Your beloved f6 was still outsold by hsv anyway 10 to one You ford boys are just pretenders to the Hdt hsv dynasty with your fpv crap. The fg was and Is an ugly pile of shit with cheap nasty plastics and a set of typical ford hero stripes. As for your beloved turbo taxi hsv went out with the mighty w1 which is already a collectors item while your turbo taxi is seen being driven by millennial p plate pimple headed morons.
Captain Kaos and Ford also didn’t try and fool all the bogan Holden buyers, by trying to convince them that a front wheel drive 4 cylinder or AWD 6 cylinder is the same as their “mighty” Commondore, with its inflated power claims
@@FordmanGTHO351 No that's right, Ford are looking to build a 4 door mustang, They must be the dumbest people on earth, Should have just kept building the Falcon and not stuffing the name Mustang that's been around for decades
So Ford is saying the GTF has 351kw + up to 15% overboost for a max of 403kw. The GTS has 430kw. With the GTF having an average of 19kw more power yet rated 27kw less are FPV underestimating or HSV overestimating power output or does the HSV have massive drivetrain loss compared to the FPV?
carguy _351 nope. The falcon uses the standard driveline while the hsv uses a 9.9" diff with stronger driveshafts so its always going to show less on the dyno. However in the real world the gts and even the lsa r8 belts the gtf or any factory for you throw at them.
hsv spend too much money making the car look nice rather than giving it more power . i own a HSV Gen F R8 clubsport . gotta say the ford sounded better .
And thats one of the things that makes hsv great. Go look inside a fucken fpv f6 typhoon its got the same boring interior as a standard xt falcon lmao. Junk
Either way which one is quicker isn't the real issue here, the point being is this one point fellas, which one gets that leggy blonde or brunette Inn the passenger seat for the ride home. My bet HSV its got that special quality about it that turns heads. They even sound sexy 🤔🇦🇺👍🙋♀️
@@captainkaos754 but no-one would really want to spend 120k on a commie that's still going to get pumped by an f6 now would they?.. Someone's a bit butt-hurt. Both are great cars, and as much as the rivalry between ford and Holden exist. Australia lost our own cars. The commodore and falcon. Now just a memory for us and no longer a future
Captain Kaos Butthurt fuckboi all your comments are utter bogan trash May be the most powerful Aus car With an out of date 4 year old corvette motor Hardly impressive but that’s just the flashy farsade of HSV
@@MrGhillieGuys No worries, mate! I still have my FG Ford Falcon XR6 and proud of it. Canes the equivalent Commode-doors. (Over 180,000 k's on the clock!) 😉
Yeah i agree stevo. Those hsv are rubbish at putting the power down. And if there's 1 drop of water on the road forget about it, its all over the place.
You're comparing a 4x4, too a sports car....holden lover logic.... Holden couldn't make a descent engine, they had to get them from GM. Ford runs, a Ford engine. If you then argue that GM owns Holden, that further proves my point. Holden themselves, couldn't build a descent engine.
@@pheonixfps9248 haha the point i made was to the other dickhead about product usage between 2 company and haha fords are shit mate thats it haha holdens motors were Australian built for many years we still used to smack the Falcons yous are just angry coz we were smart and outsourced to bigger and better shit than ya fpv haha theres no comparison hasnt been for a long time and before you harp on about barra this and f6 that not everyone has 50k to throw at there car so again holden wins there cheaper to build reliable as all hell and all the power u need for a lot less than u have to put into your fords
@@jacobwright5773 mate, I'm a mechanic, and I work on these vehicles alot, doing performance based work. Holden haven't run a 6cyl motor that's theres since the 202, and there 304 was based off the 350 chev, and that was canned in 1997. Holden for the most part, haven't build anything here for a long time. The ls motors aren't even built here. Holdens are always in workshops, significantly more often the fords, for dumb failures, and poor engineering. Sure, any manufacturer will have issues, but don't kid yourself mate, holden sold out on Australians the day they brought the Opel insignia in as a commodore back in the 70's. The holden brand is so great, they have the highest complaints of any brand in this country, struggling to sell 5 new Commodores a month, to private buyers, and import and rebadged daewoos. Ford is no angel, and have had issues too, but significantly less then Holden.
@@pheonixfps9248 yeah which is what i said they used there own shit at one point then went to bigger better things mate ive got a bunch of mates who own mechanic shops ive got a cert 2 and have fucked with cars me whole life all im saying no ones innocent and i bet on any given day that if u took 2 of the same model cars on a different day it would be different its just how they drive or more so how we drive them if they are close then fair enough but the w1 and even the gtsr are a level above the rest
Gts puts down less kw but more torque. Both would read more but its running a bigger stronger diff and driveshafts so it will look a little shy on the dyno but beats the gts in the real world.
@@rocketmagnet427 fastest acceleration happens at peak power. Power is torque times revs so obviously the holden if it has "heaps more torque" can't rev for shit. And that fpv with a supercharger would have better drive ability with the boost coming on really early. Honestly if you owned the holden it would be awesome and sound great but you'd be slower than the ford and be filling it up with your eyes closed.
