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- Back with another episode of Why NO ONE Plays (SSBU)! Thanks so much for the great reception on Piranha Plant! We're gonna keep things moving with the next one, featuring Sheik!
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#SSBU #WhyNoOnePlays #Sheik - เกม
Shiek: *does non-stop combo for 40 seconds straight*
Enemy *lands a single jab combo*
The damage %'s: Now we're even
That shit be blowing tf out of me I put her ass down the moment I pick her up
Mythra can get good reliable combos and does like 3x Sheik’s damage and knockback
@@Rexis102 And almost her attacks are kill moves
@@Rexis102 It's "Best Girl Mythra" to you THE WINNER says! 🙂
@@mattyryon DLC Privilege + Power Creep is a nasty combo
Trying to be good with Sheik in this game is like trying to eat soup with chopsticks.
I guess i eat my soup with chopsticks
@@aoy_boy me too sometimes
@@vilespecter lol okay
Exactly. You use the chopsticks to get the solids and then slurp the liquids. It's a balancing act of knowing what to use and when.
Goddamn that's so fucking accurate.
Basically: Sheik's problem is that she isn't actually a glass cannon. Sheik is a glass-paintball gun.
Moreso a glass machine-gun, given how fast she attacks
more like a glass spitball launcher, since paintballs sure can sting
The big reason I don’t use her much is because none of her attacks feel all that good to hit. I do like using these weak little hit to overwhelm the opponent but I’d rather use characters like Joker, Fox, or Pikachu.
When I started ultimate I agreed with that, but the better I got at the game, learning combos and neutral, the more I enjoyed playing Sheik, to the point where I switch from my main to play her. I can see what you mean, but the satisfaction of playing sheik is mostly her combos, since a drag down tipper up smash is incredibly rewarding to land. Though I think bouncing fish is incredible to land, its hitboxe doesn't match the particule effect so I can see why people don't like it. But if you like characters like fox or pika you should be able to like sheik, since they aren't exactly big hitters either.
@@artimist0315 I just personally find the individual moves that fox and pika have to feel more rewarding to hit
she is just hard to use so you cant go braindead with her like you can other characters
While I do enjoy those characters, Sheik offers a moveset that kind of...flows into itself? Imo, more than all these characters, sheik feels the most fluid and natural to pilot and as such for me feels the best to play
I guess what I was trying to say was that I just prefer other characters of this archetype. I find combos really cool but not all hits will combo so I prefer characters who have enjoyable single moves as well as combos and sheik pretty much just has combos. Really good combos, mind you, but single hits feel kinda week at best. Just my opinion of course.
Glad you mentioned Gimr's Slingshot, because Void have already shown how much Sheik benefits from it, with an absurd pressure while spacing
void's going to be the reason more people pick her up in the west
@@leexperence2965 I hope so. but considering online is a thing now, not many people want to put that much effort into a char that gets very nerfed every time they try to play her online.
This didn't age well lol
The reason is simple. Sheik has zero phat buttons. No matter the character type the popular characters have an amazingly phat hit that feels cool to land. Even the Sheik equivalent in rivals of aether has a meaty back air in comparison. Sheik only feels cool if you land some reallllly flashy combos which online is less likely making her less fun most of the time.
Who is the Sheik equivalent in ROA? I've played the game a bit but I don't know the characters too well :)
@@Diamondstar1ify ranno probably
@@Diamondstar1ify Yeah Ranno, he has similar moves to Sheik he can even do the super cool down tilt to dacus thing Brawl Sheik could do.
As a sheik main, I thought this for a while when I wasn't playing her, since the first time I played her I had idea what I was doing (in general) and she felt really unrewarding. But after some years where I really started improving and finally manage to put my main (bayo) in elite smash, I decided to retry sheik. First of all, she has phat moves. They are just hard to land. Up b is good for reads, tipper up smash is incredibly satisfying and her other two smash attacks are far from weak. But the real fat move is bouncing fish. It's hard to land when you don't know what you are doing since the hitboxe doesn't match the animation but after a while it just become the most consistent phat move to land. What I also like about her is that unlike some other difficult characters, sheik IS smash. You don't have to learn crazy item techs, desinc, cancels, she just test you basic knowledge of the game. So you don't have to watch 30 minutes video on how to desync and instead play the game normally and try to make a feel for the character. She reminds me of what people say about melee fox, playing sheik is like going to the gym, you are always improving and finding new stuff and there is always something different to do.
