Obviously the woodworking is stellar, but I'm really impressed with how well you've established your own clear narrative voice in this video. You're got a great sense of what you're going for from a content perspective.
Mies van der Rohe stated "god is in the detail". Many might think it strange for an atheist to be using this quote, but attention to the minuet expresses the elegance of the detail /piece and hides in plain sight the complexity of a presumed "simple" solution. A great build that is more than the sum of it's parts. Kudos you.
Love it. So very true. I am working on another design that is seemingly simple but the details add a hidden layer of complexity. Thank you for your comment!
What a nice table. Different design than I've seen before. The modern looking legs work really well with the tabletop. And that woodgrain in the finished product is awesome.
Thanks for the tip about not using carpet tape, I have almost reached for it. I have however used Tyvek tape with good results. Nice job, and it is good to see another PDX guy getting his stuff out there.
letting the glue seep down then sanding to fill up they micro cracks is a pretty great idea. Working on a 60" round slab/epoxy table and I was trying to figure out the best way to fill those types of voids.
Cool build! I watch alot of these videos but i actually learned something today (plane acros the grain for removing material and with the grain for removing and fixing any tearout). I'm sub #975!
Thanks for subscribing! Glad you found a helpful tip. I will say on that one scrub planing across the grain does allow for a deeper cut to quickly get through it, but it's aggressive and you have to set the plane up really well or use a cambered blade to not dig in too much. It'll also blow out the edges of a normal board, not this slab though because the grain was supporting itself (live edge and the fibers all being intact vs sawn and severed). But yeah, if you need to rough out a board by hand, scrub planing across the grain does quick work, then fix the mess the normal way!
It can also be done to not bog down the saw. Some woods are really hard. And some people don't like it when they hear the saw slow down. Even though it's technically fine as long as it doesn't stall. Its' just less load on the motor to take smaller cuts of thick hardwoods.
A lot of great woodworking out of Oregon. I've heard Maverick is a great place, though I haven't been out there yet. I'm on my first dining table as well. Such a long process!
Those guys out at Maverick are awesome. They also sell a lot of slabs. Good luck on your table, they definitely aren't the fastest project to get done!
Tip: I also built a desk last year and because I knew it wouls be months before I finish the project, the first thing I did after I flattened the top was to install the C channels. The panel was fine all the way through the project.
That definitely will help. This slab I knew would move as it spring back immediately creating a cup right off the CNC. I wanted it to keep moving and releasing tension so I could deal with it (didn't think it would move this much but oh well). I'd rather let it move now than restrict it and have it bend those c-channel, which a slab certainly will do.
@@keatonbeyerwoodworking are you sure about that? Cupping and warping are not signifact forces to overcome with C channels, as opposed to expansion and contraction, which cannot be mitigated by virtually any force. Cam over on blacktail studio builds tables with giant slabs with decent C channels and they're not warping. However, if you feel that the metal clashes with your idea for the design, I can see that argument. There are great japanese woodworking channels that wood boards with sliding dovetails to stabilize the top, that's also really nice. Regardless, it's a beautiful build.
This is one reason I keep wood for the project I'm doing next in the house. Let it acclimate to the environment it's going to live in. A garage is not the same environment as your clients house. That way it will move before I start working on it. Of course if its a thick slab and you mill off a significant amount it will probably move again after milling.
“Changed my mindset from maker to owner” - not enough people do this and it sets your work apart. Well done! Side note: I’m curious about your respirator… it looks like you’re using just the charcoal filter and no particulate filter? Or did they come out with something new? A 2-in-1 deal?
Thank you. I've made enough mistakes to think through the experience. I didn't talk too much about the effort to reduce racking, but that was big on my mind for this build. No one likes to stand up from a table and have it wobble as you push on it. The respirator does have the charcoal filter but it's also n95 rated. I bought them for spraying finishes, which I used this one for partway through this project and left the same filters on. So it's not really the right filter to use, but I'm lazy and don't switch them as often as I should.
You're a great story teller. You mention Oregon City, are you around Portland? I live over on the west side and am always keen to make the acquaintance of fellow local woodworkers. Keep up the great channel!
