Fujifilm autofocus firmwares are a mess ( XH2S Firmware 7.0 )
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 16 ก.ค. 2024
- My last video ranting fujifilm autofocus
Applies to XH2 firmware 5.0
XT5 firmware 4.0
XS20 firmware 3.0
0:00 Intro
1:51 They fixed hand detection
2:24 External microphone issue
3:43 16 firmware updates
4:00 KAIZEN
4:24 STILLS TEST AF FW 1 vs 7
7:53 VIDEO TEST AF FW 1 VS 7
13:21 Conlcusion
14:13 XT3 vs XT4 vs XH2S
16:52 Face eye + Multi
17:47 Firmware mess
18:27 Downgrade
19:35 Conclusion 2
20:54 Technical demonstrations
21:08 Same lens on XH2S vs Sony
22:22 Aperture stepping
22:57 Refuses to focus CDAF only
23:28 Focus rack in steps
23:59 XH2S is a nice camera
24:58 Good bye
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Huge shoutout to my amazing girlfriend Lizza who has been incredibly patient (too patient) and supportive, modeling for my tests over the past two months!
We match perfectly , My rants for fujifilm autofocus inspired her to make her own rants in different topics. Check her video out : th-cam.com/video/o9-fCxjrGHc/w-d-xo.htmlsi=y_TdXIgPWBkFUB2g
❤ Honestly , I think I'm better than you at ranting , And I think I'm more tired than you
@@Lizzathegirl You wish fuji girl!
Dude please don’t stop with those videos. We need someone who can show us the real flaws in different cameras. Doesn’t need to be Fuji only
i did not say i'll stop ranting. Only that i'll stop ranting fuji af.
@@edvard2942 Forgive me, I commented before watching the whole video 😅
Maybe also some real world examples (not waving a hand in front of face). My experience is different - and no doubt because my personal use case is different. I don't have my hand around in front of my face much. But I can see I'm not alone. These issues will affect some more than others, but we could all benefit from content actually targetting helping people with the issues.
But what would be far more constructive would be to highlight an issue, and shout about it to the moon if you like, but then equally show people how to make best of it in the meantime.
On my x-t5 (FW 3.01) plus really old FW on 16-55 shooting in the forest with lots of obstacles, I found eye-AF was consistently finding the head, but it thought ears and ventilation holes in climbing helmets were eyes at times. So I just disabled face detect, rather than taking the shot anyway and hoping in actually pressing all the way and hoping it would be ok. With the high speed burst shots, this was of course harder to control.
In this tricky shooting situation with high speed subjects coming towards me and past me through foliage, C-AF the whole time, eye/face most of the time except where I spotted the issue In mentioned, mainly mechanical shutter, I really wasn't going to complain about the 80% hit rate I got, with 97% at least trying to focus on the face and not some other object. Of course I'd much rather that 97% was of actual hits with critical focus. If I'd taken the viktrox 75 I would have had much worse results I'm sure.
I really wanted to compare with the new FW in the same environment, but didn't have enough battery to download it, unfortunately. I beg to differ as it was happy to transfer images to my phone twice the size of the FW file... but it is what it is, maybe another time.
The optical flaws of the 16-55 were unfortunately rather apparent in this environment, but that's another story.
No video so can't really comment on that. Pal2tech's video on it reflects more my experience, and I'm hoping the FW update also.
@@edvard2942 If you stop ranting fuji af, not sure if there's much more you can rant about. Not only that your video share our frustration but they also becoming very entertaining. You definitely deserve more than the 60 bucks youtube has paid you. Thanks for all your efforts and also tell your wife/girlfriend/partner for her willingness to participate in this project of yours. 😂
@@edvard2942 Please keep ranting, I am so close...to switching the system. 😂
"Fujifilm, we don't need you to focus on our subject in the future, we need you to focus on our subject now, in the present." 😂😂😂
Since camera conspiracies dropped Fuji, we’ve been missing these type of rants 😂
toneh
Haha love that guy
This guy will never be invited to Japan.
Not a chance
Bro, FUJIFILM should straight up HIRE YOU to do QA Testing for their AF algorithms. It's INSANE we have to PICK a FW version to stick to an optimal feature.
I have MAD RESPECTS for you, man! I know you care about Fuji because no one is willing to do an in-depth testing for the sake of it.
Its more quick and stress free to simply buy another brand/jump systems.
If only there was someome that would go to these lenghts to test the bird AF on the X-T5.
I love my X-T5, love its design, its tilt screen and the in-camera raw conversion. I don't plan to sell it ever but that does not mean I want FUJIFILM to get stuck in their "look at our pretty colors with inaccurate AF" status.
Guess if I want to do serious birding I will have to look somewhere else. A shame because I have been really tempted to buy the XF 150-600MM.
Keep up the good work. Please test Nikon's AF whenever you can!
Yeah I was thinking of upgrading my 70-300 with 150-600 but no way I am spending a dime on fuji now 😀
@@mrsvetlyimagine getting outfocus blurs at 600mm
the video we've all been waiting for... kinda makes me sad as an x-s20 owner :(
The XS20 was so nice except for the AF. That's why I sold mine last week.
