A League Of Their Own
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 13 ก.พ. 2024
- Before the AFL, there was the VFL - but before that, there was the VFA, the first football league in Victoria. The VFA was what the football world needed - a central organising body - but it was loose, mismanaged at times, and created a dual-class system where rich teams poached players from poor ones. It was only a matter of time before these rich, successful teams grew tired of the mere mortals at their feet, and longed for new pastures.
In this 9-part series, the GAZ-man explores the full history of how the AFL came to be the massive empire it is today. Part 2 covers the time period from 1876 to 1907 - the creation of the VFA, and how its powerbrokers seceded from it to form the VFL.
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This is the best channel on TH-cam, always wanted Jon Bois and Secret Base style videos for AFL and here we are
Cheers! Jon Bois is a huge inspiration for me, I still get goosebumps every time I listen to Lorde's Team thanks to his Lonnie Smtih video.
I hope one day to be half as funny and informative as he and Alex are.
10:50 Norwood and Port had a playoff for the SA premiership at Adelaide Oval in 1889 (Norwood won). Norwood also beat South Adelaide in a playoff replay (after drawing the first playoff) in 1894. Just another up yours to Victoria, along with the Magarey predating the Brownlow by 26 years.
Interesting!
I'd really have loved to go deeper into SA/WA history, but time/scope constraints kinda hamstrung me.
Those leagues will come up in a big way once I get to the 1950s, which is Part 6 I think?
Would absolutely be keen to do a SANFL history piece if there's interest.
I love your videos especially these big history documentary ones but your audio is always very quiet, if you're able to turn up the volume on your voiceover you'd genuinely be perfect
Good to know, thanks for telling me! Will boost the VO volume for the next part
Brilliant again! Attention budding script writers, the VFA-VFL shenanigans of the 1890's to 1930's would make an excellent mini series!
Would absolutely binge the hell out of that! Can't see the AFL ever approving it as the whole story is basically them trying to crush the VFA under their boot haha
I'm not even that into AFL. I know all the teams and the rules and what not. I will watch games but will never go out of my way to.
Loving this series. Can't wait for more. Very very interesting history.
Your clever use of "history I guess" and the thumbnail got me. Well done.
Thanks! Sometimes the history of a sport is more appealing than watching the sport - I feel the same about Union. Fascinating history.
As for the "i guess", I copied that from Bill Wurtz, it's become a bit of a meme to use that format. If you haven't checked out his "history of japan" and "history of the entire world i guess", I'd thoroughly recommend.
@@thegaz-man yeah I'm aware of Bill Wurtz, honestly your choice to do that made my eyes snap to it and actually read the title before scrolling. Keen for what you've got cooking up mate.
Cheers from the States! I’m really enjoying this dive into Aussie Rules history.👏
Wow, really cool to hear you're watching from outside Australia!
How long have you been following the sport for?
I was introduced to the game in the ‘80s when ESPN broadcast a VFL match once a week for a brief couple of years. I didn’t start following AFL closely until a year ago when I learned you can watch full matches on their website. I immediately fell in love with the sport all over again. I don’t barrack for any one club, but have a few favorites.
True that Fitzroy during their VFA years, they were just as strong as Geelong, Essendon, Collingwood and Carlton were.
Collingwood were established in 1892 thus they only had a short history in the VFA before being one of the 8 clubs to break away to be part of the VFL.
One of the things I would have loved to have elaborated upon is how Collingwood built up their influence so quickly, but I found very little evidence.
My biggest guess is location? They were inner city and a main reason why Melbourne shouted down their merger plan is that rail works were planned to extend through that area, increasing residential works around there.
Before the AFL, there was the VFL.
But before the VFL, there was the VFA.
Most of the Victorian Clubs that became part of the VFL got their first starts in the VFA and between 1897 to 1924, there was opportunities for teams from the VFA to eventually become part of the VFL if they were good enough.
Fantastic content mate. Can't wait for more.
Cheers! Hopefully the next part will come out on the 28th
Your channel is gold mate. Thankyou for the quality off-season content. It's sorely needed!
Thanks! If anything, it kept me sane making these vids instead of just waiting for footy to start up again haha
I have been doing some research on this era (though unsure whether to use it for an article, book or something else, but the idea was to cover the origins of the VFL and the events of the first VFL season. Obviously you and several others have covered the 'origins', and I found the events of 1897 are a bit scarce for a book, so may need to re-think the approach), but a curious detail I found about that 1896 season was that one of Collingwood's wins against Carlton could've been a draw if a protest from Carlton had been successful.
They claimed that during a quarter that went 6 minutes past the allowed time limit (a lapse on the timekeepers part) one of the pies goals had been kicked doing that extra time (the final score was 4 goals to 3) and hence shouldn't have counted. History says the Blue's protest was for naught, but who knows if that Grand Final would've happened otherwise.
That raises an interesting question for the VFL - I was unable to figure out *exactly* how much that grand final influenced the VFL's desire for a finals series...do they adopt one without this game as proof?
I think they still do it regardless, but it's an interesting hypothetical.
9:09 the MJF reference just works here lol
That was originally supposed to be in my piece to camera at Princes Park but completely lost my bottle haha
Nice work Gazza
Cracking series. So much I didn’t know
Cheers! I'm kinda scratching the surface, too - didn't even have a chance to mention things like Albert Thurgood breaking every kicking distance record, or Bill Strickland becoming the VFL's first ever official coach.