Very nice, well done! Very much like how you accomplished such good work using the tools most woodworkers have in their shops. It’s very discouraging to see a project you’d like to tackle only to see the maker using high end, commercial grade ma machines that are way out of mist people’s budgets.
Thanks a ton. I started off on a job site table saw but the sale of this project enabled me to upgrade to the cabinet saw, earned over years of small projects leading me to the biggest commission I've had. So yeah, treat yo-self!
I love the design, but am wondering if pushing on the table laterally will break off those legs as they are not attached with stretchers? Awesome table, but the highlight was the sick dancing, for sure. I will subscribe!
They are pretty darn solid. The legs being mortised into the slab really helps prevent any lateral movement across the length of the table. I didn't show me adding threaded inserts and bolts to secure the base into those mortises, but they ensure a tight connection. My dad taught me those sweet! moves!
Nice table but did you check the moisture content when you purchased the slab? Warping is a telltale sign of the wood not being at equilibrium moisture content. This is why many people don't understand why large slabs cost so much, it takes 1 year of air drying for each inch of thickness of your slab, not to mention fumigating and and all the little steps it takes to make perfictly usable wood. This goes out to all the people buying slabs on FB marketplace.
I did and it was sitting at 7.5 - 8%. I purchased it from a sawmill who kiln dried the slab. It sprung back a bit straight off the bed after flattening. Flattening removed around 1 inch of material and in doing so changed the tension in the wood which caused the movement. Same thing will happen to a regular board after milling, so I did what I usually do and flatten, wait, and reflatten, removing a small amount of material on the second go.
Luck of the draw I guess. But keep in mind sometimes the kiln drying process is rushed and you end up with case hardening where the slab looks dry from the outside but retains moisture inside creating pressure of the outer dry case on to the damp wood inside and resulting in checking or honeycomb type pattern in worst case scenarios.@@keatonbeyerwoodworking
Ah. As soon as you said "carpet tape" I knew it was trouble. That stuff should be used for things you don't want to come unstuck. It's definitely not a double sided tape alternative for attaching templates. It's basically my go to last resort when other tapes aren't sticking enough. I don't use it for woodworking though.
I have a sawyer near me (about 15 minutes) and he gets red oak, white oak, maple, walnut - basically anything people bring him. Grizzled old man who charges 75$ if his blade breaks cutting your log. I'm in a around 40-100% humidity area and once my slabs are dry - tip NEVER trust that slab, test it in around a dozen spots with a surface meter. Then if you can, go underside for the pin hole test in the middle or a pair of them on each end. If you I am that sub 10%, then I get to work, flatten and get those C channels in. I found when I do this, my deviation is around 1/8" over 4 -5 foot across. I do a lot of tables, but I'm not a full time person. I'm into everything such as block chain crypto projects, wood working, farming, high tech, etc. All I can saw is it is terrible when I grab some 8/4 or 12/4 walnut, and then I lose 1/2" because of warping. My recent project I got 8/4 to 1 7/8". So happened to have C channels, early on. I don't know though, people like Cam from Blacktail will do those more towards the end, but he's in Oregon, I'm in the mid south. Yep, fun times. Also, subbed.
@@keatonbeyerwoodworking Don't worry. I'm in over 4900 board foot at this point and I'm always suprised. Ie, I tested a slab of some 4.5" black walnut (11' x 79" wide at longest / widest, with a cut out and live edge of final - 9' 8" L x 68 and 5/8 w). Heres what happened. Moisture content in SIX areas was sub 8% which is crazy. Well, guess what happens when I decided to have it surfaced? Also, what happened when I cross cut, and ripped one side to get it squared up? IT MOVED 1.25" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lesson here is there is tension in walnut, I not experienced. This was also heavily burled on 1/3 of the side of the slab where I cut. It just....released. Le sigh.
Good video ... bad music choice ... After flatening ... pun in C chanels ... right away... so you reduce the cuping ... i think it will continue to move in the clients house. Nice legs ...but would look better black metal ones. I feel the pain of moving that big slab .
I went with Natura one coat. A hard wax oil product. Ended up doing two coats of it. It was a much more affordable two part product compared to the competitors. It was my first time using it so I wanted to see the results before telling people it's good
Live and learn on that one. Hopefully people can learn from our mutual mistake and leave the carpet tape for the carpet. Luckily, after some sanding, it didn't interfere with the finish.