Reviewers "hide" various imperfections for all brands. I have Sony, but those lies or non disclosures of how camera behaves in real world cost me a lot of money as amateur. Imagine if professional has issues with autofocus, hobbyist then will have even exponentially smaller number of keepers.
@@TrekCZ do you have any problems with your sony camera that isn't mentioned by reviewers? i plan to switch from fuji to the a7c ii
@faridbang9851 you must be very careful, Sony a7c ii has also dual processors like a7r v, so autofocus is perfect, but brutal battery drain and heat. A7r v has special heatsink with vents like computers inside yet still burns during normal usage.
@@faridbang9851 Also reviews do not mention enough some features, e.g. a7R V has special white balance sensor in front, which is godsend for hobbyist, because I do not need to fiddle with white balance in camera or Lightroom. This is a game changer for me together with autofocus (and many other things) . But reviews do not mention these things enough.
BEST VIDEO OF THIS PROBLEM. Keep going bashing fujifilm. I had XT3 and sold it for xt5. Everything is good in xt5, except build quality and af.
100% agree. The build quality is noticably worse compared to the 2 and 3 models. It feels more hollow and plastic.
@@JakeChambersOy I honestly think it's largely a case of perceived quality versus actual quality. The x-t2 was riddled with issues, both build quality and internals, the x-t3 was better but then came the x-pro3. And all these cameras "feel" more robust and for some people care about the whole made in Japan thing, but it's not 1985 anymore, it's just marketing. If anything Japan made goods have got worse. The x-h2 has noticeably more heft... but as with previous years, that doesn't necessarily mean more reliable. But the camera to go for you war zone photographers out there.
I hope not to do it too often, but I knocked my x-t5 off a wall 1.5m onto rocks and into a puddle. Did no damage at all apart from a tiny nick on the rubberised coating.
As to build quality that matters, the paint scratches more easily, or just rubs away (on/off switch). But once the first few areas of rubbed off paint appeared, I stopped noticing. But it will upset some. Some have had an issue with the anti-glare on the EVF rubbing off when cleaning it, but Fuji has fixed on warranty and it seems like a bad batch of screens as it's not affecting everyone. I'll take that over screens that need replacing due to dodgy wiring (x-t2 and X-pro3).
As far as the AF is concerned, compare to the x-t2 or 3 and it is much better. But also put a newer lens on those older bodies and they get a boost too. I think what has really moved on is the competition, though, highlighting Fuji's biggest weakness. Mostly if you are used to those bodies. It affects some more than others depending on what you are shooting and how - which some people get very precious about here. But will Fuji ever get to Sony or Canon levels - I doubt it, and it's unrealstic to expect it. It's simply operating on a much smaller budget. It will improve I'm sure, just as it always has. Honestly the biggest thing Fuji could do now is to properly test firmware before releasing, all this negative coverage could have been avoided or at least just limited to the usual why isn't my x100v as fast as my Sony A9 III. And an indication of planned improvements wouldn't hurt either. At some point improvements will be reserved for future models, though, and I think we are approaching that point soon.
The big mystery is why everybody from FUJI and all fanboys are oblivious about this. Maybe they don't care about continues autofocus and only use single for photography
You are very close to the truth. Professionals need the high end AF tools, the amateurs are happy with nice colours and a big ass AF box. Fuji is an enthusiast/travel brand, not many shoot professionally with it, there's the difference.
@@SummersSnaps In a way what you're saying its true but why do they make high end professional products if they are aenthusiast/travel brand?
@@TheNickmoura You mistake the GFX as a high end professional tool, it is not. It is a niche product that serves well in a few limited applications. This does not (broadly speaking) make it a professional tool per se.
@@SummersSnapsI would rather say most professionals don’t need the fancy new stuff that mirrorless cameras brought to the market. It helps but a lot of professionals are still working with Canon 5D Mark III for example and they get great shots.
Subject detection is great for beginners and it helps the pros, but it is not necessary at all times.
Please keep testing more camera brands with the same standards. The camera world needs real critics. Excellent work!
First of all, great job and thanks for showing the reality about the Fujifilm autofocus of the XH2s in the latest firmwares. I have two XH2s and an X-S20 and use them for wedding videography. So it's great that you also go into video autofocus and show its weak points. I'm struggling with the same problems too. I love the cameras for their image quality and the colors, but the catastrophic autofocus drives me crazy... especially at a wedding with many pairs of eyes in the picture, the autofocus jumps around wildly even in area mode. Please don't stop making these videos about Fuji autofocus firmware issues, maybe one day a Fuji engineer will watch these videos and we'll get a "usable" autofocus. PLEASE FUJI, DO YOUR JOB AND GET YOUR VIDEO AUTOFOCUS RIGHT!
sell it and get something like a7cii - small body and supernatural autofocus - i did after dumping h2s and h2 (i endured for fuji image quality but 50% were misses). going to sony the anxiety is gone and those millisecond opportunities can now be snapped with focus images
Good rant buddy! Thank you.
It would be great to see you do another rant when Fuji do the next FW update!
Best video on fujifilm aurofocus ever. Great for realizing that the autofocus performance is different depending on whether MS or ES is used
A moment of silence for my fujifilm homies 😢. I got rid of my a7iii a month ago 💔
Noooo maaaan 😢😢😢 go for It again, this is not going to be fixed in months and maybe years... Until i got a Sony, all were headaches and bad nights...
