Still Worth It? 2017s Most Expensive Graphics Card Today - NVIDIA TITAN V
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
0:31 Corsair A115 (Advertising)
1:01 "Volta" GPU with HBM2
1:34 Titan V in GPU-Z
2:13 Dual slot with blower design
2:35 Titan V in TimeSpy Extreme
3:34 Titan V in CS2
4:01 4070 Super in CS2
4:22 4070 Super in GPU-Z
4:32 Gaming benchmarks
6:01 Is the Titan V worth it?
6:58 Titan V without cooler
8:28 Summary/Conclusion
8:542 Outro - วิทยาศาสตร์และเทคโนโลยี
I have one of those*
*the cat not the graphics card
i have a similar older model, silver not ginger.
my friend has a ginger though; i highly recommend both!
I have a 6 month old one. Ginger unlocked and overclocked😂😂.
@@Enozenim_LJO guessing with more brains cells .
@@marinipersonal Did you know they make autonomous "full self roaming" versions of these now? Saw one in the park today - mindblowing!
😂
Cat videos - the real content I signed up for.
that cat gets whatever it wants
The true reason why Internet exists
talk about a scene stealer!! Probably an AMD fan.
Steve’s content is garbage there’s no cats!
@@wahidtrynaheghugh260 Not true! Steve's cat has most definitely been in his videos!
... just not so much after they got an actual studio, and later the current school-studio 😅
Cat, are you ok?? Blink twice if you are being held at gunpoint 😨🥺
😂
Lol what you mean? That cat was living it's best life
Its an orange cat. Waiting his turn in line for brain cell access.
@wolfstorm5394 Was?! What happened, good lord I hope the cat is okay.
@@CommandLineVulpine LMAO don't panic, it's not like that
0:52 Cat - "Why did you stop scratching? Resume immediately!"
Still one of the coolest looking cards ever along with the silver 1080Ti and the black Titan X Pascal
The 1080ti Kingpin is gorgeous
Respect Star Wars Titan Xp - Galactic Empire and Jedi Order
no.
@@jarredgallaher2643 Copper is beautiful.
Titan X Pascal and newer generation of Titan XP never received a black badge like Titan Black. I had 4x Titan X Maxwell in SLI and world first 16K video resolution gamer and pioneer on TH-cam and 2x Titan X Pascal in SLI and updated 4x Titan XP in SLI.
You maybe talking about color but every Titan were black before Titan V or Titan RTX.
This is also the first card in Nvidias lineup to have tensor cores. It's a very interesting card that was quite a bit faster than those titan X small and big p's.
I thought maybe you could use DLSS on one of these, which is one of the "modern features" worth upgrading for, but a quick Google search tells me Volta has an older tensor core design that is good for AI research, but can't leverage DLSS.
True, the HBM is what always most interested me, MCD or cache dies outside the core, link with a one layer hbm2/3/4 feels like it'd be the most impressive advancement we could have for feeding P Cores moving forward, while keeping chiplet latency low. @@ChristianStout
Anyone happen to know what its eth hashrate was? Just for posterity? Gonna look up if it beat the radeon 7 just for infos sake, but I have a feeling it might be hard to find that info
@@hansolo631 it was gigantic and unmatched.
@@hansolo631no, its not hard to find that info)) i think that info was literally on Linus channel?
I won one from Nvidia 6 years ago... absolutely love it, though changing the thermal paste (and livestreaming the process) was extremely stressful! 🤣
get a glass box to present it
kitty is enjoying the tummy rubs
It depends on your use case, if you are doing FP64 work loads than this card is about 5x faster than a 4090. Also you could find SLI boards with 4 slots back then so theoretically you could have 20x the FP64 performance in one rig for 600$ more than a 4090. So for people that are doing that kind of work at 600$ it is actually a really great price.
Very much so. If my problems didn't need more VRAM and ECC memory wasn't a must it would have been a steal even at full price. The Quadro GV100 I use is still available new today at even higher than original MRSP - if you need active cooling and display outputs there's no better GPU than the Titan V/GV100 for FP64 CUDA, otherwise you're onto the A100
@@pamelawhitfield4570If ECC is a must, and you want moar VRAM, you could get a bunch of P6000 cards.
radugrigoras
You need the Quadro bridge to stack the mem, SLi support ?
4x Sli on X99 i did, waste of money ! Maya only i guess.
this is assuming SLI actually works the way the marketing purported it to. which it patently did not.
