Angel Talk || s3e10 "Dad"
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Who knew that "mysterious knowledge" guy in Buffy ep 1 would end up being "nervous new parent" guy
Lorne knew about the cameras because they were causing the humming he was hearing. The note likely told Angel about said cameras and to meet him in the janitor's closet so they could talk without W&H hearing them.
Correct.
My take on her having the baby is: She knew it was human so her death wouldn't necessarily kill the baby. There was this prophecy that they thought was about the baby not being born. So she did what she could to ensure the baby would be alive. When she realized how it could not make it since the situation was dire, she gave it a chance by suicide. I think she did out of love, not for herself but fully for the chance of saving her child.
I love how the stars align for you and this show so often. Like, you got to go through Willows breakup during a breakup and now, you have to deal with...Conner.
For Alley's edification:
"The Irish origin of Connor is traced to the Gaelic name Conchobhar, which means "lover of hounds." In Irish myths and legends, dogs are revered: They symbolize loyalty and are taken to be a sign of good luck. Anyone who's a lover of hounds embodies those characteristics."
Files & Records was Flo the progressive insurance lady
I just realized that 1 minutes ago while watching this video... and only from her voice.
Three babies played Connor, and one was named... Connor. Also an Irish name.
Is Editing Alley proud of manifesting a new name for Angel's son? That was impressive, especially decades after the fact like this. :)
I think in Dad it's only fair that Lorne is given a place to stay after his club keeps getting destroyed ever since he met Angel and his crew. Angel being so over protective of the child it becomes unnerving. Lilah talking to the girl in files and records is quite a funny scene at first, then we realise she is king of Automaton giving Lilah all the info on Holtz. It's almost like a metaphor for 'blood is thicker than water' when Angel it seems just leaves them all in the hotel putting his 'blood' family over his 'adopted' family. Wolfram and Heart of course have the place bugged with video as well. The teddy bear bomb a great scene in deceiving them all. Interesting when we get 'welcome Conor' , who for a while is possibly many fans most hated character in The Buffyverse! Nice final shot with the five walking away with Angel and the pushchair. Another really great S3 episode.
It was kind of this episode where I realized Wolfram and Hart are more funny than intimidating at this point. It was when Angel breaks into W+H for the millionth time and threatens the older lawyer guy. At this point, are they supposed to be threatening or something??
It's amazing right. Clearly Wolfram & Hart has a ton of supernatural and scientific powers at their disposal. Access to ancient prophecies and folks to translate them, powerful demons to do there bidding, influence in politics and organized crime, and yet...there security is so CRAP that there meeting are busted in on repeatedly! One would think they'd have more ways to keep this from happening. Literal fire walls. Two-headed hell hounds. Plagues of Locus in a jar. Something! LOL
Dear God, what did your ex do to you to hate the name so much? Do we get an Alley flashback?
There was no wifi then. Only dial-up.
@@ItsMeBarnaby What, that 'air' thingy that Apple presented to replace floppies?
For the initial question in this video (a minute in), I think everyone is overthinking Darla's blasé response to Holtz being around.
My take is that there is no great meaning to what she said, other than resignation.
She was probably just thinking, "Things can't possibly get any worse." On any other day, she would think it was insane that a human somehow time-skipped centuries and was still fixated on the sole purpose of revenge against her and Angel. But after all the weird and stressful events they just went through, Darla was probably resigned that the most unthinkable, terrible thing would "of course" happen.
So... Can we guess that Alley won't be one of the biggest Connor's fan ?
Connor has fans? 😂
So I don't know if you know, but Connor is a very very common Irish name as well as a pretty old one (like Liam)
I can get why you wouldn't be a fan of it but I've always really liked that Angel picked a name from his human past for the kid, just seems kinda wholesome to me
Darla's last words were "This child is the one good thing we ever did together. The only good thing. You make sure to tell him that"
This tells me that she felt the child would survive. She gave her life so that he would be born. For her, it was the only way to ensure his survival. Her first and only selfless act.
100%!
Also Darla mentioned that the baby was mystically protected, so she couldn't kill it or take it out during the pregnancy. That is a drawback when it is actually time to give birth, even if vampires/demons were actually physically capable to carry a human to term. Darla figured out the only way around that mystical protection. (And figured that it would work, otherwise it would have been meaningless to whatever higher power that caused the miracle.)
It was an interesting choice to turn a supernatural neo-noir detective series into a family sitcom.
Connor phase-shifted into a 'D' name by adding 1 to each letter yields a super-fun name -> Dpoops
Angel is Irish and so is the name Conor, hence his choice
Darla says it’s the perfect timing for holtz to be here for his revenge cause now darla and Angel both have soul so they can actually feel guilty about what they done to him…if they were soulless , they would’ve just laughed at him.
I remember watching this on Patreon shortly after I joined (for OMWF) and thinking , "Well at least Alley will be relieved when they give Connor a new name." ... 😈
I felt the same way when Dawn was introduced on Buffy. Of all the names that could have been picked Joss had to pick the name of my crazy thieving ex.😤
And don’t worry, Connor is spelled with two n’s.
'Files & records" woman is a comic who is known for being "Flo" in progressive commercials
"Imagine if they add the baby to the credits" not until next season.
