Balancer Differences Ford Small Block

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  • Which Balancer do you have? 260 289 302 351
    Episode 175 Manic Mechanic
    We look at the changes Ford made to the 260 289 302 351 between 1962 and 2001.
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  • @johnbarker5009
    @johnbarker5009 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Harmonic balancers are pretty exciting when the ring comes off the hub. Once was enough for that. You're a wealth of information on these Fords. I always learn something, and I've been around Fords all my life.

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Try putting a 260 damper on a 347 ....
      YeeeeHaaaaw!!!!

  • @stewartborgman5702
    @stewartborgman5702 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    351w never made the switch to 50oz, stayed 28 all the way through.

  • @67Stang
    @67Stang ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Some great information. Love Ford's inconsistencies. My 67 Mustang is right there on the switch between early 67 and late 67 changes. Makes it fun sometimes getting parts.

  • @V8THERAPIA
    @V8THERAPIA 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    thank U so MUCHHH! I had this exact problem here in Brazil with my 302 mustang. It had a ford maverick 280z harmonic balancer and the correct one is 500z. The video really helped me to figure out this bad vibration on the engine.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Glad it helped

    • @gustavorosa7721
      @gustavorosa7721 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I'm from Brazil also, doing a 351w to make my Landau a little more agile 😂
      This video helped a lot

  • @Stroke2Handed
    @Stroke2Handed ปีที่แล้ว

    I had a '61 Ranchero when I was a teenager. The car in the background reminded me of it.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      We've got a teenager who works on it when he's not juggling the other responsibilities on his shoulders. His plan is to use it for his lawn care company.

    • @Stroke2Handed
      @Stroke2Handed ปีที่แล้ว

      @AutoRestoMod should be fine, unless he plans on towing a heavy load. Pulling a load isn't the issue. Being able to stop it is where the problem lies LOL! Good luck to him. I sold mine in 1998.

  • @BareRoseGarage
    @BareRoseGarage ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I've said many many many times..... when you are doing this kind of stuff. Ford will separate the Men from the Boys in a hurry. And it's because of this kind of stuff. Ford you have to Know what you have........ not what you Think you have, or you end up with a lot of returns, or shelves full of (maybe one of these will turn up) parts.
    Great video as always man!

  • @kennethstaszak9990
    @kennethstaszak9990 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The post '69ish water pumps had a longer snout with deeper dish pulleys so the correct pulleys have to be used to have any chance of belt alignment.

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Radiator hose is on the driver's side.... And then there's the reverse rotation.....

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh look, even MORE mud! LOL

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I've built 5 bolt 289 blocks into 331 and used the timing cover oil filler and 260 valve covers....
      STEALTH....
      except for the super sharp genius that checks the damper.👍

  • @timfisher77
    @timfisher77 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    interesting and fun video!
    I am building a Heinz 57 junkyard mutt 302 ranger and getting everything sorted out has been a hassle.
    all your information has been helpfull and enteraining
    BUT
    it was difficult to extract actionable data from it.
    perhaps put it on a spreadsheet or table??

    • @timfisher77
      @timfisher77 ปีที่แล้ว

      a better recap
      two styles of 28oz both are four bolt pulleys
      one style 50 oz allways 3 bolt pulley
      is this correct???

  • @jeffreysalzman1497
    @jeffreysalzman1497 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I was all excited to run out to my garage and check my Falcon to see which one I have and then I remembered that I put it in storage last weekend.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      Dang. Looks like a prime time for a storage trip.

  • @AwesomeMillerChill
    @AwesomeMillerChill ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you for the great info

  • @2nd66tube2
    @2nd66tube2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm using a Professional Products #80046 ,has 3 different bolt patterns and degree etchings and removable weights. If you have a SBF basically it works, Besides many vintage balancers have cracked rubber and can come apart

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Even new vintage style dampers can be wrong for the damping.

  • @boniebuhr5973
    @boniebuhr5973 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Great info - thanks

  • @nathanmoore9451
    @nathanmoore9451 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great explanation sir. Thanks for clearing all that up.

  • @leethomas9198
    @leethomas9198 ปีที่แล้ว

    Good info. Dad bought a 84 Bronco w/o an engine and he put a 69 351w in place of the 302 and drove it for a few years with a terrible vibration. I remember when he changed the flexplate to the 28 Oz and smooth as butter. Me now put together a 302 clevor w/ aussie closed chamber heads using 84 302 HO and found out that the mustang flywheel didn't have all the necessary teeth making no start till I found a f150 flywheel. Can make your head hurt but that is what Goody powders are for.😁

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      Man, I bet your soft drink would go flat by the time you got to work.