They make poly-hanging double sided tape for remodeling, it has painters tape adhesive on one side and carpet tape adhesive on the other so it stays on one thing, you can use a heat gun and a putty knife to remove it from the template easily.
@@Realism91 The thing is it doesn't have to be that sticky. There is a tendency to overkill when taping on templates but experience has taught me normal double sided tape for woodworking is plenty. Templates do not have that much force on them. It's the wood that the router is cutting that gets smacked with all the force, not the template the bearing is referencing. And obviously the workpiece gets clamped down or is massively heavy, such as in this video. The template simply does not need anything more than double sided tape. Carpet tape is simply too sticky for this application, whether you can heat it off or not, it's excessive and unnecessary. Besides, the tape is only as strong as the less sticky side so if the painters tape side was strong enough than the carpet side is unnecessary. And if the painter tape is not strong enough then the tape will fail anyway.
Your work is beautiful. Let it speak for itself. Your logo and video style is much too similar to @blacktailstudio for it to have not been done intentionally. In my opinion, you should at the least give the man a shoutout as that channel was clearly your inspiration for the video and commentary style as well as logo. You do great work and I can see why your clients choose your work, however the intentional mirroring of BlackTail Studio in your video work leaves an odd taste.
I'm sorry you feel that way but it's not true. This table was asked for by my clients. The video style has been cultivated over all of my videos. Funny enough, I don't watch much Blacktail, although I do appreciate his work. I am inspired by other great TH-camrs that I look up to such as Sawyer Designs and Four Eyes. In fact, I feel my commentary is very much my own style I have been working on for a year and a half in my blog writing. Not to say I don't draw inspiration from what I watch, but don't we all. Thanks for sharing your view point from your lens.
I enjoyed the humor, the joinery, and the miter saw tip. Keep it up. ❤
I appreciate it! Thank you for the feedback! I'm a bit star struck to have someone I watch comment on my video
@@keatonbeyerwoodworking no need to be star struck. I’m an AI bot and my entire channel is fake.
@@wittworks Ha!
Also, for what it's worth, I subbed to your channel because I saw a community post from this AI Drew Bot linking your video. Good stuff.
Obviously the woodworking is stellar, but I'm really impressed with how well you've established your own clear narrative voice in this video. You're got a great sense of what you're going for from a content perspective.
I appreciate that! This video felt like my style definer. More to come!
Really enjoyed the video. I thought the video production and editing was fantastic 👌😀👍
Awesome feedback, thank you!
Loved the humor, the attention to detail, and the story. Inspiring work, sir!
Thank you!
Really well made. True woodworking.
I appreciate it!
Mies van der Rohe stated "god is in the detail". Many might think it strange for an atheist to be using this quote, but attention to the minuet expresses the elegance of the detail /piece and hides in plain sight the complexity of a presumed "simple" solution.
A great build that is more than the sum of it's parts. Kudos you.
Love it. So very true. I am working on another design that is seemingly simple but the details add a hidden layer of complexity. Thank you for your comment!
Great video showing the challenges most of us single shop woodworkers face! Beautiful table by the way! 🤩
Thanks man!
Great job! It’s nice to see people still build and not tell me the top 5 tools I need under $20 lol. Just subbed and hope to see more!
Awesome man, thanks!
Well done
Wow. You really knocked this project out of the park! Great design and loved how you presented it.
That's really great to hear, Kevin. Thank you!
I watch all the big accounts and I enjoyed your as much.. Gorgeous grains, work and end piece.
Thank you! That means a lot
What a nice table. Different design than I've seen before. The modern looking legs work really well with the tabletop. And that woodgrain in the finished product is awesome.
Thank you! That base was really fun to make. Unobtrusive so it doesn't take away from the top but pretty on its own.
Sir.. Excellent video. Hope your channel grows.
Thanks!
What a beautiful table, Keaton! Great job. I love your sense of humor.
Thank you Kathy! I appreciate the comment and support!
Beautiful piece.
I'm not gonna lie, I really like my HF dado stack! Great job on the table!
I don't use it often, but it's worked great whenever I do need it!
