[TAS] [Obsoleted] [Camhack] Genesis Sonic 3 & Knuckles "Sonic, 100%" by marzojr in
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 1 มิ.ย. 2021
- This is a tool-assisted speedrun. For more information, see tasvideos.org/1387M
This movie has been obsoleted by tasvideos.org/5453M
TAS originally published on 2009-11-09
In this run of Sonic 3 & Knuckles, Sonic has decided that getting all the emeralds is the only way to go and as such powers his way through the special stages to achieve this (and a perfect ending). This run also avoids using a glitch called horizontal underflow, which is explained in the author's comments ( tasvideos.org/2416S ).
The downloadable encodes in the second set use a camhack, which attempts to always keep Sonic onscreen and puts HD sprites on top of the background to make the TAS look even better.
We also have similar movies with Sonic and Tails ( tasvideos.org/2741M ), Amy ( tasvideos.org/2752M ), Knuckles ( tasvideos.org/3425M ), Tails ( tasvideos.org/2468M ), Knuckles ring attack ( tasvideos.org/2593M ), Knuckles 100% ( tasvideos.org/3521M ), Competition mode ( tasvideos.org/1713M ) and Sonic and Tails on NewGame+ ( tasvideos.org/2744M ).
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FLASHING LIGHTS WARNING: 37:15 onwards, Hyper Sonic will have moments of a bright flash that some users may find to be discomforting - เกม
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![[TAS] [Obsoleted] Genesis Sonic 3 & Knuckles by Aglar & marzojr in 26:53.06](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/kDUcVAAGB88/mqdefault.jpg)
That backwards running on the bonus stages is more stress inducing than dragging a sewing needle across a balloon.
I so laugh at this and I can't even see it?
Nah it’s definitely when he starts jumping over the red spheres.
@@Randomperc both
Hot new strat
It's special stage not bonus stage
"Sonic got a Chaos Emerald"
"Sonic can now rip the fabric of space and time"
Sonic can now shove Eggman back to the permanent past!
as if he wasn't doing that already?
@@naride1093 SpeedRuns are crazy to watch.
You mostly know what to expect;...
till the random awkward glitch or pixel-perfect jump comes up?
What's next;
now three sets of emeralds to get to unlock everything! Jeez peeps, make up your mind!
If it was originally fixed, don't break it!
@@BlindLibrary shut up! I can do *anything* I want and you can't stop me!!!
I thought Sonic had super speed, not 4th-dimensional travel.
sonic had a rough transition to 4d
Apparently he's got both (and just doesn't wanna tell us about it?)
Oh, wait... That's Silver's job?
(The fourth dimention part.
Sonic only has super speed, TAS is the one doing the 4th-dimensional travel. They're just that good.
Archie Sonic's morning exercise
42:22 are we just not gonna talk about how he just casually moonwalks to the boss like “you cannot physically in this realm do shit to me”
Sonic 3: *doesn't have the drop dash*
TASbot: fine, I'll do it myself.
Almost 12 years later, this is still an amazing TAS.
what is TAS?
@@LucaIsHere179 Tool assisted speedrun
@@LucaIsHere179 TAS means "Tool Assisted Speedrun"
@@paperboio888 oh ok thanks
Why is called tool assisted speed run tho????
My jaw hit the floor during the special stages. How can this guy do them so wrong yet so right?
Yes.
Especially getting 2, 3, (even 4) at a time?
That's so twisted!
@It's Because
Guessing he means without collecting all rings, or moving seemingly unusually, at least compared to normal, completionist play.
@@TrianglePants
Its probably the movement, cause you usually don't expect people to go through the red spheres.
TAS isn't about showing your skill at playing the game, it is painstakingly built frame by frame on an emulator, basically the emulator records input from the controller on each frame of gameplay to an external file, you can advance the game one frame at a time and record the exact input you want, you cna also make savestates to allow you to correct mistakes or find the best solution to a problem and monitor the internal ram so you know your speed, position, global and universal timers so you can know where moving objects are and just about any other attribute you can think of that could be useful. You'd also check out maps of stages, including special stages, so you can meticulously plan your route. Making a TAS of high quality can take years and multiple authors, glitch hunters and speedrunners collaberating, you have to know the game extremely well. It is an entirely different talent from speedrunning, although there are overlaps in the knowledge of the game you require.
