Arcs is 2024’s Best New Board Game

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  • @DrMcFly28
    @DrMcFly28 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +983

    The review kinda left it ambiguous if Tom liked the game or not

    • @goldribbedfisherman
      @goldribbedfisherman 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +32

      Agreed, still have no idea what this game is about, lol

    • @royalsapphire1196
      @royalsapphire1196 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

      A classic shut up and sit down review

    • @e3gh757
      @e3gh757 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Weirder!

    • @tuomasronnberg5244
      @tuomasronnberg5244 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      Yeah Tom, tell us how you really feel about the game!

    • @stefandrawert
      @stefandrawert 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      The section on the the numerous Cons was so much longer than the Pros 😂

  • @davidlarsen3698
    @davidlarsen3698 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +669

    Oh god, Tom, your superpower is making me buy four-letter board games.

    • @justindinger6173
      @justindinger6173 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +44

      Is it a bird? Is it a plane? No, it's "Very specific capitalist influencer man!"

    • @andyflinders8333
      @andyflinders8333 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      Oath? :D

    • @eopatcjo
      @eopatcjo 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Ahoy

    • @isaaclorrain9269
      @isaaclorrain9269 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

      Oh my gosh, how have I never noticed this. Root, Fort, Ahoy, Oath, Arcs...

    • @eopatcjo
      @eopatcjo 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@davidlarsen3698 and VAST

  • @WatchItPlayed
    @WatchItPlayed 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +222

    BUT DO YOU LIKE IT?

    • @MrTomlette
      @MrTomlette 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      I think it's open to interpretation.

    • @WatchItPlayed
      @WatchItPlayed 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +26

      @@MrTomlette I’ll have to watch part 2 and see.

    • @undeco_niclas
      @undeco_niclas 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      If Rodney comments, I'm here for it

    • @markfukubayashi4062
      @markfukubayashi4062 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Just started the video and he said "Arcs is the best boardgame I have ever played"

    • @melo0187
      @melo0187 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Why did they choose to have meeple university do the official how to play video?
      I am hoping @WatchItPlayed is going to give this game their own how to play none the less.
      Rodney's teach is unmatched!

  • @camipco
    @camipco 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +307

    For future reference, if anyone has a really long video and then there's a second part and they want me to watch the second part, ending part one with "and it gets weirder" will 100% do the job every time.

  • @eric9124
    @eric9124 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +228

    If I had a nickel for every 30+ min Leder Games review from Tom where he said their new game is his favourite of all time, I’d have two nickels, etc etc. In all seriousness though, I’m super happy to see this game deliver on its promises!

    • @ekulio
      @ekulio 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +23

      That video makes me doubt his opinion on this one ...Oath is fun but definitely not *the greatest game ever*

    • @JohnDiGrizUkraine
      @JohnDiGrizUkraine 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      ​@@ekulio it's like third best imo

  • @revbrentcolby
    @revbrentcolby 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +66

    You know it’s serious when the cards are sleeved. 😅

    • @PMMagro
      @PMMagro ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Thye always are if you are serious.

  • @uhhhclem
    @uhhhclem 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +112

    A vanishingly small number of American viewers will have the first idea what "a stick of rock" is, let alone what the hell Tom's use of it in a tortured metaphor could possibly mean.
    As a public service: Rock is a Britishism for a specific kind of hard candy similar to what Americans would call a peppermint stick. Originally called Blackpool Rock (or, for you Graham Greene fans, Brighton Rock) based on whatever resort town sold it. The difference between rock and peppermint sticks is twofold: first, rock is quite a bit thicker, maybe twice the diameter of a peppermint stick. Second, the candy is made so that in cross-section, it has a design - for instance, the letters BLACKPOOL ROCK. The design runs the length of the stick, so that wherever you break it, the design's visible. As with millefiori, which uses a very similar production technique, only for glass. (Millefiori: also a Reiner Knizia board game. Onward.)
    Hence: "dramatically lopsided games that have an asymmetry running through them like a stick of rock...though it would have to be a really _wide_ stick of rock to fit the word "asymmetry" through it, you know?"

    • @CCP
      @CCP 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thank you.

    • @wassentme1891
      @wassentme1891 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thank you.

    • @ArtrexDenthur
      @ArtrexDenthur 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thank you.

    • @ClarkPotter
      @ClarkPotter 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thank you

    • @Mr_Wallet
      @Mr_Wallet 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Thank you!

  • @d20plusmodifier
    @d20plusmodifier 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +156

    Thank you for drawing attention to the Kyle Ferrin Artwork Klaxon. It's always going off at my house and my children are so tired.

    • @nthonyholden
      @nthonyholden 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      My house, too, Kyle. But here we just let it blare on.

    • @seanmcgowan4842
      @seanmcgowan4842 3 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I was wondering what that noise was when we were playing FORT the other day…
      ps: Iove your work!

