I never tried turning mine down that low. Every overclock I tried caused crashes. Upping the power limit also, unless I undervolt, but I only undervolt by 18mv.
Even certain batch of RX570/580 may come with different VRAM. Some used Elpida other uses Samsung or SkHynix. Always double check the original vBIOS and all the specs.
My Rx570 is at 1.1v 1400MHz +50% power limit 2000ram with auto fan speed. Most games it cruises through in the 90-130watt range until its really demanding then bumps the watts up to power through. Then watching netflix it sits super low on idle with zero fan speed. This card was such good value for me.
Good clocks ... if you want to KILL it fast. You dont need the ram oc tha thigh, especially since ram chips are the first to fail on a gpu. Also never raise power limits on AMD gpu's, test actual volts - start from stock and keep going lower till you cant reliably hit 1400. Then repeat with 1350, then 1300 and so on. The Idea is to get a good perf/W if you want the GPU to last youa few years. EG 1400 at 1100mv is worse than 1350 at 1000mv, which is worse than 1300 at 900mv and so on. Personally on polaris, I stick to stock volts on memory and OC it to +150mhz max, downvolt core to 900mv and check to see the max stable oc I can get on core with just 900mv. That will keep the temps and power low, while keeping perf at 95%+ of peak perf.
Richie Dhillon i dont need it to last. Rx570 are cheap and easy to get. I also use FPS lock so its not bouncing off 100% usage. Runs smooth and better then stock. Shadow of the tomb raider benchmark only hit 92% usage at peak, just hit 70’C at 123watt max. Been like this for over a year and has no signs of problems.
Richie Dhillon that won’t kill Samsung chips (Hynix or Elpida would be at the limits, I really need a hardware voltage feedback mod so mine will hit over 2000 MHz Elpida Vram). The core will vary, some may hit 1450 easily enough, others may catch fire before they ever hit 1300 MHz. He hasn’t BIOS modded his cards, so it’s not easy to kill them yet (you will always get the occasional dud, you know, like a good chunk of those RTX cards that died for no reason or DOA...)
I've been able to get very close to that with only a 5% boost to power with my RX570 (and I've seen better clocks than that with only 10-25% more power - but maybe the lottery came in my favor). I altered the fan speed curve though so it targets 60c for 100% fan (not 90 like it came stock). After playing a game for a few hours it reaches about 68c (in 73f ambient). I think there might not be too much risk of damage unless you are getting crazy temps (like 80c - 90c for extended amounts of time). I'm not sure what the cooler is on yours, I have an MSI Armor cooler.
Matthew Kiehl mine is msi armor too. Is that +5% to power limit? I left it at +50% so when it needs to really boost it can. But as i use a fps lock it stops the card running at max all the time and stays cool and power use similar to stock. I use auto fan curve as its off bellow 50’ and even when running I can barely hear it. Everyones use can be slightly different so its good to see what others do.
Questioning whether that 570 was a good bin or not. You have 17 of the bloody things! Do a test with around 10 of them & average the results. That'll give a more comprehensive answer.
@@fayenotfaye it is possible by disabling the cards from device manager or by using the amd control panel to use only one card (Cs I think Nvidia has something like that where you can switch from cpu to gpu mode) Or Some games might allow you to switch between cards
bruh i feel your pain, imagine getting a gpu that can give you a solid 1080p high performance for just 72 ringgit lmao. That's cheaper than most desktop casing here in Malaysia.
Things to consider about this. The RX 570 was a slight process shrink over the 470. Running a 470 BIOS on it with 470 Voltages might cause the symptoms you're seeing there. Secondly, there's the memory modules which may be different between the two cards. Different modules may need different voltages. Basically, the 470 BIOS may have been overvolting which on the 570 GPU caused it to be most unhappy.
Tech Yes you almost killed your card. You cant just flash randomly like that. Yes the first reference 500 bioses were compatible with the reference 400 cards, but you cant take ref 470 and flash custom PCB 570 bios on it. Fit it to work correctly both cards need to have the same GPU, voltage controller and memory. I remember clearly from the mining days that the bioses from cards with Samsung/Hynix memory were not compatible with the Micron ones, etc. And sometimes you can even kill the card if it does not have bios switch, it can get to a state of no post and not even detected on the PCI-E bus. This also explains your weird voltages and power reads, those bioses were made for different voltage controllers and so they received invalid configurations, and set voltage that luckily in your case both did not kill the card and made it stable enough to at least somehow work, but overall you were pretty lucky there.
Pft... sucker... I got my RX 470s shipped for $55 each :-P EDIT: Ah damn! I paused right before you said Aussie dollars. That's what I get for thinking I out-hustled the YES man.
Bulk deals and "broken" hardware. Some people don't know better and might assume a minor issue like a broken fan means its useless junk. Or they might assume PC hardware devalues quick like old cars.
My 470 seems to work best with power turned UP and voltage turned DOWN. It can't be overclocked at any setting (other than a minor factory overclock), but with power up and voltage down it can run at boost speed all the time.
