I run a hpi 62mm throttle body and intake with 5.5 injectors on a 114. It has a redshift 468 cam. And a d&d billet cat big bore baffle. Torque curve is flat as a table top. 119/133 numbers. The dyno tuner said it wouldn’t work. He was blown away at the results. He said he thought the bike had a 124 in it.
Very educational videos guys! Got my parts from Aaron for my 117 stage 2 build and it’s on the lift. I appreciated all the research you do and share for free. I feel you steered me in the right direction with the 485 cam and can’t wait to open that 64mm tb. Thumbs up!
@@shawn9878 I’m not sure if there are several, Aaron chose it and sent it. Bike is done and it rips really nice! That cam produces really nice roll-on power (or LET-IT-RIP POWER) on any gear to 6000+ rpms!
@Dexter Suarez It turned out nice, quick with good roll-on power. I haven’t ran into someone with a 131 or bigger that wants to rip so I can’t compare but it’s quick. Also have a stage 2 107 that was pulling away from when this 117 was stock, now I can pull away fairly easy. Close to 140 torque based on dyno.
There are zero videos out there with this configuration I’m on the fence about going with this build it would be nice to see a video on it I would like to hear what the loop sounds like on the cam
Another awesome video presenting what’s new , thanks for the info. Hey can you guys do a full exhaust comparing D&D , Khrome Werks and maybe another full exhaust on a performance bagger no one has done a good comparison yet for 2022.
Another cool video! I know you guys recommend your 485 cam paired with the 64mm throttle body for a 114 stage 2. I'm not clear watching from 3:20 - would you recommend the 64mm TB over the 55mm here regardless of cam choice (I mean sensible alternatives)?
Awesome....Lance...you should raffle off next yr for 2 customers to tag along all expenses paid. Colorado Grille & Tap House looked ghetto. Road kill burgers. Lol Silver Dollar Saloon looked like a time machine. The night footage was cool Thanks for bringing us along! Ride safe
With the se 64mm throttle body a factory air filter won’t bolt up to the breather holes and throttle body right? Have to buy a se filter or something like that right?
Have you had any experience with the 64/64 setup on woods 777 or 22x series cams. Positive or otherwise. It seems like you guys have put together a good package but I was hoping to see similar benefits without changing my cam again.
@moonshineharley Would the Harley 64mm throttle body and manifold benefit a 21 road glide 114 with S&S 475cam with oil pump and cam plate with a Bassani road rage 3 mid length?
On your stage 2 with the 64 mm with a S&S 475?cam and 2 into 1 exhaust. What kind of numbers should you be getting? This is on a 114 M8. And would you recommend 5.5 injectors. If how much would this affect fuel mileage. Thanks Buck
2021 FatBob 114 I want to go with the 64 mm intake and manifold with the RK-3952 K&N Football intake vance and Hines pro pipe two to one should I also change my 02 sensors to wide band ?
Would you recommend replacing fuel injectors as well with the 64mm throttle body and intake manifold? I have a stage 2 S&S 475 Cam Chest Kit, HPI exhaust and intake. Thank you.
Update: I went on and installed 64mm throttle body and manifold with 5.5 g/sec injectors paired with complete stage two….. oh man!!! Runs great!! Highly recommended!
great explanation guys i have a better undersstanding i have a 2022 street glide st i just wanted to know what i could put in from a good intake manifold an throttle body on my bike to give it a little more pep...
Would the 64mm kit work great for the 117 Stage 2? Got a RGST with stage 2 on it and was going to just go with a better 55mm but now thinking the 64mm. Any insight on that @moonshine
It does. Running the exact same setup on my ST Stage 2. The bike loves the extra air trapping when combined with some good 6.2 GMR injectors, my F35A cam and a Stealth Turnout. 140/140 on the dyno
I have a 2022 114 SHS with a S&S 465 cam with the S&S throttle body. I the cam making 107 hp and 118 foot pounds of torque. I am looking for more mid to high with out giving up the low end torque. What would a 64mm throttle body kit do for me with this set up?
