What other eGPU testing do you want to see? I want to test different laptop CPUs, different graphics cards, other applications outside of gaming, and compare with a desktop PC in future.
In future I'd definitely like to see how much the CPUs hold these setups back. I have my suspicions they were pegged at close to max -- maybe you could use a HWinfo64 overlay with the CPU usage
Some people may have a powerful gpu in an otherwise dated desktop build and are interested in putting that gpu in an inclosure with their new gaming lap, could be a good subject to touch on in the vid!
Dell XPS 13 2in1 looks like an interesting laptop, not necessarily test it with an eGPU, but maybe do a review on it? Since it's one of the first laptops with a 10th gen i series processor, would be nice to see that icelake performance. It also looks quite nice:)
A lot of people spend $2000+ on high end gaming laptops these days. I see this technology as more of an upgrade path for those who can't justify spending another 2k+ when it's graphics become dated. It allows you to keeps your current machine for much longer. Whether you hook it up to a monitor or not; you are still seeing improvement.
Old comment but this is exactly why I got a Core X. Laptops last a long time except for the GPUs becoming quite quickly outdated, TB3 egpu is a compromise but throwing a 30 or 40 series card into the eGPU enclosure pretty much negates this.
@@lemagreengreen It's exactly what I'm doing too. I've had gaming laptops for years now. I tend to be buying the XX60/70 at the £1000-£1200 mark. This time I'm buying a £600 laptop, £300 GPU and £300 dock. So for the first one, it's about the same cost. However, if in two years I need more CPU performance, I can just upgrade the £600 laptop. If in 4 years, the GPU needs upgrading I can just buy a more powerful GPU. The eGPU setup will give me enough gaming performance, but with the ability to trade out one of the components. This also makes it cheaper to repair. If your gaming laptop's GPU goes bust, then the whole system baasically needs replacing, rather than jsut the GPU.
One thing you may not be considering is workplace applications. Some people can do 90% of their work without a graphics card but need one 10% of the time. In a team setting, you can invest in a single eGPU that can be shared among team members instead of paying to upgrade everyone's GPU for work they do 10% of the time.
But only one person can use it at a time so if they all need access to it they're going to have to wait and take turns which isn't that efficient. I guess it depends on the project/work they do but if they're a small company I guess it can be an option.
Still waiting for the M15 R2 review before deciding to buy tbh because your videos are the only thing I can trust and that are in-depth. Don't want to push you though as you are uploading almost everyday. Keep up the good work Jarrod!
@@thenatous_ everything runs hot nowadays, soldered ram is a big no no but if they supply 32gb option I don't see the problem part form them making probably another 100 pounds of u on that model. I've searched a lot of gaming laptops and alienware is the only one that I've seen hit clock speed without any throttling. Razer maybe aswell but their customer service scares me. Aero having the ports on the side is a killer for me, must be from the back. I have had thick clevo gaming laptop I don't mind it being that thick or heavy but since I'm looking for a new laptop I'm gonna try get the lighter models.
Thermals are similar to m15 R1, has an inverted mobo & soldered RAM, so not a good choice IMO. New Aero 15 would be a better choice or just get an older m15. Both have one of the worst thermals, Jarrod's old video is still true, only diff I observed with my RTX m15 is that it more aggressively power throttles while gaming but temps will still be 90C+ with 2.6GHz or so clock speeds. You can definitely improve it a lot with UV, boost freq limit & cooling pad but many other laptops hit higher freq for same temps after doing all those. Even new Omen 15t seems better than the older one, Ownordisown did a review.
With the lows being so close together between the laptop screen with the core x and the external screen with the core x, i think it’s safe to say that you don’t “need” and external monitor, especially if you have a laptop with a 144 refresh rate (i understand not all of you do) but even at 60-70 fps your laptop screen should be fine.
I think for this to be practical to the average gamer a few things need to happen.. 1.) The enclosure has to be less $$ 2.) Thunderbolt 3 being as common as USB 3.) Change in technology to reduce performance loss/bottlenecking 4.) More portable enclosures As it is now, it's nice for a small percentage of gamers but just seems really impractical for most. Plus gaming laptops can be pretty light/powerful and desktops can be built in extremely small form factors in 2019. Thanks for the video Jarrod as always!
Cheers! I expect Thunderbolt will be more common going forward, I think they made it an open standard, but more bandwidth (I guess Thunderbolt 4?) would make it more useful.
1 - The enclosure costs money, but it shaves it off the cost of the computer. 2 - Thunderbolt 4 and USB4 are commonplace now. 3 - TB3 and TB4 are basically the same. What we need is TB5, which is coming out this year, so expect it to be in laptops next year / next couple of years. 4 - Enclosure is fine. It's for docking a GPU. So must be of a certain size.
Yes please: a detailed comparison of eGPU vs PC performance, especially at 4K ! Ideally if you can: laptop+eGPU vs PC+GPU vs PC+eGPU. The later, even if nobody would use it in practice is useful to understand possible bottlenecks
For those saying there is no market for these: go buy a gaming PC.... I already have a gaming PC. Due to the pandemic I gave my Thinkpad docking station to my son to use with his Chromebook. I have to replace by Thinkpad docking station. When you look at the price of a TB3 docking station, the prices start around $270. I picked up a Chroma X Core for around $350 and I have a docking station and ability for my son to play a few games off of my work laptop while I play on my gaming rig.
im surprised that there are no haters in the top comments spamming about how razer's trash. it really shows that the internet has grown- *goes to the rest of youtube, changes mind.*
I mean if u get something like a razer stealth with decent specs and good battery life and it’s lightweight and thin. So when u get home u can use this if u want to game
Which would weigh a lot more and have much worse battery life - no thanks. I prefer having a light laptop with good battery life that can then plug into one of these at my desk. Best of both worlds.
