. Not that bullshit talk like almost any other reviewer. :)
Love me some Andrew
At around 3:20, comparing IPS and OLED side-by-side, is the picture wrong or do those two laptops really are different colors?
Its the difference between OLED and IPS
@@andrewmarcdavid I mean the color of the body of the laptop, not the screen.
@@hajimeyamasakivukelic7235 same color but the sun was shining on the body giving appearance of different color
@@andrewmarcdavid Yeah, I suspected that might be the case. It looks like it also created some glare on the IPS display. I've used some truly stunning IPS displays from Lenovo in the past, and never have I seen colors that washed out, that's why I was wondering.
It would be good if you could review the mag 15 or xmg fusion 15 laptop.
Don't believe the hype. I've used my X1 gen 2 for about 3 weeks now and I can honestly say I am extremely disappointed. Quality control is extremely low at the manufacturing and assembly level. Keyboard is extremely stiff and uncomfortable with a very matt sandy feel to them. Fingers will get very tired after long hours of typing. Occasionally you will experience missing key strokes. Backlight not uniform with some keys pushed in, not completely leveled with the rest of the keys. P53 and E-series keys are far better than the X1's. Severe thermal throttling on the i9-9880h cpu, you are better off getting the i7 processor, but even then you'll probably still end up not fully utilization that processor's max potential. Battery life is abysmal. People that review these laptops on youtube only use them for a couple of days. Fresh windows 10 install, including all updated drivers and most recent bios firmware, at 70% screen brightness, hybrid graphics card mode, CPU core & cash undervolted at -0.135V, HDR mode turned off, with office use and browsing you get at most 4 hours. With dedicated graphics enabled you only get 2 hours. This is a joke for a CAN $4,000 laptop. Not to mention a lot of stuttering, laggy, sluggish youtube streams using the igpu. Even when hardware acceleration disabled, HDR disabled, and windows video processing enhancement disabled, you still experience stuttering at 1080p and 4k. Tried to switch out my ssd, but the m.2 screw was so tightly screwed in, I literally stripped the screw and can't even swap out the ssd. Lenovo Vantage doesn't even work at times, software gets stuck and you need to restart the laptop. Supposedly vantage improves battery life, but that obviously wasn't the case. In addition, fan was making grinding noises. The only good thing about the X1 is the oled panel. It was stunning to look at, every thing is crystal clear on that panel, just wished that the rest of the components were just as good. Oh yeah, finger print reader and facial recognition always worked correctly. I don't understand how lenovo rates these laptops at 14 hours battery life. Maybe their test laptops are in sleep mode when they calculate the battery life hours.
4 hrs on 150 nits brightness... wow thats super bad xD too bad I was just waiting to buy the new gen 3. But its probably going to be the same thing
@@snyggmikael I ordered i will let you know
I have thr x1 extreme 3 amd the x1 carbon 7 gen and for me they are too quality.. but i decided to stay with the 1x carbon is so beautiful and looks so high class
it's portable?
how so, since the battery life is garbage!
Marcus Aurelius apparently the p1 gen 2 gets 7 hours of battery life with oled so I assume it’s some dodgy gpu drivers
Great review on both these units, thank you !!! Subscribed just based on these two reviews
but to those looking at this laptop be very careful and check out the Lenovo company forums. The X1 Gen2 has a TON of screen and keyboard problems, There is a 20+ page thread on just the keyboard problem alone that has gone on for months and lenovo is offering no solutions at all. I am sure the review sample they are sending out are just fine but to those buying them in the stores or on lenovo's website should be VERY CAREFUL.
Also check out how many refurbed units lenovo has for sale, people are sending these things back in droves.
Rubi Doo Do you think the OLED version is more risk buying because it is the „first generation“ in Thinkpads and IPS 4K is more safe?
I have a T480 FHD and have trouble with concentration because of the bad display. Either IPS 4K or OLED 4K?
What is the problem?
Thank you! I’ve been dying for reviews of the OLED version of the Lenovo Thinkpad X1 Extreme. Excellent review - first one I’ve seen. Which do you recommend between the Dell XPS 15 with the 4K touchscreen option or the Thinkpad X1 Extreme with the OLED? Do you recommend waiting until the 10th gen H-series processors are released this summer? I’ve heard rumors of an eight-core i7 and ten-core i9. I’m hoping Dell will redesign the XPS or Lenovo will give the Extreme a larger battery. The MacBook Pro may get microLED, which would be outstanding. I’m really excited for next year of tech.
