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Those dice sets are awesome. Literally the first thing that came to my mind was "those dice are loaded". But then my doubts were shattered by the GN-typical intensive testing and statistical evaluation 😂
Wow. That stellaris performance. Wow. Thanks so much for covering 4x games where cpu is much more important as it impacts how much game I can play in a given time.
What are they actually testing there? They didn't describe the method for it and you can have very different results depending on game state and settings.
i wish they'd add a factorio megabase simulation in the cpu review for this reason. big factorio bases looooove cpu power, especially the X3D chips. no personal bias here either no sir
Interesting thing is that Stellaris is still using the older version of the Clauswitz engine (game engine for Paradox 4x games), which typically only use 2 cores very heavily. Newer Paradox games like Vic3 and CK3 (especially CK3) use 5-6 cores on average so the gains from this CPU might even be larger.
Imagine if Intel had given Skylake the eDRAM cache of Broadwell (which Skylake supported). Peter Bright of Ars wrote a good article condemning Intel for withholding it simply because AMD wasn't competing enough to pressure the company into making a much better part.
@@TheCgOrion No, but if Skylake had had the eDRAM the precedent would have really been set that it's needed for gaming performance. That would have sped-up the introduction of large caches.
@syrinx9196 Oh, for sure, and there was evidence of it for many generations. Remember the Extreme Editions for the Pentium line, that had large caches? Not that their biggest bottleneck was the cache.
@@GamersNexus Intel needs to spearhead an absolutely revolutionary manufacturing process that the competitors can't touch...at least in the short term. I really don't know what Pat Gelsinger is doing. Because I've never seen such a weak leader in a tech company. He is not getting out of his way to inspire innovation from his people. Intel needs a Steve Jobs type desperately.
@@SAVA47-00even on 1440p you’ll see hit performance uplifts with a high end GPU. But they test 1080p because it’s the best way to test cpu limitations and performance which is what they’re doing
@fsub9834 no I don't think Its worth dropping $1000 for "maybe 8%"...what is the point of testing in 1080p when most people will use it in 1440p and 4 k high end rigs
@SAVA47-00 this is a cpu review, so im assuming gamer nexus is trying to limit the amount of work the gpu is doing to accurately measure the performance of the cpu by itself, not the cpu+gpu combo
@@GamersNexus I followed your advice on Ryzen 5 3600 and 5700XT inside the Silverstone RVZ03. Few months back I upgraded to 5800X3D and the rest of the build still serves very well, even on 4k screen in some old games. Thanks guys, you never disappoint!
@@volvo09 add the 5600x to that hall of fame as well. The CPU is still doing good work in Budget Setups and deals well with modern titles. It manages to get Dragons Dogma to stable 60 FPS on 1080p and even manages to deal well with the upcoming Monster Hunter Wilds, it smashes games like Cyberpunk 2077 and more :P
Userbenchmark comment about the 7800X3D - 'PC gamers considering a 7000X3D CPU need to work on their critical thinking skills: Influencers are paid handsomely to promote overpriced niche products (X3D, EPYC, Threadripper etc.).' Cant wait for the 9800X3D review. I havent laughed this well in weeks.
The experimental "delta in USD/FPS at various simulated prices" chart is very interesting to me and I hope you continue to include it and refine it. Even in it's current state I would like to see it as a regular addition to your reviews, especially if there are contrasts that GN thinks are particularly illuminating.
@@alexandruciordas4941 Even when Alder Lake was launched the i9 had 1% and 0.1% low problems 😂. Since my 12700K is 8+4, it's a simply chip therefore straightfoward scheduling.
I mean, unless you're spending much more on your GPU than I intend to ever do, the 5800X3D practically didn't age at all. Like @EmblemParade, I expect to skip AM5 and just go with upgrading my GPU at some point.
AMD unironically taking the gaming crown from Intel is an astonishing comeback tbh. I really thought they were dead with Bulldozer, im glad to see Ryzen literally bring a company back from the dead, and then go on to take the lead(in gaming, for now, ofc)
Lol you don't have to qualify it with "in gaming". They've been kicking Intel's ass for years basically everywhere else (development/productivity/workstations, servers).
@@JMurph2015 Im a gamer, not an industry fella, so im just trying to limit my statements to things im actually confident in my opinions on. Ive heard great things about AMDs non-gaming business as well though, and im excited to see where they go from here.
@@khirasier thats only because they consider the 9000 series to be “Only a few %’s above 7000 Series” And 7000 series is worse because it “Flopped on Launch and had instability issues” But don’t worry, Userbenchmarks correctly acknowledges that the 285K is inferior value compared to Intel 12th and 13th Gen chips. It just believes that after Zen 3, AMD stopped making any gains.
@@Baconator119 yea but then they will hype it when windows fixes the scheduling issues and blame the performance on that when that was basically the same issue 7000 series had on launch
Wonder if they remove from they value chart "time on market" or whatever it was called, that made 7800x3d considerably worse than Intel's 14th gen chips😂
Did my impression earlier elsewhere in comments but might be something like '285k is the superior Intel gaming CPU. AMD has superior paid TH-cam marketing but don't let that sway you the 285K is the latest and greatest.' UB posts should be taken for the farce it is.
That experimental chart was just what I was thinking of: could you add to your website something that allows people to input the prices they have access to and outputs the price-equivalent values? It would make the data you produce relevant basically forever
@@GamersNexus You could also make it a graph. That way, you just need to look at where the lines cross and don't need to enter prices. Basically, make the y-axis dollars per unit of performance (relative to the 9800x3D), and the x-axis the price for the 7800x3D. If you want to do multiple games at the same time, you just draw multiple lines in different colors. This even accounts for different 9800x3D prices, since any given price has its own constant y-value that you can simply mark on the y-axis.
It may have to note “performance figures as of x”, as drivers, operating systems, and GN’s test methodologies evolve over time… keeping performance figures current, I could see just not being worth the effort after a period of time
What's crazy is my 5950x barely shows up on any charts and it's not that old! It was peak efficiency when I got it, and pretty good performance across the board. Good to see this progress from AMD.
Holy shit is that an actual good generational improvement? I've heard legends speak of such things but it's been so long since we've actually seen one!
@@connivingkhajiit Oh absolutely. I just meant that since the 7800X3D we've had the 9000 non-X3D launch which was disappointing and two whole generations of Intel that were basically duds. It hasn't actually been that long since we had good new CPUs, but the bad launches have been so tiring lately that it sure as heck feels like it.
Back in the early 2000’s, I always said AMD was here to keep Intel honest. Not anymore. I have always been an intel customer, even though my last build was with an i7-3930k and my Samsung SSD 512 cost $512.00 new. I believe I will get the AMD 9800x3D for my new build. Thank you Steve. I have been out of the computer rig building game for 10 years now, and watching your informational videos has helped me get caught up really quick!!