The only use case I can envision for this setup is for when you are vehemently refusing to have a setup consisting of an ultrabook and desktop gaming system. The cost of the Razer laptop (of which are insanely overpriced here in Oz) and the cost of the eGPU enclosure and then a hefty GPU just screams pointlessness. For that money you could build a bloody good desktop gaming rig and buy a decent ultrabook. And with modern cloud-based "handover" software integration, you can pretty much switch from one device to the other and continue where you left off on that document or project you were working on. I just simply cannot see a business case for having developed this product. Hmm, maybe that's why the Razer laptops are so expensive? Another great video, Jarrod. Cheers mate!
Naga Lives Matter yea I may get a setup like this soon for college. I have a very good desktop but unfortunately it may be tough to bring that to college as I’m not sure of dorm situations.
TB3 gets way more bottlenecked at lower resolution like 1080p. Please do an analysis with a 1070/1080 comparing 1080p and 1440p in a TB3 enclosure. If possible medium settings would be appreciated as the type of person to buy a TB3 will most likely not game in max settings. Awesome vid
The reasons I'm considering buying it: 1) I have absolutely no space on my desk to put a screen keyboard and mouse etc. 2) I don't have the money to build a decent gaming PC without selling my laptop, but I cant sell it cuz I take it to uni. 3) My 2018 dell g7 laptop overheats like a mad one while using the dedicated gpu, it Also has a Thunderbolt 3. 4) I plan on getting a ultrabook in the future, but also wanna game on it.
One of the reasons I watch your videos is because I like mimicking accents and I am not so good with Australian accent, u talk clearly and you r a tech TH-camr so I can do two things at a time, watch tech videos and learn Australian accent 😁
Yeah it really depends how badly you want just one machine/setup, so smaller laptop for portability that you just connect with one cable to dock at home, costs more vs a well specced gaming laptop and mid range PC.
@@JarrodsTech thank you so very much for the response, I just needed to know if it would work with my laptop... I have a Razer Blade Studio 15 with a RTX Quadro 5000 and wanted to get an eGPU to be able to stream and encode with the iGPU on the laptop , So basically I would be encoding with the iGPU and playing the game on the eGPU. Is that possible ?
Any updates to date on this topic? Namely, how the price tag ( I can for instance get a used core x for €150) and adding a rtx 3070 to it would probobly make sense, right? Particularly in my case using a msi gs73vr 7rg stealth pro with the gtx 1070MaxQ. I should about double my performance, I am guessing. Or at least be able to get 100 frames or so on a 42/43" monitor at 4k. That´s the main reason I want to upgrade with an eGPU by the way, I am overall still happy with my 4,5 years old stealth pro.
The performance bottleneck at 1080p is _horrendous_ over thunderbolt. If you're going to spend $400 on an eGPU plus the $1000+ dollars for a 2080ti, you _better_ be getting 200-250+ FPS in games like Fortnite for Christ's sake. Razer has got some balls charging this much for something akin to a PCI riser board in a plastic and aluminum case with some RGB LEDs and a built-in USB hub (plus the gigabit ethernet connection, but gigabit ethernet is so ubiquitous and cheap it doesn't add more than $5 of value to this product in my opinion).
That TB3 connection is a HUGE bottleneck for a 2080 Ti unless you plan on playing at 1800p-2160p. I feel like the TB connection in that Stealth 13” is a X2 PCIe connection with that level of performance. I would definitely like to see a test with the Alienware Graphics Amplifier 2080 Ti setup, assuming you get any Alienware laptops to test with soon.
I've compared the alienware graphics amplifier with thunderbolt 3 here: th-cam.com/video/_8hG3C20uxQ/w-d-xo.html The Razer Blade Stealth has 4 PCIe lanes with Thunderbolt.
For someone like me who have a Dell Latitude 7200 2-in-1 tablet and always bring it everywhere, this Razer eGPU enclosure is definitely a perfect home companion.
thanks for the thorough review! I bought this enclosure and waiting for delivery. I also bought an XFX 6800 XT card, but turns out that it's 1 cm longer than what this Razer enclosure can handle, do you think if I leave the tray 1 cm open, will there be an issue? Or it won't work, nor the rgb lights? Thanks!
RGB lighting is good for another 15fps if you run 1 color setting ! I suppose ton of people use laptops because they lack the space to have a desktop, and not because of portability. In East Europe for example, the flats typically average 45-65 sq meters. Toss in a wife and kids, and a desktop is pretty much out of the question unless you want to continually repair things that get kicked around or displays that get knocked over. In this scenario an external GPU would make sense as you could get an older enclosure and maybe a 1070 or 1080 used at a decent price. New laptops in moscow for example, can cost you well over $1800 for a bottom of the line gaming, unless you can find some close out models. I would love to have a desktop, but no space to put it. We knocked the balcony windows and door out, put a marble top on the remaining part. Sort of like a mini-bar. That's where the Dell G7 17 resides.
@@JarrodsTech Exactly. I have a laptop not for portability, but because I have limited space. Pretty much how it is in East Europe. I run an RTX 2060, so I really don't have the need to upgrade to something more powerful. But hey, love your channel!
Wow so glad I found this video... you have the exact same laptop I have! Planning on getting the core but would really appreciate some advice on which card to get. Hoping for something cheaper than 2080 but still have good performance. What would you recommend? 2060?
2060 would still be a huge step up over the MX or no GPU inside the blade, just keep in mind the lower CPU and thunderbolt will knock it back a tier or two, so might end up doing closer to a laptop 1660 Ti / Max-Q.
This might be a dumb question since this is an old video, but did you actually get around to making a video testing the performance of GPUs in an eGPU like this versus the same GPU in a desktop? I ask because I've recently ordered a Blade 15 Base since the price was dropped to shift old stock before the 10th gen ones come in and had in mind to use of these down the line to up the graphical horsepower if/when I needed to; and it's been hard to find concrete metrics on that comparison.