Expected that from the start :D Never believe the brochure!! Holden/HSV ALWAYS overrate the power produced from their vehicles than what they do in reality and Ford ALWAYS underrate the power produced from their vehicles than what they do in reality. GO FORD!!!!!! Beating HSV at their power game...again :P Both brands are iconic to Australia and both names (Falcon and Commodore) will be sadly missed by all.
+bradplahn well, it's quite interesting then that Holden was named the most unreliable manufacturer of new cars just the other day on news dot com. Lol
People fail to realize the huge price difference between the 2 cars, if you put the same amount of money into a F6 it wouldn't even be a competition. don't get me wrong a couple years ago i was a hardcore Ford fan saying fuck the commies but i have grown to like the new HSV's, they are a good looking car but that is not what its about. if you want a great looking car exterior and interior with great power and have a fuck tone of money to spend on a car get a HSV GTS, but if you are looking for a same amount of power for less than half the price with a decent exterior and (i'm not gonna sugar coat it) a shit interior, buy a F6 and put some money into the engine and you will be under half the price of a HSV-GTS. This is just an opinion you don't need to get your knickers in a twist but i think even the hardcore commie boys should be able to agree with me to a point. But at the end of the day we should think about it this way, we love our Aussie made cars and they are both sick cars... even if the commie engine is a corvette engine XD R.I.P Falcons and commodores...
I don’t understand how transient overboost works on a supercharged engine, how do they bleed off excess boost? I get it with a turbo engine, you can control the wastegate. Does the supercharger have a bleed off valve? If yes where does the boosted air go? Do they do it another way, like prevent the drive by wire throttle from opening 100% or hold back timing, I.e. it’s not really overboost.
Yes. I have the FPV so don't know how the HSV operates but I believe they use the same Harrop supercharger. There's a flap that opens that dumps all the boost. When you are cruising down the highway at normal speeds the supercharger isn't producing any boost, it's all being dumped. Reason. You don't need the power and superchargers do drain a lot of power when they are boosting hard. It's about fuel economy, Transient overboost on the other hand is all about timing and stopping the engine from detonating. If conditions allow (primarily manifold inlet temperature) the engine will give full power, if it runs out of spec the timing gets retarded. You notice the power loss the most in the city where the engine gets hot sitting in traffic. On the open road they fly. And yeah technically I guess it's more engine protection than overboost as such. XR6T's "overboost" too, people either don't know or it doesn't get talked about much. It's just timing at the end of the day.
I like my Ford but they are both great cars now. The Gen3 Coyote is arguably the best V8 in this category. The LS engines also have many huge merits. Very sad both are not made. If only Ford could vision a 2 door XR6T AWD and sold globally it would shit all over the mustang.
Yeah I agree heaps and also I met a bloke from the hsv club with the same year model gts and he got 533hp to the rear wheels and also the hsv does a 12.4 on the quarter while the fpv does 13.1 which shows that their result sound very off
G'day...It'd be interesting to see where an XR6 Turbo or the F6T from before would sit amongst these two beauties...Does anyone know what a stock XR6 T would dish up in similar circumstances ?...Cheers Rod
Not really I've owned the 320 gtp an currently have the fg f6t..... as far as speed an power go the f6 is extremely quick... take some weight out of it and create more lock and it's a very fun car.
Nothing new here. Holden overates Ford underates. The GT runs a V8 1.2 Cubic Inches smaller yet still beats the HSV and the holden girls come on the defence with complete and utter primary school dribble
Haha wow you sound like an idiot haha The fact is the gts runs a bigger 9.9" diff and stronger driveshafts so that will use more power. Sure is funny watching you ford boys circle jerk over dyno numbers when the gts belts the gtf by a good margin and not just in a straight line. And while it may have 1.2 cubic inches more the lsa is the smaller lighter more powerful engine. You should rewrite your comment (the gtf runs 3 more cams and 16 more valves and a timing chain as long as the car and gets beat by the gts in every way in the real world. Hope you frame that dyno readout haha
The claims are at the crank, but the power at the wheels gives an idea of drive train power loss which is usually situated around 15-25% depending on make and age. To be fair though, FPV isn’t claiming stupid power outputs but rather what is available on tap.
myusernames1967 I guess it's pity? The HSV GTS has proven superior in pretty much everyway. It is actually sad that the last XR8 is so cheap and pitiful in design. I'll stick with my F6 and Monaro. Dyno numbers really don't always define a cars performance...
@Mercedes Benz is that what you do to all the 6 year old boys you meet up with? I was staring a fact. Both these cars a POS and would never buy one. But the ls have more peak torq. Does it mean its good? No. Still a POS
I was about to ask where the w1 comparison was, not gonna lie i dont think im ever going to buy a Ford but i can still see that they make good cars, i just prefer Holden because my family has had them for as long as i can remember, (we got a ssv redline before they were all gone) i just dont see the point of everyone telling each other what car is better. Everyone has their own preference, why can't people respect that?
