PS2 Video Output Misconceptions & How To Improve Image Quality - theaffroshow
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ค. 2024
- In today's video, I discuss the misconceptions people have about the PS2's video output, the issues with deinterlacing standard PS2 Video & I also explain the differences between four video cable types:
Composite
S-Video
RGB SCART
Component
If you are having issues with PS2 video output or simply trying to get it to display on a modern display, this is the video for you!
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Chapters
0:00 - I've Had A PS2 For 22 Years
0:39 - Trying To Answer Video Misconceptions
1:07 - Brief History With PS2 & CRT TVs & Cable Types
2:56 - Composite Explained
4:24 - S-Video Explained
5:12 - RGB SCART Explained
6:42 - Component Explained
8:13 - System Configuration Warning
9:23 - PAL PS2 Games Got 480p Support BUT
10:11 - How To Access 480P Or 60hz In Selected Titles
11:32 - PS2 Using Interlaced Video & What To Do With Deinterlacing
14:09 - Using FreeMCBoot To Boost Output Resolutions
15:18 - Aspect Ratios Are Worth Considering
16:20 - Always Try To Buy Good Video Cables
17:30 - Conclusion
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This is a video I've wanted to make for ages! I hope it helps you get the best out of your PS2!
A point I did not make in the video was the flicker filter settings which some games called it anti aliasing!
This will put a blur or bilinear filter on the screen & it will reduce image sharpness! If the game looks blurrier than normal, check the options in the game you are playing to see if this feature is turned on! Turn it off & the image will look sharper!
I've also seen it dubbed as soft (flicker filter on) or sharp (flicker filter off) Silent Hill 3 & Tekken 5 are examples of this! The feature might be hidden as it is in Silent Hill 3!
Hope this helps improve your PS2 video output!
I've got the expensive Sony Ps3 cables that for the ps2 slim and using GSM in 1080p is absolutely phenomenal picture! Only got that cable for £6 like 10 years ago its worth over £200 now 😂
A very lucky purchase there & glad you are taking full advantage of it :)
RGB SCART also supports 1080i albeit with RGsB on PS2 consoles :)
Great video! It’s been almost 15 years since I last played PS2, but getting back into it has been great. There’s so much support videos out there to make the gaming experience so much better. Thanks!
Retro gaming has really ballooned up in the past 8 years & now knowledge of the consoles, their capabilities, changing Displays & modding systems along with the Internet & TH-cam has made returning to these platforms easier than ever before!
The great thing about the PS2 is that the RGB SCART connection can do 480p (progressive scan) via sync on green compatible monitors, not just component, both the OSSC and the retrotink 4k can do sync on green. Sadly the only PAL games I know that do progressive scan are Project Zero 3 and Tekken 4, sadly the PAL version of Tekken 5 only gave you the option to choose from 50hz and 60hz video.
4:3 is also the best picture quality compared to 16:9 anamorphic since they both share the same horizontal resolution. Just 16:9 stretches it out.
There's quite a few games I own which are PAL for PS2 that have 480p progressive scan support :)
I count I have about roughly 15 PAL games with the support:)
It is great more people are finding ways to get RGB SCART to work at 480p now :)
Yes, not many games had a good implementation of 16:9 during the 6th generation so 4:3 should be used more!
then its not so great afterall
@kidrobot. It's just the nature of the PS2, just use the correct aspect ratio for the game :)
Good video. One thing you didn't mention was the lag on TV component inputs. Even if your TV supports component inputs, you will have less lag if you use a cheap component to HDMI converter and go through the HDMI port.
I've personally never had any lag from Component or any input, I actually got lag from those cheap converters on my personal TV :)
Everyone's TVs or displays are different, I know one TV I used where playing games was impossible using HDMI as there was 6 seconds of lag, no joke!
@@TheAffroShowGameplay I got this advice from RetroRGB who did testing on a lot of flat panel TVs. It seems to work well for me.
@tristanheron4144 I know the channel, I watch him a lot :)
I don't disagree with his findings but for me I've had good success with my devices :)
Buy once Retrothink 4K and cry once. And never cry anymore.
Sadly the cost is huge & most will never buy it, as good as it as :)
I'd rather get the 5x & even then it's still expensive!
The OSSC or other Retrotink products are good alternatives for most people:)
Just looked it up ... Yeah, no. HD retro vision component cables work well enough for me and my 1080 TV has good 4:3 scaling and deinterlacing.