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Chevys are no better.
      Those guys just want us to think that they are.

  • @dude9089
    @dude9089 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think more people than we thought scratch our heads over balancers. My 390fe has the same problem. 1967 block had a real thin one. Was told it’s also used on the 427. My research put it on the straight 6. Ugh. Lol

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      I wanted to hit the 221-351 since it is a lot more current for most owners.

  • @bigd2203snuffy
    @bigd2203snuffy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Somewhere I read that all the 351W were 28oz weight. I was looking for a 28oz flexplate for my 1966 289 with an AOD. The 1990 351W says 164 tooth and 28oz.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes. The 351 was a 28 oz.

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 ปีที่แล้ว

      1989 Crown Victoria police car with 351W 👍👍👍👍 at your local parts store $50

    • @starefly9103
      @starefly9103 ปีที่แล้ว

      Pioneer FRA-205, bought it for 4R70W ! Pay attention to flywheel offset. Basically ford used 2 differents, only one will fit the 289.

  • @JohnDoe-tj6vy
    @JohnDoe-tj6vy 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Stock, I read all 351w are 28oz. I bought a new an ATK 351 for my 86 bronco and used the stock flex plate and new 28oz balancer. Seems smooth as can be.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes. they are all 28oz.

  • @sclemmons1
    @sclemmons1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'd post a picture if I could, another variable Ford threw in there is the EEC-III ignition system. It had a crankshaft position sensor that sensed 4-pointed star points that were on the harmonic balancer in the early 80s(ish) that triggered the ignition system, along with a throttle position sensor on the carburetor. Don't believe me? Google Motorcraft 2150 carburetors with a throttle position sensor.

  • @motorised1
    @motorised1 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i had to line up the pullies on a 302 powered 69 mustang including making one for the new alternator.... its wasnt easy or fun then we got a new second had 2 belt water pump pulling that i had to space forward just over an 1/8 engineers just can't leave shit well enough alone.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      Nope. It's the "legacy effect". They have to put their mark on stuff.

  • @victorbecerra0986
    @victorbecerra0986 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey, what’s up brother my question is, im having a remanufactured 302 built for my for my 91 crown Vic and I asked them to balance it do I need to give them the original harmonic balancer, and flywheel, so that it is in sync with my AOD torque converter? Thank you for the response. Dig the channel by the way. 🇺🇸👍

  • @aguyinnc2865
    @aguyinnc2865 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So.... my '73 Mach 1 Mustang with 351C 2V has had a very mild, harmonic vibration since I have owned it, noticed sitting in park, with the engine revved between 2300 and mostly noticed at 2800 RPM. I did replace the harmonic balancer, as the one on it was showing rubber oozing out in places it shouldn't. Anyway, the new balancer matches the old one, and the vibration remains. I have also read the flex plate for small block Fords can have different weights. The engine runs good, is very drivable, and the vibration is hardly noticable. I've been told that if there was a wrong part, either the harmonic balancer, or the flexplate, on the engine, it would be VERY noticable. Your thoughts?

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Might just be poorly balance "crank" at rebuild. Damper/ flex plate imbalance is VERY noticeable.

    • @johnb7430
      @johnb7430 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Your rotating assembly is out of balance. Crank, pistons, rods, damper and flexplate all need to match.
      Commonly it's found when a single piston is replaced and its not matched

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Hot Rod and John B are correct.

  • @johnb7430
    @johnb7430 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Q: What about the timing marks locations?
    Also the affect on pulley locations? To go along with left or right input water pumps

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That is another thing entirely. Ford changed it several times. BUT that would make a good video!

    • @codester2300
      @codester2300 ปีที่แล้ว

      Did you make a video about timing marks?

  • @creekjonsun
    @creekjonsun 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ford did throw a rock into this discussion. Today,,, You can buy a Boss 302 (Windsor) with Z heads and 9 to 1 compression, 340 HP. This engine is INTERNALLY BALANCED. NO EXTERNAL WEIGHTS on the balancer or flywheel .

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Agreed but this is more about yesterday than today lol.

  • @DARKthenoble
    @DARKthenoble 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    They stopped producing the harmonic balencers for the 302 96 ford f150. Is it possible to get away with substituting it with a 95 302 harmonic balencer?