@@mememan7849 the W1 came almost 12 months after the GT-F ended production, why would they compare the two? even tho the W1 is more powerful the GT-F still holds the record for the fastest Australia production car at 297km/h because HSV refused to do a top speed run in the W1, HSV always over stated their power numbers been a proven fact for years, its never been impressive
+VFSSVREDLINE show me where it shits over it as from what I have seen is just staged setups by car magazines. My mate has a 2013 GTP that does 11.1 in 400m sprint on street tyres. (with x-haust and tune) Standard they do 12.3 to 12.6 range My BF FPV Pursuit does 13.2. Dont ask me to prove anything because with time slips because I dont need to prove anything. Ford engine small on size big on power in comparison holden motor big is size small on power. Just accept it. With the amount of power the hsv has claimed it should be much quicker than what it is. If you are saying it shits over the ford in other areas such as modern features handling etc I would agree with you but dont be bias and brain washed be the stupid car magazines. All the magazines are bias, Ford knew they were closing down 3 years ago hence why they never updated to any modern features like the hsv's have. For me personally I wouldn't buy any ford or holden anymore, and I think they both will go downhill from now.
@@Prissyoh lol ford engine small it's bigger and heavier and has more cams and valves and moving parts. Really for how big and heavy it is you would think it would put down more power.
@@Prissyoh and yes the gts at the engine puts out more power but the bigger gearbox 9.9" diff and stronger driveshafts do use a bit of power getting it to the wheels. Where the fpv/ford use an overboost function to protect the driveline. And the gts even if it puts less power down puts more torque down and is faster everywhere in the real world.
@@johnsonwithat2322 you mean like ford Australia have been doing with every v8 they have had? Some made here but never been an Australian v8 ford engine
Doesn’t effect peak output when held in gear and floored though, and to dyno it correctly they’d have to have it in triptonic or whatever the HSVZ HAS FOR THAT.
+ethan watts Yeah its like when people talking about the SV6 having 15kw on the XR6 but the XR6 has 41nm more of torque to the extra KW becomes irrelevant
HSV boys keep talking about more torque all the time and though it is true that the Chevy has more torque its really a no brainer Chevy has a much bigger engine, to achieve that higher torque figure. I wonder what would happen to the numbers if Ford made an engine of equal size to the Chevy? The Chevy boys seem to forget about that little detail what is it 1.2 litres? Mmmm? The "little" Coyote gives up a lot of cubes but makes more HP and is only just shy on torque. As another person said what would have happened if Ford made another F6? Probably would of spanked them both
Jonathon Cummings it still is and this video seems like their saying ahhhh yeah yeah all the cars are stock when their saying that the gts lost 150kw because it's at the rear wheels that does not sound right any little bit
@@jonjames8648 i thinks the test is rigged because the gts does 12.4 while the ford does 13.1 which makes no sense if you look at the power shown in this test then the weight. i have seen a gts that put 533 rear wheel hp and 400 rkw stock
Man, those kw figures are so weak for what they come from. An LS1 with a mild cam makes those figures, why did HSV and FPV give them such conservative tunes?
Who gives a fuck about the hsv the ford looks way better the HSV has I disgusting back end the tail lights ugliest HSV EVER the previous HSV GTS looked fantastic front and back. Nick23
When the cars are made they come into the hsv factory with GTS or club sport or gtsr or maloo the engines come in the car of the truck they do the rest of the car the shocks the black pads the kit they do a lot but the gtsr was a order you put in that’s why there are not much so if you wanted to spend money go to the holden dealership and put in the order and they were only sold from hsv they weren’t in the show rooms cause when there off the truck and it starts it really loud and people want it it doesn’t last long n the show room floor
Oor year nah, tha commadore is way sicker than tha falcun ay, duuur, I better go beat the fuck out of my missuz, she spent all our Centrelink munny on choof ay (leaves while pulling a burnout in his VP V6)
Not really what they don't mention is the gts pits down more torque and overall more power as ford needs overboost to make those powers. And the fact that a dyno is a tuning tool and the gts belts it in the real world in every way.
What a load of crap! No doubt the Ford is a excellent product, but your data is flawed. Even with transient overboast (estimated 404kws) the powertrain transmission loses seem a bit low? Less than 20% power train lose in RWD setup, I am not so sure. If the HSV was generated 430kW SAE at the 6000rpm, it would appear to have power train loses of 28% compared the the FPV's 19%. It proves to me Wheels is a shit mag
"could holden have done anything to make more grunt?" "No" lmao what? You can make an even l98 engine run at 450 rear wheel kilowatts naturally aspirated. Holden could have done many things, the cost is reliability.
they mean have they changed anything from being stock standard cars straight from the production line and the answer is no they're exactly the same as anyone elses gts/gtf
Had to see ford fans what they said lol made my day hahhaha tho anyone that knows something about cars knows that it really doesnt have shit to do with power off the car so i am not a either fan i like them both deff ten times better than imports but i do drive a holden and i have raced a f6 340rwk. I have a ve cammed with 310rwk and i beat him one off my good friends we swaped cars and still my car was better but who cares about those two i would love to see a drag race and a circuit race between those two cars
Harrod have a hub dyno, thats what they used have used, also why not have a track day say bathurst and see who wins, lol :) go holden, no wonder its the BEST of all the rest. :)
Holden comes from England they were originally saddle and coach builder's and then moved to Australia and assembled all sorts of brands including early fords and then moved to building their own with design's and development from Chevrolet and Opal
@@craigruhle5011 then in the late 60's holden went broke and gm bought the brand and u are spot on craig even the last COMMODORE was not built here it is a vauxhall
Why no comments from the HSV guys there on the day? Lol......I know why........