Gamers Nexus just compared 7 1070ti's to see how GPU silicon lottery works... Would make a really interesting video if you did the same with the 570's! Cheers.
I love your videos..anyways,I have a sapphire nitro+ rx570.just want to ask the thickness of the thermal pads should I use if im going to give my card a tech yes lovin?and may I ask what thermal paste do you usually use..thank you and a reply would be great!
When you run the cards 24/7 in an often warm environment you tend to cook-off some of the thermal grease, and cooler paste. This turns into a 'sludge' that can 'drip' along the card and into the cooler. It's not conductive so it's not harmful, but it looks funky and you may have to repaste the cooler to get the most out of the card when gaming.
WOOOO! The sound we all make, when the Yes Man releases a new video. What a killer deal! I would kill for at least 2 of those on a deal for some of my rigs here.
I use the Pulse RX470 8gb in my rig and while the FPS isn't skyrocketing with high numbers it still runs high on 1080p and 60-70fps on 4k with most games. All in all still great budget graphics card with still some yrs of life left.
Didn't the RX470/80 have issues with pulling too much power from the PCIe ? It's possible that it draws more power than it shows, so it would be interesting to also see a comparsion of total system power draw to rule this out.
Ignore any software readout in general (I have GPU validations of 35 GHz core frequency...), a million volts sometimes on core (again, you have to question if this is possible), sub-ambient temps like for FX on air cooler (literally physically impossible... HWmonitor still hasn’t fixed the readout since FX doesn’t use Intel temp probe type), and power on RX470 is a joke (I really can pull 300w per card on air benching, it shows 80w.... my readout is from killawatt meter and my HX1200i platinum graphs out power, for quad GPU benching on air I would need 2x PSU since graphics alone would be 1200w and yet software says it’s just 4x80w which is 240w.... yeah that’s not even close!)
Nice video Brian! it is something I've been thinking about since a long time now. But, it would be great to continue the thought about Software tinkering with MSI Afterburner or Wattman... If you undervolt the 570 Pulse, does it lose too much performance comparing to the consumption loss? Maybe you can try also a BIOS Editor and tweak some voltage/frequency settings: it would be excellent content to complete what you already did!
Yeah, strange to see him want better performance per watt and not try power limiting as the very first idea, and just let the newer generation / better die versions / whatever, show what they're made of when using the same power as the lower-tier device.
Of all the 470s and 570s I have tested the best results (power/performance) always come from stock 470s, flashing a 470 BIOS onto a 570 and vice versa doesn't typically have the desired effect. Flashing a 470 vBIOS onto a 570 either does nothing but drop performance or it lowers power consumption but fails to utilize the boost clocks properly and loses significantly more performance than it should. Seeing your power consumption actually go up was a first for me with that first 470 vBIOS you tried. You hit the nail on the head, use Wattman and undervolt the 570 (and 470) as low as you can without losing stability, I also bump the Power Target up by 40% this frequently yields significant power savings and I find the cards actually run better (hit max boost clocks more consistently). Like Brian I picked up a load of ex mining cards and flipped them after tinkering for a few weeks. I have to say, the 470s surprised me, with driver updates and optimizations they really do perform well compared to launch performance.
I'd love to see you make a video on how to properly refurbish used video cards, at least this video gave me a general idea how. Please keep up the good work!
I bought a Sapphire RX 470 4GB and a MSI Gaming X RX570 8GB last month, both cards avg. power consumption was 78W just using the "Chill" function. with the 570 the only time it went over 80 was on poorly optimized games (like from UBI Soft) and 90W when stress testing. In fact I hit the silicon lottery with the RX 570 due to the speeds matching my 1060 so I sold my 1060. Now my rig is running much more efficiently, and cooler. The 470 is going to be used in a new build to be sold.
@@d0nj03 about a 10-20% difference depending on the game if I recall (it has been 2 years now). This is from not only the older hardware difference, but the RAM size for some games. In those two years I went from a RX570 to a RX6600 which runs way better, but with AMD Chill it runs even more efficient depending on the game. For example Doom Eternal in Ultra Nightmare mode @ 1080p only uses 56W avg. while Red Dead Redemption 2 in the city uses a max wattage of 100 (80W avg. elsewhere) got it on 1st level of Quality mode in 1080p that is also having AMD Chill set on Auto. Right now I am on a system with a I7-10700T (35W) and the RX6600 (non XT) my system while gaming uses a average of
@@JeremyLeePotocki OK, thanks for the extra details. I think I may have jumped to conclusions on "running at the same power" though, as that Chill function might not be a strict power limit to the same value like I initially interpreted, so the 10-20% difference might not represent exactly what I was looking to find out. But I have reasonable hopes that a 570 would perform better at the same power cap as a 470, even if just on heat dissipation.
