Those reviews are pretty useless. Who got 4900 and plays 1080!? All those 3070 users, what their "6XXfps" would look like on 1440? Who actually need more than fps?
Intel didn't really target efficiency specifically, it's just back to a reasonable level. It's the performance that is lacking. The previous generations had to be pushed way past the optimal point, even to destruction, to compete. There's probably some stuff intel needs to fix to adapt to a chiplet/tile design.
The 285k was 1st place in every single category except decompression and photoshop where it lost to the 14900k. So no, amd isnt pushing down anyone, unless ure talking about games. But clearly these intel cpus werent made for games. U wouldnt buy an amd gpu for cuda, would u?
@@kerkertrandov459you wouldn’t buy a 285k for productivity, you would buy a threadripper or eypc and get your work done way faster and use way less power also… the intel chips have no place
@kerkertrandov459 Nope 285k is only ahead in Chromium code compile and Adobe Premiere, even in terms of efficiency Amd is still ahead without any latency problems. Source - Gamers Nexus 285k Review.
I genuinely forgot this thing existed even though I distinctly remember that I read a few articles on it being a MCenter exclusive. I guess that makes the two of us lol
@@DLTX1007I got it a month ago it came out a couple week prior so maybe 2 months ago. It's a solid cpu but am5 gas some quirks. Also the ram included with mc's $450 bundle isn't on asus qvl list so I think that has been the source of my lockups. It never bsods so I never get a reason for the lockup. Sometimes it takes 20 mins to restart the pc. It's such a strange thing and it seems like it's effected quite a few am5 owners.
@natel7382 QVL for AMD is actually very long and anyway, QVL is simply what's tested by AMD and whether the manufacturer requested it or not. I have put 48GB klevv kit in my 7950X3D and it's been really stable
450$ at microcenter for a WHOLE mb+memory+cpu is INSANE. If I didn't want a 9800x3d so bad, I would jump on this deal. Matching 7800x3d in most games while being more efficient? That's an absolute robbery at 7800x3d msrp and being cheaper than a single 9800x3d.
I've heard rumors that the cores in the 9950x3D will actually work properly this time around making it way stronger than the Ryzen 7 variant. We are witnessing the death of Intel lmao
@@Stardomplayas much as Intel is absolute dogshit nowadays, we absolutely need them around or else AMD will simply become like Intel from about 7-8 years ago before Zen 1 launched. A monopoly does good for nobody except CEOs and shareholders and I can't believe there are people unironically rooting for Intel's demise.
Thanks for hanging on to the Ryzen R5 3600 in some of the charts. I mostly care about light productivity workloads like compiling and it's interested to see how there's (barely) been a doubling of per-core performance after so many years and generations.
I would like it if they included an Athlon64 or X2 or Core2 duo, FX-8350[8320], and any zen1 in the new benchmark tests for those of us still driving cast iron farm trucks or dealing with used hardware(Tons of cheap zen1 out there.). At least for the website charts, I know screen space is limiting in videos.
So glad you guys covered this, always wondered how it would stack up in a proper review. I built an SFF system for a friend using the 7600X3D, figured the slight loss in performance would be worth the lower heat generation. Seems like I made the right call!
My 7600x3d goes up to and above 60c constantly while gaming. I'm using a noctua d15s. I've had a bunch of issues with my pc tho. Never happens while gaming though which is strange so idk. I can't narrow down what's causing it either because it won't bsod it just locks up. Mouse works but nothing else then after 10 to 20 mins it just restarts. I just restart and it normally doesn't happen again for a bit.
Man, from scrappy competitor, to technically a better deal, to nearly insolvent, to releasing CPUs because f*ck you Intel, we just can. AMD has a crazy story arc.
In the last financial reports, we found out amd outselling Intel for data canter in terms of $$$ by about 500Mil USD. (If the memory serves about the number ). Its nice to see. (Well the elephant in the room is that Nvidia is outselling both, combined, doubled)
Listen to Jim Keller interviews when he talks what he did at AMD to kickstart ZEN. It was 10% technology, 90% psychology. Crazy stuff. The greatest living CPU legend was basically working as a therapist and motivational speaker and it worked.
In Germany, the 7600X3D has been available on Mindfactory for quite some time now. I was pretty surprised to see it even existed, but did not hesitate to put the X3D into my cart instead of the regular 7600 for my mostly-gaming ITX build. This review gives me further assurance I made the right decision.
Happy to hear that it's not a US exclusive. Does Mindfactory also limit sales to in person like Microcenter or it a more normal online retailer that sells and ships with online sales?
@@MitjaBonca Not ingame yet, as I have no GPU available yet, but in a first Cinebench run, my low-profile cooler (Thermalright SI-100) didn't even break a sweat.
Picked up the 7600x3D CPU/Mobo/RAM bundle a few weeks back and have been loving it. Grabbed it at the Microcenter in Westmont, IL. I paired it with a 7900XT that I grabbed for $630 during the October Newegg sales. Don’t regret it at all.
can i ask how the % useage has been on the cpu? im scared ill reach 100% again playing intensive games while having a stream open on the other screen, i got a 12400 with a 4070 right now and it sometimes happens
@@leroyengels9597 It's very efficient/low watt chip. I enabled pbo/undervolt and it idles at ~47C and hits ~60C in marvel rivals with firefox (stream playing), spotify, discord, and steam on a peerless assassin. It's sitting about 40-60% usage ingame as well on 1080p which should be pulling more of the power.
I just searched your channel 2 hours ago looking for a review before I bought one. I don't think I'll ever buy something again without checking your reviews lol
Good luck mines been kind of a headache. If you don't want minute plus boot times turn on memory context restore and power down enabled. When you switch memory context it should auto enable power down but in case it doesn't, do it yourself. Also the ram that comes with the bundle isn't on asus qvl list so that's cool. I just flashed to the newest asus bios and hopefully my pc locking up stops but ya idk why my pc locks up, well the mouse works but nothing else. The pc won't bsod and after 20 mins og just being hung up it will restart. Event viewer is no help. Hopefully you don't have the issues I had.
I got the $450 bundle with the 7600x3d, a b650 ASUS gaming plus wifi board, and 32 GB of 6000/32 ram a few weeks back. Couldn't be happier with the setup (even though I wanted to dodge ASUS in general), and it looks like it'll have plenty of headroom at 1440p for a GPU upgrade or two. Also got the Peerless Assassin CPU cooler and the Lancool 207 after the GN reviews on them, and even when playing around with overclocking the GPU playing FF16, the whole system is staying under 60*C. The only downside of the whole thing was the 5 1/2 hour round trip to Micro Center...
LOL.... AMD was having none of the pouting about a non-worldwide release of the 5600/5700X3D this time. Just quietly dumped it all on Microcenter and whispered "make it disappear!". I'm actually all for this approach. Producing a wafer costs a lot of power, chemical usage and waste, so if anyone can benefit from the last crumbs, that are so rare it can't be a main line product, then good for them.
@@kingeling We all know that 5700X3D is a chip that didn't make the complete check list to be a 5800X3D. So give it enough time, we'll eventually see a 9700X3D. Maybe on 2028 or so.
@@fajaradi1223 2028 ? Lmao that's too far, 2026 maybe even 25 at max. AMD won't be selling zen 5 long after zen 6's release. 5700x3D also appeared 2 years after 5800x3d not freaking 4 years.
Intel: We are the fastest! AMD: 9800X3D. Also Intel burns itself to death. Intel: Okay, its efficiency time! AMD: 7600X3D Intel: Okay, budget time! AMD: 5600G/5700X3D Intel: ...
