Lego Knows This Set Will Fail | That's Good!!!
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- The new Liebherr Crawler Crane LR 13000 (set 42146) is coming out on August 1. It's massive size is only outdone by its more than massive price tag ($700). There's no chance that this set will do well while it's on store shelves, but we're here to argue that's a good thing. Watch to find out why.
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I actually run a Liebherr LR 1110 and would love to have this set but it’s hard to justify spending $700 on this.
The lr 1110 has the new cab right ?
How many exist would you recon?
I'd expect they would get blokes like you to test the toy out.
You can get it a lot cheaper than Lego store price. Ok not as many bricks but they are a lot bigger bricks used.
It's got me stumped why Liebherr would put their name on this thing it is nothing close to the actual real crane?!?
I can make a good guess tho. This set might not look like the real thing but it is safe. Lego could have made a realistic crane with an adjustable counterweight and long realistic booms and jib. Problem is one I encountered with a crane I build myself, the load dropped and the whole crane turned into a trebuchet. I could have gotten the hook in my face and lost an eye. Not something Lego wants to sell or Liebherr wants to be associated with. A 'safe' is something else.
I got $700 to spend on this and i did! And cant wait to build it!
Well, let's stay positive and hope this set doesn't fail. We had to wait a whole year extra for it to come out, so it would really suck if that wait was a waste of time.
I want this but not at £579.99. However, I do think you'll see it drop dramatically and I'll definitely be keeping my eyes peeled for when it does. If it drops enough, I'll swoop!
I agree 100%, I too want it, but £579.99?, I'll also be keeping an eye on it too see if drops in price enough to add to my collection.
I got mine a few weeks ago from Smyths for just £399.99. £180 off!
This set is huge but sadly the scales are completely off. The vehicle part is too big and the crane part is way too short.
It looks perfectly fine in the flesh. I got mine a few weeks ago
I like the idea of the set, but I want LEGO to make more small-scale motorized sets like the blue crawler crane released some years ago.
I’m planning on going two of these sets, I have purchased all the other technic cranes, also I am not sure anyone remembers that this set is actually a rerelease, the first rerelease did not have the control+ hub, also the new motors and control hub that are included in the set are sure to make it one of the best motorised sets in it’s size category, sure the bucket wheel excavator was a fun filled, but after about two days of using it motor burnt out and the set was ridiculously slow
Really keen on this set when first announced, but the very short/small jib looks not good. Yes they had to do modifications but to cut its height down and charge over local AUD $1,015 no chance. Cheers.
Good point - I forgot about the reduced height. I feel bad for you Aussie Lego fans; it always seems like your prices are particularly rough for these big sets.
@@buildingtogether4171 Unfortunately our $ doesn’t stand that well against most other currencies. Granted there is a good deal of research done on this set and it’s well made, but not for me. Cheers.
The 42313 CAT bulldozer was also very expensive when it came our. But here in Denmark you can now buy it whit a 30% discount. I think the same will happen to the Liebherr crane.
cat dozer was still cheaper than this while having 1000 more pieces.
Great video. From other videos I've seen on this set the counterweights are useless. They don't have enough counterweight to support the model when lifting even light objects when the boom is extended outwards. Here in Australia, the set costs $1049.99 and I didn't even realize the set had been released as it was never advertised and I only noticed it as someone had posted their finished model on Facebook. Plus the scale doesn't look right, the boom looks too short and the end of the boom looks weird as if it's not finished off properly. Also, I think they should have used the Cattapilar Tracks from the 42131 bulldozer
Was $1100 at Toyworld in Australia..
Got mine on the 7th 😊
$1100? Whoa.
I think it's possible to buy this set with a good price ,you have to wait until it reaches that price
this are really sneaky moves, double the price so a 50% sale make you think you did a bargain when THAT should be the retail price and ITS sale the bargain
It was the last week through in Germany...... you could get it for 469€ and just risen to 495€. Still 180€ cheaper than at Lego directly.
This thing will be a success. Because it does really work well.
I just need a review if it to make my mind up whether it will be a day 1 pick up or wait until it goes on a massive discount.
For 700 I would say it is a set to wait for
It's already at 20% discount at many places online
I got mine a few weeks ago, down from £580 to £400
Very interesting take on the matter. Thank you for your input.
