The CRT Hype Train Might Be Out of Control... - CRT vs OLED
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Should you spend your hard-earned money on an HD display from 2003? CRT had some interesting final days that not a lot of people experienced or even remember and we're going to find out what your retro games look best on.
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dont worry Linus, i'm too poor to afford anything you recommend
Same
This hit too close to home for me. ;_;
Fuck I wanted to say this too lol
Same
Same
Gotta remember graphics designers always optimise for their current display technology, a lot of people who think old games look like crap probably just never saw them displayed on a CRT.
Tell that to the AAA games that release constantly with broken HDR and all types of issues. haha
They did look like crap most of the time. It's just that the good graphic was just an addition to gameplay. These days some games are just technical demos without the game itself.
@@PixogenPixels Older games were much more about art direction than pure graphical output. Game developers had a big incentive to think outside the box and ensure their game stood out from the competition. These days, many developers are churning out new games for the simple sake of providing new content for their customers.
I generally think most things look better on modern OLEDs, but there are exceptions. CRTs have a bit of separation between scanlines at lower resolutions, so sprites tend to look brighter and sometimes washed out on OLEDs where that doesn't exist. Also, the blurriness of CRT TVs makes dithering look much smoother and less pixelated than it would on an OLED.
@@camthesaxman3387 dithering is done by nvidia driver be default. As for separation... crt has 2.4 gamma so it was darker.
Fun fact about the color issues of old games: old games were intentionally colored a certain way to work with CRT's and how they naturally mute out the intensity of yellows and browns, so games were programmed with odd neon orange and yellow colors because, when run through CRT's, the colors would be washed out through the tubes and would display the desired colors. With OLED, you're seeing the compensating colors without the CRT washout and wind up with jarringly oversaturated colors that don't look good. So what Linus and co. are seeing in the OLED screen with DreamCast sprite games is the raw coloring that you were never ment to see, which would be corrected by the CRT tubes. If you don't have these intense colors, the browns and yellows would be washed out completely.
Now my only question is why do CRTs mute the intensity of yellows and browns?
i Hope that someone invents a "crt filter" for Oled displays that allows you to play old games with the same artifacts you can find on a CRT
aren't catodic rays dangerous for the human eye?
@@chamostrato cathode rays are dangerous in general. That's why they're stuck inside a vacuum tube.
@Josh Stevenson yes. Modern tv's use LED or LCD screens which contain more colors than just RGB and can display wider variety of colors, so game devs no longer needed to compensate.
The fact that CRT still has advantages really shows how great it was. Im 22 so i haven't had much experience with CRTs. As ours was replaced in 2007 so i was only 6 so it feels like we've had flatscreens for a long time. Would love to see a modern CRT capable at 4k resolution and HDR but not sure if that is possible, would be great for retro and modern gaming, would probably have to be pretty small as we are use to our light flatscreens even though they can be pretty awkward to hold at 65inch and up. 27inch would be fine
I'm 32 and grew up with CRTs In the late 90s / early 2000s And still on a CRT from 1998 which I play my older systems on they definitely do still have some advantages one of the biggest ones being how they handle motion and having zero input lag
@HollowRick Alot of people were unaware of their advantages and many people couldn't wait to get rid of them. Most my family members chose samsung as their flat screen of choice. Great flatscreens they were as you could turn the tv from left to right with the swivel feature. I know what TV flatscreen we had but not sure how much it cost us but all I can say it looked really high end and was a massive 40 inches in size lol we did have it with a dvd player and that had surround speakers. I wanted the old 27inch wide-screen CRT for my bedroom and my mum said no lol funny thing is it was already put upstairs because we had no where else to put it because we were selling it. So it could've been mine but instead I stuck with the small CRT which had the DVD player built in.
The most vivid memory of a crt i have is a table collapsing because of the sheer weight of the 32 inch crt and it exploded, then we did not have a television for 13 years lmao.
_13 YEARS?_ Dang, that's honestly impressive. RIP to your table and CRT
it probably took down the house with it
@@Ra-Hul-K Hahaha
I had a slightly similar experience with my 46" Samsung LCD, except it wasnt the table that exploded it was the glass stand that the tv actually ships with. The weight was too much for it to handle and one evening late at night whilst my parents were sleeping I was getting in a quiet session of Just Cause 2 when the base exploded so loudly it was akin to a gun shot. I still have the tv to this day and it still has some leftover glass on the base from over a decade ago.
@@masterzela Hahaha good thing its still working, hauling out a dead 46 inch crt sounds like a nightmare.
If we bought everything you recommended, Linus, we'd be broke.
We are all broke already
If I bought ANYTHING Linus recommended, I'd be broke.
Wrong. You have a perfectly good kidney you can sell on the black market ;)
@@wordsmith451 Kidney isn't worth as much as you think. China flooded the market with organs from Falun Gong followers and Uighurs, prices crashed.
As a person who's bought everything Linus recommended, I am currently sitting at a grand total of 1 cent.
I have a 1980's console crt in my living room dedicated for my vintage systems and an OLED in the bedroom for the more current ones. It's tough to justify, but visitors always comment on how great it is to play old games as they were.
My last CRT was a great large screen tv. It looked great, worked perfectly but I threw it out for a LCD. No one wanted them back then so I took it to a dump, felt really bad like abandoning a dog that had always been faithful
Why would you threw that out lmfao. Consumerism at it's finest.
@@Toxic2T yeah crazy but that’s the way it goes
@@Toxic2T Agreed, we still have ours in the basement. Why throw away a fully functional piece of technology like that? Ours is just a small CRT but I've also already secured a big one from a neighbour that I can take once I move into my own place and have the necessary space. :)
@@Pit1993x Hell yeah! They will be extremely useful someday :))
@@Pit1993x sometimes you can't keep everything you've owned, you gotta draw the line somewhere. Personally I'd have kept the CRT, but then again, I didn't keep any of mine?
This is my favorite format now; staff member brings something they're passionate about, explains and shows it to Linus and they rate it as they go. It's so cool
Soo... who is next up for their Show & Tell? :-)
100% agree
Ditto.
Three Monitor CRT Gaming Battel Station..
@@shadowr2d2
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Another interesting note about CRTs and retro gaming is that for some consoles, such as the Sega Genesis/Megadrive, you might actually be hamstringing yourself trying to go for the best picture quality. Practically all transparency and extra color tricks rely on the signal bleed from a composite signal, of which only really works with a CRT accepting that signal. There's also another transparency trick that renders the sprite/background every other frame, taking advantage of the slight phosphor afterimage of a CRT.
Yep, some digital conversions make it quite bad.
I'm not really convinced those techniques were done to exploit CRTs or composite displays because they are used on many pixel-perfect LCD/Handheld systems which do not have any such effect. That suggests to me it's just a general technique to workaround hardware limitations, not something designed specifically against the effects the output signal has on the message. For Example, Mario Tennis on the GBC uses a flickering sprite for shadows as well; but of course the GBC doesn't have phosphor afterglow. It doesn't make sense to me that a technique was used to exploit this or that detail of CRT or the signal effects on the image if those techniques were used in situations where those same effects and details were not present.
can you imagine optimizing your hardware to that level today? Turning bugs into features.