  • @xavier622
    @xavier622 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +20

    Played through 2 acts of the campaign last weekend. After first game, we all said, "Well that was kind of interesting...but I can't quite see where this is going". After the second game where planets were being obliterated, space mushrooms were being befriended, and one player was desperately trying to hold together the crumbling empire while the rest of us gleefully pushed the metaphorical head of the drowning empire underwater while also somehow paying taxes into it we all realized, "Ah...this is not what I thought it was going to be at all." In the best way.
    Cole, Kyle, and Leder Games have done it again.

    • @pinobluevogel6458
      @pinobluevogel6458 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      This possibly even moreso than the video, convinced me that this game is probably not for me.

  • @Mia_linking
    @Mia_linking 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +113

    We played our first 3-player game (non-campaign) last week and it blew us away. I haven't been able to stop thinking about it since. My personal game of the year (at least until I get Earthborne Rangers in my hands - then we'll see)

    • @somerandomperson8282
      @somerandomperson8282 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Can you please provide more info on what you loved about it? :)

    • @Supersketch84
      @Supersketch84 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Excited to play Earthborne too in (around) December! And now I gotta find a copy of Arcs. SUSD is really driving sales.

    • @Averageeveydayuser
      @Averageeveydayuser 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Wait how come you already have it? Kickstarter?

  • @BenChandler-xo4fm
    @BenChandler-xo4fm 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +43

    If Tom doesn't eat a raw onion in the part two we riot.

  • @JD-qq8fz
    @JD-qq8fz 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +59

    "There's just so much game in this individual system" hell yeah, that's better than the other way around

  • @davidburkhardt5265
    @davidburkhardt5265 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +30

    I’ve had the game out on my kitchen table since it came in the mail. I just enjoy looking at it. I’m nearly to the point I’m going to put a sign in the yard telling strangers to come in and play with me.

  • @lucas56sdd
    @lucas56sdd 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +193

    IT IS SO GOOD! The designers learned everything they could from making Root and Oath and combined the best parts of both to create a Ti4 sized experience in half the rules and double the convenience. A masterstroke.

    • @jksalamon
      @jksalamon 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Pin this pls

    • @broganirwin864
      @broganirwin864 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      Is the campaign really half the rules? I don't have my copy yet but have watched some playthroughs and it does seem pretty convoluted to learn.

    • @Shazirah_Kaur
      @Shazirah_Kaur 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      ​​​​@@broganirwin864I think the Ti4 comparison to base Arcs is a bit apple to oranges. I can see the Ti4 comparison to Blighted Reach -- that's a different price range (and different video!), though, than base Arcs.
      It does matter what a person considers the core experience to a Ti4, though. But when it comes to creating an epic feeling space narrative in a game session, absolutely, Blighted Reach does that. And with fewer rules, ya.

    • @AJ-pn9dm
      @AJ-pn9dm 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      Arcs is nothing like Twilight Imperium

    • @rachelandryan
      @rachelandryan 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I thought there was only one designer?

  • @anthonyochs48
    @anthonyochs48 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +29

    Holy shit I remember when the Oath review dropped it’s been 3 years 😳

  • @ConsummateGamer
    @ConsummateGamer 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +46

    SUSD this is a call to come and visit the Twin Cities the birthplace of both Arcs & Earthborne Rangers!

    • @chrisberkenbyrne4363
      @chrisberkenbyrne4363 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      & Twilight Imperium & Pandemic & Too Many Bones & so many more!

    • @davidlein2438
      @davidlein2438 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      We in the Twin Cities are very fortunate when it comes to Board Game quality.

  • @bentoja4563
    @bentoja4563 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +22

    LETS GOOOOOOO! Hyped for Blighted Reach video, was lucky enough to be apart of the playtesting team I hope everyone enjoys it!!

  • @Chozo_hybrid
    @Chozo_hybrid 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +61

    The one thing I hate about kickstarter games, is hearing about them after the campaign has already ended. I look forward to getting this at retail though.

    • @SwedishWookie
      @SwedishWookie 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +14

      And I hate when it's absolutely silent AFTER a game's kickstarter when the game is done and released. Like there's a bunch of hype videos for the kickstarter and 0 reviews afterwards.

    • @Dubblevishion
      @Dubblevishion 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      You can preorder it from their website right now.

    • @boycebulldog
      @boycebulldog 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      Luckily Leder gates nothing behind the Kickstarter Campaign. Everything will be at retail in the same version.

    • @dejavu_d
      @dejavu_d 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      On crowfunding you get a cheaper bundle from them but retail preorders are close enough

  • @Shazirah_Kaur
    @Shazirah_Kaur 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +17

    I taught this game to someone who got a bit on edge that the attacker makes all the decisions in combat. At first, I didn't understand why it seemed to sit ill with him, but then he explained that it felt like some of the perceived gaming agency he had been accustomed to, trained to in most other board games had been taken from him. I wonder how particular that is, but if that's something that might bother you or your gamer pal, too, just a thing to put on radars: the attacker makes all combat decisions in base Arcs, including choosing which defending units were hit/destroyed when the dice rolls need to be doled out. In this and many ways (said video above), it turns the formula on its head.

    • @nin_4_me58
      @nin_4_me58 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Well…. initiative is key in this game…. Get it and use it!