My i5-3570 was painfully slow back in 2019, that made my 5600X feel so much faster, I can't say the 3930 would be much better with such limited cache, so I'm surprised you lasted this long.
Same, havent had an AMD build since Athlon but the difference between this and arrowlake is so insane I feel like I'd be stupid not go switch for my next build.
So happy to still see the 5800x3d preforming so well :D. Got mine at the start of 2023 on a whim, upgraded from my 3900x. Gave the 3900x to my sister upgrading her 3700x, and build my dad a new pc with the 3700x. Not only was it a great upgrade for me, but it also facilitated upgrades for the whole family :D
same me too i was R9 3900X to 5800X3D now yet still best good gaming. i think i dont need new CPU upgrade! i may bit later 1-2 years AMD CPU upgrade! i wait for new 8900XTX with 5800X3D perfect 1440p gaming this right?
@@Blackaman0 Yea I don't feel any immediate pressure to upgrade CPU's yet, hopefully it lasts a few years :) I have a 6900xt and its been handling pretty much any game at 1440p no problem, so their new card will definitely handle 1440p
yeah yeah me also R7 5800X3D with RX 6800XT no problem with fps enough play 1080p or 1440p. I don't like 4K is problem fps but not necessary why 1080p is good enough for me! I don't get it many people always rush upgrade! don't get it that's enough fps game! if I buy 8900XTX with 5800X3D as very good fps then no need CPU upgrade better later to 2027 new AM6 :) Thanks for your answer. have a nice evening :) @@Amber_Oakheart
Few weeks ago, ive seen many comments absolutely trashing the 9800x3d saying its a waste of money and it will only about 8% better than 7800x3d lol. But now its out, its actually a great product.
@@awebuser5914 My guy, the higher resolution you go, games tend to be more gpu limited than cpu, so it doens't matter what cpu you use. So realisticly you wouldn't find any meaningful fps gain over last gen if you compare them in say 4k or even in 1440p. And that's why you should only upgarade after couple gen for cpu.
actually seeing a stellaris benchmark is great considering how much i play that game, thats why i upgraded to a 5800x3d in the first place, that much of an improvement is something for me to consider upgrading, thanks!
Lets take some time to acknowledge the talent of the engineering teams at AMD that produced this product. Its an absolute beast of a gaming cpu, with efficient power use, and a reasonable price.
Not me. Due to home reno, I didn't have the necessaries lying around to get one when I could. Now I can only find it overpriced from scalpers on Ebay - where I can't even trust them not to sell me a fake. Kicking myself! 😭
@@michaelhoffmann2891 Or just get the 5700x3d since it's just a little slower than the 5800x3d and no scalpers since it's still currently in production.
@@NJ-wb1cz I went from 27 to 37x to 58x3d all on the same mobo, so if am5 is around the same amount of time... A 98x3d now could probably be upgraded twice more before a new mobo is needed. I really like this cadence.
@@HMarcBower I doubt there will be a reason to ever upgrade 9800x3d for gaming, but who knows. Given how the progress noticeably slows down, wouldn't be surprise if it will be fine even in 10 years
@@xBROLISx oh not online of course (for me), had to deal with my local computer store. pay deposit and voila either next week or mid november, waited for 2 months and i sure can wait for longer ngl.
Super nice review, thanks. Would be nice to incorporate more MSFS2020 benchmarks as it's heavily CPU-bound, specially on airliners + max ground and building detail as all of those kill CPU very quickly, very few reviewers incorporate that, none with the special CPU-heavy settings.
Please consider adding some very popular esports games to the CPU tests, as those are exactly the scenarios where you'd need very high FPS. Like League of Legends, Valorant, CS2, Fortnite, etc. Also, Path of Exile is the most popular ARPG game, I bet many would be interested about what gains could be made on upgrading the CPU alone.
I have a 3800xt that just crapped on me. Im super excited for this. Im not gonna wait for a 50 series cars either. Gonna get a 4080 super during black friday and chill.
Saw this posted on reddit, switched to tablet for the bigger screen and without thinking i typed "tech jesus" into youtube, first result is Gamers Nexus channel, Nice.
I appreciate that you still have the 2600 and 2700 on the benchmarks, it's the closest thing I've got to my TR2950x for reference. I'm thinking it might be time to upgrade.
yeah, it was nice to see my 2600 finally show up in a chart. however, i'm now even MORE excited to receive my $140 5700x3d! it's going to be a big jump from my 2600.
@@carlos2004 I'm sure you'll love it! I have a system I put together with a 5700G (G was cheap at the time) and 6700XT and it blows my 2950+6900XT out of the water for gaming. Sticking with the 2950 for my main rig until maybe 9950x3d because I need the threads. Looking @ benchmarks though I think the 9800x3d would probably perform better even in multithreading lol.
@@devilselbow Running a 2700X as well, and while I don't technically absolutely need an upgrade, I do really want one, especially now seeing that the 1% lows of the 9800X3D is roughly the same or greater than the average FPS of the 2700X.
Same. I do a fairly even mix of production and gaming, but 285k vs 9800x3d seems like a choice between one or the other. I'm hoping the 9950X3D can come at least somewhere near the top on both, and then I'll definitely take the leap to AMD away from intel for the first time.
Just so that people shut up about it already, the reason they test at 1080p and with strong gpus is to eliminate as much of the gpu bottleneck as possible. This means you can see the true strength of the cpu better. Come on guys, this is very simple to understand...
@@germanicviking6462 The purpose is to show the true power compared to other cpus, not to show the power at a specific resolution because not everyone plays at the same resolution.
@@germanicviking6462 The core idea is to make the cpu work as hard as possible without beeing gpu limited. Using the most powerful gaming grade card. Since HD is the lowest universal standard it is the reference for almost all reviewers. There will be tests about with gpu x and this cpu at resolve you want to know. For gpu the test is slightly different. Fastest cpu, and pushing the gpu at every resolution.
That's not the point, bruh. Of course you also have to test at 1080p to see the theoretical strength of the CPU in gaming, but most people come here to see real-world differences at their own resolution to see if the CPU is worth buying for them. Most gamers sporting a 9800X3D and a 4090 will not be playing at 1080P other than extremely competitive gamers. The X3D cards are specifically designed to greatly boost gaming performance without boosting performance in other areas nearly as much. So anyone buying them is paying extra purely for better gaming performance, which may or may not even really exist depending on the resolution they play at and the GPU they have. That's why you have to show the benchmarks.
By very deliberately excluding real-world 1440p and 4K testing, Gamers Nesus and others (e.g. HUB) are a laughing stock of the scientific community. More damningly, they are obviously being paid to mislead the unaware(!!) into buying a CPU that would make ZERO difference in their real-world set ups. They know that >99% of ALL top end CPU buyer's game at >1080p, rendering this data meaningless for them.
Damn, 9800X3D is a *Beast* I wanted a Ryzen since the very first generation but never actually got one, because I got a 9400F+MB for basically free. Maybe now it's the time to upgrade a lot.