@@artimist0315 To be fair my perspective comes from an unga Mii swordfighter with only the melee moves perspective.
Sheik is an example of a well balanced lightweight character - fast movement, fast frame data, combo focused, low damage output, difficult to secure kills. This is the design that all lightweights should have. But the amount of light characters in this game that hit like a truck is ridiculous, and that's what makes Sheik a bit redundant.
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Honestly I think if she had even slightly better killing power it would make a world of difference bc not being able to kill someone till they past 150 as light as she is ...is kinda ridiculous
I mean, she can kill fairly early, but her kill confirms aren’t always true, are only very few, and aren’t easy to execute.
@@Noba46688 If it’s not true it’s not a kill confirm lol, just a kill setup. Also sheik probably has the most kill confirms in the game, people just don’t want to spend learning to play a complex character
@@psyarts8687 the most? No she doesn’t lmfao. She has drag down up air smash attack (usually only up smash bc other smashes don’t kill early), and needles bouncing fish.
@@Noba46688 you cant be serious right
@@psyarts8687 prove To me that I’m wrong, then
You perfectly explained how I feel about her. Being good with Sheik is pretty much equal to how much work you put into the character; I don't think any other character is that close. She doesn't feel like you are being carried by her.
She has her obvious flaws, but she's still a satisfying character to play as; it just takes a lot of work.
Shiek's gameplay reminds me of Genji's gameplay from Overwatch. Very technically demanding, fast, and surgical. Punishing for players with a slower reaction time like me. At the same time, incredibly fun to watch in the hands of a pro.
If she could actually play like Melee Sheik, I would absolutely use her. Hard hitting with more knockback. Because as of now, its like working overtime at a factory for less than minimum wage. Not many people would want take up that offer, especially with other options available.
As a Sheik player, all of these points make sense. Playing the perfect Sheik is realistically extremely draining and close to impossible. Instead, you can play her based around fundamentals to take advantage of her frame data and slowly incorporate Sheik specific tech (usually her kill setups for efficiency). As for a reason to play her, it's mainly to enjoy the freedom and flashiness of her combo strings. But also when you do pull off those highs of kill setups and dominating neutral, it's a rush.
I love sheik but I also hate that she is sooo light wtf. When the opponent has rage 😡
Sheik’s up throw just needs to kill at like 160. If that were to case, she could still kill after all of her bread and butter combos in the 0 to 120 range.
Sheik is like playing a glass cannon except you shoot feathers while also moving at hyperspeed
Damn, this channel's quality of analysis was way above my expectations, instant sub.
I'm a Lucina main and I enjoy playing Shiek, although it feels so unrewarding to do such a long combo where you rack up damage just for your opponent to land like 4 moves and then boom % is tied but wait there's more, they're actually in advantage just because you're so light and have very little kill power. If Shiek had solid moves to kill at around 100% I personally would enjoy playing her a lot more.
Yeah, I think you've hit every nail on the head here. I've grown more attached to fast, rushdown characters lately, but Sheik has been the one character I've struggled to get a grip on. The sheer amount of effort it takes to play Sheik well is utterly draining, knowing that I can't afford many mistakes at all. Plus, there are other characters who take noticeably less effort to play well, but still revolve around being a rushdown character, like Fox and Joker, and Joker is considered Top 5 in the game at the moment. There was also the time right after release when Sheik was near-unanimously considered mid or even low tier, but got significant buffs in the updates to later become potentially top tier.
I think Sheik is fine where she is. The reward she gives off can potentially produce Best Player in the World results, yet she can easily crumble from careless mistakes. However, a high-effort, high-reward character is always incredibly fun to watch and play as, since all the hard work you put towards the character is finally paying off. That is, if you can handle dying earlier than Kirby would.
