So to summarize, for $4600 you get: a 120mm AIO for the CPU, a B series motherboard, no vrm cooling on the 4090, incorrectly installed components (fan wiring) and as a result high noise and temperatures. Amazing.
This is absolutely absurd!! I have no words for what an absolutely ripoff this PC is. Not to mention the garbage cooling for that price! So glad reviewers like this exist! Calling out these companies hopefully forces them to make changes for the better.
I just wanna know if you replace that shi.t-tier intel CPU with 7800X3D thermals might be better overall. Why anyone would buy such a costly system and not go AMD...
@@bismuth7730 Yeah that things a beast, I have one mounted to my top rear exhaust fan mount in between my GPU and CPU waterblock and it works well way better than anticipated lol.
Yeah, I had to switch from mostly corsair, to none. And the worst thing is that people complain and then the corsair shills call you stupid, cause they apparently haven't seen any bugs.
@@Skelterbane69lol that's the exact reason i haven't updated iQUE in over 3 years.. only version that wasn't complete arse at the time and didn't have the insane cpu usage bug so i refuse to update it.
I'm determined to avoid Corsair, because they did something I really didn't gel with way back and now that they're everywhere, I see it as a some sort of a challenge. Granted, not a particularly difficult one, but a challenge nonetheless.
what a statement!! i mean the fan blows over it so it counts right? i mean people went nuts over "my vram is going 100+ despite gddr6x goes up to 110?, amd having 95 max temps but everyone going nuts and crazy over having 80 degree load temps? its almost like "specs" dont matter at all to the general consumer besides "it make my pc go brrrrr"
@@mikeymaiku They only mentioned longevity. Which is going to get you a further distance, sprinting until you are exhausted or walking until you are exhausted? Using equipment within specification range instead of at the edge of the specification is going to provide a better experience. Equipment starts throttling at higher temperatures, even before getting to the maximum specification. An example would be a cpu at 95c throttling pulling 330w at 4.9ghz, but the same one with different cooling and settings would run at 80c pulling 300w but at 5.1ghz. Also, the reported temperature is not always the actual temperature, its may be close but reporting is usually lower. The sensor is usually for one of the hottest components, not all of them individually. Sometimes they are next to the hot component, not inside it, and even if they are inside the hot component the sensor itself requires space that relocates the heat generation, potentially moving the hotspot entirely. More heat does not mean more better. The measurement in the video was over 86c for components that would easily be lower just by adding the cheapest heatsink with some thermal glue. This is a product that costs over $4700 with a prebuilt fee around $1600 that cannot even run at stock performance because of cost shaving choices. That is unacceptable to me.
I haven't seen the video, yet, but I just want to say that I really appreciate how you title your videos. It's really refreshing to see titles and thumbnails that are representative of the video contents. Not this BS where some title it "I made a HUGE mistake," or "I'm getting a divorce," or "You won't believe how cool this case is ;)" or some other clickbait garbage that has nothing to do with the video itself. Yours and a few others are to the point and for that reason, I'll continue watching your videos and support you. Thank you!
Just to reiterate for people within the USA, a manufacturer can not void a warranty just because you damaged a tamper-proof sticker. The FTC and the Mag-Moss Act are very clear on this. A direct quote from the FTC, "companies can't void a consumer's warranty or deny warranty coverage solely because the consumer uses a part made by someone else or gets someone not authorized by the company to perform service on the product."
Might as well be just an indicator for Corsair support to know if you've been inside the case should it ever come to an RMA. It doesn't explicitly say 'warranty void'.
I am personally interested how then provide a way to show user did actually break the thing by opening and not just lie in OEM perspective without making users butthurted whiners like over the arranty void stickers over screws? I understand OEM is just so much easier say redline if you go deeper than this its warranty void.
@@XantheFIN Look at it the other way around. If the sticker is untouched it can be more or less ruled out by the OEM that it is physical user abuse thus speeding up handling of warranty cases. If sticker is broken it's not necessarily an issue, just an indication that the user has been 'in' there and will need further inspection which could otherwise have been skipped.
You could put a 14900K with a 240mm AIO and a 4090 FE in a 9.95L FormD T1 and have it perform way better than the Corsair system. All for $1600-$2000 cheaper and 12L smaller.
I like that they tried the wood fronted case, like the fractal north. But then put RGB Gaming LEDS in the case, making it completly clash with the more reserved wooden look...
I think it might work with white lights, but the unicorn barf looks pretty tacky. But either way it looks like the lights are the least of this system's problems lol.
Corsair fans are always louder than you would expect for the cost of them. Arctic, Coolermaster and Thermalright ones are way cheaper and better in my experience, can have them a fair bit higher RPM for similar noise to Corsair ML120.
Vertically mount that GPU, stick a proper block on it to cool the whole thing and place it as close as possible to the motherboard. Now you have enough clearance to install a proper AIO with 120 normal Fans for the CPU since the gpu will be slim enough for it and avoid any possible problem with the power connector. Problem solved. I could also play around with the the top GPU AIO fans and set them as intake and side AIO as intake and stick a good quality high RPM Fan at the back as exhaust and see how things will go, I bet thermals and noise will be great.
Here my question for Corsair. Why did you not put a 7800 X3D or 7950 X3D in it? Much more fitting for such a case, a much lower power while it still has a great performance.
@@fajaradi1223 If the goal is to test what you get away with in a R&D-lab, sure. But they shipped it like this to Roman, even if it is just an early pre-release sample. At that moment you shouldn't push the electrical power beyond what it can handle and then you want to get the optimal performance with whatever electrical power budget it has. If you look at the review of Anandtech for the 14900k then you can see that the peak power for the 14900k is 428 Watt, for the peak power for the 7950 X3D is 147 Watt, the peak power for the 7800 X3D 82 Watt. Pick a targetgroup (gamers, productivity, mix) and pick one of those 2 Ryzen CPU's and you can cut 346 or 281 Watt. That will help a lot for both noise and the GPU while you basically don't sacrifice any performance if you pick the 7950 X3D. By the way, I think that Intel deserves some fierce criticism from the reviewers for clocking these CPU's too high, as did AMD when they launched their regular Zen4-CPU's. One more reason why the X3D-CPU's are more attractive, the balance between electrical power + noise and performance is much better. Let regular PC-users (gamers or productivity) use two systems without doing any benchmarking, one with the reasonable tuning and the other clocked too high and I dare to put 1 kg of gold on the far majority of them preferring the first system.