@@monotheisticmortal5122 real actual budget lowend have no budget for a dedicated GPU. A lot of people entering PC gaming are already very happy with a 5600G just to play your esports games and some singleplayer games like Witcher 3, etc. The 5600G is a nice mid-ground step allowing them to belay a new dedicated GPU while having decent gaming performance. The APU also allows a decent overclock in iGPU, memory controller, and IF. But the 5600G is usually paired with a B450/A520 or any of the PCIE3 AM4 boards that may noy have OC. When things are not enough or when they have built a better budget, they can either buy a new GPU, get a faster CPU/APU, or migrate to AM5. The APU being Zen3 monolithic also means it is not as affected by RAM clock and latency allowing for cheaper 3200CL18 RAM modules to perform fast enough. Lower budget would go 3200G or even the Athlon 3000G, but the 5600G is just miles ahead and its already superceded by AM5 APUs making it cheap enough but with enough performance.
@@ayuchanayuko yeah 5600g is alright if you don't have to gpu. I'll have you know that until the first half of this year I was doing my gaming on a Ryzen 5 2400G without a dedicated graphics card. It served me well until I had the money to make a proper gaming build.
How many takes did you do filming this? Saying 7600 x , 7600 non x and 7600x 3d a thousand times must ve sucked. Thanks for the video, excellent as usual
As for anyone wondering why Micro Center has exclusivity on these... The 7000 series of processors has two major chips in them. The IO controller and one or two CCD. These are the same in all of the processors only they differ in the number of cores they have. All cores are located on the CCD, or Core Complex Die, and one CCD has eight (8) cores in total. This means that a 7600 only have one CCD and only six of these are activated. Now the CCD in a 7600 can be complete but with two disabled cores or it might have one or two damaged cores that's been deactivated. Meanwhile the 7700, 7800 and 8700 processors also has one CCD, but it's working completely with all eight cores. That means that both the 7600, 7700 and 7800 cost the same to manufacture. The 7900 has a total of twelve cores, so two CCD with six active cores on each while the 7950 also have two CCD but with all eight cores active on each for a total of 16 cores. Now we get to the 7800X3D. This has one full CCD or eight cores. Meanwhile the 7600X3d only have six cores on the CCD. Again the manufacturing cost for these processors is the same, but one has to be sold cheaper. To make this economical AMD are only building 7600X3D with CCD that is damaged so they can only use six cores. when building a 7600 they can afford to use full CCD and disable cores when they have to but the 7600X3D has an extra chiplet with the 3D cache. This makes them more expensive to make so AMD want to sell as many 7800X3D as possible, and with the market chowing down on these they have had no problem of selling them. Now the manufacturing yield has improved over time and those CCD are not all that common and they can't make enough 7600X3D to meet demands from the entire market, and yet they have a trickle of suitable CCD. Either they would be sitting on a small set of processors in stock or they sell what they got. Selling to the entire market would make them very had to keep in stock, so they looked at the market and chose to sell all of them to one reseller, Micro Center. Now you can buy them from Micro Center but even then they can tend to sell out as they are pretty cheap, and as shown here often outperforms 7700X3D in games even though that processor is more expensive. Looking back, that got to be a long explanation. Short explanation: The limited access to damaged CCD (core Complex Die) with six working cores makes it uneconomical to make 7600X3D processors with full CCD and disable two cores. So the limited supply is sold to Micro Center. Spreading it over the entire market would make it very hard to come by as so few are available.
Plus I would just add that amd uses Microcenter as a way to move stock without lowering the value of its products. It’s sort of like how companies would rather throw away excess stock sometimes than to sell it cheaper, and devalue the rest of their products. Because micro center is local, it means it doesn’t really affect the market in the same way as a seller like Newegg and Amazon. If Newegg or Amazon lower a price… that is the new market price for that item. But if microcenter lowers the price to move excess amd inventory… people still will buy it at higher prices elsewhere, because microcenter is almost seen as completely separate from the rest of the market. It’s sort of like how at fast food places if you order from value menu you can get basically the same food for half the price. It allows companies to sell to value customers, without hurting the margins for non value customers. Plus microcenter and amd have a deal where amd basically fronts microcenter the CPUs, which is why they can sell them such low margin… microcenter isn’t having to put up tons of capital up front to buy the CPUs. AMD instead fronts the capital, gives them the CPUs for free essentially, then Microcenter pays them back once they are sold.
yep if u are on AM4 just get one and save money for better GPU not worth upgrading whole platform specialyl if u are on less budget just look at the graphs they are basically top 5 all the time when it comes to gaming performance and its 3 years old release and like 6 years old platfrom absolute banger that AM4 platform
I picked one of these up for my SFF media center pc. I've been really impressed so far, especially with the low power draw and performance. I had sadly missed the chance to get the 5600x3D when that was around but I'm overall happy.
Dang if I didn't already have the 7800x3d (bought the dip a few months back) this would be tempting for that sweet bang-for-buck ratio. Looks like a great performer for the price point.
If u have a 500 or 540 hz monitor, ure not poor enough to not be able to buy the 7800x3d or 9800x3d. And for 240 and 360hz monitors, the 7600x3d shouldnt have any troubles. Rainbow six siege and cs2 are very close in fps, so the benchmarks are interchangeable.
@@kerkertrandov459 The problem is CS2 optimization. CS2 sucks at ALL CPUs not named X3D. Not the averages since they are good enough but the 1% and 0.1% lows which makes the game feel like playing on 100fps even though you are getting 400+.
I was just trying to find good benchmarks for the 7600x3d earlier today and was sad GN didn't have one. Thanks for reading my mind, sorry about the mess.
I know you have a lot to test. But I am curious, is it just a failed 7900x3d and produces the same game performance but at a lower cost? Or is it a failed 7800x3d?
The X3D dies are the same and just binned differently between 7800X3D, 7900X3D and 7950X3D. These are either dies that didn't make the cut in binning and had two cores deactivated or one or two of the cores was defective from the beginning.
With these new x3d models and 9000 series out, I am curious to see what if any advantage they have on something with a big factorio map benchmark like hardware unboxed did with the 7800x3d a year ago. I believe in the Steve/s!
Best CPU for Factorio is the 9800X3D if you can get one. Let the scalpers have their fun for a few weeks before the new batches solve the supply limit. The 7800X3D is good if you already have that, but has been out-done by its successor. However, take the following as a fun gossip rumor : someone has been posting 9950X3D Factorio benchmarks... that's a CPU that isn't released yet. And it's even better than the 9800X3D... if the CPU and the benchmark is real and not a false data input. AMD is supposed to release a Ryzen 9950X3D in early 2025. P.S. : You probably know, but for the benefit of lurkers, Factorio performance mesures UPS, not FPS.
Given that Microcenter offer these cpus in a combo deal, the 7600x3d is 190 USD, and the 9800x3d is 412 USD. So if you live near a Microcenter, the 7600x3d is a very strong budget cpu. It's probably the strongest budget cpu we've ever had. If only we had enough supply for it to not be an exclusive.
Running the 9800x3d on my rig, placed the first order at my local microcenter at 3:50 am. Stayed up refreshing the page all night. Worth it. But got one of these in a bundle with mobo and ram for nephews build for $399. Can't wait to build it for his Xmas gift. That price is solid!
I never thought we would get this review. I've been trying to convince my friend to get it (I have the 7800x3d so it doesn't make sense for me) he won't get it though because there isn't a good review of it. I love your work. Just ordered the transistor dice set, keep up the good work!
