Cam Shootout Series | Part 3 Big Bore 124 & 128 Cam Comparison with M8 Stock Heads
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 22 ก.ค. 2024
- It's finally here! The Big Bore 124 & 128 Cam Comparison. Jamie, Mike, and Aaron go through multiple setups all featuring M8 Stock Heads. See the Timecode section below to see the many different topics discussed in the video.
Chapters
0:00 It Begins
0:23 | Intro to Shootout
1:55 | 128 S&S 475 with Moonshine Exhaust
3:38 | 128 Moonshine Horsepower 492 D&D Big Bore
4:47 | Intake Manifold Discussion
5:48 | 128 521R D&D Billet Cat & Comparison
7:08 | 128 521R vs S&S 475 vs 492
8:52 | 128 Feuling 538R 55m D&D Big Bore
9:30 | 128 Comp Cam 472
11:00 | Softail 128 Cam Comparison 521R with Thrashin Pipe
13:00 | Horsepower Discussion
14:20 | Softail 521R Shorter Exhaust VS Touring 521R Longer Exhaust
16:00 | Exhaust Recommendations
17:30 | Touring Bike Exhaust Discussion
18:07 | Four 124 S&S 475 with Different Exhausts Comparison
19:00 | 128's 521R with Different Exhausts Comparison 55mm vs 62mm
21:07 | 128 521 D&D with Thundermax ECM & Tuner Discussion
22:10 | 2020 CVO 128 475 55mm with Moonshine Exhaust WITH RDRS
23:20 | 538 and beyond discussion
23:48 | Counter Balancer Discussion
24:35 | 128 Graph with Counter Balancer Removed and With OVER TIME
26:00 | Taking the Balancer Out Discussion
26:40 | Fuel Mileage with Big Builds Discussion
30:31 | Harley 131 Discussion
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You guys are awesome. Can't wait till my SG is on the table.
Another great and informative video!! Keep em coming!!!!🤘🏻
Great information! You all are the best Harley-Davidson dealership providing this type of information and service. Kudos to you three and your staff/team for putting out solid content.
And thanks for the video!!! Found you guys and now subscribed!!
WOW!!! I'm glad I watched this!! I'm currently shopping for my second touring bike and wasn't really feeling the 131's torq specs (which we can't get in Cali). I'll wait and am excited for the next video comparison with the heads to make my final decision.
I think this is the best video of the 124/128 technical data at this time. The numbers do not lie. The fact that you guys have put the time into this speaks volume of the professionals you are. We will be in touch soon for our 21 Road Glide Limited.
(It's me again) Great video gents! I'm looking forward to the shootout with performance heads and intake!
Great video. Y'all answered some of questions.
I could listen to you guys all day.
You nailed it Mike about torque vs horsepower on a V Twin
great video guys, thanks for sharing. Cheers
Beautiful show
Great information guys and awesome comic relief. 😂😂😂👍
Thanks!
Good video and alot of great information. Thanks guys
I appreciate the information I think you might have just convinced me on the 128👍
Dudes. Like I was thinking about my 95" s@s twin cam . Runs great loaded ! 14THOU klm . Last year
For all you guys that can’t afford Moonshines engine upgrades try this......
Rode my Electra glide standard 107 up to them from Florida in May. They put S&S 465G cam chest kit, fulsac headers, power vision
Tuner, and I just put TAB BAM stick mufflers on for sound.
Now running 101 HP and 120 Tork!
Now I have the power and sound!
Thanks Moonshine!
Hell Yeah!!! Thanks for the trusting us with your Harley.
You should change to a T-man Cam. I have a T-man cam in my 107 factory Tuner ECM S&S head pipes, Arlen & ness big mouth sucker air filter. my horsepower is 113 and my toque 130. But I must also note I do have headwork and a Zippers chain drive with a bigger sprocket, Energy one clutches and a racing clutch basket on my Street glide. Its My 1st Harley so I still like to Walk it like a street bike, Some people frown on me for picking my bike up Alot! (Power Wheelie) I do NOT have to use the clutch to pick my bike up in 1st and 2nd gear. My Cam turns on at 2700 Rpm Instant Power!!! These guys are So right on Everything; Torque is way better than Horsepower Believe me!💪🙈
What did it cost?