@@Felale That could be but of course Corsair also looks at how easily they THINK that it sells and there is this issue that small (compared to the OEM's) PC-sellers like Corsair depend on companies which deliver certain components in bulk. I don't know in detail how this works in the desktop-market but in the laptop-market for years many companies (like for example MSI) had no other option than Intel+NVidia because the companies which they bought from refused to sell systems with AMD in it. I suspect that part of this is the economy of scale (lower price when you buy more) and part of it is the perceived reputation which AMD had.
So strange. It is an over-engineered product with worse cooling than a similar sized traditional air cooled build. What is even stranger is that Corsair themselves designed the original Corsair One - an even smaller case that had great cooling performance.
Corsair corps looking at GPU blocks thinking "Can we just put a CPU AIO and be done with it? That big thingy is expensive and unnecessary" Well, when these cards start claiming warranty completely burned, they will learn.
Right? It's like they looked at what the market will bare for pricing and took all their R&D time to figure out what corners they could cut instead of making it good.
Come on, it's Corsair we're talking about here : If it ain't got RGB in it, it will be cheaply built. If it have RGB in it, it will be less (but not hat much) cheaply built...for a premium.
Finally we are getting more and more reviewers who trashes bad products and not just "looks it's RGB, go buy it", people like you is the change we need and as gemers nexus showed swimming against current finally brings results, thanks.
To some extent I'd give that a pass myself - if you are selling a computer to somebody that knows nothing about computers keeping it simple and biasing your prebuild to the side of relatively cranked up cooling at all times. I know from experience a system that was 'silent' most of the time but could end up sounding very loud if you ever stress it a bit causes panicked phone calls from the family, "What have I done wrong? Why has it suddenly got loud! It never did that before". So having it be a little more consistent might be a good idea.
I guess you can't tell the difference between real walnut and what I assume was glossy laminate. The unaligned grain on the left panel here is not great, admittedly.
@@Akkbar21 I feel bad for you, that you can't see the value in making everyday objects more attractive. Should cars be ugly, since they're just for transportation or winning races? Go enjoy your Consulier GTP then ig.
@@concinnus Yes, because slapping in two pieces of mismatched wood on the front of a product with zero other tie-in reaaaally makes it prettier. They didn't bother to match the grain nor the shading. Man, soooooo pretty. Amazing. Meanwhile, my LS460 and my S550 has/had way more matching wood. And actually tied it into the design, rather than just slapping it in and pretending it made it luxury.
On the air cooler test is very interesting. You could even suggest that with some kind of vent shroud and a cooler designed accordingly, then a air cooler could perform even outperform the aio.
SI here, a very weird way of shooting yourself in the foot. Its nice to see an attempt to shove all that power into a 22L box while the smallest we have in that configuration is 33L but without any performance hit or overheating issues ( Using B760M)
Given the price, the under load noise is unacceptable. This will be sitting on your desk, next to your face. They claim this is a small case... It's a small case if you compare it to my Corsair 7000D with this being 80 litres. Perhaps they were comparing it to the full tower cases they make. In the paperwork, they mention the word "optimise" several times. The only thing they seem to have optimised is finding the least amount of cooling hardware that they can get away with, while keeping the machine running. They've optimised the profit that they can make from this. It's a shame, the Corsair One machines were always fascinating and unique to me.
This is for niche people who love their casing to look like a mini antique wardrobe with RGB . So far, Apple has built MacPro with a trash can and cheese grater chassis, now Corsair wanna build a wardrobe case , next maybe we will see someone build a case that resembles a toilet bowl.
10:07 You can clearly see the issue on the right side of the graph. It has a peak of 15k rpm and it starts at around 3200 rpm. Could be that they updated the bios and it messed up the default settings.
I think the fact that the fan next to the cpu aio is blasting hot air next to the aio input is doing a lot more than whatever overpressure problem there is, seeing as the rear is really perforated
Does it even make sense to put a K CPU in there? The non-K version would be almost as fast, and with a B760 chipset you can't take advantage of the K CPU being unlocked anyway.
Many pre- builds do this, sell the " holy grail configuration" ( 1490k + 4090) and then limit the power of the CPU so it effectively becomes a 13700. The 4090, although watercooled, seems cheap with its missing VRM cooling. The case is nice and I appreciate your extensive testing and trouble shooting. But for that price nobody is willing to fix a small error in that pre- build. Theres just so much wrong. It needs a way better AIO for the CPU, maybe a THICC 240mm on that side, it needs a " real" 4090 with a great cooler, thicc fans throughout that run silently and it needs a good BIOS with ALL the powerlimits removed and fancurves adjusted.
I really liked the old Corsair One systems...I bought one with 9900k and 2080ti for my shop and it worked great! It was definitely over priced, but it was very small and it fit the space I had for it perfectly...This new one looks nice on the outside, but using a 120mm AIO for a 14900k is crazy! Even my old Corsair One has 240mm rads for the GPU and the CPU...
Just watched KitGuru test their Corsair One i500 and they came up with different results as you, but they probably only did this after so many comments referring to your video (and how they didn't address the thermals in their initial review). Referenced your video a few times too, just thought you should be made aware of this.
It was pretty ambitious to put a 14900k and a 4090 into a semi-SFF PC. Overall I think they did a good job on the designs, but it is just too much wattage to handle. it is also much larger than the old One.
NGL, i find the fractal North more stylish and functional (front air intake). Also you can't be sure about the grain of the wood in the front. You might get different shades/grain that don't match.
Thank you for an honest review instead of the blatant cheerleading I heard from a rival reviewer. He even dismissed your problems as being entirely due to the firmware issue when your review was brought up in the comments.