I like the idea of the variable price plots. I'll often use your reviews to determine what is a "good value" but it's sometimes hard to extrapolate the value to new prices from when the review was posted. This plot gives me more of a sense of how the value changes as competing prices change.
man the price per fps comparison in the conclusion is something i always wished for. it would be even more amazing if it may be on the homepage and interactive? maybe, but the programming effort would be insane with the amount of data u madlads provide
Since I saw the time stamps did not work, here it is. That is if Steve pins this comment. Time stamp 00:00 - AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU Review 02:57 - Set Up for Success by Intel 04:25 - CPU Price Comparison & 9800X3D Alternatives 06:07 - Frequency: All-Core 9800X3D vs 7800X3D 06:41 - Frequency: Single-Core 9800X3D vs 7800X3D 07:03 - Voltage: VID Levels 07:20 - Thermals: 9800X3D All-Core Temperature 08:09 - Thermals: 9800X3D vs 9700X 09:01 - Gaming: Stellaris CPU Comparison 10:54 - Dragon's Dogma 2 CPU Benchmarks 11:44 - FFXIV Dawntrail Best CPUs 2024 12:51 - Frametimes: FFXIV 7800X3D vs 9800X3D 13:18 - Baldur's Gate 3 9800X3D vs 285K, 14900K, 7800X3D 14:38 - Frametimes: Baldur's Gate 3 CPU Comparison 15:10 - Frequency in Baldur's Gate 3 15:47 - Rainbow Six Siege Best Gaming CPUs 16:41 - Starfield CPU Benchmarks 17:40 - F1 2024 Gaming CPU Comparison 18:15 - Total War: Warhammer 3 CPU Test 19:19 - CPU Efficiency Testing 19:43 - Efficiency: 7-Zip Compression 21:03 - Efficiency: 7-Zip Decompression 21:55 - Efficiency: Baldur's Gate 3 22:29 - Efficiency: Starfield 22:59 - Efficiency: Stellaris 23:22 - Efficiency: FFXIV Dawntrail 24:00 - Production Benchmarks: Blender 3D Rendering 25:12 - 7-Zip File Compression 26:00 - 7-Zip File Decompression 26:36 - Chromium Code Compile CPUs for Programmers 27:07 - Adobe Premiere Best Video Editing CPUs 27:44 - Adobe Photoshop 2024 CPU Comparison 28:09 - Conclusion & Experimental Charts
The last time they crushed Intel this hard was the original Duron/Athlon era, hopefully that doesn't mean we need to wait another 25 years to see decent generational uplifts. 😆
A suggestion Steve: when doing efficiency benchmarks, please include 5950x - the evergreen efficiency champ. It has set the benchmark for me, so easier to get an idea where new CPUs fall in comparison..
_Steve_content__accuracy__actual creativity_ best humor in the face of defective influencers and box ads __ time lag__latency_ and sports hypes free__loving it.
Keep in mind this is a release review, they didn't have time to go HAM yet. People have spotted supposed benchmarks running at 5.46 Ghz so I'm curious how far you can push this chip. Looking forward to the OC stream!
"I've reached the end of my sports knowledge" I believe the sportsball terminology you were looking for was they were heading toward a "power play home run" which results in higher strokes, and as we all know, bigger number more bigger better. Back to you Steve
Could've waited for a 9800X3D, but that's alright. Highly satisfied with my 7800X3D purchase. Bought that beast of a CPU for $378.49 USD during a sale back in June this year.
dont worry unless you play on 1080p you wont see a difference, all people that actually benchmarked 1440p and 4k shows Surprise CPU bottlenecking. It actually makes me sad that steve here do not mention it with a single word.
@@aule10 "CPU Bottlenecking" - huh? That's on a GPU side, lol. That's also why a CPU should be tested on 1080p to show its raw performance, how many frames it can really compute, without being limited by a GPU.
@@whatthepeople And why should it? If you test a CPU in a inviroment that not many people use it is only theoretic. Meaning yes it's the best 1080p gaming cpu, but if it is maxing out already there, then you will need more power if you play in 1440p meaning it would be another CPU that would do a better job, and then it's no longer the fastest CPU, because it cant handle all the data the GPU is sending its way. At the very least he should mention this, or else it is very disingenuous.
Ill just say, I've been intel for 20 years and I've always said damn the higher cost I want the best. Well after intels latest drop I have never been more tempted to buy an AMD product. Like lets be real, if we wanted to save money on power we wouldn't be using a huge desktop gaming pc. And honestly my pc isn't even barely effecting my power bill anyways. I just dont understand wth intel was thinking.
You have to remember that enthusiast consumer desktops are a comparatively small part of the market. Business desktops and laptops are the real volume products. And businesses with thousands of PCs will see real savings from lower power consumption. Also, given they were literally cooking 13th and 14th Gen from the inside, maybe Intel decided they needed lower power consumption.
They were probably thinking about how their method of ever-increasing power budgets and extreme frequency chasing lead to instability problems that tarnished their previously line of CPUs.
> if we wanted to save money on power we wouldn't be using a huge desktop gaming pc. For the most part it WOULD be possible to optimize desktop PCs well. Most chips will be able to enter a power saving mode and turn on on-demand. And this could be practically instant. There needs to be a push to involve the entire stack, from chip manufacturers to integrators (motherboards) to OS. Apple did that. Microsoft is eager to repeat this but only in the laptop space to fight Apple. At the same time, Microsoft's own clock boosting behavior and bloatware is not at all optimized.
They didn't do it for the less consumption, this is a consequence of using TSMC 3nm VS Intel 7. The 14900K with TSMC 3nm would cut power in half too. It is just bad design and trying to save money with the tiles architecture
Once again another GOAT video from the best review channel still around today. This is 4hours of content compressed into 40min. You can tell they spent years making this review that people will brush off because people will just see: "$480 makes number go higher than Intel."
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Trump won thats the point, not some dumb hardware. Bro your country is SAVED
@@GamersNexus the snowflake dice are so cute! Great work on those, the box looks amazing too!
I'm mad I couldn't decide which set to get ... So I got both.
Those dice sets are awesome.
Literally the first thing that came to my mind was "those dice are loaded". But then my doubts were shattered by the GN-typical intensive testing and statistical evaluation 😂
Its kinda funny how amd and intel completly switched positions.
You and Hardware Unboxed both called your videos rip intel. Thanks Steves.
It's just Steve, not Steves. We may look different, but we are one, as indicated by thinking alike for the title.
@@GamersNexusSteve hivemind
@@GamersNexusback to the steve
Thanks Steve,not other Steve.
@@drakkar1606 so a stivemind?
Wow. That stellaris performance. Wow. Thanks so much for covering 4x games where cpu is much more important as it impacts how much game I can play in a given time.
Absolutely! Happy to take other 4X requests too. Considering GalCiv.
