Is Joyride the Perfect Racing Game?
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So if I understood the end of the review correctly Tom is buying me Joyride
Correction I think he is buying me joyride.
There is going to be a fight to the death among viewers.
You bastards get your hands away from my copy of Joyride!
Now that SUSD has reviewed the whole "trilogy," I really want to hear which of these is Matt's favorite.
I've literally spent the last week of my break times at work trying to figure out if I want to buy Thunder Road or Heat, and now this video comes out.
Same I have both those games on my list
Tell me what you end up buying!
Heat is probably a better game compared to thunder road's hilariously fun gameplay
Is joyride the perfect blend?
Then I won' mention Thunder Rolls :P
Played this at a board game marathon a few months back. Crazy good fun. Super swingy but in a fun way. Every decision you make is exciting. When you're in front you are always worried by how you're going to get screwed by those behind you. When you're behind you have the puzzle of navigating better through the chaos in front of you.
This looks like a hoot. There is plenty of room for all car type games from my favorite 1980s style Car Wars (Lets do all the Maths) to something more laid back like this. Another fun video!
I see you playing Balatro in the background, you goblin.
And alwasy remember, the true odds of Wheel of Fortune is 0 in 4
I call it the Wheel of Nope!
This was the main thing that stood out to me, as well.
Oh man, when I first started playing Balatro, wheel of fortune just KEPT GOING OFF each time I picked it, like several times in a row one run and my friend who was watching was going absolutely insane. I was like "dude, one outta four? More like three outta three!" Luck be like dat tho sometimes. It gave me the unfortunate habit of buying it every time I see it due to this initial bias, yeah needless to say this never happened again haha
Tom knows that he is the GOAT board game reviewer in video format. Good for him. And even better for us.
Hey look it's Kylie! Nice to see the interns working together 😊
Eyy stop innovating. I'm running out of shelves.
The mechanic seems rather like an Update on Powerboats or powerships from some years ago.
Buy more shelves
Kylie and Rob gaming in the bonus video? Sign. Me. Up. Their presence in the Estates game was so enjoyable.
Ah, thank you ❤️ that means a lot. I like appearing in videos of games featuring derelict wastelands, whether I’m building in them or racing around them.
Had me at "Yoouuu Luuuucckkkyyyy bbbooiii"
5:00
Age of Mythology soundtrack got me hyped for 1.3 seconds there. Was not expecting the nostalgia hit
I MUST OWN ALL THREE
You can't tell me what to do, Tom!
I do!
@PadsandPawns I just got Heat for $50 new! Time to save up for the other two.
@@adriansolis5362 I had the others awhile to be fair! God speed with saving!
1:16 The question makes you open up Age of Mythology
Thank you! The noise itched my monkey brain and I didn't know where from
Nothing beats tapping micromachine cars on a track draw in the dirt
Looks very much like a glossy intro version of Gaslands Refuelled, which is full of crashy shenanigans but you get to glue guns onto your own Hotwheels cars.
a comparison of the two would be nice:)
Watching this after reading the designer diaries for this game on BGG was great! It's possible Tom already read it or the designers saw the review but most of the stuff Tom talked about liking was all stuff the designer talked about trying to make the game do, so that is fun! Great video, I have Thunder road, and did back joyride but was just talking to my wife about how we will have to try them more and see if we want to get rid of one in the future.
Read the same designer diaries- very insightful! Picked up the game after reading that post
Just want to give a shoutout to Tom for using music from Age of Mythology in his videos. Not only the beginning of the main theme at the start of this video, but I've heard many of the scores played in the background of many other videos. I see you, I hear the music, and I applaud you. AoM's music will always be a timeless masterpiece to me
I wonder if he plays it much? The new co-op meta-upgrades mode is really fun
@@JD-qq8fz I love Retold, I really do. It far exceeded my expectations. Super excited for Immortal Pillars, even if it's coming a bit later than I expected haha
9:53 love a good catchup mechanic. I can only win if I shamelessly exploit them.