I'd love to see how that case would work with a single custom loop in it. Seems like it has quite a lot of potential with thick enough radiators and fans, and probably most importantly for any smaller build sharing those radiators and fans for both CPU and GPU - you always have more limited airflow/radiator thickness in the small space builds, but rarely in the real world are both of the big heat generators loaded up at once so in effect you have a much larger radiator for the one under load when they share than if you split the radiators.
Did not expect Corsair to get roasted so hard by such simple things der8auer found as an individual vs the corsair team had when building and testing this product.
yea 12 liters is about as small as you can go before you have to start making performance compromises (barring large gpus). i dont consider 20l to be small form factor (you could call it the upper bound however). when i was a system integrator back in the p4 days, we would call that a mini tower. 15l and up you can use micro atx rather than mini itx, and the integration isnt so tight. though i have a 10l case that could handle a micro atx and you can sometimes get a flexatx into some smaller cases.
I had the same thing happen for my fans running at 100% after changing from liquid to air cooling. The issue is that corsair software is set to cool based on coolant temp, if it does not detect a coolant temp, because no probe is connected, it just runs the fans full blast. I was using icue so I was able to just change them to use cpu temp instead of coolant temp.
Corsair: spend months designing what they believe to be an innovative cooling design. Der8auer : slaps a mid-range Noctua CPU cooler and drops the GPU temps by 40C.
I think you were very fair in this review. If I had spent that much money on it and it performed like this, I would be irate. It looks great and it's a good idea. It just doesn't execute on what it promises. There's a bunch of over-engineering that hinders it's productivity. The fact that the included software doesn't integrate their own product line is wild. Plugging the fans in backwards is an accident that should have been noticed in testing before sending it out, but likely wasn't because the the cooling was already inadequate. If you're testing this and want an outside opinion, why would you send a CPU/GPU combination that you could cook a steak on? Why not send a 14700k/4070ti or any AMD build? They should have known it wasn't good enough. It doesn't make any sense. Either they knew and sent it anyway, or they didn't test it.
Corsair product not working as it should? INCREDIBLE ;) BTW. No BIOS update will change the fact that Corsair uses a 120cm AIO to cool a 250W CPU in a $4k computer
As usual great video! I feel Corsair is using you and some other channels as beta testers. It feels like early access games. I guess with the new 188 watts baseline profile for the intel cpus, the temp should go down even further, as long as users apply it of course.
I treat a computer case as being like a piece of furniture that protects what is inside. I know some people like small machines but this seems like it doesn't quite pass for the top spec. It's probably more engineered for an i5 with a much smaller GPU as well.
It would be interesting to see a video about how you could improve it, maybe by slowly changing out stuff, like you did with the fans, so maybe see if a large AIO can fit instead of that small one. And even see if you changes the motherboard for a better one and then maybe even changing MB and CPU to the 7800X3D to see if that was easier to cool. And try changing all the fans to Noctua fans. And maybe even try to apply your own VRM heatsinks on the GPU to see how big of an impact that would have.
25:37 Wouldn't this mean that the 120mm AIO isn't a waste? It looked like you tested the NH-D9L while leaving the 25mm fans on, meaning that we should be comparing the NH-D9L results with the 25mm Fan results, which suggests that the 120mm AIO with 25mm fans outperforms the NH-D9L with 25mm fans by 6,5c
Great investigation of the system. People should invest some time to watch videos on how to build their own system so they spend less and get more. But i have to admit that this case looks super cool. If corsair made the case available for purchase as standalone would probably make more money than expecting to sell a complete garbo system.
You should disable HT, run 5.6-5.8Ghz P cores with 4.4Ghz on E cores and as low voltage as possible and you'll get better gaming performance, about the same 36k in R23 but with sub 220W package and much better temps. This will keep the PC quieter, more stable, run cooler and also faster.
I really don’t like several things about this. 1: the power delivery needs to be cooled on the 4090 2: 120mm aio is not enough for a 14900k they should have used the extra space for a 240mm. 3: they should have done more r&d on the fan blade design and thickness. Missed opportunities for sure. 4: I don’t like the angle on that gpu power connector either. Makes me a little nervous. things u like 1: beautiful design, very unique opportunities for cooling mods and improvements by what I see. I would have a blast modding this and achieving way better cooling! 2: I really love the rgb control on the front. Very unique touch style With all that said I’ve had a Corsair one before and guess what pump failed on the original owner less than a year in, then the pump failed on me and started leaking all over the place and got all over the motherboard. The aio hoses inside are very short and often a lot of angle and stress is put on the tubes and over time it’s not the best choice. I think softer tubes would be better if they continue to go with aio. Those hard tubes are actually harder to bend and have too much tension when bent in place.
24:16 I think a top-down cooler like the Thermalright SI-100 would have worked better with the side fans blasting air onto it. Also, I wonder if a 240mm AIO would fit.
Im very surprised they went with wood grain as the only option, and not even multiple wood grain colors/types. I hate that style of wood grain, reminds me of cheap basement paneling in the 70s-80s lol. Not what brings the positive type of nostalgia for me. But especially at that price point give a grey front or white and grey overall scheme like the 4000D, one of their best products in the past few years.
At least in the US, warranty void stickers are illegal. Not sure about laws in the EU though. Corsair will likely get a slap on the hand if they ship this to US customers with those stickers.
They could have made things a lot better if they at least went with a 7800x3d, as for using an AIO, for shipping reasons it just makes it safer to transport than using a large air cooler. Still if you are going to us an aio, maybe use a slightly bigger one.
Hello @der8auer, during your visit have you seen "Chipset coolers"? Why I'm asking is because my asus chipset overheating at 82 C while using the RAID mode.