  • @mikesrestoration
    @mikesrestoration 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    i wish you would have covered cleveland. I think its the same as a the 70ish ones.

  • @larrybralley1942
    @larrybralley1942 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Here’s my issue. I bought a basket case. The block has an E0 date on it. The balancer appears to be a 50oz. with the thicker outer ring but it has 3 bolt holes for the pulley. It kinda throws me off by connecting with the 3 bolt scenario that you mentioned. It doesn’t have the pie shaped weight. Do I have a 50 oz. ? I’m wanting to use my Fox body flywheel to go with a T-5. I just don’t want to proceed further until I’m sure. I must have an “ish” engine. Help!

  • @zh9119
    @zh9119 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about the 1996 F-150/Bronco 302, is there any way to add the 4-point tone ring to a 1992-95 balancer? The '96 balancers are not available, the only option is to repair them. If you install the regular balancers from 92-95, you'll have a check engine warning (misfire).

  • @andrewforster2858
    @andrewforster2858 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a 1968 ford 302 out of a Econoline Van and it has a 4 hole harmonic balancer and I put a 1998 ford crown vic front drive system and it fit fine with no problems

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The Damper was possibly replaced.

    • @andrewforster2858
      @andrewforster2858 ปีที่แล้ว

      Still has the ford part number on it from 1968

    • @tombryant1104
      @tombryant1104 ปีที่แล้ว

      I've never seen any four bolt 302 in '68. What 289 used in '68(its last year) was same as 302(its first year).

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 ปีที่แล้ว

      Old engines were balanced 28 rear/28 front
      Newer engines (one piece oil seal) are balanced 50 rear/18 oz. front.
      If you have a 18 in place of 28 you might not notice it "much" but it's beating up the front main bearing by whipping the crankshaft like a jump rope.

  • @keithbroom43
    @keithbroom43 ปีที่แล้ว

    What would cause the vibration on a 1987 ford 302 and it has the 50 Oz harmonic balancer and the flexplate is 50 Oz and we changed harmonic balancer and changed flex plates again its a new blueprint reman 302

  • @johnhill484
    @johnhill484 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I recently bought a 1995 Ford Mustang with a 5.0 L how do I know what flywheel to put on it?

  • @DJ-hv4ju
    @DJ-hv4ju 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ford used a 28 oz. balancer on the 220,260, 289 windser engines, however in 1963, Ford built what was called the "Special" engine. This became known as the HIPO 289. This engine has a completely different balance from the standard 289/302 engine. The balancer was a 30.4 oz. unit. Also there was a small balancer behind the timing gear. and the engine had a nickel crankshaft and 3/8" rod bolts. ( the reason for the 30.4 balancer and flywheel which you can identify by a ground area with a hardness test mark. So, actually Ford made 3 differenct balances between 1962 and 1981.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      True. Good points

  • @daryllect6659
    @daryllect6659 ปีที่แล้ว

    Clear and concise-ish.

  • @davidgoodwin658
    @davidgoodwin658 ปีที่แล้ว

    I'm going to stick with the Fluid Damper that was on my 351C that I just purchased. The flywheel and crank flange has been marked so the engine must have been balanced???

  • @stephenhotzjustdriveit
    @stephenhotzjustdriveit ปีที่แล้ว

    Later 50oz explorer balancers had an intergrated crank pully with tone ring on it.

  • @hotrodray6802
    @hotrodray6802 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    🔔😎
    Dampers (balancers 😳) are to reduce torsional twist of the crankshaft as each piston fires. Like twisting your arm. The imbalance weight is to help the reciprocating balance by reducing the crankshaft counterweight's mass.
    The 50 oz crank does NOT have counterweights on the center journals ( edited... wrong...AND it is to be run with the 351 firing order only... Noted as wrong😁) These variations reduce the crankshaft center like whipping like a jump rope. The rotating vibrational and torsional harmonics of each type crank is very different, besides the imbalance weight. Not all 28 are the same.
    ALL 351s are 28 oz. though there are damper differences throughout the 351w applications.
    C and M are another story. 🤔

    • @tombryant1104
      @tombryant1104 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I guess no one told Ford, std output 5.0 in Crown Vic/Grand Marquis & the Fox T-Bird/Cougar used the std firing order of 15426378. I've owned models of all mentioned, none used the HO/351 13726548 firing order.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      Didn't want to get off into the details of what imbalance is, honestly that is being saved for a Short since it is a good topic generally.

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@tombryant1104
      Correct. I was thinking HOs.
      Thanks for noting.

