Unique Ross Experimental A2 Pistol Prototype
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มี.ค. 2017
- This is a very rare Ross automatic pistol, patented in 1903 by Charles Ross, of the Ross Rifle Company in Quebec. It is a short recoil, toggle locked design, made for the .45 Ross proprietary cartridge (although efforts were made, unsuccessfully, to make a .45 ACP version for the US 1907 pistol trials).
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This gun is built with such simplicity and grace that hearing Ian say "...1903" was startling. It wouldn't be out of place at all among WWII era experimental pistols. Truly a sight to behold
That gun is so incredibly beautiful in it's bare bones-ness.
I agree, very esthetic and the color is beautifull. A nice piece in a collection
Sebastian Mustermann It's very Mad Max-esque
Looks very artisanal. Funny when you think the guy design this gun and think the clip would made the hand grip at the same time.
Sam Lemke not today but in 1903 it would have been pretty advanced
@@craigandrews8486 I was thinking that a replica would make a great base for a blaster prop for Star Wars
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I understand the gun isn't completed yet, but that machine work on the toggle is beautiful. I can't believe that was done so long ago
It looks really shiny for a century old gun - almost like it was machined out of Stainless Steel.
Which is pretty damn odd for 1902, 'cause though they had Chromium Steel, modern Stainless Steel with Chromium, Nickel, Manganese (& a bunch of other things) wasn't invented until 'round 1911 by experimenters like Guillet of France.
I'd also really like to see the blueprints & design notes of this thing. It would be fascinating to see the trial & error that went into it, as it does seem to have some revolutionary ideas for the time.
It's the creativity & engineering of the weapons manufacturers, which truly fascinates me the most about them.
This pistol looks like some blaster straight out of Star Wars.
Came here to post this. Definitely. Doesn't even need any prop dressings.
Any early automatic pistol makes a good blaster, kinda ending with the Browning designs.
@@ScottKenny1978 then the 80s happened and movie prop suppliers got another slew of toys to play with.
@@JustIn-op6oy Calico...
@@ScottKenny1978 that was one of the first to come to mind.
The feature that caught my attention was the very modern looking under cut trigger guard. Then again, ring shaped triggers and guards were very common in that period. The lines and angles all feel contemporary. Would have been a nice piece to see finished.
Hiker Bro indeed, some very modern-looking details!
I agree that's the first thing that caught my eye as well, looks modern
If that thing had been finished then I think we'd have been using them for a long time. It is a beauty.
I think this gun shaped thing is beautiful. The frame sleeve around the barrel and the magazine doubling as the handle. It sure would be something to see the toggle action in action.
"so this magazine looks huge..." *Removes the entire grip*
Prototypes are so interesting. Theres something lovable about how freaky guns can be before functionality has been fully ironed out.
It looks so futuristic. Hard to believe it's over 100 years old
The Seaforth Highlanders of Canada a reserve army unit in Vancouver Canada Has or had a 1 of 2 only Ross light Machine Gun!
Gorgeous workmanship. A piece of art. Even if they couldn't get it to work.
I actually like its aesthetics, it's minimalistic but kinda elegant. Love that skeletonized handle
Kudos for using a version of the Canadian red ensign and not the maple leaf.
@i camouf all on ya Canadians
@i camouf all on ya canadians
and historians
and canadian historians
The Ross Auto is a beautiful piece of work. I love the mag as grip concept. Thanks for posting this.
I'm just super impressed at the examples that you guys are able to track down and then actually find information on them. Keep up the awesome work guys
I have always loved the .45ACP round, and have owned more pistols for that round then most any other, I also had one rifle in that caliber but it was one of those cheap Thompson knock-offs with a plastic frame and tin top. It did work and handled the Thompson magazines with ease. It was fairly accurate, but had a problem that I only learned when playing with the gun one night at the city dump grounds. I was on duty in the patrol car, and it was so damn boring that I was about to go bonkers. So I drove out to the dump grounds and saw a 55 gallon drum setting on the berm, so I jumped out of the squad car, pulled my little rifle out and began go fire at the drum. Well I had pulled in at a slight angle, and I noticed sparks flying when I fired. Those damn sparks were the .45 rounds hitting my front fender. Man I was scared shitless that I would loose my job in the morning when I had to report to the Chief. First I figured, perhaps I could come up with some story about a tree branch but that didn't really make any sense. So I just told him the truth. He laughed a bit, then said he would have to tell the Mayor, and would get back to me. Well I didn't get any sleep that day, and when my 12 hours off were over, the Chief pulled into my driveway to pick me up for my shift. I asked him what the mayor said, his reply the mayor just said, "that was stupid" and that was all that was said of it. Well from them, for quite some time I was the but of some jokes about 55 gallon drums jumping out in front of me while I was on patrol....
