Canon EOS R1 Preview: Sorry Canon…This ISN’T the “FLAGSHIP”
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This is a preview of the Canon EOS R1 Flagship Camera. Canon calls this a flagship, but it’s hard to call it that when it’s more of an update to the R3. Now that doesn’t mean it’s a bad thing, it just means it’s not as “flagship” spec wise as many were expecting. I had a chance to preview the camera for a few hours on a press trip in Phoenix Arizona.
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When you compare the specs of the Nikon Z9, Sony a1, Sony a9 III to the R1, there’s good and there’s not so good. I point everything out in this video. I will tell you it has the greatest Auto Focus in the history of auto focus. But does it fall short of what a flagship has been in the past?
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I wanted to take a second to talk about the megapixels real fast. As I said in the video, I am perfectly fine with 24. I pointed out making 4 feet by 6 feet prints from 12 megapixel cropped sensor Nikon's without issue. Mind you I do not crop my images. When I talk about megapixels or flagship vs not flagship, I am looking at a comparison to what's in the market already. Nikon has a 45 megapixel Z9, Sony as a 50 megapixel A1 and a 24 megapixel A9 III. My statements are based on comparing what's out there to what is exactly in front of me with the R1. If the R1 was standing alone 5 years ago, we would be having a different discussion.
Now lets talk about me calling it the R3 Mark II. There's absolutely nothing wrong with the R1 and if it were calling an R3 Mark II I would have been totally fine with that based on the upgrades. The R1's bigger body doesn't impress me and I don't think in this day and age it impresses everyone else. I don't want to see Canon make a tiny dinky body, but the R3 body was light, rugged and fit amazing in the hands. Sony on the other hand doesn't have any big bodies whatsoever and pros continue to use them in extreme shooting situations.
There are pros and cons to every system. As I stated in the video, the R1 has the best auto focus in the history of auto focus. The action priority mode was mind blowing period. The EVF amazing. The high-iso image quality, at least based on jpegs out of the camera is fantastic. That's the difference between higher megapixel bodies like the R5 II and the R1. 4000 on the R1 and 4000 on the R5 II are going to be completely different. Because the R1 is 24 megapixels, you're going to be getting extremely clean files at higher ISO ranges. But for me, it's about that 4000-8000 range. If 4000 and 8000 look like 2000 and 4000 of the R3, that's impressive. We have to wait and see that when we get production units.
My harshness in certain situations is based on waiting so long for certain features that a flagship would have, but they end up being half baked. 40 FPS is great, it's more than enough, but an a9 III can do 120 RAW. Pre Shooting is great, but why can't I dial in how many shots I want. That's where my harshness lies. You can say, but it will be updated in firmware, but i can't preview based on future possibilities, I can only look at what it can do today. What it can do today is still amazing and the pros that use it will love it. I will be using an R1 over a R5 Mark II. Better EVF, better AF, faster shooting, more pre-shots if needed, bigger bolder body. That all works for me.
For people with R3's it's a tougher sell. IT's a worth while upgrade as I say in the video, but each photographer needs to make their own decision. Some want more megapixels to crop and I don't agree with them. I don't think they are needed, relying on cropping and more megapixels is lazy in some situations. I understand in other's they feel they need to crop, but if you want the cleanest best frame, don't crop.
There's a lot more videos in the works, comparisons, AF reviews and such. I just wanted to come on here and make sure people understand where I'm coming from in this video. As a photographer who so happens to also make youtube videos, I have to point out the good with the bad as well as paint the picture for the people who want to know. I give you my thoughts based on real life experiences and you can decide what you'd like to do from there.
I can't wait for the R1 to land in my hands. I also can't wait for a firmware update to bring the things you would expect to be in a flagship at launch.
Oh yea, many people will bitch and complain in the comments about how bad the R1 is for this reason or that reason. Yet they don't own an R3, have no intention or ability to get an R1, but somehow feel slighted by canon. The people who need this video, know who they are.
Yep, this is a flagship camera in the Canon's lineup and I would also expect to see ALL features that are already on the market as long as those features can coexist. R1 does sound like a very well-upgraded R3 Mark II.
The camera is great, that's for sure. But the fact that it can be compared with a9m3 in a lot of ways and that a9m3 beats this camera on some features already kinda disappoints the 'flagship' claim.
It's a great and capable for sure...but it falls short when compared to Z9 and A1...we kind of knew Canon was in trouble when Z9 came out as it beat out the R3...how else can they make the R1 better without killing off their other models and video/cinema line...if you're in the Canon bubble this R1 release is perfectly fine.. but with what's out there...yikes...
@ConfusedAstroStation-mb2ch It took awhile for the Z9 to catch up to the R3. Out of the box it wasn't on par.
@@ConfusedAstroStation-mb2ch i would still take a R3 over a Z9 any day of the week.
@@froknowsphoto I expected low MP count but I would have guessed at least in the 28-30 range. But I totally agree thst 24 is completely fine. My R6 Mk II's photos are every bit as good as my R5.
I already know that Jared is not going to get the recognition he deserves for being brutally honest even though he uses Canon everyday to make his bread and butter. You will see so many other content creators beat around the bush. 😊 Jared gives it to you straight and I appreciate that. Although I can understand why Nikon has there apprehensions lol
I dunno if you read the comments everyone is agreeing with Jared myself included. Definitely liked that this wasn’t just some advertisement video like the others are.