Bizarre choices , Corsair seemed to decide they could ignore everything about case construction, air flow, component choice power draw , fan performance and rpm noise ceilings because of liquid cooling - it's not a magic bullet - it's real strength is we can take heat from one place and quickly move it to another and that's about it, it doesn't mean you can throw every other thermal principle out the window
I think one of main reasons for all AIO even if they are borderline insufficient is because they survive shipping far far more. No point having a "more reliable" air cooler if it makes the several grand PC break in shipping. Lack of bigger fans definitely a miss tho. I think shipping survival is one of main reasons alienware has the crazy over engineered fans and fan systems gamers nexus like to laugh at as well lol (though obviously in both cases better cooling alternative would still be better especially for price)
These companies need to stop slapping wood in their products and pretending it somehow looks better. Especially when the pieces don't even match (both in shading and in the grain), and it's not in any way tied into anything. You have to consider the overall design, you can't just smack it into place and say it's now a luxury item. This reminds me of American car companies trying to copy German and Japanese luxury companies, just arbitrarily slapping wood (fake wood, to make it funnier) into the car. It ends up looking so out of place because it is just placed there with no understanding of why other companies did it.
I'm so glad I can do this myself. I genuinly feel sad for people that rely on these companies to sell them a decent computer. Did the people working on this even have an engineering degree? I mean, whats the point of ramping fans on CPU temperature these days with the power density chips have. It takes minutes for the heatsink to soak... Use the water temp... Also, they clearly didnt understand what Fractal was going for, with the wood veneer. You dont then add LED strips next to it.
Using air to cool the VRM is fine - as long as it has something to transfer the freakin heat to the air properly. Those things NEED a heatsink - I don't care what they may think otherwise.
Lol. Got a 14900k and a 7900xtx cooled by a custom loop. Dual corsair XR7 360mm rads and a Alphacool Nexxus Monsta 120mm rad in the basement of my case. She still gets warm. LOL. The cooling solution for this Corsair system is horrible. Typical prebuilt BS. Send it over to Steve! Would love to hear his input. 😂
Those wooden trim pieces on the front are not pleasant to look at. There are many different styles of grain matching, any of which would be preferable to this.
Why would you want to have your headset on the PC. That means having the PC ON the desk, which means more noise and less cooling (cold ambient air is on the floor).
Seems like there is a problem with fans because they’re incorrectly plugged in/labeled. CPU fans were on the GPU vice versa. Also why use a B760 main board on a K series chip? Also a 120mm AIO on 14900k?? Should be at least 280mm if not 360
What would the results be like if the CPU AIO cooler was swapped for not a CPU tower air cooler but a low-profile CPU air cooler (with the intake cooler fan mounted on top of the CPU and the intake case fans delivering cool air from outside) and the original GPU AIO assembly replaced with the MSI SUPRIM X LIQUID 4090 GPU? I’d like to know.
I got an ad for this system today. It looks really nice, but then I saw "14900 and 4090" with 120mm rad and 240mm rad... I have trouble cooling my 14900 with a 360mm rad. I did not have any confidence in this system's cooling capability.
So to summarize, for $4600 you get: a 120mm AIO for the CPU, a B series motherboard, no vrm cooling on the 4090, incorrectly installed components (fan wiring) and as a result high noise and temperatures.
Amazing.
good conclusion. Only the "just buy it" is missing
This is absolutely absurd!! I have no words for what an absolutely ripoff this PC is. Not to mention the garbage cooling for that price! So glad reviewers like this exist! Calling out these companies hopefully forces them to make changes for the better.
They manage to hit every prebuilt checkbox there is on the list.
I just wanna know if you replace that shi.t-tier intel CPU with 7800X3D thermals might be better overall. Why anyone would buy such a costly system and not go AMD...
@Dr_b_ Keeping it idle
120mm AIO for a 14900k is the equivalent of trying to stop your car by opening your door and press your foot on the ground.
lol 100%. Maybe Alphacool NexXxoS Monsta 120mm radiator would have a chance. Anything else i doubt.
@@bismuth7730 Yeah that things a beast, I have one mounted to my top rear exhaust fan mount in between my GPU and CPU waterblock and it works well way better than anticipated lol.
@@samvega827 you have a rad before the GPU and another rad before the CPU? Sounds very interesting!
@@bismuth7730 It make sense. If his exhaust is at the standard ATX place (alongside IO panel, at the back).
yea fr lol. what a joke when i seen that shizz
Corsair explicitly confirming that iCUE is bloatware is the funniest part of this.
Nah temps are in check . very far from the 12vhp cable issue.
just set hardware lighting for what you can and disable iCue at startup and/or use OpenRGB / Signal RGB for the rest
@@zombl337og All good until they remove saving to hardware for your specific device in a new version...
@@itIsI988 its a policy on STEAM, and their massive
It says a lot when even Corsair doesn't want to use iCue. I just built a new PC and avoided Corsair parts entirely because I hate iCue.
Yeah, I had to switch from mostly corsair, to none.
And the worst thing is that people complain and then the corsair shills call you stupid, cause they apparently haven't seen any bugs.
paying more for worse amirite
@@Skelterbane69lol that's the exact reason i haven't updated iQUE in over 3 years.. only version that wasn't complete arse at the time and didn't have the insane cpu usage bug so i refuse to update it.
I'm determined to avoid Corsair, because they did something I really didn't gel with way back and now that they're everywhere, I see it as a some sort of a challenge. Granted, not a particularly difficult one, but a challenge nonetheless.
u cant name a better RGB and fan (not 3rd party) software :D
4090 without VRM cooling? That will last a long time, I'm sure :D
what a statement!! i mean the fan blows over it so it counts right? i mean people went nuts over "my vram is going 100+ despite gddr6x goes up to 110?, amd having 95 max temps but everyone going nuts and crazy over having 80 degree load temps? its almost like "specs" dont matter at all to the general consumer besides "it make my pc go brrrrr"
It will, because it's a 600w design running at 450w and much lower in games.
well.. the power connector will melt before vrms die so... well calculated by Corsair
@@mikeymaiku yet another reason, plus the $1,000 price increase that ive always gone 1 tier down from the highest end stuff
@@mikeymaiku They only mentioned longevity. Which is going to get you a further distance, sprinting until you are exhausted or walking until you are exhausted? Using equipment within specification range instead of at the edge of the specification is going to provide a better experience.