Still holding my breath for that larger battery from Lenovo :'(
3091$
you must be kidding
Great comparison idea. This is exactly what I searched for :-)
I'm not sure how the Oled screen consumes more power since the black pixels are literally off ?!
Anyway you sir are a great tech reviewer 👌
Falko Von idk but apparently it’s uses like double the battery 🔋
It consumes less power for black, but it consumes more power than LCD for white pixels. Since most of the web is white pages, battery life on OLED is worse than LCD.
just checked it out nice but $4200 out of my price range ,not worth the price
It's clear from all of the reviews of these leading laptops that the promise of the 10th Gen processors has been far less than hoped....and OLED exacts a huge price on battery life
I just bought a Lenovo ideapad flex with a 15.6" UHD (3840 x 2160) IPS, VESA HDR + Dolby VisionTM, 500 nits, 72% NTSC. What stylus do you recomend for this screen?
I just returned my X1 Etreme Gen2. In 25 Years this was the biggest nightmare. Sometimes dont charge, Fingerprint reader bad, bad wifi, stuck in booting, display brightness issues, Fan rattling and even with payed onsite support, first thing they ask is to mail it in. I ordered an XPS15 now. I worry, now all manufacturers dont have quality control and leave it to the customer. ThinkPads used to be rock solid. Those times are over. I spend the most money than ever before and got the worst nightmare than ever before.
Hey guys super excited tonight I’m installing the RAM and SSD kits to my X1 and finally unboxing it.
My X1 Extreme Gen 2 (Total Price $2300 CAD, $1770 US)
UHD Screen
I7-9750H
256 SSD Stock
1 TB SSD 970 EVO Samsung $200
8gb Ram Stock
32gb Ram by Samsung $200 CAD
Fingerprint
Backlight
Win Pro.
1 Year Warranty.
I bought Black Friday.
You didn't talk about the possible burned screen.
:c
I think its not wise to buy OLED yet. I would wait for at least one gen.
Any feedback on the 15.6 Lenovo 1080p 300 nits vs 500 nits, color, contrast, sharpness?
Can Gen 2 support video output 7680*2160 by connecting 2 same 4K monitors?
I just ordered mine today and then saw this video - this is fate
Hi Marc! Just the comparison I was waiting for. The only thing you do not mention in your video is reflections on the OLED screen. I am a developer writing lots of code and I have ordered a P1 with the IPS display to avoid reflections, although I prefer the OLED due to the grear blacks, great colors and touch capability. I would really appreciate your comment on the OLED reflections, so I could change my order if it's not a problem. Thanks and happy new year!
It is slightly glossy. Reflections minimal.
Great review as always no doubt you are doing one of the detailed review on TH-cam. Looking forward for Best Tech of 2019 video
Thank you so much for the review Andrew. I ordered the X2EGen2 with the i9 and 4K OLED. Figured I'd try something different. I do a lot of media consumption so figured I'd go with the OLED to see some actual blacks. I can always dock my Thinkpad to hook it up to my NEC IPS 4K monitor if I want IPS. :)
Oh your going to LOVE the OLED, I have a Think Pad X1 OLED from a few generations ago and I wont buy anything BUT OLED now because when you are doing work your eyes NEVER get tired. You will never go back to any other display!. Congrats!..
@@AA-flyguy thanks bro. The laptop arrives jan 14th (already delayed once). Cant wait
IloveBaklava how do you like it?
@@RealNaisuCinema I like it but the colors seem a bit saturated. I do like the way it renders blacks
IloveBaklava can you give me the link you bought it from? Any problems so far? I’m gonna buy one but haven’t settled on exactly what model yet
I just got to know about your channel a few weeks ago and you do an incredibly excellent job!! Congratulations!
If they just allowed you to change ram and have a 15" without a number pad and on a non extreme
I just wonder if you could compare this unit alongside with macbook 16 insh
Why does oled panel give such worse battery life compared to ips?
hI there, I have my p1 gen2 with oled right now, side by side compare with my x1 carbon gen 6, I find significantly shorter key travel on my p1 gen2, that's very disappointing
just wondering do you feel the same on your x1 extreme gen 2 oled
Keyboard has some problems on gen2 apparently.