As a Sheik main, I honestly think the only thing Sheik needs is increased weight. I think Sheik being significantly lighter than Zelda while ironically being the same person is unfair. Even if there’s an argument to be made justifying Sheik being lighter than Zelda, in my opinion Sheik doesn’t deserve to be lighter than Kirby. Everything else about Sheik truly gives an honest reflection of the players themselves, so you just need to get good if you want to close out stocks or get combos on opponents
It's because Zelda has air resistance due to wearing a princess dress
@@averychurch1392Dress or no dress, Sheik shouldn't weigh less than Kirby lmao
That's why I dropped her, her speed is amazing and her kit is very satisfying to use, but there is too much work to put in to be even just decent, when there's characters like palutena who you can just pick and play with your basic understanding and no knowledge of how to play her and still be decent without much effort
Hope you talk about Megaman someday, cause despite him being super strong nobody plays him because his kit is way to different from the rest of the cast
I remember when Sheik used to be one of the most played and feared characters in the early days of Sm4sh
Can I just say I think it’s amazing how much high quality content you’re consistently putting out across 3 different channels keep up the good work
Sheik main here, style, sauce, passion, and utter destruction are why I play Sheik. I feel like Spiderman as Sheik.
The thing I think is missing from the video is sheer focus on high percent to get a kill, to me the 3 biggest advantages of playing Sheik is:
1) When done right, you can easily take out a stock at ~100% if you either take them off stage or time a smash attack, it doesn't have to be high percent if done right
2) The other big component is mind games and psychological advantage. When you get combo'd many times and it's hard to avoid Sheik's attacks - it does tilt you a bit and it makes it harder to play and predict the next move, and I think that on it's own is a viable strategy
3) If you play more re-actively and less aggressive - it's very rewarding, because while the opponent recovers from the attack, you have the time to approach and punish them
I started playing Sheik as main for a few weeks now, and I really love playing with her, she's tons of fun. She does require high concentration and flow, but when it works it feels very artful, watching pros play her is really addicting to me
When I get bodied by a Sheik, I always begin doubting myself and playing worse. xD It makes me want to play Sheik, because it feels like being danced upon, and the tilt makes me want to experience it from the other end. Then I pick Sheik, and fail to kill my opponent at 223% xD
Your content is incredibly detailed and more accurate to detail compared to most other Smash TH-camrs! I love it, please make more videos!
On the way!
Sheik Main since Melee. Missed out on Sm4sh because I didn’t have WiiU but proud to say I’m in Elite Smash at 11.4 Million GSP with her. Her movement is key but the struggle is REAL!
Sheik is just too much work. Joker feels like a way better version of Sheik
Her high risk high reward play style is risky but super satisfying to play with. Zelda/Sheik was the first character I remember playing with when I played smash melee for the first time at a friend’s house. She may not be meta but she’s meta in my heart.
Sheik is to smash, what Taokaka is to blazblue.
Increase her grab range slightly even with conditioning it’s way harder to get grabs without combining into it because grab range is so small. Just a tad bigger
Sheik is the type of character that's only fun when you're winning because she's frustrating as Hell to lose with. Also, surprised to hear no mention of her weird hitbox placement and her weakness against shielding opponents at high percent. On the topic of buffing her damage, that could feasible without breaking her combos because damage and knockback values exist independently of each other even though they are related, but then you run into the issue of her aerials becoming plus on shield
I don’t understand, what weaknesses does she have on shielded opponents? As long as you don’t spam punishable moves it’s fine, nobody can really punish a safely spaced Sheik aerial.
@@firstlast-wg2on For real... sheik has so many safe moves on shield. Needles are safe and combo to kill confirms even at ridiculous percents.
@@firstlast-wg2on high percent cuz she doesnt do any shield damage and grab does no percent and is useless. thats why shielding is so good against her high percent. think that is what he means
@@yuhhh2851 Ah yeah, I just grab and punish landing options, or push stage control. It’s definitely a minor weakness though, not a trump card. I think you have to consider the stance of the opponent though, even if you decide to turtle, you don’t gain much. A forward throw at center stage means immediately you have to play in disadvantage, and if you escape safely you lose more stage control. Assuming you’re reasonably close to ledge forward or back throw can mean a ledge trap or edgeguard which Sheik is great at. I’d say you’re probably best to turtle on FD, if you turtle on platform stages throws can lead to tech chasing scenarios for Sheik, even at un-ideal percentages for combo’ing and kill confirms, I win a lot of scenarios platform tech chasing at high percents because of throws.