@jcar4522 TBH the way I use the camera, it works for me. I just wish my camera was as good as the competition 😪 I have missed moments.
Thank You for this disillusioning video. What a mess is Fuji doing with the autofocus. I regret having ab X-H2s bought. The main reason to switch from the X-T 20 was the autofocus…..
Well, because of you I am gonna switch to Sony! I had been considering upgrading from the XT4 to the XH2s, but after watching your videos, I became hesitant due to the significant issues faced with the XT4 as well. :)
You are doing great work, and man those fanboys... I posted some photos on Fujifilm Film Simulation Group to show the beautiful Reggie's Protra, then added rants about the poor eye detect AF on X-T5 with firmware 4.0, and that the Reggie's Protra color profile is the only thing keeping me from ditching Fuji. The comments blew up with many fanboys telling me from only using regular object tracking, to shooting center point AF-S then recompose, to buying a MF film camera with split-image focusing (which I have several since the late 90s). The admin of the group ended up deleting my whole post within half a day.
Thank you for your objectivity and dedication on this subject. My hope is that videos like yours can create enough traction so that Fuji can no longer ignore it or dismiss it as bad faith/unfair criticism. We'll all be happy if Fuji undos the issues with predictive autofocus and introduces actual improvements for an objectively better hit rate.
These cameras can do it, as you demonstrated with the early firmware. It's not an impossible task. We just need Fuji to pay attention and stop messing around so they can go back to the AF basics without the unnecessary and unreliable complications that negatively affect the AF hit ratios (those complications are only any good if they improve things, and clearly they don't). If these videos go viral, the likelihood of us all receiving updates that actually improve things in the AF department increases.
I don’t think the issue is the Xmount itself, well, the newest version of the Xmount. I think the issue is the software for the lenses. All lenses are programmed to communicate with everything from an xpro1 to an xh2s, inheriting all the limitations of that initial mount.
Fuji's dilemma is that it doesn't want to invest in the monotlithic task of updating all previous Xmount bodies and lenses to software that'll work across decade's worth of cameras, while taking advantage of the new tech and not bricking the old bodies that still get so much love and push on Fuji brand recognition. They'll look incompetent, loose face and investors, for this massive lack of foresight.
Thank you edvard for making these issues glaringly obvious to the Fuji community, you'll always be known as the Joan of Fuji. In the end you'll be canonized as a Saint, but for now you'll suffer the wrath of DP bird pics, fanboys and the like. God's speed bro
"Wrath of DP bird pics" hahahhaha bro why you do that to me :D
I don't thinik this is the case, otherwise, Sony would also have the same issues with their older E-Mount cameras.
This is more of a problem with the firmware and software.
Edvard released a video about Fujifilm. Pausing to grab popcorn.
Fantastic video! Well done, you’ve really turned a lot of heads.
Please talk more about the aperture stepping in the future
This is sad. I want to use Fuji. But with this happening for this long... My next camera will not be a Fuji most likely.
Thanks for making this video. I’m a single point shooter and do not use face-eye auto detect. Even when making my TH-cam videos with my X-S20, I do not use face-eye auto detect, just an area box.
For a good reason, I guess 😂😢😂
@@thepirateshoots Absolutely. Because any other way does not work for me. 😂
This why people bashing fuji , selling with premium price but just give us old technology
Can’t believe this is on flagship production models, how is this acceptable!!? These are thousands of dollar worth, clearly Fuji thinks their users are stupid and will accept any shit they give them.
They deserve to fail if this is what they think is acceptable.
Good on you for speaking out and calling out their failures
They should hire you as one of their tester for sure. You are very detailed reviewer and you have done your homework before releasing your vdo. I wish you have xs20 to review too cause it has auto subject selection autofocus.
i am Fujifilm user from last 4 years, you are the voice of our frustration, please don’t disappoint, keep making the videos, if the Fujifilm make better AF in the future,you’re one of the reason,
Keep up the great work! As someone who really enjoys Fujifilm's cameras (am just a hobby photographer), the AF was always a pain for wildlife capture... Hoping Fujifilm hears you and actually works on proper fixes.
Another excellent, honest video. Was thinking about moving up from MFT to Fuji X-H2 or Sony A7R III or IV, but no way I'm going with Fuji now after your videos. Thanks for not holding back with your comments or tests. Hope you manage to earn more money off TH-cam tube to pay off the purchase of the X-H2!
Dude, please don’t stop posting videos. We need you.
I don’t use Fuji AF or talking heads, but would like to.
Really happy you made this final video! As I own the X100VI and it got the same "focus fix" update with 1.11, I did the AF-C tracking test you did with this camera, where I focused on a white cup with a high-contrast logo on the front, and then placed a translucent glass half-way between the cup and the camera... Tracking was fine, but when the box got close to the glass, the X100VI didn't jump to the glass, but instead went crazy and started racking focus CONTINUOUSLY on EVERYTHING in the frame, and since the X100VI's focus motor is also loud, I could hear it going nuts, all while the focus box stayed green on the cup with the logo... Moved the camera further away from the glass, and it settled back down on the cup. Oh, and this was in PHOTO mode, I don't even dare try it in Video mode. Those "people", looking at you CameraObscura and Saving Private Brian on fujirumours on the thread where this new FW was announced, I wonder what you two tools have to say for yourselves now. I'm glad you still like your Fuji's edvard. I still enjoy my X100VI, but that's only the case when I use workarounds to actually get the focus to work, so no consumer who pays this much for a camera with "class-leading AF" in 2024 should be expected to do to get decent shots.