$4,800 for everything except the Bam Sticks.....I put them on 3 weeks after I got back
Jeffrey Carroll 4800?! Is that everything? I did a similar set up to you on my 2020, But mine only came out to 2.8k all said and done. I got a woods 22x-e cam, ss lifters, cuffs, and pushrods. Fuel Moto 2-1-2 head pipe, and a dyno tune. Made 115 TQ and 109HP. I didn’t do the ss cam plate and oil pump upgrade though. Bike had a air intake and khromewerks slip ons when I got it.
Can’t wait for the next video. Best Harley content.
Awesome content
I’m going to call and ask for a 131 now.
Looking forward to seeing what my 550 will do on the Dyno at the end of the month.
Absolutely correct about the fuel mileage, riding to work and home I get 30-35mpg, on a road trip running 70-80mph I get stock mileage.
Love seeing your guys videos great information definitely learn A lot from your video keep them coming!!! 👍🏻 Question is screaming eagle any good?? I have S.E. On my 16FLSS. K&N filter, S.E.Street Cannons, S.E & a auto smart tuner. I went to put S.E. 585 cams on but H-D dealer couldn’t put them on apparently it’s illegal in California 🤦🏻♂️ I would either have to go to Nevada or Arizona to have them installed.
Awesome videos, been watching all week. When is the ported head big cam shootout coming?
love your content and education so that we can make an informed decision on upgrading our Harleys. Have you checked out the Fueling 3 valve heads?
Aaron mentioned Dakota Digital instruments and I looked them up. I immediately bought a MLX-3000 Series for my ‘18 FXFB.
They are nice!
Great video!!!! One question, with that kind of power those big bore are making. Do I need to upgrade the oil cooler? More power more heat.
Very nice
As I'm in Europe, I can't take my bike to Moonshine. So I got a Fuel Moto 128" (same as S&S but with a FM badge) 10.75:1 kit with their Wood WM8-22X-E cam, DynoJet PV w/ Target Tune, 5.5g/s injectors, Feuling RS plate and pump, Wood lifters, SE 64mm throttle body w/ Ward ported manifold, Feuling valve springs, SE Heavy Breather Extreme A/C, Jackpot 2-1-2 headers and Hi Roller mufflers, Dark Horse comp, and Barnett Scorpion Lock-up clutch.
Motor still needs to be built though, so no numbers yet, but I should expect 130+ HP, and 140+ TQ.
you guys are rockin it , one question why dont you use any tman cams like the 4059 for a 128 build
How does that 55mm intake set up work on a stage 2 114?
Great video as usual, guys. Thanks!
Would like to see s&s 550 cam with 131 configurations...for max tq and hp...great videos
Does the 492 cam require new valve springs ? Thank you and I love your videos
Is it more expensive to upgrade to a 131 harley or 128 moonshine? And how long is build time for 128
If I was in the states I’d get you guys to build my bike for sure but I’m in Australia. Building a S&S 128 into my 2020 RGS, all the goodies but stock heads for now. I’ve gone with a CR480 cam and deciding between D&D Billet Cat and Bassani RR3 mid (for looks). Am I on the right track in your opinion?
Kudos on all the work you guys do with the trial and error. I'm not made of money so the Harley 131 sounds like a better solution. My 17 SGS is in the shop now because of the oil sumping issue at 30,000 miles. A badly engineered oil pump from the factory jacked up the entire engine. If I hadn't got the Extended Service Plan, I would be looking at thousands of dollars in repair costs. I am going with the Harley 128 Stage kit, get it covered under the ESP and if I have any more issues I am going to sell and go buy a Goldwing, Indian or BMW.
It’ll be nice to get the extra power. We would advise to upgrade to the S&S or Feuling oil pump and plate. They are both superior to the Harley one, the Harley one will do the job but the other two mentioned will do it better.
I guess you could buy a BMW but they are repaired more the H-D. If you are about to buy the Goldwing just buy a new car as they are pretty much the same thing. The Indian is the closest to the harley but why buy the imitation when you have the real thing?