Thank you for this, I'm owner of one and was thinking how it stack. Few things to note :
1) I always undervolt mine, since default power/temp limits force lower clock in long test than with it. In My case, I settled for 0.8V @ 1620MHz via Afterburner V/F curve (going too low on voltage prevents card from reaching 3D clocks).
2) Power usage gets solved with undervolt
3) Some programs will be locked to 1350-ish MHz core clock, and that's "CUDA Compute Mode" thing. To disable throttling under it, you need to go into NV profiler and manually diasable that (this setting may be reset after driver update)
3) You don't have to remove the whole heatsink to see/repaste GV100. Window part of the cooler can be removed with 4 screws to clean heatsink (the same as on Pascal/Maxwell/Kepler "FE" cards that use similar design), while heatsink removal only needs 4 more.
Those blower coolers just don't cut it. At the price of any Titan I would absolutely custom cool one.
Wait, are you talking about an orange tabby cat or GPU?
@@theduck17 I hope it's about the cat. After all, cats that are capable of running Nvidia's proprietary software, and also can be overclocked and undervolted, are something worth noting. AMD and Intel really need to take lessons from the cat, if what I said was true.
@@ffwast Yea theres a reason why they don't use then anymore it probably made sense when the card was made though
I hear they also make use of their large VRAM buffer for intensive workloads paired with their wide memory bandwidth just means users have a lot of options when feeding it FISH (Float Integer String Handouts) @@jamesbrendan5170
Volta was never meant for gaming and that's why it never saw mass release in consumer market. I remember one of my friends had procured it for Machine learning(Artificial neural network training) and they sure found the price justified and his firm recovered the money within a year or so of purchase.
ChaitanyaShukla2503
Quadro Bridge, why he called it consumer card ?
Was he not around back then ?
Only Direct sale card from Nvidia, tot in German shops.
You friend did College, you ?
Recording the money within a year (considering its price) it's quite a very long time for a company.
the main selling point of this gpu back then (and depending of use case, still is) is it's FP64 precision, since anything that can do these type of calculations are in the stupidly high mark price range, at least so far, not even the ADA RTX 6000 is even close to it in these type of calculations, since it's going directly for a tesla gpu, and amd tends to have better rations on FP64 (XTX has 1.9 FP64 Tflops, while the 4090 has 1.2 tlops, titan V 7.6 Tflops), but their support is limited since a lot of apps are cuda exclusive, while hip and zluda are still on the works.
It's a very specific use case, but for those that need it, so far only the A100 tier of gpu's can satisfy that need, or getting and old titan V does wonders.
It's FP16 is also shockingly good for its time. Basically the first real AI enabled card.
@@Wobbothe3rdexactly, this thing was purpose-bred to be a machine learning monster, its ability to play games was secondary
Yay! Another cat video on the weekend for the win🎉! On a related note, the cost of the Titan V is worth a lot of supplies of tuna🤭.
00:52 cuteness overload!
I’m glad you’re looking into this card. I was wondering for quite a while now how well it holds up.
Wow… it’s 7 years ago…
I still remember myself watching videos religiously abt it
why wow, should you forget it ?
Nowadays there are GTX Titans 6gb that can be found for 80-100$. Its msrp was 999$ in 2013. I've been thinking about getting one of these just to put it on a shelf. Great stuff for collectirs considering its current price
I remeber that 999$ was really outrageous price for GPU 😂 Good old times
sad HBM did not stay I loved how small the R9 nano was used it for years, they are getting stupidly big
Oh, it's still around. Just not for us mortals. 😅
HBM still exists, but it has been proven to not be sturdy enough for consumer graphics cards and would make maintenance and repairs very expensive, since any vram issues would require replacing the GPU instead of just the RAM chips like on regular cards.
I have a Titan Z in my display case, I love the design of those cards.
I got both a Z (retired now) and a V (still in daily use). For FP64 CUDA compute without the need for ECC, even at full retail price they were really good value compared with the alternative quadro / tesla cars.The marketing for them was a bit more problematic, but if you actually needed their unique features the price actually made a whole lot of sense imo.
In my opinion the older founders edition cards looked really nice. Those old blower cards, even though they're loud and run hot, look really cool.
Legendary card...came on the market and everyone forgot about it as it was an oddball and insanely expensive :D I think the Volta core itself found it's way into datacenters instead.