Another great video. I wish there was a video on the manufacturing tools they used back than. It's easy to see how they make guns today with modern tech, but in the late 1800's up to 1920 the process must have been extremely arduous.
Kenny VanCleave
Look up a piece of machinery called a "shaper"
Way awesome to use and very versatile if you get the hang of them.
Kenny VanCleave Many manufacturing tools have not changed that much in the last 100 years.
Many mills, lathes and similar tools that are used by enthusiasts are at least 50 years old.
Probably the largest change verses 100 years ago is large production runs likely have a computer controlling the mill, lathe, etc verses a human would have been back then.
Kenny VanCleave
I always think the same thing.
I looked at some of the history behind power tools and most people here in America hadn't used a power tool until about the 30s-40s. Imagine people that made guns at home, like John Moses Browning (1880s), how did they make guns as living since didn't have access to easy available power? I always thought what you're wondering as well, but I didn't think of independent gunmakers in my thought. I can see why the (I believe) CEO of Winchester was so impressed to JMB quality craftsmanship since he lived in a literal "Where?" town in Utah.
This thing is astoundingly artistic in its awkward operation, a very beautiful and unnecessary way of cycling
You know how I usually like to go all "Hurr durr, classic FPS pistol right here" sometimes?
Yeah, this one looks like it came out of a Rare (the game studio) game about the world wars on a Nintendo 64 and would be known as either "That shitty pistol" or "That fucking OP pistol".
Absolutely beautiful.
Damn, I really wish there was a completed, functional version of this gun. That mechanism is so cool.
Very interesting.
The locking mechanism looks good enough for rifle rounds.
The toggle's upward throw may keep more of the energy in the elbow and not the wrist.
Maybe the best looking automatic ever! Every bit of metal has a purpose, everything is visible.
It seems a coil torsion spring on the pivot could push the link fully into battery. Having said that, I imagine this pistol would be very expensive to manufacture and not hold any advantages over competing designs. Dropping it was probably a wise decision.
Well, it would’ve been competing with guns like the 1911 and it would undoubtedly have a magazine capacity advantage with it being double stack
How cool ! So unique ! ! Love the concept - looks like it would be fun to shoot ! ! Shame it went no where - thanks for showing us 🙂😎👍
Love these old auto pistol videos. So interesting!
Very unique and very cool looking pistol. Thanks for the review.
It's amazing the level of detail they could create back then. Just a piece of art. Funny the magazine only fits so few it looks so far ahead of its time
That is a really aewsome looking pistol.
The ergonomics look spot on.
What a pity that it was never finished
I kinked this to a Canadian friend, only saying that apparently Ross designed a pistol. His only response was: "How did they screw that up then?".
As a Canadian, Ross Rifles sucked in combat, so the whole point of a pistol variant wouldn't change the fact it would jam a lot.
Alexandrius Comnenus On the contrary, ross rifles worked extremely well and accurate but not only couldn’t handle mud, but were extremely large which also didn’t help in the trenchs. I do agree though that the pistol looks like it would not be able to handle dirt well.
+Sandwich Boy
Ah, but that weakness to mud makes them useless. They are just fine as a sporting rifle as they were intended, but virtually their entire military use was in mud drenched trenches. So to say they flat out sucked in combat is completely accurate. Trenches stayed very, very muddy, and it would be near impossible for the average soldier to keep their rifle adequately clean under the most common scenarios.
It wasn't the mud, it was British ammunition standards. The Ross rifle was designed and tested using Canadian spec ammunition. British ammo at the time was donkey shit by comparison. Same thing with firearms during both world wars, the Canadian versions were made to a higher standard than British.
It was both, not only did it jam super easily from mud, it also didn't operate well with lower quality rounds. Both things that didn't matter for sport shooting, but did for war. Even if the rounds were perfect it would be a shit gun for trench warfare
Even those two things weren't the only issues, it went far beyond that
Could definitely be converted into a very cool film prop!
1:41 I was not expecting the toggle to stick up that far!
I think you just hit the sweet spot on "Forgotten". Too bad Ross got it's reputation before perfecting it's guns. Aaaand the ammunition issues.
I like the looks of it... the grip is interesting. I dont know if it is practical at all but it sure does look cool, looks sorta retro futuristic and steampunk at the same time.
Machining looks really impressive!
I would Love to see this design concept taken to completion in a 45 acp+p+ or in 357. I would definitely buy one.