This is the kind of stuff we thought we were doing playing this game as kids.
This is the stuff my dad be doin when i hand him the control 😂
39:15
He's just standing there, *menacingly!*
GET OUT OF THERE SONIC
Sonic: No
4:47 - Big "no, don't like that" energy
Actually that's just every special stage
I had real anxiety when he was running backwards.
the best game in the entire franchise
How you gonna disrespect Sonic 3d blast like that 😔
I don't know about that one, but it's still pretty great.
@@philithegamer8265 how?
@@philithegamer8265 not really. the best game in a series doesn’t always have to be the latest entry. overall yeah sonic doesn’t have the most consistently high quality games, but i don’t find it sad that it’s best is the 4th game released.
@@abraham3673 But when the best game in an ongoing franchise is from nearly 30 years earlier, it indicates that something's not right.
It's a known fact that Sonic moves so fast he can transform clouds into texture vomit.
Oh my, the blue sphere bonus rounds are anxiety triggering, but great run nonetheless...
Me: gets lost and fails every time.
TAS: let's go backwards for the swag
Watching the Purple Emerald stage: Thanks, I hate it.
The ending at 55:50 reminds me of that one time I beat the Marble Garden 2 Boss with EXACTLY 9 minutes, 59 seconds on the stage timer...
You get 100,000 points as a time bonus if you do that.
I would not recommend trying it.
You can get a Last Second Bonus?
@Pikachu Playz Oh wow.
Makes me think of how I used to struggle on Carnival Night Act 2 - Even KNOWING how to get past the barrel, I'd always get into the 8min range and risk a time over
Yes there's a "hidden" time bonus. Haven't you guys ever explored or fooled around in an Act before?
@@Spoon_knight: That's unfortunately. I try to get as much fun out of my games as possible especially if I'm done with everything.
I can see why he's called "Hyper" Sonic now
I seriously miss Hyper Sonic. I hope he makes a return. This is such an awesome run.
There Needs To Be A HyperTails!
With More UpGraded Death Flickies!
And if Tails flies in a certain pattern, it's an Instant Screen Kill of Badniks X8/12, depending on how many Death Flickies you wanna use.!
@@BlindLibrary That's be sick!
Or perhaps even Ultra forms of characters?
EveryThing on complete steroids,
say, even with all 3 being able to store shield abilities like Mighty the Armadillo?
And even be able to "spam' a shield multiple times while in mid-jump if needed?
nah it's super dead. it just seems "too unneeded" or something and the devs hate fun so no luck.
besides sadly sonic games have been getting worse ever since 2015.
Honestly I wish other characters were regularly playable like in classic games and had their own super forms more often
I love how he goes so fast that he not only fucks up the level but also the music sometimes
This brings back many memories man. I miss my childhood.
Same here
Back in the day when the world made sense...
@@adamgray1753 mhm
@@adamgray1753 the world never really made sense even in the past, its only history repeating itself in a new generation
48:20 PERFECT TIMING
16:43 Ayo that beat drops hard XD
22+ years ago I developed anxiety from these special stages, then this guy goes ahead and does this...
It's made with weird tools, then playing the inputs back into the game as normal
The sassy stomp at 51:13
25:35
How many explosion sound effects should we implement?
Yes!
Each explosion pattern is completing a boss in a phase.
Hence some bosses are two or even three phases. to complete.
Take LaunchBase2's two-phase boss as an example.
Keep in mind the "big arm" boss was supposed to be at the end of LaunchBase, but now shifted to a different point courtesy of SH3&K.
“Hyper sonic gives people seizures.”
Back then: Maybe, I don’t see it.
Now: ok I get what they were saying.
When the screen-scroll can barely keep up, you know you TAS'd the crap out of it.
Something I've done a-plenty with Debug Mode then switching back to play mode.