You say later that you run the 64 with throttlebody on 128, but early on it's suggestive they can be run on stock displacement like a 107 or 114. Not exactly direct.
A lot of good info here. I went 122 Stage III on a ‘21 M8. It would have the 447 cam I think. Also went with the oil pump and cam plate upgrade and the Heavy Breather Extreme. The intake is currently factory. Is the 55 aluminium or even 64 / throttle body and injectors worth my while or am I just going to harm my torque?
117 fxlrst with soundtrapp fatshot, 475c w kit and s&s teardrop. I’m having it dynoed next week. Buying a manifold w throttle body is a couple of months away. Will I benefit much? Or should I prioritise it down in favor for other upgrades?
will 114 with stage 2 462 cam will it benefit from 64mm and if so how do enable 64mm throttle body with the street pro tuner screaming eagle software with a stage 2 do that is intended for a stage 4?
You will definitely get what you pay for but it’s not cheap. From everything I’ve seen Moonshine kits are built to be as reliable as possible so you can ride it like a stock bike. If reliability wasn’t their biggest concern I bet they could get 200+ HP with out a power adder but it wouldn’t be something you could just ride anywhere any time.
I’ve got a stage 2 114 breakout with the woods 22x cam with 113/129 to the ground Going bigger on my manifold and throttle body is guaranteed 10 horse? What about bigger injectors?
2024 M8 , 117'' build ; exhaust so many I like HPi to much $$$$ , SP like it , cam 30-30 or F35A ? , 64mm TB what manifold ? stock heads, what air intake? tnx
Hello Moonshine Techs, I appreciate your overview on the intake manifold and throttle bodies for HD. I purchased a 2020 Breakout 114cu and had a SE Stage 3 installed. The HD technician at that time discouraged me not to include a 55mm or 64mm intake with my upgrade. However, after reviewing your video re: throttle bodies, I’d like reconsider my initial plan. Given what I currently have (stage 3), what intake & throttle body would you recommend I install?
Greatly appreciated, love your vids. Just an FYI, I live on Hawaii Island (Big Island). The HD dealership on this island closed for business. It’s difficult finding certified HD mechanics to service my bike.
I have a question. What’s the throttle body you’re using for the 64mm stage 2. You say you sell them together. I looked on your page and didn’t see them? I only see the ported manifold. I need the tb also
what about torque? Do these larger manifolds and throttle bodies sacrifice torque to get the HP gains. I dont rev hard and looking for low end torque over high end HP. Thank you.
We have not experienced lower end torque loss with running the 64mm on the set ups we explained. Our MHP-485 cam on a 107 and 114 benefits through the entire torque curve from the 64mm/64mm setup.
What size injectors do you use with the stage 2 builds and the SE 64mm throttle body/intake? I have the RS468 cam, Khrome Werks 2:1 and HD ventilator extreme intake on 2021 road glide limited.
Would you suggest running a 64mm throttle body and intake with a red shift 468, dand big bore exhaust and a Thundermax tuner? For a 2022 road glide st 117.
Great videos you make! I just bought a 2022 street glide st . Am waiting on it for delivery . I was wondering is there a way to tune a stage 3 122 upgrade with the 64 mm tb/intake combo using the screaming eagle tuner? Or Do you need to select stage 4 in the tuner with figures it in the stage kit. or is there a option to select my stage 3 122 and click on tb ? Trying to keep warranty thanks
Cost of parts cost of labor cost of dyno tune then how much hp I have a 2018 flhxs with stage 3 with rcx tormentor head pipe I'm making 111 hp and 121 lbs of torgue now what diff. Will I see.
For more info please contact the Moonshine Horsepower Team Nick - Aaron - Jamie - Mike Phone: 615-274-4170 Email: horsepower@moonshineharley.com ***If you email us please provide a good contact phone number for you.
A master tech Quote me "Bikes don't break, its the abuse (rider) what break's it, enjoy hit it from time to time don't abuse it" 🤔 He got me on that one.
Yes. For more info please contact the Moonshine Horsepower Team Nick - Aaron - Jamie - Mike Phone: 615-274-4170 Email: horsepower@moonshineharley.com ***If you email us please provide a good contact phone number for you.