Or just buy the hdmi mod it looks better
@@dxtremecaliber hdmi mod for one system or for all because retrothink 4K you can connect everything
@dxtremecaliber I'll stick with what I have :) No issue with it :)
An awesome video mate 😄👍👍 I very recently started using a PS2 with official Sony PS3 era Component cable for the first time ever and the difference between that and the standardised Composite cable is definitely a major step up in terms of overall picture clarity and quality. 🎮📀
The difference is gigantic:)
It seems a lot of people have still stuck with Composite after all these years so, videos like this need to be made so those who simply do not know can see you can indeed improve video quality on older consoles :)
8:53 for the PS3, a solution to this problem is to power up the console via the power button (not the controller) but hold it until it beeps a second time. It will reset the video settings from hdmi/other to RCA cable. In case you want hdmi but the previous hdmi setting doesn't work for you, the first question that pops up in SD mode is "we found a hdmi unit, do you want to use it?", and all you need to do, in blind, is to just press X and it will auto set to hdmi instead, making the image visible again.
I remember reading something similar on Google about two months ago, proved to be so helpful & thank you for posting the solution here :)
not sure if its precisely intentional or not but i like the color grading of your videos, it looks actually natural
It's definitely intentional :)
I've since made a new colour grade which still looks natural but has better saturation without going over the top :)
I love colour grading & since I got my new camera (Sony A7C) I can do so much more now :)
I love how knowledagble you are with all these topics! I would never really watch any kind of videos like these, but you make it interesting and entertaining to watch! I sadly never owned a PS2, but eventually bought myself a PS4, but I lost it to someone in the past. My brother thankfully gave me his PS4 so I could still play games thankfully :D
It is something that has interested me for years & especially with PAL systems, this aspect is not well documented!
I feel someone needs to put it out there & I'm glad it is me :)
I never owned the PS4 myself but I have the PS5 😁😁
@@TheAffroShowGameplay Oh wow, is the PS5 any good? I hope to one day get one myself :)
@kimshaw1988 I've had it since launch in the UK :) So going on four years this November & definitely! I love it & its Dualsense Controller 😁😁
This is the best Video I have seen so far on the subject. Thanks a lot !
Glad I could help you & any time 😊
Good video bro. I like how you speak too very easy to understand an you take your time explaining stuff. Very nice bro. Your information helpd me
Glad I was able to help & I appreciate the kind words :D
modern liquid crystal TVs have problems with interlacing because the pixels remain lit until the next input; in CRTs if you see a slow motion you will notice that they disappear almost immediately.
This is why I use the OSSC to deinterlace instead, much better than the TV I use :)
Incredible info in this video!!!
Anything to help others, I was in the same spot some years ago, hope this helps :)
Great informative video. I currently have my PS2 slim plugged in using the PS3 Component cables to a G Comp Switch with one Component out going to a Crt and the other to an HD Tv that way depending what Resolution the particular PS2 game supports and or/if it support Widescreen, I can decide which TV to use. I also have the HD Tv on a Swivel Mount for Tate games that the PS2 have. I’ll never forget that first time I went from Composite to those Component cables, it was night and day.
@gametourny4ever627 Sounds like a setup getting the best of both worlds & glad you are enjoying Component cables, a great choice for PS2 video output :)
I never used the composite cable, always RGB-Scart. The PS3 had the composite indeed
@@dutchgamer842 I switched from Composite to RGB SCART in 2005 & also had Component in 2006, never looked back :)
For me the best option is undoubtedly RGB on CRT, that's where the PS2 shines, honestly I've never been interested in upscalers because you might as well use an emulator if you want to go up in resolution at 0 cost. Another option I have had the opportunity to test in recent years is the VGA output of the PS2, but which is limited by the low compatibility of games (officially it can only be used with the Linux Kit) and by finding a CRT monitor - I don't take LCDs into consideration 😆- that is compatible with the RGsB signal. I modified a PS2 to have an RGBHV signal when in VGA mode to be able to use it with my monitor and it's simply beautiful! 😍
I love emulation & I do enjoy my OSSC upscaler, it is now vital because new tvs no longer have analogue inputs & without the upscaler I couldn't play my real hardware :)
I have heard about the VGA on PS2 but those kits are so rare & only found a listing once on Ebay xD
I personally love my 4K display with the OSSC because the upscaler helps the games to look good & it is my first time experiencing 480p supported games :)
Ultimately this is my opinion however, because your CRT supports RGB, the image must be amazing! Definitely well ahead of Composite!
Watching the unknown FMV on Tekken Tag Tournament through RGB on a CRT TV... Now that is a religious experience. I can not imagine how mind blowing it was seeing that in 2000.
RGB-Scart on a Sony 100hz Trinitron, with no hideous scanlines
I still have a SD CRT, but PS2 games look way too soft on it, especially when connected with an RGB scart cable, because most SD CRTs disable the sharpening filters when using RGB input. PS2 looks much better and sharper on PVM and CRT monitors, but these are relatively small (screen size) and big at the same time (even a 17" CRT is quite big and heavy).