Outstanding work 👏👏
Thanks for the tip about not using carpet tape, I have almost reached for it. I have however used Tyvek tape with good results. Nice job, and it is good to see another PDX guy getting his stuff out there.
Thanks! I'll have to check out your page!
Great woodworking skills, love the narrative and details.
Thank you, much appreciated!
Great job the table looks beautiful great humor and video
Thank you!
Great video! I really like the narration and edits! The table turned out amazing!
Thanks! Appreciate it!
letting the glue seep down then sanding to fill up they micro cracks is a pretty great idea. Working on a 60" round slab/epoxy table and I was trying to figure out the best way to fill those types of voids.
Those small cracks are a pain to epoxy. Surface filling is way easier and faster
This is awesome! WittWorks sent me, new sub here!!
That's awesome! I really appreciate it!
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Amazing ❤❤
Great project! That’s a beautiful table
Thanks so much!
Good luck on the new journey.
I'm not sure where I'm going but thank you!
Great job! Love the table!
Thank you Spencer and Anna!
looks great !
Thank you!
Cool build! I watch alot of these videos but i actually learned something today (plane acros the grain for removing material and with the grain for removing and fixing any tearout). I'm sub #975!
Thanks for subscribing! Glad you found a helpful tip. I will say on that one scrub planing across the grain does allow for a deeper cut to quickly get through it, but it's aggressive and you have to set the plane up really well or use a cambered blade to not dig in too much. It'll also blow out the edges of a normal board, not this slab though because the grain was supporting itself (live edge and the fibers all being intact vs sawn and severed). But yeah, if you need to rough out a board by hand, scrub planing across the grain does quick work, then fix the mess the normal way!
6:56 - you're a monster. I'm still laughing... too funny.
Ha! Thanks!
The miter saw...I had no idea why people made several passes. I just assumed they were showing off their high $$$ miter saw! Thanks!
Yeah man, I didn't get it for a while until I had some pinching and kickback
It can also be done to not bog down the saw. Some woods are really hard. And some people don't like it when they hear the saw slow down. Even though it's technically fine as long as it doesn't stall. Its' just less load on the motor to take smaller cuts of thick hardwoods.
A lot of great woodworking out of Oregon. I've heard Maverick is a great place, though I haven't been out there yet.
I'm on my first dining table as well. Such a long process!
Those guys out at Maverick are awesome. They also sell a lot of slabs. Good luck on your table, they definitely aren't the fastest project to get done!
Tip: I also built a desk last year and because I knew it wouls be months before I finish the project, the first thing I did after I flattened the top was to install the C channels. The panel was fine all the way through the project.
That definitely will help. This slab I knew would move as it spring back immediately creating a cup right off the CNC. I wanted it to keep moving and releasing tension so I could deal with it (didn't think it would move this much but oh well). I'd rather let it move now than restrict it and have it bend those c-channel, which a slab certainly will do.
@@keatonbeyerwoodworking are you sure about that? Cupping and warping are not signifact forces to overcome with C channels, as opposed to expansion and contraction, which cannot be mitigated by virtually any force.
Cam over on blacktail studio builds tables with giant slabs with decent C channels and they're not warping.
However, if you feel that the metal clashes with your idea for the design, I can see that argument. There are great japanese woodworking channels that wood boards with sliding dovetails to stabilize the top, that's also really nice.
Regardless, it's a beautiful build.
This is one reason I keep wood for the project I'm doing next in the house. Let it acclimate to the environment it's going to live in. A garage is not the same environment as your clients house. That way it will move before I start working on it. Of course if its a thick slab and you mill off a significant amount it will probably move again after milling.
“Changed my mindset from maker to owner” - not enough people do this and it sets your work apart. Well done!
Side note: I’m curious about your respirator… it looks like you’re using just the charcoal filter and no particulate filter? Or did they come out with something new? A 2-in-1 deal?
Thank you. I've made enough mistakes to think through the experience. I didn't talk too much about the effort to reduce racking, but that was big on my mind for this build. No one likes to stand up from a table and have it wobble as you push on it.
The respirator does have the charcoal filter but it's also n95 rated. I bought them for spraying finishes, which I used this one for partway through this project and left the same filters on. So it's not really the right filter to use, but I'm lazy and don't switch them as often as I should.