Finally! I've been waiting for this review and noone had reviewed it yet. I drove 3 hours to Micro Center for thier $449 bundle deal. Sold my 5800x3d, old motherboard and ram to pay for it all and got into AM5 for free. Was curious how my old CPU compared and it looks like I made a good choice. I'm now in AM5 and can upgrade to the 9800x3d when the price is right.
@@torukmahtomahto409 There's very little reason to upgrade from 5800X3D unless you're a flagship GPU buyer. 3D cache processors are unlikely to get outdated for gaming in a long time
@@torukmahtomahto409 Some are more than others, 3060ti was last gen it would be a bad card if you had to upgrade already. Stuff like 1080ti is future-proof, almost 10 years of it soon and it still crushes 1080p just fine.
@@anitaremenarova6662 true, but was 800+euro and i wonder if any same priced gpu will last like..i had 970 replaced almost to the end of warranty with 980ti which save me for ugrade and skip both next gen till 3060ti..let's see what's next..
If you have the time for another deep-dive I'd love to see one into what workloads are sensitive to what specs. For example, it's generally known that Blender likes cores or that FFXIV is sensitive to clocks and cache, but how big are those dependencies and is it possible to fit a simple model to them? I feel there could be some surprises in there, and it would be useful for choosing what workloads to test too.
Really seems like this is a nice entry point into AM5 if you are primarily focused on gaming. Think I'm going to grab this (goodbye i5 8400) and be ready to upgrade a GPU in 2-3 years
I've been loving my 7600X3D, been great performance to power usage, when I picked it up at the Micro Center in Cincinnati, they were selling off their old Deepcool CPU coolers
I also bought one of these from the MicroCenter in Charlotte for a gaming centric PC build for my wife. Their bundle deals there with this CPU were to good to justify buying the 7800X3D by itself given the mild performance difference in gaming and then factoring in the mobo and associated parts cost. Great review as always!
There actually is. I'm not sure how good it is, but 3D Mark makes one. We can maybe look into it. I'm not sure if it's load-intensive enough or reliable, but definitely this exists.
For consumers it makes absolutely no sense. Spreadsheets that are in the 500MB range, where every cell needs updating if you change the seed value, have trouble producing repeatable results. Going with a 1GB spread sheet to show a 5% difference between the top and the bottom is kinda stupid.
I don't think I want to buy this personallt but I'm glad to see this exists. X3D kinda seems like it's mainly a win for gamers but gamers also just don't really need a Ryzen 7 or Ryzen 9 if gaming is all they do.
@anitaremenarova6662 yeah that's true but that is less than typical and normally most relevant to people who play like strategy games or other games with heavy amounts of simulation.
@@Eepy-Rose Space Marine 2 and Cyberpunk also come to mind when it comes to vast NPC simulation. Otherwise though, you're fine with a 6 core part yeah.
Hi Steve and team, thanks for all your work keeping us up-to-date. Do I see the Be Quiet light fishtankcase in the background? If yes, can we expect a review shortly? I sure hope so! Thanks in advance!
As a FFXIV player that frequently is near the Miami Micro Center, I have been eyeing this CPU a lot. I'm dying to upgrade from my i5 9600K lol. Thanks for the review.
Yeah theres nothing good for around 300 euro right now. 7800x3d is 450 euro and 9800x3d is 550 euro right now. 5800x3d used is like 380-400 euro. 5700x3d is 200 euro.
@@0w784g yeah but if i have 300 euro im screwed. Not enough for smth better, while the 200 euro cpus arent good enough for my budget. Thats what annoys me so much. Theres no x3d cpus in this price range. Like if i buy a 4070 super for 600 euro, pairing it with a 200 euro cpu just feels so bad.
Just want to add to its awesomeness. My 7600x3d has taken the load off my 3080 and has it running at 72-74 Celsius opposed to the 80-82 Celsius with my 5700x cpu. It improved my response times, removed stutters entirely, and somehow call of duty, which I play religiously, gained visual fidelity on the same settings.
@@austoniobryant7549 So... being limited it all the time is better than being faster nearly always and occasionally being limited? Strange, that's the opposite of how every single part has run for what? The last 10 years?
In EU, I was looking at it (7600X3D). And it was available only in one shop in Germany. Other countries looked like out of luck at times I was checking. On that note. 9800X3D been sold out in minutes. I hope to get it in next batch.
Just got my soldering mat in the mail today, this thing is much more substantial than my amazon special soldering mat. Hope it holds up well to soldering/resin/airbrushing!
Another win for Micro Center! When the 5600X3D came out, I made sure I bought one. So when my son was complaining about his 3600X holding him back, I said I got ya bro. I think I might be picking up one of these in the the very near future.
@@cvd1 well, there is both 5700X3D and 5800X3D, with only difference being in clocks So we could see 7700X3D if AMD again finds a lot of 8 core X3D dies that don't perform to be sold as 7800X3D in their inventory (this 7600X3D release is probably a signal that they do)
I have bought a couple of these. With the bundle deal that comes with them, they make EXCELLENT options for a sensible budget and still having room to jam a 7900xt / 4070TiS in with it. The performance is wonderful
5xxx 3d chips are so good specially for gaming that its not even worth it upgrading plarforms rather save that money for better GPU and get way better gaming experience in general you do not need nothing more
@@tripleneck89 got a good deal for a 4070 ti super and i am getting a 5700x3d in a few days ^^ will be more than enough for the next 5 years at least seeing the 5700x3d so high in the benchmarks is insane will wait for am6 at this point lol
Well that was a surprise launch for sure. Neat, and also to the point review. Still 26 minutes of a short video :) I think it's interesting that they're making these now, seems to be a case of flushing out all the stock 7800X3Ds that didn't quite make it?
@@anitaremenarova6662 Guessing actually. They already said they won't compete at the ultra high end with 5090. But if the 5080 is faster than a 4090 and the 5070 Ti is just under the 4090, then they could do an 8900XT that's a bit faster and an 8800XT that's a bit under. It's all guess work though. We have to wait and see.
Hi Steve. I’m colorblind and the frequency test where the color of the line for non x3d and x3d looks almost identical. Idk if that a deliberate choice, but if it’s not can you make the color difference from green and yellow cause the line are really small and the only thing that help me I in differentiate between them is your narration
I don't have to drive hours. It's 15 minutes away, 20 minutes, away, and 23 minutes away (depending on if I want to go to the Virginia or either Maryland location.) MC stands to *gain* money by sending him this. MC stands to *lose* money by sending this to you. Let me know if you're still confused.
@ I’m not confused you think real highly of yourself kind of an ass. There’s not a Micro Center location close to everyone in the US so they’re advertising this thing that you can buy at Micro Center but they don’t ship it out nationwide so I don’t see how this is really getting that much money specially when you make customers pay for shipping, they’re paying for the product you’re still making money, you don’t gotta be like some pompous dickhead about it
Thank the lord, got this as part of their bundle and there has been 0 videos for me to truly compare notes with and make sure i'm getting the right performance out of it.
Very nice video👍 I am building a rig right now with a Ryzen 5 7600X3D & 4070ti Super, it was nice to see how well this performs compared and outperforms other cards that would appear stronger on paper. I feel like the 7600X3D was the right choice and the benefits of the 3D L3 Cache which is an amazing jump in performance! 🤯🥳
TBH this seems like the best home run of the current AM5 lineup! Such amazing value and efficiency for the $. Speaking as a 7800X3D owner, if I could have had this, I would have. Love the frames/watt on it!