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@AutoRestoMod
      It IS most important to understand that a 221/260 damper used on a 302/331/347 are both 28 oz/in imbalance.....
      BUT the torsional crank stress is totally different.
      You better be using what the crank requires....
      Or go aftermarket.
      THAT IS PRETTY IMPORTANT.

  • @user-cf6ys7kh6g
    @user-cf6ys7kh6g 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm work a 69/70 mustang with 351c engine ,it has 3 holes & no groves ?

  • @williamford6142
    @williamford6142 ปีที่แล้ว

    Veeeeerry interesting, now I have a headache.

  • @brucethoel3636
    @brucethoel3636 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The timing marks moved around too.

  • @mrau92me
    @mrau92me ปีที่แล้ว

    I have an 87 Mustang LX with 160k on it...only owner. I'm currently replacing the TC, TC cover, and the balancer while I'm there (still looks decent). What's with the small pin that's in one of the holes of the old balancer? My Haynes manual, which covers 78-93 model years, says to swap any pins from the old balancerto new one. The pin was not budging from the old one at all using a 5 lb sledge and punch, so I bought a cold rolled steel rod and made one using a hacksaw. Was this really necessary? I don't see how that little pin could make any difference.

  • @graybeardproductions2597
    @graybeardproductions2597 ปีที่แล้ว

    My 62 221 has an ODD 3 groove pully with a tiny balancer. Comes up to 28oz. But the flywheel doesn't have any key to clock it

  • @jamescannon4917
    @jamescannon4917 ปีที่แล้ว

    Which balancer is used on 66 an up 289 ford engines 2 varrel carb.

  • @gdelfs6942
    @gdelfs6942 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    You forgot to add early sbf had timing marks in different locations depending on lower radiator hose placement.....- and I have a Napa rebuild late 70’s 302 with a larger thicker balancer than normal? There are a lot of Ford “ish” isms ....

  • @JesusGonzalez-gp7iq
    @JesusGonzalez-gp7iq ปีที่แล้ว

    The harmonic balancer for the f 150 1996 5.8 Windsor can't find it in the auto parts whith the tone ring, o pulse ring whatever the name is can't get it is discontinued

  • @02powertube
    @02powertube 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Owning a new build 351w from 1969, would I need to change the harmonic pulley if installing a manual gearbox instead of the c4 automatic?. Is the trick to get a 69 flywheel for the manual?. Thanks, all the way from Denmark 👍👍

  • @classicstangbrn8964
    @classicstangbrn8964 ปีที่แล้ว

    I work on a 65 that has an E0 block that has a 50oz "80, also 50 oz blocks have one piece rear main seals. So ish is about right, lol.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      Ford did SO much of that it gives me a facial tic. Think this is bad? go order rear wheel cylinders for an F-Series.

  • @jerpazz1
    @jerpazz1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great vid ! Thanks for the clarification.
    Question:
    Are the flexplates the same (as in the balance weights) from the early 302 to the post 81-ish models ? I assembled an '87 5.0 ... that after watching your video has the correct 50 oz. balancer. I have a vibration at idle that seems slightly excessive but completely goes away at about 1500 rpm, so am wondering if I somehow have the incorrect year flexplate (?) because I built the final engine from 2 pre 80's 302's and 1 87 hydraulic roller motor.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      1981ish Ford went to a 50oz imbalance on the 302. 351 remained 28oz.

  • @williamrose8944
    @williamrose8944 ปีที่แล้ว

    I picked up a short block 302 , turns out it a 72 302 block with 289 hipo rotating assembly the balancer was off thick one . Question is there any other other balancers or gears that make the hipo , making sure I have all the parts?? Any info would be appreciated.

  • @alloutofbubblegum8165
    @alloutofbubblegum8165 ปีที่แล้ว

    Oh boy. Just like you i was trying to do some research on this one myself. Talk about confusing and frustrating. But not really in the way anyone is thinking.
    Here's what i was thinking.
    Late model 5.0 probably from a explorer. Remove the GT heads and replace with a mildly ported cast iron or off the shelf aluminum. Because the GT's don't fit a 66 mustang without some serious money headers (which i don't have) mind you i don't even have the funds for aluminum cylinder heads.
    OK well now we get to the meat of it. Keeping my original C4 but trying to locate a flexplate to fit the 5.0 was frustrating. Maybe i was missing something? But when was able to find something that might work holy moly the amount of money was expensive for it.
    A balancer for the 5.0 is available if you want to keep using the three bolt style, but once again it's kinda pricey.
    But i finally found what i was looking for and instead of $300-$400+ it's instead somewhere around $170, Much better.
    Sorry that i got off topic strictly a backyard car guy,
    but it does clear up small issue that i was wondering about.
    Thank you.

