I Put A GPU on the PS5
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Timestamps!
0:00 - Intro
3:41 - Getting GPU Set Up
4:47 - Powering on the GPU & PS5
5:42 - Explaining to Sony What I'm Doing
6:33 - Testing the GPU
7:31 - Setting up the High Point RAID Card
8:50 - Test 2 with Power This Time
9:18 - Loading Up All 4 Ports
10:08 - Cleansing the PS5
11:31 - Setting up the RAID Off Camera
12:43 - Bad Thought Of How To Get It To Work
13:56 - Conclusion
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Presenter: Brett Sticklemonster
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I never enjoyed watching a person not do what they were hoping to this much. Truly entertaining and interesting content. Love UFD and Hot News!
One of the funniest hairless peoples I've ever seen lmpo
The PS5 will be awesome once modders crack it and enable homebrew. We'll be able to build kernels with drivers for stuff like this!
wait 2 years
@@rochester3 only had to wait 12 days, 2 hacker groups have just cracked the code 😂
@@_Shinasu wow
I’m really surprised too. Everything I read on cracking the ps4 was always on some really outdated version nobody had anymore
Also, the highpoint “hardware” nvme raid controllers are NOT hardware raid. They are essentially just a non-raid adapter card that comes with a highpoint branded software raid system. These cards require a driver to use the raid. Hardware raid does not require software on the host to work.
Eagle-eyed to see the massive GPU 🤣
Format 1 SSD in the PS/5 and check it in your pc to see which filesystem it is using. Populate the Highpoint controller with all 4 SSDs in your pc and format it to the same filesystem that the PS/5 is using. If that is possible because the PS/5 might be using a (l)inux filesystem. Maybe that helps.
Any filesystem is a linux filesystem if you try hard enough
Ps5 uses a custom freebsd os, which the file system is encrypted usually.
@@waterheart95 have you actually tried?
@@TheNpcNoob windows does recognize like 3 filesystems......
But could be true it is encrypted.
@@tedbybolf4616 The drives are most definitely using encryption, they have been doing so since PS3 and is a necessity in its security against people running unsigned code. As for the file system well they used UFS (Unix File System) on the PS3 and PFS (Playstation File system) on the PS4 which is their own closed FS based off UFS. On the PS5 they are most likely continuing usage of PFS which obviously non-Sony systems won't natively support, at best the hacking & homebrew community may come up with their own software to access the file system assuming you can somehow get the appropriate encryption keys.
With all the bad going on in the world, I am happy to see people still helping to raise money to help your child, I hope everything goes well man!!
Awesome, wish you well on your channel and the best for your boy
Brett did you create a volume / partition on the Highpoint raid card?
I suppose you can try creating a single volume with exFAT as Fat32 and exFAT are supported for external drives on the PS5.
This
Yes. It didn't work.
@@UFDTech ah... that sucks.
The reason it doesn't work, is because the "raid controller" isn't actually one. It's a pcie switch.
He'd need a tri-mode raid card, like those from LSI/Broadcom... If the PS5 kernel even had support for it compiled in.
Here's a hacky way to do it. Your plan to load the RAID drivers on the PC was good. Now find the power pins on the M.2 plug, disconnect them electrically from the PS5, and rewire it to take external voltage from the PSU. Then you can transfer it without the card powering down.
This could work but really could just patch in power to the card or somehow makeshift a mirror cable so they transmit the same connection and power both ways that way when you take it out of the pc it will be powered still loaded and you can just turn on the ps5.
Good idea. You may have to manually get a separate 12V to 3V3 regulator put on the card for that if that circuitry is enabled by the PCI input power. It's also possible an enable line needs to be pulled low, but I don't see that on the pinout for NVMe or PCIe.
@@ThisRandomUsername Probably true. I hadn't really thought too in depth about that. Not an electrical or signals engineer, haha. Just looking at the PCIe piniut there is a wake pin that might serve that purpose. I don't really know without reading the full protocol specification.
I appreciated reading this exchange of ideas
I would expect to have the GPU listed under system not storage - as you've said its a protocol - not specific to storage - maybe you should do a comparison benchmark with and without the card - does it spin while gaming? ... nice video!