@@MoonshineHarley Several folks in my HOG Chapter have gotten over 130,000 miles with the twin cam running original equipment. That's what I was expecting from the M8. I have had nothing but problems with this engine starting literally from riding off the lot. The dealerships have been great with service but they can only work with what they got and I don't have $$$ to throw away.
@@mojomanmurph1925 I have not hear on that many issues on the M8 overall unless its been built shitty frankly. I have Buddys that are well over 50k already and no issues. Makes me think it was a Saturday built engine possibly ? Whats been the main issue on your bike?
Can you make a comparison between the fullsac headpipes and the d&d xcat.
I have a breakout 114, can I install a 128ci bore kit with the stock can and springs? I know that is not the best configuration but I want to know if it’s something damaged if I do that…. I’ll install 590 cam and oil pump in the future.
Do you guys think the 475 S&S cam is better than a WM8 22XE. Bob woods cam in a 114. Or 128 stock headset
So I have a 2019 Road King Special 114 with SE stage I. I want to upgrade to stage II, I’ve been looking at the SE515 cam. And keeping the rest stock parts. I only say SE parts as I want to maintain my extended warranty (Active duty military) and I move around a lot (having that piece of mind helps)
My question is besides the valve springs and the cam what else should I upgrade ( plan on doing a self install and having the dealership retune the bike)
you did not mention which big bore kit's your using eg. Harley Screaming Eagle, fuel moto, S&S -or the compression ratio ? i'm in western Canada and there is no way i could bring my bike there-my bike is a 2019 FXBB street bob 107 I want to do a 124ci with the 475 cam looking for 145tq ,thanks love your channel
What's your thoughts on a 64mm throttle body with a 128 and a t man 3262/ 590 cam stage two heads from zippers and d&d xcat 2into 2 head pipe. ???
Company I work for is talking about moving me to Franklin TN and my first thought is how far is that from Moonshine Harley.... bout10 mins hell ya 👍👍😁
Hell Yeah!
Nice comparison gents.. i hope some day you give Jim's VTwin Performance cams a try.
I’ve been saying this for a while. I’ve seen some impressive number from them.
@@merlinphumc69 I have one of their cams and LOVE it. Best cam I have ever had. Sounds fantastic at idle too
Was laughing at through the first half of the video seeing Mike wearing a shirt with Jamie on it. Midway through it's covered with blue tape
Are y’all tuning frame stabilizers? If so which one?
Did you ever do part 4 for the builds with heads done?
Any results on cam shoot out with higher lift like 588 605 cam?
What tuner are u guys using on all of these builds?
How does the S&S superstreet exhaust do on built motors?
Horse power is how fast the torque works its magic
The 521 your talking about is that the feuling 521?
Why does the horsepower and torque cross at 4700 rpm instead of 5250?
Why don't you guys use the s&s 55o cam? I have a low rider and if i got to spend all this money i want a cam that sounds hot! What do you recommend?
Need that for 103
What sort of money are we talking to go from stock 114 fat bob to 128?
This is an amazingly informative video!
Thank you for the time and effort you gents put into shooting and testing.
Ive got 11:1 120ci Pistons and Feuling 508 cam. (S&S oil pump springs rods etc) and 55m SE manifold going into my build. Stock heads Supertrapp/Scremin Eagle exhaust.
Is the 508 cam a good choice for this setup? Sadly there isnt much info about the cam.
What experience do you have with the 508?
We run the 508 on our 114 and 117 high compression engine but switch to the Feuling 521 or 538 on larger displacement setups. Is there still time to go to 11.4:1? You can most likely do the increased compression with a thinner head gasket.
@@MoonshineHarley
Thanks for replying!
Yeah i will be using a 0.030 MLS headgasket if thats any help.
I should be okay then with the 508 then as 120 is near stock displacement right?
Awesome videos guys thank you for all the work you put in. Have you tested the Khrome Werks full exhaust? I know the MX and D&D are great, I just like the look of the “eclipse chrome” that Khrome Werks does. Are the 2-2 or 2-1 Khrome Werks full exhaust systems good for the 114 comparatively speaking? Thanks again for the awesome work!