@@firstlast-wg2on
Your opponent is Samus. She is at 150% and she's turtling you. How do you kill her?
You say all this stuff about pushing advantage, but sheik's throws put you at probably the safest diadvantage position against her humanly imagineable. Unless you jump in against a back throw, she has to commit really hard just to find a hit that will kill you. Meanwhile characters like Roy have throws that set up tech chase situations or send at aggresive angles where you can reliably edgeguard them. And for other characters that can have trouble killing, like Sonic and Paisy, they have percents where basically everything will kill you, and just playing a safe advantage state will eventually get you there. Sheik is nothing like that.
Sheik is just like a glass cannon except she isn’t a cannon she’s just glass
Though sheik indeed has needes, she can still struggle with range when trying to approach since most of her hitboxes are juste outside of her hurtboxe making her having some of the least disjointed attacks in the game.
Doing a 50 hit combo, just for 15% damage
Thank you for explain my main literally perfectly. What a great analysis. If you put in the time she’s worth it guys! It does feel like a 9-5 from time to time but getting a win with sheik is an unbelievable feeling
Where did THIS channel come from??? Wish I found it sooner. This a very well put together discussion, hope to see more!
Also, for Sheik, I think she turned out to be quite a bit better than I initially thought but I still think she's too unforgiving to be considered top tier. And I personally am still more negative on her than most, I struggle even considering her high tier because of how prone she is to getting blown up and how she can't just blow people up in return. If she weighed just a bit more, my opinion of her would be so much higher. I think that would've been the safest way to make her still very strong but not mess up her playstyle. As is, though, she ended up in a decent spot, and I'll never take it easy when I face one.
As A Sheik Main I'd Like To Give You This 'W' ... Hold It
This is his 3rd channel, he's mainly a LoL TH-camr with 100K subs on it.
Sheik doesn't deal damage👽
I know this series from your main channel and I really like it. Thats why Im even happier to see it for smash. Keep it up!
Sheik is so fun to play but its so frustrating too.
Loving this series so far! as a Lucario main I'd love to see a why no one plays Lucario video, he's got some really interesting strengths and weaknesses that could be fun to cover
This video is very accurate. As a sheik main she is extremely frustrating at times but very rewarding at thr same time
Reason why I love Joker is the speed and the attack speed he has and I love the attack power he has plus his recovery is really safe especially when Arsien on.
Sheik's problem for me is the low reward she gives for all your effort, she has speed but low attack and easy to kill, thoses are the reason I don't play her.
The video definitely did say why I don't play her.
Joker recovery is way better without Arsene
@@zeeschnell397 I love his tether recovery the best one of all the tether recovery.
@Joshua Suh but the difference is Byleth is powerful and her tether recovery is much better for recovering even if it's slow.
@Joshua Suh oh yeah it is also a great KO option.
i cant explain it but i tend to do really well with sheik, the low damage potential and lack of kill moves is annoying but it makes so rewarding to play when you do pull off the win
thx for the video man, i love sheik for how creative you can be with her
This game feels much like a participation award at times.
Did not expect to feel better about being a Shiek player from a video about why no one plays her. Really cool video, man!
My man you handled your analysis of my best girl with great care and for that I have to give you respect. I'm legit a little choked up because I've been unable to put into clear and concise words (or thoughts for that matter) for, well.. multiple decades, why I've always loved playing Sheik, as well as why I recently haven't loved playing Smash for the last few years and why I've been so mad at my favorite mysterious ninja.
Granted I'm a more casual player, but for a very long time Smash has been in my top 3 franchises ever. My main was always Sheik, and within my local playgroup of twenty kids or so. I've always loved playing with both friends and family, but spent a lot of time pulling punches or playing my off characters or the same character of someone struggling to find their groove. Now I'm in my thirties though, and for the last several years I've been finding nothing but frustration in something I used to take such joy in.