Great review. I also reached a similar conclusion and just built a decent 2080Ti gaming desktop rather than adding an eGPU to my Blade 15 with 2070MQ which probably wouldn’t have been able to perform to the potential of the 2080Ti.
Seems like the Razer Blade Stealth + 2080 ti eGPU to external monitor setup is approximately equal to a 15 inch gaming laptop with an RTX 2060 Max-P. A laptop with an RTX 2080 Max-Q would run about 30 FPS on average higher then the Razer Blade/eGPU/external monitor setup all else being equal.
And with price of all setup (except laptop) would cost more than a gaming laptop with a great gpu like 2060 or even 2080, so I guess it's a bad idea to use egpu
@@JarrodsTech I be curious to see how the new Razer Blade Stealth with the 10th generation Intel Ice lake processor does with the same 2080 ti eGPU setup given it would potentially present a slightly less restrictive CPU bottleneck. It would also be interesting to compare those benchmarks to those of the new Stealth's internal GTX 1650 GPU. If there is comparable performance between the two that might completely eliminate the benefits of getting an eGPU for that particular laptop.
Would the standard Razer Core X with its 650 Watts power output be able to handle something, like a RTX 3090 recommended 750 watts of power? If so, what would the be negative effect of having a power supply unit lesser than recommended for the specific GPU?
To be honest I am not sure as I haven't tried it, from what I'm aware of the GPU is mostly engaged during the export phase rather than during the actual editing process, however I plan on testing this in future.
hi jarrod, was watching your reviews, but u should put in how much fps run the games in other qualities, or using a 1050/1060 i think is more abbordable
Using a 1050 is absolutely pointless with an eGPU enclosure, it would probably perform worse than a 1030, plus every single graphics card would double testing time and this already took long enough to do. I will do something in future where I test 10+ GPUs, but I definitely can't do different graphics every video. This is such an expensive and niche solution that it makes sense to show the best case scenario.
I have to use my work laptop for portability but it has a bitchin processor just poor graphics. I have 5 other family members with a similar situation, and we share a common desk at home. Instead of having one pc, we can have this setup with the thunderbolt cable so we easily just plug in our own laptop and then have a high performance machine while keeping everything both individual and private with our own computers. It is a niche product but it fits my situation perfectly since we will get much more bang for the buck by already having laptops with good processors
Wouldn't you consider using eGPU solely because it can increase the lifespan of your (gaming) laptop further? I mean, there are people using 3rd gen i7 with some modern games, just updating the gpu. Let's say I buy a 9th gen intel cpu laptop with TB3, it would last at least 4-5 years if I update just my eGPU from, let's say, 2 to 2 years. What do you think? Am I wrong here?
What after 3 years in the long run can pay off?. When games gets newer and laptop hardware gets outdated. Is it better to buy just a new gaming laptop. Or keep your current laptop and buy a EGPU enclousure with a current timeline desktop GPU. Which one has its pros and cons at that time. I am asking for your people opinion
im imagining if i was at school on a Design Class seeing my friend taking out his laptop with a mobile i3 8th gen doing the class tasks, then when the teacher said we can chill he pulling out of a bag (looking like a sports bag) This Razer Core X with his 1070 !
Hey, finally a relief to find this video. I have AW51MD503AU - Alienware Area 51m R2. Right now, I have 2080 super; it has been a year since I got it. I am planning on getting a 38' Alienware monitor AW3821WD. For better gaming performance in 3840 x 1600 resolution, thinking about getting 3090. Will NVIDIA 3090 with RAZER CORE X CHROMA, EXTERNAL GRAPHICS ENCLOSURE do the job?
Is there a specific reason why I should buy the Helios 300? The Strix Hero III looks to be a pretty good laptop, but I can't find any gaming benchmarks for it so I can't be certain.
Hey Jarrod, pumped about the next video you teased as it will prob answer this question, but I have a 1080 ti in an older build that I haven't used much since I got the new Aero 15, do you think I'd get any performance gain at all over the 2070 max q if I put the 1080 ti in an enclosure and ran it to an external monitor? I know egpu setups lose like 10-30% performance... Thank you for your highly detailed videos, love this channel!
Hmm yeah I think so, unfortunately I don't own a 1080 Ti so unfortunately I won't be able to test that out when I do the big eGPU test :( for reference when I used my 1080 in the past it was similar to the 1060 Max-Q in the Dell G5 I was testing with, so it's hard to say, it might end up being close, but I'd think the 1080 Ti would still have an edge, whether or not that makes it worth buying an enclosure for it is hard to say though.
@@JarrodsTech Thanks for the reply! Yeah it's a tough call, my 1080 ti build is pretty dated, win 7, 4790k (still a champ), and 16 gigs of pretty slow ddr 3 ram, so I'm prob already bottle knecking the gpu. My Aero has the 9th gen i7, win 10 pro and 32 gigs of 2667 ram and I'm dying to know if my Aero with egpu would be a slower, faster or equal performer. Guess I should just get an egpu enclosure and find out for myself, in the name of SCIENCE! Cheers
Hey can you do the new intel mag 15 It was a very thin laptop with crazy thermal Also can you put a watercool card inside the core x by replace the fan behind every the gpu?
Unfortunately I cannot get it at the moment. They are based in the US and I'm in Australia, and return shipping costs a fair bit of money for me to borrow it. It will likely be available here rebranded by some other company I suspect, then it may be possible. Otherwise if Eluktronics are happy to cover the cost of sending it here I am more than happy to test it out on the channel. I suppose that may be possible as long as it just has a 120mm rad 🤔
there is a market however to have a usb/thunderbolt windows to go solution, an egpu with GPU, and move your os anywhere you want, backup the os hard drive, spin it up on any computer that can boot from usb/thunderbolt, for oomph, take ur egpu with you
Hmm doesn't seem like the best idea to use a single OS install and swap it between multiple machines if that's what you mean. Could be driver issues that cause performance loss.