Fortunately, it's now possible to emulate CRT phosphor masks on modern high-resolution displays, and the results are stunning, giving you PVM-like sharpness on a much larger screen. For example I can barely read anything when I open the map in san andreas on the SD CRT. Same game, same resolution with phosphor filter on LCD and I can read everything easily. The difference in sharpness and clarity is so great that 480i almost looks like an upscaled image on the SD CRT, and HD like on modern high resolution LCD.
You could argue that LCD is no match for CRT when it comes to picture quality aspect (contrast, colors, blacks and especially motion clarity), but 4K QD OLED delivers CRT-like picture quality :).
I had to spend some time configuring the CRT masks, but now I'm so happy with the results that I don't even want to play PS2 games on my SD CRT anymore. It's crazy how good PS2 games (480i/p) look on my PC monitor thanks to the CRT phosphor mask, the image is clean and sharp (native like). Without the phosphor mask, 480i/480p upscaled to 4K looks terrible, and that's the only reason so many people kept their CRTs for so long, but now CRT phosphor emulation changed everything.
@@TheAffroShowGameplay There is no noticeable difference in picture quality between SCART RGB and Component on the PS2, since PS2 games run in limited RGB anyway, and your TV can convert YPbPr to limited RGB LOSSLESSLY. There is no advantage to using SCART RGB, in fact most TVs that have both inputs will probably work better with the Component input, as the SCART RGB input on LCDs was usually very poor and only included for compatibility reasons. For example, 480i looks much better on my old Sony W705 LCD when I use component. The same 480i looks much less defined and worse overall when I use scart RGB. On my Panasonic GT60 plasma (which has very good Scart RGB processing) the picture quality looks the same on both inputs.
Loving the Smackdown 1 music
@@HarlotEffect I love it & the 2nd game :)
Ps2 component cable are super easy to find because of the ps3 cable are way more commun !!!
But, the quality is the important part & most are cheap & badly made, this has to be at the forefront when choosing cables :)
The good thing about component cables is that you can play a DVD with no having swap back to composite, no green screen looks great 👍
@@stevenwoods8330 Actually, with RGB SCART it also works but you need a device or display that Supports RGsB :)
Which one of these cable options would you prefer for recording PS2 gameplay? Also which one(s) work best together with capture cards, like the one from Elgato? Thank you!
I personally own an Elgato HD60s Plus, which all the gameplay footage from the OSSC was recorded onto :)
The other upscaler was an Retroscaler 2x, used when I showed off S-Video & Composite:)
In terms of video quality from the PS2, RGB SCART or Component are the best although S-Video is a good shout as well :)
If a game has 480p support, using Component or RGB SCART with an RGsB supported upscaler (Like OSSC) or display will work nicely:)
After that, the upscaler you use will be a factor if you need one, like myself as I have no analogue inputs on my TV or displays :)
A good starting one would be the Retrotink 2x or the Retroscaler x2, a knock off product :)
The OSSC I use is more expensive but a fantastic upscaler that can upres the lower resolution output by quite a bit :)
Hope this helps! Also, I highly recommend using OBS for recording as it is flexible & can see many odd resolutions outputs unlike Elgato's own software!
There is definitely alot of mileage to be found from forcing 480p or1080i on games through either Xploder HDTV Player or GS Mode Selector. I would advise doing that, and pairing up the system with a high quality video scaler (i.e. Mike Chi's RetroTink 5X Pro), since that'll give you additional picture control, including further scaling options, besides other niceties like scanlines and masks.
Don't forget most people will never do these things unlike us & sadly the Tink 5x is very expensive so the OSSC I use is a worthwhile alternative:)
GS mode selector is great when it works & I know it was updated a few years ago but it's not an absolute fix :) Also there's still not much choice on the PAL games that don't support 60hz, GS mode selector still only offers 576p for PAL 50hz titles, bit limiting!
Oh I forgot there’s full option too in the game so any difference with 16:9?
I've got pretty much every cable possible for the PS2! I bought an S-Video cable back in the early 2000's (can't remember where from, but I don't think I imported it and it was way before Amazon was a thing here, so don't know how I got one). On a CRT it really is the best option, it made the games really come to life. Don't know what it'd be like on a HDTV as I don't think I have one on any of the telly's in the house, might check the Bravia later if I remember. Official Sony component works well enough on my 32" upstairs TV, but I expect it'd break down on the bigger one downstairs. I did buy a kit some years ago that has a component set (didn't need it!) and some DVD that was supposed to upscale the picture, but that was useless. Still, now I have two component cables! I don't know if we'll ever really get to a point where PS2 looks as good on HDTV as it did on CRT.