My reactions are terrible, and my ability to convince people to play Melee or Project M these days is almost nil so I'm not playing in the gravity that I'm used to with different movesets than I remember. I still loved playing with my nieces and nephews, but constantly get dominated as Sheik. It's not that they screwed her in the design, it's that I'm old, raggedy and held to together with mostly spit, bailing wire and good luck these days XD
I'll rely on Ness and Ganon when I'm nostalgic, but I think I need to learn a new main, or else put in quite a lot of work on finding a way to compromise my playstyle with Her in a way that I can compensate for my bad reactions in casual settings. Thank you so much for this video. You've given me back my love of the game, and simultaneous given me a ready-made response for why I find Sheik such a joy to pilot when I'm on form and before the rum.
Thanks for starting this series! Very educational
Sheik could definitely benefit (in a balanced way) from at least one 0 IQ kill confirm. If you look at a lot of the roster, Kirby and Pyra have down tilt to up smash, Inkling, DK, and many others have the ability to bury their opponents before hitting them hard, the list goes on. But Sheik? Her easiest kill confirm combo is arial attack into down smash, and it's actually kinda difficult to land since it only works if you hit your opponent offstage with the arial attack.
Very informitive, gonna give Sheik the old collage try after watching this! Thanks for all the info
Can’t wait for the ganon one, be sure to mention the “fear factor” passive buff he gets 🤣
Like Chipp in Guilty Gear the best way to describe playing Shiek is doing 100 question speed arithmetic test needing to score 100% while everyone else is doing a one question long division test with a margin of error.
VARS!!! I JUST DISCOVERED THIS SPLINTER CHANNEL OF YOURS AND YOU’RE REALLY MAKING ME FALL BACK INTO ONE OF MY OLD HYPERFIXATIONS 😫
"High risk high reward character" as you show a 5 hit combo that doesn't even do 30% lol
It’s like a phrase, “the character sucks because the player suck” to the most fitting degree.
I loved playing shiek in smash 4 shame she's so hard to play now.
Yo i didn't realize you made a new Chanel for smash
I like how these videos are less about why the characters are bad and more about why people don't like playing them
Pretty good analysis. I'd like to see one on Robin.
im a sheik main, its hard work, frustrating sometimes even but whenbyou pop off, its disgustingly satisfying
She's cool and has a high skill ceiling but you need to play perfect to win.
She's a just a for fun character because your results would instantly increase if you put your time in Steve instead
Also unlike most characters you need to work for a kill with a set up and can't throw out a move
now i legit wanna see some kind of robot that can react in less than 1 frame play her just to see what it would look like
"No attack is fast enough to come out frame 3 out of shield"
G&W would like to know your location
Game and watch’s fire is exactly frame 3. Nothing comes out FASTER than frame 3
Love these video's, keep it going
Cant wait for a bayonetta video discussing her fall from Grace
love the mockrock mention!
Sheik mains be needing that Cowboy Bebop red-eye shiz. Keep those eyes open!
The whole “Sheik” can’t kill thing is just that she plays so differently. But the focus on percent always confused me. Yes, she doesn’t do much damage, but it compliments her toolkit, she has extremely precise kill confirms, so you can trade out finishing combos for dropping them on purpose to catch escape options, read and react, or edge guard, ledgetrap, etc. to convert into kills. So while she may take a while to kill at times, the same can be said for every character.
The average smash player lacks the skill to even use sheik. I mean we're talking about a group of people that need Samurai to explain to them how to do a half circle. What else do you expect?
i mained sheik in smash 4 and obliterated. when i stopped using her in ultimate, i thought i was just bad with her and got bad. this definitely reassured me that i dont suck.
5:25 Geez, I didn't expect to see the gremlins, I mean Michael and Lily, here on your channel
Great video! 🔥
8:03 - "narrow as all hell"...
The path to hell is wide, the path to heaven is narrow and few find it.
May the blessings of the Lord be upon you!
To use Fire Emblem logic (the good ones anyway since the series was effectively dead/transformed after New Mystery of the Emblem), Myrmidons are the fastest fighters on the map, yet dish out damage so low that they ideally cannot scratch Knights (Tanks) unless they have an Armorslayer. They have high Avoid and low HP/Armor/Resistance, so you have to be mindful of where to position them to ensure they don't have too many opportunities to get hit.
In this game more than any other I think sheik would have appreciated being able to transform into Zelda because her KO options are just so lacking.