What are they actually testing there? They didn't describe the method for it and you can have very different results depending on game state and settings.
i wish they'd add a factorio megabase simulation in the cpu review for this reason. big factorio bases looooove cpu power, especially the X3D chips. no personal bias here either no sir
monsterhunter wilds will be a good test next year
Interesting thing is that Stellaris is still using the older version of the Clauswitz engine (game engine for Paradox 4x games), which typically only use 2 cores very heavily.
Newer Paradox games like Vic3 and CK3 (especially CK3) use 5-6 cores on average so the gains from this CPU might even be larger.
X3D is going down as a legendary technology for gaming CPUs. It's quite impressive stuff, and the power usage is just icing on the cake.
Imagine if Intel had given Skylake the eDRAM cache of Broadwell (which Skylake supported). Peter Bright of Ars wrote a good article condemning Intel for withholding it simply because AMD wasn't competing enough to pressure the company into making a much better part.
@syrinx9196 The decade of quad core stagnation wasn't great either.
@@TheCgOrion No, but if Skylake had had the eDRAM the precedent would have really been set that it's needed for gaming performance. That would have sped-up the introduction of large caches.
@syrinx9196 Oh, for sure, and there was evidence of it for many generations. Remember the Extreme Editions for the Pentium line, that had large caches? Not that their biggest bottleneck was the cache.
Intel deserves this smackdown. Intel not being able to compete is very worrisome for the long run though.
100%. Intel needs to get into gear and fix this. We can't have a mid-2010s repeat, except with AMD.
Bro it's just a cpu chill... lol
Intel will eventually get back in their game when they conjure enough money to just throw at the problem.
and that will be tax money
@@GamersNexus Intel needs to spearhead an absolutely revolutionary manufacturing process that the competitors can't touch...at least in the short term. I really don't know what Pat Gelsinger is doing. Because I've never seen such a weak leader in a tech company. He is not getting out of his way to inspire innovation from his people. Intel needs a Steve Jobs type desperately.
Crazy that the uplift was so insane that you felt the need to double-check your testing lol. What a beastly part
@@paragonca9736 lol it's 1080p bro. Who plays on that with a $500 cpu
@@SAVA47-00even on 1440p you’ll see hit performance uplifts with a high end GPU. But they test 1080p because it’s the best way to test cpu limitations and performance which is what they’re doing
@fsub9834 no I don't think Its worth dropping $1000 for "maybe 8%"...what is the point of testing in 1080p when most people will use it in 1440p and 4 k high end rigs
@SAVA47-00 this is a cpu review, so im assuming gamer nexus is trying to limit the amount of work the gpu is doing to accurately measure the performance of the cpu by itself, not the cpu+gpu combo
@@SAVA47-00 High end rigs will soon have 5090 that'll need even more CPU power even for 4k.
Thank you for including the Ryzen 7 5800x3d in your tests. I won't be trading this off for a WHILE so these help me gauge what I have.
Good to see AMD delivering a winner. Thanks, Steve
Good to see something actually performing from these CPU companies!
@@GamersNexuswhy so many 9800x3d vids in an hour? from SO MANY people? is there like some sort of prblems?
@@AffectionateLocomotiveThe review embargo lifted so people are allowed to post reviews now
@@AffectionateLocomotive they are allowed to do reviews from this time,and they sure will do it as soon as the embargo was lifted.
@@kaimojepaslt what is embargo? and how long does it last?
So the 9800x3d is a beast but the 7800x3d is still a monster as well.
Yeah, 7800X3D remains potentially GOATed. The 5700X3D and 5800X3D also still do well!
7800X3D deserves to be with the 1080TI in the hardware hall of fame for lasting performance.
@@GamersNexus I followed your advice on Ryzen 5 3600 and 5700XT inside the Silverstone RVZ03. Few months back I upgraded to 5800X3D and the rest of the build still serves very well, even on 4k screen in some old games. Thanks guys, you never disappoint!
@@volvo09 add the 5600x to that hall of fame as well. The CPU is still doing good work in Budget Setups and deals well with modern titles. It manages to get Dragons Dogma to stable 60 FPS on 1080p and even manages to deal well with the upcoming Monster Hunter Wilds, it smashes games like Cyberpunk 2077 and more :P
Wrong - the 7800x3D is now completely obsolete. You should immediately upgrade to the 9800x3D to enjoy 500 FPS at 1080p with your 4090.
Userbenchmark comment about the 7800X3D -
'PC gamers considering a 7000X3D CPU need to work on their critical thinking skills: Influencers are paid handsomely to promote overpriced niche products (X3D, EPYC, Threadripper etc.).'
Cant wait for the 9800X3D review. I havent laughed this well in weeks.
I had a good laugh at this. “Overpriced niche products” is definitely not a description of the $600 285k
@@Shantara11 Glad UserBenchmark is able to bring joy to our lives.
Damn, that 9800X3D is a beast. AMD just flexing at this point.
They not done yet, wait for Threadripper and APU's with 3Dvcache as rumored more beasts on the horizon hopefully
@@scarletspidernz Are the APU's with 3Dvcache mobile only (laptop) or Desktop or both?
@@scarletspidernz APUs*
UserBenchmark lost 30 years worth of lifespan between Intel's new gen fiasco and the 9800X3D results 😂
not much of a loss for him as gollums can live thousands of years.
I decided to check up on them last week, and as expected: they're still seething and malding at AMD lmao
@@Xeros_VII Yeah, but if you ignore their opinions (the "value" of them) then the results still say the real story.
Turn the graphics options on and increase the res and you still get the same FPS on CPUs within 4-5 generations.
They're dead men walking already
The experimental "delta in USD/FPS at various simulated prices" chart is very interesting to me and I hope you continue to include it and refine it. Even in it's current state I would like to see it as a regular addition to your reviews, especially if there are contrasts that GN thinks are particularly illuminating.
Those 1 and 0.1% gains are not to be underestimated! Makes for a smoother gaming experience.
Yeh this 🤑🤑
I dodged a lot of bullets with my i7-12700K (DDR5 years ago), the only truly good AND STABLE Intel CPU
@@saricubra2867back in the day Intel used to have stable low 1%, not so much anymore
@@alexandruciordas4941 Even when Alder Lake was launched the i9 had 1% and 0.1% low problems 😂.
Since my 12700K is 8+4, it's a simply chip therefore straightfoward scheduling.
Most gamers dont know this :(
I have a 5800X3D and i am surprised how well that cpu aged. The V 3D cache technology was a game changer
5800x3d runs some AI models just fine even without GPU. 30x times faster than a regular 5800x
Same. I think I may wait for the next AMD platform to upgrade. AM6? Or maybe Intel will try to make a gaming CPU again?
I mean, unless you're spending much more on your GPU than I intend to ever do, the 5800X3D practically didn't age at all. Like @EmblemParade, I expect to skip AM5 and just go with upgrading my GPU at some point.
@@markkabuto I should add that I'm a 4K gamer. 1080p super-high-frame-rate gamers and strategy fans would really benefit from this upgrade!