Please include older cpus like the 9700k and 8700k, plenty of people still on those cpus. It would really help put things into perspective for us folks
Only in Microcenter. I wish they opened one in Québec. There is only one ( limited ) place to physically shop computer parts here ( Ordinateurs Canada ) and we could use some price competition. Besides, "MicroCentre" sounds awesome.
Why no 7500F in your charts? It was very popular. So a lot of people are thinking whether to update it, when and for what price. So it will be valuable info for the viewers to include in all future comparisons.
It's funny how the 7500f is more widely available but missing from the charts, while the 7600X3D being very unobtainable for the majority is having its own video
Bought it a few weeks ago on a trip to the USA sorta of in the dark, still haven't tested it so it's really nice to see this review! I won't regret missing the 7800X3D 😅
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Is it possible to have a little review with an undervolted profile for the 9800X3D ?
One of the best games to test those CPUs is Path of Exile end game maps
Steve, pls add to benchmarks llama.cpp - for AI capabilities. llama.cpp has a built-in benchmark, testing is very easy.
hey steve, since the ryzen 7 9800x3d is the fastest gaming cpu, will you switch to that processor for gpu testing?
Those reviews are pretty useless.
Who got 4900 and plays 1080!?
All those 3070 users, what their "6XXfps" would look like on 1440?
Who actually need more than fps?
Intel launches an entire gen that targets power efficiency.
Amd silent launches the most efficient cpu.
Intel has a lot to catch up in that regard.
Very efficient launch
Intel didn't really target efficiency specifically, it's just back to a reasonable level. It's the performance that is lacking.
The previous generations had to be pushed way past the optimal point, even to destruction, to compete.
There's probably some stuff intel needs to fix to adapt to a chiplet/tile design.
@@Tynted xD
@@CheeseOfMastersWell they should
AMD review jumpscare
Smiling Steve or facepalm Steve, and you know it's going to be a good time
That's hilarious
Intel shaking rn
Same. Lmao
Intel at 4am when they ran out of power on night 5...
*AMD CPU JUMPSCARE*
AMD: "we're just going to push the Intel ultra chips all the way down the charts cause we can"
they spent our money to black promos smh
The 285k was 1st place in every single category except decompression and photoshop where it lost to the 14900k. So no, amd isnt pushing down anyone, unless ure talking about games. But clearly these intel cpus werent made for games. U wouldnt buy an amd gpu for cuda, would u?
@@kerkertrandov459how much did intel pay you for this comment
@@kerkertrandov459you wouldn’t buy a 285k for productivity, you would buy a threadripper or eypc and get your work done way faster and use way less power also… the intel chips have no place
@kerkertrandov459 Nope 285k is only ahead in Chromium code compile and Adobe Premiere, even in terms of efficiency Amd is still ahead without any latency problems.
Source - Gamers Nexus 285k Review.
Ok I was not expecting this at all
Neither were we! It was funny seeing comments asking about it last week, because I was like "NO ONE TOLD ME THIS EXISTED!"
@ I bet there will be a 7700X3D coming soon
Tbh I don't think anyone expected this until GN suddenly released this video.
Why would you be?
@ there was no news about a 7600X3D at all!! No leaks, no media news about it like I didn’t even know that existed
I genuinely forgot this thing existed even though I distinctly remember that I read a few articles on it being a MCenter exclusive. I guess that makes the two of us lol
Hahaha, yep. I was totally clueless to its existence until viewers requested it.
@@GamersNexus i was confused cuz like i knew this has been out for ages, even actively recommending it to ppl near microcenters xD
@@AsthmaQueen It came out a month back? but that's it, its finally spreading to more outlets
@@DLTX1007I got it a month ago it came out a couple week prior so maybe 2 months ago. It's a solid cpu but am5 gas some quirks. Also the ram included with mc's $450 bundle isn't on asus qvl list so I think that has been the source of my lockups. It never bsods so I never get a reason for the lockup. Sometimes it takes 20 mins to restart the pc. It's such a strange thing and it seems like it's effected quite a few am5 owners.
@natel7382 QVL for AMD is actually very long and anyway, QVL is simply what's tested by AMD and whether the manufacturer requested it or not. I have put 48GB klevv kit in my 7950X3D and it's been really stable
450$ at microcenter for a WHOLE mb+memory+cpu is INSANE. If I didn't want a 9800x3d so bad, I would jump on this deal. Matching 7800x3d in most games while being more efficient? That's an absolute robbery at 7800x3d msrp and being cheaper than a single 9800x3d.
I am building a new PC next year. This might be the core of my new system!
Yup. For people who are looking strictly for gaming, it's tough to beat that.
pricing is too weird i used to say they all should priced higher than any ryzens to make sense
turned out theyre not, means theyre limited stock
Dont forget MC does have a 9800X3D bundle too and its $680 a bit more but still a decent bundle
That sounds good and all but I can't justify only 6 cores going into 2025.
Jesus 9800x3d for MAX WIN
and 7600x3d for MAX efficiency ? JESUS
I've heard rumors that the cores in the 9950x3D will actually work properly this time around making it way stronger than the Ryzen 7 variant. We are witnessing the death of Intel lmao
@@jrodd13 They tried to kill AMD.... serves them right.
@@jrodd13 I can only come so hard bro chill.
@@Stardomplayas much as Intel is absolute dogshit nowadays, we absolutely need them around or else AMD will simply become like Intel from about 7-8 years ago before Zen 1 launched. A monopoly does good for nobody except CEOs and shareholders and I can't believe there are people unironically rooting for Intel's demise.
@@someusername1872Tbf, that's no reason to stop criticizing them, the pressure is important
Thanks for hanging on to the Ryzen R5 3600 in some of the charts. I mostly care about light productivity workloads like compiling and it's interested to see how there's (barely) been a doubling of per-core performance after so many years and generations.
Yeah, enjoyed seeing r2600 as well, since I'm still on r1600af. :)
It has only been 5 years. That's not so long ago.
thanks for pointing this out, game me idea of using it as an approximation of my i7-6850k. Should be getting one of newer Ryzens in near future
I would like it if they included an Athlon64 or X2 or Core2 duo, FX-8350[8320], and any zen1 in the new benchmark tests for those of us still driving cast iron farm trucks or dealing with used hardware(Tons of cheap zen1 out there.).
At least for the website charts, I know screen space is limiting in videos.
For its power draw this seems like one hell of a little gaming CPU
Perfect for small form factor builds 👍
Microcenter Chicago has been selling their pre-made with these for a few weeks I think. At a very delicious price too!!
I just drove down from Milwaukee last night to pick up the $450 bundle :D Waiting for the rest of the newegg stuff to arrive this weekend :)
So glad you guys covered this, always wondered how it would stack up in a proper review. I built an SFF system for a friend using the 7600X3D, figured the slight loss in performance would be worth the lower heat generation. Seems like I made the right call!
bro you need to learn to undervolt.
Overheat to jail, undervolt; also to jail
7800X3D doesn't generate much heat either, slapped a 23 dollar fan cooler on it and it barely gets hot even in CPU intensive games like SM2.
My 7600x3d goes up to and above 60c constantly while gaming. I'm using a noctua d15s. I've had a bunch of issues with my pc tho. Never happens while gaming though which is strange so idk. I can't narrow down what's causing it either because it won't bsod it just locks up. Mouse works but nothing else then after 10 to 20 mins it just restarts. I just restart and it normally doesn't happen again for a bit.