@@BCProgramming The flickering shadow transparency on GameBoy was because the screen was so bad it would blend each together for a pseudo transparency or more shades than the screen could produce. Even the GBA used flicker transparency. The screens had pretty bad response times by modern standards. nerdlypleasures.blogspot.com/2019/05/screen-persistence-and-gba-lcd-abuse.html
That's easily fixed in a proper emulator (not the crap "backwards compatibility" consoles nowadays shove out the door).
You have gone throught many options, but it should be known that with retro games especially just a few gens back they were inherently designed with CRTs quirks in mind. The literal best example for sprite quality and shading is Dracula's blood red eyes in his talk portrait in Castlevania SOTN.
CRTs biggest strengths are in its dream like haze and ability to apply extra blur to great effect, like in the ff10 cutscenes or Zelda: Majora's Mask.
These widescreen trinitrons are absolutely gorgeous blu ray monitors. I mean they rival any oled imo in terms of black levels and color clarity and resolution. I liked it so much I bought a second one of these exact tv's on craigslist. I got about 3 years of amazing gaming and movie watching out of my first one before the power supply died and the second is still in the closet. These Sony tv's use a special grid of phosphorus in order to maintain geometric clarity and color separation. They really were the best of the best of crt technology. Any Sony trinitron is worth grabbing.
Be VERY careful buying HDCRTs if you watch this and think "That's for me." Some of them have half second lag times. I've tested some. They are NOT all the same.
I've also had experiences with regular CRTs where they sometimes don't work with the NES Zapper. Some make it miss 100%, and others would register a hit anywhere on the screen. Other lightguns work fine with them though.
@@tim3172 Watch out!!!! Your new TV will have a different remote¬!! I am pissed off I can't just keep using this old one. THATS BAD DESIGN ;)
@@nathanddrews Especially if you have those little plastic twiddler knobs for contrast brightness saturation and blue levels. Over time they get unresponsive so making a small adjustment is impossible unless you have a tiny pixie sized wife to deal with them ...... ahem tiny knobs :D
@@tim3172 Imagine being a smartass when someone is trying to help others from wasting $1000+ on what they think was a standardized technology. They didn't cover it in the video, nothing wrong with covering it in the comments section.
Those models came with an included “hard mode” as a feature.
the one thing I remember as to why older games that were made when CRT setups were the dominant format is that sprites and models were crafted specifically to use the screen lines to "complete" the sprite. Hence why the smooth aspect from LCD and OLED screens looks much more "wrong" on older games
Also colors. Like with crosscode the colors are just wrong on the CRT since they were designed for LCD. While with old games designed on crt they are too colorful and unrealistic on LCD and look correct on crts.
But then gameboy become a thing and suddenly sprites worked perfectly on lcd.
@@gigabooga it wasn't a matter of limitations it was a matter of design. At the time of the early consoles CRT televisions made up the vast majority of all TVs so the designers made their sprite art to work within the tools available. When working with a handheld with an LCD screen and when LCD TVs became the more popular medium the artwork was adjusted to work with the more common medium
@@gigabooga were you not old enough to actually play a game boy cuz I promise you sprites did not look good lol
I think the 8 bit era and earlier games look great in clean HD because of their much simpler sprites with only a few colors. Later sprite games from the 16 bit and 32 bit era look a lot better with some sort of CRT shader to smooth out their much busier and more colorful sprites.
Mgs 1 is a perfect example of CRT looking way different the colors (specially the codet calls) pop and look more vivid
Silly me getting rid of all my CRTs around 2010. They'd be worth a fortune today.
I've still got mine in the garage. Might be time to list it for sale lol
Depends on what it is though, some are worth a decent bit of wonga, some only a few £$, A nice Sony 14"/21"/25" in good condition with a healthy tube is worth a fair few £$ for instance, or a JVC D-Series, Toshiba A Series, sets like those can go for a good price if they are in good condition, PC CRTs are the most expensive, a decent 19"/21" high resolution/refresh rate CRT monitor will fetch hundreds if it's got a healthy tube. And PVM/BVM sets can be a small fortune.
@@B1G_UN1T Why list it for sale when you can use it?
@@crazywarp36 8 like the size of my 55" OLED more
The overly warm/red image on the HD CRT is likely due to what the CRT community calls "Trinitron Red Push". This red push was implemented by Sony to make TV content such as skin tones "pop" on the showroom floor, at detriment to the overall accuracy of the image. Luckily this "feature" can be easily disabled to bring the display back to a balanced and accurate color profile usually by turning the AXNT setting in the service menu from 1 to 0.
My KD 34XBR970 has a toggle in advanced settings to adjust red from normal to monitor. This dials back the red a lot, but can hurt because I think it dials it back too much. Some games need the extra red
@@segasdreamer Some games were probably "mastered" in that kind of mode, so they did not realise their colours were bias a little.
I have never seen a sony TV survive past 20 years. At least being in active use. Eventually that power supply button or something inside will crap out.
@@AC3handle i was born in 03 and my parents had their crt b4 I was alive, it has always seen active use cause it was all I had to game on till I was like 12 and since then I've used it regularly (once/twice a week with friends) and it's still kicking around and it has no issues, I might just be the luckiest dude ever to have used it for 10000s of hours and never had it shit out tho.
@@segasdreamer I don't have a lot of experience with later HD XBRs so I can't say if the setting you mentioned is the same as the older service menu setting but I have noticed this too when disabling the red push, particularly on older and heavier used sets. So, after disabling it I usually do a quick and easy color recalibration by adjusting the red color's bias (cutoff) and gain (drive) to bring the strength of the red properly in line with green and blue. Luckily, consumer Trinitrons allow you to perform this adjustment through the service menu.
I think this occurs because the from-factory red push causes the red gun and phosphors to wear out more quickly than blue and green, so if it is disabled after years of operation, the red can look weak in comparison without further calibration.
CRT phosphors *do* emit light when theyre "off" if they've recently been activated. its why your CRT tv glows in the dark when you turn it off, and you can draw on the screen with a torch in the dark. but the contrast is so great that when other parts of the screen are lit the dark parts are basically as good as true black
It's especially noticable on black and white sets, the blacks are more greys.
@@trash_miner That's probably due to age and wear and knob-twiddling though. A monochrome CRT can have very pure black if it's set up to do so, but as the CRT wears, people turn up the drive circuit to get more brightness so the device remains useful, even at the expense of black becoming gray.
That's why you get the glow. Afterglow. It's phosphorus.
I remember touching the static as a kid after turning off the tv
the contrast of CRTs isn't actually very good, the glow of lit phosphors spreads pretty far under the glass and lights up areas that should be darkened. I'm not sure where this misinformation started but it's apparently not going anywhere...they still have good contrast, just not anywhere near OLED. there's still numerous other advantages to a CRT though. Also all of the shit this guy showcased, he's outputing a lot of stuff that should be 240p at 480i, he's really not doing any justice to the 15khz set...