Facts
I think you’re dead wrong on that take by reading…. well… every single comment lol
True. Sycophants list very underwhelming specs at an eyewatering price point with a straight face and not once mention how completely underwhelming it is. Certain people do not rubbish anything, leading me to believe that they are worried they won't be sent free stuff to review if they give negativity on their products. Why anyone would buy this would be a more money than you know what to do with scenario.
@@ArcanePath360honestly, the only underwhelming spec is the megapixels for the sensor and people want more FPS (for some party trick they use to brag to their photo buddies that their camera can do it and is better than everyone else’s). That’s literally what everyone is so upset about! When you break everything else down this camera it’s a perfectly good upgrade for the price of professionals that are going to be using it. I repeat, Megapixels and FPS are literally the only things people are really upset about. 😂
So, they released the R1 and called it R3, and now they released R3 II and calling it R1
It's pretty hilarious actually.
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Yeah 😂 but look on the bright side… there’s probably going to be changes in the marketing team soon! 😂
Congratulations Canon. This is the biggest, heaviest and most expensive 24MP camera in the world.
It's got compete with the new Olympus M1 ;-)
Im ok with 24mp. But we are at the ~21mp range for the past 15 years and it still feels a bit underwhelming.
@@brucedeo1981 the mid 20's MP count is due to the flagship cameras normally being made for thousands of images so they keep the MP low so you have a better buffer
@@tybolster9274 i understand that but memory density and speeds have improved drammaticaly the past 10 years. I believe it has to do with keeping up fast read-out speeds and FPS and less with memory or buffer limitations.
@@tybolster9274 and better performance in low light ;)
when I heard Peter Mckinnon describing the specs for this camera I was like "welp!... my hype to buy this camera is gone".
yeah me to XD i go for the r5 mkII
Literally just an R3 mark ii. Might as well get the R3 for $1,800.00 usd cheaper because its price tag is at $4,500.00 usd right now.
Same
Yeah he didn’t seem excited for the R1. He seemed way more hyped about the R5 MK ii.
I'd just go for the R5 II really.
Can't believe we waited 4 years for this
And now, imagine wait more 4 years for the " revolution R5 mark III " in 2028 ?
I think the R5 etc had to pay themselves off first. R&D is not cheap..but it is a upgrade in every way
Sony a93 more better 😂😂😂😂
@@Wechat-sw1rv 😂 gramatically incorrect and not so correct on you comparison imo 🫨
value wise nikon z8 shits on everything else
I've started a drinking game and taken a shot everytime you say "Flagship". I'm now absolutely stoned.
Jared never said "flagship" himself, he was just citing Canon several times...😇
Now get sober.
@@Glaucidius He said the word "Flagship" about 50 times throughout the video. Not specifically stating that this was indeed a Flagship camera, but merely referencing the fact that Canon themselves are calling it a Flagship and so Jared parroted what Canon said throughout the entire video multiple times, but I didn't not specifically state that Jared himself believed it was a Flagship camera, he actually made it very clear through the video that he disagrees with it being called a Flagship as it lacks a lot of featured that people have come to expect from Flagship cameras. Check yourself before you wreck yourself 😉
@@Glaucidius You must be fun at parties.
@@ko300zx😂
@@GlaucidiusHe said flagship many times not quoting Canon
Can't believe we waited 7 years for this
Absolutely. Canon is done
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@@Arial-up5zx They are dooomed!
@@Arial-up5zx Oh please. Spare us the freaking hyperbole. It's a fantastic camera for the audience it serves.
Sounds like an excellent R3 mkII. What's remarkable is how completely overblown and wrong all the rumors were. This is really unique to Canon, Sony and Nikon Rumors are mostly spot on.
It is an R3 Mark 2. Canon fumbled their lines and buckled to public pressure
Not for me. I heard 24 mega pixel for a long time. I fully believed that to.
At this point, Jared doesn't need to give us a real world review of the R1. We already got it with teh R3 and the R1 is literally an R3 mark ii.
I'm sure you'll see alot of R1 and R3's at the Olympics
@@xoacatl because Canon is going to lend the cameras out to photographers. They have been doing it for years and will continue to do so.
After reading these comments from Canon users, it’s crazy to see how us Nikon users did a 180 in how we feel about the company, opposite of canon users. I fucking love my Z8.
I love Canon. People like to sit in computers and whinge. People actually taking photos don’t care about this stuff.
Me too mate, my Z8 and Z S Lenses has changed my whole photography way of life for the better.
agreed, this is why i've made the swicth to Nikon
Well Nikon was dragging their feet for those first couple generations of mirrorless bodies, before the Z9.
@@Jviotr after the Z9 it was a 180
What a turntables. The last time a flagship camera got in this situation, it was the Nikon D6
at least everyone knew d6 is a dinosaur and it is going to be the last DSLR... this is a mirrorless, which is the current technology for foreseeable future..
DSLR are gold, a relic, yes.
That camera body should really have been named the D-5 Mark ll. I think Nikon was trying to make their last flagship DSLR a 6 to match their last film flagship film camera body, the F-6.
Motorsports photographer/videographer here. As much as people have their thoughts about the 24mp, I've been able to see the upscaling power of the R5 Mark II so far and the difference is absolutely indistinguishable between the regular image, and the upscaled version, the sharpness and clarity is maintained, just at a 10k x 16k resolution image, I was insanely impressed. I actually see this as a benefit for the R1, because I can keep the speed I want to make sure I never miss a shot, BUT I'm able to pick and choose the images I want to upscale in-camera. This saves me card space, hard drive space, allows me to have more opportunities for "winner" images, etc.