Imagine being able to afford both this, a 2080 RTX TI, and a Razer Blade. Sure there is cheaper soltions. But imagine being so rich, that it didnt matter.
I have an Intel NUC Skull Canyon (the NUC6i7KYK kit) with 32GB of RAM and enough amount of SSD space. I'm considering buying an external GPU enclosure together with an RTX 2070 Super or RTX 2080 Ti GPU in order to play Half-Life Alyx in VR. Do you think this setup could deliver good performance? As far as specs are concerned, I see that this setup does meet the recommended requirement for Half-Life Alyx. But I'm not sure whether I'm missing some important point there. Basically, I'm going in a rather unconventional way, i.e. eGPU -> Thunderbolt 3 -> Intel NUC -> VR headset. Much appreciated to have your views please. Thanks.
I'm thinking of doing this with my Intel 10th gen I7 Nuc. I'm fully aware of tb bottlenecking, I also definitely don't need or care about running this on 4K either. I've seen people saying 1080P increases bottlenecks though? How does this work and how much of an increase are we talking here? I would have thought it would decrease it I guess, but hey 🤷♂
So, what's the difference between this one and the "base" Core X aside from RGB and couple of extra ports? I'm not sure the extra dollars are justified. Do they perform the same?
I've never tested the original so can't speak in terms of performance, though don't see any reason why it would make a difference. I cover the differences on screen in a table near the end of the video.
@@JarrodsTech Oops, I commented before watching the end of the video. I was thinking of getting a gpu enclosure for my XPS 13 since I have a GTX 1080 sitting on a shelf. The extra ports would be nice (especially since the XPS 13 doesn't have usb A nor ethernet), but I heard using them while playing games would reduce performance. Have you experienced anything like that?
Unfortunately HP don't send me review units and they cost too much in my country for me to buy just to review, sorry, hopefully it will be possible in future if they decide to get in contact.
I'm still waiting for a cheap EGPU enclosure. For the price of this thing ($400), I can get a last gen i5 (6600k), a motherboard, and ram. At that point I just need an extra $50 for a PSU. So for an extra $50 I can basically have a full desktop PC, I just need the GPU (which this thing also needs), and a monitor (which most of us already have).
I bought an Zephyrus M15 From Asus, which comes with an RTX 2070 Max-Q design, it also have Thunderbolt 3. If I buy a eGPU and let's say I also buy an RTX 30, would I see an improvement In what I was capable of achieving? Or is it worth it at all?
I've been interested in eGPUs for a while since everything is on one device, but you mentioned that there's another way that can give me similar results (I think you said NAS/NAZ). Could you tell me more about this?
Wait so what happens if you already have a gpu in the laptop like an rtx 2060 or 2070 max-q and add an eGPU. Does it improve performance of the laptop a pretty good amount or just like a couple more frames(with a monitor)?
I've only used about three, this one and the mantiz are similar, mantiz is cheaper and had more features, and I'm working on a video for a water cooled one now
What other eGPU testing do you want to see? I want to test different laptop CPUs, different graphics cards, other applications outside of gaming, and compare with a desktop PC in future.
In future I'd definitely like to see how much the CPUs hold these setups back. I have my suspicions they were pegged at close to max -- maybe you could use a HWinfo64 overlay with the CPU usage
ray tracing?
Some people may have a powerful gpu in an otherwise dated desktop build and are interested in putting that gpu in an inclosure with their new gaming lap, could be a good subject to touch on in the vid!
DIY eGPU please :)
Dell XPS 13 2in1 looks like an interesting laptop, not necessarily test it with an eGPU, but maybe do a review on it? Since it's one of the first laptops with a 10th gen i series processor, would be nice to see that icelake performance. It also looks quite nice:)
It's real, I can attest when I turned on the RGB on my PC, my FPS increased from 60 fps all the way up to 60 fps, so don't dismiss it
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A lot of people spend $2000+ on high end gaming laptops these days. I see this technology as more of an upgrade path for those who can't justify spending another 2k+ when it's graphics become dated. It allows you to keeps your current machine for much longer. Whether you hook it up to a monitor or not; you are still seeing improvement.
Yeah I agree
Old comment but this is exactly why I got a Core X. Laptops last a long time except for the GPUs becoming quite quickly outdated, TB3 egpu is a compromise but throwing a 30 or 40 series card into the eGPU enclosure pretty much negates this.
@@lemagreengreen
It's exactly what I'm doing too.
I've had gaming laptops for years now. I tend to be buying the XX60/70 at the £1000-£1200 mark.
This time I'm buying a £600 laptop, £300 GPU and £300 dock. So for the first one, it's about the same cost. However, if in two years I need more CPU performance, I can just upgrade the £600 laptop. If in 4 years, the GPU needs upgrading I can just buy a more powerful GPU.
The eGPU setup will give me enough gaming performance, but with the ability to trade out one of the components. This also makes it cheaper to repair. If your gaming laptop's GPU goes bust, then the whole system baasically needs replacing, rather than jsut the GPU.
Did you just say it has RGB lighting for additional FPS? LOL
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where? I can't find it
Edit: 7:48 I found it
Like stickers on the car adds hp... 😉
yeah because it is for gamers dude :)
@tom lewis R/IhaveReddit
Great review! Although im a little distracted by every sentence ending with a lower pitch haha
Thanks, me too.
i read this before the vid started now im just annoyed cause I cant not notice it
Oh man thats annoying
What
@@ex2c8 The hell do you mean what? Read the comment again lol sound it out.
One thing you may not be considering is workplace applications. Some people can do 90% of their work without a graphics card but need one 10% of the time. In a team setting, you can invest in a single eGPU that can be shared among team members instead of paying to upgrade everyone's GPU for work they do 10% of the time.