Equipment starts throttling at higher temperatures, even before getting to the maximum specification. An example would be a cpu at 95c throttling pulling 330w at 4.9ghz, but the same one with different cooling and settings would run at 80c pulling 300w but at 5.1ghz.
Also, the reported temperature is not always the actual temperature, its may be close but reporting is usually lower. The sensor is usually for one of the hottest components, not all of them individually. Sometimes they are next to the hot component, not inside it, and even if they are inside the hot component the sensor itself requires space that relocates the heat generation, potentially moving the hotspot entirely.
More heat does not mean more better. The measurement in the video was over 86c for components that would easily be lower just by adding the cheapest heatsink with some thermal glue.
This is a product that costs over $4700 with a prebuilt fee around $1600 that cannot even run at stock performance because of cost shaving choices. That is unacceptable to me.
I haven't seen the video, yet, but I just want to say that I really appreciate how you title your videos. It's really refreshing to see titles and thumbnails that are representative of the video contents. Not this BS where some title it "I made a HUGE mistake," or "I'm getting a divorce," or "You won't believe how cool this case is ;)" or some other clickbait garbage that has nothing to do with the video itself. Yours and a few others are to the point and for that reason, I'll continue watching your videos and support you. Thank you!
Just to reiterate for people within the USA, a manufacturer can not void a warranty just because you damaged a tamper-proof sticker. The FTC and the Mag-Moss Act are very clear on this. A direct quote from the FTC, "companies can't void a consumer's warranty or deny warranty coverage solely because the consumer uses a part made by someone else or gets someone not authorized by the company to perform service on the product."
I think at this point it's only done to make those not informed, and to scare less informed people, into not servicing their products.
"that's a beautiful looking backside!"
-derbauer, 2024
In the US and EU those "warranty void" stickers are meaningless and can't legally be enforced.
Might as well be just an indicator for Corsair support to know if you've been inside the case should it ever come to an RMA. It doesn't explicitly say 'warranty void'.
Basically now it just means they're going to be arses and make you jump through every hoop
I am personally interested how then provide a way to show user did actually break the thing by opening and not just lie in OEM perspective without making users butthurted whiners like over the arranty void stickers over screws? I understand OEM is just so much easier say redline if you go deeper than this its warranty void.
@@XantheFIN Look at it the other way around. If the sticker is untouched it can be more or less ruled out by the OEM that it is physical user abuse thus speeding up handling of warranty cases. If sticker is broken it's not necessarily an issue, just an indication that the user has been 'in' there and will need further inspection which could otherwise have been skipped.
Too bad the world is not just us and eu
You could put a 14900K with a 240mm AIO and a 4090 FE in a 9.95L FormD T1 and have it perform way better than the Corsair system. All for $1600-$2000 cheaper and 12L smaller.
"I am having the experience of visiting a datacenter" OOF that's brutal
I like that they tried the wood fronted case, like the fractal north. But then put RGB Gaming LEDS in the case, making it completly clash with the more reserved wooden look...
I think it might work with white lights, but the unicorn barf looks pretty tacky.
But either way it looks like the lights are the least of this system's problems lol.
could work with a warm orange tone similar to incandescent bulbs
Corsair fans are always louder than you would expect for the cost of them. Arctic, Coolermaster and Thermalright ones are way cheaper and better in my experience, can have them a fair bit higher RPM for similar noise to Corsair ML120.
Vertically mount that GPU, stick a proper block on it to cool the whole thing and place it as close as possible to the motherboard. Now you have enough clearance to install a proper AIO with 120 normal Fans for the CPU since the gpu will be slim enough for it and avoid any possible problem with the power connector. Problem solved.
I could also play around with the the top GPU AIO fans and set them as intake and side AIO as intake and stick a good quality high RPM Fan at the back as exhaust and see how things will go, I bet thermals and noise will be great.
Here my question for Corsair. Why did you not put a 7800 X3D or 7950 X3D in it? Much more fitting for such a case, a much lower power while it still has a great performance.
I don't mind worst case scenario testing methods
Intel gave them a better bulk deal.
@@fajaradi1223 If the goal is to test what you get away with in a R&D-lab, sure. But they shipped it like this to Roman, even if it is just an early pre-release sample. At that moment you shouldn't push the electrical power beyond what it can handle and then you want to get the optimal performance with whatever electrical power budget it has. If you look at the review of Anandtech for the 14900k then you can see that the peak power for the 14900k is 428 Watt, for the peak power for the 7950 X3D is 147 Watt, the peak power for the 7800 X3D 82 Watt. Pick a targetgroup (gamers, productivity, mix) and pick one of those 2 Ryzen CPU's and you can cut 346 or 281 Watt. That will help a lot for both noise and the GPU while you basically don't sacrifice any performance if you pick the 7950 X3D.
By the way, I think that Intel deserves some fierce criticism from the reviewers for clocking these CPU's too high, as did AMD when they launched their regular Zen4-CPU's. One more reason why the X3D-CPU's are more attractive, the balance between electrical power + noise and performance is much better. Let regular PC-users (gamers or productivity) use two systems without doing any benchmarking, one with the reasonable tuning and the other clocked too high and I dare to put 1 kg of gold on the far majority of them preferring the first system.
So they can charge more
@@Felale That could be but of course Corsair also looks at how easily they THINK that it sells and there is this issue that small (compared to the OEM's) PC-sellers like Corsair depend on companies which deliver certain components in bulk. I don't know in detail how this works in the desktop-market but in the laptop-market for years many companies (like for example MSI) had no other option than Intel+NVidia because the companies which they bought from refused to sell systems with AMD in it. I suspect that part of this is the economy of scale (lower price when you buy more) and part of it is the perceived reputation which AMD had.
$4600 USD? Holy shit.
Weird thing is there's plenty of people who won't bat an eye at paying such a premium for a pre-built PC.
Yeeeee hard pass 😂
$4600 sure let me just get my wallet 🤣
4600 usd to get scammed
Not a bad price for a mini supercomputer.