I totally understand the initial wincing at 24MP, absolutely. But there's more to consider than the face-value resolution you get, being able to upscale ONLY the images I care about to 96MP to send over to clients asap without really any quality loss is phenomenal, and is mostly what I want in "my" toolkit.
So spot on, my friend. People griping about this camera are doing so for one single spec. The hyperbolic drama is laughable.
Canon wouldn’t be so severely judged if not for their pricing. This is being released at $700 more than the Z9 and $300 more than the a9 III. At $5500 the R1 (R3ii) would be competitive.
At this price Canon is shooting themselves in the foot. Again..
It’s odd because the R5ii is so good.
How? It's $6,299 and people said it was going to be $7,499
@@contentm3893 People also thought it was going to be a 50mp monster. Instead its closest competitor is a second tier Sony.
@@contentm3893 and in sweden the R1 goes for 9200 USD 😅
In Sweden it costs 8700 USD, that is 2900 USD more than the Nikon Z9.
the a9 III is 6K
Everything you said at the end is spot on Jared! As an R3 owner, I was hoping for more megapixels too. Especially as a “flagship.” This is just kinda underwhelming and I was hoping for more. Definitely feels like an R3ii.
It’s disappointing that’s for sure. It really should have the R5 II sensor or perhaps a global shutter 24mp sensor.
It’s been a long wait for this camera to come out and it feels really underwhelming. The R5 II on the other hand looks great and I would love to upgrade my R5 to it.
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Yeah, since the Sony A1 flagships just need to be cameras that do everything well. Resolution, speed, noise, video ... In my mind this is the R3 markII and Canon still doesn't have a flagship.
@@noenken Got the A1 from the first day of sales, and still, after 2 years, I'm not dissapointed, and with every new camera announcment like these, I feel like I really invested in Innovations and futureproofness. Thats why I love Sony, their flagship cameras last for long in terms of specs and performance, and you get those hardware innovations first.
R1 is a big disapointment. That's an R3 Mark II.
Wouldn’t shock me if they discontinued the R1 & made the R1 mk2 😄
This is for all of those people who say Jerod is brutal on just Nikon. Jerod is brutal on all cameras that he thinks are not quite up to what they should be!!!
He has done this to Nikon, Sony, and Fuji. Nikon didn't ban him, like Tony Northrup they respected him enough to improve their cameras.
Jerod praised the Z9, Z8 and Z6III where they should be praised and he criticized the prior Z series as it needed to be.
This is what should be expected of by us all and what reviews and previews should be without all of the fan boy nonsense.
Nikon totally broke canon when they came out with a shutterless 45mp, 8k raw video camera for cheaper than r3, 3 years ago... that totally threw a wrench in their plans!
Ah yes. The company that took three camera generations to get AF right broke Canon….
Yes, that exact company comoletely destroyed Canon's plans, so much so that Canon "didn't release their flagship mirrorless" ever since the switched from dslrs. It's pretty embarrassing for Canon, actually @@darrow_andromeda915
LOL….8K and 45mp started in 2020 with original R5…..Z8 came out in 2022! 😂
@@vivalasvegas702 You mean that camera that could shoot 8k but it was almost useless because it didn't know what to do with all the heat? 😂
@@urosjovanovic3142 through FW updates, overheating of original is fixed(non issue now). But Nikon’s AF problems(tracking) can’t be fixed through FW updates. The problem is hardware, not enough points with x-types. Nikon sucked in film era(2nd to EOS), then Nikon sucked again in DSLR era(2nd to EOS), and now it still SUCKS in mirrorless era(3rd behind 2nd Sony). 😭😤😡
There was so much hype over the last year that the R1 would be The Camera for ALL Pro Photographers. The difference between 30 & 40 fps is negligible, but the addition of MP can open all kinds of doors. I've been happy with my R3, but very eager for the R1 because I thought it would give me options. Why couldn't there have been a stepped system built in to the R1, similar to Leica's SL series? Select your resolution from 3 choices with corresponding fps for each. We could all have won with the R1.
Hitting the nail on the head, so disappointed by Canon... Pre-ordered it because I'm locked in to RF glass, but regretting not switching to Sony who actually is pushing it more technologically when I went EF/mirrored->RF/mirrorless
What´s wrong with the R5 II? It seems quite amazing. As a Nikon user, I am considering it.
@@mcandelacomNo need when you’ve got the Z8
Canon always does that. the only time that they skipped this was R5 original. It was a great camera when it was reeleased compared to what canon had offered before. If you dont agree, look at 5d mk iv and EOS R original, they are just meh cameras. R5 was a revolution, R6 mk ii (which I own one) as well but they dont like to push the market, sony does
@@ghostgums It's quite bulky and heavy. Even though the AF is great, it's not as competitive as Sony's or Canon's yet
@@mcandelacom r5 mk ii with the heating grip clearly shows they over powered a small camera that's going to have issues with over heating.
I have 2x r5's and before that the 1dx mk ii + 1dx mk iii and have had reliability and overheating issues shooting professionally with my r5's. So I think there's going to be a lot of the similar issues with the r5 mk ii if you're super hard on your gear/grinding on campaigns like I do.
For the every day user, not a huge deal, but using it professionally I wanted to tear my hair out every time I rad in to these problems on shoots:
•Camera randomly turning off/dying with 1-2 bars on battery
•Focus not working fast enough or will just randomly stop working
•lenses not mounting/connecting with body
•over heating, especially in 4k 120 in a water housing
•batteries being read as off brand and having to pull it out and put back in
I've had the same issues on both camera bodies.
Take in mind I shoot a lot of surf and am based in Hawaii so salt corrosion + heat are factors here, but I never had these issues with my 1dx's.