Awesome stuff brother, a researching mind I wish I was capable of 🔥
You're too kind! The real credit has to go to CC Mullen, Jim Main, Gerard Dowling and of course Russell Holmesby, among others, who did the hard yards in the 20th Century to build a solid research base. Without them, it'd be nearly impossible to track things down.
The Gaz-Man Grind is happening everybody!!! 💯
Get ready for it haha
I wouldn't call North Melbourne crap in the seasons leading up to the VFL/VFA split, they actually finished a pretty credible 6th ahead of St Kilda, Geelong and Carlton in 1896. They also finished 6th in 1894 ahead of Collingwood and Geelong (and the two easy beats) and 8th in 1895. Competitive more than crap.
The knock on North was violence, both on-field incidents & amongst the home crowd at Arden St.
I may have been a bit harsh for comedic effect calling them "crap", but they were certainly among the least successful teams gunning for that final spot.
Admittedly the most unsuccessful of those teams, St Kilda, ended up grabbing it which is pretty funny in hindsight.
Apparently Prahran were meant to have entered the league (VFL) for the 1925 season, but North Melbourne took their place.. @@thegaz-man
@@markspin4596 correct! I'll be covering that in the next part, along with the other new teams of 1924
@@markspin4596 The VFL finally corrected an egregious mistake made nearly 30 years earlier, unfortunately, some of the restrictions opposed on North almost killed the club a decade later.
I can't help but think that the formation of the VFL coincided with the invention of the brown paper bag.
I reckon you're dead right - player payments in the 1880s-1890s cemented the reputations of the power clubs who'd form the VFL.
South Melbourne didn't like the fact North Melbourne supporters were loud and passionate boy if they only knew what Collingwood were going to become. #gopies
🤣🤣🤣 interesting that nowadays North probably has the least-thought-about fanbase in Victoria, at least until a couple weeks ago
The problems stemmed from the rapid expansion of the VFA during the 1880s: Melbourne was not big enough to sustain all of the clubs in an elite competition & there was no distinct 'second tier' for clubs over-matched at the highest level. The economic depression, beginning in 1890, combined with a closed-up, boring style of play [due to the prevalence of the little mark] created disenchantment among spectators. Crowds & memberships fell significantly making it difficult for many of the clubs to survive. The 1897 split came after quite a few years of agonizing about the future of the game & how to reinvigorate interest among supporters. Of course it was about money but it was also the first attempt at central planning, attending to the problems caused by a laissez-faire approach to administering the game that characterized its' first four decades. It was a sign of the times; a number of other major sports [eg. cricket & tennis] were becoming more sophisticated & ambitious in administering their games.
Perfect summary of the situation!
Why had I not heard of that game where the B graders, trainers and freaking crowd members won a game of footy!
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I can only imagine that is exactly how everything went down 🤣🤣
Haha, are the editor's notes just from you in post production haha
You got me! 🤣🤣🤣 tbf sometimes I feel like editor Gaz is a different person haha
I filmed those pieces a few months ago when the script/research was more basic, so just had to amend a few things.
Carlton will very become a big club anyway
Indeed they did. Hard to argue with 16 flags, really impressive considering they weren't considered as good as the 'power clubs' in 1897.
Carlton breaking league rules 😂😂😂😂 the irony
Seems like they've got a bit of history 🤣🤣
Was gonna talk about it more when on site at IKON Park but the club were so nice to me I left it out
@@thegaz-man well maybe u can mention the 5 salary cap breaches in ur later videos
Is football dangerous 140 years later still the same headlines lol
That 1873 death was just from running into another guy - can't imagine what they'd think of a fierce Jordan Lewis sling tackle haha
The communism bit made me laugh as it always what I consider the VFL/AFL has been since the policies adopted in md to late 1980's of salary caps and ground centralisation etc that has made clubs more even, but the standard to reach to win the premierships has been lower as a result, in my opinion of course.... . Not that the clubs took the salary cap seriously until well in the early 2000's when Carlton were slow to catch on it was not a passing phase and would stay forever. Some of the league player lists of early to mid 80's of the better teams compared to weaker teams was amazing. North with all their Brownlow Medalists , Magarey Medalists and Sandover Medallists on their list in early 1980's was amazing. How they failed to win a premiership with all the Krakouer brothers, Glendinning, Carman, Ebert, Gary Dempsey, Blight, Keith Greig etc is amazing. You would look at a struggling team like Melbourne, St.Kilda and Footscray and they would be lucky to have one genuine star on their team in same season, like a Robbie Flower for Demons, Trevor Barker for Saints or Doug Hawkins for Footscray. North, Hawthorn, Carlton, Essendon and Richmond around same period would have busted any salary cap by two times over in that era. I kind of miss the open marker era in a way... ha ha. Least when there were four or five teams really super strong it was bloody hard to win the premiership. But having been to the 2016 Grand Final to see the Doggies win a premiership the socialist football system we have now does spread the premierships around so everyone gets a lick of the ice cream.
Interesting analysis for sure! Agree with the point about super-teams really not being a thing any more, but equalisation needed to happen.
The VFL clubs were in a spending war that literally bankrupted half of them, and made the other half irrelevant bottom-feeders.
As much as I'd love to see teams like 70s North and 80s Hawthorn in the modern era, the draft and salary cap ensures club financial safety and provides incentives fornall teams fans to hang around - as you said, anyone can win it.
Except, of course, St Kilda.
You a Sherrian or Burley man?
Ooh, good question.
I'm a Burley man if I'm buying - hence why one appears in my Frampton video, but a Sherrin man if someone else is. Burleys tend to be a bit more solid and I'm too shit to compensate haha