We do a ton of them. Please contact the Moonshine Horsepower Team Nick - Aaron - Jamie - Mike Phone: 615-274-4170 Email: horsepower@moonshineharley.com ***If you email us please provide a good contact phone number for you.
Yes, please contact the Moonshine Horsepower Team Nick - Aaron - Jamie - Mike Phone: 615-274-4170 Email: horsepower@moonshineharley.com ***If you email us please provide a good contact phone number for you.
Just depends on the build…we have a 128 and 131 that make 150 plus which has shown to be as reliable as some smaller builds. It depends on the cam and parts paired with the build.
I purchased this kit from you guys to do my stage 2 but i was wonder why my kit that i got today is a 64mm throttle body and a 66mm intake ? @moonshine Harley
I run a hpi 62mm throttle body and intake with 5.5 injectors on a 114. It has a redshift 468 cam. And a d&d billet cat big bore baffle. Torque curve is flat as a table top. 119/133 numbers. The dyno tuner said it wouldn’t work. He was blown away at the results. He said he thought the bike had a 124 in it.
Those HPI TB's are just SO NICE!!!! GREAT VIDEO!!!!
Very educational videos guys! Got my parts from Aaron for my 117 stage 2 build and it’s on the lift. I appreciated all the research you do and share for free. I feel you steered me in the right direction with the 485 cam and can’t wait to open that 64mm tb. Thumbs up!
Which 64mm throttle body you go with?
@@shawn9878 I’m not sure if there are several, Aaron chose it and sent it. Bike is done and it rips really nice! That cam produces really nice roll-on power (or LET-IT-RIP POWER) on any gear to 6000+ rpms!
@Dexter Suarez
It turned out nice, quick with good roll-on power. I haven’t ran into someone with a 131 or bigger that wants to rip so I can’t compare but it’s quick. Also have a stage 2 107 that was pulling away from when this 117 was stock, now I can pull away fairly easy. Close to 140 torque based on dyno.
There are zero videos out there with this configuration I’m on the fence about going with this build it would be nice to see a video on it I would like to hear what the loop sounds like on the cam
Nice. What were your dyno #s ?
Another awesome video presenting what’s new , thanks for the info. Hey can you guys do a full exhaust comparing D&D , Khrome Werks and maybe another full exhaust on a performance bagger no one has done a good comparison yet for 2022.
You guys been talking to George, very nice 🏁🏁🏁
Another cool video! I know you guys recommend your 485 cam paired with the 64mm throttle body for a 114 stage 2. I'm not clear watching from 3:20 - would you recommend the 64mm TB over the 55mm here regardless of cam choice (I mean sensible alternatives)?
B/c a bigger throttle body 64mm on a St II , will be advice to include better Fuel injectors?? Thanks friends for you always being ahead 💪
Stock fuel injectors are plenty for a stage II.
Awesome....Lance...you should raffle off next yr for 2 customers to tag along all expenses paid.
Colorado Grille & Tap House looked ghetto. Road kill burgers. Lol
Silver Dollar Saloon looked like a time machine.
The night footage was cool
Thanks for bringing us along! Ride safe
Which of those combos would work for a 107 with S&S 475 cam stock heads?
With the se 64mm throttle body a factory air filter won’t bolt up to the breather holes and throttle body right? Have to buy a se filter or something like that right?
Tons of info, thanks guys. I want to swap my intake manifold mostly bc of piece of mind. 2018 FLHC with HD 447 cam, 2017 with Reaper 465 cam.
Have you had any experience with the 64/64 setup on woods 777 or 22x series cams. Positive or otherwise. It seems like you guys have put together a good package but I was hoping to see similar benefits without changing my cam again.
I'm waiting to see how that 64mm throttle body kit runs on a 117Ci CVO. Giddy just thinking about it
Guess there’s no info yet?
What would you recommend for a stage 2 S&S 475c Cam
Great Information guys..always learn so much from your videos..