It's been on the shelves for a good two weeks now and to my knowledge we have only sold one until now at the LEGO store Amsterdam...
That's so interesting!
I bought the zetros trail truck brand new for less than half price, I assume because that was a failure too. So I will only buy this set when it is half price which won't be long I'm guessing.
Lego isn't a low-income hobby. Most Lego YTers are sitting one almost half a million or more USD in Lego. BrickTsar (for example) isn't even part of the LAN, yet has hundreds of thousands in Lego (he has over 1600 of the same set).
True, and that's something I think about quite a bit (now that we have a YT channel). There's always the pressure to buy more and more Lego for the channel, but then you end up with some sets you end up not liking very much. But in collecting, and building with, Lego for 35 years, there are definitely sets that represent good value across the various price ranges. This is not one of them!
This is why Mould King exist
You can't tell me 200 bucks are spent on paper weights...
Imagine how many literal bricks you can buy with that.
Not lego bricks. I mean actual bricks.
If Lego arn't careful they will start producing sets that are made up of 5 HUGE pieces that clip together like a "normal" kids toy. I was surprised at the new big yellow and grey pieces that could have been built using existing parts instead of yet more new tooling adding to the price of the set.
This! I am so disappointed in this set for this reason. I want to build the boom, part by part. Not click, click and 15 min later I have a big boom.
It would be great to release a version without the motorized elements. I'm not a Technic fan, but that might increase the potential buyer base. But I know that's just not an option for Lego
Most non-motorized sets do not sell as well as those that are motorized because they often either a) do not have as many functions or b) require more effort to operate, which detracts from the quality of the product for some consumers. Additionally, they actually use more pieces than motorized sets because they require longer driveshafts to knobs on the outside of the model for control, versus connecting a shorter axle directly to a motor.
I am going to buy this crane when it comes out. I love technicz
wow, great video❣I just found this channel 😁
Welcome!! Thanks!
As a technic fan, I would buy this set if it is convincing. But for me the fascination comes from the technic. Like the 42055 excavator that drives everything from one motor. This set was really on the edge and the mechanic has recently given up, because my nephew played too much with it, but it was great technic. And putting 5-7 motors into a big plastic set is actually boring. Due to the limiting factors of lego, like plastic gears and not enough power for the motors, it is not really that much fun to play with these big sets. Mould king has done it much better.
Mould king does what better?
@@snipingwes The relation between model size and motors. it is more playable. e.g. have a look to the 13112, which is very lightweight and packed with motors.
I dont think I would consider the galaxy explorer as a "success"...
Walmart exclusive that was always on sale for 25-50% off... using rakuten sign up bonus I literally got 2 for 50 bucks plus tax
Expected it to retire early? The limited set in the market that will bring up the resale value? I am a Technic fan but this is way too expensive
That's a good question. I wonder how sales affect shelf-life in the negative direction. I know that strong sales can keep a set on the shelf for a long time (Assembly Square, Parisian Restaurant), but do they retire sets earlier than plan if they don't sell? Or do they just make the original run (or 2) available until they sell out?
I bet you are a super Lego expert and to be completely honest, this is the first video I have seen from you, but from an engineering perspective and as a technic fan (that's the only sets that I have) I don't think you really you understand how awesome this set is. I get your point about the 700 US, it's overpriced; even more for a person like me where lives in a country where the dollar has way more value that the local currency. That being said, I would recommend that you to understand first the engineering behind this and from my perspective of the value of having this in scale. Are you aware of the different (real) configurations of this crane and the massive weights it can handle?. The cost per brick or due to the weight just made me lose the interest in this video...is just BAH!, next!
its mind boggling 900 in canada.... that's before tax
My personal theory concerning the liebherr. Lego wanted to release it last year. Then there were problems to reach a certain length of the crane. The redesign of the crane is surely a main cost factor. But in the end the crane will fail anyway. 700$ or 680€. For that money i would always buy the lego titanic. When the titanic gets EOL, the price for titanic will go trough the roof. Ok. My personal thoughts. And another big problem. The liebherr is controlled by an app device. And what about in ten Years… 😊 keep up the good work.
it´s a company. if they can make any profit on a set it´s better than not sell it. weight equals shipping cost; then you add in marketing and production ( which should be way under a 100 USD as you can see with all the KOs ). when they don´t release sets like indy´s temple of doom it´s more about other issues like violence, depiction of india, doom and gloom atmosphere
To me it is a niche set. Not sure how many it would sell at the original price. Would guess that Lego will put out items that appeal to certain collectors. The amount of money I spend on pick a brick and vintage sets is mind blowing. I can’t wait to watch videos on this and the log skidder.