I love playing sheik, but a big part of playing sheik well if you aren't a god is taking spacing breaks. This being time you move out of danger from quick attacks to recover your mental focus, than maneuvering in a neutral to start up a hit sequence again. Most other players/viewers don't like seeing so much down time so it's frowned or even punished to play in a way that can increase performance with a very difficult to control character.
The is a big missconception on sheik that you need to win neutral 20 times to close a stock. The thing you don't realise is that while sheik does need to land more moves to do the same damage, her moves combo into each other or advantage state, and while one single strick doesn't do much, all the hit she can land for just one neutral win compensates her low damage per hit. So the actual difficult thing with sheik is not winning neutral over and over, but knowing how to make you advantage state last as long as possible, which if you ask me, is way easier as sheik.
But then why wouldn't you use Fox, who can win Neutral as easily and get the same amount of reward without nearly as much effort? Sheik is comparably more draining to play as.
Characters like Falco and Kazuya gain a lot of reward out of a neutral win, though they sacrifice a lot of mobility for their ridiculous punish games. Those characters reward mastering long strings far more than Sheik, have stronger and simpler kill options, and again, are less draining to play as.
The main problem is that Sheik is a middle ground between a combo character and a neutral one, but both archetypes on their own are less draining to play as because they yield more reward for less. Sheik needs the nerfed damage output to be balanced, but this also makes her draining to play as.
I’d argue that’s the harder part. That’s why void is so insane with sheik simply because he has an insane ability to extend his advantage state turning around his combos and going back and forth. That’s really not easy to do though which is where a lot of sheik players struggle. It’s easier to win neutral with sheik over and over than to truly make the most of her advantage state. That’s where the difference is between a decent sheik player and a great one
@@maxbernhart5822 To extend it to the same point as Void does is clearly extremely hard, but there are plenty of relatively easy and practical combos you can do with sheik that does enough damage to be on equal footing with other characters. Of course if you compare it to palutena's or falco combos, they are less rewarding but I don't find sheik more rewarding combo much simpler than Pika stuffs for exemple.
@@shadestrider1033 Fox's game feel is much different, and honestly I (and I think it is the case for plenty of players) are not suited to play with fox extreme stats. Sheik have much simpler movement in comparison, and feel more like a more mobile standard character than an "extreme character" like fox. And playing sheik in neutral isn't particularly draining to play if you are used to the engine of the game (AKA if you don't play heavyweights or character with stupidly complexe and specific movement options). Again I feel like people think the need to play void level sheik to enjoy the character, which is a missconception. Technically yes, you will enjoy the game more with a proto level lucina, a marss level zss or a zackrai level wolf, that doesn't make these characters unfun to play at low level.
@@artimist0315 sadly to be on equal footing as other characters is still more work. Sure you can just do forward throw to bouncing fish at early %, but where other characters have mindless combos that don't have a lot branching paths like fox in their archetype, sheik has a lot more and it varies wildly across the cast. You are undersellimg how much harder her combos are compared to the rest of the cast. Her neutral isn't hard, but maximizing and optimizing this character is far harder than most. You have to do an extra step more for most things with her. Parry punishes, reads (her smash attacks are weak so you have innovate), and etc. Pikas neutral is FAR more straight forward and pika has loops which considerably makes combos more straight forward because loops usually involve doing the same few moves or some repetition. Sheik is more open ended in that regard.
I agree that her advantage is the hardest aspect of the character, but this is a character that you absolutely need to know what you are doing to even compete at most levels (not just high level) and are held back a considerable amount more than most.
Can't wait for people to start Mass maining steve and start the Steve instrumentality project
Remebered that you also did smash videos ! loved the league ones and im sure ill love the smash ones (as a smash and league player myself)
My friends rage quit when I play Sheik in Melee
My real mixup was when I actually knew how to play as Zelda too
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I taught my nephew how to wavedash in Melee years ago (he was like 9) and now he is stupid good at any smash game. I must retire.
Are you gonna do Why No One Plays: Kirby, Meta Knight or Lucario sometime soon? Those are some of the characters I like to main.
Lucario seems a worth consideration. Even when he was good he was unpopular, and now he isn't even good to begin with. Why isn't he good? Because he has the wrong kind of strenghts for the game. His OoS is awful when before shieldgrab was a good option, his autocancels don't matter in a world without landing lag, his aura is weaker, a faster moving cast means his camping style doesn't work and he's worse at killing while the rest is better.