You're a great story teller. You mention Oregon City, are you around Portland? I live over on the west side and am always keen to make the acquaintance of fellow local woodworkers. Keep up the great channel!
I am in the Portland area. Send me a private message, not sure if you can on TH-cam but you can on Instagram or Facebook
Very nice, well done! Very much like how you accomplished such good work using the tools most woodworkers have in their shops. It’s very discouraging to see a project you’d like to tackle only to see the maker using high end, commercial grade ma machines that are way out of mist people’s budgets.
Thanks a ton. I started off on a job site table saw but the sale of this project enabled me to upgrade to the cabinet saw, earned over years of small projects leading me to the biggest commission I've had. So yeah, treat yo-self!
I think they make double sided painters tape, I know they make poly-hanging tape that has one side less sticky.
I have some for woodworkers, I was just out and wanted to get to work so I figured why not. Blue tape trick works well too
I love the design, but am wondering if pushing on the table laterally will break off those legs as they are not attached with stretchers? Awesome table, but the highlight was the sick dancing, for sure. I will subscribe!
They are pretty darn solid. The legs being mortised into the slab really helps prevent any lateral movement across the length of the table. I didn't show me adding threaded inserts and bolts to secure the base into those mortises, but they ensure a tight connection.
My dad taught me those sweet! moves!
true, they are mortised in.@@keatonbeyerwoodworking Whatever the case, beautiful work and design!
Nice table but did you check the moisture content when you purchased the slab? Warping is a telltale sign of the wood not being at equilibrium moisture content. This is why many people don't understand why large slabs cost so much, it takes 1 year of air drying for each inch of thickness of your slab, not to mention fumigating and and all the little steps it takes to make perfictly usable wood. This goes out to all the people buying slabs on FB marketplace.
I did and it was sitting at 7.5 - 8%. I purchased it from a sawmill who kiln dried the slab. It sprung back a bit straight off the bed after flattening. Flattening removed around 1 inch of material and in doing so changed the tension in the wood which caused the movement. Same thing will happen to a regular board after milling, so I did what I usually do and flatten, wait, and reflatten, removing a small amount of material on the second go.
Luck of the draw I guess. But keep in mind sometimes the kiln drying process is rushed and you end up with case hardening where the slab looks dry from the outside but retains moisture inside creating pressure of the outer dry case on to the damp wood inside and resulting in checking or honeycomb type pattern in worst case scenarios.@@keatonbeyerwoodworking
True and I know it happens. Luckily, the wood supplier I bought this from did a great job drying this slab.
Love the epoxy scrap with heat 🔥 no one likes sanding ...
Such a nice clean way to remove it. And after the epoxy cools it hardens back up
Ah. As soon as you said "carpet tape" I knew it was trouble. That stuff should be used for things you don't want to come unstuck. It's definitely not a double sided tape alternative for attaching templates. It's basically my go to last resort when other tapes aren't sticking enough. I don't use it for woodworking though.
I was kicking myself on that one. Not because I made the mistake but because I used so much of it. In the end I got it off and it was all fine
I have a sawyer near me (about 15 minutes) and he gets red oak, white oak, maple, walnut - basically anything people bring him. Grizzled old man who charges 75$ if his blade breaks cutting your log. I'm in a around 40-100% humidity area and once my slabs are dry - tip NEVER trust that slab, test it in around a dozen spots with a surface meter. Then if you can, go underside for the pin hole test in the middle or a pair of them on each end. If you I am that sub 10%, then I get to work, flatten and get those C channels in. I found when I do this, my deviation is around 1/8" over 4 -5 foot across. I do a lot of tables, but I'm not a full time person. I'm into everything such as block chain crypto projects, wood working, farming, high tech, etc.
All I can saw is it is terrible when I grab some 8/4 or 12/4 walnut, and then I lose 1/2" because of warping. My recent project I got 8/4 to 1 7/8". So happened to have C channels, early on. I don't know though, people like Cam from Blacktail will do those more towards the end, but he's in Oregon, I'm in the mid south.
Yep, fun times. Also, subbed.
Totally. These slabs are a whole new thing for me with a learning curve to climb. Thanks for the advice!