But only one person can use it at a time so if they all need access to it they're going to have to wait and take turns which isn't that efficient. I guess it depends on the project/work they do but if they're a small company I guess it can be an option.
Still waiting for the M15 R2 review before deciding to buy tbh because your videos are the only thing I can trust and that are in-depth. Don't want to push you though as you are uploading almost everyday.
Keep up the good work Jarrod!
Cheers, still waiting for them to send it over, unfortunately there's no ETA on it at the moment 😢
Jarrod'sTech Its cool man, just know there are many people like me that trust and watch your reviews. Cheers!
the m15r2 is overpriced, runs hot, soldered ram.
@@thenatous_ everything runs hot nowadays, soldered ram is a big no no but if they supply 32gb option I don't see the problem part form them making probably another 100 pounds of u on that model. I've searched a lot of gaming laptops and alienware is the only one that I've seen hit clock speed without any throttling. Razer maybe aswell but their customer service scares me. Aero having the ports on the side is a killer for me, must be from the back. I have had thick clevo gaming laptop I don't mind it being that thick or heavy but since I'm looking for a new laptop I'm gonna try get the lighter models.
Thermals are similar to m15 R1, has an inverted mobo & soldered RAM, so not a good choice IMO. New Aero 15 would be a better choice or just get an older m15. Both have one of the worst thermals, Jarrod's old video is still true, only diff I observed with my RTX m15 is that it more aggressively power throttles while gaming but temps will still be 90C+ with 2.6GHz or so clock speeds. You can definitely improve it a lot with UV, boost freq limit & cooling pad but many other laptops hit higher freq for same temps after doing all those. Even new Omen 15t seems better than the older one, Ownordisown did a review.
With the lows being so close together between the laptop screen with the core x and the external screen with the core x, i think it’s safe to say that you don’t “need” and external monitor, especially if you have a laptop with a 144 refresh rate (i understand not all of you do) but even at 60-70 fps your laptop screen should be fine.
Well TBH I am not that interested in external GPU , but your quality of the video was great
Thanks!
CRISS CROSS what does TBH mean? Please tell me, would be big help
@@obnoxious2122 TBH means to be honest, u know u can Google these questions and u will find your answer
Dr. Winner I have, they show variations not just to be honest
@@obnoxious2122 Well, it's most commonly used as an abbreviation for 'to be honest'
I think for this to be practical to the average gamer a few things need to happen..
1.) The enclosure has to be less $$
2.) Thunderbolt 3 being as common as USB
3.) Change in technology to reduce performance loss/bottlenecking
4.) More portable enclosures
As it is now, it's nice for a small percentage of gamers but just seems really impractical for most.
Plus gaming laptops can be pretty light/powerful and desktops can be built in extremely small form factors in 2019.
Thanks for the video Jarrod as always!
Cheers! I expect Thunderbolt will be more common going forward, I think they made it an open standard, but more bandwidth (I guess Thunderbolt 4?) would make it more useful.
1 - The enclosure costs money, but it shaves it off the cost of the computer.
2 - Thunderbolt 4 and USB4 are commonplace now.
3 - TB3 and TB4 are basically the same. What we need is TB5, which is coming out this year, so expect it to be in laptops next year / next couple of years.
4 - Enclosure is fine. It's for docking a GPU. So must be of a certain size.
@@Patrick-y4d1z 4 years later you replied to this? lol
"Its even got RGB for additional fps"
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I guarantee someone will miss the joke and complain thinking I'm serious, it happens every time 😅
Yes please: a detailed comparison of eGPU vs PC performance, especially at 4K ! Ideally if you can: laptop+eGPU vs PC+GPU vs PC+eGPU. The later, even if nobody would use it in practice is useful to understand possible bottlenecks
Yep, see pinned comment.
Todays my birthday and Im happy to be greeted by a new video by my favorite youtuber :)
Happy birthday! 🎂
Sep 16 is my birthday, is yours the same day? Man that would be cool. Happy birthday btw man
1 year later.. It's my birth of the day!
@@ahlixemus8903 happy birthday
@@prism2 lol you responded. Thanks!
For those saying there is no market for these: go buy a gaming PC.... I already have a gaming PC. Due to the pandemic I gave my Thinkpad docking station to my son to use with his Chromebook. I have to replace by Thinkpad docking station. When you look at the price of a TB3 docking station, the prices start around $270. I picked up a Chroma X Core for around $350 and I have a docking station and ability for my son to play a few games off of my work laptop while I play on my gaming rig.
im surprised that there are no haters in the top comments spamming about how razer's trash. it really shows that the internet has grown-
*goes to the rest of youtube, changes mind.*
haha, they're there, they just aren't top comments.
For when you want to mine bitcoins at Starbucks.
Love it 😂
So is this like a portable pc enhancer?
I honestly think if your going to buy one of these just get a laptop with better specs and you won't need a big bohemeth sitting next to you
Depends, as mentioned it has it's uses, however niche.
I mean if u get something like a razer stealth with decent specs and good battery life and it’s lightweight and thin. So when u get home u can use this if u want to game
@@JarrodsTech yeah I guess if you have a older laptop
Which would weigh a lot more and have much worse battery life - no thanks.
I prefer having a light laptop with good battery life that can then plug into one of these at my desk. Best of both worlds.
Thing about gaming on a stealth via an eGPU is you're still limited to 60hz screen despite all the money you've spent.
if RGB increase your FPS 7:46
then a gaming chair overclock your CPU + 5 ghz
If the gaming chair has RGB then it's +10GHz.