That’s what Volta was originally for if I’m not wrong. It’s why there wasn’t any GeForce Volta Cards which is kinda of a shame
yep. the titan v was nvidia's way to dump the dies with only 3/4 the memory bus functional, the datacenter versions had the full 4096bit bus and 16 or 32GB of HBM
just saw one for sale near me for a good price. already have a founders 3080 ti so definitely not a necessity but would love one for the collection. perfect timing with this being uploaded 3 minutes ago haha
Your content is really interesting. Keep it up!
I have Titan V with waterblock and shuntmodded with 2x5mohms resistors for both power plugs. It results with about 525W max power limit instead of stock 300W (75*2 + 150*2 + 75W). At 2100@1.093v card can draw 450W in gaming. Highest power draw I saw was in GPUPI in CUDA mode (PL2 state unlocked in nvinspector) and it was 500-525W with slight power throotle.
I did direct comparison with 3090 in metro exodus DX11 at 5k. 3090@1900mhz was about 40% faster than Volta@2100Mhz and 1000mhz HBM2 (58 vs 41FPS).
This guy contributes more to Global Warming than entire nations.
Why would you ever consider it??
niiiice !
I've got the exact same setup, bought it with shunt mods already installed. I'm running a custom fitted 280mm AIO to keep temps under control (40-50C under full load, hotspot around 70-75C)
What sort of temps do you get? I wish I could find a waterblock available somewhere.. love this card, apparently the only one in my country. Super rare!
@@user-kx6om4xm5v Either for FP64 workloads or purely for fun. For me it was the latter.
ayyyy. got one for cheap recently off a server farm. Loaned it to my friend to play Baldur's Gate before he got his new card. Pretty solid.
Excellent review. We also enjoyed the video card. :P We love Sheik!
Kitty is so cute.
It would be pretty cool for you to upgrade all the thermals and see how well it can OC. See if there's more in the tank. A good show case for Kryosheet too :p
channels all have Cats, you need that here ?
Battlefield 2042 has an in game FPS monitor, complete with CPU & GPU frame time & sim time. As well as graphs. You can turn them on in game console by pressing "~". You can stumble your way through by type "fps" & seeing all the options. You can find the proper commands online as well.
Love this content! Thx!
Ogh boy, been eager to see revisit of this old beast for ages!
Would be cool to see if you can find a waterblock (or try fit an AIO if the HBM height isn't horrific) and shunt mod it, it was a financial mistake, but maybe you can try limit the "damage" by getting some more fun from it :) Clock was in the 1500 range a lot of the time, if it's like Pascal/Turing then should be able to get around 2GHz maybe with good cooling/power limit.
The cat is great!
Subscribed.
I love the new format of your channel - the cat videos
thanks for showing us this cards performance and value today
I enjoyed that retrospective. If you want to run it more quietly, mount it in a vertical orientation in a case like the Silverstone FT05. I'd be interested to see your perspective on the Titan X (being a glorified 980ti).
great video! makes me feel better about all my "financial mistakes" (most of my GPU collection) lol. if you see, you will understand why.
WOW! I still have 3 of them. I wad crazy mining back then. They paid for themselves back then. 😅
Oh, and its performance gets way better when you use liquid metal on it and replace the junk thermal pads with Thermalright pads. 👍🏾
Yea, a friend got one for cheap(at the time) at his job and it still runs most new fine at 1080p if you lower the settings a bit. It was truly a beast of its time
Awesome video, love it. As others in comments mentioned this card might not great for gaming but for compute especially FP64 its still a king, as such if it comes to it would be awesome to see some tests for compute work that benefits from it. Especially as it is the last relatively consumer oriented card that has FP64 performance, the only other cards with double precision unlocked are older Nvidia teslas or the the new A100 which is just incomparable for the price reasons. I do wish nvidia started doing again the FP64 unlocked cards, with them putting it on top of what used to be a quadro lineup, that way we get great cards for compute, without the data center oriented shrouds.
What about replacing that stock cooler with a waterblock? Maybe it would improve by allowing it to boost higher?
Even the paste looked a bit dry on that thing so maybe a repaste would help?
thinking about the age of the card shoulnt you have changed the thermal paste first before running the test ?
Marvelous looking card
Deserve to run inside high airflow case and cold room
You completely missed the point of that gpu, try with fp64 workloads and you will see the difference. It also is competitive in fp16
Honestly the increase in performance on the 4070 is amazing in some games like cyberpunk, but relatively minimal in games that were around the same time this was released. It goes to show how well developers optimize games for the current gen of hardware.
This was an excellent video not only for the information, but the amount of cat getting attention was perfect. More cat!
Shunt Mod!! Would be interesting to see how it would do with more power and cooling.
