Footy In The Capital
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 31 ต.ค. 2023
- The AFL has expanded over the years, entering into all possible markets in the east and south of Australia...except for one. The nation's capital has long been neglected, and left abandoned by the football powers that be. In this video, The GAZ-man goes on location to tell the story of Footy In The Capital, and whether they actually should get the 20th Licence.
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Fascinating stuff Gaz. Would love to see a similar video about footy in the NT and the potential for them to be the 20th license.
7:13 Cannons actually made the NBL's first Grand Final in 1979, lost by a point to the um, St Kilda Saints.
Those St Kilda Saints also won in 1980 against the West Adelaide Bearcats and decided to play in the Club World Cup rather than play finals in 1981, they never won a single finals game again. Eventually, they changed their name to Westside (in 87), then Southern Melbourne (in 1991), then merged with Eastside to form South East Melbourne (in 92) who won a couple titles, then merged with North Melbourne to become Victoria (in 98) then folded in 2004.
The Cannons on the other hand moved to Newcastle in 2003 (after winning a few titles in the 80s) to become the Hunter Pirates, who were bought out by a Singapore consortium and moved to Singapore in 06 to become the Singapore Slingers, they still exist I guess but they're playing in the ASEAN league now.
I love everything about this story!
NBL team history is so fascinating, especially in that 1980s and 1990s period.
Remember being at The Palace in the late 80s when the Cannons were on fire. Great times.
Another excellent video from your good self. Whenever I see a new video of yours in my feed, I know I’m going to enjoy it!
Thanks! Really glad the content has been enjoyable!
Fantastic video man. Well done. It would be great if there were a team in Canberra someday in the AFL.
For mine, there simply has to be a team properly based in the nation's capital, for all major sports.
The fact that the AFL doesn't have one, despite adding 7 teams in the last 35 years, still blows my mind.
As a kid playing all codes in the early 80s, the senior AFL competition was much bigger locally than the soccer, league or union comps. Saw plans from one consortium to do up the stadium. Was gutted when it didn’t happen a few times. Then the Raiders had some success, as did the Brumbies in the expanded union comp, and it was all over. 😢
Excellent video Gaz.
But is the NT really a better option than Canberra? I’m sceptical
But give us that video so we can find out why.
Keep it up mate
It's probably not a better option, but I figure that if you're making a new team from scratch, a clean slate in the NT might open up more opportunities.
Financially and logistically, Canberra does make far more sense - but the fact we may have to choose between them really sucks.
@@thegaz-manYeh. After your video it would make sense to constrain GWS to just western syd, move NM to Canberra and create a new team in the NT. 20 teams, the whole country.
I just worry about the NT team. Retaining players and gaining members and crowds will be difficult
Great stuff...yet again. Given the talent base that exists in the Northern Territory and the ACT you would think that one of these two would have received a license before the sporting graveyard that is the Gold Coast.
Sadly I think Demetriou was more obsessed with upsetting the NRL rather than the AFL's core talent markets
Raiders were officially in Queanbeyan (NSW) until 1989, the hone games were moved to Bruce (GIO) Stadium in 1990. The first Rugby League team to play in the then NSWRL outside of NSW was actually the Brisbane Broncos in 1988. Ironically in 1988 a VFL team called Brisbane played on the Gold Coast and the NSWRL team called the Gold Coast played in NSW at Tweed Heads, the 1980's were crazy times 😂
Yeah it was a bit mad!!! In my Curse of the Gold Coast video I did touch on the weirdness of the Bears and Seagulls, really bizarre situation there
Great video as always! I should add that the ACT defeated Victoria by 13 points in front of over 10,000 at Manuka Oval in 1980.
Granted it was Victoria’s C side, but the Vics did have players like Barker, Turner, Blight, Neagle, Maclure, Dipper, Bourke etc. The ACT side had a lot of players that never played in the VFL, but did have Kevin ‘Cowboy’ Neale as captain-coach, along with Alex Jesaulenko, Ian Low and Paul Feltham.