The last thing I'll say is the codec on the higher resolution files is brutal. With a suped up computer, it's still difficult to edit and I'd rather deal with 8k 120 RED V-Raptor footage than most r5 codecs. The compression on the files is awful. Notice how Canon won't shut up about recording proxies with these higher resolution codecs. It's because they know they suck.
All they had to do was take the r5 mark 2 sensor and stick it in the r1. That’s literally it. Canon looks silly since they showed two new cameras that Nikon and Sony will put into one singular camera their next cycle.
they fkd up with r3.. they wanted a money grab...but nikon z9 and a1 totally broke that plan...
The 1 series cameras have always been lower megapixel sports forward cameras.
@@matt_berg_mediabut that was the excuse for the r3… Nikon and Sony seem to have no problem making super fast sports cameras with 45+mp.
the r5 ii Seems like a better sports camera to me... 30fps its stacked... the 45MP IS A big deal to peopl... plus the video modes.... I dont get how canon did right with r5 ii def an upgrade for many folks but shit the bed on the r1 who needs the R1 get anr5ii and a grip.
@@NoSuRReNDeR001 I won’t argue with that logic, I’m not saying the r1 is a better option, just that the resolution isn’t surprising to me. I’ve had the r5c for over two years now and don’t plan to give up those megapixels any time soon.
The R1 being 24mp does follow canon's trend with their "pro" line series, all 1D's were also around that point. You don't really need a high pixel count for newspapers, reporters and other journalism usage, which I feel is Canon's "pro" that they have in mind. They need to get the shot fast under any conditions, quickly download and edit, and send back to office for publishing so the smaller file size just makes that process easier.
That being said, yeah, "Flagship"???
You can have a 50mp sensor camera and sets it to 25mp for your needs..
Ich könnte mir vorstellen, abhängig von der Nachfrage, das Canon eine R1s in absehbarer Zeit herausbringt. Das haben sie auch bei der DSLR 5Ds gemacht!
Great time to buy an R3. Canon hyped this camera like it was the Boogeyman coming for 4 years and dropped the ball pretty hard. As Jared said long ago, the R3 was definitely the planned flagship...but to wait all these years and to not at least have comparable specs to it's counterparts is embarrassing.
I've been a Nikon shooter since 1980 and the F2 film days. Currently use a Z9 for critical work and a Zf for walkaround which I love and have served me fantastically well. Although I've always been too heavily invested in the Nikon system to have ever considered switching brands, I have always admired and respected the advances that Canon and Sony have made in the digital camera field. My only real interest in the R1 is that I wanted it to forge ahead and introduce some breathtaking new technology and specs which would eventually lead to Nikon pushing their own envelope further (Z9ii? Z9H? Z10? Z1?) .
This new R1 is a colossal disappointment. This is Canon's "D6" moment. Although there are some exciting new tidbits, my greatest fear is that now Nikon will take their time or not be as bold with any succeeding new flagship model.
Oh well.
I love this guy, the honesty he has makes him an awesome reviewer!!
I don't understand the AI upscaling. Anyone who wants that would do it in post directly from the raw file with DXO pureRAW and Topaz photo AI with the full power of a desktop graphics card.
Also all these features are starting to really complicate to configure. It would be great if you could adjust it from your phone or laptop and then transfer it from one camera to another.
I would never buy or recomend anyone buys those software. Canon ha their own built in if you want to use it. Screw DXO
Why is that? A desktop is magnitudes more powerful than a little AI processor running off a battery. Even lightroom has it built in.@@froknowsphoto
@@froknowsphoto would love to see the comparison between Canon's Neural network Image Processing Tool and in camera processing.
DXO Pure Raw 4 does not do upscaling. Just noise reduction and lens correction which includes edges sharpening. I would guess Canon have built in in for jpeg so it allows a press photographer to turn the image around quickly and send it whilst out.
@@froknowsphoto if you need to use noise reduction Canon's own does not come even slightly close to DXO Pure Raw 4 in terms of quality but to get the best out of it you need to use the manual controls. On default it over sharpens. Topaz Photo AI upscaling makes far too many mistakes even in it's latest version, especially if there is writing in the photo. It just seems to make wild guesses of what would have been there if the photo had been taken on a higher resolution sensor.
If you're a sports shooter, then yes this is a flagship. If not, then no it's not. Historically, flagships have been all about sports shooting, so in that sense, it makes sense to call it flagship. But I think the definition has been changing in recent years due to Sony and Nikon putting high res sensors in their flagships and making them "do everything" cameras. If that's what you want, then yeah, Canon hasn't delivered here.
Sony's flagship is 50mp.
But the AF isn't nearly as good as this one.
not to mention it came out 4 years ago..
@@DreamReleasesI would expect a 4 year old camera to have inferior auto focus than one released now
@@DreamReleases almost seems like its 4 years older doing what the r5ii can do with r1 speeds but earlier
As a Nikon guy. I have to admit Sony has always been ahead. It’s taken 4 years for Canon and Nikon to barely catch up to the A1. When the new Sony A1ii comes out this year or next, it will be ahead another 4 years AGAIN. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
All Canon flagships have had 20-24 mp, this one is in the same line of 1Dx series. A lot of pro using Nikon wish a low mp mirrorless like this one. Flagship does’t mean a lot of mp.
as I said, I like and prefer 24 for the hi-iso capabilities. But it's the other stuff that's lacking. The things a flagship should get right, right out of the box.