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 ปีที่แล้ว

      #1) Don't fall for the propaganda ... The headers for the P heads are no big deal. MOST Conventional headers need only minor denting to clear 2 spark plugs and then use shorter length sparkplugs. A heat sleeve over those 2 boots prevent wire burning. Install the headers, determine which plugs, put a 5/8 socket on an extension, heat the header tube with a torch, apply socket and dent tube for clearance. Like magic.👍
      2) flex plates are readily available for $50. You just need to find somebody that knows what you really want
      3) Damper applications are specific to crankshaft applications. Just because one fits doesn't mean it's torsional damping correct, even if it's the correct oz/in imbalance. Aftermarket is always better. $$
      I've seen mild 302s repeatedly break 3 factory dampers... Split them down the keyways... Yes they were well torqued, just wrong factory type dampers. Aftermarket cured it.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      Good point Ray.

  • @chevroletbelair1
    @chevroletbelair1 ปีที่แล้ว

    i'm having trouble with a new scat stroker engine that i put in a 289 with a Luk 451 flywheel(28OZ) and a harmonic balancer from dorman i think (i think its 28OZ) bu t i have vibrations when not driving just reving past 2000rpm . i have bought another 28OZ flywheel from pioneer and it still vibrates. can a dorman balancer been bad balanced and give me these vibrations? my engine runs on 8 cilinders5see this on the spark plugs) nice video thanks

  • @aroundlinemen
    @aroundlinemen ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Does the rubber go bad in all of them
    Is replacement different?

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Rubbers deteriorate regardless of brand name. $40 gets a new damper.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed

  • @kenpecora7526
    @kenpecora7526 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a 5.0L from a 2000 explorer to use in a '40 ford. I need to run just the water pump and alternator. Has anyone done this? I'm lost right now.

  • @jakelee1406
    @jakelee1406 ปีที่แล้ว

    If I buy 81 ish up 351w block w/50oz and buy an internally balanced crank... should I stll run the 50oz imbalanced flex and harmonic balancer. Do they internally balance to that imbalance? Thanks guys. All your videos are fun and educational!!!

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      50oz from front to back. Both the Harmonic and the Flex Plate or Flywheel need to be 50oz.

  • @user-wi8wv9tz2h
    @user-wi8wv9tz2h 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Not knowing what year the motor is. Will the casting numbers answer which weights are required. The motor come without either flywheel or balancer.

    • @mongrelmotorsports
      @mongrelmotorsports 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You should be able to determine roughly when the engine was made from them. "Ish"

  • @markwoten6679
    @markwoten6679 ปีที่แล้ว

    Funny!!! My 79 F150 302 after some engine tear down, I found it to have a 81 engine with a 50 oz vibration damper. It was verified by damper dudes.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup! Old vehicles get molested, changed and people will swear nothing is changed. But if that 1968 car got a
      1984 engine in 1986...the new engine is now 36 years old. And if driven, it will be well seasoned. I played the imbalance game in 1986 on a Cougar with a 5.0 HO. That was fun.

  • @elicochran3579
    @elicochran3579 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have a supposed to be 89 302 . The balancer i removed slide off . It measured 1.394" on the i.d . The crank measures 1.374" ish . I bought a new balancer from advance auto and it measures 1.974". Engine ran good . Help!

  • @lilorbielilorbie2496
    @lilorbielilorbie2496 ปีที่แล้ว

    Jeff since you brought up a 1985 5.0 .They did not have the same firing order as the early 289/302 did. They had a different camshaft. I wish I still had my 1985 Ford Mustang GT that I bought brand new.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      You are correct. That is another video!

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 ปีที่แล้ว

      Lightweight crank/ one piece seal and W firing order is good thing.
      But not cross compatible/ interchangeable.

    • @tombryant1104
      @tombryant1104 ปีที่แล้ว

      Std 5.0 up through 1991 used the original 15426378 firing order.