I think you hit the nail on the head. To me, spending hundreds on say the Disney castle or the Ninjago village isn't worth it. But when the Titanic came out, I couldn't spend money fast enough. I'm a construction worker and this thing is right up my alley. I won't be buying it right away but definitely soon.
This set won't be a success for the company. Whether it will be a success with fans will depend on how much the price will drop.
I'd love to get my hands on this, but it would have to drop to €400, and the parts for extending the boom would have to be available because, as others have said, the proportions are kinds comical.
Exactly. There is a price where fans would buy it, but $700 is not it. It's not my cup of tea (I like Technic, just never got into it), so the price would have to be lower than for some.
I am a liebherr fan but unlike the R9800 which is very realistic, the lr13000 isn’t looking close enough to the real one. Main points are the tracks and counterweights.
I think there is a big difference between Liebherr and, say, Disney. For Disney I know they have to pay Disney for the rights to release the sets. For Liebherr or even BMW I think they should see it as promotional for their brand, so I expect a better price. Supercar manufacturers are a different story, but should still mostly be seen as brand promotion - if you ask me (and why would you?).
It definitely could be brand promotion, and I admit I don't know the details of the agreement. But I also know that brands don't just lend out their likeness and clout for nothing. Even if it is a mutually beneficial arrangement, Lego is likely paying some amount (even if it's much smaller than Disney/Marvel/DC/etc) for the rights to use their name to sell a set.
I think its life on the shelves will be very short.
I'm curious to see how long it's available. I'm sure it depends on how many they produced. Maybe they just keep it on the shelves as long as those are available?
Pronto vamos hacer una hipoteca para comprar un set lego,un saludo buen vídeo ‼️👍
Ha! Gracias!
I would've bought this set if it were a classic technic set like I was craving. I wanted a technic gear box with all the fun of building it. However, with the lame Bluetooth controls, it's just not worth it.
Its funny, hey when you don't buy this technic set,. you can buy these sets (completely non technic sets) Although they are fun, I also like rivendell a lot, but I won't chip out 700 euro's on those sets. I do am into technic a lot. For me I bought this set on pre sale, will get it someday after aug 1 for a discounted price and hope it will be great.
That's definitely a plan! I'm just wondering when and how much it will be discounted. And at which price Technic fans (such as yourself) reconsider the set.
@@buildingtogether4171 Already bought it regretfully now at a discounted price, because I saw it already lower at an other store, E 543 is pre sales price there
@@buildingtogether4171 By the way, I once also bought a set at lego for a discounted pre sale price but on the date of release i didn't get it, took them about 2 weeks to deliver. In the mean time my normal supplier had it already for a cheaper price and on stock so it would have been delivered sooner and cheaper. But its difficult to decide if you buy a set on release or wait till the price drops with a risk the set will be outsold constantly.