@@froknowsphotoI think that this camera is for professional sport shooters like you, the R5 II for amateurs like me, of course it would be great to buy a 45 mp camera that can be used also with a smaller resolution, but that’s it. I know some canon’s pro users that want this kind of resolution (24-30) so Canon is more interested to their opinions, good or not that it could be. Personally I am more interested to the new R5 II. Good work as always, Jared.
That sports action function is a winner. I actually wondered recently why there isn’t a ‘ball mode’ which tracks the ball in cameras yet. Now there is (or will be)!
The face priority mode (aka ‘my Little Johnny mode’) is also going to be a winner.
It's an R3 Mark II rebranded as an R1 because of the pressure they had from Sony's A1.
In all honesty they weren't ready to drop the R1 but the public pressure made them buckle
I’m really enjoying these cameras underwhelming release. I hope their underwhelming sales lead to them opening the rf mount to third party lens makers.
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I own an R3 and this release is a cop out. I'll wait for those engineers to have the time to get the technology and deliver.
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Das wird mehrere Jahre dauern bis hier ein spürbarer Preisverfall eintritt! Wer sich die R1 nicht leisten kann schielt auf die R3. Wer sich die R5 Mark II nicht leisten kann wartet auf die R6 MarkIII ! Kann ja nicht mehr so lange dauern...
The best thing about this release cycle is that it will cause used prices for the R3 and R5 to plummet. The differences between these models are so inconsequential for most things that you might as well save your money and stick with the previous generation. My R3 is so excellent that I can't imagine what problems these new bodies are attempting to solve.
The R5 mk2 might be a bit better, but the R5 mk1 still seems to be a damn good camera in comparison. Still waiting for Canon to release a better telephoto zoom similar to what Sony, Nikon, and even Fujifilm has.
Wow, didn't expect it to have only 24mp... bummer. 💀
Why is it a bummer? Everyone who complains about it being 24MP is just complaining for the hell of it.
Ain’t no way you’re gonna look at a blown up image and say “oh yeah that looks like only 20ish MP” 🤦🏻♂️
24MP is more than enough.
@@peterbrown818 “Everyone”? Please don’t speak for me! Not everyone is an amateur photographer. Like it or not: Some of us have professional requirements. I stated my opinion and that’s about it.
@@sashinger5230You’re literally complaining about 24MP vs say 40MP when it’s going to make zero different to your end result. Which Jared just shows you with the old Nikon prints.
Your “professional requirements” aren’t going to be hindered by 24MP.
And lastly. Canon’s 1 series have always been lower MP, as they prioritise speed and high ISO capability. So why are you surprised 🤦🏻♂️
@@peterbrown818how does low mp equal better noise performance? Lower mp doesn’t equal less noise or “better” noise. This has been debunked by so many people already, look up the dpreview video from years ago.
@@nickbouwman6560You’re gonna take the opinion of one video over the countless tests that have been done?
I’ve seen it with my own eyes. The R5 vs R6 with the same lens and settings in a low light situation
The R5 showed up more imperfections than the R6. Go do your own testing instead of being a sheep.
The whole world is short of all kinds of skilled people, but it even starts showing at the bigger manufacturer. Apparently the best engineers work at Sony nowadays. They now just need to hire a true software UI person to go on top for ever.
that's nonesense. The engineers aren't at fault. It's the spec-team who did market research for their target audience. And I bet, the target audience is getting what they wished for. It's just so, that the camera doesn't win the camera quartet.
Need to stop the video half way to say thanks for going over the little details as I’ve seen no one else dive this deep into the camera body and features. I have an R3 so it’s much appreciated. Also I do believe it’s an R3 mark 2 or the R3 was the original R1. Thanks Jared! Now back to the video!
I guess they made redundancies to prepare for the lack of sales - might boost the sales of a discounted R3... Certainly likely to push people towards Sony & Nikon who were waiting on Canons response.
Not really, a Loud minority crying about a Product they were NEVER going to buy NEEDS no response from Canon.
Shows how much you know. People waiting for this camera don’t jump ship because of this. They jump ship over investment into the ecosystem. Lenses. The AF is good and if they’ve got lenses, they’re not switching.
Most important deciding factor for most people choosing a modern camera: autofocus
Camera best in autofocus: Canon R1
Camera that mustn't be called a flagship: Canon R1
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Great video! Thanks for a lot of real world examples!
I’m wondering if they are going take a bigger hit from calling this the R1 vs if they had just called the R3 a R1 to begin with.
Canon cripple hammer at it again. Can't even call it a R3_2 if they even take away features from the R3 body
No cripple hammer, just design choices.
The R5 Mark II appears to be a FANTASTIC camera. However, when it comes to the 'flagship' offerings, Canon seems to think this is still 2010. Nikon was in a similar position when the D6 came out. Canon needs to start thinking ahead and outside of their comfort zone. Unfortunately, the cycle for the flagship cameras is every 4 years before they can 'correct' this. I cannot see anyone jumping to this from the R3, especially in a world where Z9s and A1s exist.
Seems the Nikon z9 or Sony cameras are way ahead and makes one wonder what Canon was doing since the Canon R3
After losing the mirror less race
Nikon made the Z9 and then to pull customers they brought the Z8 with similar features in a different body.
Canon did the opposite.
The R3 should have been the R1
They really did take opposite attacks. Nikon focused hard on the higher end stuff, z9 and z8, while (still) letting their entry level stuff fall behind the curve. Canon has ignored their high end pros while pumping out a well rounded selection of good affordable bodies.
@@ryanbrown1789 I once saw an Indian Fujifilm ambassador using a XT-3 for a wedding. She wasn't using any medium format camera or the XH2S flagship. I guess mid range bodies are more than enough for today's pro.