The only use case I can envision for this setup is for when you are vehemently refusing to have a setup consisting of an ultrabook and desktop gaming system. The cost of the Razer laptop (of which are insanely overpriced here in Oz) and the cost of the eGPU enclosure and then a hefty GPU just screams pointlessness. For that money you could build a bloody good desktop gaming rig and buy a decent ultrabook. And with modern cloud-based "handover" software integration, you can pretty much switch from one device to the other and continue where you left off on that document or project you were working on. I just simply cannot see a business case for having developed this product. Hmm, maybe that's why the Razer laptops are so expensive?
Another great video, Jarrod. Cheers mate!
Thanks! Yeah it's definitely on the more niche side.
Naga Lives Matter yea I may get a setup like this soon for college. I have a very good desktop but unfortunately it may be tough to bring that to college as I’m not sure of dorm situations.
TB3 gets way more bottlenecked at lower resolution like 1080p. Please do an analysis with a 1070/1080 comparing 1080p and 1440p in a TB3 enclosure. If possible medium settings would be appreciated as the type of person to buy a TB3 will most likely not game in max settings. Awesome vid
I will.
The reasons I'm considering buying it:
1) I have absolutely no space on my desk to put a screen keyboard and mouse etc.
2) I don't have the money to build a decent gaming PC without selling my laptop, but I cant sell it cuz I take it to uni.
3) My 2018 dell g7 laptop overheats like a mad one while using the dedicated gpu, it Also has a Thunderbolt 3.
4) I plan on getting a ultrabook in the future, but also wanna game on it.
Is the graphics card sold separately?
One of the reasons I watch your videos is because I like mimicking accents and I am not so good with Australian accent, u talk clearly and you r a tech TH-camr so I can do two things at a time, watch tech videos and learn Australian accent 😁
Haha, I could talk much more Australian if you want 😅
@@JarrodsTech Sure, thanks lol
is this a good option if you don't want a dual streaming set up ?
Yeah it really depends how badly you want just one machine/setup, so smaller laptop for portability that you just connect with one cable to dock at home, costs more vs a well specced gaming laptop and mid range PC.
@@JarrodsTech thank you so very much for the response, I just needed to know if it would work with my laptop... I have a Razer Blade Studio 15 with a RTX Quadro 5000 and wanted to get an eGPU to be able to stream and encode with the iGPU on the laptop , So basically I would be encoding with the iGPU and playing the game on the eGPU. Is that possible ?
RGB lighting for additional fps :) lol
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LMAO
Any updates to date on this topic?
Namely, how the price tag ( I can for instance get a used core x for €150) and adding a rtx 3070 to it would probobly make sense, right?
Particularly in my case using a msi gs73vr 7rg stealth pro with the gtx 1070MaxQ. I should about double my performance, I am guessing. Or at least be able to get 100 frames or so on a 42/43" monitor at 4k. That´s the main reason I want to upgrade with an eGPU by the way, I am overall still happy with my 4,5 years old stealth pro.
thunderbolt 3 cable only runs at 40gb/s and will bottleneck a high end GPU like a 3070 pretty severely
The performance bottleneck at 1080p is _horrendous_ over thunderbolt. If you're going to spend $400 on an eGPU plus the $1000+ dollars for a 2080ti, you _better_ be getting 200-250+ FPS in games like Fortnite for Christ's sake. Razer has got some balls charging this much for something akin to a PCI riser board in a plastic and aluminum case with some RGB LEDs and a built-in USB hub (plus the gigabit ethernet connection, but gigabit ethernet is so ubiquitous and cheap it doesn't add more than $5 of value to this product in my opinion).
I guess could get more out of the GPU using higher resolution
Waiting for that detailed review comparing diff GPUs in eGPU enclosures with gaming laptops & against a desktop.
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Are some M.2 Adapter eGPUs faster than Thunderbolt sometime ?
That TB3 connection is a HUGE bottleneck for a 2080 Ti unless you plan on playing at 1800p-2160p. I feel like the TB connection in that Stealth 13” is a X2 PCIe connection with that level of performance.
I would definitely like to see a test with the Alienware Graphics Amplifier 2080 Ti setup, assuming you get any Alienware laptops to test with soon.
I've compared the alienware graphics amplifier with thunderbolt 3 here: th-cam.com/video/_8hG3C20uxQ/w-d-xo.html
The Razer Blade Stealth has 4 PCIe lanes with Thunderbolt.
For someone like me who have a Dell Latitude 7200 2-in-1 tablet and always bring it everywhere, this Razer eGPU enclosure is definitely a perfect home companion.
Yeah fair enough
thanks for the thorough review! I bought this enclosure and waiting for delivery. I also bought an XFX 6800 XT card, but turns out that it's 1 cm longer than what this Razer enclosure can handle, do you think if I leave the tray 1 cm open, will there be an issue? Or it won't work, nor the rgb lights? Thanks!
RGB lighting is good for another 15fps if you run 1 color setting !
I suppose ton of people use laptops because they lack the space to have a desktop, and not because of portability. In East Europe for example, the flats typically average 45-65 sq meters. Toss in a wife and kids, and a desktop is pretty much out of the question unless you want to continually repair things that get kicked around or displays that get knocked over. In this scenario an external GPU would make sense as you could get an older enclosure and maybe a 1070 or 1080 used at a decent price. New laptops in moscow for example, can cost you well over $1800 for a bottom of the line gaming, unless you can find some close out models.
I would love to have a desktop, but no space to put it. We knocked the balcony windows and door out, put a marble top on the remaining part. Sort of like a mini-bar. That's where the Dell G7 17 resides.
Yeah some people have mentioned they have the same limitations at school, low space.
@@JarrodsTech Exactly. I have a laptop not for portability, but because I have limited space. Pretty much how it is in East Europe. I run an RTX 2060, so I really don't have the need to upgrade to something more powerful. But hey, love your channel!