Let's hear it for van Moorsel
Sleek review, equal parts informative and entertaining like a lecture delivered on a roller coaster. Standard Tom B spice. Well done.
Curious if the relatively new GMT title Charioteer has popped up on your radar. I'm really enjoying it, plays 2-6 comfortably and does a great job of mixing in some longer-term strategy amongst the usual tactics of racing games.
It looks a lot like Gaslands but without the Hot Wheels.
I completely agree.
In my opinion this is the exact 50%+50% mix of Gaslands and Vektorace.
You could simply replace the wooden car meeples with Hot Wheels.
2014: choo choo, baby. Choo, choo.
2024: vroom vroom, baby. Vroom, vroom.
I saw this at UKGE this year and it looked sooooo gooood
I didn't back this game, but only because I didn't want to be that guy who seems to only bring racing games to games night
Arrrrgggg! Now I torn. I was going to pickup Thunder Road, but this has me interested too
My first impulse is to use Hotwheels cars, but i can see how the hexagon shapes are part of how the game moves
Two camera Tom giving himself whiplash with a crisp editing style not seen since *insert really tired Family Guy style reference here*
0:58 "Becoloned"? Oh, you wacky britts.
There is already a race game with a very similar mechanic: Mississippi Queen!
Loved the Diddy Kong Racing music
First off, Bad Bob..... brilliant. im surprised you get the reference.
although honestly, IMO, CFR is better than any of the games mentioned in this video. its the successor speed circuit, doesn't use dice for movement, more tactical and less random than Heat, it feels like a real f1 race (according to people who enjoy that) hopefully a new edition of CFR coming soon.
It's exceptional. Hilarious. Tremendous.
That sounds a lot like vector race, a pencil and paper game we used to play at school 😁
I didn’t know I needed the adjective “becoloned” before now
Great video as ever. I was wondering, will there be a gift guide video this year? I always look forward to those. 🙂
Yup! Coming this week!
@@shutupandsitdown Hooray, thank you! 🙏
Repeating what others have said: this looks like a slightly streamlined board game version of Gaslands. And Gaslands is a great game!
Tom noooooooo, you already made me buy Heat: Pedal to the Metal, you can't do this to me again
Feels like someone took the best aspect of X-Wing, the maneuvering game, then made... an entire bigger game out of it lol
i will never buy a car game for many reasons. But if i would, this would be the one out of the 3 i'd buy.
Such a nice review tom! looks also like a sweet serious-and-fun-game :)
How much downtime is there between turns? How long do you wait for other players to do their stuff?
Downtime is very very low
Great review, as always... does your happy light work??
Missed the perfect opportunity to use the word phalanges instead of fingers. Phalanges is my favorite word since I heard it in Rango. Such a funny word. "Git your slimy webbed phalanges off my BOOT!"
This looks very much like Corne van Moorsel's Powerboats or Powerships (same game, different settings). At first I thought Joyride was the same game, reset on roads. The similarity is beyond striking.
Yes, it's Powerboats, tweaked a bit to RPG style. And the game "author" I remember ... I checked old emails today, I have 28 emails in 2019 from Duncan Molloy titled "Powerboats rights", last one 23 September 2019 with his last text "Give me a little while, as our lawyer is away right now. I will come back to you with confirmation of the contract as soon as possible."
I reminded him a week later, 3 October 2019, but no replies from Duncan anymore. And now I get emails from people saying Joyride is Powerboats, with another author name ... that Duncan Molloy. :(
I emailed Duncan today, after more than 5 years. We can solve it by signing the contract now finally, but my name should have been on the box.
Absolutely convinced the map art is by 2MinuteTabletop. I'm probably wrong, but the style is *so similar*.
Great review! Now cover gaslands!
I really enjoyed the games of Joyride I've played, but I have one gripe - in the base game, only Off Roader doesn't have a sharp turn/reorient ability. The other racers effectively have the ability to eat one sideswipe and not care so much, but I found myself sideswope'd into walls constantly. Off Roader's ability to turn twice at higher speeds came up less often than I'd hoped given the size of the turns on the maps we'd played on.