    • @SwedishWookie
      @SwedishWookie 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Yeah I can see that, our miniature gaming group really miss rolling to save your models from harm when attacked. Which most games do so when there's no 'save' it feels kinda bad, like your agency to even have a chance (cube) to save your little plastic dudes is taken away :P

    • @kevinsun7617
      @kevinsun7617 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Arcs used to have defender agency, but then eventually evolved to just assume the defender “acts reasonably”. All the damage and intercepts on the dice represents the defender’s attempt at defending themselves

    • @Lucretiel
      @Lucretiel วันที่ผ่านมา

      In a recent podcast interview with Dan Thurot, Cole touched on this a bit:
      "I've noticed that some of the people who hate our games the most are the most experienced game players. People who have played hundreds of Euros. And I think what's happening is, just because of the way I design and the way these games have turned out, it doesn't allow players to build on their preexisting ludic knowledge. So if someone's enjoyment of games is mostly, look at how their ludic knowledge is laddering from one euro to another, it can be very frustrating.
      Whereas people who have no touchstone do fine. I've gotten so many messages from people for whom Pax Pamir was their first modern board game. And they had a great time, they had no problems with the rulebook!"

  • @tinstargames
    @tinstargames 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +68

    “This game will please absolutely everyone”
    (Two minutes later)
    “You can’t play peacefully”

    • @mavweirdo
      @mavweirdo 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      "You know what I mean when I say Space Games right?" Well, when I think Space games I think Race for the Galaxy, Moonrakers, and Space Base.

    • @alxvdark
      @alxvdark 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

      Yes, the brakes went on in my head almost immediately upon hearing that there was aggression between players. That is not our group's vibe at all

    • @bexarath
      @bexarath 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +18

      Exactly this. I'll just mark this one down in the category "I appreciate your passion for the game but it doesn't interest me at all."

    • @Kevin720c
      @Kevin720c 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      if there is agression, me and my girl will love this. She really likes games that require conflict just to piss me off haha

    • @hudeduge9240
      @hudeduge9240 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      (Also 15 minutes later)
      I'm still explaining rules that aren't Euro game elegant. Let's just say that you can tell Cole is a wargamer at heart.

  • @syeblaize
    @syeblaize 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +68

    Arcs is brilliant. But it is NOT straightforward. Like many Leder games, it approaches a genre that is well trodden (such as space game) and turns everything on its head (by making action selection into a trick taking game).
    I think grokking the mechanics of the game takes a game at least for most people. This is mostly because not only is the shared rulespace between space game and trick taking game is basically 0 (knowing how to play the Crew is only half the battle!), but also that Arcs doesn't do almost anything else like other Space games either. Control is based on fully repaired ships, but damaged ships still have guns. Combat is based entirely on the aggressor, but can cause tremendous backlash for those who are not cautious enough. Victory points are based on who controls what resources (in a very limited pool of resources) at any given time. You might even run out of ships or agents if the relevant scoring hasn't happened in a few turns. Everything works together, but how it works together is absolutely unlike any other game you've played.

    • @Giguv05
      @Giguv05 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Grokking >_>

    • @paulsousa
      @paulsousa 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I don’t disagree it’ll take a play to feel comfortable with the action selection mechanism, but Arcs is definitely much more straightforward than Root or Oath. It was hands down the easiest teach of the three for me.

    • @somerandomperson8282
      @somerandomperson8282 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Grokking sounds like something... unwholesome.

    • @naturesfinest2408
      @naturesfinest2408 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@paulsousaeasier to learn, teach, and play?

    • @paulsousa
      @paulsousa 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@naturesfinest2408 I would say yes since you can on-ramp with just the base game, then add Leaders & Lore if you want some starting asymmetry, and finally go to the campaign if you want full blown Leder/Wehrle weirdness.

  • @benrazidlo515
    @benrazidlo515 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    Somewhere in Minneapolis, Cole and the Leder team are watching this review and all of the great work making this masterpiece is being validated. Almost officially.

  • @thomashughes7336
    @thomashughes7336 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +69

    SUSD's review arrived before my copy 😭

    • @LukasGehring89
      @LukasGehring89 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      cries in EU

    • @niedrzyjsietak
      @niedrzyjsietak 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Glad to hear I'm not the only one who hasn't received theirs yet. : )

    • @markd2060
      @markd2060 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The UK wait goes on 😭... was already excited for this to arrive before Tom's review.

    • @SwedishWookie
      @SwedishWookie 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      same ;__;

  • @evin2840
    @evin2840 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +51

    THE REVIEW IS HERE? AND ITS TWO PARTS? Tom is cooking

  • @thepopefrancis3015
    @thepopefrancis3015 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Was expecting the classic mid review turnaround 'BUT' to close out the video but that ending made me even more interested

  • @derekschroeder291
    @derekschroeder291 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +62

    Thank you SUSD for inevitably knocking “The Dick Sits” off of the top of the BGG hot list with this video

    • @FelipeRodrigues-vj1zb
      @FelipeRodrigues-vj1zb 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      It's currently in first place, so I don't think that's happening right now 😅

    • @adamstofsky4244
      @adamstofsky4244 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@FelipeRodrigues-vj1zb Yeah somehow it's still there. What the heck?