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Keep up the great work ur doing buddy with content and all the other projects you have in progress.
They likely use a proprietary uid assignment protocol, together with a proprietary filesystem, much like an 🍎pad. If that's true, then the gpu would be recognized as a drive (consequently the memory controller would activate and dump a bunch of memory addresses, waiting for another component to implement the uid assignment and read the addresses).
Plug the hardware raid card into the software raid card to keep it powered during the swap over
great video, keep the good work
Thank you for try and show to everyone
Hey, cool that your fundraising was successful, best of health to you & fam
This video had the potential for greatness, the title was simply to part 1, but I had no idea what I clicked on, maybe it was the thumbnail?
Since it is "hardware" based raid...the jumper settings choosing the raid "configuration" will need to be pre-set. prior to boot (raid-5 suggestion). As I was watching i noticed that the m.2 cards were risen off of the raid card. You must make sure all m.2 cards are of the same type as well as all attachments are PCIe 4.0 compliant; have no volume on them (unpartitioned) and install all 4 of those drives with the screws on them which flattens them closer to the raid card for a "solid" connection. BTW it should work. I have a ps4 pro with 8tb (2tb x4 drives) configured in raid-5 off of the internal sata using a sata to e-sata cable plugged into a 4 bay raid external powered box with perfect results now for 2yrs. Cheers...
Also: as for the idea of hardware raid - you'd need a controller that can present itself as though it were one big NVMe drive. I'm not sure if such a thing exists commercially...
*Edit to correct erroneous autotext
Brett, will you do a summary of all these series? like all the test and conckusions
This is crazy and I love it.
Good or bad, you were very thorough!! ❤
You’re a rebel! PMSL 🤣 awesome video Brett
You should have started the PS5 with a display attached to the GPU.
When you remove the m.2 and it powers down; find out whats triggering the power down and use a jumper wire to make the card think the m.2 is still plugged in.
Good Attempt to get these working
If that's a proper RAID card, you'll need to initialise it first - using a PC. The config for the card will be stored either in non volatile RAM or on the drives themselves. I work with RAID every day of the week. Put it in the PC, set your uefi bios to show legacy cards, and there will be a keyboard shortcut to enter the card config. B from there, create Volume using all the 4 ssds.
Once you've done all that, saved it all etc, connect back to the ps5. Because only THEN will that pci-e card "look" like a "drive" to what it's plugged into.
Of course, because of the RAID BIOS on the card, the ps5 might still ignore it.
And like others say, m.2 and PciE the same, do it could just be a pciE switch, passing all the Ssds to the inboard controllers, leaving you no further forward either.
Try make it work in a pc like it's meant to FIRST though, otherwise how can you know it's the ps5 at fault!
You could try an m.2 riser splicer and connect the drive to both the ps5 and the computer at the same time
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Maybe try... screwing the ssd down? Perhaps its contact need... enough contact pressure... to work? Like ram, sometime it fail to boot even if it look like the contact is fine once inserted...
Question, did you ever try the Radeon with the HDMI connected to it when you powered on the system?
Back in the day Windows wouldn't activate the secondary GPU without a cable connected, considering you're trying something completely oddball (which I did ask for, so thanks), it may not activate the GPU unless it is connected at power on.
Not expecting it to work but it's an old hardware/software limitation, simply swapping the cable while it's running was actually likely to fail even if it did otherwise enable the Radeon.
I have a feeling that the raid card may not be working because the PS5 isn't loading the option ROM at POST.
What about cloning a single m.2 to the hardware raid and hope it gets recognized it won't have the full storage but it will still get the speed boost?
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most devices that use a gpu, if the initial display is comming from/plugged into the igpu the device will need to be restarted to get display out of the DGpu, if it supports it
I wonder how much power the 6900xt gets from the PCIE port? That X4 connection was built for SSD's so the card probably didn't have enough power even if the OS could support it.
It had a whole separate power supply for it lol. Had like 600w
Wonder if you could solder some flat cable like a ribbon cable to the m.2 adapter then have that go to a plug in for an m.2 on pc.
Once initialised plug adapter into ps5 then remove the home made end from pc. So it’s always plugged in.