At this point I HIGHLY doubt Fuji will EVER fully correct the disaster that is their AF system, but only time will tell. And oh, you're right, I too have come to hate the word Kaizen, because their marketing teams have butchered it's meaning for the sake of shoving garbage down our throats with the promise of "oh we'll fix it later, we promise".
You are the best fujifilm reviewer. Honest brutal review. I still love my fujifilm cameras but man Fuji needs to get rid of that AI focusing it doesn’t work well.
First... THANK YOU for taking the enormous amount of time to create all your Fuji videos! Without exaggeration, you saved me a minimum $10-$12k considering the cost of the XH2S and lenses. What I most appreciate is your no BS, straight-up and unfiltered observations based on FACTS and first-hand experience. I confess that I may not have an accurate understanding of the TH-cam revenue model but I for one would encourage you to maintain 100% independence from manufacturers and continue to build a loyal (and very grateful) viewer/subscriber base. As I've done with a limited number of TH-cam product reviewers, I gladly buy them SEVERAL cups of coffee when I find their information genuinely helpful. Heck... seems like a pretty fair trade: Saving hundreds, if not thousands of dollars in return for $5, $10 $25 or $50 worth of coffee. PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, don't sell your soul. Keep up this extraordinary work. I'm pretty sure that others will demonstrate their appreciation!!!
Fujifilm should be in the gaming industry, they would fit right in!
fujis entire software team must’ve moved from the gaming industry, they know how to properly get nowhere
Amazing job. Can't wait to see what you do next
Well done, you did the best test on the fujifilm system autofocus .
Dear Fujifilm, please fire the entire software team from your Imaging division, this is ridiculous. Your marketing team is also making false statement about the status of the autofocus. The way to keep the monetary value of the camera sold is not just controlling the production volume, but is to keep improving the camera after it’s sold, this is obviously not the case, it’s getting worse. Please go back to the drawing board and see how to fix this.😡😡😡
I hate the fact that Fujifilm made false statements and created false hope for their loyal customers. I don’t know how difficult to admit the problems and offer official downgrade for people to select whatever firmware makes sense for the way how they use their cameras, while firing existing and hiring new developers to rebuild the AF system and rebuild the trust between Fujifilm and their customers. I’m not a fan boy, but I do own four Fuji bodies and 10 x-mount lenses, I also own Canon RF bodies and lenses.
@@stratopausebut you guys get reala ace!! Yay 🙄🙄🙄🙄
@@Iamtongue I like your videos, please keep doing it. I’m just hobbyist, the AF issue doesn’t affect me much, but it’s frustrating to see how Fujifilm handles the AF issue. Reala Ace is nice but AF is more important for most.
This affects me i want sell my fuji gear and price so low in second hands 😢😢
It's not just software. The processor is the main issue. Firmware will not fix the AF. Nikon had to create the Expeed 7 processor to fix their AF issues. But yeah, they need a whole new engineering dept. Maybe steal some engineers from Sony or Canon.
I was thinking of X H2s... Now am thinking of Z6 III
I usually do birds: photo and video
You will be MUCH better off with that camera and system!
Same price - $2.5k but Nikon has trusted AF
Z6iii, a7iv, Lumix, r6 whatever BUT NO FUJI, i say this as an xh2s owner. Trash. Its a good camera but with that AF its trash, unusable. Dont go for Fuji
Check out OMS - OM1
Yes, I moved to Fuji from Olympus and the AF, the AF didn’t feel faster or better. Gave up bird photography with fuji :(
Another fantastic video Edvard.
I'm not a Fuji fan boy, and I don't shoot video, but I'm finding that continuous AF+face tracking on my X-H2 (so long as you leave eye detect turned off) is now super sticky and get less confused about what it should be focusing on. This a perfect (for me) setting for my kids running about erratically (tracking sensitivity +4, speed tracking sensitivity +2, focus zone switching auto, AF mode set to wide/tracking, and pinpointing your target in the small frame first, and using BBF) etc as let's face it, trying to nail eye AF in that situation isn't really needed.
I'm still finding eye detect very erratic for faster moving objects. At my daughter's sports day in a running race at a 3/4 angle it got focus for the first 2 shots, before jumping into the trees for the next 9. It just refused to come back. For slower or more predictably moving objects it works better.
In short, I'd say it's huge improvement over what we had, but I'm still tired of making excuses. I shouldn't have to configure it every time I want to track something slightly different. All I want to do is point the box at something and have the camera track it. I don't want it to switch to anything else, I don't want it to change its mind, I don't want to have to tell the camera how I think it might be moving. 'See that and follow it until I say otherwise' is all I'd like. If you can't sort out eye AF, don't offer it. I'd rather be stuck with face only and not even have the option of tracking eyes, rather than setting the camera to track eyes and getting nothing but a bunch of blurry shots.
Up until yesterday my Fuji gear was ready to get packed up and shipped out as my OM-1.2 was way more accurate/reliable, but with v6.0 it's been given a stay of execution. For now...