I stopped playing competitive smash when they killed Sheik (in smash 4). It was the death of my fun in this game.
Playing sheik is like well, finding a needle in a haystack
Ever since they removed her unique transformation and gave it to dlc she has been seen so much damn less.
So she's a lot like A. Sol in League. Astronomical skill celling, but also astronomical skill floor as well
No one plays it but I always find a Sheik whooping my ass online 😭
My personal reasoning for not touching her:
too much effort and not enough kill power.
I don't really agree with sheik needing a lot of effort. At the end of the game, you are still playing smash like you would with any other characters, it's not liek with ice climbers or rosa luma where you need to learn weird desync or with peach where you need to get use to float and turnips. Of course she has some combos, every characters have some, but at a lower level they aren't as necessary as people say. I just think that to enjoy sheik, you need a good understanding of the basic mecanics of the game.
@@artimist0315 you would be in the absolute minority in that opinion. Especially considering those characters have a MUCH higher play rate at all levels and you can play all the characters you listed casually and still do well off. It's just when you get to higher levels where it's harder.
Sheik is hard even at lower levels of play because just doing basic things with her isn't as rewarding. Ice climbers do a shit tone of damage without desyncs and often can't desync qgainst zoners. Peach has float, but you can do more than well enough with her and Rosa just playing the game until higher level. Playing basic sheik gets you absolutely no where. You have to somewhat optimize.
The main thing keeping Sheik and her mobility and rapid attacks from the top tier in Melee (on par with the space animals, Marth, and Captain Falcon) is that you need to dedicate a few seconds to switching from Zelda at the start of the match. Can't select her on the character select screen, after all.
" All that for a single drop of blood "
From the vid, I can see Sheik is kinda similar to Azir from league, yes u can do anything, but u must go through lots of effort no matter what just to match others with less effort due to how low numbers they had
I love playing Sheik since Brawl.
i would say to give sheik a little more knockback on her smash attacks and up and down airials to balance her out and make her viable. it keeps the fast combo heavy aspect of her intact and allows her to have better killpower to take stocks. you could also add minor buffs to her specials if you wanted
just give me a finisher on her, so my op doesn't just camp at 200% and kill me. you beat them up all over the stage, then they just never get ko'ed.
I honestly feel bad when a sheik sweats for a bunch of damage and I delete all of their advantage by pressing flame breath
Awhile ago you were asking about possible merch. I think a great shirt would be one that says "Oh no, they most certainly can". You say that in a lot if your WNOP and to me at least it's funny everytime.
Sheik was my main in Melee. No one could beat me
Probably not the most agreeable take, but in my opinion Bayonetta and Sheik were nerfed in ways that didn't just make them "worse" but also ended up making them less fun to play. Ultimately fun is the goal of competitive games for me, so the treatment of characters in this sort of way is what makes them a hard pass for me. A slightly toned-down smash 4 Sheik would have still been really good without the high execution barrier, but more importantly would have been more fun to pick up and play/learn. I tried Sheik early on but the Ls you take are much more discouraging than characters that are "easier" or just generally more "well-rounded"
One thing people forget when suggesting that increases to damage would break her flow is that damage and knockback (bkb and kbg), while related, are still independently adjustable. If you wanted to give more damage but keep knockback curves basically the same, you could do some experimentation with adjusting bkb and kbg with increased damage (try to produce a similar knockback curve to the existing one in desmos for example, holding all variables constant aside from those two) and fine tune it to allow for that to work. In addition, you can adjust moves specifically meant to launch to have higher knockback values to allow for somewhat earlier kills, mitigating the opponent survival issue. Essentially, if you wanted to patch Sheik to be more forgiving in terms of human ability, it would be possible without affecting her playstyle that much, so long as you’re careful with adjustment and counter-adjustment.
"Why no one plays Shiek"
Void: Am I a joke to you?
Void hasn't been in a major for a while
Sheik is far and away my favorite character. While I haven't played Ultimate yet I've been playing her since she was a playable character. Her speed and ability to edge guard so effectively make her stand out in my mind.
At this point, I wouldn't be surprised if there was a "Why no one plays SSBU"