Man, from scrappy competitor, to technically a better deal, to nearly insolvent, to releasing CPUs because f*ck you Intel, we just can. AMD has a crazy story arc.
In the last financial reports, we found out amd outselling Intel for data canter in terms of $$$ by about 500Mil USD.
(If the memory serves about the number ). Its nice to see.
(Well the elephant in the room is that Nvidia is outselling both, combined, doubled)
AMD WAS BETTER than intel back in the day, then they got surpassed...i remember the phenoms...
@@nicane-9966and saved x860with inventing AND64. Intel was putting all on the ITANIUM card and failed.😊
@@nicane-9966Yeah what was AMD thinking with the Bulldozers lmao
Listen to Jim Keller interviews when he talks what he did at AMD to kickstart ZEN. It was 10% technology, 90% psychology. Crazy stuff. The greatest living CPU legend was basically working as a therapist and motivational speaker and it worked.
AMD sure are covering their bases with this one
All your base are belong to us
@@TheHighborn Intel are on the way to destruction.
In Germany, the 7600X3D has been available on Mindfactory for quite some time now. I was pretty surprised to see it even existed, but did not hesitate to put the X3D into my cart instead of the regular 7600 for my mostly-gaming ITX build. This review gives me further assurance I made the right decision.
Have you tested it yet? I am also considering buying it.
Happy to hear that it's not a US exclusive. Does Mindfactory also limit sales to in person like Microcenter or it a more normal online retailer that sells and ships with online sales?
That's right! The 7600x3d would be a dream in an ITX build. Gaming and cooling performance at a price unmatched at the small footprint.
@@garyb7193 do you have it?
@@MitjaBonca Not ingame yet, as I have no GPU available yet, but in a first Cinebench run, my low-profile cooler (Thermalright SI-100) didn't even break a sweat.
Picked up the 7600x3D CPU/Mobo/RAM bundle a few weeks back and have been loving it. Grabbed it at the Microcenter in Westmont, IL. I paired it with a 7900XT that I grabbed for $630 during the October Newegg sales. Don’t regret it at all.
can i ask how the % useage has been on the cpu? im scared ill reach 100% again playing intensive games while having a stream open on the other screen, i got a 12400 with a 4070 right now and it sometimes happens
@@leroyengels9597 It's very efficient/low watt chip. I enabled pbo/undervolt and it idles at ~47C and hits ~60C in marvel rivals with firefox (stream playing), spotify, discord, and steam on a peerless assassin. It's sitting about 40-60% usage ingame as well on 1080p which should be pulling more of the power.
i was actually gonna ask when you were gonna review this but here it is!
As one blessed by being around Microcenter... I have been wondering, too!
So good to see; I've been tempted to recommend it to people.
I just searched your channel 2 hours ago looking for a review before I bought one. I don't think I'll ever buy something again without checking your reviews lol
the king cpu for SFF gaming builds with passive cooling , can't get any better .
Yeah, I don't think any 65W TDP cpu is going to be passively cooled. Not unless you're using the entire SFF case as the heat sink.
While gaming use is more around 45W. It's definitely possible to passively cool, especially if you undervolt.
just picked up my 7600x3d bundle from mc this morning cant wait to put the build together after hearing this review
Have fun!
follow up plz
Good luck mines been kind of a headache. If you don't want minute plus boot times turn on memory context restore and power down enabled. When you switch memory context it should auto enable power down but in case it doesn't, do it yourself. Also the ram that comes with the bundle isn't on asus qvl list so that's cool. I just flashed to the newest asus bios and hopefully my pc locking up stops but ya idk why my pc locks up, well the mouse works but nothing else. The pc won't bsod and after 20 mins og just being hung up it will restart. Event viewer is no help. Hopefully you don't have the issues I had.
have you got it yet? Can't hear how its going :)
@@MitjaBonca I wrote about it above. Not a bad cpu. Ram is junk.
I got the $450 bundle with the 7600x3d, a b650 ASUS gaming plus wifi board, and 32 GB of 6000/32 ram a few weeks back. Couldn't be happier with the setup (even though I wanted to dodge ASUS in general), and it looks like it'll have plenty of headroom at 1440p for a GPU upgrade or two. Also got the Peerless Assassin CPU cooler and the Lancool 207 after the GN reviews on them, and even when playing around with overclocking the GPU playing FF16, the whole system is staying under 60*C. The only downside of the whole thing was the 5 1/2 hour round trip to Micro Center...
congrats
Beautiful set up bro
Great deal.
How does it feel to be the smartest shopper? Seriously though, great choices and prices.
I picked up the same thing from my micro center 450 bucks for 7600x3D + ASUS mobo + 32 gb DDR5
Thanks Steve, back to Steve. No, the other Steve.
I bought my 7800X3D for $300 at Microcenter. Even several months ago they were selling the 7800X3D bundle for $479. Crazy how fast prices change.
That's a bundle of what I got 3 months ago,,man, perfect from day one...couldn't be happier! What an upgrade from 3700x...😊
I got mine for $380 but given that this was in europe that was excellent pricing.
LOL.... AMD was having none of the pouting about a non-worldwide release of the 5600/5700X3D this time. Just quietly dumped it all on Microcenter and whispered "make it disappear!". I'm actually all for this approach. Producing a wafer costs a lot of power, chemical usage and waste, so if anyone can benefit from the last crumbs, that are so rare it can't be a main line product, then good for them.
They did the same with the 5600X3D, also at Micro Center.
Oh, the 57x3D is in fact a worldwide release. Got mine in Taiwan.
@@tim3172 I believe that's what they meant
@@kingeling
We all know that 5700X3D is a chip that didn't make the complete check list to be a 5800X3D. So give it enough time, we'll eventually see a 9700X3D. Maybe on 2028 or so.
@@fajaradi1223 2028 ? Lmao that's too far, 2026 maybe even 25 at max. AMD won't be selling zen 5 long after zen 6's release. 5700x3D also appeared 2 years after 5800x3d not freaking 4 years.
Been waiting to see you guys review this, I haven't been able to find much on the internet about this model. Thanks, Steve!
FINALLY. I have been wondering if this is worth it at the old price of the 7800x3d micro center bundle. ($450)
I got that exact bundle a couple weeks ago and have been super happy with it. Wasn't a fan of the 5 1/2 hour round trip to Micro Center though lol.
@@ElderGamerXworth it, so sad i have no microcentrr i would love this
Intel: We are the fastest!
AMD: 9800X3D. Also Intel burns itself to death.
Intel: Okay, its efficiency time!
AMD: 7600X3D
Intel: Okay, budget time!
AMD: 5600G/5700X3D
Intel: ...
Intel: This is not fair… they cheat!
😂
I'm not a fanboy but intel 1x100 series are kinda worth it. 12100 is still on GN charts.
*5600/5700X3D. 5600G not so good due to lack of cache (biggest issue) and also PCIe 3.0 only (not so big of an issue).
@@monotheisticmortal5122 real actual budget lowend have no budget for a dedicated GPU.
A lot of people entering PC gaming are already very happy with a 5600G just to play your esports games and some singleplayer games like Witcher 3, etc. The 5600G is a nice mid-ground step allowing them to belay a new dedicated GPU while having decent gaming performance. The APU also allows a decent overclock in iGPU, memory controller, and IF. But the 5600G is usually paired with a B450/A520 or any of the PCIE3 AM4 boards that may noy have OC. When things are not enough or when they have built a better budget, they can either buy a new GPU, get a faster CPU/APU, or migrate to AM5.
The APU being Zen3 monolithic also means it is not as affected by RAM clock and latency allowing for cheaper 3200CL18 RAM modules to perform fast enough.