(Not a spoiler because she's already almost through Angel season 5 on Patreon.)
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I don’t quite understand Darla having to stake herself to have the baby (in terms of her body not sustaining the human baby and it looking like she’s going to lose the baby). I understand why Darla would be upset by the idea of not caring about her child once she gives birth, but her body was already going through extreme physical changes to accommodate for the baby, so why would giving birth be different? I feel like she should have physically been able to give birth without issue.
I think it's like Angel not being able to revive Buffy at the end of Buffy S1. They always say that 'vampires don't breathe' but they do circulate the air, that's how they're able to smoke; Angel could've taken air and blown it into Buffy like a machine.
But it seems (to me that) these vampires cannot give Life. The baby was ready to be born, Darla´s body was ready to give birth, and then it stopped because whatever mystical reason they're using. And before that the plot makes sure to mention that a C-section wasn't an option either.
Angel is father of the year. He always loves Connor regardless much more.
According to Buffy The Vampire Slayer The Watcher's Guide book, Angel's real name before he turned into legendary most sadistic ruthless vampire Angelus is Liam O'Malley.
Connor will have last name O'Malley.
Can't believe nobody knows what's Angel's full real name.
Cordelia Chase is surrogate mom of Connor. She's closest thing to Connor he have as mom after he lost his biological mother Darla died sacrifice herself for him when he was born in November 19, 2001.
Team Cangel. I'm big major fan of Angel and Cordelia's endgame.
Connor have two moms in his life is his biological mother Darla and surrogate mom Cordelia Chase.
I feel sorry for Connor that he lost his biological mother Darla when he was born.
Did you just imply that ONLY the mother's touch and interaction is important to a baby's development? Way to diss every single father in existence.
My husband wanted too call are son Connor but it ended up being Lucas 😂 .
Flo from progressive is records lady at wolfram and hart
So, I gather it was an amicable break up and you are still great friends. 😁
Connor is an irish name angel is Irish
Whenever they say Connor on the show just replace it with another name in your head, like Steven or something.
Hey, Alley, I was just wondering if you'll be reacting to Charmed (the original) after Angel or Dollhouse? Charisma is in at least one episode. I also remembered that I saw a clip of Charisma and James Masters having a marital spat in a Supernatural episode and yet I don't remember you saying anything when they showed up in Buffy? Were they so much younger that it just didn't click?
29:18 Lorne was able to hear the cameras.
it is Connor with 2 n's.
The people I would trust to help raise a baby are people that have prior experience being around babies. Of the team, only Gunn has a younger sibling that we know of.
But I'm afraid Hollywood writers often have too little experience themselves with raising babies, so we get continued tropes and sacrificing accuracy for gag lines. Cordelia, motherly? Based on reading books? I pity the poor kid, and that's before he goes to school saying he's being raised by three dads, two moms, and an uncle, two (three?) of them demons. And a godfather. (Not to knock on Wood, or leave him out...)
Connor = 2 Ns and an O
Still not sure why the writers picked Connor, other than it's an Irish name. It's not like they've established that Liam's father was named Connor, or one of his friends. Maybe one of them also had an ex named Connor, and decided, "That's what we'll name this offspring of two demons."
"That's a lovely name."
[No it's Not].
How did she know all that? She's Flo from Progressive.
You can call the baby Steve instead or something.
To be fair, this Conner was probably born before your ex. So, loophole 🤔🤷♂️
I was always thinking that, Justine was the other slayer after Buffy died in season 5
Buffy's death didn't activate any other slayers and she clearly doesn't have powers.
@@godmagnus maybe she could've been a potential slayer from season 7
Of course she did it so the baby would survive. She told Angel to tell him he was the only good thing they'd done together. In the quote right behind you.
I really think you'd like the Supernatural spinoff The Winchesters and should cover it. It's got more of a Buffy vibe.
The cage labels were visible in the previous episode, too.
Oh no! Sorry you had to associate Connor's name with bad experiences on top of everything else. Your reactions to Season 4 are only on Patreon so far, but I have a feeling you won't like him. It must have given you false hope when he went by "Stephen" for a while.
I guess Angel just picked Connor because it's an Irish name.
The ringing in Lorne's ears was from W&H's bugs, and he noticed the janitor's closet was the only place without.
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You don't like Connor? How about Steven? Steven's a nice name.
Flame thrower wesley is almost as good as chainsaw giles!!
Oh, poor Alley. That's how I react to my ex-wife's name: with immediate dislike.
If you refuse to call him Connor, what would you prefer? Steven?
She thinks she is just going to hate this kid because of his name... Sure, let's go with that.
😂 I know
🤣🤣
I always think of 'Connor MacLeod' the Highlander in the Highlander series. It's just a name. :D
of the clan MacLeod
Angel wanted an Irish name. That's why "Connor". I'm sure they knew nothing about your "ex". LOL I also wondered about the explosives. I think he just used a small explosive to set off a bunch of explosive material stored on that site.
I 'm not sure I understand what she as against the name Connor?
Angel is Irish... figure it out.
conner is the worst. but ends up good.
??? spoilers???
@@ItsMeBarnaby pretty sure shes finished the season on patron
Yeah pretty sure she’s way ahead
People usually take a little longer to get annoyed with the baby.