Another solution is to use the ps5 native network api and dump graphical data from the gpu (It would be like using another display, but instead of the PS outputting data, the gpu is used as an input)
while seeing you connecting & disconnecting video output and all that other stuff i just said to myself: "Oh, Boy - some dude with deep background knowledge in all that stuff including computer linguistics, protocolls and all that stuff might be scratching his head because of your project. But I would do exactly the same you do and all the viewers who asked you to do so, too."
Thanks for sharing this kinda adventure!
I saw a video where a guy connected a disk reader to the disk drive less PS5 and was Surprised it spun up and showed an unrecognizable disk on the PS5 Dashboard, I was hoping the usb C on the front of the PS5 was Secretly a thunderbolt 4 port , and maybe an rtx 3090 Super Ti could power the PS5 externally
The hardware raid may need its bios or uefi module loaded during boot so it can present a drive to the system.
And is this not what Option ROM is for? But I would guess that it would not be supported on a PS5 anyway
doesn't the raid card use the power it receives over the pci express lane as a signal to power on or off, to keep the fan from spinning? I suppose if you jumpwire the same voltage to that pin, the raid card won't shut down.
I would cut the wire so no power goes to the ps5 and maybe put a resistor to ground at the wire coming from the ps5's express lane power pin.
Good luck :)
with the GPU, you could have probably booted it with the display plugged into it. although I doubt it would have worked anyways.
There is probably no driver in the custom freebsd that ps5 uses and the slot is locked down to support only ssds anyway.
@@tedbybolf4616 It is almost certainly locked down but the driver is pretty close to the PS5 driver, odds are not close enough to game but the 2D portions are likely nearly identical.
@@glenwaldrop8166 The similarity of the hardware doesn't mean it will work also rtx 3080 is very far from rdna2 integrated gpu so the driver is absolutely different.
@@tedbybolf4616 it was a6800xt
Splice out data transfer, use that one and delete the power cable from your 2nd cable. after buying another cable. One has power one is data transfer only from card because the cars cannot have two sources of power. Go from slot one to ps5. Install on 2,3,4 mdot2. I dunno just a thought
I think the problem is finding the right M.2 to PCI-E connector that mimics the native M.2 connection on the PS5 to an NVME drive.
try a port multiplier/switch? sold for mining? maybe you can use multiple cards not in raid
When using multiple psus to power components together, dont you need to use a bridge or something so you keep the phases or something together? I swear i heard you need to use something or you can damage your components.
I'm sure there's a way to bypass the raid card from shutting down when disconnected from the PS5
You wouldn't be able to move a PCIe device (i.e. a NVMe SSD) from one host to another without powering it down. The reason being that when the host boots up, the BIOS initializes the PCIe device (e.g. setting up the BAR mapping which maps the device to system memory). If you were to transfer it without re-initialization, then the values in the BARs would be incorrect and the second host wouldn't have mapped it to the respective system memory. So at best, nothing would happen, at worst, it could corrupt your system state (if two devices response to a given PCI address).
I don't have any suggestion though to get something like this to work. Someone could probably implement a custom hardware solution that doesn't require driver initialization, but that would be very niche with a limited market - so it wouldn't be cost effective for a company to produce and would be very expensive it it was (probably over $4,000 USD using a custom FPGA - it could bank and forward the NVMe commands to respective sub-PCIe slots, but that's not a trivial thing to do).
Where did you just unplug that HDMI from? Either side wouldn't have worked, you need a source (PS5) or a input device (tv) graphics card is an output/source device.. atleast the way you had it set up.
If you only plug in the 2 8 pins it should work. Itll never draw enough power to even need the 3rd
If you can figure out how to put the OS back onto the xbox nvme drive... you should try to put it on the raid card...
I have been in IT industry for 28 years. With any hw raid controller it's bios needs to start before the system starts. The system will need a driver for the raid card. So there maybe a card that will let use use 1 drive. The only other thing is a slot adapter that would let you use 2 different cards with 1 ssd or m.2 on it. I would try the ssd on a pci card next. That might be your best bet. Sabrent has a m.2 to. Ssd adapter I would try that
Does one of them have the operating system on it? If that's the internal hard drive and they're all formatted how's it going to boot up without an operating system?