@moonshineharley Would the Harley 64mm throttle body and manifold benefit a 21 road glide 114 with S&S 475cam with oil pump and cam plate with a Bassani road rage 3 mid length?
Good stuff guys!!
Can't wait to call ,and get details for my tri glide
Thoughts on adding HPI 58 MM on a Feuling 472?
Thank you the bar you set keep getting higher where will I end up
Wow you sure spend a lot of development with all your parts thanks men !
On your stage 2 with the 64 mm with a S&S 475?cam and 2 into 1 exhaust. What kind of numbers should you be getting? This is on a 114 M8. And would you recommend 5.5 injectors. If how much would this affect fuel mileage. Thanks Buck
2021 FatBob 114 I want to go with the 64 mm intake and manifold with the RK-3952 K&N Football intake vance and Hines pro pipe two to one should I also change my 02 sensors to wide band ?
Would you recommend replacing fuel injectors as well with the 64mm throttle body and intake manifold? I have a stage 2 S&S 475 Cam Chest Kit, HPI exhaust and intake. Thank you.
Update: I went on and installed 64mm throttle body and manifold with 5.5 g/sec injectors paired with complete stage two….. oh man!!! Runs great!! Highly recommended!
great explanation guys i have a better undersstanding i have a 2022 street glide st i just wanted to know what i could put in from a good intake manifold an throttle body on my bike to give it a little more pep...
Thank you, Guys enjoy the info and the knowledge awesome !!!!!!!
Would the 64mm kit work great for the 117 Stage 2? Got a RGST with stage 2 on it and was going to just go with a better 55mm but now thinking the 64mm. Any insight on that @moonshine
It does. Running the exact same setup on my ST Stage 2. The bike loves the extra air trapping when combined with some good 6.2 GMR injectors, my F35A cam and a Stealth Turnout. 140/140 on the dyno
@@JakobKaizen whats your set up? Im running 472 cam kit and D&D bobcat 2-1
@@JakobKaizen great numbers for a 117
What is an F35 cam and stealth turnout?
I have a 2022 114 SHS with a S&S 465 cam with the S&S throttle body. I the cam making 107 hp and 118 foot pounds of torque. I am looking for more mid to high with out giving up the low end torque. What would a 64mm throttle body kit do for me with this set up?
You say later that you run the 64 with throttlebody on 128, but early on it's suggestive they can be run on stock displacement like a 107 or 114. Not exactly direct.
A lot of good info here. I went 122 Stage III on a ‘21 M8. It would have the 447 cam I think. Also went with the oil pump and cam plate upgrade and the Heavy Breather Extreme. The intake is currently factory. Is the 55 aluminium or even 64 / throttle body and injectors worth my while or am I just going to harm my torque?
You’ll gain both HP and Torque with our MHP-F064 Ported 66mm on your setup. You’ll also need a 64mm Throttle Body. Then you’ll have to re-tune.
117 fxlrst with soundtrapp fatshot, 475c w kit and s&s teardrop. I’m having it dynoed next week. Buying a manifold w throttle body is a couple of months away. Will I benefit much? Or should I prioritise it down in favor for other upgrades?
will 114 with stage 2 462 cam will it benefit from 64mm and if so how do enable 64mm throttle body with the street pro tuner screaming eagle software with a stage 2 do that is intended for a stage 4?
I got a killer deal on a se 64mm
And it will actually work with my stage ll 117? 475c
I'm
Love information. Thanks for sharing
So are you saying that the SE 64mm will work well on the 114 motor stage 2?
whats the reliability of ur 135 kit ....... 2 up cross country in the mountains loaded down . Just looking to build a tug boat .....??????
You will definitely get what you pay for but it’s not cheap. From everything I’ve seen Moonshine kits are built to be as reliable as possible so you can ride it like a stock bike. If reliability wasn’t their biggest concern I bet they could get 200+ HP with out a power adder but it wouldn’t be something you could just ride anywhere any time.
I have a 117 lowrider st is it worth upgrading the throttle body . Thanks.