HSV is lucky FPV didn't make another F6
Your beloved f6 was still outsold by hsv anyway 10 to one You ford boys are just pretenders to the Hdt hsv dynasty with your fpv crap. The fg was and Is an ugly pile of shit with cheap nasty plastics and a set of typical ford hero stripes. As for your beloved turbo taxi hsv went out with the mighty w1 which is already a collectors item while your turbo taxi is seen being driven by millennial p plate pimple headed morons.
That’s pretty hardout ea captain kaos
Captain Kaos and Ford also didn’t try and fool all the bogan Holden buyers, by trying to convince them that a front wheel drive 4 cylinder or AWD 6 cylinder is the same as their “mighty” Commondore, with its inflated power claims
@@captainkaos754 lol outsold.... by fanbois
@@FordmanGTHO351 No that's right, Ford are looking to build a 4 door mustang, They must be the dumbest people on earth, Should have just kept building the Falcon and not stuffing the name Mustang that's been around for decades
So Ford is saying the GTF has 351kw + up to 15% overboost for a max of 403kw. The GTS has 430kw. With the GTF having an average of 19kw more power yet rated 27kw less are FPV underestimating or HSV overestimating power output or does the HSV have massive drivetrain loss compared to the FPV?
Its a bit of both, ford always underrates and holden always overrates power figures. Both are great cars but the ford is just that bit extra :D
carguy _351 nope. The falcon uses the standard driveline while the hsv uses a 9.9" diff with stronger driveshafts so its always going to show less on the dyno. However in the real world the gts and even the lsa r8 belts the gtf or any factory for you throw at them.
@@rocketmagnet427 wrong.
@@IMustBeEmo1212 yes you are wrong...
hsv spend too much money making the car look nice rather than giving it more power . i own a HSV Gen F R8 clubsport . gotta say the ford sounded better .
Sound3d didnt go better
And thats one of the things that makes hsv great. Go look inside a fucken fpv f6 typhoon its got the same boring interior as a standard xt falcon lmao. Junk
@Private Name withheld and the gts goes fast even with all of its interior 😂 maybe thats why ford cheaped out on theirs hahahahaha fucken shitboxes
A Juice Box But not as fast as the Ford. It must suck to be so one-eyed.
Either way which one is quicker isn't the real issue here, the point being is this one point fellas, which one gets that leggy blonde or brunette Inn the passenger seat for the ride home. My bet HSV its got that special quality about it that turns heads. They even sound sexy 🤔🇦🇺👍🙋♀️
Here that, Gt most powerful aussie car
@@captainkaos754 but no-one would really want to spend 120k on a commie that's still going to get pumped by an f6 now would they?.. Someone's a bit butt-hurt. Both are great cars, and as much as the rivalry between ford and Holden exist. Australia lost our own cars. The commodore and falcon. Now just a memory for us and no longer a future
Your a clown of you go back to your ford forums.
Hsv w1 THE KING and most powerful Aussie muscle car ever. Carbon brakes dry sump 470 plus kw. By by ford.
Captain Kaos Butthurt fuckboi all your comments are utter bogan trash
May be the most powerful Aus car
With an out of date 4 year old corvette motor
Hardly impressive but that’s just the flashy farsade of HSV
@@MrGhillieGuys No worries, mate! I still have my FG Ford Falcon XR6 and proud of it. Canes the equivalent Commode-doors. (Over 180,000 k's on the clock!) 😉
Fantastic comparison... blow that up your jumper TopGear
Good Figures all round for both cars, But its the weight of the car and getting power to the road that matters here boys and girls
stevo lumburg which the ford is also better at, and apparently the holden becomes unstable above 200 ish
Yeah i agree stevo. Those hsv are rubbish at putting the power down. And if there's 1 drop of water on the road forget about it, its all over the place.
That’s why the gtf was the fastest road car!!
I ain't fussy, I'd have either one!
But that's a Chevy, not a Holden ;-) Go FPV!!
You're comparing a 4x4, too a sports car....holden lover logic....
Holden couldn't make a descent engine, they had to get them from GM. Ford runs, a Ford engine. If you then argue that GM owns Holden, that further proves my point. Holden themselves, couldn't build a descent engine.