My main love for a CRT. No native display resolution. It just looks good at any resolution. I can make a 320x240 render and pop it up on my CRT and it looks lovely. Unlike with modern flatpanel displays where it it gets digitally blocky and smoothed depending on the settings
I pulled out my old ColecoVision console and games (kept in original boxes) from the attic for a vintage game night that we had various consoles connected to a Vivitek 56" DLP TV that has DVI/HDCP inputs and it looked wonderful! When I mentioned my wife previously wanted to get rid of it when we purchased our 70" flat screen it started a bidding war among the true vintage gamers. I'm glad I kept it but I miss her from time to time!
Congratulations
I feel like there was a missed opportunity here. One of the consoles they should've tested is an SD console made in an HD era. That would be the Wii. I would've loved to see wii games on this thing.
Very rough because the Wii outputs 480i and 480p. I prefer Dolphin emulator. I own a Triniton 4:3 CRT TV.
It actually looks pretty good as long as you run a component cable for it. Standard video isn't gonna cut it anymore.
I have a wii. Grew up playing the wii as a kid on a lcd tv but recently tested it on my crt and wow it looks so much better on the crt than a flat screen
@@saricubra2867 not true at all, it looks great
@@LJ7000 But blurry vs HD.
The issue with certain sprites on the OLED (like Wolverine) was because they were designed with the expectation that horizontal lines of color will get blended a bit due to how the electron beam works.
i did an s-video mod on my genesis and have seen similar effects, like metal not getting the intended gradient, even on a crt
The games were made for CRT, thats the difference. I totally agree.
Also because he has a shitty filter over it. I don't know how linus calls it out as "like a filter" when it literally is a filter. I'm not saying the OLED would look better than crt, but those filters are horrible and I don't know why you would have it on for a test like this.
there you go. the only reason why CRT had points. games were designed for it.
Nope, that's not the issue with the workings of electron beam, but yes, it is the issue with blending of adjascent "pixels" in a horizontal lines. Old games were designed not only for CRT, but for composite signal on a CRT. Composite had artifacts mostly with bleeding colors to adjascent pixels, especially so if the image was made of bars (for example, if you feed CRT an image, where every odd vertical line is black and every even vertical line is white, via a composite signal, you will get a gray screen). Developers used this artifacts to their advantage. Great example is waterfalls in the first level of Sonic The Hedgehog 2 - they look transparent when you play using composite signal. But composite signal wasn't the only way of outputting an image to CRT - there also were s-video, component (YPbPr) and the best of them all, RGB, which mostly was used on professional equipment in USA, but in Europe it was available on most consumer TVs and monitors. If you'll play old games on CRT via RGB the image will look much, MUCH sharper and there will be no color bleed, games will look much better, but all the effects that was intended for composite will look wrong. Returning to Sonic 2 example, the waterfalls will consist of bars, and will not look like transparent water as was intended. This is extremely noticeable on playstation (the first one), the console had a hardware effect called dithering, which developers could turn on and off in games. This effect covers whole screen (afaik) and make the image look somewhat foggy or blured, I don't really know how to describe it. This was achieved by covering every second pixel of the screen with a different shade of the color that was in the original picture, in a checkerboard pattern. This effect looks horrible when displayed via RGB. The best example will be Silent Hill, just look at comparisons between composite and RGB in this game, both displayed on a CRT - you'll immediately understand what I'm talking about. But if a game wasn't relying on artifacts of composite signal it will look so much better when outputted via RGB. So the issue is not only about a type of display, but also about the type of signal fed to it.
P.S: there's a demoscene production called "8088 MPH" (by Hornet + CRTC +DESiRE) that was made for 1981 IBM PC with intel 8088 CPU and original CGA graphics adapter. This hardware, even when special hacks were used, could only display no more than 16 colors simultaneously on screen, but this guys, using a very clever abuse of composite signal artifacts, made it display 1024 colors at once. I highly recommend watching this demo, it's amazing.
I watch a lot of LTT and quite ironically this is the first one I see in HDR. Old CRT tech now filmed in HDR. Nice.
I used to have an old sony CRT like the big one in this video, the trintitron I believe. That thing damn near lasted 15 years and was still working perfectly when I got rid of it. They were very reliable.
I HAD THIS TELEVISION! Yall should have uploaded this video in 60fps to show off the SPLENDOR! Back in the day you had to order component cables for the original Xbox, GameCube and PS2 but once you got em hooked up you could game in Hi Definition on those consoles. People used to come over to my house all the time to game and play Guilty Gear on the PS2 and would wonder why it looked so good on my 34inch Sony Wega but not their TV 's at home all you had to do was press X and Triangle at the same time before the game loaded and it would ask you "Would you like to play in Progressive scan?" Select yes and BOOM glorious HD on all your PS2 games. Fun times.
Same, I got this for movies vs. gaming, but it was a fun last hurrah for the technology. It wasn't cheap though and I remember why they didn't sell well. When I moved I chose not to take it with me though as it was a monster. Donated it to a neighbor who was TV repair guy back in the day and he still has it last we talked.
Yes, component alone looks a lot better but the PS2 DOES NOT support progressive scan on all games. Some games you can press this combo but most of them, especially games that were multiplatform, didnt support 480p on the PS2.
The GameCube, Dreamcast and Xbox were better in this regard, the only issue with GC was the expensive cable at the time, but the amount of games not compatible with progressive scan is very small compared to the PS2
GameCube only had up to 480p also known as Enhanced Definition. High Definition is 720p minimum.
They supported ED not HD. The Xbox and PS2 had a couple (like 3/4) that would actually support HD.
CRTs have a blurring effect, which was taken advantage of by many game developers, specifically in the 16 and 32 bit era, where they would combine dithering and the crt’s blurring to make a transparency effect, like on the Sega genesis and Saturn, or to smooth colors, lines, and textures like on the original PlayStation. This greatly improved the image. Also, light guns and light pens require crts, since they depend on the zero processing delay, as they use this to figure out where on the screen the device is pointing.
light guns needed to beable to drive and flash some part of the screen for them to work is more to the point. Motion sensing on CRTs for a time was trivial, at least relative to LED and LCDs.
Beside from the blur effect, the poor quality from the composite signal actually helps that aswell. The infamous waterfall on Sonic 1 (a Genesis game), took advantage of that.
were still in the 32 bit era just saying
@@strictlynineties Most processors have been 64 bit capable for over a decade now. I'd definitely say we're NOT in the 32 bit era, even if many codes are made in 32 bits for the sake of backwards compatibility.
And if we speak about memory bus, graphics cards 5 years ago were capable of handling 192 bits, that's the bus width for a GTX1060, one of the most popular graphics cards still nowadays.
I think dithering was from composite signal, not the CRT itself, you'd get those waterfall effects on a flatscreen with the real console, but not with a CRT and an emulator (but it wouldn't look pixellated on the CRT)
We use them for Smash Melee tournaments in our venue. Maybe once a month, sometimes more. We do way more other things I can't talk about necessarily but it's dope to see CRTs now that I started this job. Bringing back memories
What kind of things can you do with a TV you "can't talk about." You guys snorting phosphor tubes or somethin?