    • @jorgis123
      @jorgis123 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I didn't know this was a thing. Going to give it 10 stars now! Thanks for pointing it out.

    • @paulvalery9778
      @paulvalery9778 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      come on Nightshift!

    • @craigandrews7544
      @craigandrews7544 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      All the precious BGG users unite and head for the thumbs up 👍 on this comment

  • @pjdarkr7019
    @pjdarkr7019 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +35

    @13:05 casually putting these specific BGG users on blast. I'm here for it.

    • @CasualSax
      @CasualSax 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      This review begged for balance, hate that this is the avenue they chose to find some.

    • @ambrosius
      @ambrosius 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And I don’t disagree with the reviewers either. Just because the reviewer enjoys it doesn’t mean it’s for everyone.

  • @MagralhoPT
    @MagralhoPT 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +27

    The satisfactory music as background music! what the hell!!!! I got sooo messed up because I was like... what?! (7:58 for anyone wondering)

    • @fuzzzy88
      @fuzzzy88 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      HA. 1.0 is going to be releasing in a couple weeks. :)

    • @TheXtrafresh
      @TheXtrafresh 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      wow... I'm a few thousand hours into that game, so it's basically always in my skull, and I didn't even notice.

    • @KevlarGorilla
      @KevlarGorilla 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@fuzzzy88 September 10th, this year, actually

  • @styfen
    @styfen 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +51

    Tom is such a great barometer for games I should not purchase. This review really helped me understand what Arcs is and why I shouldn't get it. I genuinely appreciate that.

    • @FBracht
      @FBracht 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

      Care to elaborate? I pinky-swear I'm not planning to be confrontational regardless of what you end up replying. I'm just so far off on the other side of this take that I can't imagine how it must feel

    • @shade270
      @shade270 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

      The game seems like a big box, competitive, tactical, and with lots of parts to track.
      Tom seems to like that sort of thing. If that's not something your into then this review is a pretty good highlight on why you should on this.

    • @cooly1234
      @cooly1234 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

      @@FBracht some people like playing sinegleplayer games next to each other. y'know the ones where you never or almost never interact. This is not that.

    • @BillJarrett
      @BillJarrett 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I guess everyone’s game collections are different. I own Arcs - and if we are talking about the base game he is showing it’s not a big box. The box is probably closer to the size of Root. The expansion box on the other hand is enormous. I haven’t even opened it so I can’t speak to it.
      It setups up and tears down fast. The base game where everyone is symmetrical is easy to teach and play. The added complexity and parts to make the game asymmetrical is just cards given at the beginning to give special powers.
      My family all loves very different games but this has been good for most of us. It has strategic depth but the rules are simple enough the box did not have to include a “Law of Arcs” book like other Wehrle games do.
      So as far as big box with lots of parts this is one of the more accessible games I have that I wouldn’t call a family game. I’d probably put it around the complexity level of Dune Imperium, yet I find it a lot more interesting to play.

    • @ambrosius
      @ambrosius 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yes, this review helped me realise I don’t really want to play this. I can recognise and appreciate the good design of the game, but I don’t find these intensely negotiating, super confrontational game that fun. I like to see game mechanics reflect the theme, and I don’t really get the sense that the theme really shines through in this.

  • @VerenaS8
    @VerenaS8 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    This is amazing, Tom! The atmosphere you create, the music, the beautiful shots of the game. I really like the sincere reviewing interspersed with silly bits to keep our attention. More sustainable for you to make but still informative and a joy to watch ❤

  • @Elboy522
    @Elboy522 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

    who the fuck has friends who will play the same board game 40 times in a month??!! must be nice

    • @morganstevenson7614
      @morganstevenson7614 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      I think he has been playing on TTS for longer than that.

    • @ormhaxan
      @ormhaxan 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      SUSD also received an early copy of the physical game all the way back in March.

    • @DerekHohls
      @DerekHohls 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

      @@ormhaxan Yes, he said its been a few months. But still, some of us who are not boardgame reviewers would be overjoyed to play 40 times (any game!) in a year ...

  • @50mm_
    @50mm_ 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    It's about time. I've only been able to play three games… 1 2 player, 1 3 player, and 1 4 player, but it is captivating. I always leave the game thinking about each chapter, wondering what I could have done to be more efficient.

  • @redreelpro
    @redreelpro 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Do I sense a "Dharma Initiative Orientation Video"-style format when explaining resources? Fantastic video.

  • @w7w7w7w7w7
    @w7w7w7w7w7 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    *wipes tears away with a Fuel Cartel card*
    It's beautiful!!!! 😭

  • @rosmith606
    @rosmith606 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +19

    I am (I guess similarly to Tom) Werhle pilled. John Company, Oath and now Arcs are absolutely in my top shelf games in the board gaming space. Just fantastic game design and development all around with a big ol' BUT - they take such a specific mindset to really engage with and appreciate, so it's very easy (and understandable) for folks to bounce off them if it's not the style of game they are looking for. I'm glad that Arcs is the most accessible as it has the core design foundations that interest me (unreliable planning, emergent narrative, some campaign elements that aren't permanently destroying game pieces).
    Anyway, looking forward to the 2nd part of this vid (I say, while still watching this'n).