@@pheonixfps9248 haha the point i made was to the other dickhead about product usage between 2 company and haha fords are shit mate thats it haha holdens motors were Australian built for many years we still used to smack the Falcons yous are just angry coz we were smart and outsourced to bigger and better shit than ya fpv haha theres no comparison hasnt been for a long time and before you harp on about barra this and f6 that not everyone has 50k to throw at there car so again holden wins there cheaper to build reliable as all hell and all the power u need for a lot less than u have to put into your fords
@@jacobwright5773 mate, I'm a mechanic, and I work on these vehicles alot, doing performance based work. Holden haven't run a 6cyl motor that's theres since the 202, and there 304 was based off the 350 chev, and that was canned in 1997. Holden for the most part, haven't build anything here for a long time. The ls motors aren't even built here. Holdens are always in workshops, significantly more often the fords, for dumb failures, and poor engineering. Sure, any manufacturer will have issues, but don't kid yourself mate, holden sold out on Australians the day they brought the Opel insignia in as a commodore back in the 70's. The holden brand is so great, they have the highest complaints of any brand in this country, struggling to sell 5 new Commodores a month, to private buyers, and import and rebadged daewoos. Ford is no angel, and have had issues too, but significantly less then Holden.
@@pheonixfps9248 yeah which is what i said they used there own shit at one point then went to bigger better things mate ive got a bunch of mates who own mechanic shops ive got a cert 2 and have fucked with cars me whole life all im saying no ones innocent and i bet on any given day that if u took 2 of the same model cars on a different day it would be different its just how they drive or more so how we drive them if they are close then fair enough but the w1 and even the gtsr are a level above the rest
@@jacobwright5773 I agree about the w1 and gtsr statements.
Any torque figures to show us? A few more kilowatts won't do much if you're lacking in torque, as previous dyno tests have shown
thats what i wanted to know . i say the holden would have tons more torque than that ford .
Gts puts down less kw but more torque. Both would read more but its running a bigger stronger diff and driveshafts so it will look a little shy on the dyno but beats the gts in the real world.
@@rocketmagnet427 fastest acceleration happens at peak power. Power is torque times revs so obviously the holden if it has "heaps more torque" can't rev for shit. And that fpv with a supercharger would have better drive ability with the boost coming on really early. Honestly if you owned the holden it would be awesome and sound great but you'd be slower than the ford and be filling it up with your eyes closed.
@John Winzil yamumgaylol
anfd thaat folks is why police have them as a pursuit chase cars lol ford still has the fastest produced cars in the country
Sasha DRAIN it was left behind by an F6 😂
Expected that from the start :D
Never believe the brochure!! Holden/HSV ALWAYS overrate the power produced from their vehicles than what they do in reality and Ford ALWAYS underrate the power produced from their vehicles than what they do in reality. GO FORD!!!!!! Beating HSV at their power game...again :P
Both brands are iconic to Australia and both names (Falcon and Commodore) will be sadly missed by all.
Pitty fords are heeps of shit
bradplahn still beats the commodore so actually its holdens that are 'heaps of shit'
+bradplahn well, it's quite interesting then that Holden was named the most unreliable manufacturer of new cars just the other day on news dot com. Lol
Lol beats the gts? On a dyno hahaha wow yet the gts smashes the gtf in the real world where it counts
Yet the fastest ute is the maloo 😂 get off ya horse mate
The last of the V8 interceptors
People fail to realize the huge price difference between the 2 cars, if you put the same amount of money into a F6 it wouldn't even be a competition. don't get me wrong a couple years ago i was a hardcore Ford fan saying fuck the commies but i have grown to like the new HSV's, they are a good looking car but that is not what its about. if you want a great looking car exterior and interior with great power and have a fuck tone of money to spend on a car get a HSV GTS, but if you are looking for a same amount of power for less than half the price with a decent exterior and (i'm not gonna sugar coat it) a shit interior, buy a F6 and put some money into the engine and you will be under half the price of a HSV-GTS. This is just an opinion you don't need to get your knickers in a twist but i think even the hardcore commie boys should be able to agree with me to a point.
But at the end of the day we should think about it this way, we love our Aussie made cars and they are both sick cars... even if the commie engine is a corvette engine XD
R.I.P Falcons and commodores...
I don’t understand how transient overboost works on a supercharged engine, how do they bleed off excess boost? I get it with a turbo engine, you can control the wastegate. Does the supercharger have a bleed off valve? If yes where does the boosted air go? Do they do it another way, like prevent the drive by wire throttle from opening 100% or hold back timing, I.e. it’s not really overboost.
Yes. I have the FPV so don't know how the HSV operates but I believe they use the same Harrop supercharger. There's a flap that opens that dumps all the boost. When you are cruising down the highway at normal speeds the supercharger isn't producing any boost, it's all being dumped. Reason. You don't need the power and superchargers do drain a lot of power when they are boosting hard. It's about fuel economy, Transient overboost on the other hand is all about timing and stopping the engine from detonating. If conditions allow (primarily manifold inlet temperature) the engine will give full power, if it runs out of spec the timing gets retarded. You notice the power loss the most in the city where the engine gets hot sitting in traffic. On the open road they fly. And yeah technically I guess it's more engine protection than overboost as such. XR6T's "overboost" too, people either don't know or it doesn't get talked about much. It's just timing at the end of the day.
Torque figures would have been good
Gts more torque and dosent need overboost to make good dyno numbers. Also quicker where it counts in the real world
I like my Ford but they are both great cars now. The Gen3 Coyote is arguably the best V8 in this category. The LS engines also have many huge merits. Very sad both are not made. If only Ford could vision a 2 door XR6T AWD and sold globally it would shit all over the mustang.