You should play more off roader it’s my favorite car.
You might be staying in too low of a gear.
Does seem you really delightful :D thank you for the review
I like the olden days when Tom used a handheld microphone when recording. Good times!😊🎤
Almost picked this up at Gencon '23 but it was day 3 and my bags were full
Could someone just mash these games together? You'd have Super Cars II - that would be a game I would back up!
3DS internet settings music? We call that Taste™️
God damn, I just bought heat, not another temptation to sabotage my bank account. 😅
This game have absolutely NOTHING to do with the Roxette song it was based on. I'm very disapointed.
I actually played the game this is based on, Powerboats. Apparently there's a lot of drama going on with the creator supposedly stealing this idea.
I feel like this is Gasland ruleset in boardgame form. The only thing missing is weapons on the cars.
This seems so much like Gaslands which is fantastic and all you need are some Hot Wheels or Matchbox cars. I HIGHLY recommend it for anyone looking for some car racing that you bring to the table literally and use some fun basic toys and maybe rocks.
You should definetly try "Vektorace", it has a very similar concept but even more Simple and yet with more freedom!!!
I spy a Wormrot t-shirt on the guest there! Sick!
This game sounds like it's the love child of Heat and RoboRally. And that's not a bad thing.
People are saying Gaslands, which I haven't heard of. I want to take you all the way back to Car Wars.
Indeed, Gaslands takes you back to Car Wars. It's easier to learn/teach than Car Wars, but harder than Heat or the other board game racers. You can play it with just the instructions, printable turning pieces, and some Hot Wheels sized cars. You will, however, end up wanting plastic turning keys and the custom dice. Then you'll realize you got rid of all your Hot Wheels and suddenly will start wandering the toy section of Target, pretending you are buying them for a child. But you could probably get a decent setup for less than the cost of Heat.
If you are into modeling, you can use HO scale stuff for terrain and obstacles. There's plenty of 3d print items already out there too. It's a fun game to customize. I know a guy who printed neoprene mats with tracks. makes it even cooler.
The main downside is time. It takes a while to create cars, get set up, play, and break it all down. A short game would be 2 hours. Most of the ones I've played were 3-4.
Big "Radlands" vibe from the art
That *was* a good question.
I dunno but it is the perfect pop song
Reminds me of Corné van Moorsel's "PowerBoats".
I was going to say, they took the powerboats core game and added stuff
I just cant get AMPED with cards and/or dice to race. I prefer the speed mechanic of Tiny Turbo Cars. Something that actually gets your heart pumping is important for racing.
I've had that on my shelf since I backed it and have never played it yet. I heard no one talking about it after it came out like at all!
@xCriticalStrikex its definitely my favorite racer. Ive played like 5 times and thoroughly enjoy the timed aspect.
I wonder where dungeon kart fits into that love triangle
This is much better than both Heat and TR:V in my opinion.
When are you going to sell "Technically Difficult" t-shirts?
Like the move system really. Crash rules of just pushing cars? I guess it’s ‘chaotic fun’. Id like a bit more of Car Wars weapons focus though..
I like that Tom experiments with his review style, this A and B camera dynamic is a bold choice, though I find myself watching for the camera change more than hearing what he's actually saying.
This has all the Powerboats game movement rules, except in case of damage (which normally doesn't happen anyway in Powerboats). And the game "author" I remember ... I just checked old emails now, I have 28 emails in 2019 from Duncan Molloy titled "Powerboats rights", last one with his last text "Give me a little while, as our lawyer is away right now. I will come back to you with confirmation of the contract as soon as possible."
I reminded him a week later, but no replies from Duncan anymore. And now I get emails from people saying Joyride is Powerboats, with another author name ... that Duncan Molloy. :(
I just emailed Duncan again now, after more than 5 years. We can solve it easily by signing the contract now finally, but my name should have been on the box. :)
Here more clear about this case:
It has all the Powerboats movement rules, except in case of damage (which normally doesn't happen in Powerboats).