This win was certainly one of the ACT’s greatest footy achievements, if not the greatest.
I remember reading that Neale became a legend in the ACT, guiding Ainslie to multiple flags pretty much by himself
I must admit I neglected to add the ACT's State of Origin history.
Yes, I played for Eastlske for years as a teenager when Ainslie were ruling the roost under ‘Cowboy Neale’.
Yes please.
There's been a first grade RL team there since '82. Not sure why they don't have one. It's certainly a big enough city
If the Raiders have managed to stay not only viable, but moderately successful, an AFL team absolutely would succeed.
@@thegaz-man not moderately successful but very successful. They won 3 GFs first in '89
As a Raiders fan since about '08, I couldn't bring myself to say 'very' 😅😅
They're a lot like my Crows - they won some flags in the 90s, haven't been bad since, but have only had one (squandered) chance at the big time.
At least we're not the Tigers haha
@@thegaz-man I'm old enough to remember the Meninga, Daley and Stuart days
As a local, we want a team here to call our own badly...
Canberra's always thoroughly deserved a team imo
How we don't have a team from the capital in our biggest sport is crazy
It’s almost like the people in charge of Aussie Rules did everything they could to purposefully neglect the ACT
Almost like they only prioritise big markets outside their reach
Not adding an ACT side in the 1980s was a huge fumble by the AFL
unexpected npb mention at the start we love to see it gaz
Loved playing The Bigs 2 as a kid with the NPB alongside the MLB.
Up the Tokyo Yakult Swallows, named for the city of Tokyo and instructions for taking Yakult.
North Melbourne should’ve relocated there years ago
It definitely would have made sense - especially if they linked up with the AIS.
Canberra Kangaroos really makes sense. Would have had primo access to a big wave of recent ACT talent too
@@thegaz-man The Canberra Kangaroos has a good ring to it, since the kangaroo is the national animal and they would be playing in the capital
Yes, Canberra Kangaroos does sound good, even before you add in the capital city-national animal connection. Always thought the gold and deep royal blue sports colours of the ACT looked good. Perhaps they could turn the vertical white stripes gold. 😂
Nice video.
Some feedback, the audio could use a bit of improvement.
Thanks!
Yeah, the audio is something I've been struggling with for a while, especially the bits I'm having to record in my tiny, echoey apartment.
Hoping to do an audio editing course or something when I find the time.
@@thegaz-man glad to hear that, you're clearly talented all around
Ahhh thanks, not sure if I'd go that far though haha
Always thought Canberra was a realistic relocation city to the North Melbourne Kangaroos maybe call them the Canberra Roos.
Very nearly happened, too. I'd hate to see the Vic fans lose their team but logically it would make so much sense for the Roos to go to ACT.
Yes I've been keen on Canberroos. They should be pulling their weight, at least in Melbourne and servicing the high immigrant outer suburbs.
NT video would be great
Thank saying Adelaide was luring 1997 and 1998
It’s stiff to not include NT & Canberra. Another VIC club has to move 😂
Hard to call it a national league when the captial city is renting a team from Sydney
You had me excited until you brought up the NT comparison. Canberra has four times the population of Darwin and is right next to the Riverina!
I get your point about Canberra being more suited for a relocation than the NT, but a relocation could be decades away. We can't wait that long for Victorian scraps. Besides, it could take that long before an NT team would even be viable.
I'd hate to see Canberra miss out on a team, they've not only earned one but been promised one.
Darwin though have shown that they can get 8-10 thousand to games, even with games hosted by a team based 3,000km away. The infrastructure to set up a team would take a while compared to Canberra, absolutely, and I totally respect that the ACT has already been served Victorian food with a 'made in Canberra' sticker on it. I just feel that NT needs a new team over a relocation more than Canberra.
If CAN get the 20th licence, I will still jump for joy, though.
@@thegaz-man I get that if a relocation and expansion were both on the table, Canberra makes more sense for the relocation. And I'd happily support a relocated team.