A lot of people seem to have S-Video cables, which is very interesting! From the UK, this cable was not common & Composite or SCART were our dominant cable types :)
A lot of people seem keen on CRT & I'm lucky to have the OSSC upscaler which helps my retro games remain nice on even 4K displays but I do understand why many people say CRTs are best :)
I'll always prefer HDTVs but that's just me :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay Ah, sorry, I meant in the past tense, I no longer have a CRT. I kept my 32" Panasonic I got in 2003 all the way up to 2012, but I had to let it go (for free! Argh!) because we had to move into a smaller house and I couldn't take it with me. 😭 Now I have a 32" JVC HDTV. I was just remissing on the "Good old days tm". 😁
I'm in the UK, no idea how I got the cable. Might have imported it from Amazon US as I used to buy a lot from there back then.
I have a really interesting cable that does composite and component (it has 6 cables) so I can compare quality of component (or make sure it’s functioning properly) in real time and it as always makes me shake my head as to how many people think the PS2 is that blurry image
It cost me around 30-40 USD
Sadly people Composite more than everything so once they see RGB SCART & Component, the they think something is wrong xD
@@TheAffroShowGameplay I was at this retro store and they had consoles going back to the NES and they had a section for the PS2 with a TV displaying a few game demos. The thing was is it was using composite instead of component and it just made me wanna complain but I knew it would be a waste of time because barely any customer would realize it nor would notice it on one singular display
@kadebass6187 I see this a lot when I visit retro games stores with games on Display & will always use Composite on every console outside of HDMI support consoles xD
Just cheap and easy to do xD
Great piece of information in this video. I owned PS2 years ago and sold it. I have found silver, fat one for £30 on carboot sale yesterday and I'm coming back to old games now. I have component mini input in my tv. Will I loose any video quality if i use component to component mini adapter? It's hard to find any information online specific to this subject. Cheers.
Unfortunately I actually do not know about this, if it is a passthrough adapter I assume you wouldn't but I cannot say for sure :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay no worries, I'll have to test it myself.
I have the official S-Video psone cable from Japan in 2019, image is very good.
It works quite well on the PS2.
If the game doesn't utilise 480p Via RGB or Component, S-Video is a good way to play PS1 or PS2 games on the PS2 :) I like using it but it is difficult when my OSSC doesn't have an S-Video port so I always use RGB :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay
I regret not buying an original component cable in the 2000s era .
I would have had a good cable!
@sithounetsith9877 RGB SCART is cheaper & the quality is the same, it is an alternative that's worth looking for, especially from Retro Gaming Cables :)
Thank God for the RetroTink products!! And I haven't even touched "sync on green" which the PS2 is famous for now....
@@1xjohncenax1 They are very good for the price & Sync On Green is only a concern if you want 480p Via RGB SCART instead of Component 😊
I have a modern monitor. Would you suggest component cable into an hdmi converter and the hdmi cable into the monitor? Or would you suggest another way? Thanks
You could do this, but this means your monitor has to deinterlace 480i/576i for most PS2 games & if it can, the experience using a good component cable should work :)
If not, get an upscaler like the Retrotink 2x, Retroscaler 2x or a RAD2x cable :)
The OSSC I use is also recommended!
Thank you for the reply. How can I find out if my monitor can deinterlace? I'm a bit new to all this 😅
If it's a TV the display will automatically do it as it has one built in :)
As for monitors I assume the same thing would happen but if not, you'd either need to use software like OBS which has several options (Yadif 2x I'd recommend or Retro which is bob deinterlacing) :)
Or perhaps video players like QuickTime which can double as video input solutions might have this too although OBS is more flexible :)
Awesome video like always mate! i just got an old lg tv from 2005 and it comes with two scarts inputs. im looking now to buy a good scart to try for my ps1/ps2. ive read something about them having to be sync on luma? at least for the ps2, ps1 seems to be ok with any scart cable. i own the amazing odv upsacaller thanks to you of course but now with this old tv i much prefer to play retro consoles there! im on the hunt for a sega saturn! i know that uses s-video. i will keep posted! take care mate!
I'm glad I hope you enjoy the experience:)
Actually no, a good scart cable can be sync on Composite too (The Sony Official RGB SCART Cable seen in this video has that) but if you are looking for a new cheap great SCART cable, Retro Gaming Cables has them & yes those are sync on luma :)
They will have one for PS1 & PS2 since PS2 cables require capacitors within the cable to look their best :)
I love the Sega Saturn, one of my favourite consoles & that also supports RGB SCART cables as well :) Definitely recommend S-Video or RGB for that system!
@@TheAffroShowGameplay awesome thanx for replying so fast! i will listen to your advice and NOT get a cheap scart from aliexpress i will buy the one on Retro Gaming Cables. i saw your sega saturn vid and i thought that s video looked incredible on the sega saturn. i will write you as soon as i have my saturn. always wanted one but my dad got me a ps1 instead :) love your vids i keep coming back! this old tv i got is amazing, 2 scarts,1 component,1 rgb,1 svideo and even 1 vga input is increidlbe!!. take care mate!!