Hey mate, you should put this cards back in to mining rig. I do not know about how much electricity costs in Australia, but here in Russia it's cost around 0.06 USD. 20$ for a card is a very good price. In Russia used cards cost around 100 USD
I have a MSI GTX 1080 and I bought an MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC but I am undecided as to which ryzen 3000 cpu should buy. Which would you recommend the R5 3600X or the R7 3700X?
Haven't watched yet but will! Wanted to share my luck, I bought 3 480s, 4 470s and an rm850x power supply (all 4gb cards) for $120 I then passed on the love to a local pc builder and sold him 1 480 and 2 470s for $100 Leaving me with 2 480s, and 2 470s for precisely $20 Or $5 a piece I felt dirty.
Wow, if I could find a deal like this, It would be such a nice egpu for my 10 year old laptop that I should be able to play on this summer. Great video as always
You can bypass the bios signature issue by using the AMD/ATI Pixel Clock Patcher. You'll probably need to re-enable it each time you update the driver.
Yeah, somethings up with the Sapphire Cards. My Nitro+ RX 480 8GB OC (1342MHz) runs circles around most RX 580's out the box. With fire strike scores up2 15,600+ (GPU) With the Nitro+ RX 480 8GB's they have the Sammy ram and can be clocked a good +100 to +200Mhz (8400MHz to 8800MHz) with +50 on the power limit. My GPU OC's to 1425Mhz, pulling away even further. Maybe I got a good card. I bought it from a guy that used it, but never gamed with it. He just wanted a silent card for his workstation and the Nitro+ was one of those cards. Lucky me i found it, the moment he posted it, and got for a cool $100 and it looked brand new with the original box and all. I started flashing some v-BIOS cause it had a dual switch and found that the original v-BIOS was the best one for this specific card. My card then started acting difficult so my ending result was flashing the main OC v-BIOS to both v-BIOS to get the thing stable again. So i just left it at that. But, the RX 480 8GB OC BIOS, i found is the best one cause it has the highest tjmax and thermal throttle limit. and the best efficiency. My card runs at a 75°c flat out stock and with the v-ram at +200 it doesn't effect the temps. You called it man. The original BIOS is the best BIOS for these Sapphire cards, Nitro's or Pulse cards. I think my Nitro+ 480 is better than most 580's no doubt. Lately, you been bringing the 3770K's and Nitro cards out, its looking like my lab over here. But for those that want to cross flash your Sapphire cards, "DON'T" Especially when Sapphire ED laughs at you for trying. Unless you have a 470D, in that case, flash it to unlock the other cores. Keep the good'ol content movin mane. Maybe a revisit with some proper tuning on the RX VEGA's could be next on the list. I got my results ready.
I guess even the Yes Tech City Loving has its limits when it come some cards, still you tried your best and i really liked that you were no just dump the card in some unsuspecting PC buyer, shows character
Are we sure the power difference isn't the extra fan? Maybe remove a fan and test it again? Or are the fans not part of the software power reading? It might be good to verify these readings from the wall. I use my APC to look at power differences, but there are other methods too.
I have a build with an i5-3470, 8GB DDR3 RAM and a 500W PSU. Using a bottleneck calculator I narrowed the potential GPU matches to GTX 960, RX 480 and RX 570. Which of these would you recommend?
The Best music man! #TechYESLovin rules! 40% of power instead of 10% perfomance! Is 470 the best price-perfomance card now? And yeah, to flash BIOS card must be almost the same (manufacture and even cooling system)
Damn that’s a good deal, wish we had deals like that I had to go a budget downgrade from my 980ti to a r9 390 as it was the best local deal I could get
Feel the RX 470 is too oft overlooked vs the RX 570 on the used market. My thoughts on what you saw might come down to how the Pulse vs the reference VRM are designed and setup, making for a slight difference in how the BIOS is setup to control them.
I got a Asus RX470 Strix OC on release day for $179 US with free shipping on Amazon :) it came to $272AU.. still using that thing today and will upgrade to navi 14 if its worth it.
I've heard the corrosion is from people blowing an air conditioner on their mining rigs to keep them cool. The heat sinks and other parts get cold enough for water to start condensing on them and they start to corrode.
Don't forget the R9 380X. Basically the same GPU with 4GB VRAM and 2048 streams. Not to be confused with the R9 380 though. The 380X is quite rare on the used market though.
with the rx470 people used to recomend them over the 480 as overclocking it above a 480 was common, I didnt really hear about that with the 500 series so maybe your right on the binning process
Bryan, you mentioned the 570s were mining cards. Did you check whether the vbios was the original or maybe it was already flashed to improve mining performance and/or lower power consumption.
Everybody always raves about the RX570 being the best budged card - and it is - but no one ever speaks of the mighty RX470! It's basically the same card with almost the exact performance (few fps difference means nothing!), it's just a model from the previous year. And the thing is, u can usually find used RX470's (especially mining cards) much cheaper than RX570's! I've already bought two RX470's for a good price!