I am thankful that you made these videos. And please be reassured- your English is perfectly fine. Thank you for being the voice us Fuji lovers needed! Please keep it up and maybe we’ll get halfway decent focus in a few more years 😂
Love these videos man. What I appreciated most is that you're willing to bring this to their and our attention and then at the end give the camera it's flowers. They are good cameras. But the autofocus is absolute buns compared lol. I wanted to upgrade my xt-3 but seeing that my autofocus is near this makes me not want to at least not get. Probably won't now until the camera stops working. It gets the job done and I can do my videos on it perfectly fine. If I get enough jobs to upgrade it'll just be my b cam now.
keep your xt3, not worth to upgrade
I think maybe Fuji addresses issues based off of sales. I don't think the XH2s or XH2 sold as well as they had hoped and they just don't put the time in to fix the issues. The XT5 did sell well, but they have moved onto other cameras, like the X100VI. I also still think like you, that PDAF is not working right in these cameras. There is no way to fix that AF with firmware. Their X-Speed 5 processor just isn't what they said it was. Maybe in future cameras they will catch up by developing a good processor. If more people like you do not speak up, Fuji will continue to release cameras for the hipsters, and just pretend the AF isn't a problem. I've already seen a small TH-camr refer to your videos and his excuse was "I only shoot landscape so eye AF isn't important to me". That's how Fuji fanboys are reacting. If you only use zone or pin point AF, with no subject detection, you can get about the same AF as a typical CDAF camera. But the fact that Fuji pushed the XH2s as "just as good as Sony" and "you don't need full frame now" while giving us really poor AF, is a testament to what Fuji really cares about. No amount of Film SIms, video functions or ergonomics, or frames per second will ever overcome the horrid AF. Fuji is more aimed at street photographers, and that's the lane they should stay in. Leave actual professional cameras with good AF to Sony, Canon and Nikon. I'll never get the 2 years I wasted on the Fuji system back.
I vehemently disagree with your last point. The Film Simulations are incredible for all types of photography.
Why should FUJIFILM just stick to please street photogs after releasing fast lenses and even super-telephoto lenses?
They MUST improve their AF, it would be such a tragedy that they just shove it all under a rug.
@@lionheart4424 I don't get the whole film simulation shit. I can literally go to LR or C1 and make the image look exactly the same as on the film sims with a single click
@@lionheart4424 Film Sims are fine if that's your thing. I used them for 2 years. However, it is the biggest reason people use the system. I never hear people talk about the amazing AF, it's always "the film simulations keep me in the system so I deal with the shortcomings". I dealt with it myself. I got some amazing shots with the XH2s, XH2 and XT-5. But Fuji claimed from day one that the XH2s AF was as good as Sony and that we didn't need FF. That was false. It was "ok" out of the box, but got worse over time. My many years old Sony A9 was as good or better than the XH2s. I do hope they get it figured out, but it will not happen with current models using firmware updates. They need a new processor. If you don't need the subject detection to work, Fuji is just fine. I couldn't justify a $2500 body to have such bad AF though. The new Nikon Z6III is also 2500.00 and blows the XH2s out of the water. Fuji should heavily discount these models and revamp their processing power.
@@mrsvetly they will never be "exactly" just a very close approximation, but I get your point. The magic for most is that the FilmSims can help you bypass the use of LR/C1 unless you really need to develop RAWs to squeeze dynamic range or do stacking of images in a more competent fashion.
I primarily photograph dogs with the XH2s. My problem with the autofocus is that it initially focuses on an eye, but later I see on the computer that the plane of focus is on the nose. Does anyone else have this problem?
i did before i sold camera. get a Sony or canon , when it locks focus its real. on fuji even when it said it had focus when i went home it wasnt so half the shots were blurred or focused on wrong area even with dogs still and box focused on eyes.its a joke and they cant fix it or it would have happened p.s i sold both x-h2 and x-h2s because i loved the body and images so much
this has been the case on XH2 as well
I have tested it on the H2 on a small mice breed. It was not very close up. There are a lot of missed photos but more are in focus than not, so I am happy about the results. Could be better, but it is better than with the T4, as there is no dog detection and it would be more difficult. FW 3.0 for me.
Thank you! Please keep going, this is very important for us
I'm so glad you brought up the sloth analogy! I saw a few TH-cam videos claiming AF being fixed with v7.0 and they're either using static objects, or moving super slow - none of which applies to real world scenarios that the X-H2S is being marketed and priced for. Just ridiculous! One guy even used a narrow aperture (I'm guess somewhere around f8) as he was trying very hard to please Fujifilm I guess. Thanks always for keeping it real!
Really appreciate all your work to keep Fujifilm accountable. The fanboys will always be too dumb to realize that they are at a loss themselves if they keep blindly supporting the brand instead of demanding quality.
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Don't stop documenting AF and other firmware bugs, as long you haven't sold your Fujifilm camera (as I have done with half of my Fujifilm equipment - XH2 and 4 lenses - not trusting them anymore).
Just show the settings, especially the AF C options. Fujifilm forces every user to fiddle around with these settings, which means missing a lot of shots.
Including shutter release setting and lenses used.