Corsair at their best... they have a freaking 180 Degree 12VHPWR adapter and bend the cable like that.
I fully anticipate seeing Northridge Fix working on these weird naked VRM models shortly.
So strange. It is an over-engineered product with worse cooling than a similar sized traditional air cooled build.
What is even stranger is that Corsair themselves designed the original Corsair One - an even smaller case that had great cooling performance.
Almost every choice they made is baffling. 21.7 liters is crossing the line into "MFF"
Falcon Northwest: "Hold My Beer" !
Those naked GPU VRMs will get toasty after a couple of months of dust buildup.
They're already toasty.
Thats why you use non-glass panels. If you cant see it, it doesnt exist 💯
Hopefully it will break just after warranty expiration
Corsair corps looking at GPU blocks thinking "Can we just put a CPU AIO and be done with it? That big thingy is expensive and unnecessary" Well, when these cards start claiming warranty completely burned, they will learn.
120mm aio and b760 for 4.5 grand?
Right? It's like they looked at what the market will bare for pricing and took all their R&D time to figure out what corners they could cut instead of making it good.
They saw what Alienware/Dell were doing and excepted the challenge. I don't know what they were thinking.
@@benjaminfrohnsthey were thinking about big profit margins
120mm Aio for a 14900k feel cheap Not gonna lie
Could've put a 240mm in that space area
even the 240mm is a joke for a 260w+ cpu
like cooling a 7lt v8 with a 200mm pc fan
Come on, it's Corsair we're talking about here : If it ain't got RGB in it, it will be cheaply built. If it have RGB in it, it will be less (but not hat much) cheaply built...for a premium.
Finally we are getting more and more reviewers who trashes bad products and not just "looks it's RGB, go buy it", people like you is the change we need and as gemers nexus showed swimming against current finally brings results, thanks.
Ouch! Corsair? 5000 for a pc with a b760 motherboard?! Good Apple impression!
You would expect Corsair to have fixed their fan speeds in their prebuilts after GN’s $6000 PC from Origin some time back, but guess not
To some extent I'd give that a pass myself - if you are selling a computer to somebody that knows nothing about computers keeping it simple and biasing your prebuild to the side of relatively cranked up cooling at all times. I know from experience a system that was 'silent' most of the time but could end up sounding very loud if you ever stress it a bit causes panicked phone calls from the family, "What have I done wrong? Why has it suddenly got loud! It never did that before". So having it be a little more consistent might be a good idea.
That PC's fan curve was set to hit 100% at under 45°C. I don't think it'd be very pleasant listening to fans hit 2,400RPM
@@foldionepapyrus3441 You would hope someone spending 5000$ on a computer knows a little bit about this stuff... You would hope.
Looks like my 1970s bedroom wood paneling
I guess you can't tell the difference between real walnut and what I assume was glossy laminate. The unaligned grain on the left panel here is not great, admittedly.
@@concinnusputting wood on the front of cases is stupid. A computer is a tool, not a piece of nerd jewelry.
@@Akkbar21 I feel bad for you, that you can't see the value in making everyday objects more attractive. Should cars be ugly, since they're just for transportation or winning races? Go enjoy your Consulier GTP then ig.
@@concinnus Yes, because slapping in two pieces of mismatched wood on the front of a product with zero other tie-in reaaaally makes it prettier. They didn't bother to match the grain nor the shading. Man, soooooo pretty. Amazing.
Meanwhile, my LS460 and my S550 has/had way more matching wood. And actually tied it into the design, rather than just slapping it in and pretending it made it luxury.
The 70s are coming back
The eighties are next!
Geez, "this system is NOT ready for production" is likely what Engineering told Marketing.
Then the bean counters said: "just gonna send it"
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
On the air cooler test is very interesting. You could even suggest that with some kind of vent shroud and a cooler designed accordingly, then a air cooler could perform even outperform the aio.
One day companies will test their products!
Also, nice ad! I run the same PSU in my build!
SI here, a very weird way of shooting yourself in the foot. Its nice to see an attempt to shove all that power into a 22L box while the smallest we have in that configuration is 33L but without any performance hit or overheating issues ( Using B760M)
Given the price, the under load noise is unacceptable. This will be sitting on your desk, next to your face. They claim this is a small case... It's a small case if you compare it to my Corsair 7000D with this being 80 litres. Perhaps they were comparing it to the full tower cases they make.
In the paperwork, they mention the word "optimise" several times. The only thing they seem to have optimised is finding the least amount of cooling hardware that they can get away with, while keeping the machine running. They've optimised the profit that they can make from this. It's a shame, the Corsair One machines were always fascinating and unique to me.
This is for niche people who love their casing to look like a mini antique wardrobe with RGB . So far, Apple has built MacPro with a trash can and cheese grater chassis, now Corsair wanna build a wardrobe case , next maybe we will see someone build a case that resembles a toilet bowl.
10:07 You can clearly see the issue on the right side of the graph. It has a peak of 15k rpm and it starts at around 3200 rpm. Could be that they updated the bios and it messed up the default settings.
I think the fact that the fan next to the cpu aio is blasting hot air next to the aio input is doing a lot more than whatever overpressure problem there is, seeing as the rear is really perforated
This case is beautiful
Does it even make sense to put a K CPU in there? The non-K version would be almost as fast, and with a B760 chipset you can't take advantage of the K CPU being unlocked anyway.
Especially when they use lower power targets
Man that case is sick. I wish I could buy just the case.
Thank you for a great thorough review!
If it's a sample you'd think they'd be extra careful to check it was correctly configured. Especially if sending to someone like Roman.
Many pre- builds do this, sell the " holy grail configuration" ( 1490k + 4090) and then limit the power of the CPU so it effectively becomes a 13700. The 4090, although watercooled, seems cheap with its missing VRM cooling. The case is nice and I appreciate your extensive testing and trouble shooting. But for that price nobody is willing to fix a small error in that pre- build. Theres just so much wrong. It needs a way better AIO for the CPU, maybe a THICC 240mm on that side, it needs a " real" 4090 with a great cooler, thicc fans throughout that run silently and it needs a good BIOS with ALL the powerlimits removed and fancurves adjusted.