37:16 The power of hyper sonic lmao
This is a great guide. Helped me get all the emeralds. Thanks.
Wait what
right around 24:00, when sonic grabs the bonus ring for like a split second it look like he turns into Shadow
btw the animations of sonic jumping is smooth
23:58 lol
The game might’ve fucked up and gave sonic the fire shied’s pallet for a sec
12:33
Knuckles:I'm waiting...
Sonic:No, I'm gonna skipping this, so, I'm outta here!
Knuckles:WHAT THE? You must meet with me!
Sonic:Sorry, but this is speedrun, there is no time to waste.
40:45 This is what ADHD looks like when your body has a lot of pent up energy.
My man be jumping those red spheres with confidence, meanwhile I'd be out after the first 2 seconds.
Nice run so nostalgic
The part when you need to get the Super Emerald's Chaos it gets hard to complete
*Really Sonic Speed Here*
33:19 Oh, It’s Sonic’s third jump glitch, it’s okay!
Alternative Title : Anthropomorphic Hedgehog uses gems to break the space-time continuum and jump through walls at hyperspeed to take down a doctor that tries to take over the world.
this is what happens when you let sonic play his own game
2009 explained why certain tricks i was expecting weren't present. fantastic tas
This is an appreciation commentary for the inhuman way of finishing those special stages, only if you were interested in how TAS are remarkably, honourably yet bizarrely satisfied you by how they did collect all the emeralds.
Chaos Emeralds:
0:33 The most innocent, you can even finish it on your first run except if you move backwards just like here.
2:07 Those 3x4 sphere groups look fantastic for changing them to rings, but TAS chooses an irregular path. It even almost stepped on booby traps.
4:06 A pretty nice multitasking with Sonic's eyes on its nape.
5:49 You don't want to collect those last 44 spheres in that absurd way, but I believe you were satisfied by the ending.
8:56 I mean like, 'play safe' is not a thing. Imagine touching those odd apples.
11:01 I'm sure you finish the 4x4 sphere groups first before touching the 2x2 groups, unlike TAS did.
13:26 This final chaos emerald is tricky. You might only need to get 60 spheres, but the quite-symmetrical stage sometimes blocks your way. Take a look at that pinball trick! You might need it as a shortcut.
Super Emeralds:
26:53 1st of 7 emeralds. Probably an effortless start for the super emeralds special stages, but here, most of you would likely be left astray on the forest of red spheres for approximately 30-90 seconds (or more) before locating the last 2x2 sphere group.
28:20 7th of 7 emeralds. Another backwards pinball, and guess what? You were stumbling to locate that final 2 sphere lovebirds, but they are in nowhere. Perhaps you also need to find another 2 lovebirds apart (or more).
29:41 2nd of 7 emeralds. Believe me, the first time you were here, you were always touching the red spheres, whether you touched it directly, kicked by the queue of pinballs, or that bouncy yellow thing threw you. This is the most dreadful stage IMO. I remember when I was frustrated all day finishing this stage, so I had no choice but to search the internet for the stage map. The way TAS walks backwards effortlessly makes me think how much time of discovery spent to make these flawless taunt-like moves, even with the garnished ending.
31:10 6th of 7 emeralds. One unique thing I've noticed after analyzing the map is this stage is almost symmetrical, but it still confuses people. Ah, also with another garnished ending.
33:26 3rd of 7 emeralds. Frankly speaking, this is another easy stage since you only need to collect 37 spheres, but it should be finished in a one-way path; you can't turn back in ease since there were a couple of 2 sphere lovebirds guarding the routes you've passed in this stage.
34:31 5th of 7 emeralds. Another tricky stage. I'm sure most people will avoid those yellow bouncers, but they are essential here unless you are willing to challenge booby traps and pinballs. Also, before you feel confident where you should go, never try to run backwards.
35:54 4th of 7 emeralds, the last one. This stage is more spacious, making players feel at ease. Perhaps this is the most straightforward super emerald stage.
Tip: I recommend searching for stage maps on the internet for those who struggle to collect all these emeralds. If you treat this video as a tutorial, you are obviously tormenting yourself unless you adore complicated things.