  • @andrewweisbrod4506
    @andrewweisbrod4506 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    "It's like trying to wrestle an eel. An eel that hates you. Probably hates you because you're trying to wrestle it. Why are you trying to wrestle it? What's wrong with you?"
    ...
    "They're just questions, Leon... It's a test designed to provoke an emotional response."

  • @SeeJayMac
    @SeeJayMac 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Colour me fuckin' stoked. Spent the afternoon unboxing and prepping my copy for a cottage trip. Thanks for the awesome vid!

  • @FBracht
    @FBracht 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    I fully expected Arcs to be a masterclass in game design. But I never expected it would overtake Root as my favorite game of all time.

    • @jangohemmes352
      @jangohemmes352 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      This sounds so promising, Root is my favorite game too

  • @tiusic
    @tiusic 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    The asymmetry of the Leaders and Lore stuff reminds me a lot of Cosmic Encounter, which is a favourite in my family. Can't wait to get my hands on Arcs

  • @pinobluevogel6458
    @pinobluevogel6458 4 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    While I think the video came over well and how the game plays, looks and feels, I still think this might not be for me. This seems more like a tactical, strategic spacegame for people that like a large amount of randomness and the balancing act of spacing out your cards more than the gradual, effciency and planning we get from games like TI4. Now those games usually spiral out of control because they aren't really balanced incredibly well, but this also insures that all the politics can stabilize the situation and the game eventually ends within a reasonable time.
    This seems more like the YOLO version of a space 4-X, where you take a gamble more often than a carefully planned strategy. That is the exact opposite of what my gaming group prefers. Even in TI4, where there actually is a lot of gradual planning, the most feel bad moments are nearly always a horrible agenda card being revealed and voted through that totally wrecks 1 or 2 players completely, or a completely lobsided series of dicerolls that turns an almost unlosable combat in a disastrous loss.
    Maybe I shouldn't be comparing Arcs to TI4, which is a far grander, larger and (probably) lengthier game. But as the most prominent game we play that roughly fits in the same theme, it will still be the most logical competitor.
    The most important marker of a game I am going to like a lot, is that when watching a review, I immediately like it and my mind races as to how to play this game and getting really excited, maybe even getting to check out the rulebook if it is available. This just doesn't does that for me. The art doesn't entice me, the gameplay might be good, but it isn't convincing enough to pull me over.
    I'm willing to give it a try, but I think if we want a shorter spacegame, we will play Eclipse, or possible even Dune Imperium, as both games are excellent for their length and complexity and we barely have time to get those out enough anyway.

  • @CarrotandStick
    @CarrotandStick 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I get that this game may be genius, but I can't shake the feeling that I, personally, would hate Arcs but adore Oath. Which I still need to get my grubby little hands on to try.

    • @synterlu
      @synterlu วันที่ผ่านมา

      I played a game of Oath and can't stop thinking about it...

  • @kaitai7302
    @kaitai7302 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +13

    This review may have taken awhile to come out, but boy was it worth it. Just wish I had more friend to play it with.

    • @AlasdairMacKinnon
      @AlasdairMacKinnon 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      The lack of a solo mode saddens me. Yes, I get that it would be difficult to design one...but they just did one for Oath after saying they couldn't. Hopefully, we'll eventually get a clockwork Arcs.

    • @cryptorcd9352
      @cryptorcd9352 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@AlasdairMacKinnon They have 2 designers specifically for solo games so it probably will happen down the line.

  • @joanofsnark
    @joanofsnark 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    i skimmed this the other day and saw this in store yesterday and immediately invested. i was genuinely shocked at how affordable the box and the lore/legends addition was im so excited to play. coming back around to make sure i have the gameplay down before i host a game. i love yalls work, i got the vibes immediately and just know this will be a hit. Thank you for all this great work you do to help us sort out which games we want! the last few games i got were all susd recommended and theyve all been hits.

  • @cirthador1453
    @cirthador1453 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I was not sure about buying Arcs once it got to retail...until this review. The thing that gets me most excited about Arcs is all of the absolutely beautiful reviews packed so full of emotion and narrative. And this is the best of those reviews by far. Can not wait for part 2!

    • @Averageeveydayuser
      @Averageeveydayuser 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Wait, it is in retail already? Cant find in EU shops still. Tells me it will be on shelves in December

    • @cirthador1453
      @cirthador1453 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Averageeveydayuser Yeah, it will not be on shelves until at least October, if not later. I was just saying that I was excited for once it got there.

  • @pudicio
    @pudicio 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I wish this review had a section at the end: who won't like this game. Is SUSD leaving this format?

    • @danjosefsson1715
      @danjosefsson1715 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

      It's a sad development. Especially in combination with the referral links.