I have a bad English an still want to now. Should I change my bios from 470 to 570 or I should stick with 470? I'm worried about having less performances because of better drivers for 570
You could save your original BIOS for the RX 570 and alter the voltages and maybe the clocks for down voltage for the same FPS. I would definitive choose the RX 570 over 470, because they are faster, and you can under voltage them if you want (even possible on the RX 470 ofcourse). :)
Wish I had the same healthy used market here. Last week rx 570s were discounted in the biggest store in the country. People won't sell used (without warranty rx 570s that clearly mined) for less than the store did.
Please can some help with advice. Im not sure if to get a RX470 8gb or a RX570 4gb. Both are priced the same and used obviously. Im swimging towards the 470 8gb because of the 8gb. Im not planning on doing any overclocking. It will be paired with a Ryzen 3 3200g and 16gb 3000mhz ram. Thank you.
It would depend on the application for the card, whether I would be overclocking or not and whether or not power consumption would be a factor or not. The rx 570 is a much better overclocker as it has very leaky silicon but the rx 470 is much better performance per watt. I have seen this over multiple cards my self and is just how I think of them, the rx 480 and 580 are the same, although many rx 580 can undervolt very heavily I’d placed at the rx 480 reference clockspeeds
The only time I've seen corrosion like that on aluminum is after I washed heatsinks in somewhat salty water. It's a pain to get off. So maybe that's what happened.
Mannnn 17usd for rx570 😱😱😱 i wish i could have one .. my gtx 1060 is artifacting now 😖😖
maybe I should give away a few?
@@techyescity YES!!
@@techyescity one of my fav youtuber replied .. yay 🎉🎉🎉🎉🎉 yes please but still the shipping cost for international winners would be too much
I live in pakistan and the cost to ship the card over would obviously be greater than the card itself 😣😣😣
@@techyescity YES YES YES YES!!!!!
I undervolted my RX 470 from 1.100V to 1.000V and it uses up to 40W less!
GPU still clocks to 1226MHz like normal but the Fanspeed is way slower :)
on my RX470: 1260Mhz (Boost Freq) -50mV. OC for 5FPS more? mmm NO
@@a-job7276 I actually just tested how far i could go and only at -140mV I would get artifacts, -130mV is stable though
@@Felix-ve9hs I undervolted and overclocked mine, 1060mV, 1315Mhz
I've flashed a 570 nitro+ bios, kept the voltage and overclocked it to 1425mhz... and its doing great... :/
I never tried turning mine down that low. Every overclock I tried caused crashes. Upping the power limit also, unless I undervolt, but I only undervolt by 18mv.
Wasn't expecting Randy Orton's old theme song to play during a Tech Yes lovin' session.
Welcome to the Tech YES Universe, where anything is possible.
@@techyescity love it!
Hell YA Brother !!!!!!
I prefer this theme over the ones he is using now.
that rx470 is samsung memory, meanwhile rx570 is hynix one
Even certain batch of RX570/580 may come with different VRAM. Some used Elpida other uses Samsung or SkHynix.
Always double check the original vBIOS and all the specs.
@@MrBluePoochyena i wont risking RMA. Becuase there is a high chance you may be blacklisted or you get back the same GPU. Mort time wasting
@John Chrysostom Well, RMA:ing a perfectly working card just because it has the "wrong" memory IS a return scam! Especially if u do it multiple times!
Not really, my reference 470 platinum has sk hynix, i guess it depends what you get
My Rx570 is at 1.1v 1400MHz +50% power limit 2000ram with auto fan speed.
Most games it cruises through in the 90-130watt range until its really demanding then bumps the watts up to power through.
Then watching netflix it sits super low on idle with zero fan speed.
This card was such good value for me.
Good clocks ... if you want to KILL it fast. You dont need the ram oc tha thigh, especially since ram chips are the first to fail on a gpu. Also never raise power limits on AMD gpu's, test actual volts - start from stock and keep going lower till you cant reliably hit 1400. Then repeat with 1350, then 1300 and so on. The Idea is to get a good perf/W if you want the GPU to last youa few years.
EG 1400 at 1100mv is worse than 1350 at 1000mv, which is worse than 1300 at 900mv and so on.
Personally on polaris, I stick to stock volts on memory and OC it to +150mhz max, downvolt core to 900mv and check to see the max stable oc I can get on core with just 900mv. That will keep the temps and power low, while keeping perf at 95%+ of peak perf.
Richie Dhillon i dont need it to last. Rx570 are cheap and easy to get.
I also use FPS lock so its not bouncing off 100% usage.
Runs smooth and better then stock.
Shadow of the tomb raider benchmark only hit 92% usage at peak, just hit 70’C at 123watt max.
Been like this for over a year and has no signs of problems.