The last email about the Powerboats contract I got 23 September 2019 from Duncan Molloy, with only this text from Duncan:
"I think we’ll work together very well. Give me a little while, as our lawyer is away right now. I will come back to you with confirmation of the contract as soon as possible."
My own last email, to remind Duncan, a week later:
"Hi Duncan, Okay, let me know.".
But no emails anymore from Duncan in the last 62 months, and now I get emails from people telling Joyride is Powerboats with some added things. And Duncan's name as "author". Which is not right.
The movement system may look a bit different, but is the same.
For example the gear pawn spots are just equal to your number of dice, that and the pawn are cosmetical, (so) wasn't in Powerboats.
The 3-sided dice from Powerboats are now 6-sided with 2x number 1, 2 and 3 on it. Which is NOT a DIFFERENCE.
Making 4 spots for "locked dice" may look different, but it's just choosing dice to keep and choosing dice to roll, and remove 1 or add 1 die. Just the same as Powerboats/Powerships.
Etc. 😞
I messaged and emailed Duncan today to settle it. No reply yet. I could wait for his reply before writing here, because it's easy to settle, but I fear that will be waiting another 5 years "for his lawyer" again? And I'm not a "waiting type".
I'm looking at the 53 emails from 2019 now. Quite bizar. This was the first email, titled "Powerboats rights":
"Hi Corné,
Duncan Molloy, head of board games at Rebellion Developments. I was wondering you were open to a discussion about the rights to Powerboats/Powerships? I’m a fan of the game, and would love to have a chat about it."
After several emails to each-other, and a phonecall, I emailed:
"Hi Duncan,
I'm packing the only complete Powerships game I have here (and Powerboats expansion), which was the production sample probably, maybe the box differs a bit to the final production. Further I only have 1 sealed copy here and 1 at other place."
BTW: He received it and still must have it.
Later from Duncan:
"For Powerboats I will make some small changes, like including the expansion, but it will mostly be the same."
And some contract offers which most publishers do call "indecent", like offering EUR 2k advance to 5% for the worldwide rights forever, which is not a fair offer. I offered a normal modest contract at that time. But after this mistake and after publishing it first it should be more. So I did sent a contract today to Duncan for 5k advance to 7% for worldwide rights to sell and to sublicense. And after 3 years the option to add a year each year by adding 1k advance for each year. And my name on the box in case of later printruns. That's still a low (!) and favorable deal for the game's publisher, and okay for me to settle it.
(BTW: I was preparing a cars version edition last years, not expecting this after 62 months without messages from Duncan.)
Wow.... That's horrible. Hopefully Shut up and Sit Down can look into this and edit their review, or help make things right in some way...
The case is not about game mechanics like 'drafting' or 'worker placement' or 'set collection' or 'roll&move' ... well it is roll&move, but that's not the case.
The whole game system of Powerboats is in Joyride.
With the 3-sided (so at the D6 3-numbered) dice.
The 1 die adding or removing.
The keeping a free number of dice from the former turn unrolled.
And rerolling your other dice if any.
And in your move 1x 60 degrees turning on the hexagons grid.
And then moving straight in the boat's uhhhhh car's direction after turning.
Etc.
The whole movement system is the same, and some things added.
So Rebellion employee Duncan Molloy contacted me long ago: Logical.
Placing his (so the product manager) name on the box: That's very strange behaviour at boardgame companies.
Oh no who’s that guy in the back staring at me
I've been trying to find The One car racing game to add to my collection. Either I don't understand Heat at all after dozens of plays on BGA, or most of the game comes down to your starting hand. If someone gets to move 15 spaces on the first turn, but you only get to move 8 because your starting hand sucks, you've lost. I have tried to watch for people start out behind and manage to catch up and it doesn't seem to happen. Rallyman seems to have a bit of the same problem. You fall behind, it's hard to get past blockers. If you crash, you lose. I liked Formula De, but it's a little long. Any other suggestions?
SU&SD should address the ongoing controversy regarding this game. Joyride is based largely on the existing game "Powerboats" without giving any credit to the original designer.
it seems that there was a proposition for a deal for a new version of powerboat, but the deal didnt stick? So officially, it's a different game "very inspirated by...".