The X1 Extreme is a good device. The more I see from OLED, the more I think a company needs to come out with a 1080p OLED panel because these 4K OLED battery results have been disappointing. I get that for workstation and desktop replacements, there is an expectation they are supposed to be plugged up. BUT, there is a demand for portable devices that last. Good review.
Yes, I was thinking that too. I have a dell xps 15 oled. When I choose the 1080p resolution, text is still pretty crisp thanks to the great contrast. Surprisingly, it still looks sharper than the 1080p matte display on my 13 inch lenovo ultrabook. Contrast really helps you to perceive text better. Sure 4k looks even better, maybe a 2k-screen would be the sweetspot?
BTW: I get quite decent battery life out of mine. Around 7-8 hours with light productivity - which is enough for my needs.
If they turn this into an X1 Yoga, I would buy today. Upgradable memory and two M.2 slots, just wow. Way ahead of Dell with their decision to solder everything and use a chicklet keyboard.
Has anyone had input lag issues with a mouse? Or has high refresh rate spoiled me
Thanks for the review, Andrew. Can't wait for my P1 to arrive, although I'm a little disappointed with the battery life on the OLED screen, I'm guessing I might be able to get a little bit more as I always have the dark theme on
@@steviegbcool Can you give us a link to proof your information?
Please talk about the thermal perfomance
Question: I had a 2014 MacBook Pro Retina that de-soldered itself, as they're prone to do. It was my first glossy screen computer, bought used last year, and I didn't like it: too many reflections, too much eyestrain. I'm replacing it, not repairing it, so I'm asking if anyone can compare the OLED display in that regard. Photo editing and printing is my most demanding use and I'm not a gamer.
Ergonomically, I'm not really keen on touch on a clamshell laptop. Since the touch circuitry is always active, that's delivering a significant hit to battery life: it's not just OLED. But battery life isn't a major issue for me so I could put up with it.
I'm considering the P53 since maximum portability isn't a concern, it has a number pad, is more expandable, should cool better, and comes in a hair less expensive right now. But thin & light is nice, too.
3:08 I am customizing a new work laptop (P15) and was trying to decide what whether to get the IPS or OLED screen. Thank you so much for this video, it's clear that the OLED, while it has lower "nits", is worth it!!!
i went with the oled because of this video.
Love this laptop except that battery. Still undecided between this or dell xps 15. I am worried about the no usb a ports on the Dell, honestly at home not worried about either of one of these machines it's only on the go. No usb on the Dell and low battery capacity on the lenovo. Would have been cool to have a replaceable battery like the older lenovo's that would have been awesome. Replaceable battery that can also be used as a portable power brick while traveling. Just thinking out loud in this comment. How's everyone doing? 🤙
I was considering buying the X1 Extreme Gen2 with an OLED panel now (May 2020) even though the Gen3 is just around the corner, but after seeing the battery performance of the Gen2, I'm strongly considering waiting for the Gen3 release in hopes it has a better battery life than its predecessor, any thoughts on this?
How can this be HDR500 if it only goes upto 368 nits? Am I understanding the HDR standards incorrectly? OLED does mean deeper blacks, but max brightness is still only 368 nits.
Excellent review Andrew. Exactly what I was looking for. For the on the go photographer, do you recommend the IPS for the quick photo editing? I am a bit worried about the battery on the OLED, but also I don't want to sacrifice the screen quality.
Don't all OLED panels use PWM?
Andrew, need your suggestion!!! Which one should I buy. Please help on this..
HP Spectre x360 13” i5 8th gen 8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD - $730 (New)
MacBook Pro 13” i5 7th gen, 8 GB RAM, 256 GB SSD (2017 Model) -$840 ( Amazon Renewed)
People are saying MAC is free from virus compared to Windows, as it will easily get affected by virus
does anybody know what that Ethernet cable is called? I heard him say breakout ethernet cable but i can't find it online.
Thanks for the comparison! In my opinion the touch function is nice but actually redundant because it is not a fully convertible screen.