  • @jerrylemasters9269
    @jerrylemasters9269 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    with the transmission still in the car how dose one tell if you have a 28 or 50 oz c4 automatic flex plate I see the weight welded on? 157 tooth

    • @williamdillingham5781
      @williamdillingham5781 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The harmonic balancer is on the front of the engine

  • @scooter1391
    @scooter1391 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Ok here's one if you can answer it I bought a used 302 when I looked up the block it was 87ish but how do you know the crank year crank info SMW stamp/2MAE/20C That's all I could find thinking it's a 50 oz

  • @nicholasshort3309
    @nicholasshort3309 ปีที่แล้ว

    So if I have a 164 tooth flywheel
    What once balancer do I go with

  • @stevec326
    @stevec326 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I have a 302 from what appears the casting is e7te which looks like a truck 87 block. I'm pretty certain it's not a roller setup though, but I haven't confirmed yet. I am changing over to an AOD. This car had a 3 bolt pulley on it, so I always assumed it was a 28oz. Is it possible to setup an 87 block with 28 oz? I'm just wondering what I'm going to have to deal with here with the flywheel.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      According to our friends over at CVF Racing: The change over year is generally 1969 for passenger cars and 1977 for pick-up trucks and Broncos.

    • @stevec326
      @stevec326 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AutoRestoMod Thanks for the reply. I'm going to take the harmonic off to verify and compare based on the info in your videos to know for sure. I just don't know what they have done. I'll probably have to trade this 28oz flexplate for the 50oz

  • @donsmanufactory
    @donsmanufactory ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Good info:
    Don’t forget about the 289 hipo which had 50oz imbalance with that “pie shaped” plate behind the damper. Yeah, another “ish” added to the list.

    • @DJ-hv4ju
      @DJ-hv4ju 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      HIPO had a30.4 oz. imbalace, not 50 oz..

  • @tonystewart1917
    @tonystewart1917 ปีที่แล้ว

    will 3 bolt and early 4 bolt balancers interchange

  • @YoungGottii
    @YoungGottii 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey guys I’m running 90 5.0 motor in my 66 ford mustang it has to be 50 oz 3bolt crankshaft pulley damper also have to change your water pump an timing cover to a 66 order a new oil dipstick make sure u order a cut off plate for your mechanical fuel pump
    If your running a electric fuel pump like I am,
    also oil pan has to be from a 66 so it can clear steering leakage hope I can help any one u guys out 🤝 also Go to CJ pony ask for guy name Jerry he knows his stuff got me all hooked up I’ll post a video of mine once I’m done also, I’m running a four barrel carburetor part number is 1407 and running my edelbrock intake manifold part number is 2121 with a set of GT 40 P heads four bar also have Shorty headers. Can’t forget about that E303 cam as well. Also boarded out to a 308 stock crankshaft

  • @johncampoli8389
    @johncampoli8389 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hey man, always enjoyed your videos...and comedy.
    What are your thoughts on 347 balancing. Some say its not possible with stock 50 oz balancer and yet i have one in my Fairlane from an 84 Mustang.
    Tnx.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Well, then I guess it is. I prefer something like a Fluidampr for better balance control. It is what I plan to use in the '64 Falcon.

    • @johncampoli8389
      @johncampoli8389 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yes I plan on changing it for one of those as well. Even though it'll cost me close to a grand CND, it's worth it.

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Depends on who made the crank.

  • @JacobHunter-fq9jq
    @JacobHunter-fq9jq 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Dealing with this now lol

  • @blakeneysanders4264
    @blakeneysanders4264 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    is there a difference on the FEs

    • @stephenhotzjustdriveit
      @stephenhotzjustdriveit ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes some are internal balance (352, 360, 390, 427) others are external (428) not including FT series.

    • @blakeneysanders4264
      @blakeneysanders4264 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stephenhotzjustdriveit My 352 has a balancer on the crank or is that something different and I am confused

    • @stephenhotzjustdriveit
      @stephenhotzjustdriveit ปีที่แล้ว

      @@blakeneysanders4264 they will all have a balancer/dampner on them. Now if I remember right the 352 is internally balanced so your dampner on the front will be nuetrally balanced.

    • @blakeneysanders4264
      @blakeneysanders4264 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh okay thanks for the information on that, that's helpful.

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@stephenhotzjustdriveit Thank you for correctly calling it a damper.

  • @95Sn95
    @95Sn95 ปีที่แล้ว

    How bad would a 95 5.0HO vibrate if it had the 28oz? About 10 years ago When my 95 GT was my moms before she passed it had the harmonic dampener/Balancer replaced, on the original the outer ring became loose and was wobbling, I don't remember which one was installed the 28 or 50, It has a vibration at 4000ish up, it's not terrible but bad enough I avoid high revs. It's not rattling my teeth out but noticably not smooth that I know something is off. I'm a Chevy guy so Fords are a mystery to me.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      You would notice the imbalance pretty much across the board. It may have a driveline vibration. My 1990 did. I moved to an aluminum driveshaft and it mitigated it.