We use the 2:2 Khrome Werks exhaust on large displacement engines with ported heads. It’s a big exhaust system and performs very well on that setup. For a 114 we would run the Two step 2:1 Khrome Weeks system as it’s a great setup. They also have a triple step 2:1 and it’s for a 114 with high compression and a larger cam. Hope this helps.
Moonshine Harley yes that answered my question thanks! I know you had minimal info about my bike so I appreciate the response.
What’s the 492 cam spec. It’s bad ass. Thank you
Horsepower is a function of your torque and engine RPM. Hence why cams that make their torque down low have less Hp than a cam that makes its torque higher in the RPM range.
HAVE YOU USED THE WM8-408 ,WM8-4860 CAMS AND WHAT WERE YOUR ###'S ???
I’ve been thinking about ditching my SnS 550 cam for something with more torque. It comes on about 2800-3000, been thinking about the 521 or 538. My bike is a 124 with Fuel Motos ported heads, SE 64, Ward CNC manifold, and D&D standard bore billet cat
S&S really needs to come out with something between the 550 and the 475.
What cam did you end up going with? Similar build as yours and looking at the feuling 538
So a tech question for Moonshine. Does the sleeper concept(s&s475 w/ moonshine exhaust) apply to the softails as well? Or, is it because of the exhaust and the set up of softails that would make this type of power not apply to the softails(I own a lowrider S, RS472 cam, bassani prostreets, 130tq and 113hp). Just curious.
We have lots of different setups for the low Ride S. It depends on what you would like. Here they are, 128, 130, 131 Stroker, 133 Stroker, 135. We have a Moonshine HP 2:1 anti reversion we run on softails. They come in Black, Raw Stainless and Polished Stainless. If you like to know more please call
615-274-4170 ask for Jamie, Nick or Aaron.
What is the price to get a 107 to a 143
A few years down the road I’m going to get a Roadglide from you guys and have you guys do the 128.
Awesome! Thanks for the support. We won’t disappoint.
Good video. Have you guys done much with TBR exhausts? Specifically the comp s? I have it on my bike and love it overall.
We have and it has a graph similar to the one in our video that’s highlighted as short exhaust. Makes good top end but you loose a lot of TQ and HP under 3,500 - 4,000. With that said if you always in the 3,500 plus rpm’s it’s great! If you are running in an RPM range that’s less you can pick up some good gains by swapping exhaust.
Moonshine Harley that’s exactly why I switched from a TBR comp to the Thrashin AR. TBR just doesn’t make the power where most people ride
134ci factory today 2020 is true?
S&S 550 vs 475 with 4.625 stroke 4.280 Bore stock heads 55mm or 62mm
You referenced the moonshine exhaust package a few times. Will you elaborate what parts you use?
The Moonshine Exhaust in this video is our hand Tig welded stainless steal head pipe. It is 2 into a X chamber and back into 2 we pair with Khrome Werks mufflers with one of the baffles we have designed. We also have a Anti Reversion Chamber Exhaust System which is a 2 into 1 and there is an options for a false pipe so you can have the dual look if
preferred. We will do a video and both of these exhaust systems later this year.
What about burns stainless side dump
Great information and much appreciated. I watched the entire vid but maybe I missed it, did you have to do injector upgrades for any of these builds?
We always increase the injectors on these larger cubed builds. Typically 6.1 - 6.3 grams a second with stock heads.
What are your thots on s&s540 in a 128 for a 19 flhtk?
I have a stage 3 Screamin Eagle kit on my 2018 Fat Bob, would a Thrashin AR exhaust match well with the Screamin Eagle Round Extreme-Flow Air Cleaner? Will I need the Smart Tune Pro since I live in the mountains?
The AR pipe would be a great choice and we would recommend it if you came to us. We would still advise you to go with one of the tuners we went over in the video.
A motor converts electrical energy into mechanical energy while an engine converts various other forms of energy to mechanical energy.
An engine is a mechanical device that uses a fuel source to create an output.
We know! The only problem is Motor sounds better than Engine when you talk about it so we use MOTOR even though its incorrect. Our base doesn't mind use doing so. Thanks for the definition and knowledge.