I'm sorry but as a 100% fanboy of fuji system, I have point, that you are focusing on details, while completely ignoring biggest topic of latest firmware update - film simulation. LOL just kidding. Good video. I was going to say, that even my old XT3 had better AFC tracking, without those fancy subject recognition feat, when it was setup right. LOL On XT5 i have moments, where it hunts around subject, completely ignoring it and than "focusing" on nothing, leaving everything in frame outside focus.
Not to mention, that XT5 struggles to focus on patterns, where XT3 had no issues with it. For instance, fabric threads.
You’re a gifted video maker. Don’t stop making videos. I’m sure your channel will grow, regardless the topics you choose.
Thank you for keeping the pressure on Fujifilm. It seems that if someone want a newer camera to use for anything that moves much quicker than a turtle, Fujifilm might not be the best choice. 😞 I use X series and GFX series, but I am considering a move away from X series to Sony for photographing moving subjects and video.
I encourage you to do that... You will never miss Fuji. No more out of Focus pics or clips. The worst decission of my Life has been moving from Sony to Fuji. The best, buying a6700
I laughed so hard at the eye boxes flying all over the frame LOL
Hey Edvard. You just got yourself a subscriber (I also joined your channel) Its been 30 minutes since I have explored your channel. You are the reviewer that people need. The bigger channels what the COMPANIES need. You deserve all the consumer support! I believe yours will be one of the biggest camera review channel in YT. Thanks bro.
Hello , Thank you for the support! I will review any cameras I can get my hands on but I dont expect to receive any haha
I am a xh2s user, and i love you so much🫶🏼
Thank you for making videos to tell the issues about the xh2s🫶🏼
cheers buddy, your English is great...loved the camera when 1st got it which was when it 1st came out, now I HATE THE THING!!
The same. That's why I sold it some months ago. I'm an enthusiast and have used Fuji X-H2s for a hobby, but AF is funny
Edvard thank you for the video, I am also in contact with fujifilm in Turkey and we are talking about these issues I have had this week over the phone. But you are right, I should also prepare a video for the turkish audience hoping that they will also take an action.
I believe these auto focus issues can be fixed, yet Fujifilm isn't doing everything they could.
Thanks fot doing that. Doing the same with Fuji Spain. Seems the only way they try to do something.
I sold my Fuji XH2 and around 7 lenses based on your videos and findings. Bought a Nikon Z8 with 2 professional lenses in their place. I traded in a camera shop and the value for the Fuji stuff was relatively high so I didn't lose that much. The Nikon is quiet a bit bigger, so I miss the fuji for being smaller, but that is about all. If fuji make a new lens mount and really catch up with the other brands in all areas, I will probably buy one as my daily carry around. Something like the X100VI I guess. But maybe Nikon will release something similar before then, and I'll get that instead. The Nikon ZF is not quiet it for me yet
Where did you trade yours? I am about to do the same
This needs to find its way into the CEO of Fujifilm's inbox!!!
Great work! It’s crazy that’s there is such a change in performance. I have an xt5 and I’m positive its autofocus has been performing worse with the latest updates. They really need to fix these issues. Thanks for clearly showing them!
Great video man! Very well put together and honest. I’m in a tough spot right now personally because I like the image quality so much but the AF is not acceptable. I’m looking at a z6iii but I feel like it lacks dynamic range for video. I like the fx3 but I need prores. I feel like I might wait for a s1hii or just get the fx3 because it has a ton of convenience features. Either way we cannot stop talking about this fuji issue. I’ve had mine for well over a year now and I will be taking a big hit in value selling it.
Have been waiting for your video on the new firmware! And it's still disappointing, oh Fuji lol
Fuji colors are great, but it's too late. After all these mess, I switched to A7IV 😂 I don't bother waiting for the 7.0 Update and I don't regret even after it has been released. Best decision ever although I missed Fuji colors.
I’m a longtime Fujifilm shooter and I can honestly say that these latest firmware updates are disappointing. Before the latest firmware updates, I used to use my XH2 to shoot my friends TH-cam videos with f1.4 and f1.2 lenses and it performed well. With my latest test on the most recent firmware updates, the performance and reliability has dropped significantly. Since these issues have occurred, I now rely on my Sony ZV-E1, and Nikon Z8 for video, but I still use my XH2 for photography with zero issues.
I bought the XT-5 as an all round camera, but I find myself shooting mostly my dog, and the animal AF is awful. It focuses on the nose most of the time, and when I shoot my dog running, even at 1/2000 I get his tail in focus, like there’s some sort of delay. Sometimes I get 0 frames in focus.
I’ve stopped using the animal detection for this reason. I get much better results using zone focusing or single point.
Damn.... this video is so valuable.
Never used tracking. Never liked how it behaved. Single point all the time. No eye af. Still focussing issues. Especially with low light. Switched back to sony. Even a7iii a 6 year old camara, is Lightyears better in focusing than the xt5.
You are spot on. Sold my stuff in the top of the hype. Will buy back when they fix AF and have better zooms. Still love the colours and the experience
I told you I wasn't expecting much from this update. I have no trust in anything "firmware" fuji puts out anymore. It seems they're on a mission to loose customers and completely destroy our cameras, and with every new firmware, they get a step closer to accomplishing that mission. Honestly, I'm tired. 💔
best bit of advice I can give is sell up while things are still worth money.