Lot of people don't know this but this was supposed to be one cartridge but the timeframe they had to make this game wasn't long enough so they did the sonic and knuckles later on to put it together
This is the greatest sonic game ever made for the Sega Genesis
This is the game that won out Christmas sales versus Nintendo and put Genesis on top for the holiday season sales sadly this marked the beginning of the end for Sega after that year.
@@veeteevee7952 sega genesis didn't end for me I still play my genesis😊
@@damin9913 me either I'm talking about Genesis dominance
I never stopped to think about it as a kid but it just hit me. Super Sonic is invincible to everything. Lack of oxygen, pits, and being crushed is just for gameplay balance.
That said, how the heck did Knuckles get the Chaos Emeralds from Super Sonic? Did...did he really JUMPSCARE them out of Sonic? 😂
I always made up a storyline as a Kid to answer this part, which was that Knuckles had special knowledge of how to unravel Emeralds from intruders, sort of like a pick pocket thief.
@@NadeemAhmad-me7fp That would be cool. Knuckles is an imbecile now, but it is neat to think back then he had intimate knowledge of The Chaos Emeralds and was The Guardian of the Master Emerald for his secert wisdom about those jewels and not because the other candidates were all dead. Alas.
Knuckles has indeept knowledge of the master emerald and its adopted sons
As it is show in the adventure games it is needed super cannons to shatter the master one but knucx know how to punch it in a special way to also shatter it as seen in adventure 2
Would be nice a knuckles boss battle were he has an uppercut atack that utransforms the player if they are super and stuns them if they are hyper
@@B.L.U.S Interesting. This must be before they lowered his intelligence from Knuckles to "Knucklehead" became the Knuckles I know doesn't even have strategy in mind when he fights. "Hit them til they stop moving" only goes so far. Also that animation was a generic jump attack, not some Knuckles-style Gentle Fist attack to pressure point Sonic out of Super Sonic. I'd buy it if it was at least a punch (don't go there, if they wanted to, they could have given all the other sprite animations in the game, having Knuckles simply punch Sonic wouldn't be that technologicaly challenging), but your answer is clearly after the fact, years later. So here, I am still sticking to jumpscare. 😂
@@Ethonra I'm very sure I saw some official thing that depicts knuckles as uppercuting sonic
Also sonic 3 was rushed I'm sure they wouldn't waste time drawing more frames than they needed lol ,looking at you tails who cant snowboard
Btw I got that idea from my diary that houses the script of a entire long ass sonic fan game, even to the gameplay details
I told you that because I now come to say that i have an idea of a virtual reality area that would 4x down on being a tutorial ,level revisitor ,boss refights(+hard mode for each one) and a versus area where you could challenge each character to a fight each one having a normal and hard mode ,knuckles on normal would have this pretty avoidable uppercut that would untrasform you from super ,and deals double damage to you(each character loses a set amount of rings per hit sonic is 100)
Idk how to make an worse version of this attack on hard mode
I like how you did it on actual hardware the way the music gets less because the channels are playing sound effects makes the experience more authentic. 7:46
Backwards in the blue spheres is amzing man GG!
Its hard not to love this game
2:29 Sonic: **deliberately chooses to jump between the red spheres like an absolute madman**
Me not knowing that it was even possible: *WHAT. WHAT? WHAT THE FU-*
Wha- You didn't know? I even I do that in Mania!
(SPECIAL STAGE) blue spheres speedrun (no rings + perfect unused)
It's always been possible but it's difficult.
yeah turns out you have to be touching red spheres from running into them. as long as you aren't grounded and touching the exact spot, you won't get kicked out.
And then he just starts doing that while going backwards like ***WHAT?!***
Bot: *moonwalks on special stages"
Me: "Your tactics confuse and frighten me, sir."
22:40 Finally, visual verification of what I've known all along.
That damn tube must widen so the capsule can move sideways. Dumb design by Robotnik.