I look forward to the update but, I do strongly suggest getting SCART for the Saturn as quality S-Video cables are hard to find but quality SCART cables are easy :D
@@TheAffroShowGameplay i had no idea! thank you overy much for the tip! i wil try to get a scart as first choice for the saturn! have a good weekend!
Can I buy a rgb scart
Cable for my crt tv or is it best to stick with composite? This is mainly for my ps1
RGB SCART would look incredible on a CRT, but it is up to you :)
Composite is decent & a normal choice, but RGB would look fantastic on it :)
Just giving my tips here, Scart RGB is the best connection for PS2, because it is how video is processed internally by the PS2, when choosing Y/Pb/Pr for component video the PS2 needs to convert it's RGB signal to component and there is always a loss in this process. But like you said, you need a true PS2 RGB to see the benefits. And for component cables, oficial or good brand ones is a must, i have cut opened a generic and man, it's so trash made that I don't even know how it even works. All things said, your video is very good and informative without the errors commonly done by pseudo experts here on YT, I will just add more insight on what GSM do, which is internal upscale, it doesn't increase the game resolution, it just force the game to output in your choosen signal and by doing it forcing interlaced games to output in progressive modes like 480p, 720p, 1080i and 1080p, so you don't need a external upscaler like OSSC that you are using in this video, 480p being the most compatible of all options as it mostly act as a line doubler/line 2x.
Thank you for the comment & for adding clarity:)
However, please bear in mind that the OSSC's line 2x mode is very sharp with 480p & while GS mode selector is great, not every game works with it, so it's not a perfect solution:)
Plus, making 480p get a 2x scale to 960p is amazing via the OSSC:) 1080i is interesting but I'll take progressive scan anyday :)
I'm glad regardless I can shed true light of the PS2's video output & put some misconceptions to bed :)
You get a sharper image using component over scart here in the US. I have a retro tink and I get a softer image using scart can't do progressive with it.
@TheSocialGamer Very Interesting as both will give the same image quality as long as the cable is good :)
Which Retrotink model do you use?
My OSSC allows 480p Via RGB because it supports RGsB which is needed when the PS2 displays 480p over SCART:)
Quality cables are a must too, again, RGB SCART cables not made specifically for the PS2 can also have negative image quality output :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay You are right, there is no comparisson between OSSC and GSM, but forcing 480p via GSM with OSSC Line 2x give a much better result than using OSSC's deinterlacing for example, and like I said, 480p is the more compatible GSM mode, which is what I recommend for everyone. There is another method, a boot disc called Xploder HDTV Player that came much before GSM, but it's less compatible than GSM and only 480p is full screen, other modes have black bars.
@ZinhoMegaman I think your point here is spot on & while 480p is absolutely better than 480i, sadly you have to sometimes accept interlaced video as not every PS2 game will work with forced 480p:)
But when it works, the difference is worthwhile ☺️
I use a Sony gold plated composite cable plugged into an older Samsung flatscreen gets the max 480i. I play all my ps2 games on that and the image is as good as it gets
Composite is not the best, RGB SCART or Component cables are the best in terms of fidelity but, if you like how Composite looks on your display, keep using it but for me, RGB SCART & the OSSC is my choice :)
I use an HD Retrovision component cable and an OSSC, granted the cost for both is about 190 quid but the picture quality is fantastic.. well as fantastic as you can make the PS2's crappy video signal look anyway.. also one thing I think you missed, in order to get widescreen you need to set the console to 16:9 in the system config menu as some games don't have a widescreen setting in their options and instead look to the system settings and automatically enable widescreen otherwise you'll end up with a stretched 4:3 image.. the Race Driver games automatically set widescreen as an example
@waynehickman8317 It is a great combination & while I love RGB SCART, Component is excellent too :)
Yes I did miss that, thank you for bring it up, most people overlook this!
What if my crt has component, svideo but doesn't support 480p, which should i use?
If 480p is not supported, use Component as that has higher image quality than S-Video :)
Good vid. Ps2 is a funny one. Like a few watching this i have numerous rgb scart cables from a well known uk company. My other systems rgb scart cables through a retrotink 2x scart to modern tv, flawless. Set up the ps2 the same way and theres some minor flickering top and bottom of image. Grr. Only way to fix I’ve found is to take the tv out of ‘game’ mode which creates so much lag games are not fun.
It sounds like the overscan area that CRTs had & of course using HDMI TVs see it differently:)
Funnily enough, on my OSSC, I do not have this problem on the PS2 using my 4K TV buy I've seen it crop up on original XBOX, odd indeed!
PS2 Collector - The image is too blurry, how do I make it sharper?
Atari/Commodore Collector - The image is too sharp, how do I make it blurrier?