Lower budget would go 3200G or even the Athlon 3000G, but the 5600G is just miles ahead and its already superceded by AM5 APUs making it cheap enough but with enough performance.
@@ayuchanayuko yeah 5600g is alright if you don't have to gpu. I'll have you know that until the first half of this year I was doing my gaming on a Ryzen 5 2400G without a dedicated graphics card. It served me well until I had the money to make a proper gaming build.
How many takes did you do filming this? Saying 7600 x , 7600 non x and 7600x 3d a thousand times must ve sucked. Thanks for the video, excellent as usual
Probably just one
That's why he's the review guy
he's got years of practice doing exactly that. It's kind of his secret hobby.
Steve's an auctioneer in his spare time.
YOOO! I swear I mentioned having a 7600x3d review would be amazing this morning , after watching the CPU review. I come home from work and its HERE
As for anyone wondering why Micro Center has exclusivity on these...
The 7000 series of processors has two major chips in them. The IO controller and one or two CCD. These are the same in all of the processors only they differ in the number of cores they have.
All cores are located on the CCD, or Core Complex Die, and one CCD has eight (8) cores in total. This means that a 7600 only have one CCD and only six of these are activated. Now the CCD in a 7600 can be complete but with two disabled cores or it might have one or two damaged cores that's been deactivated. Meanwhile the 7700, 7800 and 8700 processors also has one CCD, but it's working completely with all eight cores. That means that both the 7600, 7700 and 7800 cost the same to manufacture. The 7900 has a total of twelve cores, so two CCD with six active cores on each while the 7950 also have two CCD but with all eight cores active on each for a total of 16 cores. Now we get to the 7800X3D. This has one full CCD or eight cores. Meanwhile the 7600X3d only have six cores on the CCD. Again the manufacturing cost for these processors is the same, but one has to be sold cheaper. To make this economical AMD are only building 7600X3D with CCD that is damaged so they can only use six cores. when building a 7600 they can afford to use full CCD and disable cores when they have to but the 7600X3D has an extra chiplet with the 3D cache. This makes them more expensive to make so AMD want to sell as many 7800X3D as possible, and with the market chowing down on these they have had no problem of selling them. Now the manufacturing yield has improved over time and those CCD are not all that common and they can't make enough 7600X3D to meet demands from the entire market, and yet they have a trickle of suitable CCD. Either they would be sitting on a small set of processors in stock or they sell what they got. Selling to the entire market would make them very had to keep in stock, so they looked at the market and chose to sell all of them to one reseller, Micro Center. Now you can buy them from Micro Center but even then they can tend to sell out as they are pretty cheap, and as shown here often outperforms 7700X3D in games even though that processor is more expensive.
Looking back, that got to be a long explanation.
Short explanation: The limited access to damaged CCD (core Complex Die) with six working cores makes it uneconomical to make 7600X3D processors with full CCD and disable two cores. So the limited supply is sold to Micro Center. Spreading it over the entire market would make it very hard to come by as so few are available.
This is also the same reason why there's no Ryzen 3. Yield is too good.
Yes, that's what they claimed last time too.
Plus I would just add that amd uses Microcenter as a way to move stock without lowering the value of its products.
It’s sort of like how companies would rather throw away excess stock sometimes than to sell it cheaper, and devalue the rest of their products. Because micro center is local, it means it doesn’t really affect the market in the same way as a seller like Newegg and Amazon. If Newegg or Amazon lower a price… that is the new market price for that item. But if microcenter lowers the price to move excess amd inventory… people still will buy it at higher prices elsewhere, because microcenter is almost seen as completely separate from the rest of the market.
It’s sort of like how at fast food places if you order from value menu you can get basically the same food for half the price. It allows companies to sell to value customers, without hurting the margins for non value customers.
Plus microcenter and amd have a deal where amd basically fronts microcenter the CPUs, which is why they can sell them such low margin… microcenter isn’t having to put up tons of capital up front to buy the CPUs. AMD instead fronts the capital, gives them the CPUs for free essentially, then Microcenter pays them back once they are sold.
@@JohnWalker-j7t amd should also give me a cpu for free. I'll pay it back, eventually
@@kerkertrandov459 😅
I have been salivating for a proper 7600X3D review
i genuinely believe that 5800x3d is more than enough for most people for the next 7~8 years still
It's soled out.
Yeah I think the 5800x3d will continue to be a gaming beast until the next console generation at the very least
True however it's end of life now so anyone new should get 5700X3D if they only use their PC for gaming
Yeah not worth updating until AM6 platform. Anyone gaming at 1440p or higher don't need to upgrade for a while.
@@anitaremenarova6662 i have a 5600x, do you think i should upgrade to 5700x3D ?
Every new CPU benchmark I'm blown away with longevity and performance of AM4 with 5000 X3D
yep if u are on AM4 just get one and save money for better GPU not worth upgrading whole platform specialyl if u are on less budget just look at the graphs they are basically top 5 all the time when it comes to gaming performance and its 3 years old release and like 6 years old platfrom absolute banger that AM4 platform
I picked one of these up for my SFF media center pc. I've been really impressed so far, especially with the low power draw and performance. I had sadly missed the chance to get the 5600x3D when that was around but I'm overall happy.
I am currently running a 7600x3d for gaming only. Works very well for me!
You can get a 7600x3d/ram/mobo combo for 449 at microcenter for anyone that lives near one. Heck of a deal.
$400 now
@Juicetra10 Nice!
Dang if I didn't already have the 7800x3d (bought the dip a few months back) this would be tempting for that sweet bang-for-buck ratio. Looks like a great performer for the price point.
You need to make CS2 part of your default testing -_-
Agreed. In the past, CS2 wasn't ready, but these days the performance doesn't seem to change much between updates.
@@HoboWithWifiYep it’s also the biggest esports title on steam
If u have a 500 or 540 hz monitor, ure not poor enough to not be able to buy the 7800x3d or 9800x3d.
And for 240 and 360hz monitors, the 7600x3d shouldnt have any troubles. Rainbow six siege and cs2 are very close in fps, so the benchmarks are interchangeable.
@@kerkertrandov459 The problem is CS2 optimization. CS2 sucks at ALL CPUs not named X3D. Not the averages since they are good enough but the 1% and 0.1% lows which makes the game feel like playing on 100fps even though you are getting 400+.
@@vik1ng313 ok 1% low is just that, only 1% of the time. The other 99% are u gonna blame ur cpu too for being shot?
watching this on a 7600x3d!! absolutely love it. picked up a used chip off of jawa :)
Based af
You already have a used one?? 🤔
Used already? Damn did someone use it for a few days?
@@Arcona Probably impulse bought it then upgraded to 9800X3D when that came out or something.
Seems to be one fomo for 9800x3d lol
I was just trying to find good benchmarks for the 7600x3d earlier today and was sad GN didn't have one. Thanks for reading my mind, sorry about the mess.
Your review took a bit longer than other to arrive but was well worth the wait. Top quality as always. Love y'all! Thanks!
I know you have a lot to test. But I am curious, is it just a failed 7900x3d and produces the same game performance but at a lower cost? Or is it a failed 7800x3d?
It's probably both tbh, just guessing there
It’s actually a 7800x3D with disabled cores.
The X3D dies are the same and just binned differently between 7800X3D, 7900X3D and 7950X3D. These are either dies that didn't make the cut in binning and had two cores deactivated or one or two of the cores was defective from the beginning.