Have you tried setting up the raid across all 4 SSDs on a PC and then putting it in the PS5 afterwards?
I presume you tried with formating all 4 ssd's individually before trying them all together?
Good job.. too bad it didn't work.., would you experiment with the series x or s next?
Maybe I'm crazy but you can try this, put the raid one in the first slot of the software raid one cause that worked
Is there an adapter you can buy like a splitter so you can plug it in two boat spots and then unplug it from one
You can try consulting with a software specialist or hacker maybe! maybe knows what accessories to be needed, and you don't waste your money, this is a very interesting idea and I'd like to see it's results and hope it works!!
Crazy that even the aftermarket Xbox storage worked but the raid card won't. Woulda been crazy to see a PS5 with like 16TB of storage. Maybe try running the raid card on the series x with the opposite of the adapter ya used to go Xbox into the PS5.
Try it see if it works. Love this kinda of content. Hmmm I wonder if that would work
Cool video regardless. However, my initial thoughts on what all your doing is, it would never work, because you're trying to use x16 devices on an x4 slot. At a minimum, you would likely have to get a card that handles Bifurcation on the board, while only requiring an x4 slot. I don't know of any. I got an ASM2824 / SI-PEX40157 card on eBay to solve this issue on a board which didn't support Bifurcation, but it's still an x16 slot card. Is your m.2 to PCIex16 slot adapter actually using the x16 in total, or is it just a physical x16 with only connectivity to x4? I would think the latter.
Can you speed test that raid card on your pc am interested in that.
Can you put high end graphics card on old MOTHERBOARD?
YOU HAVE TO INITIALIZE The NvME SSDs (On A Computer) BEFORE USE!!
On the PS4 [When I Upgraded The HHD To An SSD] Had Too Install The PS4 Firmware on the SSD BEFORE Installation
Connect the hd wire ps5 and gpu together then try to external hd ps5 to tv
Not sure what raid level you set but the ps5 OS would probably only recognize RAID-0 striping, if you set up RAID-5 it probably has no code to check for parity bits
I wonder if you could figure a way to be able to use triple screen monitors to display the one image from PS5 like a video wall.
Maybe it's a matter of SSD formatting. My theory is that the ps5 only reads data from drives formatted in their proprietary filesystem extension. I suppose it is a security feature, in order to avoid the cloning of drives to share free copies of games
PS5 is happy to format an SSD it recognizes into own proprietary format. If it does recognize an SSD and it is NOT formatted into own format, it will show a promt on startup to either format SSD or shut down itself for removing an SSD.
The only hardware raid that maybe work is a m.2 drive that has a raid 0, but it'll be all in one package, I don't know if anything like that exist, I have a old pci sdd that has a hardware raid solution, but as I said is all in one package, and you cannot put any other drive.
Could you format one drive separate from the raid then using a computer clone that to the raid array?
Did you try to play games with the GPU plugged in? Even if the display output isn't being used, it's possible that the PS5 would still use the GPU for compute, if the drivers recognize the card...
your going to have to jail break your ps5 to install linux. That is going to flash your ps5 to the new operating system or IOS so save or copy your old flash so you can bring it back.
Regular m.2 to pcie then a pcie splitter put raid card in one and a pcie extension to the pc ?
Maybe get a ps5 at stock firmware and wait for homebrew, I'm sure this will work eventually. Have you already tried external RAID SSD via USB? one that spans the devices as 1 storage
Can you setup the raid card in JBOD mode on the computer then install in the PS5?
Will the highpoint work without any drivers on a PC? If not then it seems like a lost cause. If it does, maybe speak with Wendell at level1techs maybe he can hook up some pci-e sniffer to figure out what is wrong
Yes it should but, he foregot to create a volume on the highpoint with a ssd, or all four first. He must do this in a pc first. I doubt the PS5 OS boots the ROM from Highpoint, then the Raid-Controller presents the PS5 with a drive(aka as the volume on the controller) that it can use like a ssd. The driver then is only needed for Windows to get the best experience out the HW. One will have still acces to the Volume/Drive in safe mode where Windows doesnt load the driver but uses its generic drive-driver. Same should/could work for the PS5. But having no Volume on the highpoint, is like putting an empty NVME Slot-thingy in the PS5, there is simply no drive.