Dude this was a great video! Love my TV's and the fact you guys delved so deep into the differences is awesome. I'm one of them people that notices the small differences when no-one else does lol.
Back when there were phone booths, you could buy rechargable cards for them. One trick you could use to recharge them for free was putting them on the screen of a CRT monitor. The electrons coming off the screen would flip bits inside the card and some of them could later be used to make calls.
I didn't know any of electrons made it pass the phosphor screen and glass...interesting.
@@kurtownsj00 I would think it more likely to be an electromagnetic field effect than electrons. The way CRTs work is by having the electrons get absorbed into the phosphor to make it glow. I suppose if the electron gun is firing far more electrons than can be absorbed by the phosphors, some might make it past, but to my knowledge that isn't the case.
@@darylsonnier658 Early CRTs definitely had a lot of electrons escaping the glass. That's why your parents always told you sitting too close to the TV would wreck your vision. But later CRTs mostly solved that with better phosphors, and leaded glass to catch stray electrons.
@@Choochinc Thanks!
We managed to overcharge a phone card with some battery and wires just poking around randomly.
It ended up with like hundred of thousand worth of credit.
We used to pass that around between friends when somebody had to make a lot of calls :D
When I heard 2003, I went, “wait, what? Nah, that can't be.” And then I tried to remember when my family got a flat screen TV, and I'm not sure if it was before or after Skyrim was released.
Edit: I watched the ring on a crappy (and really small) CRT. Guess how friggin' scared I was when it went directly to white noise when the film stopped!
Flat screens only really took off in like 2006-7
That's the unique thing that the Ring (Ringu) will never be able to recreate with today's streaming & widescreen OLEDs.
I picked up a CRT off the side of the road a few years back that had a HDMI port. I was astounded.. but yeah. They keep making stuff way after the people in the know have switched away
@@jacksonblack9408 Wow another person who found a TV on the side of the road, why do people do that to perfectly working CRT's!
@@crazywarp36 your reply sounds super sarcastic haha but I'm only 50% sure it was meant that way.
The main part of my point was that it had HDMI. HDMI was sort of only a thing post 2006, and I sort of think of crts as bring 90s and earlier
Insightful analogy at 16:26 I like the vector image comparison Linus pulls
he's right about retro games being awesome on CRT because those big pixels dissolve in CRT. new flat screen should have a mode for retro games dissolving those big pixels
Some LED tvs have a gaming option and its look and play great. But don't go with Samsung or LG. They just not good at it.
It almost looks like games at the time were optimized to look good on CRTs!
They weren't. They were optimized to run on a system with a tiny fraction of the computing power we have today. If CRTs never existed and people used LCD screens, nothing would have been different in terms of the art. Consoles of the time had so many limitations in terms of memory, color space, and speed that you had no other choice but to make pixel sprites or eventually very jagged 3D models with limited textures as time went on.
@@Straviradius I think the limitation was what made games awesome during those times because it made devs be crafty and scrappy with their designing of games.. where today they have become lazy and you can tell especially when putting a game out that is cross platform .. it's an unfortunate double edge sword of modern game development.
@@Straviradius there are subtle differences in pixel and art design based upon the display. Look no further than say, the difference between Gameboy Advance games and the SNES. Graphically they are very similar at first glance, but the GBA games naturally have a slightly washed out colour look on original hardware due to no screen light. Put those same games on a TV and suddenly the colours are too saturated, due to them not being designed for that purpose.
@@Straviradius You basically just said that they weren't... except for the fact that they were.
Arcade monitors were the best
I wondered if I was an idiot as I carried a free 27" tube tv into my garage yesterday
Still unsure
Enjoy!
If it makes you happy and it doesn't harm any one it can't be that stupid :)
If it makes you feel any better, I have 5 of them lmao
Honestly I'm keeping an eye out for a little CRT monitor in my area just for fun, don't even need something fancy
I have a Dell CRT sitting on my desk just for doing repairs or because I do not want to dump it. Decided to just keep it until it dies or I do.
i really enjoy the retro tech videos, please make more of these
I had this sony trinitron HD CRT, best retro gaming experience ever. I was lucky enough to find it in front of my building still working... it was sooo heavy to move I had to ask the janitor for trolley.
The camera moiré effects seen on the CRTs (wavy rainbow lines for example 13:00 ) aren't visible in person but its really weird they didn't adjust their cameras to eliminate it, which is possible. also the overhead lighting in the room is a worst case scenario for CRT image quality.
Despite all of that, the CRT won for every test.
How to eliminate it on camera? Do you know? (Just asking lol)
@@FakYuhGoogel Not on text and color (i can't stop looking at Linus's GDM FW900 monitor, beautiful on my Motorola OLED phone)
It pains me Dx long time CRT user but I would not use CRT unless the room is pitch black, cannot stand the washed out look that happens. I feel like it takes away a lot from the video, for what a CRT looks like in pitch black and how close it gets to OLED contrast, have a look at r/CRTgaming. Important note that people miss when talking about CRTs though, they do not reach the same contrast as OLED: even for a pure black signal the raster is not 0v and you can set it to be that but it. crushes blacks, and even if it was possible CRTs suffer greatly from OLED type image retention, so the black areas won't get black for a while after that have been lit up. The worst problem by far though is light scatter: because of the amount of glass in a CRT, after electrons hit the phosphors light can bounce around a lot far across the screen, resulting in very bad low-local-dimming-zones type blooming and slight washing out. That all means that in some content, especially consistently bright content, even the best CRT will look far from OLED contrast. In some content though it's definitely close enough that the other benefits of CRTs make it the winner IMO. Would highly recommend people see a well set up CRT irl in pitch black, even if it doesn't convince you it's definitely an experience. (I stress well set up - they are very difficult to set up properly and I always tune mine to the content I am watching)
The rainbow effect was practically impossible for me to ignore. It alone could kill the HD CRT for me as an option.
As a fighting game player (3rd strike and marvel 2) it absolutely is about input delay with original hardware. I don't use CRT's outside of retro gaming and it's specifically old fighting games.
Try them on horror games. A vga crt monitor thats high resolution looks amazing.
3rd Strike also looks LEAGUES LEAGUES LEAGUES better with scanlines. That game is so pretty but looks GROSS with actual pixels.
The only possibly acceptable excuse for relying on CRTs. Until we find a better solution.
@@RedParryBrasil ???? Third Strike is gorgeous dude, one of the prettiest games out there. I guess you could argue that the background in Remy's stage is a little but crusty but the character sprites look excellent, imo.
Who's got winner?
might be the total lack of motion blur on CRT that makes it pop.
I might not have a 16:9 1080i CRT TV, but I do have a super old JVC box CRT TV and a couple way smaller ones that I use a lot, and a CRT monitor that my family had before I was even conscious I was alive and it still works to this day. There's something about CRT displays that just look so good.
I worked at Goodwill about 6 or 7 years ago and we charged $0.25 for each CRT, even the rare HD ones that came in. No one would buy them. We would just end up recycling tons of them since they would rot on the sales floor
that's how this stuff works. By the time people are like, wait, what ever happened to X? Then they are like, wait, X was actually way better for Y than Z! Now it's rare, pricey, etc. High quality tape players, Vinyl pressings, etc.