But if there's no appetite for relocation, and we miss out on Team 20, I'll be a bit bitter.
If there's only room for one, Canberra makes the most sense.
North Melbourne will never relocate to Canberra, despite their poor on field performances over the last 4/5 years they are a profitable club and are on the verge of having a major upgrade to their Arden Street facilities over the next few years. Paupers they may have been, but paupers they are no longer.
Hopefully they can build themselves a solid foundation and continue growing from here - they've got a good core of youngsters and a great coach so they should be back up to speed before too long, hopefully.
Western Province is from Cape Town, that's not the capitol, but yeah I get it.
Yeah, got a bit confused by the multi capitol system there for sure. Glad the intent still came across.
My ex boyfriend had an uncle who was a legend in Canberra footy
Nice! Who'd he play for?
@@thegaz-man Belconnen
The Blues, before they merged with West Canberra (Collingwood colours) to be the magpies.
About to get to 1k
Exciting times for sure!
Need another 5 teams and then it can be 22 rounds (play each over once), but to do that will require double our current population.
I agree that fair fixturing needs each team playing each other only once, rotating home games each year. Also agree that we're probably not ready for a 22 team AFL, unless we can get a team based in say NZ where there's a huge catchment pool.
@@thegaz-man Crows fans think alike.
You have to come to Perth and talk about the third team..Get GAZ-MAN to fly you there. Options include Joondalup, Mandurah and SouthWest. I doubt the Swan Valley. There are a few issues. Joondalup (would be known as West Perth) have a parochial fan base, but the glory days of WAFL are well over and most people parochial about WAFL are aged 55 plus... So calling a team West Perth in Joondalup makes sense, but don't rely too much on WP fanatics jumping on board. Also there are a lot of poms and Springboks up there, so you'd need to develop a loyal fan base. Then you have Mandurah - Peel which is a fast growing region. But Mandurah is a sleepy town and doesn't get anyone much to their WAFL games. It loves footy, but they don't go to see footy. Also its 70km from Perth and optus stadium which would affect crowds. Plus it may hurt Freo's membership. Then you can choose South West Peel. Hae a team that combines Mandurah and Bunbury / Busselton. That would have a fan base. But problem is that it would still be different for Bunbury and Busselton people to travel to Perth and Mandurah. Everyone would drive to the game pretty much.
Honestly would love to do an on location thing out West, they get overlooked far too much when talking about footy history (including in this series, I'll be honest).
@@thegaz-man Joondalup or Mandurah or South West (Bunbury) are the obvious ones. Duffield on SEN spoke about a preference for South west last week. But I fee he had the stats of population a bit out. Anyway its all online.
@@thegaz-man The third team would be regional based, unlikely to be club based. West PErth playing at Joondalup may have slight chance, but now WAFL is pretty much gone with everyone just following AFL sides and only guys 50 upwards having a WAFL team they sort of follow...
Ankley Tricolours would need new colours all together because Saint Kilda already had colours and if Ankley Tricolours and Saint Kilda have same colours that’s mean Port ADL can we’re black n white protein bars in the AFL
True, would hate to see a club have to change their identity to compete
9:35 one hell of a tangent wtf geoffrey
He lost his medical license for consulting with a hitman too - absolutely wild.
Also, Jason Alexander (he of George Costanza fame) didn't know either of the Edelstens before they asked him to narrate their wedding.
Such a weird guy haha
Poor Bruce
At least Bruce still lives on
Although I'd imagine that being a stadium that hosts the Raiders had the same vibes as walking around in really heavy shoes.
Great video
although Port Adelaide are one club
Thanks
I love to joke about the Magpies/Power but the truth is I'd hate to see them leave the SANFL. Even as a Crows fan, I recognise the Magpies are critically important to SA footy.
@@thegaz-man You're not wrong. I would like to see a video about Norwood if they could get the 20th license
Canberra Kangaroos have a nice ring to it, then you can have a new team in NT
The name just sounds super Aussie, which I think will really increase their global and casual appeal.