@@nanotyrannus5435 there are even occasions where its a 2 die chip, der8auer had one
Thanks a lot for the review!!! Been waiting for someone to review this for a long time!
With these new x3d models and 9000 series out, I am curious to see what if any advantage they have on something with a big factorio map benchmark like hardware unboxed did with the 7800x3d a year ago. I believe in the Steve/s!
Best CPU for Factorio is the 9800X3D if you can get one.
Let the scalpers have their fun for a few weeks before the new batches solve the supply limit.
The 7800X3D is good if you already have that, but has been out-done by its successor.
However, take the following as a fun gossip rumor : someone has been posting 9950X3D Factorio benchmarks... that's a CPU that isn't released yet. And it's even better than the 9800X3D... if the CPU and the benchmark is real and not a false data input.
AMD is supposed to release a Ryzen 9950X3D in early 2025.
P.S. : You probably know, but for the benefit of lurkers, Factorio performance mesures UPS, not FPS.
Literally just finished your Ryzen 7 7800X3D video and delighted to hear from you of other options available.
Given that Microcenter offer these cpus in a combo deal, the 7600x3d is 190 USD, and the 9800x3d is 412 USD. So if you live near a Microcenter, the 7600x3d is a very strong budget cpu. It's probably the strongest budget cpu we've ever had. If only we had enough supply for it to not be an exclusive.
You can always chill with a 5700X3D and wait until 9700X3D/9600X3D launches.
Its had a 50 dollar discount so its even better now, the 7600x3d is 150 usd in the bundle
Running the 9800x3d on my rig, placed the first order at my local microcenter at 3:50 am. Stayed up refreshing the page all night. Worth it.
But got one of these in a bundle with mobo and ram for nephews build for $399. Can't wait to build it for his Xmas gift. That price is solid!
Picking mine up Saturday. MC has 2 bundles going both for under $500 that packages mobo and ram.
I never thought we would get this review. I've been trying to convince my friend to get it (I have the 7800x3d so it doesn't make sense for me) he won't get it though because there isn't a good review of it. I love your work. Just ordered the transistor dice set, keep up the good work!
Finally! I've been waiting for this review and noone had reviewed it yet. I drove 3 hours to Micro Center for thier $449 bundle deal. Sold my 5800x3d, old motherboard and ram to pay for it all and got into AM5 for free. Was curious how my old CPU compared and it looks like I made a good choice. I'm now in AM5 and can upgrade to the 9800x3d when the price is right.
It is only a MC deal, elsewhere 57x3d-the real VFM even with a new AM4 rig, and 58x3d users will stay away and probably skip the AM5 at those prices..
@@torukmahtomahto409 There's very little reason to upgrade from 5800X3D unless you're a flagship GPU buyer. 3D cache processors are unlikely to get outdated for gaming in a long time
@@anitaremenarova6662 None electronics ar future proof, also for Gpu==running on 3060ti and waiting for 5000 series...Patience is a Virtue..
@@torukmahtomahto409 Some are more than others, 3060ti was last gen it would be a bad card if you had to upgrade already. Stuff like 1080ti is future-proof, almost 10 years of it soon and it still crushes 1080p just fine.
@@anitaremenarova6662 true, but was 800+euro and i wonder if any same priced gpu will last like..i had 970 replaced almost to the end of warranty with 980ti which save me for ugrade and skip both next gen till 3060ti..let's see what's next..
If you have the time for another deep-dive I'd love to see one into what workloads are sensitive to what specs. For example, it's generally known that Blender likes cores or that FFXIV is sensitive to clocks and cache, but how big are those dependencies and is it possible to fit a simple model to them? I feel there could be some surprises in there, and it would be useful for choosing what workloads to test too.
Really seems like this is a nice entry point into AM5 if you are primarily focused on gaming. Think I'm going to grab this (goodbye i5 8400) and be ready to upgrade a GPU in 2-3 years
Just picked this up. Thanks for the review you helped me with this choice
Any chance you could still sometimes include the 5950X please? In the past it has shown some impressive efficiency behaviour.
I just discovered this CPU a few days ago. Wasn't expecting a GN review!
I've been loving my 7600X3D, been great performance to power usage, when I picked it up at the Micro Center in Cincinnati, they were selling off their old Deepcool CPU coolers
I also bought one of these from the MicroCenter in Charlotte for a gaming centric PC build for my wife. Their bundle deals there with this CPU were to good to justify buying the 7800X3D by itself given the mild performance difference in gaming and then factoring in the mobo and associated parts cost. Great review as always!
I know this is an odd request, but is there a spreadsheet (such as excel or origin) benchmark?
There actually is. I'm not sure how good it is, but 3D Mark makes one. We can maybe look into it. I'm not sure if it's load-intensive enough or reliable, but definitely this exists.
For consumers it makes absolutely no sense. Spreadsheets that are in the 500MB range, where every cell needs updating if you change the seed value, have trouble producing repeatable results. Going with a 1GB spread sheet to show a 5% difference between the top and the bottom is kinda stupid.
Finally a proper review for it, thank you Steve, you tech Jesus
Never thought a (GN) review would jump scare me, but it’s 2024 😅👍
I just built a my first pc with this chip and the 7800xt. About to get my windows key and see this puppy in action. Can't wait
I don't think I want to buy this personallt but I'm glad to see this exists. X3D kinda seems like it's mainly a win for gamers but gamers also just don't really need a Ryzen 7 or Ryzen 9 if gaming is all they do.
Depends on the game, some are extremely CPU intensive and utilize the extra cores.
@anitaremenarova6662 yeah that's true but that is less than typical and normally most relevant to people who play like strategy games or other games with heavy amounts of simulation.
@@Eepy-Rose Space Marine 2 and Cyberpunk also come to mind when it comes to vast NPC simulation. Otherwise though, you're fine with a 6 core part yeah.
Hi Steve and team, thanks for all your work keeping us up-to-date.
Do I see the Be Quiet light fishtankcase in the background? If yes, can we expect a review shortly? I sure hope so!
Thanks in advance!
As a FFXIV player that frequently is near the Miami Micro Center, I have been eyeing this CPU a lot. I'm dying to upgrade from my i5 9600K lol. Thanks for the review.
Sounds like the perfect upgrade with a limited budget. Hope you have fun with it!
@@DerIchBinDa I got it, it's been great! Having a better experience with much more consistent FPS.
@@guiltygamerxrd Awesome! Have fun
Nice, I was curious about this. I bought this CPU the very next day it came out for a friend's build. It's a beast.
another slap in the face for non-microcenter and non-USA consumers
Yeah theres nothing good for around 300 euro right now. 7800x3d is 450 euro and 9800x3d is 550 euro right now. 5800x3d used is like 380-400 euro.
5700x3d is 200 euro.
Its not a USA exclusive, in germany they sell it at mindfactory for 309€
@@kerkertrandov459Huh? Can't you get a 13/14600 for under 200 Eur right now? They're arguably better than this.
@@0w784g yeah but if i have 300 euro im screwed. Not enough for smth better, while the 200 euro cpus arent good enough for my budget. Thats what annoys me so much. Theres no x3d cpus in this price range. Like if i buy a 4070 super for 600 euro, pairing it with a 200 euro cpu just feels so bad.
Better than these becoming wasted sand. 😅
Just want to add to its awesomeness. My 7600x3d has taken the load off my 3080 and has it running at 72-74 Celsius opposed to the 80-82 Celsius with my 5700x cpu. It improved my response times, removed stutters entirely, and somehow call of duty, which I play religiously, gained visual fidelity on the same settings.