CRTs don't "rot" - there is nothing wrong with them. They just weren't advertised properly.
@@dieselbaby sure thing buddy
im the guy who bought the decent ones in 2011 and stored them,thanks for making them more rare for me hahahaha
You make me cry hearing about that, i salvage CRTs especially models from the 2000s when they were at there peak.
The biggest monitor I ever owned was a View Sonic 19in monster. It produced so much heat I kept the heat registers in the room closed during the winter. During the summer I kept a 9in fan running behind it to cool it, and kept the window AC running full blast. But the real dagger in the heart of CRT is power consumption, they simply can't compete with modern monitors, they are just power hogs and heat generators!
Remember, energy consumption = heat, and there's no way around that.
Sorry, but I have a couple of Sony 21" CRT monitors running in my tiny little gaming cave (well shed), and it's the summer, they put out a little warmth yes if you put your hand right over the vents, but my 32" LED monitor gets equally hot, and my PC puts out several times more heat than them all put together, if you want a display that puts out a ton of heat, then its OLED, the newer models actually have huge heatsinks to cool them down to reduce artefacts and improve brightness.
@@Wobble2007 Plasma TVs especially the Panasonic Viera series are right up there with OLED sporting massive heatsinks and active cooling fans, I like my 50" Viera because it's got CRT like contrast and with such a deep chassis it's got excellent sound, I have a MASSIVE old Sharp CRT that came with my house that still works flawlessly, it may very well end up being a shop TV because it's picture quality is right up there with even my "newer" plasma TV and the Panasonic, main reason I went with the Viera for my daily driver is there's no motion blur like LCD and select LED screens and it's too heavy to steal, took 4 guys to get it up the stairs and 4 guys ain't gonna get it down the stairs and out the door before police and armed and intoxicated neighbors show up
@@cokeacolasucks he didn't say anything against that?
@@vacexpert2020 I owned FW900 i numerous 22" 19" CRTs there was no heat. On the other hand Panasonic plasma in front of your face
you will feel that heat so much that you cant actually have it in that way near you.
this is one of my favorite videos of this channel.
Really, this sets you apart from ANY youtube channel. Not only the level of tinkering of something really interesting (for a 30 yo gamer that grew up with sega, nintendo, ps3 and xbox, this is actually interesting), but also for the production quality.
No one in youtube is even close.
The majority of old games look better on CRT displays because they were designed in a way that they fit better on CRTs.
I remember stores sabotaging CRTs over here to push LED screens back in the day.
LED was more spece efficient and some stores had massive stores of the crappy early LED monitors.
So naturally some stores messed with contrast and brightness values on the few remaining CRTs to make them look less appealing and the LEDs better by comparison.
They'd actually ask you to leave the store if you'd try to unfornicate the settings.
Geez that is some petty behaviour. LCD screens were catching on in the mid 2000s?
@@Thomasmemoryscentral Yes they were, but they didn't overtake CRT sales till 2008-2009.
And it was in large part because getting a good CRT was already getting hard as less and less stores even stocked them in reasonable numbers due to logistics and shelf space.
Recently I found 2005 80cm LCD Fujitsu-Siemens Myrica V32 it weights 20kg but has terribly slow display. My 80cm pixel+ crt thomson(60kg) was much beter... now i collect 50cm sony trinitrons optimal size for retro gaming i can move it by my self andd it does not ocupy that much space.
I mean in fairness, first of all, lol who the fuck can afford to just drop that kind of money on a massive OLED. On the other, CRTs are soon going to be more expensive than OLED thanks to rarity vs industry of scale.
But then on the other hand, let's be honest here, we're talking about 1990s technology that died out in the 2000s, so you're still getting stuck with 1990s visual tech for when Half Life was a riveting visual experience--in other words, back when us kids would say excitedly how much better muh grafix, because the graphics genuinely sucked so much ass back then that even I as a child could understand that Westwood's games looked freaking terrible. Like do you all remember Command and Conquer Red Alert? The little moving clump of 12 pixels that we called "soldiers"? Oh yeah fuck that, ain't no way I'm going back. I could even tell back then it looked so bad on all games, I mean we're talking about in 2022 terms what was basically a bunch of pixelart .gifs running at each other. That's what we had to play with back in my day. Pixelart .gifs
So while I rescind some earlier things I said dunking on CRT because yes, you had those smudged pixels and I do think Starcraft Broodwar looked better on CRT, I mean...it looked bad overall for a reason. Everything looked bad. The tech just wasn't there. Like, I consistently say how much I don't care about FSR and DLSS because of the smudging, so why would I want to look at something even lower res and lower pixel count and still smudged? It only looks bad compared to really blocky LEDs back in the day. Or even 1366x768, hell tbh 1080p actually looks bad enough to me now I just can't. So. I'd rather have OLED if it's okay in price. The one thing I'll concede is yeah, you really do need period correct hardware for some of the real oldies, and I'd rather play Starcraft Broodwars on a CRT.
Anyone up for a quick 7v1 cpu? It's not me I swear it's xXarchangel_69Xx he's the bs'er!
I have a Sony Trinitron wega I got back in 2006, display item. I got it for 476$ or so. It was a great deal. It was $1000 brand new at the time, has amazing speakers also. But in 2011 it started acting up. Now if you turn it off you can't turn it back on for at least a week or two and need to unplug it. If you don't do this it'll just keep shutting itself off everytime. All TV's have there pros and cons depending on what your playing on them. And yeah in 2006 the crts we're on their way out, only a.few models like Toshiba Sony Samsung RCA were available while flat TV's like the Westinghouse for $800 was very tempting but it was 32" so smaller and worse contrast. I will say I remember the color popping pretty good on the Westinghouse on the curious George movie they were showing on them, but my tv I got also displayed color great like in Madagascar. And when they let me hook up my 360 to the tv and try out a game a played quake 4 and was sold on it.
I think the slight screen door effect on CRT's is helping hide some of the poor textures in older games and help everything blend together.
It's a natural antialiasing since the "pixels" aren't squares. Watch the video about Linus's GDM FW900 CRT monitor.
Some oleds can make mask filter effects to replicate that feel
Absolutely. It's the same reason people apply filters to Photoshop composites right at the end; it helps unify the image.
scanlines also help sharpen out edges byt masking the slight blurs pixel to pixel its not *quite* the same but if you try turning scanlines on and off on a oled or LCD display in the emulator you notice the graphics look better under scanlines
so much so they even sell hardware scanline generators to apply this effect back to retro consoles on LCD and oled
Playing old games on old CRT's sound just as logical watching old movies and series on a CRT-tv. It is the complete experience for the right era. Actually I bought a CRT for the same reason that I wanted an DOS / Windows 95 environment with the right vibe.