You guys Rock such awesome candy!👍💯🇺🇸😎
I was told I will lose power on my 2021 fxbbs streetbob 114 if I went to ur 64 from my 55 plz lmk what I should do
I’ve got a stage 2 114 breakout with the woods 22x cam with 113/129 to the ground
Going bigger on my manifold and throttle body is guaranteed 10 horse?
What about bigger injectors?
2024 M8 , 117'' build ; exhaust so many I like HPi to much $$$$ , SP like it , cam 30-30 or F35A ? , 64mm TB what manifold ? stock heads, what air intake? tnx
What is the diameter of the air cleaner backing plates that are used on the 64mm and larger throttle bodies, can't find information anywhere???
Can I do the combo before a cam? Couldn’t find the combo online though.
Rock on..
Love the channel and the info guys! Would the 64mm combo be too much for the 107 with a Stage 2?
Yes, especially if you run out MHP-485 cam.
Fuck yeah! I love these guys the best of the best parts and all the info for you
Hello Moonshine Techs, I appreciate your overview on the intake manifold and throttle bodies for HD. I purchased a 2020 Breakout 114cu and had a SE Stage 3 installed. The HD technician at that time discouraged me not to include a 55mm or 64mm intake with my upgrade. However, after reviewing your video re: throttle bodies, I’d like reconsider my initial plan. Given what I currently have (stage 3), what intake & throttle body would you recommend I install?
H-D 64mm Throttle Body and Intake
Greatly appreciated, love your vids. Just an FYI, I live on Hawaii Island (Big Island). The HD dealership on this island closed for business. It’s difficult finding certified HD mechanics to service my bike.
I have a question. What’s the throttle body you’re using for the 64mm stage 2. You say you sell them together. I looked on your page and didn’t see them? I only see the ported manifold. I need the tb also
'18 107 w/ a Redshift 468 and a powervision...what throttlebody & manifold do you recommend?
So u can put 64throttle body an manifold on a117 cu CVO ?
what about torque? Do these larger manifolds and throttle bodies sacrifice torque to get the HP gains. I dont rev hard and looking for low end torque over high end HP. Thank you.
We have not experienced lower end torque loss with running the 64mm on the set ups we explained. Our MHP-485 cam on a 107 and 114 benefits through the entire torque curve from the 64mm/64mm setup.
@@MoonshineHarley Thank you
That 64mm TB/intake combo .. is that gonna be too much on a 107M8 with a 3030 or 468 or something?
Did you ever get a reply to your question? I have a 107 as well
How do I get BETTER throttle response from my cam only stage 2 .....s&s 465c
Are you guys not suggesting the HPi 62 anymore for a stage2?
We run the H-D 64mm manifold and throttle body. The vanes on the inside of H-D manifold help the air turn the corner.
Does the 64mm on a stage 2 require special mapping that the harley tuner can't do?
Also, can I purchase the map from you guys?
What size injectors do you use with the stage 2 builds and the SE 64mm throttle body/intake?
I have the RS468 cam, Khrome Werks 2:1 and HD ventilator extreme intake on 2021 road glide limited.
Stock.
Would you suggest running a 64mm throttle body and intake with a red shift 468, dand big bore exhaust and a Thundermax tuner? For a 2022 road glide st 117.
Yes. But we would swap the RS468 for the MHP-485 if possible. You’ll have more gains across the whole curve.
Just wondering why the mhp 485 vs the rs468?
@@soberlife1264 becuase it’s theirs… they want the money.
What about a 117 CVO, what combo can I benefit from? And a link to purchase?
107m8 with a stage II cam what kind of dyno numbers should we see
What's the cost of the combo 64 and will it fit on my 2018 ultra limited?
Great videos you make! I just bought a 2022 street glide st . Am waiting on it for delivery . I was wondering is there a way to tune a stage 3 122 upgrade with the 64 mm tb/intake combo using the screaming eagle tuner? Or Do you need to select stage 4 in the tuner with figures it in the stage kit. or is there a option to select my stage 3 122 and click on tb ? Trying to keep warranty thanks
I have a 21 SGS with the 122 and S.E tuner. Too EPA restricted
Cost of parts cost of labor cost of dyno tune then how much hp I have a 2018 flhxs with stage 3 with rcx tormentor head pipe I'm making 111 hp and 121 lbs of torgue now what diff. Will I see.