Cool, looking forward to more egpu vs built in
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Wow so glad I found this video... you have the exact same laptop I have! Planning on getting the core but would really appreciate some advice on which card to get. Hoping for something cheaper than 2080 but still have good performance. What would you recommend? 2060?
2060 would still be a huge step up over the MX or no GPU inside the blade, just keep in mind the lower CPU and thunderbolt will knock it back a tier or two, so might end up doing closer to a laptop 1660 Ti / Max-Q.
you do have to buy your own graphics card to install it into this right?
Will this also make the computer faster ?
Hi jarrod, did you try to use it on new laptops?
This might be a dumb question since this is an old video, but did you actually get around to making a video testing the performance of GPUs in an eGPU like this versus the same GPU in a desktop? I ask because I've recently ordered a Blade 15 Base since the price was dropped to shift old stock before the 10th gen ones come in and had in mind to use of these down the line to up the graphical horsepower if/when I needed to; and it's been hard to find concrete metrics on that comparison.
Of course the same card will have better performance in a desktop than in a eGPU.
Do you need to have a Razer laptop to use the core X chroma GPU, or can i have a MSI laptop and place the usb in?
Great review. I also reached a similar conclusion and just built a decent 2080Ti gaming desktop rather than adding an eGPU to my Blade 15 with 2070MQ which probably wouldn’t have been able to perform to the potential of the 2080Ti.
Nice!
Seems like the Razer Blade Stealth + 2080 ti eGPU to external monitor setup is approximately equal to a 15 inch gaming laptop with an RTX 2060 Max-P. A laptop with an RTX 2080 Max-Q would run about 30 FPS on average higher then the Razer Blade/eGPU/external monitor setup all else being equal.
Yeah, last year I found the 1080 in an eGPU enclosure similar to a 1060 Max-Q.
And with price of all setup (except laptop) would cost more than a gaming laptop with a great gpu like 2060 or even 2080, so I guess it's a bad idea to use egpu
@@JarrodsTech I be curious to see how the new Razer Blade Stealth with the 10th generation Intel Ice lake processor does with the same 2080 ti eGPU setup given it would potentially present a slightly less restrictive CPU bottleneck. It would also be interesting to compare those benchmarks to those of the new Stealth's internal GTX 1650 GPU. If there is comparable performance between the two that might completely eliminate the benefits of getting an eGPU for that particular laptop.
hello did the razer core x came pre built or did you built it before the video
and is it suitable to be a pc
Would the standard Razer Core X with its 650 Watts power output be able to handle something, like a RTX 3090 recommended 750 watts of power? If so, what would the be negative effect of having a power supply unit lesser than recommended for the specific GPU?
The recommended PSU is for the whole PC, not the GPU. A 4090 would be fine on a 650W.
this is the true testing channel what i willing to see , nice explanation with solid benchmark result support .
Thank you very much!
Thanks for amazing video. Do you maybe know if "4070 Super" can fit in Chroma x case?
Thank you and cheers :D
nowadays easier to buy laptop with latest GPU
does the product come with a graphics card, or do you need to install your own?
Install your own
How does this eGPU (w/ RTX 2080TI) work on a laptop connected to a 4K external monitor?
plug it into thunderbolt and play i would think
400$ chroma +1200$ 2080ti
To get an rtx 2060 desktop performence
Just buy a desktop with peripherals and screen for under 1600$
Depends if you need the portability or not and want one system.
So you can connect this to an All-in-One computer?
Would an egpu setup help with premiere pro without the eternal monitor? Timeline performance is mainly what I'm interested in. Great video as always!
To be honest I am not sure as I haven't tried it, from what I'm aware of the GPU is mostly engaged during the export phase rather than during the actual editing process, however I plan on testing this in future.
Which is thermally better with i7 9750h and gtx 1660 ti : msi gs75 or the aero 17? Grateful 💙
Aero, much better
The Aero I think, but I've tested both on the channel.
I would be better off buying a pc😅....Btw Amazing review....But there is some bandwidth issues with eGPUs right?
Fair enough, thanks! Yeah there definitely are.
I prefer a laptop and a desktop
Fair enough, me too!
hi jarrod, was watching your reviews, but u should put in how much fps run the games in other qualities, or using a 1050/1060 i think is more abbordable
Using a 1050 is absolutely pointless with an eGPU enclosure, it would probably perform worse than a 1030, plus every single graphics card would double testing time and this already took long enough to do. I will do something in future where I test 10+ GPUs, but I definitely can't do different graphics every video. This is such an expensive and niche solution that it makes sense to show the best case scenario.
6:04 total flex
Me over here with my one laptop from 2016-17 😭
can you hook this up to a desktop for extra performance
No.
Why would you? You could just swap out its current gpu
You guys are so rude. Thank you for this review Jarrod
I have to use my work laptop for portability but it has a bitchin processor just poor graphics. I have 5 other family members with a similar situation, and we share a common desk at home. Instead of having one pc, we can have this setup with the thunderbolt cable so we easily just plug in our own laptop and then have a high performance machine while keeping everything both individual and private with our own computers. It is a niche product but it fits my situation perfectly since we will get much more bang for the buck by already having laptops with good processors
Wouldn't you consider using eGPU solely because it can increase the lifespan of your (gaming) laptop further? I mean, there are people using 3rd gen i7 with some modern games, just updating the gpu. Let's say I buy a 9th gen intel cpu laptop with TB3, it would last at least 4-5 years if I update just my eGPU from, let's say, 2 to 2 years.
What do you think? Am I wrong here?
Sure, but in many cases the money for a GPU+enclosure could also buy you a new laptop.
Don’t the USB ports take away from the already limited bandwidth?
Yes, if you're using them at the same time.
So it come with all Thai when you buy it or do you need to buy certain components?
Can it work with other laptops? (other than razer laptops?)
Edit : Congrats for 100k subs, Jarod :)
woofer Yes any laptops with thunderbolt 3
Thanks! Yep that's right, any TB3 laptop should be fine.