Only for content that’s only on SD or found footage style horror movies.
composite video is also a consideration for crts, since a lot of old games had pixel art designed to be seen through a composite video feed
Would love to see how 4k oled w/ the proper shader or filters compares to CRT for retro gaming. They've come a long way but usually require at least 4k to look their best.
all emulation looks great in 4k with no shaders and other garbage.
pure resolution bump removes all aliasing and anisatrophy removes flickering
Would have really liked to see that
currently playing Elden Ring on my FW900 and i have a OLED TV i much prefer my CRT on it. something about it just just pure perfection.
The CRT-Royale-NTSC preset in Retroarch is I think the best I've found. It can do the waterfalls in Sonic 2 and Dracula's eyeglow in PS1 castlevania nearly perfectly.
@@tsartomato I find myself not liking the way a lot of games look when upscaled. 3D games look so much more crude, 2D games look so much more rough, and any anti-aliasing in 2D looks like hot garbage. 2D graphics back in the day were designed with limitations of CRT in mind, and definitely look much better when displayed how the artists originally made them.
Found a CRT on the side of the road. Hooked my PS2 into it with component cables and it is rapidly becoming my most played system. Anything HDMI will look better on a modern display but older stuff will always look better on a CRT.
I could barely play my xbox games on my flatscreen whatever it is and I got a free sanyo bottom shelf rf component cable only input crt and it was an incredible improvement
you mean composite
@@idkrossplay The PS2 had options for both composite (two audio, one video) and component (three video, two audio) cables.
You are mostly right. Few edge cases like ar tonelico I prefer non crt. Games with 3d models tho definitely look better on crt.
@@idkrossplay no component is way better. Tho some games where component doesn't work so good to have composite as backup
Yep. I had a Sony Trinitron XBR 32" in 2001 but dumped it a few years later. The thing was so heavy it took two people to move it and was boxy as hell. It also left a dent in my carpet that lasted for months. :) Even if I could've sold it now, the shipping fees would be insane.
Low resolution graphics like c64 but also old arcade games are supposed to be displayed on a CRT because they blend pixels together which give the illusion of a different color.
Before he passed my father had that HD trinitron. We used it for many many years and it always was one of the best and sharpest displays we’d ever seen, even into the mid 2010s. Wish I could have understood how great it really was and kept it after he passed but that thing weighs as much as an elephant
Yeah, my old 32" 576i CRT from the late '90s weighed in excess of 15 stone, I could only imagine the weight of an HD monstrosity.
@@fattomandeibu You need 2 people to position it lol not for the faint of heart.
I had a 60" trinitron clone from Blaupunkt, and it was like a train carriage 🤣
I knew a guy who had an even worse TV, it was a plasma projection TV which in it's stand was 5ft high, then at the base about 2-3 foot wide. You couldn't even move it!
@@DailyCorvid Yep. My friend had a Trinitron and it took a lot of work moving that thing.
I was using an Electrohome ECP4500 CRT projector. 1080i/720p. Awesome for gaming but its a lot of work to setup and very heavy. Its like having traffic lights laid sideways.
Was 58th in the world in Killzone 2 mp.
@@ecp4500 "Its like having traffic lights laid sideways" 🤣 OMG that sounds pretty bloody awful!
I am guessing then that the actual panels are amazing! 58th in the world?
I am no FPS player these days, but I can appreciate that 58th out of a few million says you put a lot of time and effort into that.
Which I commend! People might say its only video games, but it really doesn't matter what the task is. Being in the top 100 is a fairly high level, you are almost in the top 50 as well :)
Linus make a review of RGB-Pi...
Definitely this, it really makes the whole process easier and alot cheaper, get Anthony on it!
Por fa Linus, pruebate un rgb pi y flipa, deja de mierdas escaladas....
too good to be true
The better choice to enjoy retrogaming on CRT.
And please use proper old-school games plugged into good-old 15 khz sets, not into crappy hd flat screen 100 hz ones
I love how crt filters look for 2d sprites, on my LG C2, the crt filters for ps1 games make them look so much better. I'm guessing it's not all the way there as a real crt, but it's a definitive improvement, while maintaining all of the other perks of OLED.
@3:45 don't forget the heat man I remember how they also doubled as a space heater LOL.
It'd be interesting to know where CRTs would be today, if they were still being developed and innovated.
apple watch with CRT display.
not that much further, the issues of crt persist. them being the fact that a mechanical part has to move, this results in two very well known issues size and quality. you cannot go much higher quality because then the delay between refreshes would become obvious due to the fact that the "line" needs time to move. you could cercomvent this by adding extra lamps and mirrors and what not but then you run into issue number two size, they are already massive.
all in all if you're actually interested in a modern take look at a lazer projector, basically the same principle only your screen is further away
@@lugaidster well said
@@ThaGr1m There are no moving parts in a CRT. I believe you are thinking about DLP technology. There is nothing mechanical whatsoever in any CRT.
@@billmilosz CRT's have circuit boards inside them, and the parts do degrade, and need replacing.
You don't want a shtty old capacitor to start leaking all over the board, that's the death of the monitor, lol. And even if they don't leak, you still need to replace them, because otherwise the image processing gets messed up, and the image distorts and twists as you use the monitor. xD
CRT's don't have moving parts, but they do have a lot of components, so yeah, they need maintenance.
I've gave to my kids vintage CRT and Nintendo and they just love it. For me is like travel to time and those old games are so much fun.
I'll pass my ps2 to my future kids too. I'm 19 though lol.
@Pointless Rat Race nah kids are nice
@@dirt_xo kids are the best thing you can have, even though sometimes you might doubt that. And mainly family.
@Pointless Rat Race Nah, finding a wife and having a family is my idea of success.
Got me boys an Amlogic game box and a CRT television, they're loving it so much it's not even funny
Ahhh good to see the old analog tube vs new age digital debate work it's way from the guitar amp world to the video game world so now I can hear it all of the time haha
Yeah! And I've seen records and tapes everywhere again. But I'm waiting for the VHS comeback... And oh yeah... though I've seen instamatic cameras in loads of places, when's the daguerreotype making a comeback? Can't wait to hang some next to my cave paintings! 👍
Thank god we bought one of these when they came out and it still works. I didn't know some people didn't have 1080i CRTs at home lmao.
There's no mention of how lightguns only work on standard definition CRTs, or how retro games use transparency effects with CRTs like the waterfall in Sonic 2 or the fog in Streets of Rage 2.
That transparency effect doesn't work unless you are using a really shoddy video signal like RF on older CRTs so that point us moot
For the longest time, up until maybe 4 years ago, my parents had one of those huge Sony HD CRTs in their living room (moved up from the basement when it got replaced there by a plasma). It was a monster, and so ridiculously heavy.
If I remember, they could weight almost 150lb depending on size and model. The 34" Panasonic HD crt I had weighed around 130lb if I recall correctly.
@@AaronHendu my trinitron hd display is 220lbs iirc
A few years ago I caught the crt bug and found local a 40 inch Trinitron, damn thing was virtually a piece of furniture. It weighs somewhere around 300 pounds
My mom and dad were using a massive 36 or 38 inch Sharp 4:3 CRT until like 2016 because as my dad said "it works better than my eyes do" so he refused to replace it so I bought them a 40 inch flat screen and replaced it while they were on vacation. It took me and 2 friends to move it.