Can't describe how much I love the fact that hyper Sonic is often the fastest option, even making clip zips faster
Is there a reason as to why Sonic's sprite appears in the foreground at all times?
likely because it's a camhack to keep sonic on screen at all times.
he’s an attention hog
@@0ctothorp correct
Thanks So Game Almost 12 years later!
6:31 oh don't mind me, i'm just moonwalking on some blue spheres
Even if it means going backwards I've so got this task done!
Instery Michael Jackson mooy joke here
Rolling around at the speed of- you know what, I give up.
This is the actual speed of sonic
Yo, Lava Reef 2 was a fucking banger until he went Hyper Sonic
23:58 his pallete just turned into a shadow for a second lol
After all these years I never knew you could get this ending man learn something knew everyday
I love how sonic is constantly jumping and spindashing in place as if he's on happy crack
So... much... *moonwalking*
The special stages were the highlights of this run, but seeing a tas of a game I played the crap out of on emulator in high school was nevertheless entertaining as heck
How were the special stages the highlight? Input windows are very stilted. A good enough player can match that-nobody can match the regular stage maneuvers.
@@AstroTibs Thats not true I'm a rookie TASer those inputs are on point.
Me watching this with my arms folded saying this is ridiculous. In a good way of course 😂
i like how for the entire run the game was just like "WTF IS GOING ON?!?!?!?" as sonic clips through walls and shit XD
Robotnik didn't even get to star in the Launch Base Act 2 miniboss, Sonic took it out before he even got a chance to hop in 😭
Kintobor is too scared to be around sonic now
This guy messed around and made Ultra Instinct Sonic lmao
That said, Amazing (If not a bit anxiety inducing, lookin' at you, special stages) run.
100% run
Rings in the special stages: am I a joke to you?
Yes without continues and no rings in special stages, this run not 100%.
honestly the perfect special stage routes would probably be a lot more boring than the ones used in this TAS so
The rings only give you continues, they're useless in 100% runs because I'm pretty sure that's not the only way to get continues.
@@qaaris4280 Funny you should say that...
Take the electric orb mini-game and get at least 50 rings in it.
There's another route for continues.
But since you'll acquire so many extra lives either via item box, 100/200 rings or scorecard tally if fast enough,
continues would be moot at this point.
When he zips through the wall at 10:37, how come the collision is the same for the water ramps, but the graphics get all confused?
BTW, nice speedrun.
He moved so fast the camera got confused trying to catch up
I knew from the moment I saw that bubble shield things were about to get real frame perfect
Hmm so sonic is trying to do a moon walk in the bonus stage hmm interesting I'll write that down
26:29 to 26:39 wha- what the heck?!? what did I just witness? There's two Knuckles, a magical teleporting ring to the crystal zone, and suddenly a spare emerald game.
You just witnessed SuperSonic being taken away so he couldn't just skate the last half of the game.
Chaos emeralds now transformed into the Super emeralds you must collect.
I remember seeing this back in 2014... Or 2013 I don't remember. But when I saw it I got amazed
Hellow
@@renan8966 hi
I remember watching these in 2011 in my homeroom, 5th grade. One of the classmates wondered what I was watching. To think I've been interested in TASes for over a decade, turning 21 in about two months on top of that
@@MisterAutist I once saw TAS like a painful and time wasting thing in 2019, lord behold, in 2020 I became a TASer
@@DarkShamilKhan Huh what a change dude, At the same time in 2011 I did TASing on exclusive SMB related ROMs and was pretty decent for my age at the time
"I said go fast not BEYOND LIGHT SPEED"
This has the best boss theme of all the Sonics.
too bad we only get to hear for like 5 seconds in this video lol
Man still to this day I can't stand carnival night zone
18:15 I didn't know about a speed glitch like that, especially one that makes base form sonic have afterimage effects
i think its the camhack
It's a camhack
I'm a rookie TASer
@@sethstallings7288 I'm assuming a hack that forces the camera to keep up with him. Makes sense I guess.
18:34
I didn't know you could perfectly? Bounce? On a boss like that to destroy it!
Hilarious!
Definitely do more of that?