    • @Jumbocrableg
      @Jumbocrableg 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      noticing this as well :(

    • @zacdredge3859
      @zacdredge3859 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Well it's a 2 part video so we'll see. Hopefully Tom realises.

  • @randomir
    @randomir 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Great review. Really captures what an unexpectedly elegant game that Arcs turned out to be. So happy I backed.

  • @mdtrx
    @mdtrx 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    That intro and I'm like "Is this a bit?" :)

  • @ohno144
    @ohno144 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I didn’t expect ‘technically difficult’ to make me laugh so much

  • @Hghartung
    @Hghartung 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    I'm gonna finish the video first but from that intro I'm very sold that I want this game. I haven't bought a board game in about a year because I'm pretty reserved about adding new things to my collection but this seems like the exception and it doesn't play like anything I have. I also really like this art style for a scifiish game. It almost feels like it could fall into any genre and is close to minimalist but still beautiful

    • @naturesfinest2408
      @naturesfinest2408 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      And its relatievly inexspensive for what you get. Only 40 dollars u.s. Leder games doesnt dissapoint me, and like you i tend not to add things ti my collection. This will be the one game I will get this year.

  • @jjschm20
    @jjschm20 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

    I actually prefer Cole’s Wehrlegig games (Pax Pamir, John Company, etc) to his Leder stuff. But Root is still a Top 10 game for me. I basically worship at the altar of Cole’s game designs.

  • @ivietheplant
    @ivietheplant 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Classic Tom! Can't keep him from monopolizing and then subsequently drinking-all-of the fuel in the Reach! Boy loves his diesel!!!

  • @mreed7947
    @mreed7947 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    Arcs is the game that finally pushed me over the "the churn" line. I'm sick of not getting to replay favorite games because I feel guilty about the new game sitting on my shelf. I want to rip Arcs apart and know every nook and cranny of that box. I sold dozens of games in the last few weeks. I'm much happier now. Thanks Leder. You've made me a happier gamer.

    • @FBracht
      @FBracht 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Same!!
      I’m out of my dating period with board games. Used to date as much as I could, had one night stands, experimented as much as I could. Now I’m happy to settle down and keep a stable and faithful relationship only with my 15-20 preferred partners.

    • @somerandomperson8282
      @somerandomperson8282 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@FBracht same here guys, I am selling everything in my collection that I do not love. Boiling a collection down to games you love is the way forward.

    • @naturesfinest2408
      @naturesfinest2408 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​​@@somerandomperson8282im glad to see this taking off in the hobby. My personality has always gravitated towards replayabilty rather than new and fresh. Which means the market might make a, maybe only slight, shift in that direction.
      I know some games have "replayability". But I mean over and over. Not just 20 times.

  • @Gagneto
    @Gagneto 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    what? a leder games game with aggressive dice? is the sun still hot? I bet it is
    but the flavors man.... I wanna taste them now

  • @kolos0139
    @kolos0139 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Awesome review Tomy can't wait for part 2! On a sidenotey what music did ya'll use in this one? I've definetly identified satisfactory, and maybe citizen sleeper so far....

  • @ajtame
    @ajtame 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

    Well thats arks being out of stock literally everywhere :D

  • @Sihoiba
    @Sihoiba 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Excellent B-roll framing and on point editing as always. Definitely a game I need to see if my friends who enjoy this kind of game would be interested in.

  • @RyknowToGo
    @RyknowToGo 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Having played a few games now, I agree with Tom's sentiment. I am interested to know what the rest of the SUSD crew thinks about it, given Tom is admittedly quite biased when it comes to Cole Wehrle.

  • @negativespace6218
    @negativespace6218 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Holy shit what a beautiful review - thanks for the wonderful insight, this really helped me understand the idea behind Arcs and the massive potential it holds.

  • @tomp2449
    @tomp2449 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I'm sold on this! Oath is my favorite game of all time, so this should fit nicely in my collection.

    • @FBracht
      @FBracht 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Hooooooo boy, if Oath is your jam, wait until you learn about the Campaign in Arcs. It will explode your noggin

    • @ElTomTom87
      @ElTomTom87 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I didn’t look too much into the campaign. I’m curious if it’s worth just starting by buying the base game.

    • @FBracht
      @FBracht 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@ElTomTom87 If you're unsure you'll like the game mechanics, such as the cardplay and all that, it is very much recommended to get only the base game. Especially if you're in a position to just walk into a game store and buy the campaign whenever you decide to.

  • @Tharukan
    @Tharukan 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    How important would you deem the language of the game? Trying to decide if I need this asap and preorder it in english or wait for the inevitable language release quite some time down the line. Me and my playgroup are quite capable in english but playing in your own language always is a bit more chill.

    • @Shazirah_Kaur
      @Shazirah_Kaur 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Language is important to read Guild, Lore, Vox, Events, Leader, etc. cards. This is a game where you will sometimes need to reach over to read that's the text of the court cards, etc. (At least until you mesmerize all the powers and such.)
      And they are nuanced. Most of them are ways to break or bend rules of the game.