The new mustang makes 275-285rwkw stock. Very impressive if you ask me.
@@blckstang6363 one of the best sounding v8 can put a lot of power stock with a supercharger easily 600hp.
Didnt test the w1 against the gtf
Why would they ? One cost 100 grand more so why compare the pair
@@bus5683 to see if the w1 is worth the price tag or not ?
Damn the hsv got plopped on! 🇦🇺
If you noticed it took multiple times for the fpv to get it's results they only did one or two test runs for the hsv.
Had to get the overboost to work lol
I've got some soothing cream for you if needed
And now the Holy grail has arrived to take down the w1
Doug - core nah that won’t catch the w1 at all mate the w1 will blow the doors off mate the LS9 supercharged the fastest car in Australia think again
@@menatworklanddownunder3955 Holy grail has more power and better suspension...
Results aside, they only seemed to want to interview the FPV guy - feels *somewhat* like an advert for FPV...
Yeah I agree heaps and also I met a bloke from the hsv club with the same year model gts and he got 533hp to the rear wheels and also the hsv does a 12.4 on the quarter while the fpv does 13.1 which shows that their result sound very off
At least FPV guy showed up.
HSV rep a no show
@@onacidracing Manual vs auto 🤡🤡
G'day...It'd be interesting to see where an XR6 Turbo or the F6T from before would sit amongst these two beauties...Does anyone know what a stock XR6 T would dish up in similar circumstances ?...Cheers Rod
+Rodney McGiveron a fg F6T on a speed run will destroy these two cars.
+MrSupermugen no
Not really I've owned the 320 gtp an currently have the fg f6t..... as far as speed an power go the f6 is extremely quick... take some weight out of it and create more lock and it's a very fun car.
I thibk a xr6 would put like 245-250kw at the wheels
@@LogieT2K 212 kw on 98 unleaded satndard from factory
Nothing new here.
Holden overates Ford underates.
The GT runs a V8 1.2 Cubic Inches smaller yet still beats the HSV and the holden girls come on the defence with complete and utter primary school dribble
***** Hmm...1.2 litres you probably ment
cobra60six lol yes
what are the differences between the FPV 5.0 and the North American ford 5.0 ??
Dyno figures are actually quite relevant
Haha wow you sound like an idiot haha
The fact is the gts runs a bigger 9.9" diff and stronger driveshafts so that will use more power. Sure is funny watching you ford boys circle jerk over dyno numbers when the gts belts the gtf by a good margin and not just in a straight line. And while it may have 1.2 cubic inches more the lsa is the smaller lighter more powerful engine. You should rewrite your comment (the gtf runs 3 more cams and 16 more valves and a timing chain as long as the car and gets beat by the gts in every way in the real world. Hope you frame that dyno readout haha
You call 19.1 kw decimating?
What's the assumption here anyway? Do these manufacturers claim RW numbers or at the crank?
It's all a bit muddy frankly
The claims are at the crank, but the power at the wheels gives an idea of drive train power loss which is usually situated around 15-25% depending on make and age. To be fair though, FPV isn’t claiming stupid power outputs but rather what is available on tap.
is the holden even forced induction like the fpv gt-f though?
Yes it said supercharged on top of hsv motor
"decimated"
@John Winzil holden wanker with ur chev engine hahaha
no suprises here. holden have always claimed alot more power then what they really have
No surprise.....all the Holden fans are very quiet :)
myusernames1967 I guess it's pity? The HSV GTS has proven superior in pretty much everyway. It is actually sad that the last XR8 is so cheap and pitiful in design. I'll stick with my F6 and Monaro. Dyno numbers really don't always define a cars performance...
Not me you seen the w1 mate better think of your options
Id be questioning the variations of the dynos christ thats huge , especially if they are both calibrated
28 dislikes, Holden owners. Ha ha.
They had to get an independent Chappy to check tyre pressure and the tie downs ...Wow .. did he get to make coffee and bring the donuts too .....
funny thing the HSV is still quicker down the 1/4 mile lol hows that work
It coz the Holden is a auto coz we all know Holden drivers can't drive
+Joe Castagna lol that's one drag cars Auto
Torque.
You realise the figures that car companies release are power at the flywheel not at the wheels like the dynos show.
to the crank.
Take that gm go fpv
These are both autos right??
I really didn't think it would turn out that way. I'm pretty sure the HSV has shitloads more torque though, but there ya go.
It does have more torq but the torq drops of much faster so the power doesnt hold.
@Mercedes Benz is that what you do to all the 6 year old boys you meet up with?
I was staring a fact.
Both these cars a POS and would never buy one.
But the ls have more peak torq. Does it mean its good? No. Still a POS
@Mercedes Benz worst troll to date. Last time i checked ford and holden werent the only ones to make amd use V8s.
theeeeen the W1 came out, and took top spot again
I was about to ask where the w1 comparison was, not gonna lie i dont think im ever going to buy a Ford but i can still see that they make good cars, i just prefer Holden because my family has had them for as long as i can remember, (we got a ssv redline before they were all gone) i just dont see the point of everyone telling each other what car is better. Everyone has their own preference, why can't people respect that?