@@ryanbrown1789 the z6iii exists
Glad I went with the R3.
As someone who shoots the r5 do you think r3 or the r5ii?
@@andrewmt0781 for you I'd say R5ii just because you're used to have 45mp. Clog 2, much better Af ( compared to the R5), eye Af ( I use it on my R3 even with contact lenses), fast sensor, the R5MK2 is really nice. I'll buy one as my portrait camera and keep my R3 as my main sports/lowlight cam. The R3 feels too good in the hands.
@@andrewmt0781 why are you asking that when they are 2 totally different cameras for different kinds of results?
Appreciate the honest feedback on the R1 which is why I always check out your thoughts since way too many folks out there are acting as “Influencer salespeople”. Now for me I prefer 24mp due to larger buckets for light and cleaner output. I have high MP bodies for studio controlled lighting situation.
Just get the $2500 Nikon Z6III with 24MP sensor with Z9/Z8 autofocus...skip the R1...😅😅😅
Now we have to wait for the R0
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I'm really surprised these "flagship" cameras dont have high-speed internal storage by now, and still rely solely on card slots. DJI mid and flagship drones all have at least some type of interal storage, and they fly...so space and weight can't be the issue. I mean do you really need it? No but super fast nvme type storage will solve any buffer issues. Just a thought.
I wonder if the read/write lifespan limit has something to do with it. I believe Hassy(owned by DJI) has started using internal storage, though the files are huge, storage demands are probably much less when you cant shoot 30fps.
Intresting idea
DJI internal storage is tiny and only useful in that one emergency where you somehow forgot an SD card.
I decided to use the internal storage in my Air 2s on a shoot one day and didn't have any images when I got home. Never had that issue when using the card slot. Won't try that again.
@@DavidHarrisGRI I have only used it once or twice without issues on various DJI models, and it is probably enough for photos but you will only get a few seconds of 5k video
The A1II is going to step on this, like Godzilla stepping on a cat.
I like what Manny said: This is an r3 mkii
On the face priority feature (registering specific faces) this is not new. My Sony has that for years, now.
I hope Sony does better than this with their new cameras…
If you need more than even 20 fps for any sport, you probably shouldn't be a photographer imho. 120 fps is not necessary at all and only creates massive bloat. I shot sports for many years with the 1D Mark III which was blazing fast at 10 fps and never missed a shot at that speed (though the AF sure wasn't as good as any mirrorless today). Even when I shoot hockey now with the R6 II, to me the 12 fps can sometimes be overwhelming (and that AF never misses).
It's now at the point that the numbers (even the MP) are just marketing gimmicks as far as I'm concerned.
I was somewhat surprised by this review as I figured the audience for an R1 -which is very niche - would feel just like you do. For sports I’m thinking accuracy of AF is the killer app. That and optimised workflow features that probably mean nothing to most people. If it fails in those areas it would seem a let down but I’m thinking the buyers of 1series bodies might be happier than this video might suggest.
@@xtraade i hammer home the amazing AF advancements. Those advancements are also in the r5 Mark II 99% of the way.
@@froknowsphoto Thanks for the reply - big fan and I did note you'd raved about the AF. I guess it's a question of definitions: are the things you've highlighted as making it questionable as a flagship that material to the target market. If not it's obviously a big miss, but the fact canon has taken this route must reflect quite a bit of market research, which would make it all the more strange if they have fell short of this consumer group's expectations. NB - I don't know the answer but will look forward to your real world review.
R1 is the flagship for pros. Those pros who don't have time to waste complaining on youtube over thing they don't really need, but since other brands have them, they want those too...
The photography community has never been such a whiners gathering...
Jared calling it as it is ! Canon , this is not a Flagship ! It’s an R3 mark 2 ! Go to the drawing table once again !
R5ii is a beast, that should be called a flagship
I get what you mean but I don’t agree. Canon’s flagship 1 series cameras have always been a lower MP count than the 5 series. They are just targetted at a different consumer.
@@markysng in this day and age where 24mp can do 40fps with unlimited buffer and 6k60 internal raw , canon can no longer play that card
@@JJARCHIE do you not understand the purpose of the 1 series line? They are targeted towards press photographers, who shoot a lot of fast action, and sometimes in very unpredictable environments. In the news industry, images are published minutes to at most an hour after the event unfolds. Imagine having to import, edit, export and send hundreds of images to your photo editor within minutes. That would be such a hassle with 45MP images. Now imagine doing that in like a warzone or a rally, where wifi and 5G coverage is often very poor. Press and news photography is all about speed. They aren’t going to care about 6k60 and other features. Almost everything about the R1 is geared towards nailing your image in as minimal shots and doing it in the fastest manner. That has always been the purpose of Canon’s ‘flagship’ 1 series cameras since DSLR days. It was never a do all camera and was never marketed as such. Its a niche camera meant to need the specific professional needs of the industry.
@@markysng If they don't need top specs, why are they more expensive then?
@@markysng alright so therein exists the a9iii with its smaller size , weight is the bane of all gear
It's a Bohemoth. I'll stick with my R5 v1 and save my money for taking me places to use it :)
This is the way. Get the shot, not the gear
The only flagship feature I'm getting from this is the autofocus. This AF system is legendary.
24 MP is fine for pro sports photographers who need to upload a lot of files quickly during a match. If you want more res you can get R5 II. The EOS 1D-series never had a lot of pixels. That’s not what this camera is for.
So basically the R3 > R1 considering the price.