Another “da shit” vid , great job 👍🏾
Great Videos! I’ve learned so much from you guys! I have a question. What cam would you recommend for Max torque/HP and touring reliability using using 124 Rev Perf Cylinders, SE Heads, and D&D Billet Cat? I currently have a Wood wm8-408 and it seems to be beating up my valve train (Valve noise, noisy lifter, TB reversion, etc). About to go In and sure things up. Any feedback on Cam choice would be greatly appreciated!
Jonathan S. Banks Email me your phone number and I’ll have Jamie call you.
Horsepower@moonshineharley.com
Moonshine Harley Telephone number sent! Thank you very much!
Do you guys sell kits for your customers to put together themselves or have local shops put together for them? I’m looking for a 128” set up for my 2018 street glide special. Looking for great power and torque with a good sounding exhaust. Right now it only has a stage 1, with rineharts
ALL THE TIME! please send call the shop and ask for Jamie or Aaron 615-274-4170 or send us an email to horsepower@moonshineharley.com
@moonshine harley, dumb question, does your 124/128 upgrades come with any warranty?? I just bought my 2020 RGS and new bike, don’t mind spending the money on a setup, but can’t do a new setup and possible issues later. $$$ decent but not rich. Lol. Thanks -Brion
We will warranty our engine build until
your factory warranty expires. So if you just purchased your Road Glide S well warranty it for the two years. If you are out of the factory period we will warranty it for 6 months. We are also really close to launching our own extended coverage that will cover pretty much any upgrade. We will go over more when you contact our team. Please call the shop when you’re ready and ask for Jamie or Aaron 615-274-4170
@Moonshine Harley I have a 2018 Heritage 114. Factory warranty runs out on Sept. 24. But, I have a Discount ESP warranty that begins when the factory warranty runs out. The Discount ESP warranty is not voided if you use aftermarket parts or tuners, but it doesn't cover those parts. It covers the bike itself and any H-D/Screaming Eagle parts. This means I can use a PowerVision, aftermarket air cleaner, pipes, and those specific items aren't covered but the engine is covered as long as I use the H-D 131 kit. I am referring to the new (Sept 2020) Softail 131 kit. Laying all that out in some detail to avoid misunderstandings. Because of how my warranty works, I would rather use the H-D 131 than an S&S 128. I am in North Carolina about 8 hours from Nashville TN.
My question is, is there a body of knowledge of what I can do to maximize the 131 while maintaining reliability? I have a K&H/FuelMoto AC already installed that advertises 80% greater airflow than stock, and says it's "dyno proven" to support 150HP applications. It is based on a K&H Sidedraft but modified for FM to keep the OE outer plate. So I think I'm good there, though tell me if I'm wrong. I am planning to get D&D Fat Cat pipes. I have a PowerVision that I'd plan to use for tuning. I haven't seen any info about cam options for this kit (other than the one it comes with), so that's my main question, along with anything I did NOT ask about but should have. Thanks for any suggestions!
Keith Jordan please send us an email
with a good phone number to contact you on. horsepower@moonshineharley.com
Lots of info to go over.
You guys have the best information for performance to your Harley. In time I plan on buying a Road Glide Special with the114. What do you recommend to get at least 125 hp and about 135 torque. All across. Riding would be in city and with road trips.
Thank you and Yes. Call Aaron or Jamie when you are ready 615-274-4170. If we build your bike at purchase we’ll warranty the engine for two years for you. We also pick up and ship bikes all over the country. It depends on when you do the build because new parts are clmnn in NC out every six months. We just got our new Moonshine 55mm Plus intake manifold completed. Testing and video soon on it.
Where in TN are you guys located?
@@MrCRM2011 Franklin, TN, Just south of Nashville
When I make that purchase I will be in touch. I’m in Memphis TN. Thanks guys
A 124 or 128 with an S&S 475, k&n extreme flow air cleaner, and good tune will get you there.
I'm not surprised about cam performance after the came shootout. Displacement usually multiplys power. The difference really would have changed if the heads flowed better. sorry if that's redundant
We’ll have a ported
Head M8 Big Bore video in the up coming months.
@@MoonshineHarley hell ya, love your guys' channel no bullshit and not all go team. If I wasn't ballin' on a budget I'd ring ya'll and get my freeway flyer some real juice.