How about the oled screen in detail: do you recognize a mesh on the screen. This is the touch layer actually. I worry it would disturb me when doing image and video editing. Unfortunately there is no option to configure a thinkpad with a 4k IPS display. Makes me upset somehow....
I got exactly the same problem on my X1E Gen2 UHD Touch screen (mesh looking layer on the screen). Would be interesting to hear if Andrew Marc David had it on his review unit.
Anyone worried about burn-in is writing from a 2010 Macbook Air
Then I saw the price
Too much talking and written content. No photos and videos of the laptop.
Oooohhhhh swappable ssd
If only it had a standard Ethernet port, instead of using an adaptor dongle (sigh)
Thank you Andrew, I was really looking forward to this particular video and you did not disappoint with your work intensive and feature loaden presentation. I also value the fact that you left out 'background music' for most of the vlog, something that is so annoying, at least for me. If I want to listen to music whilst absorbing interesting narrative, I could turn on the radio. I currently own a T440s and I am still a little worried that the OLED panel might not be all that much brighter than the one on my laptop. You would definitely go for the OLED if you were interested in photo editing and Excel work? Thanks again Andrew and please continue to trust your unaccompanied voice. You are doing great. Any chance on testing the Asus ProArt 17 inch laptop th-cam.com/video/0E0ClF8wQzk/w-d-xo.html (Please ignore the loud music, as I tried to)
I just got my X1 today! I went with UHD because touchscreen is over kill especially for battery and reflections!
price ?
Aneesh Prasobhan I got
i7-9750H
256 SSD
8 GB RAM
UHD
Windows Pro
Bought separately 32 GB RAM exactly same model number as the one Lenovo sells it’s a SamsungDDR4 2666 mHz M471A4G43MB1 $200 Canadian
Bought separately 1 TB SSD 970 EVO by Samsung super fast. $200 Canadian
I paid about $1900 Canadian which is around $1500 US for the base.
Total I paid about $2300 Canadian $1770 US for the X1 with 1.2 TB SSD and 40GB Ram with UHD screen. I hope the 8gb and 32gb work together as they are the same brand and model numbers!
@@kylecooper139 i suggest you guy one more 32GB RAM and make it 64. Because the "Dual channel " system can be used to its full potential if the memory sizes are same. Awesome specs anyhow.
Aneesh Prasobhan I installed the 32 cant afford another 32 but it shows up as 40GB if ram which is great.
So I’ve installed a 1 TB Samsung EVO m.2 SSD. I just popped everything in before my first boot up. Used Samsung magician and I formatted it. Hope I did it correctly what do you think? I didn’t change any boot settings or put windows on it either it’s still on my slightly slower 256 SSD
Kyle Cooper how are you liking it? And did you get the oled or ips screen? Thanks!
Finally LENOVO is listenig people and they are not soldering components... But, What are you doing working today ? Come on, sheers!! Happy new year. BTW, Lenovo comes with new shave machines models in 2020 ( hahah ). Best reviews man.
Thanks and Happy New year to you !
what about burn in issues on oled? any idea?
I have not experienced any burn in so far.
@@andrewmarcdavid others mention battery life is 2.5hr not 4.5 as u mention. Is that true?
Can this play World of Tanks on Ultra
This is a great looking laptop. Well done, great video as usual! Liked, shared, etc,etc,
It has 80wh battery ....still it has less battery life ...why ? is it because of 9th gen processor instead of 10th gen?
There is no H or HK series i7 or i9 intel processor, 10th generation. Only the ultra-low voltage, so for the moment 9th generation is the last for those high-performance laptops. I actually really-really like to see AMD 4000 series mobile chips in those high-end laptops.
display is awesome..
camera is gud too
build looks gud too
Beautiful looking machine.
Just bought a refurb from Lenovo Outlet for $1,358.99! i7-9750H, OLED, 1TB SSD, and 8 GB RAM (I will be upgrading this to 32GB).
If you're thinking about picking one of these up, definitely check out a refurb . . . insane value.
Nice!
From.my experience new thinkpads are too expensive. I only buy refurbed ones.
Sad that the battery life is crappy.
What is the music? 0:00
Thanks for the direct comparisons
Could you test webcam this laptop in low light?