1-series history:
Canon EOS-1D & EOS-1Ds
Canon EOS-1D Mark II, EOS-1Ds Mark II
Canon EOS-1D Mark III & EOS-1Ds Mark III
Now Canon EOS-R1 and maybe an EOS-R1s later? Based on their past, could be, if there's a demand for it.
Canon knows the pro photo market better than anyone. And what they will buy. 24mpx is fine for sports and photojournalism. What matters to most of the pros these days is AF (can I get the shot) and build quality. A lot of them treat their gear like crap so it has to be built to take it. Canon isn't going to have any trouble selling these. They will absolutely fly off the shelves.
@NU7L Absolutely this is a well thought out camera by a LEGENDARY company that knows it's market well. Although side note I do believe they are a little behind Sony in sensor technology. But this doesn't change the fact that sports shooter and photojournalism will but the he'll out of this camera. Although NASA continues to stay with Nikon and just ordered like 25 Z9 cameras for the ISS and several new Z mount new high end lenses. They also had Nikon reconfigure the sensors just special to their needs to help with cosmic radiation issues.
The autofocus in R1 is insane
R1 gets marketed as the R3. People comment. R3ii gets marketed as the R1? Someone at Canon has a passive aggressive sense of humor.
So disappointed in this release from canon
Agree disappointing MP count on a flagship. Come on Canon.
Then you dont understand Canon. Their ‘flagship’ 1 series like the 1D has always had a lower MP count than their 5 series.
Canon’s 1 series cameras are targeted towards press photographers who shoot a wide variety of subjects from sports to events, conflicts etc. And they do so in a variety of unpredictable environments. They need speed. Publication of the image often happens minutes to at most an hour after it has been taken. Now imagine having to take the image, do minor edits, export the image and send it over to your photo editor. Having to deal with hundreds of 45MP image will just slow the process down, especially if the news event you are covering is located at a venue with limited wifi or 4G data coverage like a warzone etc. Canon kept it at 24MP for a good reason. Its a good balance between quality and speed
@@markysngFinally someone who gets it! The comment section is so whiney, they want a Lamborghini but at the same time want to go off road with it..😅
@@markysngI have an R3 and believe 24mp is sufficient, but if you look at the Trump shooting, the photographers there were using cameras with higher MP count (I believe) and still had their pictures out almost instantly.
@@justamanwithanopinion Glad you brought this up. I can’t speak for the photographers at the Trump shooting, but I can share my experience. So during my time as a press photographer, news agencies usually send out a press pack composed of multiple photographers. Each photographer has a different role with different gear to complement that role. Usually when it comes to breaking news such as the Trump shooting. The image that will get run first is usually chosen from the ones that reach the photo editor first. Not all, but most of the time, its from those shooting with lower MP cameras. These are for the live updates, where speed is important. The follow up coverages that you usually see a few hours to a day after the breaking news run the higher quality high MP images.
Also because of how important speed is, there are times where my team and I have been asked to just shoot in JPGs to speed up the process. CR format slows things down a lot. Depends on event to event
Jared's pre/review is way better than sponsored Peter mckinon content
Love the exact way you are doing this!
R1 on my birthday this is great!
Edit: oh..
I never thought that my Nikon Z9 would stay on top (with the Sony A1) for so long. And the price difference: 2000 euros more - LOL and funny thing ... on a 7500 euro canon flagship camera in 2024 the overlay in the evf or display still does not rotate in vertical mode ^^
Not with the AF in the Z9. The r1 and R5II have better AF now.
@@contentm3893 yes but I got every picture I needed - even sports and on the racetrack. I will exchange a little bit of AF performance for all the other options and all-round-ness I got with the other cameras. Especially for that price difference - I got a 24-70 2.8 for that
What Canon have done here is to only care about what press photographers want, and just not at all care about other customers. The fact that you can decide how many fps you want is for instance a fantastic option for that kind of work. Most press photographers (me included) do not want 120 fps or anything even close to that. So calling it a flagship camera might not be quite right, but it's a pure bred press camera!
That being said, I use the R5 and will use the R5 mark II becasus I find the 5 series plenty fast enough. I found the 1D mark IIn fast enough for sports, tbh😄
Sorry. This is just funny. Nikon shooter here that had to take it for many years. Fun to see Canon get some heat 😂
Didn't the CEO of Canon said "second to none, master of all"... flagship?
In terms of focusing speed and accuracy (from the preliminary reports) it is master of all until somebody (Sony) releases something to top it.
Canon R1 is a shame. I regret having waited years to buy it. Massive disappointment unlike any I have ever experienced.
my mom died, that was worse.
@@froknowsphoto xD behave
Impressive camera, the focusing system is just crazy good. Excellent initial review Fro & Team. Thanks for your time and effort, much appreciated.
now im feeling Relived and not Regretting that i switched to sony some months back
Thanks Jared. I knew you knew 😁
I'll be getting 2 R5II's
I have an R3 and this is music to my ears. No need to upgrade.
Won’t be upgrading from my R5C. However the LPE6P battery is interesting as well as the hot shoe cover. LPE6P is supposed to support 8k60 without any external battery which would be huge for the R5C. The hot shoe cover just seems nice cause I never use it. Considering the overheating possibilities I’d still put money on a R5C mark ii coming.
I’m starting to see a trend with canon. They know by making a weak Flagship they’ll still pull in all the newbie professional photographers ( not professional ) with these slight adjustments. They don’t need a whopping 45mp or 65mp. They can just keep making slight adjustment to the focus and all the pro’s will come jumping. Then with the Mk2 they have a bigger audience so they know by jumping the autofocus up and the sensor they’ll pull in more people. It’s a known strategy they’ve been using for years. Why change success when you know the market and you got it cornered.