Consider Death Roads All Stars for the best Fury Road car battler racing game.
...and then there is the classic Gaslands: Reloaded which has the added benefit of kitbashing your cars if you want to.
Just want to shout out the accessibility considerations here. They made a lot of effort to make sure things could be managed visually more easily. Tom shows some of it, but doesn''t mention it.
Tom already said it, but it really leans towards Heat over Thunder Road. The art on this is a little deceptive in that way. This game is about steering and racing lines, which neither Heat nor Thunder Road do.
The rulebook makes turning unclear, which better diagrams could have solved, but easily solved looking at any video about the game.
It's peppy, but has some meat. Wants for every expansion. Truly as sandbox game.
How can you have an lcd soundsystem last show poster when they’re playing like 12 shows in New York and more throughout the year? Hmmmm Tom?
I cannot express how much I loved playing this game. When you can cross the finishline moving backwards... is just something special. Its a nice, spicy combo of chaos, tactics and racing. HIGHLY recommend.
Got it, fun game!
Great review, very informative, not a game I'd like though.
1:16 Don't say "I don't know"
Big Redline vibes
You should give Dark Future a try.
Oh, you should give gaslands a try 😅
Balatro mentioned????
The core mechanic of this game is remarkably similar to Powerships, even down to the dice being d3s, and damage reducing your top speed. That game's been out of print for quite a while, though I thought Allplay was planning on reprinting it.
One important thing missing from the review, especially when you compare it to Heat and Thunder Road from the get-go: which stages of play happen in parallel and which in turns?
One thing that makes Heat so good is the speed of play, when it’s mostly simultaneous and then just resolving everyone’s actions in order. Another thing that was not mentioned is that Heat goes up to 6 players. And with the simultaneous play, it’s actually best at 5-6 players IMO. I’ve had tons of fun playing it with non-gamers in larger groups due to these factors. I doubt you could do the same with Joyride (or Thunder Road).
Oh, and this is a highly me-thing, but I was absolutely delighted that I was recently able to get my 7yo daughter playing Thunder Road, despite not being able to read yet, and not understanding English at all. Since you only need to remember the 4 special abilities, language isn’t a big barrier. Joyride seems to have a lot more “text” to go through in order to play it.
Joyride looked great except it would be replacing gaslands which, while a bigger commitment, really leans into the zany smashy mad maxxy theme in a way I just wouldn't tolerate being watered down and tightened up. For someone who wants a balanced game though, I definitely see the appeal.
Looking at all that luscious art, it's worth mentioning that this comes from Rebellion's (creators of Sniper Elite and much more) board game imprint.
That being the same Rebellion which owns 2000AD, which the art here would fit into like an old friend (if your old friend was a Gorillaz-obsessed, Mad Max racer).
No surprise as artist Pye Parr cut their teeth on the publication.
Sneaking in the Balatro music … Goddammit I have to play it on mute as I’ve heard that tune for, like, 16 solid days this year. 16 FULL DAYS. PS5 logs your hours on a game doesn’t it? 392 hours.
Goddamn that game. I figured out an amazing Balatro legacy card game … with multiplayer & how to get those amazing combos but not need to be Stephen Hawking to figure out the maths of the score!
seems like a NASCAR board game.
i wish this supports higher player count
I like board games
@@Blosteroid you're in the wrong place!
@eopatcjo oh :(
@@Blosteroid
Wait, no; twas only in jest SUSD is best
We're not going to talk about the mannequin?
Love the Root hat! And also, huge props to Root's design - I realized what it was as soon as it registered with me that it's a little face, even though I've never even played Root!
Looks like Power Boats but with weapons and crashes.
Though that's a good thing; Power Boats was my favourite racing game until Flamme Rouge and Heat arrived.
Thunder Road Vendetta is fun to play, but too chaotic to be a good game IMO.
Kinda looks like a simpler version of Gaslands
I guess you've heard of the Powerboats controversy by now? Any plans on addressing that, given how many people likely learned about joyride from your video?