My father had a 400lbs CRT big TV. It was heavy and it was difficult to move it around. Eventually got rid of it because it was so difficult of moving it around.
Back in the day, I got a 34XBR960 for free from a guy who was "upgrading to a flat panel". That 960 has the most glorious picture I've ever seen. Great sound with the built in sub too. It also weighed 200lbs. I ended up paying it forward after using it for a few years.
Good ‘ole Linus playing Infamous! You love to see it!
Interesting. The colors on old games were mastered on CRTs, so it's going to look truer to way the artists intended. Cool!
Yes.. but no. Tv's look warm, cold, light and dark and can be adjusted, etc. You just hope that the monitor/monitors your testing on gives you a good middle ground.
@@FrosteMelon Yes you are right, after all manufacturers used to set this properties based on many factors, including product line, brand recognition and quality of parts based on market of a specific product. But people will always oversimplify things to validate their own beliefs.
12 years ago I had a 29" HD CRT tv, and I couldn't even give it to the Goodwill because nobody wanted them so I ended up having it recycled. Too bad I didn't keep it.
Why? Because someone else said it's good now? This is all bs hype honestly
It's worth what someone else is willing to pay. I agree with you, and that it's very silly, but eh.
@@FreedomForAll2013 No because there's a market for it now and instead of chucking it coulda been worth some decent coin lol
@@FreedomForAll2013 I honestly think CRTs are overrated for newer stuff and just movies in general but for like actual PS2 games and older, they often looked better on them. Also a flat screen just doesn't look right in a retro gaming room. That said, I wouldn't want to use one as a daily driver TV.
@@FreedomForAll2013 - No, it's because I could have sold it for some good money in this market.
thjere are times i miss my floor model tv, but then the first day i played a blueray movie on my first 32 inch Samsung flatscreen, i was absolutely blown away at the picture.
I still use my old crt monitor but just as a backup. Works fine for managing my server.
There is one thing that none of these crt comparison videos never tell you. The sound they make. Every crt makes a high pitch noise. Depending on how sensitive your hearing is, it can be painful unless you block your ears
legit, i got a regular crt from some relatives and i had to go looking for another newer high refresh rate one (good thing i have the space to keep both lol) because the whine combined with the flickering basically ensures i will get a headache if i try to use it for more than a few minutes without headphones on
frame interpolation (if that's even what it is) was unfortunately not great in '97 though so pick your poison i guess
Get a high refresh rate CRT monitor.
Sony High-Scan Chassis... Double the horizontal frequency!
You will never worry about that 15.7 screaming again! It is just not there... I don't know anyone that
can hear the 31.4Khz...
True, I hated being around CRTs as a kid because it hurt my ears. Once I got into retro games in high school I just learned to live with it.
Every lcd i owned before i got my 144hz whined like crazy. This is not a crt specific issue.
This is a really nice “talk” through the display technology and retro games. Loved it
what old titles you still need now ???
My CRT televideo that my parents gave me (I'm too young to remember the CRT days haha) is finally packing-out, so I went looking for a replacement, and I was shocked at the prices!
I had that big wide screen TV back in the day. It weighs about the same as a small moon. Those TV’s were such a massive pain.
One of my most favorite TV I ever had was a 36" Sony HD (with HDMI) CRT, It was a beast but Color and Blacks were unbeatable and It's internal Speakers were amazing. I miss that TV even now.
I had 2 of those I got from my brother. Those bastards were a bitch to move lol.
I had one it was the heaviest tv I ever owned.
Internal speakers have taken an awful turn for the worst. Old good stereo sound CRTs had some of the best internal speakers. Of course since the case is so big you get decent bass response from them. Now the "Base model" tvs with the mono speaker, those were garbage and I dont miss that lol
Where do you live? Might have one to sell you.
We all feel crazy dumb now for getting rid of them, swapping them for 15 years of awful LCD’s lol.
In 2012 I sold one of our old 21" CAD CRT ( Sony GDM-F520 ) to a pro CS player.
It was absolutely top tier when purchased around 2002 and capable of doing 1600x1200 @120Hz
I miss my old 19" beast, it had a bit higher res specs and 1080P felt like a step backwards.
@@GamingDad Same, I had a high-end Viewsonic that did 2048x1536, but IIRC only 60hz.
And nowadays pro CSGO players buy LCD "gaming" crap monitors.
The passion in this makes it one of my favorite ltt videos
Friend came over one day to play TF2 on my big Iiyama CRT... broke his long standing scout record almost instantly. It was a 4:3 screen so I eventually had to let it go. But there's nothing like playing fast shooters on a CRT. It's like you can actually see what's going on in the game.
I love seeing this, I'm disappointed that you didn't do light scanlines on OLED though. You still may not have liked it but games with sprites were created with scanlines in mind and used the scanlines to hide imperfections. This is why emulators have shader plugins and also a a way to add scanlines. Going in with nothing is like staring at the sun until your eyes can no longer see. It's blinding :)
Shaders are SO important in emulation really. And it's not just scanlines, but they can do things like detecting dithering patterns and smoothing values from it, creating a high quality image without the overall softness of a CRT input.
I'm wondering if there's something like a SweetFX shader injection that can add scanlines or perform the smoothing to create a much closer to CRT visual experience. The CRT effect is pretty much just post-processing, so it should be possible to mimic pretty much everything related to static visual clarity with a good shader.
Nothing is quite the same as a real electron beam and shadow mask.
Honestly though most people have their OLED set way too bright. My parents set their OLED down to 38 brightness because it was hurting their eyes in the evening, while still being clear and bright during the day.
This problem is due to the pixel density of the display. If you were to use a computer for example and emulate while upscaling you won't experience this issue. They are playing relatively native hardware with hardware upscale conversion. OLED will win if you're doing this from a computer.
@@jhoughjr1 you can get the exact same effect with a high end GPU
I miss my Sony Trinitron... I definitely remember having the advantage against my friends who had their slow plasma tv's with noticeable input lag.
Got mine
🤓
For me it's Vizio 32 inch 720p hdtv from 2009-2010. It displayed 480p perfectly w/o upscaling with direct vga input via LCD, not LED.
@@crashbandicoot5636 This ain't tiktok
Don't tell me 🤧 unfortunately mine broke after 20 years
I remember an explanation before on why ps2 games at least looked better on CRT is because of the way it was displayed, the CRT would add a kind of anti-aliasing to the image.
I had that exact same trinitron hd when I was young and it was the greatest thing. Games really haven't been the same since
Kind of wish you would have tested those games with Sony PVMs instead of regular CRT TVs. There is a massive difference in picture quality.
Okay now we have another tier: original hardware andys, CRT andys, SONY PVMs andys.
Videophiles lol
The picture might be more crisp with good geometry but when it comes to my 14" & 20" PVM and my JVC D-series and trinitrons, I go for the D-series every time. The colors don't pop out like they do on consumer sets and I get bored looking at the PVM's.