For more info please contact the
Moonshine Horsepower Team
Nick - Aaron - Jamie - Mike
Phone: 615-274-4170
Email: horsepower@moonshineharley.com
***If you email us please provide a good contact phone number for you.
Can you put the 64mm on Milwaukee 8 114 stage 3 with stock heads without it running sluggish?
Yes. You will need to re-tune it.
How about a stage 2 107?
What about injector?
I have a 114 lrs with wm8 22xd cam. If i get an SE 64mm combo, what do i do for injectors?
Stock.
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😂 Thank you.
so 107 wtih just a cam will do good with a 64 combo?
Yes! It will have to be re-tuned.
Everyone talks about the 114. I never hear much about what cam and intake for the 117 that comes on the 22 or 23 ST?
So, what flow rate injectors are you utilizing? 5.5, 6.1, 7.1 or something else?
It depends on the build we typically use 6.27-7.80 depending on cubes and cam.
do you guys still stock these 64mm throttle body and intake units ??
Yes.
Different question have you ever used the stepped header from FuelMoto
We have seen a couple come through our shop.
So is the 135 good or going to be a dependable reliable motor for everyday and long distance riding??? Or even a 139 build??
A master tech Quote me "Bikes don't break, its the abuse (rider) what break's it, enjoy hit it from time to time don't abuse it" 🤔 He got me on that one.
I've liked the Aluminum Intake over stock , on a 107 stage 2 is a 64 mm to much or use 55mm ?
We pair the 64mm/64mm with our MHP-485 cam. 115-120hp
Thanks for the info, I heard you guys talk about your 485 didn't know on a 107 stage 2 good numbers u got. A good runner
Ment to ask about tourque numbers too just wondering
On the video 3:30 he said 114 but did not mention 107. It's not clear to me about 64mm 107 but I'm gunna try it with 465 reaper
@@vulcano2093 in their most recent livestream (08/26/22)they show a dyno chart for a 107 with that MHP 485 cam.
Can you get that 55mm, bored out to a 58mm ? For a stage 2.
Just go to the 64mm with a 64mm TB
So what about mpg? Or is not a concern?
Only two cylinder engine so the MPG is effected much.
awesome so can i get a kit shipped to canada
Yes. For more info please contact the
Moonshine Horsepower Team
Nick - Aaron - Jamie - Mike
Phone: 615-274-4170
Email: horsepower@moonshineharley.com
***If you email us please provide a good contact phone number for you.
Hey guys I can’t find that 64mm intake and throttle body anywhere on the site :(. Little help please!
Same
Shop.moonshineharley.com
Part# MHP-0064
@@MoonshineHarley where’s the MHP 492 cam? I wanted that one originally but ended up buying the 485 from George Bryce
How about taking 103 up to 117 with a Woods cam
We do a ton of them. Please contact the
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I’ve been hearing that you may lose more torque even tho you may gain the hp wouldn’t you only change up to the 64mm if your putting in 128 kit
We haven’t experienced that.
Do you offer a stage 2 kit with your cam and 64mm TB as a package? And a map for a pv3 for a 114?
Yes, please contact the
Moonshine Horsepower Team
Nick - Aaron - Jamie - Mike
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oh its a 117
I just don't know what a street bike or touring bike does reliably with 150+ hp.
Just depends on the build…we have a 128 and 131 that make 150 plus which has shown to be as reliable as some smaller builds. It depends on the cam and parts paired with the build.
Y’all wrong for not even mentioning HPI in the throttle body game. They’ve got one of the top 3 throttle bodies on the M8 market.
I purchased this kit from you guys to do my stage 2 but i was wonder why my kit that i got today is a 64mm throttle body and a 66mm intake ? @moonshine Harley
What do you recommend for a stock 117 with wood 22XE cam and fuelmoto jackpot 2-1 pipe???
64 manifold with 64 TB