I'd hate to see Melb-based fans torn away from their team but the AFL doesn't need 8 Melbourne sides
@@thegaz-man North Melbourne fans losing their team would be tough them, all 15,000 of them...
Northern Territory doesn't deserve a team. Its not even a consideration. They would have to be propped up with the wealthy clubs members paying for Tassie GWS Sydney Brisbane Suns Port Melb Bulldogs Saints and Northern Territory. Its not feasible and not fair. Much of their tickets at games are freebies for locals. Will fans really pay to go week in and week out. I can't see it. Plus they will need to have fans happy to pay $150 a ticket each week. I can't see it. Basically the whole stadium will be general admission.
They've already got two AFL-standard stadiums, as well as a passionate set of fans and a history of producing elite talent. I think they're certainly a more valid option than either of the 2010s expansion sides (as much as I love the Giants), and they may not cost as much as a Sydney team to prop up.
@@thegaz-man Passionate set of fans.!!!.. I think you need a bit more than that. What happens when you don't want to give away freebies to get people into games. How many will actually pay to go, and even then they will pay $25 max and that's it. Whereas at other grounds people are paying $60 to $200 a game. Members of wealthy clubs are propping up more and more teams. Its unfair and not sustainable and its not gonna happen.
@@thegaz-man History of producing elite talent. I can count ten at absolute max. Meanwhile if you look at the noongars they're consistently produced the best footballers. And guess what? They are in the south west. So according to your reasoning the south west of WA, be it based in Perth Mandurah or Bunbury must be the location. Because so many players have been produced. Or if you want to look at the most productive zone in Australia, its clearly Geraldton on a per capita basis. But I'm not calling for a team there.
@@thegaz-man Disagree with your comments about the teams in Sydney and Gold Coast, as having a match in Qld and NSW each week and two matches to broadcast brings a significant amount of money to the game through TV royalties. Plus it grows the game at a time that Rugby Union is struggling and kids are turning to soccer. AFL is very smart to increase their area. Plus so many Victorians are fleeing from Victoria into non AFL areas, its vitally important for the AFL to be in those areas, or you'll lose the fans and their families for ever. Meanwhile new immigrants are moving to Melbourne with zero interest in AFL. That is a massive error of judgement in Victoria not to force the beggar clubs like North and Bulldogs to step up and service those communities. They are propped up by the AFL, so ethically they need to produce some value for money by growing the game in the fringe multicultural suburbs.
Your immigration/Victorians moving argument is a strange one, I'd like to see the numbers behind that one.
While I agree that the current club funding model is unsustainable, susceptible to economic factors and somewhat uneven, any new team will require significant funding.
As for talent, without a team to call its own (to help foster local talent, as has happened in Sydney and QLD which has significantly increased numbers of talented juniors), the NT has produced/raised 5 Norm Smith Medallists and no less than nine Premiership winners, just within the last 25 years, which for the population base is a remarkable rate, not to mention some of the most exciting and talented players ever seen. Establishing proper pathways in this area will only boost these numbers further, in addition to creating more opportunities for young Indigenous players to enter the game.
I get that a lot of country areas have also produced talent at high rates, but the argument for putting football teams there is facetious compared to consistently ignoring a major city, and a state with two ready-made, AFL-quality stadiums ready to be used, which cuts down significantly on the amount of funding required.
Admission price is also an odd argument, especially as the NT regularly has crowd numbers that are pretty close to GWS even without their own team to support.
There are large logistical issues and cultural factors that would need to be addressed for the NT to be viable, I get that. However, I feel they are more deserving of a team, especially with their high percentage of people playing Aussie rules at local levels, than another expansion over the Barassi line, or a third team in already saturated markets.
The main readon is because the act is so boring, when adding new teams the afl keeps falling asleep
🤣🤣🤣 I do love Canberra but gee, it makes Adelaide look like Las Vegas