Richie Dhillon that won’t kill Samsung chips (Hynix or Elpida would be at the limits, I really need a hardware voltage feedback mod so mine will hit over 2000 MHz Elpida Vram). The core will vary, some may hit 1450 easily enough, others may catch fire before they ever hit 1300 MHz. He hasn’t BIOS modded his cards, so it’s not easy to kill them yet (you will always get the occasional dud, you know, like a good chunk of those RTX cards that died for no reason or DOA...)
I've been able to get very close to that with only a 5% boost to power with my RX570 (and I've seen better clocks than that with only 10-25% more power - but maybe the lottery came in my favor). I altered the fan speed curve though so it targets 60c for 100% fan (not 90 like it came stock). After playing a game for a few hours it reaches about 68c (in 73f ambient). I think there might not be too much risk of damage unless you are getting crazy temps (like 80c - 90c for extended amounts of time). I'm not sure what the cooler is on yours, I have an MSI Armor cooler.
Matthew Kiehl mine is msi armor too. Is that +5% to power limit?
I left it at +50% so when it needs to really boost it can. But as i use a fps lock it stops the card running at max all the time and stays cool and power use similar to stock. I use auto fan curve as its off bellow 50’ and even when running I can barely hear it.
Everyones use can be slightly different so its good to see what others do.
Questioning whether that 570 was a good bin or not. You have 17 of the bloody things! Do a test with around 10 of them & average the results. That'll give a more comprehensive answer.
@@fayenotfaye it is possible by disabling the cards from device manager or by using the amd control panel to use only one card (Cs I think Nvidia has something like that where you can switch from cpu to gpu mode)
Or
Some games might allow you to switch between cards
25$ aus is just RM72.50, at that price, I can get only the fan replacement of sapphire RX470/480/570/580 which is RM80....
Aizuddin Yusoff malaysia masih aman 🙊😉😅🤣
@@haziqbuang5414 mining card pun depa juai 350 hahahaha
Sebab sini susah jual. Kalau kat US ngan Aus. Market depa besaq.
Sini semua mahal der... Nak makap.. Lappy 2nd gen i7 pun ramai jual 1200.. Sebab apa? Sebab ada i7..😑😑😑
bruh i feel your pain, imagine getting a gpu that can give you a solid 1080p high performance for just 72 ringgit lmao. That's cheaper than most desktop casing here in Malaysia.
Things to consider about this. The RX 570 was a slight process shrink over the 470. Running a 470 BIOS on it with 470 Voltages might cause the symptoms you're seeing there. Secondly, there's the memory modules which may be different between the two cards. Different modules may need different voltages. Basically, the 470 BIOS may have been overvolting which on the 570 GPU caused it to be most unhappy.
Tech Yes you almost killed your card. You cant just flash randomly like that. Yes the first reference 500 bioses were compatible with the reference 400 cards, but you cant take ref 470 and flash custom PCB 570 bios on it. Fit it to work correctly both cards need to have the same GPU, voltage controller and memory. I remember clearly from the mining days that the bioses from cards with Samsung/Hynix memory were not compatible with the Micron ones, etc. And sometimes you can even kill the card if it does not have bios switch, it can get to a state of no post and not even detected on the PCI-E bus. This also explains your weird voltages and power reads, those bioses were made for different voltage controllers and so they received invalid configurations, and set voltage that luckily in your case both did not kill the card and made it stable enough to at least somehow work, but overall you were pretty lucky there.
Nice. rx 470 still a good deal
Pft... sucker... I got my RX 470s shipped for $55 each :-P
EDIT: Ah damn! I paused right before you said Aussie dollars. That's what I get for thinking I out-hustled the YES man.
Bro which agent did u use for shipping the 470d
How long will it last the Rx 470d will it work for 1 year
Which agent did u use to ship the 470d
What kind of VOODOO magic are you using to get those deals 17usd ? dfq. Teach me master
I think partially because he bought a whole bunch (volume). i.e Buy these 50 cards, 50 cpus, 50 cases for 2000
It's because of his magical fake bogan voice.
Bulk deals and "broken" hardware. Some people don't know better and might assume a minor issue like a broken fan means its useless junk.
Or they might assume PC hardware devalues quick like old cars.
Videos like these are why I love TechYesCity. Thank you Bryan.
Brian. You should make your own "Tech yes lovin" cleaning kits. (Brushes ECT) just a thought ! Great video as always man.
3:04 Yep, I know that feeling of how it keeps raining. As a fellow local, I hope the weather clears up for the both of us.
My 470 seems to work best with power turned UP and voltage turned DOWN. It can't be overclocked at any setting (other than a minor factory overclock), but with power up and voltage down it can run at boost speed all the time.
Gamers Nexus just compared 7 1070ti's to see how GPU silicon lottery works... Would make a really interesting video if you did the same with the 570's! Cheers.
Loving the use of "Burn in my Light" :) Unexpected use of the Legend Killer's theme
I was surprised too haha !
I love your videos..anyways,I have a sapphire nitro+ rx570.just want to ask the thickness of the thermal pads should I use if im going to give my card a tech yes lovin?and may I ask what thermal paste do you usually use..thank you and a reply would be great!