I hate to kill the mood but I'm gonna argue your opinion. The forth of July (my first critique) is not celebrated world wide, nor is the defect called the NFL. The world is not only the United States. So while yes it MIGHT fail, so too will the CAT D11. Not everyone is gonna buy the two sets you mentioned. yes you might be sacrificing purchasing power but (my second critique) is that not everyone shares the same interests. For $700 I can get two 1:300 scale warships from COBI, both are over 2,000 pieces (The exclusive Iowa set, and the exclusive Yamato set for those who want specifics), or 10 from Tamiya, Revell, Fujimi, etc. when it comes to buying from LEGO directly, they HARDLY make sets I like. They stopped making decent trucks from the City line a few years back, and only release a handful of Speed Champion cars (one or two I may actually get in a given release if at all) a year. I am already at a net-negative ordering from Lego directly because of my interests, and secondly I don't think it will fail as much because (critique three) there are ALOT of construction equipment fans out there. Nobody (as far as I'm aware) has a model of the LR 13000 crane for sale except for Lego at the time of writing this, this is in contrast with the Liebherr mining excavator, and CAT D11, where both are made as die-cast models in various scales. (Critique four) With how big Lego is, you gotta think BIGGER than the red box with the friendly letters. Lego made the Triple E class, and not many lego fans got it, but those who are into ship models outside of Lego DID, and by ALOT. Lego's Titanic only succeeded because Cobi is known for military models, otherwise the lesser detailed, but more easily displayable 1:300 scale Titanic would have wiped the floor with Lego's rendition, and that's also ON TOP of the plastic modeling community. I tend to see Lego as a bit of a bridge between what's available, and what is not. Lego offers what many wont, but what Lego wont, others do. While yes it will fail the Lego community, I think it will succeed if you look bigger. Someone did the first model (I'm aware of), and it happens to be Lego, now to see if the LR 13000 becomes a die-cast 1:50 scale model, and a highly detailed one at that.
Can't wait to grab this!! Aug 1st for me, I'll be in line before the store opens, getting 9 other new sets also. Good thing I have the week off from work!!
Bros rich
I am saving my money for the UCS venator, and I half expect it to get a price bump to $700 as well
Youll most likely be the only one in line for this set. Its just too expensive for what you get. Though I must admit it is pretty cool.
nice one
If you can just wait a bit longer, you'll likely be able to get it for 30-40% off.
The only one buying that set is the CEO of liebherr...if lego ceo hasn't gifted him or her that set at the lodge already. >< lol
I don't think this Lego Technic Set 42146 will "bomb" -- it makes a GREAT parts pack to supply 40 ea. new, braced Technic Frames and 6 ea. Control+ motors. I can see people making draw bridges out of these pieces, after they're finished building the crane. Considering that the huge, $680 USD Lego Titanic Set 10294 will just sit on a shelf, the playability of the Liebherr Crane is much greater.
That's true, but the fairly new PAB option on the Lego site means it's more viable to just order the parts you want by themselves without needing to shell out all that money for a set with parts you don't want. The only reason to buy the set for parts is because you don't have to wait a month for the non-bestseller elements to get to you
not to mention its not even what the real one looks like ,you would have to go out and get more parts to make it look more accurate
I personally want it to release already so I could buy it
Enjoy it! It looks impressive, but just way too expensive for me.
I know the guy who is selling them for 450euro in my region, I guess I am going to pick one :))
I have this and I think this’s great
Blasphemy!!!😂😂 Yes the Moneky Kid sets and the new Dreamzzz are the types of Legos that bring in future buyers... think of Ninjago.
maybe the main market for this set is not north america...
I don't care if it's a success or not I wish I could have one
It's amazing! Great building experience
You are way overestimating the impact of piece weight.
1 kg of ABS granulate costs like $2 on average. Raw material costs are maybe like 1% of the total set price.
Maybe, but it's still better than using price per piece, which is not rooted in any valid measure of "value" (given the discrepancy in piece size). Obviously, there are other factors, such as licensing, time spent in development, etc. However, I do recall seeing an analysis on one site (Brickset, TBB, or some such site) from years ago that examined the correlation between price and weight versus that of price and piece count. The price-weight correlation was much stronger.
This guy doesn't understand technic buyers or the value of a set like this. The individual pieces are massive to build the columns and sheer size of the model, advanced functions, and expensive pieces like numerous motors and counterweights are very specialized, including the app to use this all. If this guy wants to go play with castles, police sets and ninjago instead, go for it. This set will not be the failure he says it will be.
Sorry, but the only failure here is your analysis.
Firstly your comment about the counterweights is so far off. Counterweights are as elementary to a crane as its boom is. Do you really think they quickly developed the weights because - surprise surprise - the crane fell over without them??, and they surely aren't responsible for the price increase. The mistake you made is common among most reviewers, because they don't know anything about marketing, sales, and business in general. Lego has a small army of specialist who exactly determine how much a product will cost, and believe me, material costs are just minor part in this calculation. Prices normally reflect the demand. Secondly, a high price makes product more exclusive and thus more desirable. Lego already won because of the massive coverage of this set receives around the net.