I just watched this again!!!. I LOVE OLED displays... I have them myself and rarely will buy anything else if I need a new machine. I am considering this...
Yes, the OLED is gorgeous
@@andrewmarcdavid It IS, lol. It's very hard to go back to anything else after an OLED
Great video! 👍👍👍
@Andrew Marc David I'm shocked with that 4h battery life and I think you should've mention the following in your video: you've done a great job showing two graphics related to battery life, where in the first one both DELL and HP had significantly better brightness (between 441 and 485) which is normally the culprit of poor battery life on most laptops, where the Lenovo had only 368!
Next, on the second chart you see the logical result: DELL with lower brightness 441 had better battery life than the HP - 8:14, which has 21% bigger battery but 50% more battery life!
All 4k OLED laptops on the market uses the same OLED display from Samsung, so there is no excuse! There is much more for you to investigate - please ask your contact in Lenovo for reason and whether they are going to fix it later via software/firmware?
I am looking into it. I will let everyone know once I speak to Lenovo.
@@andrewmarcdavid Thanks! Another thing, if you still have the opportunity to compare Lenovo with DELL/HP OLED laptops is whether the laptop uses NVIDIA card for browsing web while the laptop is in battery mode or it automatically shuts it down and use only the build-in Intel GPU in the browser. That could be the reason for the poor results - the battery consumption looks similar to what I would expect from this laptop with light gaming, not browsing!
@@JulianBG As far as I read: yes it does. At least I know, that the lenovo uses the nvidia card for the video outputs if you connect it to an external display, whereas the dell xps usses internal graphics for all display-duties. I dont't know if that means that it uses the 1060 for the internal display too though- or maybe you could switch it like in some dell precision models? Idk
@@fzst-ub5xf In that case it is interesting to see what Dell and HP are doing in the same situation. I would expect in battery mode (no external connection to monitor) to use Intel GPU by default. Probably some applications will need explicit access to NVidia GPU (like video editing software). However, I see no way with NVidia GPU turned on, any laptop on the market to manage to get 8h battery life.
Great video! Keep up the good work!
Would you recommend it for industrial design softwares?
Yes
And where is simcard slot?
There is no WWAN on this model.
Oh this display is Awesome!!!
Great
Fantastic!
I was so waiting for this
all that space, couldn't fit a numpad. nice, i guess
MSI GS65 is a year older much cheaper and has much better specks... still available on BestBuy...
You must me joking. Cannot compare MSI to Thinkpad x1 extreme... But it seems last gen has some annoying issues.
Thanks so much for the video! I was trying to make a decision between the 4K IPS and OLED and your video is the only one helpful.
I was surprised to see that the OLED requires much more electricity and bring the battery life completely down. That becomes a dealbreaker for me to not make any purchase this year. With the newer generation of CPU, Graphics card, even USB and thunderbolt connection becoming available, I could easiliy see a major renovation for the gen 4. It'll be even better if lenovo can make something similar with the AMD CPUs and graphic cards.
Hey Marc, can you make a video on Project Athena laptops and/or a video on best powerful 2 in 1 convertible laptop please!!!
Windows Home? Max 1 TB ssd? This laptop isn't as high tech as expected.
Hey was that the 300 nit IPS default display or the upgraded 500 nit IPS panel? The OLED is really expensive config in Australia but the 300 to 500 nit upgrade is $50 AUD which seems good value.
It was the 500 nit 4k IPS display.
Hi, Andrew. Thanks for the review. I got my P1 Gen 2 with 4K OLED for about a month now. But have one annoying issue, the screen keeps dim itself when I watch video online. I searched everywhere but had no luck to figure out. Could you help?
It looks like it's trying to save some power, but it did this even when plugged in. Have tried every solution.
Let me look at my unit and let you know
I just got mine and it does the same. check your lenovo app and the windows app to see if they are "fighting" for display settings. I found the lenovo one dimmed at 5 min and the windows at 15 so they fought and sometimes it would dim early. Adding a red light filter from either did the same. I switched to only using the windows settings and it has been better
@@brock9485 which app are you referring to?
@@brock9485 looks like it's in Lenovo Vantage App there is a display settings with several dimmer settings
Great honest review... I am so on the edge because of the battery but everything else looks perfect ... Not even worried about finger prints LOL