Aged? I'm still on the lookout to find it at a reasonable price to upgrade to
AMD unironically taking the gaming crown from Intel is an astonishing comeback tbh. I really thought they were dead with Bulldozer, im glad to see Ryzen literally bring a company back from the dead, and then go on to take the lead(in gaming, for now, ofc)
You could say:
They have rYZen from the dead.
I'm sorry...
Hopefully they don't become a scummy company like Intel and do something about their deceptive marketing for initial zen 5
Lol you don't have to qualify it with "in gaming". They've been kicking Intel's ass for years basically everywhere else (development/productivity/workstations, servers).
@@JMurph2015 Im a gamer, not an industry fella, so im just trying to limit my statements to things im actually confident in my opinions on. Ive heard great things about AMDs non-gaming business as well though, and im excited to see where they go from here.
@@estamnar6092 fair enough! Reasonable thing to do.
I can only imagine what level of mental gymnastics the folks at UserBenchmark are going to put themselves through to gloss over another Intel L
They have been so lazy, just copy paste old stuff.
Like come on, I want more entertainment!
They've simply fabricated numbers that favour Intel. There's no gymnastics to be had anymore.
they claiming the 285k is better than both the 9950x and the 9800x3d lmao
@@khirasier thats only because they consider the 9000 series to be “Only a few %’s above 7000 Series”
And 7000 series is worse because it “Flopped on Launch and had instability issues”
But don’t worry, Userbenchmarks correctly acknowledges that the 285K is inferior value compared to Intel 12th and 13th Gen chips. It just believes that after Zen 3, AMD stopped making any gains.
@@Baconator119 yea but then they will hype it when windows fixes the scheduling issues and blame the performance on that when that was basically the same issue 7000 series had on launch
Dude AMD is insane rn
7800X3D & 9800 X3D is absolute monster in gaming, unbeatable back to back
Don''t forget the 5800x3D! Back to back to back.
@@aragornelesar3862 Dude, Lisa need to chill a bit, give Intel some breathing room
@@amspook Lisa signing along with Tay's - Karma
My 4 year old 5800X (non 3D) is still clinging on! When it eventually goes you bet I'm getting another AMD system. Still feels new-ish.
@@GrandHeresiarchcool.
I'll be upgrading to the 9800X3D from an i7-8700k. It has served me well over the years.
i think this is finally time to upgrade as well, i currently have an i7-9700k
Same. I7 7700k
@@xZeusAlmightyx One of the GOATs
same here
Is it worth upgrading from i9-13900k?
Can't wait for the Userbenchmarks "Review"
Amd and there Neanderthal+homo team of marketing up at it again, Steve is paid and is also handsome, to give amd favourable reviews.
Schizoposting inbound
It will be a review of all time
Wonder if they remove from they value chart "time on market" or whatever it was called, that made 7800x3d considerably worse than Intel's 14th gen chips😂
Did my impression earlier elsewhere in comments but might be something like '285k is the superior Intel gaming CPU. AMD has superior paid TH-cam marketing but don't let that sway you the 285K is the latest and greatest.' UB posts should be taken for the farce it is.
That experimental chart was just what I was thinking of: could you add to your website something that allows people to input the prices they have access to and outputs the price-equivalent values? It would make the data you produce relevant basically forever
I'll see what we can do.
Oh my, def game changer!
Would need to a way to prevent fake data being accounted
@@GamersNexus You could also make it a graph. That way, you just need to look at where the lines cross and don't need to enter prices.
Basically, make the y-axis dollars per unit of performance (relative to the 9800x3D), and the x-axis the price for the 7800x3D.
If you want to do multiple games at the same time, you just draw multiple lines in different colors.
This even accounts for different 9800x3D prices, since any given price has its own constant y-value that you can simply mark on the y-axis.
It may have to note “performance figures as of x”, as drivers, operating systems, and GN’s test methodologies evolve over time… keeping performance figures current, I could see just not being worth the effort after a period of time
I am more amazed how well the 5k series Ryzens are doing. I mean for that many generations old, they are holding up, especially the X3D series.
How many? It's only been couple of months since they've stopped being previous gen.
That percent performance increase relative to percent power increase chart is SUPER interesting and useful. Please keep it for CPUs going forward!
Thank you AMD for not snatching defeat from the jaws of victory for once!
Don't underestimate them. Still plenty of ways this can go south... But yeah, probably the most competent launch anyone did in years...
Let's be honest. We were all ready to type "amd never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity". Thank god this time they didn't poop the bed
Well damn, i guess you guys need to make new plans for your evening.
Next thing you know, Zen5 X3D starts having degredation issues.
@@tomhsia4354 I'd genuinely kill myself if that was the case
What's crazy is my 5950x barely shows up on any charts and it's not that old! It was peak efficiency when I got it, and pretty good performance across the board. Good to see this progress from AMD.
Waited at least three months for this video. Thanks, Steve.😊
Holy shit is that an actual good generational improvement?
I've heard legends speak of such things but it's been so long since we've actually seen one!
Huh? The 7800X3D was like a 20-25% improvement
@@connivingkhajiit
Oh absolutely. I just meant that since the 7800X3D we've had the 9000 non-X3D launch which was disappointing and two whole generations of Intel that were basically duds. It hasn't actually been that long since we had good new CPUs, but the bad launches have been so tiring lately that it sure as heck feels like it.
@@Arewmon oh yeah mb the intel releases were so irrelevant i forgot all about them
11% fps increase for worse ppw. Far from good, maybe decent.
Thanks for the test result! I am saving up for my next machine to be 9800X3D and 5090.
Back in the early 2000’s, I always said AMD was here to keep Intel honest. Not anymore. I have always been an intel customer, even though my last build was with an i7-3930k and my Samsung SSD 512 cost $512.00 new. I believe I will get the AMD 9800x3D for my new build. Thank you Steve. I have been out of the computer rig building game for 10 years now, and watching your informational videos has helped me get caught up really quick!!
My i5-3570 was painfully slow back in 2019, that made my 5600X feel so much faster, I can't say the 3930 would be much better with such limited cache, so I'm surprised you lasted this long.
Same, havent had an AMD build since Athlon but the difference between this and arrowlake is so insane I feel like I'd be stupid not go switch for my next build.
Been waiting for this video, thanks!
I didn't know the greatest technician that ever lived watched the greatest tech channel that ever lived
: ) love your videos.
The greatest technician that’s ever lived and GN collab when? 👀
The greatest technician that’s ever lived
Sorry to hear about Fred - he also had racoon-like fingers.
So happy to still see the 5800x3d preforming so well :D. Got mine at the start of 2023 on a whim, upgraded from my 3900x.
Gave the 3900x to my sister upgrading her 3700x, and build my dad a new pc with the 3700x. Not only was it a great upgrade for me, but it also facilitated upgrades for the whole family :D
same me too i was R9 3900X to 5800X3D now yet still best good gaming.
i think i dont need new CPU upgrade!
i may bit later 1-2 years AMD CPU upgrade!
i wait for new 8900XTX with 5800X3D perfect 1440p gaming this right?