@@keatonbeyerwoodworking Don't worry. I'm in over 4900 board foot at this point and I'm always suprised. Ie, I tested a slab of some 4.5" black walnut (11' x 79" wide at longest / widest, with a cut out and live edge of final - 9' 8" L x 68 and 5/8 w). Heres what happened. Moisture content in SIX areas was sub 8% which is crazy.
Well, guess what happens when I decided to have it surfaced? Also, what happened when I cross cut, and ripped one side to get it squared up? IT MOVED 1.25" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Lesson here is there is tension in walnut, I not experienced. This was also heavily burled on 1/3 of the side of the slab where I cut. It just....released. Le sigh.
Good video ... bad music choice ...
After flatening ... pun in C chanels ... right away... so you reduce the cuping ... i think it will continue to move in the clients house. Nice legs ...but would look better black metal ones. I feel the pain of moving that big slab .
I appreciate you taking the time to comment
New sub here. Great vid and really nice table. I'm working on my first table myself using an acacia/monkeypod slab. 😬
Good luck! It'll turn out awesome!
The next Blacktail 🤔
But with hair!
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Very well done and entertaining video! What finish did you end up going with?
I went with Natura one coat. A hard wax oil product. Ended up doing two coats of it. It was a much more affordable two part product compared to the competitors. It was my first time using it so I wanted to see the results before telling people it's good
how do you make legs like that?
I think the video shows the process fairly well
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Inspired by blacktail and 4eyes?
I've watched my fair share of both and have learned a thing or two about video composition from their work.
@@keatonbeyerwoodworking don’t be afraid to do you, I think you have a lot of potential. Don’t stay in someone’s shadow.
how much did you pay for the lumber?
Around $2,000 which was honestly a pretty good deal. I shopped around prices and it could have easily been double that
@@keatonbeyerwoodworking Wow, that's expensive. Do you get the half of the payment upfront?
Sorry for the late reply, but yes. I got half of the payment up front to cover costs.
#graingasm
Yeah we made that mistake with carpet tape, hours cleaning up the wood afterwards
Live and learn on that one. Hopefully people can learn from our mutual mistake and leave the carpet tape for the carpet. Luckily, after some sanding, it didn't interfere with the finish.
They make poly-hanging double sided tape for remodeling, it has painters tape adhesive on one side and carpet tape adhesive on the other so it stays on one thing, you can use a heat gun and a putty knife to remove it from the template easily.
@@Realism91 The thing is it doesn't have to be that sticky. There is a tendency to overkill when taping on templates but experience has taught me normal double sided tape for woodworking is plenty. Templates do not have that much force on them. It's the wood that the router is cutting that gets smacked with all the force, not the template the bearing is referencing. And obviously the workpiece gets clamped down or is massively heavy, such as in this video. The template simply does not need anything more than double sided tape. Carpet tape is simply too sticky for this application, whether you can heat it off or not, it's excessive and unnecessary.
Besides, the tape is only as strong as the less sticky side so if the painters tape side was strong enough than the carpet side is unnecessary. And if the painter tape is not strong enough then the tape will fail anyway.
An AI generated Channel called @wittworks said to come and see this. So I did, Drew was right. Very nice build and video.
That AI guy did me a solid. Thanks for stopping by and checking out my channel!
Fake news.
Don't be jealous@@wittworks Wait, can AI be jealous
It’s ok
I'll take an ok over bad so that's a win in my book
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Your work is beautiful. Let it speak for itself. Your logo and video style is much too similar to @blacktailstudio for it to have not been done intentionally. In my opinion, you should at the least give the man a shoutout as that channel was clearly your inspiration for the video and commentary style as well as logo. You do great work and I can see why your clients choose your work, however the intentional mirroring of BlackTail Studio in your video work leaves an odd taste.
I'm sorry you feel that way but it's not true. This table was asked for by my clients. The video style has been cultivated over all of my videos. Funny enough, I don't watch much Blacktail, although I do appreciate his work. I am inspired by other great TH-camrs that I look up to such as Sawyer Designs and Four Eyes. In fact, I feel my commentary is very much my own style I have been working on for a year and a half in my blog writing. Not to say I don't draw inspiration from what I watch, but don't we all.
Thanks for sharing your view point from your lens.