@@lurkerrekrul Welcome to the world of retro gaming video output importance xD
I still have a SD CRT and real PS2 hardware for sentimental reasons, but these old PS2 games run and look better on the emulator and modern display. I played "black" at 60fps on the PCSX2 emulator and it was a much better experience (aiming at 30fps on the real PS2 feels laggy). Also, the CRT phosphor mask (I recommend guestHD CRT mask) allows me to get way more detailed and sharper image (PVM-like picture quality) compares to standard SD CRTs. For example, on my SD CRT I can barely read anything on the GTA SA map. On my LCD monitor however everything is perfectly readable despite the same 480i resolution. I always thought PS2 games looked best on my SD CRT, but I just wasnt aware of how much detail I was missing because of that extreme CRT blur.
Goes to show how both old & modern technologies can be beneficial & not always clear cut as to which one should be used in 2024 :)
Ultimately I'm happy with my OSSC setup to my Macbook & capture card & it is a joy to play real hardware!
Emulation is amazing & I use PCSX2 often on my Steam Deck 😊
@TheAffroShowGameplay OSSC will give you perfect sharpness on modern displays, but I'm not a fan of this upscaler because it makes the pixels look like big squares (it increases pixelation). To the human eye, glowing subpixels never appear as squares, but rather blend into something that looks rounded. The CRT phosphor mask turn upscaled square pixels into round pixels again, so it's like looking at native image. The same 480i will look much less pixelated without losing sharpness. Just imagine your OSSC output without pixelation.
On PC people can use emulators with reshade (+ guesthd crt phosphor mask optimized for 640x480 resolution with sony aperture grille mask in the shader parameters) to get that PVM like picture quality in PS2 games, but on a real PS2 hardware only expensive retrotink 4K upscaler is able simulate CRT / PVM phosphor mask. In fact, Retrotink 4K CRT masks are even better compared to the guest CRT shader (Reshade), because Retrotink also has HDR, so you can have CRT phosphor mask at 100% opacity allowing you to get perfect image without blown out colors / contrast. Retroarch on PC also has HDR shaders, but it's PS2 core is not as good at emulating PS2 games as PCSX2, therefore I'm using guestHD crtmask. I have spend some time do adjust colors and contrast, but now I'm 100% happy with the results.
I play everything through PCSX2 these days because I got tired of manually adjusting every game, reformatting corrupted hard drives and stuff
But I occasionally plugged it back in to record something and felt using an emulator was too lazy haha, So I personally used an Elgato GCHD from PS3 era, plugged in the official component into it(don't get sucked like me, buy the HD Retrovision component it's just as good) then I use VLC and apply Yadif 2x deinterlacing and then add some sharpness and compress + stretched then sharpened blah blah blah until the dithering became unnoticeable. Man GTA SA is the hardest game in the world to capture xD
@ross3695_basedhax I actually don't mind the dithering & quite a few PS2 games used it :)
It is definitely tough to capture interlaced PS2 games but, I personally love the look & the games too :)
Everyone has a different opinion but I wouldn't change the look of the PS2 graphics, just wished 480p native support was more widespread 😁
@@TheAffroShowGameplay It just doesn't look nice on YT because compression, and most people aren't really used to it anymore
@ross3695_basedhax I always say watch my videos in 4K & I feel when done properly, it can still look good :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay I always watch stuff in the highest quality I appreciate when people put in that extra effort!
I go for highest my PC can handle, I struggle with 4k lol but I recorded lossless
@ross3695_basedhax I definitely do because I want people to see what I see in person 😁😁
Appreciate the kindness :)
honestly if ps2 had had forced 480p mode ,every ps2 game would look amazing and i think most game
@wingedhussar1453 You can force 480p with Free MCBoot but not every game look using it :)
I do wish more PS2 games had it internally :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay such as tekken 5 .the 480p progressive scan looks so much better.idk why every game does not have it
@wingedhussar1453 Sadly there's no clear answer but back then most TV's especially PAL TV's only supported interlaced content, could be a factor but as to not have the option for it, no idea but it was a shame!
Tekken 5 had its 480p mode taken out of the PAL version sadly!
@@TheAffroShowGameplay wow thts crappy.because progressive makes such a huge difrence
@wingedhussar1453 It really does & if you upscale it like I do with the OSSC, it is incredible!
Then you have HDMI adapters which ain't that bad for a cheap plug'n'play solution, paired with GSM can give a decent image quality. Then we have the holy grail of PS2 image output: the HDMI modchip by PixelFX, the RetroGEM, expensive as f*** but bypasses the DAC by tapping directly in the video output of the RSX, giving you a clean unaltered image, can be paired with GSM and other integrated options of the modchip itself for amazing results.
This is the beauty of the retro community & various mods being made to help get the absolute best out of real hardware:)
It now means the PS2 can be played on anything & modern displays will be able to play PS2 games going forward while having solutions that don't break the bank :)
Elegato hd looks good from your video but what devices and aspect ratio did you use?