    • @FBracht
      @FBracht 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      For base game, you'll be 100% fine with English cards. There isn't a lot of cards, they don't have a lot of text on them, many of the effects are similar to each other, and, most importantly: there is no hidden information. Every single card will hit the table first, at which point it can be explained to the players.
      For the campaign, this is still all true… except that there is a lot more cards.

  • @alxvdark
    @alxvdark 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Great review Tom. I feel I could tell from your description that it is not my group's cup of tea, despite having some interesting mechanisms. Which is important to convey, even in a review that's as glowingly positive as this one.

  • @DandyGuy12
    @DandyGuy12 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The VHS style Resourses and You bit was dope

  • @brandonrahhal6989
    @brandonrahhal6989 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I watched the whole video but I think I could’ve stopped at “trick taking space game” and still be enthralled

  • @fiftyfour2061
    @fiftyfour2061 6 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    A lot of this made me think of cosmic encounter with just a little more structure to hang things off.

  • @richsc21
    @richsc21 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I'm honestly just so delighted to see Tom *beaming*

  • @webaker
    @webaker 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I've only played the base game a couple times so far, but I think what it addressed in Cole's designs from Root and Oath (snappier turns, clear journey arcs -haha-) that you point out, particularly applied to grand strategy space games, is what I think I love MOST about this. I'm a play fast kind of board gamer and I think that --finally-- aligns well here

  • @rabidfurify
    @rabidfurify 7 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Not a game I was expecting to want to play, but you make it sound intriguing. My best interpretation so far would be "Scythe meets Brian Boru, with dice". My main issue there is the "with dice" part...

  • @farrellmcgeoghan7453
    @farrellmcgeoghan7453 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Tom, why have you stolen my favourite jacket? Give it back! Looking sharp though.

  • @garyv83
    @garyv83 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    A two-part review? Tom, a two-part review???
    I...I need to lie down.

  • @pathannage5231
    @pathannage5231 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Did I see some "the crew" cards at one point? Hilarious!

  • @nicolaspeters5980
    @nicolaspeters5980 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Alright alright im sold. I'll try playing the game with my group lol

  • @WesleyWomack
    @WesleyWomack 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Played this game last week and really enjoyed it. I can't wait to play it a few more times now that I know how it works.

  • @cobalt2672
    @cobalt2672 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    I must admit I was very close to being put off when you described one of the key ingredients as being "trick taking", but thankfully it seems to only have a small amount of that DNA. I'm very intrigued by this one! I'll probably pick this up over TI as my first proper 'space game'.

    • @dejavu_d
      @dejavu_d 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Action selection has trick-taking elements, instead of being a mechanism. That's one of the main points of discussion recently.

  • @ryanmassey3895
    @ryanmassey3895 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Is the feel of this game something like Eclipse meets Inis?

  • @St_M_
    @St_M_ 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    So, let me ARCS you a question...

  • @ericsmith9212
    @ericsmith9212 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Seems like an intriguing game,but looks like a beast to teach.

    • @saluk7419
      @saluk7419 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      The campaign is a lot for sure, but if you start with only the base game, without any of the add-ons, it's remarkably straightforward. (Much easier to understand than Root for example)

    • @FBracht
      @FBracht 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      It is actually not! If you're teaching a new player, you won't be playing the campaign and you won't be including Leaders & Lore, so the teach is 90% just describing the 7 or 8 actions on the cards and the flow of the trick-taking card play (the whole Lead, Surpass, Copy, Pivot thing). It's actually their easiest game to teach so far!
      After people have played one game, introducing Leaders and Lore is literally a 5 minute teach.
      And after both of these nice onramps, teaching the campaign-specific stuff takes about as long as the base game teach - at most.

  • @IronSalamander8
    @IronSalamander8 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    The 2 versions of Vast are still my favorite Leder games. I owned Root and Oath, kept Root for awhile, and Oath for a single game before selling them both. I had backed this but then pulled out as it was very uninspiring in its earlier stages of the campaign. Between your video here, and a local friend likely bringing it to a meetup, I'll have to give a try, and ascertain how well it works for us.

    • @Shazirah_Kaur
      @Shazirah_Kaur 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Hey, as someone who is Vast curious but can't decide on which to grab: which do you like best?

    • @IronSalamander8
      @IronSalamander8 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@Shazirah_Kaur Mysterious Manor is easier to teach, and has been slightly more popular with the game group. I think it's easier to find as well. I do like Crystal Caverns as well, and prefer the cavern role over the manor role, but I do feel manor may be a better starting point.

  • @RulebooksForYou
    @RulebooksForYou 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    40 games? Brah!

  • @willch1337
    @willch1337 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    So, I had completely forgotten that Leder Games was working on this and, after Tom opening saying this was his current favourite new game, I had one of those chills-down-the-back moments when I saw the box art, so distinct from Kyle Ferren and Leder Games. I'm a huge fan of both Root and Oath, and hearing SUSD sing its praises is definitely exciting!

  • @Sigma9870
    @Sigma9870 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    How long is typical game? Is it too heavy for a casual table?