    • @95Sn95
      @95Sn95 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AutoRestoMod na I crawled in there looks like has the big notch so guess it's the 50oz. It's definitely in the engine or clutch it does it in neutral also. I'm lost, the bad balancer was really bad I crawled under it running on ramps looking for a short on main power wire and I looked up and it was wobbling bad I'd say one good high rpm buzz that outer ring would have flown off, fortunately the vibration made high revs undesirable. Wondering as a shit in dark if it did something like maybe hammered the front bearings causing the higher rpm vibration? Never heard of that but I'm doing shot in dark guesses. but it has great oil pressure... Guess it's yank it out time it has a bad rear main leaks bad over 4.5 quarts. Then I can change out the Pistons too to allow bigger valves I really want the AFR 185 or E street vs having to use 165s.or fly cut the reliefs rather not do it. Thanks for reply...✌️

  • @tonyleek4888
    @tonyleek4888 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey guys I am using a 1996 ford explorer 5.0 engines in my project
    My question is can I run a 1990 - 1993 mustang 5.0 harmic balancer because it is different
    From the explorer and what fly wheel do I need.
    I want to use the 90-93 front accessories if I can . thanks

  • @albertovasquez7858
    @albertovasquez7858 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can you do galaxie videos

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes. There are a few changes to the 390FEs too. And we'll jump back on the Galaxie next week.

  • @ajw6715
    @ajw6715 ปีที่แล้ว

    What is the difference in the balance of the std 1966 289 balancer and the 1966 289 hipo balancer?

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      The HiPo and indeed the Boss 302 harmonic ring is larger for greater damping effect at high RPM.

  • @miguelgarcia3178
    @miguelgarcia3178 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hey man my 96 f150 5.0 has the 4 ping harmonic balancer anf i guess they dont make them no more so what can i do

    • @miguelgarcia3178
      @miguelgarcia3178 ปีที่แล้ว

      So ot a regular harmonic with a star shaped thing on the back

  • @johnhennery8820
    @johnhennery8820 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thay also changed the fiering order on the 81 ish engens

  • @Ecosse57
    @Ecosse57 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    i have a '70 302 that i want to backdate to an earlier (ie 289) look. can i swap a three bolt balancer onto it? i figure yes but thought to ask y'all. i want to go with single groove pullies as well. any advice regarding this idea is very welcomed.

    • @tombryant1104
      @tombryant1104 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      When the change to four bolt balancer occured, Ford moved the timing pointer to passenger side(thus timing marks on four bolt will be incorrect). Water pump outlet moved to to driver side, requiring different pump. Alternator & P/S pump brackets also different and do not readily interchange. I've owned numerous '69 & '70 all were configured as stated. Only '70 three bolt I've seen are the GT 350 Shelbys that were reVINed as '70.

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes by using a 3 bolt 302 damper. Don't use a 289/260/221 dampers. Obviously all the accessories must match up.

    • @Ecosse57
      @Ecosse57 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hotrodray6802 ok, i wondered about that very thing.

    • @Ecosse57
      @Ecosse57 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@tombryant1104 thanks for the heads up. i wondered about the brackets.

  • @Rob9947
    @Rob9947 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Does the 260 and 289 and share the same balancer?
    Trying to find a replacement for my 63 galaxie with a 260 3 bolt). Dormans site only lists the 289 as fitment for their 594-269 part number balancer but it looks exactly the same as mine from the photos?

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yep.

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Maybe.
      At least the 221/260/early 5 bolt 289 are 28 oz/in flywheels.
      Don't know about the torsional damping because all 3 use the same crankshaft and rods... And piston weights.
      Things change with HIPOs and later.

  • @petermurgatroyd2002
    @petermurgatroyd2002 ปีที่แล้ว

    Bloody hell how confusing is this??
    Good job those. Thanks

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      Terrifyingly. Unlike GM, Ford changed stuff seemingly perpetually.