Love these videos, It's really interesting to find out the history of some really rare/weird weapons,That gun is a thing of beauty, Just wish I wasn't in Britain or I'd have a collection.
What a cool hunk of steel!
your channel is simply awesome!
Dang, I wish that toggle locks and toggle link designs had taken off back in day to the point that they would be at least common today. They seem really interesting to operate.
Thanks for showing
"the weight...is a sign of reliability.if it does not fire,you can always hit him with it."
~ Borris the blade
this gun has a cool proto-Beretta look to it.
I wanna make a video game in an alternate universe where all the guns are like this... Only weird odd ball unique guns and prototypes.
a really unique looking pistol, i really like it, great vid :)
what a beautiful weapon
I’d love to see a complete version of this gun
Looks like this is where Taran Tactical got his mag extension design from.
I just love weird funky Receiver actions like this :D
looks super cool!
In perfect hindsight, this is an over-complex way to create a short recoil system, and it reaffirms the Browning tilting barrel system that predominates.
If they make a Canadian DLC for Battlefield 1, I would not be surprised if they tried to shove this in there somewhere.
This would be a good project gun for a gunsmith.
Looks like my failed attempt to make a Luger in Pimp My Gun.
As much as I like this sort of weapons I do belive it is just one more proof of Browning genius.
would be really cool to see this fire, looks very interesting
This look really cool i like the mag as the grips
It’s awesome looking
When the Thompson was first manufactured, it used a proprietary .445 cal cartridge. Any chance of a similarity in case / bore sizes? Anyone else reminded of a Mars pistol?
That thing looks like its from star wars
Yeah, and that makes me want to look into having a couple of replicas of this gun made eventually, I could imagine it in the hands of a Mandalorian.😊
This gun looks like a Flash Gordon prop, I love it
Wow the undercut on the trigger gaurd looks very modern, the mag looks like it has competition basepads lol
Striker fired with a double stack mag? Friggin Glock clone.
Ye Olde Glugere.
Yay! A Canadian firearm!
Do more guns from Canada please
Kaiser Declan he’s done all 2 of them
And you thought the luger toggle action was funky...
This is my new favorite pistol
this looks like something somebody would make in a dingy post apocalyptic machine shop.
I've seen the guns made in one of those types of shops, and they do not look like this in the slightest.
You're a little wrong about it's history: General Ross drove it's development forward to stop the Hulk.
But this story is classified as top secret.
With Picatini rails it had some futurist aspect !
Ian is like the Bob Ross of guns
That is a very elegant looking gun shaped object.
I can't believe someone outdid the Germans or Swiss in making a more complicated gun than they could with a toggle action.
Reminds me of a small steam locomotive, not only the locomotive style engineering of the linkage, imagine it without the grip (mag) and trigger guard
These weird ones are so cool... it's like a 3d cutaway diagram.
I wounder if they planned on putting grip panels on it. It is hard to tell with it being such an early, unfinished prototype.
If you look closely at how smooth the magazine and frame fit together, I doubt they intended to use grip panels, that said, if it had gone into further development I wouldn't have been surprised to see later models WITH grip panels
I know this is an unfinished, non-firing prototype, but to me this has the look of a custom made pistol for some international assassin that charges $1 million a job.
It was nice of you to use a 1911 as a size refenence. Now whe kind of know how big the pistol is.
Such a neat looking prototype, especially since most look blocky, boring or unsophisticated. This one started out svelte!
How about a Ross 1911 study Contract Pistol? My Father set up the Production Line. Some Unofficial pistols were made by the American setup crew and lunchboxed specialed them out of the factory.
Now that’s a forgotten weapon!
I'd love to see that action shooting in slow motion
kudos for using the period correct flag on the thumbnail.
NAFmunchausen this is Ian we're talking about. He gets very little wrong
If someone could get this working, this would be one of the sickest pistols on the market, this looks like something straight out of Cyberpunk!
I like the look.
That grip really reminds me of the CZ 75 pattern pistols
This is a true "all steel" pistol.
good job!
Jobless and running out of my savings but will be going to Patreon and signing up to help out.
Hey Ian, I think you should do a review on the PPSh-41 Submachine gun.
The barrel sleeve then goes forward and the toggle fails to go fully into battery... I got a laugh out of that. Good video
I like this pistol, it matches my kitchen appliances.
Looks very sleek without the chunky top rail.
And then you look at the back and see the child-bearing hips.
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Although I would love to finish the design....
It's beautiful.
Beautiful idea. I wonder about the spent cartridge exit path? Extraction is relatively easy. Reliable ejection is not with large calibers.
The recoil action somewhat reminds me of the parabellum P.08 Luger.
that's in remarkable shape for 1903
Very nice