I really liked the old Corsair One systems...I bought one with 9900k and 2080ti for my shop and it worked great! It was definitely over priced, but it was very small and it fit the space I had for it perfectly...This new one looks nice on the outside, but using a 120mm AIO for a 14900k is crazy! Even my old Corsair One has 240mm rads for the GPU and the CPU...
I was wondering about this. My corsair one with a 1080ti is still going strong. Loved that thing.
Approaching summer lmao.
Its been 40-45c outside and 36-38c indoor all last month here in Asia.
Just watched KitGuru test their Corsair One i500 and they came up with different results as you, but they probably only did this after so many comments referring to your video (and how they didn't address the thermals in their initial review). Referenced your video a few times too, just thought you should be made aware of this.
It was pretty ambitious to put a 14900k and a 4090 into a semi-SFF PC. Overall I think they did a good job on the designs, but it is just too much wattage to handle. it is also much larger than the old One.
NGL, i find the fractal North more stylish and functional (front air intake).
Also you can't be sure about the grain of the wood in the front. You might get different shades/grain that don't match.
Thank you for an honest review instead of the blatant cheerleading I heard from a rival reviewer. He even dismissed your problems as being entirely due to the firmware issue when your review was brought up in the comments.
I'd love to see how that case would work with a single custom loop in it. Seems like it has quite a lot of potential with thick enough radiators and fans, and probably most importantly for any smaller build sharing those radiators and fans for both CPU and GPU - you always have more limited airflow/radiator thickness in the small space builds, but rarely in the real world are both of the big heat generators loaded up at once so in effect you have a much larger radiator for the one under load when they share than if you split the radiators.
the case it self looks so good
Did not expect Corsair to get roasted so hard by such simple things der8auer found as an individual vs the corsair team had when building and testing this product.
Fantastic detailed review with a focus on the consumer
yea 12 liters is about as small as you can go before you have to start making performance compromises (barring large gpus). i dont consider 20l to be small form factor (you could call it the upper bound however). when i was a system integrator back in the p4 days, we would call that a mini tower. 15l and up you can use micro atx rather than mini itx, and the integration isnt so tight. though i have a 10l case that could handle a micro atx and you can sometimes get a flexatx into some smaller cases.
I had the same thing happen for my fans running at 100% after changing from liquid to air cooling. The issue is that corsair software is set to cool based on coolant temp, if it does not detect a coolant temp, because no probe is connected, it just runs the fans full blast.
I was using icue so I was able to just change them to use cpu temp instead of coolant temp.
Looks like a classic Mid Tower case from the 2000s and Today.
26.6c = 80 degrees? he sits around in an 80 degree room? this man is crazy
Corsair: spend months designing what they believe to be an innovative cooling design. Der8auer : slaps a mid-range Noctua CPU cooler and drops the GPU temps by 40C.
You should run the tests before disassembling/reassembling the system tho ...
I think you were very fair in this review. If I had spent that much money on it and it performed like this, I would be irate. It looks great and it's a good idea. It just doesn't execute on what it promises. There's a bunch of over-engineering that hinders it's productivity. The fact that the included software doesn't integrate their own product line is wild. Plugging the fans in backwards is an accident that should have been noticed in testing before sending it out, but likely wasn't because the the cooling was already inadequate. If you're testing this and want an outside opinion, why would you send a CPU/GPU combination that you could cook a steak on? Why not send a 14700k/4070ti or any AMD build? They should have known it wasn't good enough. It doesn't make any sense. Either they knew and sent it anyway, or they didn't test it.
I love your honesty
The case is asking for a full noctua build.
3000 RPM PPC Industrials or NF-S12A's?
@@bigpoppa1234 first one
That case is asking for a more sane build
Corsair product not working as it should? INCREDIBLE ;)
BTW. No BIOS update will change the fact that Corsair uses a 120cm AIO to cool a 250W CPU in a $4k computer
As usual great video!
I feel Corsair is using you and some other channels as beta testers. It feels like early access games.
I guess with the new 188 watts baseline profile for the intel cpus, the temp should go down even further, as long as users apply it of course.
I treat a computer case as being like a piece of furniture that protects what is inside. I know some people like small machines but this seems like it doesn't quite pass for the top spec. It's probably more engineered for an i5 with a much smaller GPU as well.
This crowd: Why?...why?...
Corsair One i500: "I am the chosen one. Somebody had to do it!"
It would be interesting to see a video about how you could improve it, maybe by slowly changing out stuff, like you did with the fans, so maybe see if a large AIO can fit instead of that small one. And even see if you changes the motherboard for a better one and then maybe even changing MB and CPU to the 7800X3D to see if that was easier to cool. And try changing all the fans to Noctua fans. And maybe even try to apply your own VRM heatsinks on the GPU to see how big of an impact that would have.
25:37 Wouldn't this mean that the 120mm AIO isn't a waste? It looked like you tested the NH-D9L while leaving the 25mm fans on, meaning that we should be comparing the NH-D9L results with the 25mm Fan results, which suggests that the 120mm AIO with 25mm fans outperforms the NH-D9L with 25mm fans by 6,5c
Great investigation of the system. People should invest some time to watch videos on how to build their own system so they spend less and get more. But i have to admit that this case looks super cool. If corsair made the case available for purchase as standalone would probably make more money than expecting to sell a complete garbo system.
You should disable HT, run 5.6-5.8Ghz P cores with 4.4Ghz on E cores and as low voltage as possible and you'll get better gaming performance, about the same 36k in R23 but with sub 220W package and much better temps. This will keep the PC quieter, more stable, run cooler and also faster.
I really don’t like several things about this.
1: the power delivery needs to be cooled on the 4090
2: 120mm aio is not enough for a 14900k they should have used the extra space for a 240mm.
3: they should have done more r&d on the fan blade design and thickness. Missed opportunities for sure.