If its possible, would you be able to find a custom cooling solution to allow it to run much cooler than it does with the basic blower design?
Would love to see for science how the Titan RTX holds up today!
In Cyberpunk were you trying to enable RT or something?
It should have at least had playable fps if I played on a 1660 super
I saw one in a shop last year and was curious, but I'm not into collecting so the price was too much for me.
I don't recall exactly how it was marketed at the time but I don't think it was ever targeted at gaming. It would be more interesting to see it in workloads it was intended for vs gaming GPUs of the time and today.
It's always fun looking back at what used to be mind blowingly fast hardware. I have a 4090 and Ryzen 7950x3d....the best you can buy today...it will be fun in 5-10 years to look back.
what do you use to measure your fps, looks cool
Can you do a Review or dissect of the Amd Z1 Extreme and either the Lenovo legion go or the Asus Rog ally?
would have been nice to see some memory speed and bandwidth comparisons :(
What really gets me with that GPU is the die size. 815mm^2. This thing is a similar size to the H100. I used to own one. It was in a system that also had a Titan Xp installed. Work provided the Volta and I sadly had to give it back, but I bought the Xp with my own money and used it up until last last year when I bought a 7900XTX.
Did the temperatures improve once the card when new TIM was applied? 🙂🤷♂️
Also where is the channel with additional cat content? 😁
That was interesting Corsair A115 ad 😺
I picked up a pair of these new on release and was trying to confirm if the NVLink connectors were electrically cut off in the GPU die itself or just not enabled in the VBIOS or driver, but I'd picked up the previous version of Quadro NVLink connectors which were not compatible anyway, and was having trouble figuring out how to properly write the VBIOS with an external SPI flasher - for some reason I could read it from the chip correctly but when writing, some extra data kept appearing which would soft brick the card. Still, the thing was a total beast for it's time.
I immediately went on eBay to see if I could pick one up. Found some as parts only and was still tempted just so I could have it in the collection. Must be something about the 10 series in Gold...
I bought one of these a few years ago for $700 on ebay because I never had $3k to buy a new one.
Coil whine was INSANE but performance was on par with the results you got.
I’m a sucker for LEDs and since the Titan V logo didn’t light up, I swapped back to my Titan Xp which was only slightly worse in performance.
Was RT on for the Cyberpunk test? Cause the water effects when going outside looks like RT is on.
This is really interesting. It’s amazing how capable it is so long after release.
Accounting for inflation the $3k price in 2017 would be $3.8k today.
I wonder how current $2k cards will compare to $600 cards in 6 years from now.
I got a small collection of cards! This is the 1 like to add but only at a way cheaper price so it'll probably be years before i can add! My favorite out of all the cards i own is probably evga 980ti kingpin! Its such a beautiful card
Wasn't the Titan V used for mining? Also i am curious to see it process video codecs
Worth mentioning one was designed for workstation use and not gaming. I'm sure if you have one from your workstation days or still use it for a workstation but need to do some mid-to-high end gaming. It still performs well. Buying a new GPU a 4070 or 4070 super hands down.
What would be a new GPU comparable in performance to this old one?
for 200$ would be a nice vintage setup
can you do some benchmarks on the cat too? maybe a comparison video next to a non orange cat?
which titan ?
the left one or the right one ?
I would love to see the settings for your rivatuner overlay :)
Still have one, Pretty sure the cooler is the exact same heatsink (inside) as 1070/1080/1080Ti.
They become temperature limited pretty fast, you really have to crank the fans up to 70% or so to get the most out of it without going totally deaf.... That said if you think that's loud go and compare to a Tesla V100 in a datacenter rack.
I briefly had it watercooled which makes all the difference, but went back to air cooler for more compatability (so if anyone needs a spare waterblock..)
In gaming they're about the same as a 2080Ti which isn't surprising since Turing was based on Volta (they took away the compute and added a token amount of ray tracing).
rtx2080Ti: 4352sp x2 x2Ghz = *17.5Tflops* FP32
TitanV: 5120sp x2 x1.7Ghz = *17.4Tflops* FP32
(in single precision and lightweight tasks like games you'll run at higher clocks, unless you're temp/power limited like in the video, I have seen 2Ghz on mine under water and at the start of air cooled tests)
However the FP64 double precision is miles different.
rtx4090: 16384 x2 x2.6Ghz /64 = *1.3* Tflops
TitanV: 5120 x2 x1.41Ghz /2 = *7.2* Tflops
I've sold my rtx3090 but keeping the TitanV, with current prices I nearly bought another for NVlink (back when nvidia would let you buy multiple cards rather than force you to buy the new rtx5090 Ti super extreme for £4000).