  • @hotrodray6802
    @hotrodray6802 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Just gotta mention it....
    The 28 and 50 oz/in balance is for the flywheel ends only.
    Actually the dampers themselves are NOT 28 or 50 but must coordinate to match each type crankshaft.
    Ive forgotten but one is like 16 and the other 24.
    THAT vibration diffrence is not as noticeable as the flywheel end mistake****
    Another reason to watch what you have.
    Ever see a Mopar expert put a 318 torque converter on a 360?
    Holy shxt. 😱😱😱

  • @ajw6715
    @ajw6715 ปีที่แล้ว

    And can they be interchanged?

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      The 260 is different, as is the 302.

  • @Scott.Newmaster
    @Scott.Newmaster ปีที่แล้ว

    Do I detect a little frustration? Maybe need a little rest?

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      It's called Fordstration. It makes me the kinda tired that rest can't fix. LOL

  • @Kirayamatoplay
    @Kirayamatoplay ปีที่แล้ว

    see i bin hearing different i heard 82 and newer was 28oz not a 50oz

  • @Richard4616
    @Richard4616 ปีที่แล้ว

    How do you know if you have to use the plate that’s between the engine and transmission? Bought a 302 ford engine that came from Jegs. Don’t have any paperwork.

    • @kennethstaszak9990
      @kennethstaszak9990 ปีที่แล้ว

      As far as I know there is always a separator plate. The style depends on whether it's an auto or manual trans. The auto trans has the access plate for tightening the converter bolts while the manual trans plate is solid at the bottom.

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 ปีที่แล้ว

      MANDATORY
      It holds the starter. 😳

    • @Richard4616
      @Richard4616 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Thanks

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      Keep this up Ray Imma make you and admin so you can answer these and allow me to drink my morning coffee in peace. 😄

    • @larrybralley1942
      @larrybralley1942 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      There are two different plates. You must use the plate that matches your bell housing. Your flywheel or your flex plate must match as well. The 164 tooth bell housing and spacer plate will have the nearest starter bolt farther away from the nearest bell housing bolt. In other words, if you have a 157 tooth ring flywheel or flex plate paired with a 164 bell housing and spacer plate, the starter drive gear will not engage with the ring. The starter will just spin.

  • @waynep343
    @waynep343 ปีที่แล้ว

    Windsor harmonic dampers could have 3 different sets of timing marks. Not all aftermarket dampers have all three sets.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Agreed.

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      EVERY damper, new or used, the timing mark should be verified by a piston stop.
      Why?
      What if the crank keyway is off a little... And the damper keyway is off a little... And the ring is off a little 🤔🤔🤔 There might be a 5* error in timing.... Even if the ring has not slipped. Hhhmmmmm.

  • @1Coolbanana
    @1Coolbanana 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    What about Cleveland?

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Aside from the Boss 351, 351HO and the 351Cobra Jet, the Cleveland stayed with the same twenty-eight ounce imbalance throughout the life of the engines.

    • @marceverard7149
      @marceverard7149 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@AutoRestoMod excellent, thank you

  • @jondavis7058
    @jondavis7058 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The last thing we need is an unbalanced Jeff Ford.

    • @413x398
      @413x398 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Too late.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      413x398 is right.

  • @Kakydanou
    @Kakydanou ปีที่แล้ว

    260's and 289's do not have the same balancers... And to add on, the 1962/3 260Ci (using 221 connecting rods) are 24.5 oz while the 1964 260's are 26.2 oz because Ford used the 289 rods. The earlier 289Ci used then 28oz balancing.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thanks for the clarification.

  • @williamguillIII
    @williamguillIII ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Mass confusion.....hehehe!

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I see what you did there!

  • @robertbray5735
    @robertbray5735 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Check your dipstick

    • @hotrodray6802
      @hotrodray6802 ปีที่แล้ว

      Feels good to me.

    • @AutoRestoMod
      @AutoRestoMod  ปีที่แล้ว

      I thought this was a family show. 😂😂😂

  • @RealWorldGarage
    @RealWorldGarage ปีที่แล้ว

    Clear as mud ISH!!! LOL

  • @RealWorldGarage
    @RealWorldGarage ปีที่แล้ว

    He doesn’t have a drinking problem YET!! Keep working on FORD with FORD it’s coming…….

  • @michaelwelch5392
    @michaelwelch5392 ปีที่แล้ว

    I want to add to your "ISSH" You forgot the 1st gen Ford Bronco V-8 it ran 3 bolt all the way till 1977

  • @jonathanclark6489
    @jonathanclark6489 ปีที่แล้ว

    102k EZ

  • @waynep343
    @waynep343 ปีที่แล้ว

    Ford went to a lighter weight crank with the 50 ounce imbalance.