So much love in 'Tech Yes Love' that even the shirt helps 4:21 :)
When you run the cards 24/7 in an often warm environment you tend to cook-off some of the thermal grease, and cooler paste. This turns into a 'sludge' that can 'drip' along the card and into the cooler. It's not conductive so it's not harmful, but it looks funky and you may have to repaste the cooler to get the most out of the card when gaming.
that's a metric but ton of gpus... Nice... That's some good deals dude
WOOOO! The sound we all make, when the Yes Man releases a new video. What a killer deal! I would kill for at least 2 of those on a deal for some of my rigs here.
I use the Pulse RX470 8gb in my rig and while the FPS isn't skyrocketing with high numbers it still runs high on 1080p and 60-70fps on 4k with most games. All in all still great budget graphics card with still some yrs of life left.
Didn't the RX470/80 have issues with pulling too much power from the PCIe ? It's possible that it draws more power than it shows, so it would be interesting to also see a comparsion of total system power draw to rule this out.
Ignore any software readout in general (I have GPU validations of 35 GHz core frequency...), a million volts sometimes on core (again, you have to question if this is possible), sub-ambient temps like for FX on air cooler (literally physically impossible... HWmonitor still hasn’t fixed the readout since FX doesn’t use Intel temp probe type), and power on RX470 is a joke (I really can pull 300w per card on air benching, it shows 80w.... my readout is from killawatt meter and my HX1200i platinum graphs out power, for quad GPU benching on air I would need 2x PSU since graphics alone would be 1200w and yet software says it’s just 4x80w which is 240w.... yeah that’s not even close!)
Nice video Brian! it is something I've been thinking about since a long time now. But, it would be great to continue the thought about Software tinkering with MSI Afterburner or Wattman... If you undervolt the 570 Pulse, does it lose too much performance comparing to the consumption loss? Maybe you can try also a BIOS Editor and tweak some voltage/frequency settings: it would be excellent content to complete what you already did!
Yeah, strange to see him want better performance per watt and not try power limiting as the very first idea, and just let the newer generation / better die versions / whatever, show what they're made of when using the same power as the lower-tier device.
Of all the 470s and 570s I have tested the best results (power/performance) always come from stock 470s, flashing a 470 BIOS onto a 570 and vice versa doesn't typically have the desired effect. Flashing a 470 vBIOS onto a 570 either does nothing but drop performance or it lowers power consumption but fails to utilize the boost clocks properly and loses significantly more performance than it should. Seeing your power consumption actually go up was a first for me with that first 470 vBIOS you tried. You hit the nail on the head, use Wattman and undervolt the 570 (and 470) as low as you can without losing stability, I also bump the Power Target up by 40% this frequently yields significant power savings and I find the cards actually run better (hit max boost clocks more consistently). Like Brian I picked up a load of ex mining cards and flipped them after tinkering for a few weeks. I have to say, the 470s surprised me, with driver updates and optimizations they really do perform well compared to launch performance.
I'd love to see you make a video on how to properly refurbish used video cards, at least this video gave me a general idea how. Please keep up the good work!
What about flashing the 470 with the 570 bios, for those who are less concerned about power consumption?
I've search this on the intenet since one week and you make this vidéo... Thank you !
I bought a Sapphire RX 470 4GB and a MSI Gaming X RX570 8GB last month, both cards avg. power consumption was 78W just using the "Chill" function. with the 570 the only time it went over 80 was on poorly optimized games (like from UBI Soft) and 90W when stress testing. In fact I hit the silicon lottery with the RX 570 due to the speeds matching my 1060 so I sold my 1060. Now my rig is running much more efficiently, and cooler. The 470 is going to be used in a new build to be sold.
So did they show any significant performance difference when running at the same power?
@@d0nj03 about a 10-20% difference depending on the game if I recall (it has been 2 years now). This is from not only the older hardware difference, but the RAM size for some games. In those two years I went from a RX570 to a RX6600 which runs way better, but with AMD Chill it runs even more efficient depending on the game. For example Doom Eternal in Ultra Nightmare mode @ 1080p only uses 56W avg. while Red Dead Redemption 2 in the city uses a max wattage of 100 (80W avg. elsewhere) got it on 1st level of Quality mode in 1080p that is also having AMD Chill set on Auto. Right now I am on a system with a I7-10700T (35W) and the RX6600 (non XT) my system while gaming uses a average of
@@JeremyLeePotocki OK, thanks for the extra details. I think I may have jumped to conclusions on "running at the same power" though, as that Chill function might not be a strict power limit to the same value like I initially interpreted, so the 10-20% difference might not represent exactly what I was looking to find out. But I have reasonable hopes that a 570 would perform better at the same power cap as a 470, even if just on heat dissipation.
1:47 the music fading in makes me feel happy
Some mad retro music mid-vid today. As an 'old' I'm like, 'aiight playa...I feel ya'!