If you watched the video you'll see it says the cable used & the output resolution:)
Any game with black bars on the sides are 4:3 & games that fill the screen are 16:9 games, it is all in the video:)
I used the OSSC to upscale all the footage seen in this video using mostly RGB SCART or Component cables :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay I am sorry to disturb you every time it’s just like I said I am not a technical person of video games and tv but ps2 is my no.1 favourite and when I heard that modern TVs look horrible for ps2, my heart sank. I spent all my money entirely on ps2 to revive my gaming memories since my brother who used to play with me back in the day died 6 years ago.
@inderjeetuppal6462 Again I understand your concerns but most people used Composite & not quality cables like Component or RGB :)
My videos look good because I know what it takes to make PS2 games look good on real hardware while acknowledging the limitations:)
I've told & shown you everything you need so you just have to get them or use emulation instead :) Just enjoy the experience:)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay any opinions on composite brother? Sorry to be a pain.
@inderjeetuppal6462 My opinion on Composite is in this very video or you can watch how it compares to other cables on my second channel Affro's Curiosities Official :)
backwards compatible ps3 is giving one of better ps2 images on modern tv as well I think, it deinterlaces ps2 picture
This is true & it has a nice image but sadly most people will not get to experience this version of the PS3, especially in PAL countries:o
Could you make a video about how to get true 240p and 480i using crt emu driver? People say id need a signal convertor from hmdi/vga to component or svideo, but i don't know which one i should really buy exactly.
Unfortunately I don't own a CRT & I don't have any of that equipment, my channel focuses on HDMI solutions :)
You'll have to Google it or find a channel which deals with CRTs :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplayi understand, if you have an idea could you please link me the correct device to buy that's available on amazon?
I used some devices but they were not what i needed, because they're forced to output a fuzzy downscaled 480i no matter what. Thank you.
I also would like to note, that in my personal experience, composite has washed out pale colors, i never noticed this in the past only when i used a component cable for the first time 3 weeks ago. And have always thought that colors looked good on my trinitron
If I ever see anything I'll let you know but I'm truly not the best person for this :)
Ah just goes to show you how much definition you can gain with Component or RGB SCART because the image signal is much clearer & cleaner :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay thank you, your video was interesting, because people on reddit have always said that rgb scart gives the best quality. But your video proves it's the other way around and kinda made me feel better because my crt tv doesn't have a scart input even though it's a pal tv.
@@zombiedeutsch My video proves both look the same :)
The only reason RGB looked slightly worse here was because I was using a cable designed for PS1, not PS2 :)
Good Component cables & RGB SCART Cables built with PS2 in mind look the same :)
Do you have the original xbox also, I got one modded wirh a Tsop custom bios and modded good component cable , awwsome to play Halo!!
I love retro consoles , really reminds when I was in my 16s back then!
I do actually, I have a video showing off the video quality when using flicker filters on & off when modded :)
I also have an upcoming video showing it off with Component video :)
Ah I'm not a Halo fan, I prefer the enhanced games on the platform though :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay wow nice bro
@@sithounetsith9877 Thank you :)
fmcb, opl, gsm 1080i mode, widescreen patches. the aspect ratio has to be adjusted. i only have component but your scart images are sexy
Yes, these mods & patches will change how the picture is shown on PS2 but if you have the means, use the tools to your advantage :)
I use RGB SCART from either Retro Gaming Cables or the Sony Official RGB SCART cables but they cost a fortune so use Retro Gaming Cables if you want nice, affordable RGB SCART cables for PS2 :)
is the ps1 rgb scart cable compatible with the ps2?
@@tabs7samsung417 Yes it is & it works well :)
Does wwe games in ps2 have anamorphic widescreen? Reason is because I own wwe svr 2006 and I haven started playing it due to right upscalers and cables for clear images.
I don't own them all, I know 2007 RAW has 16:9 support but you'll have to check online or just boot up the game & check the options :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay ok bet my favourite games only ps2 are hulk 2003 and svr 2006 and that’s why I was asking about it.
@inderjeetuppal6462 Hopefully everything I've said & you've seen in the videos helped you :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay it’s just I want strong and long lasting devices not temporary ones
@inderjeetuppal6462 Well the more expensive upscalers will last & not those cheap, cheap ones from Amazon or eBay :)
i retired my ps2, i currently use my xbox series x to emulate ps2 games @ 2/4k depending on the game and compatibilty from pcsx2
Nothing wrong with that & if it works better, keep using it :)
I love PCSX2 on my Steam Deck:)
@moes95 can you get banned for doing that?
@@bh_lad no it uses dev mode to emulate u can do all you want there, dev mode is seperate from retail u do need to buy dev mode acces for like 15€/$, i have emulators for ps1 ps2 wii ngc 360 and everything older than that
i git vids in my channel playing xbsx2 if u want to see performance
What’s best way to play ps2? On ps3 backwards?