For myself, I'm a little confused, and 'let down,' by HD.
I just purchased an '04,' Heritage Softail, "88." It's all stock, and as far as I can tell, 'all original.' Right down to the leaky O ring on the clutch cable, I will be replacing this week...
I've ridden the bike less than 300 miles in this past month, and you don't even want to know the $$$ I've already put into it, for parts, tools, oils, etc., and ofcourse, the monthly payment to the bank!
There seems to be few people happy with anything "stock," on an HD and it's usually for 2 reasons...
First, most experienced HD riders always want more power, torque, and sound. "Bigger is bader," seems to be the moto. "You just gotta step it up to the next biggest, baddest... Thing!"
And I get that to a point. Like shoes, you outgrow your first ones and you are ready for the next bigger size.
Secondly, and more importantly...
It would appear that a stock HD engine is, in a nutshell, "CRAP!"
I have listened to many people, who tell you of everything that can and does go wrong with stock engines and parts, from twisting crankshafts (crankshaft runout), terrible plastic shoes on chain tensioners, the poor design of the "tapered connecting rods," cam and tappet "hardness glaze," coming off, Cam plate and oil pump destruction, Cam bearing wearout, on and on, etc., etc...
But because HD is such an 'Icon,' (Although it's 'less American made' nowadays), in the US and the world for that matter, there has become this, "Aftermarket culture," where everyone feeds on the fact that HDs in stock configuration are cheap, flimsy, poorly designed money pits.
And the aftermarket feeds on this like hungry piranha, on all the meat, in a man's wallet!
In the end, what I get from all of this, is that if you spend the $24K+, for a new HD, no matter the size engine, or you get a used bike... Just go ahead and plan on spending double the $$$ to have the engine and tranny rebuilt with better made, aftermarket parts. Or replaced, all together, for something built better, with better parts, better design, and built the way America used to build a lot of things...
Better power, better torque, better sound, will only be achieved, by how much money one is willing to feed to the aftermarket piranha!
When I say "Piranha," that's not a term I mean entirely negatively. Take these fellows at Moonshine HD.
They are all about the numbers... They eat, sleep, shit, puke, numbers all day long!
It's like a secret society, speaking in riddles and codes! LOL
But they have created a living from doing what they do... They pay their bills, feed their families, and have established a reputation, for the work they do.
And for their efforts, they have become just a few of the school of piranha, that take a crappy, stock bike, and turn it into what dreams the owner may have for it.
"But dreams ain't free and they ain't cheap!"
And along with Moonshine HD, there are literally hundreds, if not thousands of aftermarket products, some great, some not so much, but ALL part of the piranha schools out there, just waiting for someone to step into the tepid waters of the HD world!
James Lanning it’s an American obsession!!! Bigger, faster, stronger.
Who wants slow or stock Camaro?
Who wants slow or stock Mustang?
Why do people make diesel truck have 800-1000hp.
AMERICA!!!
When the USA shows up to the Olympics we win. It’s in our blood and trained by our culture.
Do you have any experience with the Chris Rivas 474 and/or 544 cam? Leaning towards an S&S 124 build with head work and the 544.
We haven’t got a chance to run the 544 yet. You would have to pair it with ported heads and not the Harley ones. If you’d like us to setup a pair a heads with some other parts for your build please call the shop and ask for Jamie 615-274-4170
So you guys mentioned the larger cams can have a significant drop in TQ down low on the smaller bikes with shorter exhausts.
I ride a 19 low rider with a bassani 2 into 1, and am hoping to upgrade my 107 to a 124. What cam do you suggest i use? Something like the 475? Im not planning on changing heads or throttle body.
Elusive Sambar we have several different options. We like to pair our 492 with the 124 or 128 but if you’re staying with stock compression we would do a 465 or 468. If you email me at Horsepower@moonshineharley.com I’ll send you some comparison dyno graphs.
What TB would i match with my Softail 475 /128? Stock55; se55; se64? The uk tuners just don't have your experience.. Cheers.
SE 55 would be the easiest for you to get in the UK. It’ll work great.
Now I'm wondering how well the 55aluminium Manifold works with the Wood 22X cam.