@@Blackaman0 Yea I don't feel any immediate pressure to upgrade CPU's yet, hopefully it lasts a few years :)
I have a 6900xt and its been handling pretty much any game at 1440p no problem, so their new card will definitely handle 1440p
yeah yeah me also R7 5800X3D with RX 6800XT no problem with fps enough play 1080p or 1440p. I don't like 4K is problem fps but not necessary why 1080p is good enough for me!
I don't get it many people always rush upgrade! don't get it that's enough fps game!
if I buy 8900XTX with 5800X3D as very good fps then no need CPU upgrade better later to 2027 new AM6 :)
Thanks for your answer.
have a nice evening :)
@@Amber_Oakheart
the benchmarks on the dice
Wow… didn’t expect 9800x3d to be 30 percent more fps in some games. Amazing.
Few weeks ago, ive seen many comments absolutely trashing the 9800x3d saying its a waste of money and it will only about 8% better than 7800x3d lol. But now its out, its actually a great product.
_"...30 percent more fps in some games"_ *At 1080p _Medium* ! LOL!
@@awebuser5914 My guy, the higher resolution you go, games tend to be more gpu limited than cpu, so it doens't matter what cpu you use. So realisticly you wouldn't find any meaningful fps gain over last gen if you compare them in say 4k or even in 1440p. And that's why you should only upgarade after couple gen for cpu.
@@OnlyBibekdas No shit, Sherlock, but not everybody appreciates _how little_ difference there is...
@awebuser5914 5090 coming out soon.. but yeah, at 2160p/4k there will still not be a lot of difference in most games
actually seeing a stellaris benchmark is great considering how much i play that game, thats why i upgraded to a 5800x3d in the first place, that much of an improvement is something for me to consider upgrading, thanks!
Lets take some time to acknowledge the talent of the engineering teams at AMD that produced this product. Its an absolute beast of a gaming cpu, with efficient power use, and a reasonable price.
TLDR: If you’re a photographer who games, you’ve found your dream CPU
How come? It's good at image editing?
@@kiwisorbet adobe suite performance
Hey, that's me. The problem is that I'm a photographer who games but who is also poor
@@EricGonzalezM go get those moneyshots^^ ;)
@@zeta0590 damn, I do photography for a hobby as of recently. Not upgrading from my 7900x anytime soon, but this is still interesting.
I love all these reviews that keep vindicating my 5800x3d. :)
Not me. Due to home reno, I didn't have the necessaries lying around to get one when I could. Now I can only find it overpriced from scalpers on Ebay - where I can't even trust them not to sell me a fake. Kicking myself! 😭
@@michaelhoffmann2891 Or just get the 5700x3d since it's just a little slower than the 5800x3d and no scalpers since it's still currently in production.
It also provides a good estimation for how long a 9800x3d bought today may last for you
@@NJ-wb1cz I went from 27 to 37x to 58x3d all on the same mobo, so if am5 is around the same amount of time... A 98x3d now could probably be upgraded twice more before a new mobo is needed. I really like this cadence.
@@HMarcBower I doubt there will be a reason to ever upgrade 9800x3d for gaming, but who knows. Given how the progress noticeably slows down, wouldn't be surprise if it will be fine even in 10 years
The review is the nail in the coffin, and the now available overlocking is Amd spitting on the grave.
Overclocking on air or even water gives symbolic 1-2% gains while significantly higher energy usage so idk what you're talking about.
@@hihtitmamnan WTF you talking about, you have a 9800X3D?
Or have you never overclocked before? Because you can hit much higher than that on air.
@@Bound4Earth rofl. Yes, I've been overclocking CPUs and I've seen materials on the 9800X3D.
@hihtitmamnan oh we have an expert here guys he read a.spec sheet.
@@hihtitmamnan then you just leave it stock. Why does that even matter?
I'm actually impressed, where else can you get good tech journalism with high quality products they sell to support said journalism?
already booked the 9800x3d. upgrading from i5 11400f.
cant wait for it.
How? I see I can’t buy until tomorrow at 6 am . I’d love to lock it in
That is going to be one hell of an upgrade!
@@Ajme-kb4os same cant find anywhere listed
@@Ajme-kb4os oh as in from my local computer store, they said it came in limited stock like 5 or 6? so i had to pay a deposit to lock it for me.
@@xBROLISx oh not online of course (for me), had to deal with my local computer store.
pay deposit and voila
either next week or mid november, waited for 2 months and i sure can wait for longer ngl.
Super nice review, thanks. Would be nice to incorporate more MSFS2020 benchmarks as it's heavily CPU-bound, specially on airliners + max ground and building detail as all of those kill CPU very quickly, very few reviewers incorporate that, none with the special CPU-heavy settings.
Perhaps FS2024 since it comes out in a couple weeks? I'm curious if it performs similarly or tests the hardware in other ways.
Please consider adding some very popular esports games to the CPU tests, as those are exactly the scenarios where you'd need very high FPS. Like League of Legends, Valorant, CS2, Fortnite, etc. Also, Path of Exile is the most popular ARPG game, I bet many would be interested about what gains could be made on upgrading the CPU alone.
Im so excited about this CPU. I have a 3950X and am looking for an upgrade. This is almost as fast as that in multi core. Thats crazy
I have a 3800xt that just crapped on me. Im super excited for this. Im not gonna wait for a 50 series cars either. Gonna get a 4080 super during black friday and chill.
@@brobob52My 4080 super is amazing.
I'm gonna get the 9800X3D and sell my 7800X3D because all my games are completely CPU bound.
what will the 9950x3d do to you? and if both ccds have cache? we can dream
@@smilingbandit6900 my 3950X is great but it holds me back in some games for sure.
@@brobob52 4080 super is plenty strong👍
Saw this posted on reddit, switched to tablet for the bigger screen and without thinking i typed "tech jesus" into youtube, first result is Gamers Nexus channel, Nice.
Thank you for still including the 3700x benchmarks.
"Thanks Steve"
You're welcome
Back to you Steve
"You can literally see it!"
I appreciate that you still have the 2600 and 2700 on the benchmarks, it's the closest thing I've got to my TR2950x for reference. I'm thinking it might be time to upgrade.
yeah, it was nice to see my 2600 finally show up in a chart. however, i'm now even MORE excited to receive my $140 5700x3d! it's going to be a big jump from my 2600.
Still running a 1800x lol. Looking for a 5800x3d or so to plug in. Don't game much anymore these days so that will last me a few more years easilly.
@@carlos2004 I'm sure you'll love it! I have a system I put together with a 5700G (G was cheap at the time) and 6700XT and it blows my 2950+6900XT out of the water for gaming. Sticking with the 2950 for my main rig until maybe 9950x3d because I need the threads. Looking @ benchmarks though I think the 9800x3d would probably perform better even in multithreading lol.