The best way to play PS2 depends on what you want :)
PS3 is a great choice, but the ones that can are very expensive & notorious for breaking down a lot along with their cost :)
Emulation is a great alternative, PCSX2 has come a long way & you can upscale the games but not all games work & it's still being optimised:)
Real Hardware offers the best compatability & these days you can mod it with hard drives or SD card mods if you want to get ROMS from the Internet as opposed to the disks:)
Of course with that you'll need a CRT, a HDTV with analogue inputs or like me, get a HDMI based upscaler like the Retrotink/Retroscaler 2x, the OSSC, the RAD2x line or the Retrotink 5x or 4K for the best video quality for retro consoles, Including PS2 :)
Ultimately all methods have their ups & downs & also make sure to invest in S-Video, RGB SCART or Component cables for the best looking video output for PS2 games or HDMI if using a backwards compatible PS3 :)
Hope this helps!
Easy solution to play PS2 games through HDMI: mod your non-bc PS3, which allows you to backup and play PS2 games.
Very easy solution: PS Plus Premium on PS4/PS5 and its growing library of PS1/PS2/PSP games - plus they are mostly upscaled.
What are joytech cables?
3rd Party Component cables for the PS2 & PS3 :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay so no good?
@inderjeetuppal6462 They are good xD
If you watch my videos & see the video description it tells you everything I use & the cables are good :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay it’s not that I don’t believe you it’s just I hate products that are hit and miss
Ps2 can output native 1440p with soft mods
Can you explain how to do this? :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay Yeah, absolutely. I personally use a fat PS2 with RetroTINK cables, which I have hooked up to a splitter that goes to a CRT and an OSSC upscaler. I have the OSSC in pass-through mode because it doesn’t properly upscale the image. That’s how I connect it to my TV because my tv doesn’t have component inputs but if your tv does have component in this can still work or you can just use a generic component to hdmi . Now the software we use is an application called OPL Manager. Some people use it to play backups of games, but if you insert a physical disc, you can go into an options menu contained within the software. that allows you to select different display settings, ranging from 480i (which can be switched to 480p) up to 1440i and 1440p. You just need the latest version of OPL.”
Hmmmm, I'll have to look into this, I know GS mode selector allowed for 1080p maximum although it was very unstable and required Component cables to work :)
Thank you for explaining this to me!
Hiya jonathon lost touch how are u doing mate ?
Hello mate, yes been a while! I'm doing well, how are you? :)
Hello sir but i have to disagree with you, you are forgetting about how dithering is being used on PS2. I think when the game is running on 480p, the color of the game shows the dithering. PS2 is designed to play on SDTV 480i with composite cable so it can hide the dithering effect in the game. Pumping resolution on PS2 is not the best solution to it, because it will show more the dithering color on PS2. Second things are the jaggies resolution when you do upscaling or pumping the resolution it's still shown. The blurriness on Composite cable is the anti-aliasing effect designed for PS2. So, I think assuming the Composite cable is worst is a bit misconception too.
While I respect your opinion & I do understand why many, many people think this, I have to disagree back :)
First off, if this is the case, why did game developers or Sony bother making all the effort to make the PS2 support 480p or all these other cables?
While dithering & jaggies are common on PS2, even 480i games had dithering sometimes (Colin McRae Rally 04 had loads).
Also, I recently went to a games festival in the UK & they had CRT's running RGB SCART & guess what I saw on them when playing PS2 games... Yes, dithering xD
I feel most people are so accustomed to Composite on a CRT when playing PS2 that everyone assumes it is the only way when it isn't, not even in the CRT world:)
Ultimately, we can decide & choose how we want our games to look & if this is your preference, fair enough but this is not for everyone, especially not me & never has been, not even when this was the norm back in the 2000s!
@@TheAffroShowGameplay Thank you for the reply and i respected your opinion too sir. I have my own PS2 setup with AV Cable running on consumer CRT TV. I Noticed that blurriness image from composite cable is not noticeable and its crisp enough in my eyes when it's played on consumer CRT TV. When i plug on Flat TV the AV Cable is indeed the worst output compared to other.
@sanggakurnia I do understand & thank you:)
On a CRT Composite is workable but I always loved RGB SCART & always will but I hope you are enjoying the experience, that's the most important thing :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay +1 Sub hehe
@sanggakurnia Thank you, I appreciate that :)
I play with S-video by Avermedia card on PC. What video mode i must set in ps2 options -> RGB or Component?
My video quality by link:
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As mentioned in the video, S-Video is not affected by the RGB or Component settings, only RGB SCART Cables or Component cables get affected :)
@@TheAffroShowGameplay well, i understood. Scart rgb + crt Philips i have for retro gaming without Avermedia card :)
@zbf That's a great combination for retro gaming :)
I love my OSSC using RGB on my 4K display :)