Perhaps there is a hidden competitor employee in their company who is successfully doing his job to discredit fujifilm, for further transition to other systems.
@@chectorr7895 but let's be honest - he did the good job up to now :) and Fuji's chefs looks like they are impot... non-professional at all.
I have a couple of X-T3s and XH-1s and was considering trading them in on an X-H2 and X-H2s...
Nope.
Z8 or Z9 here I come.
Bye bye Fuji
@@1bozina Check out Jared Polins video on that Z6III before you buy - cool camera for sure but the system got also some issues with his tracking - AF hunting jumping back and forward also the Z8/9 i do not want to bash this cameras it is just something to mention because many ppl go sell their stuff buy some other brand and are dissapointed again because of this. All these cameres no matter if it is fuji or nikon or what ever - they all cost a lot of money and it should work the way it is marketed.
The video demonstrating the progression between firmware "upgrades" was really telling, and I was waiting to see how this latest firmware would fare. There's a lot to like about Fuji, but man they make it difficult to be one of their users. I've started selling off my Fuji gear and transitioning over to Nikon (for reasons other than just the AF, but this certainly didn't help).
If that box flies away to the background in an extreme test , In a normal moving subject the box will maybe jump on the ear/eyebrow so same story , It will still not focus on the eye in some situations. Still bad joke firmware. We dont need you fuji to predict the future, If you dont see an eye, focus on the face/head. We dont want you to predict anything. Im gonna predict when fuji af will be good. 2030.
2030. By that year maybe Blurryfilm doesnt exist anymore 😅
Very optimistic
Nope. Someone told us it's about the X-mount, and signal transmission speed, it's a slow one. So, I've lost all my hope unless there will be a "new X-mount", but all my lenses will not be compatible.
I have an X-H2, don’t use face/eye autofocus. Just zone focus…. Just how I learned when I got my first mirrorless camera. But man… this is BAD. They need to figure this out. Thank you for making this video
great work man , hopefully fuji sees this and be a wake up call for them
please don't stop trolling fujifilm for that! I bet only videos like that could push fuji to improve.
Awesome video edvard. At this point, I'm ready to send money to help you carry on such tests!
I tried the remote test with my Fujifilm X-E1 (XC 35mm f2 at f2) and it behaves the same as the XH2S, and faster too 🙃. What is Fuji is thinking about???
They are thinking about AF Really Shit... I mean Reala Ace, sorry 😅
Thx man for all your videos and huge effort. What you did is amazing. You simply showed that Fuji will let their customers with completely fucked up AF rather than switching back to much better 1.03 fw, because it is so embarrassing admitting that they are joking with their customers who pays 2500 usd for xh2s which is price of z6 m3. This is so crazy. Only one of very popular youtube channels admitted this as well, all others, including pal2tec are silent. Thx once again!!!
Está claro que hay un problema importante con los firmwares de Fuji. Tengo la X-H2s y siempre he tenido la esperanza que el AF funcione como otras marcas. Gracias por tu vídeo.
Hola Luis. Sí, hay un problema con el firmware. La cámara puede llegar a enfocar bien, de eso no hay duda porque la 1.03 funciona. No creo que pueda llegar a enfocar mejor que en esa versión pero al menos sabemos que funciona. El problema es que de ahí a que el fw esté a la altura, pueden pasar meses o años... Hace poco me pasé a Sony y de lo único que me arrepiento es de no haberlo hecho antes. Desde el minuto 0. De todas las marcas, elegí Fuji.... Qué mierda de dinero malgastado...
thank you saved me from upgrading to the xh2s. will wait until fuji fixes its shit or just gonna sell all the stuff and switch brand if Fuji keeps being hopeless like this. sad I really like fuji and loved it for years but this is just pathetic.
Exactly what I'm going to do! I love Fuji, film sims, colors, etc. It brings joy and soul to photography and videography in ways other brands don't, but these autofocus issues are too much to ignore anymore when literally everyone else got it right at this point.
Dont wait Fuji fix this shit, i think they are as lost as their AF... They cant or dont know how to fix It. Just jump to another brand. Im happier than ever with Sony. And guys, please, dont believe in that "color science, film simulation, vintage true photography soul" slogan that Fuji lies about. The soul in photography is the soul you put in there, no Matter what camera do you use
As a photographer who daily used the Nikon F2as and F3 with zero autofocus, I use mostly manual or S still to this day. I own the XPro 1-3, and bought the XT5 40mp since the XPro 4 is not out yet. Glad I’m not a slave to any AF whatever the brand is…
Idk man , my 600$ nikon zfc almost never misses my eye at f1.4 no matter how fast i move in video. Crazy how far fuji is. Thank god for your videos i didnt upgrade to this system
Even Olympus is better some how
@@OnlyCitrus if that's the case ..😂
great video, can confirm that in multi mode I have almost the same issue with my x-e4. so the problem could be more complex than only the latest generation cameras.
thanks for your tip about using multi + eye detection I'll try that, my tests with x-e4 in multi mode was not acceptable and I'm not using it at all, I'll try now.
but I don't get why you would not do any new videos about fuji af problems, that's quality content here (my main job is sw developer, and I agree with your points)
So please, continue on doing those type of videos, comparing af from different camera manufactures, where set fuji af as a benchmark, very funny benchmark you now.
pls continue testing, also not only Fuji but also other cameras if you have a chance
Hi, thank you for your work. I've seen some other youtubers and their test also prooft that V7 is even worse than V6. Tracking in video is not working. It's really a shame and I wish I had not invested all my money in fuji system. If I could afford it I would chance to sony.