@@devilselbow Running a 2700X as well, and while I don't technically absolutely need an upgrade, I do really want one, especially now seeing that the 1% lows of the 9800X3D is roughly the same or greater than the average FPS of the 2700X.
I don't drink. I don't weld. But I do play DnD. Might have to pick up a set to support this excellent journalism.
Thanks, Steve!
Not surprised the 9800X3d came out ahead - it has extra "cash" on it (according to subtitles) ;)
Now, we can start the waiting of 9950X3D benchmark
If that one somehow marries Blender performance AND games... 🙏
7 series x3D chips are generally superior for gaming, but it'll undoubtedly be faster in productivity tasks
16 core chiplet would be king
Same. I do a fairly even mix of production and gaming, but 285k vs 9800x3d seems like a choice between one or the other. I'm hoping the 9950X3D can come at least somewhere near the top on both, and then I'll definitely take the leap to AMD away from intel for the first time.
@@Robsham1 exactly, that's all i'm waiting for to switch over to amd
Just so that people shut up about it already, the reason they test at 1080p and with strong gpus is to eliminate as much of the gpu bottleneck as possible. This means you can see the true strength of the cpu better. Come on guys, this is very simple to understand...
Very true but doesn' tdo much for you if you don't game at 1080p to see if even worth getting.
@@germanicviking6462 The purpose is to show the true power compared to other cpus, not to show the power at a specific resolution because not everyone plays at the same resolution.
@@germanicviking6462
The core idea is to make the cpu work as hard as possible without beeing gpu limited. Using the most powerful gaming grade card.
Since HD is the lowest universal standard it is the reference for almost all reviewers.
There will be tests about with gpu x and this cpu at resolve you want to know. For gpu the test is slightly different.
Fastest cpu, and pushing the gpu at every resolution.
That's not the point, bruh. Of course you also have to test at 1080p to see the theoretical strength of the CPU in gaming, but most people come here to see real-world differences at their own resolution to see if the CPU is worth buying for them. Most gamers sporting a 9800X3D and a 4090 will not be playing at 1080P other than extremely competitive gamers.
The X3D cards are specifically designed to greatly boost gaming performance without boosting performance in other areas nearly as much. So anyone buying them is paying extra purely for better gaming performance, which may or may not even really exist depending on the resolution they play at and the GPU they have. That's why you have to show the benchmarks.
By very deliberately excluding real-world 1440p and 4K testing, Gamers Nesus and others (e.g. HUB) are a laughing stock of the scientific community. More damningly, they are obviously being paid to mislead the unaware(!!) into buying a CPU that would make ZERO difference in their real-world set ups. They know that >99% of ALL top end CPU buyer's game at >1080p, rendering this data meaningless for them.
Damn, 9800X3D is a *Beast*
I wanted a Ryzen since the very first generation but never actually got one, because I got a 9400F+MB for basically free.
Maybe now it's the time to upgrade a lot.
you wont need a new cpu for a long time. i asume atleast
Cannot wait to see Threadripper & Threadripper 3D 9,000 series now Zen 5 3D is a monster.
I have been Intel fanboy since 1990s, this last month I have switched over to a 9950x and I could not be happier!
Once again the perf per watt results are my favorite part of the review. Thanks Steve
Steve... BREATHE! 6:59
It's fine. He's just a little overclocked.
I like the idea of the variable price plots. I'll often use your reviews to determine what is a "good value" but it's sometimes hard to extrapolate the value to new prices from when the review was posted. This plot gives me more of a sense of how the value changes as competing prices change.
just poured myself a cup of Tea and i saw this video, perfect timing.
Gonna need a lot of tea to last through this review!
@@GamersNexus The more you tea, the more you pee.
Same here!
wow.. that bg3 result is crazy and thank you for including stellaris. That was my main reason to upgrade from 5800x3d
Thank you for still keeping older CPUs like the 2600 and 3700X in the charts!
Totally hope I get a paw print...LOL Had to get the die set. Awesome piece as always, happy to support your work GN!
The snowflake dice are so cute!
man the price per fps comparison in the conclusion is something i always wished for. it would be even more amazing if it may be on the homepage and interactive?
maybe, but the programming effort would be insane with the amount of data u madlads provide
Those gains are ridiculous. I'm on a 7800X3D, and this encourages me when the 10800X3D, or whatever, comes out as a good upgrade path.
"the golf hole"
The sports knowledge i come here for! 😂
Since I saw the time stamps did not work, here it is. That is if Steve pins this comment.
Time stamp
00:00 - AMD Ryzen 7 9800X3D CPU Review
02:57 - Set Up for Success by Intel
04:25 - CPU Price Comparison & 9800X3D Alternatives
06:07 - Frequency: All-Core 9800X3D vs 7800X3D
06:41 - Frequency: Single-Core 9800X3D vs 7800X3D
07:03 - Voltage: VID Levels
07:20 - Thermals: 9800X3D All-Core Temperature
08:09 - Thermals: 9800X3D vs 9700X
09:01 - Gaming: Stellaris CPU Comparison
10:54 - Dragon's Dogma 2 CPU Benchmarks
11:44 - FFXIV Dawntrail Best CPUs 2024
12:51 - Frametimes: FFXIV 7800X3D vs 9800X3D
13:18 - Baldur's Gate 3 9800X3D vs 285K, 14900K, 7800X3D
14:38 - Frametimes: Baldur's Gate 3 CPU Comparison
15:10 - Frequency in Baldur's Gate 3
15:47 - Rainbow Six Siege Best Gaming CPUs
16:41 - Starfield CPU Benchmarks
17:40 - F1 2024 Gaming CPU Comparison
18:15 - Total War: Warhammer 3 CPU Test
19:19 - CPU Efficiency Testing
19:43 - Efficiency: 7-Zip Compression
21:03 - Efficiency: 7-Zip Decompression
21:55 - Efficiency: Baldur's Gate 3
22:29 - Efficiency: Starfield
22:59 - Efficiency: Stellaris
23:22 - Efficiency: FFXIV Dawntrail
24:00 - Production Benchmarks: Blender 3D Rendering
25:12 - 7-Zip File Compression
26:00 - 7-Zip File Decompression
26:36 - Chromium Code Compile CPUs for Programmers
27:07 - Adobe Premiere Best Video Editing CPUs
27:44 - Adobe Photoshop 2024 CPU Comparison
28:09 - Conclusion & Experimental Charts
Thank you kind sire
He should pin it just for the effort you put in alone.
Time stamps work fine for me
time stamp work very fine for me
@@yi-vn4fz He fixed it. I watched it when it came out 1 hour ago. It was not there, but I do see that he fixed it.
The USD/FPS at various 7800X3D prices charts is a very interesting and useful addition to the review! Thanks, Steve!