I absolutely live the look of the nitro pulse as I have the 570 Pulse looks so clean with the Pulse logo
WOOOOOOO
had asked for this earlier ,480>580! but pulling a reverse bios flash,WOAH! Madman!haha
TechYesLovingIT!!!
Hey mate, you should put this cards back in to mining rig. I do not know about how much electricity costs in Australia, but here in Russia it's cost around 0.06 USD. 20$ for a card is a very good price. In Russia used cards cost around 100 USD
I have a MSI GTX 1080 and I bought an MSI B450 Gaming Pro Carbon AC but I am undecided as to which ryzen 3000 cpu should buy. Which would you recommend the R5 3600X or the R7 3700X?
Dig the new bumper music. Keep that kind of stuff coming please!
Haven't watched yet but will!
Wanted to share my luck,
I bought 3 480s, 4 470s and an rm850x power supply (all 4gb cards) for $120
I then passed on the love to a local pc builder and sold him 1 480 and 2 470s for $100
Leaving me with 2 480s, and 2 470s for precisely $20
Or $5 a piece
I felt dirty.
I really like the silver colour of that GPU. Would go great with my build if I didn't already have a white R9 Nano.
your channel is what i can call (absolutely useful) thx handsome
Wow, if I could find a deal like this, It would be such a nice egpu for my 10 year old laptop that I should be able to play on this summer. Great video as always
great video bryan mate and I loved the randy orton theme 👍👍👍
Fellow Aussie and new subber, liking the vids mate.
The 470 reminds me of a 1960's russian transistor radio....ahhh happy days.
I have a "Mayak" soviet radio on my summer house, don't know if it works though
Hey Brian, have you manage to get rid of those corrosions? my GPU also has it and I can't find a way to clean it off. I need some tips about this
Not surprised the RX470 temps dropped dramatically, that paste flaked off like old paint 😂 it was due for some Tech Yes Lovin ❤
You can bypass the bios signature issue by using the AMD/ATI Pixel Clock Patcher. You'll probably need to re-enable it each time you update the driver.
Loved that behind the wall sound effect on the beginning
Yeah, somethings up with the Sapphire Cards. My Nitro+ RX 480 8GB OC (1342MHz) runs circles around most RX 580's out the box. With fire strike scores up2 15,600+ (GPU)
With the Nitro+ RX 480 8GB's they have the Sammy ram and can be clocked a good +100 to +200Mhz (8400MHz to 8800MHz) with +50 on the power limit.
My GPU OC's to 1425Mhz, pulling away even further. Maybe I got a good card.
I bought it from a guy that used it, but never gamed with it. He just wanted a silent card for his workstation and the Nitro+ was one of those cards. Lucky me i found it, the moment he posted it, and got for a cool $100 and it looked brand new with the original box and all. I started flashing some v-BIOS cause it had a dual switch and found that the original v-BIOS was the best one for this specific card.
My card then started acting difficult so my ending result was flashing the main OC v-BIOS to both v-BIOS to get the thing stable again. So i just left it at that. But, the RX 480 8GB OC BIOS, i found is the best one cause it has the highest tjmax and thermal throttle limit. and the best efficiency.
My card runs at a 75°c flat out stock and with the v-ram at +200 it doesn't effect the temps.
You called it man. The original BIOS is the best BIOS for these Sapphire cards, Nitro's or Pulse cards. I think my Nitro+ 480 is better than most 580's no doubt.
Lately, you been bringing the 3770K's and Nitro cards out, its looking like my lab over here. But for those that want to cross flash your Sapphire cards, "DON'T" Especially when Sapphire ED laughs at you for trying.
Unless you have a 470D, in that case, flash it to unlock the other cores. Keep the good'ol content movin mane. Maybe a revisit with some proper tuning on the RX VEGA's could be next on the list. I got my results ready.
I guess even the Yes Tech City Loving has its limits when it come some cards, still you tried your best and i really liked that you were no just dump the card in some unsuspecting PC buyer, shows character
Great way to start your morning. Even better with Mercy Drive!
bryan did you compare the asic quaility between the two cards in gpuz tabs section ? ,might give some clue to the binning
Tech YES City is the true legend killer
Are we sure the power difference isn't the extra fan? Maybe remove a fan and test it again? Or are the fans not part of the software power reading? It might be good to verify these readings from the wall. I use my APC to look at power differences, but there are other methods too.
@Tech Yes City, What all did you spray on the GPU's?
I love my RX 570 8Gb OC! For me always MORE POWER!!
Brian, one of the best and unique tech videos I’ve watched in a long time
lmao its raining for you too. we must be close?.... hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Hi Bryan,
what thermal pads size should i use for an rx 470D blower style memory & drm,
i couldn't find any good ensures online.
I have a build with an i5-3470, 8GB DDR3 RAM and a 500W PSU. Using a bottleneck calculator I narrowed the potential GPU matches to GTX 960, RX 480 and RX 570. Which of these would you recommend?