@@mememan7849 the W1 came almost 12 months after the GT-F ended production, why would they compare the two? even tho the W1 is more powerful the GT-F still holds the record for the fastest Australia production car at 297km/h because HSV refused to do a top speed run in the W1, HSV always over stated their power numbers been a proven fact for years, its never been impressive
The GT-F may have a few more KW's than the GTS , but the GTS is a all rounder better looking and more refined sports car .
have to admit the crumbledoor does look good
More refined sports car 😂😂
Both cars are good
and now the Holy Grail is the most powerful Australian vehicle with 484Kw and 750Nm
ill still rather the gts fun engine to play with
Explains why holdens are slow!! Big on engine small on power.
+VFSSVREDLINE show me where it shits over it as from what I have seen is just staged setups by car magazines.
My mate has a 2013 GTP that does 11.1 in 400m sprint on street tyres. (with x-haust and tune) Standard they do 12.3 to 12.6 range
My BF FPV Pursuit does 13.2.
Dont ask me to prove anything because with time slips because I dont need to prove anything.
Ford engine small on size big on power in comparison holden motor big is size small on power.
Just accept it.
With the amount of power the hsv has claimed it should be much quicker than what it is.
If you are saying it shits over the ford in other areas such as modern features handling etc I would agree with you but dont be bias and brain washed be the stupid car magazines.
All the magazines are bias,
Ford knew they were closing down 3 years ago hence why they never updated to any modern features like the hsv's have.
For me personally I wouldn't buy any ford or holden anymore, and I think they both will go downhill from now.
***** for me I dont really care they are both shit cars.
@@Prissyoh lol ford engine small it's bigger and heavier and has more cams and valves and moving parts. Really for how big and heavy it is you would think it would put down more power.
@@Prissyoh and yes the gts at the engine puts out more power but the bigger gearbox 9.9" diff and stronger driveshafts do use a bit of power getting it to the wheels. Where the fpv/ford use an overboost function to protect the driveline. And the gts even if it puts less power down puts more torque down and is faster everywhere in the real world.
Funny what happened in Bathurst during the 70s and also holden made the fastest car in Australia gtsr w1
Well the W1 is the most powerful now and will be forever lol
Christopher Salmon Because they pretty much took an American engine and slapped the Holden badge on it.
@@johnsonwithat2322 you mean like ford Australia have been doing with every v8 they have had? Some made here but never been an Australian v8 ford engine
@@rocketmagnet427 An Australian Miami V8 might disagree
I reckon they had it in touring mode in the hsv so it didn’t give its full potential.
Doesn’t effect peak output when held in gear and floored though, and to dyno it correctly they’d have to have it in triptonic or whatever the HSVZ HAS FOR THAT.
What's touring mode?
@@MrHappy351 it’s a mode you can set the car in for touring it reduces the power and makes it a smoother quieter ride.
GTS has 170NM of torque more than the FPV so the extra 19kw is pretty irrelevant
+ethan watts Yeah its like when people talking about the SV6 having 15kw on the XR6 but the XR6 has 41nm more of torque to the extra KW becomes irrelevant
+ronald howsley I would still have the GTF though
Be interesting to see what the actual dyno results show on the torque figures. I have a feeling they might be pretty similar.
ethan watts GTS has an imported motor
RufF RarO the ford is not much diffrent. Imported parts and put together here like they have always done. Never had there own aussie v8 like holden.
HSV boys keep talking about more torque all the time and though it is true that the Chevy has more torque its really a no brainer Chevy has a much bigger engine, to achieve that higher torque figure. I wonder what would happen to the numbers if Ford made an engine of equal size to the Chevy? The Chevy boys seem to forget about that little detail what is it 1.2 litres? Mmmm? The "little" Coyote gives up a lot of cubes but makes more HP and is only just shy on torque. As another person said what would have happened if Ford made another F6? Probably would of spanked them both
Lol the coyote little have you looked at both the motors side by side? Coyote needs 3 more cams 16 more valves to be slower and heavier...
What’s a Holden? Oh that’s right they used to make cars.......
Correct !!!! - End of story.
Isn’t the have gts a meant to be the most powerful Australian car
Jonathon Cummings it still is and this video seems like their saying ahhhh yeah yeah all the cars are stock when their saying that the gts lost 150kw because it's at the rear wheels that does not sound right any little bit
How does it loose 150kw to the rear wheels
@@jonjames8648 i thinks the test is rigged because the gts does 12.4 while the ford does 13.1 which makes no sense if you look at the power shown in this test then the weight.
i have seen a gts that put 533 rear wheel hp and 400 rkw stock
Holden overstate figures on all there cars lol Ford are modest.
@@kers225abk2 how does the holden get a 12.4 on the quater while the ford does a 13.1 then ?
Man, those kw figures are so weak for what they come from. An LS1 with a mild cam makes those figures, why did HSV and FPV give them such conservative tunes?