@@hawkeyede9441 I didn't forget. I just didn't show it.
U know normally u need to restart the ps5 to get the display port of the GPU initialized right?
Try the Asus Hyper M.2 Xpander? Not saying it would work, but it is PCIE Gen 4 and not as expensive.
That sata cable to 6 pin is a fire hazard so if anyone does this for long term use please use a 6 pin from your psu
Can you not run a disc drive over the m.2
Can someone tell me where i can get that ps5 decal he has on his one from?
you maybe mismatch the pci-e lanes and gens , the ps5 nvme port (every nvme port have 4 lanes in normal situation ) is pci-e gen4 with 4 lanes , for that raid card need 16 physical lanes, 4 lanes each nvme drive and the controller make a raid between the 4x4 lanes so in this way absolutly not working of course , your riser have 4 lanes from the nvme adapter , and your pci-e slot size same like a 16 lanes slot but electricaly just 4 lanes have in that port , if find somewhere(maybe nowhere) a 4 to 16 lanes plx controlled extension ( like a 1 to 4 port in mining plx) maybe with that work but that chips not already have pci-e gen4 compatibility (used on bigger mother boards for the multi gpu setups in the older generations pc with pci-e gen2-3) or the lanes can split up 1-1-1-1 up/downlink and lose the port speed and stability , and should by the PS OS not working in splitted pci-e bifurcation mode (need software compatibility).
Can you find a way to get any ssd to run on an Xbox with the slot on the back
Clearly all the 6900XT needed was the same "palette cleanser" that you gave the hardware raid card
Maybe it will work with a Supermicro AOC-SLG3-2H8M2-O. It has a LSI/Broadcom ROC.
So just like a computer you supposed to connect to the GPU to your tv/monitor
Motherboards with built in graphics that have a video card also installed will default to the onboard graphics if that is what's plugged into the monitor on power on. The true way to test a graphics card in the extender would be to power up the ps5 with the graphics card plugged into the monitor, not the ps5's on board hdmi
Where would the ps5 get the drivers
@@Chris-dy1cb drivers for amd video cards a similar across multiple different designations using the same chipset (rx6600, rx6700, rx6800). While the ps5's video card is unique it may be similar enough to another dedicated graphics cards base chipset to still initialize a different graphics card from amd. Regardless of the graphics card being used (interal as based on the ps5 dedicated graphics) there have to be drivers for it to work so the ps5 os has drivers... just need to find the right dedicated graphics card that will work with those drivers - which may be impossible but regardless would still require the dedicated graphics card to be plugged in on bootup rather that the embedded video card
Sony can be as unhappy with this video as they want, it doesn't change the fact that you have the right to do with YOUR PS5 whatever you choose. With their garbage suit against Dbrand, I'm never going to buy one anyway. With that said, Sony and Xbox probably use proprietary formats. I would try using a linux-based disk cloning tool like DD to rip an image of a single SSD and populate the array with that image. That might also work on the Xbox... FOR SCIENCE!
Cant you boot into linux on ps5 like some of cracked ps4s work? If you can do so its gonna be easy to make the driver load
Did you fasten the ssds?
Would it not be easier to use a egpu box like Razer's
is it bad my first thought on how he powered this shouldn't have been with a motherboard connected to the PSU, but to use a jumper to tell the PSU to supply power. i use-to do it with a paperclip to test fans/pumps all the time.
You only formated one of the fourth drives directly in the PlayStation
How come you didn't power it off and then power it back on before he plugged it in expecting it to work.
I see you rocking that LTT merch.
Maybe it needs to be formatted before its installed since it cant do all 4 at once
I'm not sure how you set it up.. but the only way it works is if you set it up on a PC 1st, create 1 large petition in raid 0, but don't format it. Then plug it into the ps5 and see if it recognizes it as 1 big drive and asks to format it.
Why did you NOT restart the PS while the GPU had the HDMI in?