Small form factor king?
Good point. At that power draw, yes, definitely very suitable for SFF.
no 7800x3d is, works extremely well in my 5 liter case with 4070ti super
@@fourtii8707 True, but thermal limitations would be much more manageable with the 7600X3D.
@@austoniobryant7549 So... being limited it all the time is better than being faster nearly always and occasionally being limited?
Strange, that's the opposite of how every single part has run for what? The last 10 years?
@ I'm gonna need you to rewrite that😭😭
In EU, I was looking at it (7600X3D). And it was available only in one shop in Germany. Other countries looked like out of luck at times I was checking.
On that note. 9800X3D been sold out in minutes. I hope to get it in next batch.
Genuinely had no idea this existed until now
Just got my soldering mat in the mail today, this thing is much more substantial than my amazon special soldering mat. Hope it holds up well to soldering/resin/airbrushing!
My recent purchase of a 5700x3d for 175 and it being a drop in upgrade for my pc was by far the better budget choice than either of these
If you have an AM4 system there isn't really a point in upgrading yet, you're right.
yep banger deal
Another win for Micro Center! When the 5600X3D came out, I made sure I bought one. So when my son was complaining about his 3600X holding him back, I said I got ya bro. I think I might be picking up one of these in the the very near future.
7700X3D incoming boys
7800x3d IS the 7700x3d.
It's based on the 7700x
I'd go for it if it's boost clocks would be 100mhz lower than 7800x3d
@@cvd1 well, there is both 5700X3D and 5800X3D, with only difference being in clocks
So we could see 7700X3D if AMD again finds a lot of 8 core X3D dies that don't perform to be sold as 7800X3D in their inventory (this 7600X3D release is probably a signal that they do)
@@niter43 yea but there's no 5900x3d
@@cvd1 Not yet lol
Was super interested about it!!! Thanks!
Most people don't live near a microcenter 😭
I'm making a day trip out of it, I live like 3-4hrs away from one
Most people dont even live in the US.
I love my 5600X3D. Going with AM4 in 2018 was the best gaming PC decision I ever made.
I got the 7600x3D in a microcenter bundle and I paired it with a 4070 super. It is A good combo for 1440p gaming.
I have bought a couple of these. With the bundle deal that comes with them, they make EXCELLENT options for a sensible budget and still having room to jam a 7900xt / 4070TiS in with it. The performance is wonderful
I'd say 4080/7900XTX is where you would need a CPU this powerful, most people are still fine with 5700X3D
it will be a killer if they silently launched 9600x3d at usd300
They won't launch those for a long time. They will need to accumulate a lot of failed 9800x3d's.
Great review and analysis as always !
I am SO glad i got a 5700x3D for 192 when I did. I think it will be fine through my next GPU
5xxx 3d chips are so good specially for gaming that its not even worth it upgrading plarforms rather save that money for better GPU and get way better gaming experience in general you do not need nothing more
@@tripleneck89 i have a 5600x, do you think i should upgrade to 5700x3D ?
@@tripleneck89 got a good deal for a 4070 ti super and i am getting a 5700x3d in a few days ^^ will be more than enough for the next 5 years at least
seeing the 5700x3d so high in the benchmarks is insane
will wait for am6 at this point lol
Well that was a surprise launch for sure. Neat, and also to the point review. Still 26 minutes of a short video :)
I think it's interesting that they're making these now, seems to be a case of flushing out all the stock 7800X3Ds that didn't quite make it?
Ik it's not happening but I wish AMD made a GPU to compete with the 4090 (future 5090) I really wanna go full AMD
RX8000 top end might be same as 4090 perf. We'll have to wait and see.
I mean the 7900xtx isn't much slower for half the price.
Is hard to expect AMD doing everything...
@@Arcona Delusions, RX8000 will only have 8800XT at the top which will be a cheaper 4080
@@anitaremenarova6662 Guessing actually. They already said they won't compete at the ultra high end with 5090. But if the 5080 is faster than a 4090 and the 5070 Ti is just under the 4090, then they could do an 8900XT that's a bit faster and an 8800XT that's a bit under. It's all guess work though. We have to wait and see.
Hi Steve. I’m colorblind and the frequency test where the color of the line for non x3d and x3d looks almost identical. Idk if that a deliberate choice, but if it’s not can you make the color difference from green and yellow cause the line are really small and the only thing that help me I in differentiate between them is your narration
It’s kind of bullshit that they’ll ship you the stuff, but you have to actually drive hours to buy the stuff if you’re a regular regular person
I don't have to drive hours. It's 15 minutes away, 20 minutes, away, and 23 minutes away (depending on if I want to go to the Virginia or either Maryland location.)
MC stands to *gain* money by sending him this.
MC stands to *lose* money by sending this to you.
Let me know if you're still confused.
@ I’m not confused you think real highly of yourself kind of an ass. There’s not a Micro Center location close to everyone in the US so they’re advertising this thing that you can buy at Micro Center but they don’t ship it out nationwide so I don’t see how this is really getting that much money specially when you make customers pay for shipping, they’re paying for the product you’re still making money, you don’t gotta be like some pompous dickhead about it
He could get someone to buy it and ship it to him or just buy one on the internet. Granted it would cost more money
Thank the lord, got this as part of their bundle and there has been 0 videos for me to truly compare notes with and make sure i'm getting the right performance out of it.
Quiet launch means no money spent on marketing. But it's a specific seller exclusive, so not surprising I guess.
Very nice video👍 I am building a rig right now with a Ryzen 5 7600X3D & 4070ti Super, it was nice to see how well this performs compared and outperforms other cards that would appear stronger on paper. I feel like the 7600X3D was the right choice and the benefits of the 3D L3 Cache which is an amazing jump in performance! 🤯🥳
TBH this seems like the best home run of the current AM5 lineup! Such amazing value and efficiency for the $. Speaking as a 7800X3D owner, if I could have had this, I would have. Love the frames/watt on it!
Shadow launches are so weird
These are failed 7800X3D chips, they can't do a full launch because there isn't enough stock.
@@anitaremenarova6662 I understand that, but not even informing outlets of release dates etc. is odd.
So ready to make my visit to microcenter tomorrow for this. Upgrading from a 5600 so were gonna be cooking
Microcenter exclusives need to stop. I want one but I live on the other side of the world, so I can NEVER get it. Great. :)
Mindfactory which is Germany exclusive also sells them.
Please include older cpus like the 9700k and 8700k, plenty of people still on those cpus. It would really help put things into perspective for us folks
What?! 7600x3D? where?
Only in Microcenter.
I wish they opened one in Québec.
There is only one ( limited ) place to physically shop computer parts here ( Ordinateurs Canada ) and we could use some price competition.
Besides, "MicroCentre" sounds awesome.
Newegg as well
That low power draw is crazy. This could be an awesome CPU to have in a laptop
Why no 7500F in your charts? It was very popular. So a lot of people are thinking whether to update it, when and for what price.
So it will be valuable info for the viewers to include in all future comparisons.
7500F
It's funny how the 7500f is more widely available but missing from the charts, while the 7600X3D being very unobtainable for the majority is having its own video
7500f is 7600 without igpu man
@KienLe-fb7xg almost. Plus 100Mhz less.
@ belike less than 2%
This came out right when I was looking to upgrade my pc and I jumped on the bundle, great deal.
Bought it a few weeks ago on a trip to the USA sorta of in the dark, still haven't tested it so it's really nice to see this review! I won't regret missing the 7800X3D 😅
Wow! Finally someone did this. Thank you.