My prediction is that these sets will fly off the shelves, and for those who aren't willing to pay the MSRP, just wait 2 years, and buy it 40% off.
I haven't been up on this set, but didn't it get delayed with a big price increase from it's original leaked price? If so, do you know what the reason was?
@@SusanGaskin No, I don't. I think the inflation over the last year is too blame partly I guess. They will use it as an excuse for sure.
There is a whole other angle to the counterweight/size thing. I once built a 'right' sized crane with lego and started fooling around with weights and counterweights. Long story short, the load slipped, turned the crane into a trebuchet and sent the hook flying. With some bad luck I could have gotten that hook in my face. Not something Lego is going to sell. But it makes for a clunky crane.
I thought it was going to look better than this.
It looks amazing in the flesh
It will do well because technic people will love it and it’s a huge flipping crane who would not want it?
People who don't want to spend $1000 on 2800 pieces because of the motorized gimmick that vast majority of people will play with a couple times then leave it as a static display piece
@@Gameprojordan NGL price is steep but I still want it.
700 bucks....
You can buy TWO new Nintendo Switches with that kind of money.
wait, what? 200$ increase just because of some weights? They easily could have used the 2x6x2 weight bricks from the 80s. At 55g 15-20 of these would have done the job and even would have looked more realistic as they already are roughly the same shape as the real, concrete ones. *facepalm*
I think its pretty cool LEGO is making these large extravagant sets, but I do not really know who this is for. Its scale is beyond LEGO city collectors. And for a Major crane enthusiast for the price I would think you could get something made out of metal that could lift much heavier things and work much better as a remote control model. If it were not for LEGO building big I likely would not have gotten the Lions knight castle, which is my first set bought in over 25 years.... I think it is the best thing they ever created in terms of beauty, scale, play ability and fun for all ages. I really like the El dorado fortress too, but the problem is that it is so similar to my original one I have Its hard to justify the cost for it, even though had I not my old set would be a must buy.... but could be regrettable later if LEGO does more with these classic lines.... which I would like them to release a full schedule for knights and pirates.
Interesting video! This is not the set for me, but I'm always happy to see that when it comes to Lego, there is something for everyone and every taste. There have definitely been some overpriced flops lately like the massive Hulk Buster and the mega Black Panther bust. I agree that this one also looks like it will flop, not because it's not cool looking, but due to the massive high price point and therefore has a very limited market. Like the other two sets mentioned, if fans of it can just hold off a bit, they'll likely be able to get it for 30-40% off.
I think that for technic fans the difficulty will be to wait the discounts period. This set is for sure amazing and a great piece for the collection. Though displaying it could be problematic.. The price maybe make sense to lego since it is complicated and loaded with expensive parts, both plastic and electronics.
But I think lego need to think about re-evaluating their prices. Not all of us Lego fans are wealthy. Lego was always expensive.. but now it seems they don't care. At least the prices in my country were reduced after a more formal import was established last year. Before that we paid 30-60% more than europe or us.
Folk buying huge technic sets like this aren't buying stuff like the lego Riverdale set....they just arent. Its a different fan base. This set is for those that bought the CAT Bulldozer and the Liebherr excavator. And I imagine Lego know exactly how many they'll shift based closely on the sales of those units. Beware of holding out for a discount as I imagine lego will shift a very limited inventory of these. I know I would if I was lego....
Incorrect, at least for me. Can't wait for this crane and I have Rivendell, Modulars, CatD11, Star Wars, Big tech cars, most brickheads, plenty of other themes. But I do get what your saying.
Some advice for you; this video was overly drawn out and was so slow to get to the point, and also seemed too rehearsed.
its cost to much for what you get.I will not buy it and I love big cranes.
It’s gonna be a failure imho.
Think it's going to fail.
Is everyone ignoring how this is one of the most technical sets ever?
Threading the 12 metres of string was challenging!
hi
Liebherr is pronounced more like “Lee-Bear”. Crane guys collect all different types of crane models and they will appreciate this one. The guys who don’t like it probably aren’t crane guys.
Such an expensive set. Definitely over priced
This set is a joke.
In two words, Its rubbish!
To be fair, it looks impressive and is likely a brilliant piece of Lego construction (at least, according to some reviews I've seen trickle out). But, yeah, for that price, it's a fail.