I encourage you to do that. A6700 would never miss a clip or a shoot with that kind of ridiculous out of focus thing
It is not worse than v6, Its the same + they fixed the eye issue where it will ignore it and focus on chin or what's closer to the camera.
Edvard, what would you do now? Are you going to stay with Fuji or switch to something else, like the Z6 III?
Going to miss the rants about AF.
Would be awesome if you got a Sony A7RV or something similar and did some rants on that, would make some of us feel better about our Fujifilm purchase 😂
(I now wish I kept my A7IV)
All this crap makes me EXTREMELY happy I've stuck with my trusty, and MASSIVELY reliable A7R III as my main workhorse camera!
This is straight up embarrassing 🙈
Nobody in the history of TH-cam ever did such a comprehensive AF test on Fujifilm. And the known "influencer" Fuji shills keep praising this shit or don't say anything at all. Im really curious what pal2tech will put in his upcoming video besides smiling and jokes. Or Roman Fox, or that Reggie guy... :D
I've seen Roman be critic with some aspects of the xh2s but yes, i would like to see him talking about this. Im not expecting anything from Pal2tech. Only subscribed to see when a new upgrade cames. I think he is trying to get paid from Fuji and he should... No bad words ever to the brand, thats why i prefer watching Edvard. Even CineDailies or imtongue are here complaining
Pal2tech just praised fuji on autofocus lol
@@YannickKhong my gosh... I would never understand this kind of behaviour
@@YannickKhongReally? There goes his credibility.
That pal2tech fool must get lots of money from Fuji, the ultimate fanboy.
First wedding now with a7RV. Photo and video even in worst light dancing stuff-> Crazy hitrate.
That Sony runs on some parallel universe stuff man
When I used xt30 I needed to assign 4 custom buttons just for the focusing system (face eyeaf on/off; zone and area mode; sensitivity and speed; back button af so it doesn't hunt) oh including the MF/AF switch when none of those work then there would be 5 in total. When that camera only has three custom buttons and the quick menu cannot touch.
Thank you for this extensive AF firmware review. Fujifilm must start by removing the predictive algorithm first.
Glad you made an update on this firmware. We were planning on to move from Sony's ecosystem to diversify in case one company goes wrong, much like Fujifilm's case
I was thinking of trying Fuji, but your video came out just in time to the point we're gonna be looking for other next choice: Lumix.
I love fuji personally for hobby but for professional work is definitely not.
Thanks again edvard, and good point on the "prediction" part of the hardware.
Excellent work! Please continue!
Apparently it's time to create a petition demanding fujifilm, to make a normal autofocus. Distribute it to all resources to increase coverage and send the results to their office. I can't understand why they can't make it work, let them fire the programmers who fail to do their job time after time.
Maybe there doing their best already but just don’t have the technology. As a consumer just vote with your wallet. The Nikon Zf is fantastic I made the switch.
Regarding the microphone gain issue, it also drove me insane but I found out that when you restart the camera it just takes the audio settings from the photo modes, so if you set your gain there as well then you'll have consistent gain when restarting. It's a dumb und unnecessary workaround but it works, but how the original issue hasn't been fixed is beyond me.
Thanks for those videos Edvard. Shame on you fUJI... I am glad that I did not update my X-S20 to 2.01 and I am not planning to update to 3.0 too. I will update it when You record the next video saying that Fuji AF is good enough... so probably never again. I have my X-T3 for photos and both X-S Fujis for video, bunch of lenses and do not want to switch systems but if they will not start listening their customers complaining on those serious issues, they will loose current and future market share within few years...
thank u for this video, I love fuji image, but the have to fix the AF
All this x100vi money and they can’t even fix the firmware!! 😤🤬
Wait, X100VI has some critical bugs?
@@infantfrontender6131same AF so... You can figure It out 😅
Good job! You asked what the next video should be, I ask for a video on the Panasonic S5 II/IIx! Thank you!
I just want to say your English is fantastic and you are easier to understand than most people.
Glad to hear that
Thank you for your video, this is important to put the light on these issues, I am currently thinking about changing for Sony because of AF performance (I only practice photography, no videos)
How to download old firmware update ? I want to download 1.03 but on Fuji's website only the last one is available to download isn't it ?
a big slap to some of the fuji Touts who are against this guy's honest critics
I cant thank you enough I realy believed that Xh2s has done some job on AF. You saved me good amount of money. Thank you thank you thank you. Yes you have accent but as long you know what you talking about it doesnt matter. Look at me I dont even know how to write in english hahaha. If I could tell you I would continue in testing AF of other cameras. And when Fuji brings new firmware test even that. I think you can see your self how much people like your job. What about Panasonic Sh2x did they realy improved the AF or Sony or Canon is their AF so good. I am telling you there is so much qustions unanswered. Compare AF and find the best AF for each year people will love it.
It's about time Fuji supporters stop giving Fujifilm, AF immunity, and finally make them accountable.
I hope someone from Fujifilm watch this video