1 ring clutch for the win
This is the game that won out Christmas sales versus Nintendo and put Genesis on top for the holiday season sales sadly this marked the beginning of the end for Sega after that year.
I’m assuming gaming companies were not aware of Seizure warnings back in the 90’s because…..Hyper Sonic! XD
Still I couldn’t stop watching it! Cuz I was that kid that played adventure 2 a LOT growing up so it was cool to see where they got some of their ideas from.
-Like the Snowboarding in the beginning of the Icecap zone reminded me of the beginning of Cityscape when you are boarding through the city streets.
-The Bounce Shield=the bounce bracelet
-The Green Super Emerald=The master emerald
-The golem you fight in the sandopolis level=The Egg golem
In normal gameplay hyper sonic shouldn’t be that big of a problem.
But in this run he is used so much
I hate how many rings he passes up in the final stage. That kind of timing to have one ring left at the end was sick.
Everybody got insane when he did this 2:30
23:58 "hi i am shadow"
I don’t know who this TAS guy is but he seems pretty good at Sonic 3 & Knuckles.
(Please don’t kill me, I’m just joking)
18:15
Insane!
Holy shit my eyes I see why it's Hyper Sonic now.
18:14 Blast Away!!
I will argue, to my _dying breath,_ that if the in game timer is _within six seconds_ of 1m00s, the TASer should intentionally wait out the clock unless it would severely prolong a section or area. An example might be the Drill Mobile K in Marble Garden Zone. Instead of activating the boss right away, maybe marzojr could have waited a couple seconds before entering the boss area?
I dunno. Someone - maybe _several_ someones - explained this to me, before and I forgot. I know there's a _really good_ reason TASers of _Sonic_ game do things this way…
It was most likely because of a major difference in time bonuses, and how it could actually be faster to wait it out for a moment.
I know this is an old comment but a lot of the time the reason the time isn’t waited out and is just finished right away is because the TAS author(s) only care about time in the stage not counting end screens. I believe the Sonic 2 TAS author mentioned in notes that they were going for fastest in-game time (which doesn’t count the end screen) and not real-time. I’d assume the same applies here.
Edit: Yeah checked the authors notes on this TAS and they were primarily focusing on in-level time, not real time
Watching the Blue Sphere stages gives me anxiety. lmao
I wonder if sonic gets dizzy after spinning from all those elevators
Now he's truly the fastest thing alive
Lo más increíble después de las zonas especiales fue haber saltado a varios jefes importantes y de los más difíciles el de lava zone el de marble zone 2 donde te carga Tails y varios de sky santuary
A bueno pos máster 🐔🤙
Breaking news: blue hedgehog goes -super- -saiyan- *mastered ultra instinct,* tears the fabric of reality apart
Todos en las fases especiales:hace perfects
Este enfermo:bloquea perfect y camina como Maikel Jackson
Man turned into Michael Jackson in a special stage
I really dug the track from Lava Reef Zone (Act 1). I really hope Sega does a remake or remaster of this in the near future. I also liked how the time bonuses bestowed you with more lives. Thanks for the upload and giving Sonic the ability to 'moonwalk' in the sphere stages ;P
Sonic Mania has remixes of both Lava Reef zones.
*cough* sonic mania
@@MalleusSemperVictor i think he means a remake of Sonic 3 and Knuckles
Same, the Music fit Lava Reef Zone so well, for its exotic colors, landscape, textures and whatnot.
Super Sonic based on Super Sayian.
Ultra Instinct based on Hyper Sonic.
It’s more like the opposite, except not based
Sonic 1 had super sonic
Hyper sonic debut in sonic 3
@@mkkd_5254 super sonic debuted on sonic 2
And hyper sonic came first than ultra stinct
whats up with sonic rendering in front of foreground elements?
8:45 is this some kind of wall glitch?
How to make this camhack?
Just here to hear the original Super Sonic Theme…
Why was Sonic appearing above the bushes at the beginning there?
Miss this music.
So is it pronounced hydrocity or hydrocity?
No, it's pronounced "it"
One's a city, the other is a state of mind.
Could be either way.
It's hee-droh-kitty
20:27 what the hell is going on?