Edit: also with a 815mmSq die (plus HBM2) it cost Nvidia a fortune to make these cards.
Now Nvidia is back to the far cheaper ~600mmSq dies using GDDR memory but still charge a fortune.
best buy i make so far. here on my machine still strong and fun to play.
for viewers: if you're into older card, may I suggest getting the 1080ti 11gb which still valid today (and perhaps another few more years to come) use the almost latest graphics drivers and install the software to adjust the card to always run at 50% fan speed on idle, and boost up on higher clock speeds.
Good - now I'd like to see if you could mount a waterblock on it and shunt mod the thing to crank those clockspeeds ;) I wonder if the cooling and the fact that it's a professional card is massively holding back the clocks on this.
would the Titan V perform better with a more modern cooling solution?
i modded a VEGA 56 hbm2 i fell in love with HBM memory with a super wide range of uses as well as being able to change its insides to suit the software meaning HBM2 could be emulating DDR6 DDR5 DDR4 DDR3 etc...
ive been using emulation to discover more uses
Got my VEGA 56 to expand to 20Gb of HBM2
Damn those clocks are low. It'd be interesting to see this thing under water. You think most Pascal blocks would fit? The performance is closer to my OC'd 1080 than I expected.
Oh my gosh, your cat is soo cute ! What a good boy
I bought a 1080 ti a few months the ago for $120 and on cp2077 on 1440p high I get a minimum of 30 fps. Why was this soo low? Driver issues?
Is this CEO Edition or the Pleb edition? Ahh answered own question 12GB Pleb 32GB CEO edition.
Any chance youd test this with a pro application for Topaz Video AI Enhance?
I can’t believe how old this card is now, I remember when this came out it blew my mind how powerful it was
Could we have a follow-up with this card under water? Feels like it's should have some more performance under all that heat seeing as the memory is sharing the hotspot
What about professional drivers? Is there a faster/cheaper alternative?
Definitely amazing
It has a maybe very edge case use if you need FP64 compute performance which has been nerfed/deprioritized on more modern cards outside of datacenter gpus.
Very cool!!
I'm curious to see more about the Titan RTX nowadays, being the only Titan released since RTX became a thing. From memory it was basically just a 24gb version of the 2080Ti with a little bit more performance, but I don't think many people bought it.
It also had the workstation-specific optimizations that the Titan series was known for. Sadly Nvidia then discontinued the Titans and replaced it with the RTX 90 series, which completely lack the workstation features that made the Titans such a good prosumer option.
Ive seen a couple pop up in my local area for around $400. I kinda want one just for a collectors card. It will look good right next to my asus mars 2 760.
Sometimes people buy older high-end cards for AI inference because it needs a lot of memory. How does this card compare to same-priced cards in Stable Diffusion or LLaMA?
What about for workloads other than gaming?
The 2nd consumer card that features hbm2 to my knowledge is the vega m gh in the intel 8709G that has 4Gb of hbm2
What about seeing how it performs by repasting it? Or putting liquid metal on it?
A head to head with some of the Radeons would be interesting. Instinct mi25, mi50, mi60 and Radeon Pro VII. Radeon's from the vega 20 generation are cheaper than the Volta card so that's why I'm suggesting them.
Been thinking about picking up a Titan V as well as a Titan Z for the sake of it. Won't be actively using them, might at most just build an era appropriate system and put them on display as shelf queens. If I do use them then it's probably just going to be the every now and then older game gaming session
You either have more money than sense or you're a compulsive liar.
@@jaydub2546 What's wrong with getting older hardware just to have it on display? I like to collect this kind of stuff. I'm sorry if that makes me an idiot in your eyes but that really is a you problem. Calling someone a compulsive liar over it though just makes no sense.
nvidia's old cooler design was so good, man. i like the new ones too but those old 700, 900, etc series cards just looked cool as hell
I am looking for the StarWars editions, but I idc if they are broken, I really just want to mount them on my GPU wall. They were some of my favorite cards, next to the 1080Ti
my titan Xp is still holding it down in 2024! its finally showing its age though, im looking to upgrade finally.
Just curious does dlss work on it cause the titan v has tensor cores
Is the cat brand new or politely used ?
Peak of gpu design. (Also, the other FE cards too from gtx 700 to 1000, and the titan cards in those times, oh and dont forget the 690).