So they last more than 50000 kms
M5 anyonne
Who gives a fuck about the hsv the ford looks way better the HSV has I disgusting back end the tail lights ugliest HSV EVER the previous HSV GTS looked fantastic front and back. Nick23
very impressed with the Ford, still prefer the HSV though
When the cars are made they come into the hsv factory with GTS or club sport or gtsr or maloo the engines come in the car of the truck they do the rest of the car the shocks the black pads the kit they do a lot but the gtsr was a order you put in that’s why there are not much so if you wanted to spend money go to the holden dealership and put in the order and they were only sold from hsv they weren’t in the show rooms cause when there off the truck and it starts it really loud and people want it it doesn’t last long n the show room floor
Oor year nah, tha commadore is way sicker than tha falcun ay, duuur, I better go beat the fuck out of my missuz, she spent all our Centrelink munny on choof ay (leaves while pulling a burnout in his VP V6)
this was then not anymore
GTF doesn't compared to the HSV. Quarter mile times show this.
Because the GTF Can't get the power on the ground, rear suspension limitations mean they couldn't fit as wide tyres as the HSV.
@@MrHappy351 sure the chassis in the gtf isnt anywhere near as good as the hsv. The hsv also makes more torque.
I love Holden better because it’s golden
But it’s not
Even a fkn typhoon f6
They put it against a gym.???
GtF*** imagine the 310 aperantly f6 and idk why the fuck Holden bullshits all there killowat power
On the 1/4 mile track the fpv does 114mph, the hsv 118mph. That’s all that matters
Holden fanboys are spewing right now
Not really what they don't mention is the gts pits down more torque and overall more power as ford needs overboost to make those powers. And the fact that a dyno is a tuning tool and the gts belts it in the real world in every way.
376 ci mate we came out on top with the w1
Yes and the M5 BMW leaves the dinosaurs in its wake
What a load of crap! No doubt the Ford is a excellent product, but your data is flawed. Even with transient overboast (estimated 404kws) the powertrain transmission loses seem a bit low? Less than 20% power train lose in RWD setup, I am not so sure. If the HSV was generated 430kW SAE at the 6000rpm, it would appear to have power train loses of 28% compared the the FPV's 19%. It proves to me Wheels is a shit mag
Lol wot hsv gets has 430 kw
the ls3 is 317kw ????
LSA 430kw
FPV made in Broadmeadows
I think gear ratio would play apart of the dyno. And hsv is better in other ways
"could holden have done anything to make more grunt?"
"No" lmao what?
You can make an even l98 engine run at 450 rear wheel kilowatts naturally aspirated.
Holden could have done many things, the cost is reliability.
they mean have they changed anything from being stock standard cars straight from the production line and the answer is no
they're exactly the same as anyone elses gts/gtf
Had to see ford fans what they said lol made my day hahhaha tho anyone that knows something about cars knows that it really doesnt have shit to do with power off the car so i am not a either fan i like them both deff ten times better than imports but i do drive a holden and i have raced a f6 340rwk. I have a ve cammed with 310rwk and i beat him one off my good friends we swaped cars and still my car was better but who cares about those two i would love to see a drag race and a circuit race between those two cars
With that grammar I would be amazed if you were old enough to drive at all.
Lookits ME No one cares what you think, these comparisons were purely for statement reasons only. And yes, you should've stayed in school.
U should off too i stead off taking roids
Lookits ME You should OF! INSTEAD OF. Not off. The two have completely different meanings. TH-cam do have Literacy lessons for people like yourself.
LOL. So youre asking to challenge me and you call me the keyboard warrior. Should take some of your own advise, considering youre raging like a nob.
Harrod have a hub dyno, thats what they used have used, also why not have a track day say bathurst and see who wins, lol :) go holden, no wonder its the BEST of all the rest. :)
They should do a third cause its 1-1 after 2
Omg Alex u don’t look any different
Holden = bogan.
My au falcon would chop the hsv anyway
my 1.8 litre corrolla would chop the ford taxi thing
Hahaha so now ford has better handling and better power. Suck it holden fanboys.
But the gts handles better and does make more power just not at the wheels because the stronger driveline. And the gts is faster in the real world.
Wouldnt care if the ford was twice the power, it looks like shit lol
The w1 is the most powerful Australian built car.
holden does have bad drivenline power loss
better spend another 8K to get the W507 upgrade to beat the Ford!!
Check out abdc 2017 shootout with cars all over the world and the w1 beat them all. Aussie GM all the way! Hahaha
Holden is stupid.They could make more powerful cars but choose not to
But ford isn't Australia. Holden & HSV are true Australia.
Ben Davy no they are not, please do the tiniest amount of research before making such false statements.
Apart from all the chevy parts on them.....
Holden comes from England they were originally saddle and coach builder's and then moved to Australia and assembled all sorts of brands including early fords and then moved to building their own with design's and development from Chevrolet and Opal
@@craigruhle5011 then in the late 60's holden went broke and gm bought the brand and u are spot on craig even the last COMMODORE was not built here it is a vauxhall
It is time to fart.
Take that gm go fpv