Man its crazy how the turns have tabled over the years
The last time they crushed Intel this hard was the original Duron/Athlon era, hopefully that doesn't mean we need to wait another 25 years to see decent generational uplifts. 😆
@memitim171 i like to think AMD learned before nearly falling off a cliff, not to stagnate like Intel decided to do
Thanks Steve. Actually appreciate the distraction on this first Wednesday of November.
A suggestion Steve: when doing efficiency benchmarks, please include 5950x - the evergreen efficiency champ. It has set the benchmark for me, so easier to get an idea where new CPUs fall in comparison..
Another amazing review, “Thanks Steve!” For all of your team’s hard work to deliver this to us. ❤
Welp this was even better than i expected. We have a new nr. 1. But at this point, the 7800X3D can be considered GOATED. Almost like the 1080Ti
The 5800x3d is even more impressive at this point.
Been waiting months for this video. Glad to see at least one of the CPUs this cycle didn't have stagnation.
Even though I will probably never get a 9800x3d, I'm just happy to see a company make hardware with actual improvement over last gen
Still sitting on my 5800x3d but may consider upgrading now. Thanks, Theodore!
_Steve_content__accuracy__actual creativity_ best humor in the face of defective influencers and box ads __ time lag__latency_ and sports hypes free__loving it.
My cat dice are ordered. If only snowy would high five my box! Is something I never saw myself saying but hey, now we're here!
Keep in mind this is a release review, they didn't have time to go HAM yet. People have spotted supposed benchmarks running at 5.46 Ghz so I'm curious how far you can push this chip. Looking forward to the OC stream!
DerBauer ran his at 5.6! Check his video.
@Dr1ftop1a damn! Thanks for the tip!
"I've reached the end of my sports knowledge"
I believe the sportsball terminology you were looking for was they were heading toward a "power play home run" which results in higher strokes, and as we all know, bigger number more bigger better.
Back to you Steve
Could've waited for a 9800X3D, but that's alright.
Highly satisfied with my 7800X3D purchase. Bought that beast of a CPU for $378.49 USD during a sale back in June this year.
My brother also has a 7800X3D. Meanwhile, I am still on my 85 dollar Ryzen 5 5500 on my 5 year old mobo.
now I'm gonna buy a sh 5800x3d for 120-1250$
dont worry unless you play on 1080p you wont see a difference, all people that actually benchmarked 1440p and 4k shows Surprise CPU bottlenecking. It actually makes me sad that steve here do not mention it with a single word.
@@aule10 "CPU Bottlenecking" - huh? That's on a GPU side, lol. That's also why a CPU should be tested on 1080p to show its raw performance, how many frames it can really compute, without being limited by a GPU.
@@whatthepeople And why should it? If you test a CPU in a inviroment that not many people use it is only theoretic. Meaning yes it's the best 1080p gaming cpu, but if it is maxing out already there, then you will need more power if you play in 1440p meaning it would be another CPU that would do a better job, and then it's no longer the fastest CPU, because it cant handle all the data the GPU is sending its way. At the very least he should mention this, or else it is very disingenuous.
Loved Steve's attempt at sporting analogies lol
Wow... Just totally geeked out on this video... impressive, clear & concise... Cheers @GamersNexus
Great stuff. I have my new motherboard and memory, I just hope I can get a 9800x3d ordered tomorrow 🤞
What MB do U have?
Bro always hooks us up when we need it
Thanks Steve!
Great thorough review. Gamers Nexus knocked it out of the park. 9000 kudos!
what a time to be alive. Thanks, Steve.
Thanks for measuring baldurs gate 3 with 9800x3d. No one have done that. super thanks
The best game of 2023… so definitely worth of testing and CPU heavy so good for CPU test!
@@haukikannelagreed!
I'm happy you tested randomness on your dice... my first thought was... that component inside is going to skew the weight and probabilities... :)
Yup glad I seen this review 9800X3D is definitely my next upgrade
Why
@visualpref simple I have a 11700k that been long overdue for a upgrade and since this for my gaming PC I want the best CPU for it
@@mondraymaye30949700k gamer here, this upgrade is going to be wild
@@mondraymaye3094 splendid. godspeed brother
Thanks for the review. I'm checking your review first but I see from the titles that the other reviewers are also positive. 👀
Definitely grabbing me one of these for my new build, a Christmas gift for myself .
Is this real? A... genuinely interesting modern PC hardware release?
We've been blessed...
If you ever get invited to play golf Steve, they're not called golf bats, and you don't fire the ball into the golf hole ⛳🕳️
Hitting the heavy ping pong ball around the field
If my goal is to not be invited in the first place, should I call them golf bats and golf holes?
:( golf is fun tho
At least you can drive a golf car. 🤷♂️
@@GamersNexus You know why they called it "Golf?" Because all the good four-letter words were taken.
Love the new experimental charts especially the price point comparison
Thank you, Tech Jesus! I asked for benchmarks, and you answered it
Ill just say, I've been intel for 20 years and I've always said damn the higher cost I want the best. Well after intels latest drop I have never been more tempted to buy an AMD product. Like lets be real, if we wanted to save money on power we wouldn't be using a huge desktop gaming pc. And honestly my pc isn't even barely effecting my power bill anyways. I just dont understand wth intel was thinking.
In the same boat as you, only thing keeping me on my intel setup now is the tweaking and over locking aspect. Especially memory.
You have to remember that enthusiast consumer desktops are a comparatively small part of the market. Business desktops and laptops are the real volume products. And businesses with thousands of PCs will see real savings from lower power consumption.
Also, given they were literally cooking 13th and 14th Gen from the inside, maybe Intel decided they needed lower power consumption.
They were probably thinking about how their method of ever-increasing power budgets and extreme frequency chasing lead to instability problems that tarnished their previously line of CPUs.
> if we wanted to save money on power we wouldn't be using a huge desktop gaming pc.
For the most part it WOULD be possible to optimize desktop PCs well. Most chips will be able to enter a power saving mode and turn on on-demand. And this could be practically instant. There needs to be a push to involve the entire stack, from chip manufacturers to integrators (motherboards) to OS. Apple did that. Microsoft is eager to repeat this but only in the laptop space to fight Apple.
At the same time, Microsoft's own clock boosting behavior and bloatware is not at all optimized.
They didn't do it for the less consumption, this is a consequence of using TSMC 3nm VS Intel 7. The 14900K with TSMC 3nm would cut power in half too. It is just bad design and trying to save money with the tiles architecture
Once again another GOAT video from the best review channel still around today. This is 4hours of content compressed into 40min. You can tell they spent years making this review that people will brush off because people will just see: "$480 makes number go higher than Intel."
Cannot wait for the 9950X3D... just wish it had 4 memory channels rather than 2 ;_;
the sports talk at 35:00 💀💀 Thanks Steve!
I’m so grateful that I can’t discern a difference above around 150 FPS. Leaves plenty of money for the beer budget.
Thanks Steve! Oh, not an intel review, my bad
Still applies