    • @CarpeGuitarrem
      @CarpeGuitarrem 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Depends on how much people like to think about their turn. I find that individual turns can go very fast if people are willing to think fast, and that makes a game of base Arcs less than 2 hours. I also feel like this is a game where casual players will play pretty quickly, because an individual turn doesn't have many decisions to make--it's all about how those short turns add up over the course of a round.

    • @DandDPlaylists
      @DandDPlaylists 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Rulebook suggests 45 minutes per player for a first game and 30 minutes per for subsequent plays.

    • @chrisberkenbyrne4363
      @chrisberkenbyrne4363 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Its at the very least mid weight so probably too much for casual players. My 3 4 player games have all lasted at least 3 hours

  • @juhanraud9086
    @juhanraud9086 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Loved this! Can't wait for Part 2

  • @tonywoloszynek4021
    @tonywoloszynek4021 5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Yet another game I'd love to play that I know won't fit in my group

  • @nazokashii
    @nazokashii 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Really does seem like a lot of fun :D thank you for the review

  • @tonystrauss660
    @tonystrauss660 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Toms reviews are the best in the business

  • @ThePerfectBubble
    @ThePerfectBubble 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Took me a minute or two to realise you're playing the Satisfactory theme in the back ground 😅

  • @africknchickn_YT
    @africknchickn_YT 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

    2:22 142 seconds into the video "Okay we're gonna get right into it" lol

  • @OneBlueRhapsody
    @OneBlueRhapsody 7 วันที่ผ่านมา

    What sleeves do you use for cards?

  • @galopus2707
    @galopus2707 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Oh you can't do this to me

  • @jefff.2052
    @jefff.2052 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The intro had me intrigued, and the card play looked very interesting, but the further the video went and added more and more...I think this is too much for my brain to deal with enjoyably.

  • @Amras22520
    @Amras22520 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Looks awesome !
    I hope they plan to release a french version of the game !

  • @Ovetupp
    @Ovetupp 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    There seems to be more el grande in this box than I anticipated

  • @patrynize
    @patrynize 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +12

    I own all but Oath from Leder and man...ARCS is by far their best. And I love love love Root, but this game is incredible.

    • @FBracht
      @FBracht 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I own all Leder games (except Ahoy), AND I own both of Cole's non-Leder games, AND I have been loudly proclaiming for the past 3 or 4 years that Root is the best board game of all time, AND… I genuinely think Arcs is their best game yet.

    • @patrynize
      @patrynize 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@FBracht I can’t wait to get into campaign. I’ve done three two player games. With all lore and stuff. It’s just so good.

    • @FBracht
      @FBracht 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@patrynize I honestly have no idea which part of the game is better, if it's base or campaign. It's all so great, and for such different reasons. Base game scratches that Root itch for a competitive, cut-throat game you get really ecstatic when you win. Campaign game scratches an Oath itch that Oath itself failed to scratch.

  • @thomasromanelli2561
    @thomasromanelli2561 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    I'm awaiting Tom's thoughts in Part2, but would like to share a comment here for this excellent review. Comparing the "index space games" at the beginning of this video, TI4 is merely augmented by Prophecy of Kings expansion content rather than significantly transformed by it. This is why I think that the "expansion" label for the Blighted Reach content is a little bit of a misleading term, as the rule set and sequence of play creates a very distinct experience from the base game (perhaps akin to changing the engine in an old chassis- many things feel similar but the "ride" is different). Having said that, I would be hard-pressed to think of a more appropriate title other than "The Blighted Reach: A Campaign in the Arcs Universe".

    • @Confoundedjoe
      @Confoundedjoe 8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I would compare it to pandemic legacy season 0. Base mechanics are the same but how they are used is quite different.

  • @mnm1273
    @mnm1273 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    BEST wow, that's the highest praise. I guess I'll need to try it out.

  • @Kufunninapuh
    @Kufunninapuh 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    The first versions of the map was almost enough to scare me from backing the game. The final map on the other hand is absolutely gorgeous in my opinion and I can't wait for my Kickstarter copy to arrive!

  • @andyn2854
    @andyn2854 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The fuel cartel is such a great Dune reference. Looks like a Maker and works like a Dune faction.

  • @benoitbourque344
    @benoitbourque344 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You know the game is gold when Tom sleeves it. We love you guys, smashing video and fantastic game!

  • @republikadugave420
    @republikadugave420 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Cole Wherle designs are just a breath of fresh air

  • @Poet8794
    @Poet8794 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Looking forward to it ♥️ love you guys, stay true 🍻

  • @CopperLontra
    @CopperLontra 8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Tom your point about games feeling temporary or disposable couldn't be more will timed for me. 3 minute board game reviews recently spoke about this feeling and it struck me, now here you are repeating it. Even though the games we own physically last a lifetime or longer they seem to expire in our awareness. Buy the new thing, maybe play it twice, put it on the shelf for 3 years and then sell or trade. Novelty is more valued than mastery when consumerism runs the hobby. I'm hoping that Arcs can challenge that, at least in my group.