The 22X cam was the stock lift one that after looking the graphs gave the most gains at every RPM below 4700RPM.
I was gonna go with the 475c, but like Mike said, HP doesnt even come into play at 5250RPM, so the 22X was the queen of the stock lift cams.
But I have no idea how it'd react to that 55mm Aluminium manifold.
I was lookin to get it in the future just to replace the plastic stock one.
The 22x isn’t a stock lift cam. It was included in our Cam Shootout Series Part 1 which we compared .470 - .480 lift cams on a High Compression 117 M8.
What bike are you planing this build for? What size M8? What compression ratio?
We would need that info to help. It might be easier to call the shop and ask for Jamie 615-274-4170
@@MoonshineHarley By stock lift I mean it works with stock springs.
Wood 22X is one of the bolt in Cams that doesnt need any spring upgrades, so I was looking at that one since I dont wanna mess with the heads at all.
FuelMoto did a comparison of it in their 114 Cam shoot out.
Size of the engine? just a stock 114 Stage2. Same engine that fuelmoto tested on.
university.fuelmotousa.com/article/h-d-milwaukee-eight-114-softail-camshaft-shootout/
I'm just wondering how the aluminium 55mm would affect the torque in a stage 2 114.
When will the video with CNC heads and larger cams be out? What power level do you recommend putting in the fueling head studs?
Exactly as I have the 128" Stage 4 but want to get more, especially low end torque. Would like to be able to wheelie away on take off just by twisting throttle. I have had 83, 80" shovel easiest wheelie ever, then a 91 80" evo that was close to the shovel. My 128" won't do that. Yes wheel pops up but back down just as fast....
What about the 135..🤔
@thiscrazyride when will you guys do a shootout of the big boys? (new S&S 540, S&S 590, RS548, RS552, Reaper 590)
We will cove all of those cam and the larger one that need higher compression than the cam you referenced.
Dallas Harley Davidson just put a 131 on a heritage softail a few days ago
Percy Robinson It can be done but it wouldn’t be covered by Harley’s warranty since they don’t have a part number design for the softail line yet. In that case you should opt for a combination that makes more HP. Let us know if you have any questions.
Moonshine Harley , will do. I’m still nursing a broken ankle from my motorcycle accident back in October.. but when I get my sport glide I’ll be coming to you guys to do everything. Tell me, should I get the warranty when I buy the bike?
ARE THE CRATE 131 CYLINDER WALLS BETTER THAN ,DROP IN KITS , OR THE SAME ?????? THANKS !!
Malcolm Williams The Same.
How do you like the s&s 2-1 pipe for a 124” d Softtail?
Haven’t tested it yet.
So 475 Cam is a winner ?
Great Vid !
Just an FYI...On the graph printouts, Using 2 color combinations like red copy and black shade or outline make it difficult to read on a phone screen. It blurs it out.
is the 472 a torque or power cam for the 114 m8?
Power
You touched on reliability of the 124/128 builds (s&s 124 550 cam), what are you seeing for reliability?
If its installed correctly its stronger than OEM.
My 124 with the CR482 cam making 130tq from 2k.
Can’t believe that Harley 131 takes til 4k or whatever to make that. That’s so messed up
So obviously I have missed something at some point ..... why are you getting so much more power out of the m8 in baggers vs the soft tails or did I miss understand the info...?
Softail typically use shorter pipes which sacrifice number in the lower RPM’s.
Moonshine Harley the pipe alone can make almost 50hp difference and over 20tq? So that being said on a Softail chassis would it be better to shoot for a longer pipe? Say bassani , V&H pro pipe , thunder header etc who have a longer 2-1 option ?
David Oakley We’ll get the right pipe for
Your build. Please call us so we can match the pipe to you bike and motor. Jamie or Aaron 615-274-4170
I wonder how the star racing 30 30 cm would do with the 128 setup with stock heads
Torque Monster. We have done several of them.
then why does S&S sell the 128 kits with a 550 cam? does it mean that you have to big different heads for that 550 cam?
The 550 responds great with a pair of ported heads. Without the ported heads it hits soft on the lower RPM’s.
Mike looks like he worked 100hours the last week
Every week!!!