The HD CRT's out there for sale , at this point, could be nearing their end. Especially if they have been in use since they were bought back in the early to mid 2000s. Certain boards (D BOARD) will eventually fail causing the image to pull down when a static white color screen or red is displayed. Also the color guns might lack some red or certain colors giving the image quality a magenta tint, and that affects the contrast creating more black crush. Finding replacement parts is almost impossible at this point lol probably easier to find the same tv on ebay or craiglist. Please don't spend more than 30 bucks buying something that will become a 200 pound paper weight.
Nah. None of those parts are hard nor impossible to find. Capacitors on CRT TV's can be replaced once the die.
I think not showing off the awesome scanline features of the retrotink on the oled was a big miss. It can make some games so darn pretty.
Wowowowoww.
This video in HDR !!This needs to standard
The 1080i Sony WEGA is the coolest damn TV that's ever almost killed me
I lift 32” crt:s from containers to warehouse pallets in 1999 and it suck. 32” Sony crt weight 75 kg.
@@teemum3313 sony hdm 3830 is a 38" that weighs 180kg
Oh look, a bird.
As someone who regularly switches between using an oled, a Sony pvm. While also using real hardware, software emulation and fpga, I think people get so caught up in believing the only way to experience retro games is what they prefer, and everyone else is a heathen for thinking otherwise.
The truth is, there’s no perfect way to experience retro games today. Every method has its pros and cons.
And when it comes to crt’s, people can argue artistic intent all they like, but I’m pretty sure the main intent on the developers part was for people to play these games.
I swear people spend more time on forums arguing over which is better rather than just playing great games.
Yup, the moment I found emulators, the moment I forgot about the actual hardware, let me enjoy these games on the go on a flashcart or laptop any day. I don't need perfection, I just want good enough so I can enjoy the content.
@@Rikorage yep. For the most part, I just stick to using emulation on my pc these days out of convenience.
It’s good enough where I don’t even notice the difference. Even when compared to fpga.
always surprize me how much linus knows his stuff.
I just bought a Sony CRT which can do 720p. I believe it's a 32". The hype is fucking real. It's amazing! If you didn't grow up with CRT's, you'll never understand. In fact - there are CRT's I have watched stuff on that (I swear) emit some supersonic noise which I find soothing. I used to watch anime on those when I was studying Japanese in college, in the "language lab". It was sublime.
Which one did you buy? If you don't mind :)
@@El_Lobo_Solitario It was a Sony WEGA kd-30xs955. Does 1080i/720, has HDMI and a memory card slot on front. Cost me $30 (really a home removal fee more than a sale).
My grandparents had the 4:3 version of that TV. I remember my mind being blown when I realized it had hdmi on the back of the crt. It start going a little green and they got rid of it. Wish I could have kept it but I was in a small apartment at the time and didn't have space
Like others said, I LOVE this LTT format where someone (staff member) shares something they're passionate about for the video.
Will you make a retrotink 4k video? That thing is amazing!
when a compaq presario we had a 1600x1200 screen in 1999, it was amazing.
CRT dude here, I have to say that the RT5X can be used on that 4K OLED to get results almost indistinguishable from CRT-- and Mike Chi's upcoming RT4K will improve upon that even more.
I'd love to see a new technology that uses something like Lasers against a filtered screen to perform the same kind of scanning effect as a CRT, but in a smaller, more power-efficient manner. Imagine a lightweight display with nigh instantaneous response time, support for many arbitrary resolutions and refresh rates 1:1, and great contrast ratio.
Woooooow! That´s interesting
@@nicomarino96 oled ain't lasers broski
@@nicomarino96 oled has a native resolution unlike crt and non native resolutions look blurry. They still have input lag although it's way lower than lcd
I thought about building a scanning-laser apparatus like that. The issue with any scanning-beam display is image persistence; you'd need to replicate that property of CRT/plasma phosphor coatings to make that happen.
@@RandomUser-tj3mg One nitpick - color CRTs aren't perfect on the native resolution front either. While no scaling is involved, the shadowmask/aperture grille's dot pitch does create a sort of native resolution in and of itself.
I like small trinitron PVMs personally. To play PS1 and older, nothing beats it to me
I have a CRT (just a standard 4:3 SD deal), but I pretty much only use it for retro light gun games.
Not much mention of the CRT's greatest strength. The motion clarity. LCD tech, even OLED cannot compare with the clarity in motion. BFI on OLED helps but even that is not even close.
Nah, backlight strobing on oled is sharp af, it's just too dim.
I tend to find the flicker from BFI on OLED to be worse than CRT flicker too
Having an OLED and using the BFI almost all the time, I would disagree. I find it generally acceptable in comparison, at 60hz. At 120hz I can't tell the difference.
You’re really trying here, but no one is buying it. Trying to convince people that a busted old technology is better than modern technology is a dumb waste of time.
@@NicodemusT Yep, these guys love to convince people how good there messy RGB cable + CRT + original hardware + adapters + video switches is still convineant and better.
I respect CRT's. I grew up gaming with them including on PC, but you're not just buying a CRT in this example / case, with all the extra's that you're needing. Dilutes the experience, over complicates it, rats nest of cables and bulky space. If you own a CRT is your retro corner I totally get it I do that myself, but all this seems extra to accomplish something you don't notice until you put it side by side with one of the best modern TV's you can buy. Also, the guy with glasses says that "Bears don't look sharp in real life, they look blurry" had me rolling.
theyre doing all the extra stuff because they are outputting to three different displays simultaneously... obviously this isn't a regular use case. the only thing you would actually need is the upscaler if you use an hd-crt, to reduce input lag.
Really good software and really nice modern screens will always look better than old CRT's, I think this only really becomes relevant if you have a substandard flatscreen, and then you could conceive to improve it using a CRT. But 99% of the time I would say, nah the flat screen with good quality firmware always wins.
What David was talking about was that the clarity of the image exposed the layering of textures that make up the hair. In the real world, hair isn't made of 5 layers of textures but hundreds of thousands of individual strands.
I hopped on to the crt band wagon when digital foundary made their fw900 vids back in like 2019, and tbh crt only looks better if its an old game, or of course if you have an fw900.
@@DailyCorvid Of course mate and I really hope you don't feel I was shitting on your opinion. I do honestly get the argument and what you are putting forward in the video. It reminds me of talking to my friends about 120Hz monitors when they were niche and expensive (Though understandably comparing oranges and lemons, newer tech is adopted over time so can't be fully compared to judging CRT today.) But I really respect the passion behind the video and the point in this comment is very valid. I personally have an LG G1 for my main gaming and an old Sony Trinitron that I've had since I was born playing Sonic 2 games since I could hold a controller, nothing really competes to playing classic games on it if you can put the time into the set-up.
Thank you for making it finally impossible to argue in good faith that "CRT=no lag". I've been yelling at a blank wall for over a decade pointing out that TVs have had deinterlacers and OSDs for over two decades, but nobody listened (and the people who did often would attempt to mock me). It's sad how there's a certain kind of enthusiast that's actually more likely to be ignorant about the thing they are enthused about due to their blind love for a product. People also claim that there is no ghosting, which is laughable once you remember that phosphor trailing is a thing.
I honestly only sitll have a CRT on hand is because the light guns on the classic systems only work on them.