4: I don’t like the angle on that gpu power connector either. Makes me a little nervous.
things u like
1: beautiful design, very unique opportunities for cooling mods and improvements by what I see. I would have a blast modding this and achieving way better cooling!
2: I really love the rgb control on the front. Very unique touch style
With all that said I’ve had a Corsair one before and guess what pump failed on the original owner less than a year in, then the pump failed on me and started leaking all over the place and got all over the motherboard. The aio hoses inside are very short and often a lot of angle and stress is put on the tubes and over time it’s not the best choice.
I think softer tubes would be better if they continue to go with aio. Those hard tubes are actually harder to bend and have too much tension when bent in place.
anything under 360 on 14900k is insane lol
Also looks like there should be plenty of room to use a second 240mm aio for the cpu no?
@Jumbo51515 rip
Last time I said beautiful looking backside, i got smacked.
Vrm Has to stay cool!! I have two aircooled systems, both keep vrms nice and cool, b650 and ak620, z790 and phantom spirit.
Try to flip a CPU Radiator fan instead of push cold air to take out or suck out a hoy air. It's just a for testing purposes.
24:16 I think a top-down cooler like the Thermalright SI-100 would have worked better with the side fans blasting air onto it. Also, I wonder if a 240mm AIO would fit.
Im very surprised they went with wood grain as the only option, and not even multiple wood grain colors/types. I hate that style of wood grain, reminds me of cheap basement paneling in the 70s-80s lol. Not what brings the positive type of nostalgia for me. But especially at that price point give a grey front or white and grey overall scheme like the 4000D, one of their best products in the past few years.
At least in the US, warranty void stickers are illegal. Not sure about laws in the EU though. Corsair will likely get a slap on the hand if they ship this to US customers with those stickers.
Corsair made an Dell Alienware in every way possible, impressive
There is absolutely no reason to install a 14900K inside an SFF PC when the 7800X3D delivers the same performance for half the power draw ....
Looking at the front of the case, I figured it out in 1 second.
They could have made things a lot better if they at least went with a 7800x3d, as for using an AIO, for shipping reasons it just makes it safer to transport than using a large air cooler. Still if you are going to us an aio, maybe use a slightly bigger one.
Hello @der8auer, during your visit have you seen "Chipset coolers"? Why I'm asking is because my asus chipset overheating at 82 C while using the RAID mode.
Bizarre choices , Corsair seemed to decide they could ignore everything about case construction, air flow, component choice power draw , fan performance and rpm noise ceilings because of liquid cooling - it's not a magic bullet - it's real strength is we can take heat from one place and quickly move it to another and that's about it, it doesn't mean you can throw every other thermal principle out the window
Seems like some former Dell "Alienware" division employees decided to join the Corsair team!!!
I think one of main reasons for all AIO even if they are borderline insufficient is because they survive shipping far far more. No point having a "more reliable" air cooler if it makes the several grand PC break in shipping. Lack of bigger fans definitely a miss tho. I think shipping survival is one of main reasons alienware has the crazy over engineered fans and fan systems gamers nexus like to laugh at as well lol (though obviously in both cases better cooling alternative would still be better especially for price)
These companies need to stop slapping wood in their products and pretending it somehow looks better. Especially when the pieces don't even match (both in shading and in the grain), and it's not in any way tied into anything. You have to consider the overall design, you can't just smack it into place and say it's now a luxury item.
This reminds me of American car companies trying to copy German and Japanese luxury companies, just arbitrarily slapping wood (fake wood, to make it funnier) into the car. It ends up looking so out of place because it is just placed there with no understanding of why other companies did it.
I want to point out again that in the USA at least, those warranty void stickers hold no water.
I'm so glad I can do this myself. I genuinly feel sad for people that rely on these companies to sell them a decent computer.
Did the people working on this even have an engineering degree? I mean, whats the point of ramping fans on CPU temperature these days with the power density chips have.
It takes minutes for the heatsink to soak... Use the water temp...
Also, they clearly didnt understand what Fractal was going for, with the wood veneer. You dont then add LED strips next to it.
Using air to cool the VRM is fine - as long as it has something to transfer the freakin heat to the air properly. Those things NEED a heatsink - I don't care what they may think otherwise.
Lol. Got a 14900k and a 7900xtx cooled by a custom loop. Dual corsair XR7 360mm rads and a Alphacool Nexxus Monsta 120mm rad in the basement of my case. She still gets warm. LOL. The cooling solution for this Corsair system is horrible. Typical prebuilt BS. Send it over to Steve! Would love to hear his input. 😂
use the igpu on the cpu , fur mark and memory train etc
Those wooden trim pieces on the front are not pleasant to look at. There are many different styles of grain matching, any of which would be preferable to this.
Why would you want to have your headset on the PC. That means having the PC ON the desk, which means more noise and less cooling (cold ambient air is on the floor).
Seems like there is a problem with fans because they’re incorrectly plugged in/labeled. CPU fans were on the GPU vice versa. Also why use a B760 main board on a K series chip? Also a 120mm AIO on 14900k?? Should be at least 280mm if not 360
It looks like you could squeeze an NH-C14S in there
I like this era of 2024 where computers have taken a design take from 1974. It'd look perfect next to my Atari!
Why do pre-builts always have crappy motherboards?
"That's a beautiful looking backside."
-Roman Hartung 2024
What would the results be like if the CPU AIO cooler was swapped for not a CPU tower air cooler but a low-profile CPU air cooler (with the intake cooler fan mounted on top of the CPU and the intake case fans delivering cool air from outside) and the original GPU AIO assembly replaced with the MSI SUPRIM X LIQUID 4090 GPU? I’d like to know.
"It just works" - Todd Howard, probably.
I got an ad for this system today. It looks really nice, but then I saw "14900 and 4090" with 120mm rad and 240mm rad... I have trouble cooling my 14900 with a 360mm rad. I did not have any confidence in this system's cooling capability.
Ah yes, the ol' put lipstick on a pig and call it a diamond. Classic Corsair.