Great mixes as always 👍👍
Hi, can you tell me about those products that you used for cleaning the rx 570 heatsink? I have one with the same corrosion problem.
Great video! Guess I'll keep my RX 470 with the 470 vbios for efficiency based on these results.
Good video finding. I would have one this as well. Now, I’ll leave the RX 580 alone. :(
The Best music man! #TechYESLovin rules! 40% of power instead of 10% perfomance! Is 470 the best price-perfomance card now? And yeah, to flash BIOS card must be almost the same (manufacture and even cooling system)
yup. thats the best deal I have ever seen in my life, good job
Didn't expect that montage song, makes my headbang
are you posting ryzen videos at 11pm AU TIME?
i thermal grizzlied my rx 580 and it tops out at about 76c in a well ventalated case and it tops out at 51c on open air
Normal paste or liquid metal? (I'm considering liquid metal...)
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tech yes lovin. Did you grease them fan bearings>?
My God, that is a stupid good deal! Good on ya mate.
Damn that’s a good deal, wish we had deals like that I had to go a budget downgrade from my 980ti to a r9 390 as it was the best local deal I could get
Feel the RX 470 is too oft overlooked vs the RX 570 on the used market. My thoughts on what you saw might come down to how the Pulse vs the reference VRM are designed and setup, making for a slight difference in how the BIOS is setup to control them.
I got a Asus RX470 Strix OC on release day for $179 US with free shipping on Amazon :) it came to $272AU.. still using that thing today and will upgrade to navi 14 if its worth it.
I love the music in your videos
Great score ..... and great music!
Great video Brian, reckon the music was mixed 6-12 DB too high versus your voice, keep it up mate
Hi i wanted to ask that is 580 worth upgrade over 480 thanks if u reply!
I've heard the corrosion is from people blowing an air conditioner on their mining rigs to keep them cool. The heat sinks and other parts get cold enough for water to start condensing on them and they start to corrode.
Don't forget the R9 380X. Basically the same GPU with 4GB VRAM and 2048 streams. Not to be confused with the R9 380 though. The 380X is quite rare on the used market though.
When troubleshooting efficiency, power consumption etc. take a look at gpu-z's ASIC quality measurement. Sometimes it saves you some headaches.
I have the same corrosion on my Sapphire RX 570.
with the rx470 people used to recomend them over the 480 as overclocking it above a 480 was common, I didnt really hear about that with the 500 series so maybe your right on the binning process
Bryan, you mentioned the 570s were mining cards. Did you check whether the vbios was the original or maybe it was already flashed to improve mining performance and/or lower power consumption.
Everybody always raves about the RX570 being the best budged card - and it is - but no one ever speaks of the mighty RX470! It's basically the same card with almost the exact performance (few fps difference means nothing!), it's just a model from the previous year. And the thing is, u can usually find used RX470's (especially mining cards) much cheaper than RX570's! I've already bought two RX470's for a good price!
Great content as always 👍
No i checked it.. my sapphire nitro eats 150W in both cases, biosed to 470 and to 570.. so maybe it differs from one manufacturer or bios to another
I have a bad English an still want to now. Should I change my bios from 470 to 570 or I should stick with 470? I'm worried about having less performances because of better drivers for 570
what are you spraying before you brush?
cool B roll keep rockin tech yes
You could save your original BIOS for the RX 570 and alter the voltages and maybe the clocks for down voltage for the same FPS. I would definitive choose the RX 570 over 470, because they are faster, and you can under voltage them if you want (even possible on the RX 470 ofcourse). :)
Wish I had the same healthy used market here. Last week rx 570s were discounted in the biggest store in the country. People won't sell used (without warranty rx 570s that clearly mined) for less than the store did.
I already bought a new RX 570 Sapphire Palus, so I guess I have to stick with it!
Please can some help with advice. Im not sure if to get a RX470 8gb or a RX570 4gb. Both are priced the same and used obviously. Im swimging towards the 470 8gb because of the 8gb. Im not planning on doing any overclocking. It will be paired with a Ryzen 3 3200g and 16gb 3000mhz ram. Thank you.
It would depend on the application for the card, whether I would be overclocking or not and whether or not power consumption would be a factor or not. The rx 570 is a much better overclocker as it has very leaky silicon but the rx 470 is much better performance per watt. I have seen this over multiple cards my self and is just how I think of them, the rx 480 and 580 are the same, although many rx 580 can undervolt very heavily I’d placed at the rx 480 reference clockspeeds
is it really ok to leave thermal pads that look that bad on the card, as in looks dirty not torn?
Me: Damn I've been up all night better call it in
TH-cam: Hold it! Tech Yes City just dropped. Sleep is for the weak.
Me: Mmmmm....click*
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The only time I've seen corrosion like that on aluminum is after I washed heatsinks in somewhat salty water. It's a pain to get off. So maybe that's what happened.
Rx 570 nitro can run with just 6 pin cable?Any link or some info about that pls?