I think the real tragedy is when all the testers go out to test a buggy camera, have to sign a nda and they get to talk about the camera like it’s the next genesis when the nda is lifted. These test videos prove nothing or show anything. Canon knows that by not giving everyone a fully operational camera, we can’t cut it down literally an hour after the nda is lifted. Some super shady garbage right there..
P.s…. I want a hi-res camera for macro photography.. What about me.
Stop defending Canon already dude. Canon and Nikon are the reasons why Mirrorless never advance and why camera technology stalled in after 2013. R1 is a flagship camera, build the specs like its a flagship camera. These 2 cameras prove once again why Sony is far more innovative than Canon is and Nikon is now catching up to Canon. R1 is literally an R3 mark ii.
Any news on the R1II?
Next Olympic game, maybe.
The reason they didn’t put the 45 mp in the the R1 is to sell more R5mk2 the R1 is a marketing strategy they no expect to sale many
I think this really aligns the FF RF range with Canon’s DSLRs (D1/R1, 5D/R5, 6D/R6). You think, how much more can they make these things do? As a Nikon Z8 shooter there are some really good AF features which should give Nikon something to think about in the future (as well as giving us Raw pre-capture in the Z8/9), with all the amazing tech available to us, what a time to be a photographer.
Embargo has clearly been lifted seeing as how many TH-camrs posted their R1 videos at the same time. Had to watch The Fro’s vid first of course.
I’ve not watched his videos for years because of the Nikon hate.. didn’t think I’d see the day he went this hard on Canon wow
Criticism isn't hate.
@@mikegreenwalt7777😂😂😂
You have misspelled HONESTY as HATE
& they just bought RED..... Potato's about to be so tasty
For a v0.02 pre-production firmware this camera looks insane. I've pre-ordered the R5 II and will be happily shooting it until the R1 goes on sale in late November. I wish Canon would also make a proper modern 200-400 or 200-500 lens to use with this monster.
As a sports shooter you don't want any more than 24 megapixels. Especially at 40fps. Just means bigger and more expensive cards and hard drives.
That EVF is f’ing huge
R1 is such a disappointment -- so much for good thing come to those who wait. Canon should be embarrassed.
YOU should be embarrassed for NOT understanding the Target market for the R1. Maybe you would be better off sticking with a so called smartphone.
@@natureredux1957 I think you sound angry there.🤣. @RolandAyala has a pretty good point, unless you just wanted an R3 mkii!
R5mark ii destroyed every sony and nikon flag ship with much lower price,. hahahaha cry baby,.
@@sssssssssss655 You folks are the ones Angry. LMAO.
@@kenjiyamamoto423😂😂 Sony a7r6 Sony a7s4 in cut just waiting 😮
Definitely a solid tool that professional sports photographers can rely on and that's what R1 was designed for. This is such an exciting news to Sony shooters because the next is Sony releasing their new line of cameras that will complete with R5 II and R1... maybe A7R VI and A1 II.... and maybe new A7 V...
You might want to make an Affinity version of your ProPacks. Lots of people are starting to jump ship.
R5 ii is a beast.
I had a Canon 24mpx 10 years ago... WTF??
I'm saving up for a Sony A7R5 with 61mp.
@@riparianlife97701 I have it, its fabulous, but its def. not in the same department as sports/journalist cameras:
- A7RV has terrible rolling shutter due to long read out speed
- the A7RV is really bad at higher ISOs than 3200.
- its video quality is limited (I used it for a wedding shoot a couple of weeks ago, and I am mostly a videographer coming from Blackmagic cameras)
A7RV is an excellent STREET/LANDSCAPE/PORTRAIT/WEDDING-PHOTOGRAPHY/FOOD/ARCHITECTURE camera.
Its a terrible sports camera.
Its an okey-ish video camera.
here is an armchair photographer who's talking about a camera he's not testing while larry chen is out in the real world using one in crazy weather conditions.
Jared - I need to know what is really better in the R1 compared to R5II? Why choose the R1 - they seem to have all the same features... I do sports and I have a 100-300 mm. Don't both have the same auto-focussing system? I don't really care about price...
Bit late canon 😅
not sure what that comment even means when people say it. To late for what exactly? did you wait to buy this and bought something else?
Yes
In my opinion the R1 is a fantastic camera for professional use. Agencies will probably be the most likely customers. A lot of professional one man bands still use old 1 series DSLRs and will do so until they break. This type of camera is a long term investment for specific use cases, so sales will be limited.
why would they go for r1 over r3?
@@arunashamal autofocus alone is a massive improvement.
@@martinhommel9967 peopel who work for agencies knows how to use AF.... this is only a marginal improvement, that is no reason to overhaul your whole line up with r1 for a huge price...also these canons are massively overpriced.. Nikon z9 was less money than r3 at the introduction...like Jared said this is r3ii it is not a flagship body..
@@arunashamal if Canon says it’s their flagship it’s their flagship. You are entitled to your opinion. The thing with the autofocus is that it is hugely helpful for anyone including agency photographers who are working under immense pressure
@@martinhommel9967 of course... feel free to believe the marketing and pay what they are asking!
Given that the 1D series cameras were the only Canon DSLRs with a built in grip adds credence to the idea that the R3 was supposed to be the R1. The Sony A1 blindsided them so they had to rethink. Canons success comes as much from theor marketting as it does from the cameras themselves.
when the a1ii drops its over for the r1