Just curious, would this work with another gaming laptop from another brand, or does it only work with Razer laptops?
If your laptop has thunderbolt support should be ok
What after 3 years in the long run can pay off?. When games gets newer and laptop hardware gets outdated. Is it better to buy just a new gaming laptop. Or keep your current laptop and buy a EGPU enclousure with a current timeline desktop GPU. Which one has its pros and cons at that time. I am asking for your people opinion
Is it worth buying? Would it make your laptop not heat up?
Is this compatible with any modern laptops or it's only for Razer?
This is what I've wanted. Thanks Jarrod!
No problem!
im imagining if i was at school on a Design Class seeing my friend taking out his laptop with a mobile i3 8th gen doing the class tasks, then when the teacher said we can chill he pulling out of a bag (looking like a sports bag) This Razer Core X with his 1070 !
lol
Did that comparison mentioned at the end ever end up happening?
Hey, finally a relief to find this video. I have AW51MD503AU - Alienware Area 51m R2. Right now, I have 2080 super; it has been a year since I got it. I am planning on getting a 38' Alienware monitor AW3821WD. For better gaming performance in 3840 x 1600 resolution, thinking about getting 3090. Will NVIDIA 3090 with RAZER CORE X CHROMA, EXTERNAL GRAPHICS ENCLOSURE do the job?
Should I get the Acer predator Helios 300, or the Asus ROG Strix hero III?
CC_1204 Helios 300
Helios.
Is there a specific reason why I should buy the Helios 300? The Strix Hero III looks to be a pretty good laptop, but I can't find any gaming benchmarks for it so I can't be certain.
Hey Jarrod, pumped about the next video you teased as it will prob answer this question, but I have a 1080 ti in an older build that I haven't used much since I got the new Aero 15, do you think I'd get any performance gain at all over the 2070 max q if I put the 1080 ti in an enclosure and ran it to an external monitor? I know egpu setups lose like 10-30% performance... Thank you for your highly detailed videos, love this channel!
Hmm yeah I think so, unfortunately I don't own a 1080 Ti so unfortunately I won't be able to test that out when I do the big eGPU test :( for reference when I used my 1080 in the past it was similar to the 1060 Max-Q in the Dell G5 I was testing with, so it's hard to say, it might end up being close, but I'd think the 1080 Ti would still have an edge, whether or not that makes it worth buying an enclosure for it is hard to say though.
@@JarrodsTech Thanks for the reply! Yeah it's a tough call, my 1080 ti build is pretty dated, win 7, 4790k (still a champ), and 16 gigs of pretty slow ddr 3 ram, so I'm prob already bottle knecking the gpu. My Aero has the 9th gen i7, win 10 pro and 32 gigs of 2667 ram and I'm dying to know if my Aero with egpu would be a slower, faster or equal performer. Guess I should just get an egpu enclosure and find out for myself, in the name of SCIENCE! Cheers
Hey can you do the new intel mag 15
It was a very thin laptop with crazy thermal
Also can you put a watercool card inside the core x by replace the fan behind every the gpu?
Unfortunately I cannot get it at the moment. They are based in the US and I'm in Australia, and return shipping costs a fair bit of money for me to borrow it. It will likely be available here rebranded by some other company I suspect, then it may be possible. Otherwise if Eluktronics are happy to cover the cost of sending it here I am more than happy to test it out on the channel.
I suppose that may be possible as long as it just has a 120mm rad 🤔
O cool man I was thinking about to buy a watercool card to inside my core x
there is a market however to have a usb/thunderbolt windows to go solution, an egpu with GPU, and move your os anywhere you want, backup the os hard drive, spin it up on any computer that can boot from usb/thunderbolt, for oomph, take ur egpu with you
Hmm doesn't seem like the best idea to use a single OS install and swap it between multiple machines if that's what you mean. Could be driver issues that cause performance loss.
He work on all laptops market or only Razer?
do you have to buy a seperate graphics card or does it come with it
I really like the looking of your laptop! What type of beast is it?
I used the Razer Blade Stealth 13 for this video
@@JarrodsTech Im thinking about to buy a laptop. Is this a good choose?
Imagine being able to afford both this, a 2080 RTX TI, and a Razer Blade. Sure there is cheaper soltions. But imagine being so rich, that it didnt matter.
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do you need to buy your own graphics card or does this come with a pre-installed one
You need to provide your own, you only get the enclosure.
I have an Intel NUC Skull Canyon (the NUC6i7KYK kit) with 32GB of RAM and enough amount of SSD space. I'm considering buying an external GPU enclosure together with an RTX 2070 Super or RTX 2080 Ti GPU in order to play Half-Life Alyx in VR. Do you think this setup could deliver good performance? As far as specs are concerned, I see that this setup does meet the recommended requirement for Half-Life Alyx. But I'm not sure whether I'm missing some important point there. Basically, I'm going in a rather unconventional way, i.e. eGPU -> Thunderbolt 3 -> Intel NUC -> VR headset.
Much appreciated to have your views please. Thanks.
Which PC laptops have Thunderbolt 3 ports? Mine has only 3.1 USB Gen 1 Type C
I'm thinking of doing this with my Intel 10th gen I7 Nuc. I'm fully aware of tb bottlenecking, I also definitely don't need or care about running this on 4K either. I've seen people saying 1080P increases bottlenecks though? How does this work and how much of an increase are we talking here? I would have thought it would decrease it I guess, but hey 🤷♂
How does it perform with Oculus Rift S? I may want to take it to a friend's house for some VR gaming.
Not sure sorry, I don't have any VR experience.
Will this work with Mac? Will those fancy lights work on a Mac?
It will, not sure about the lighting, it's controlled by software and it might be Windows only but I do not know.
Now on sale:
Buy this razor metal box with a 15$ pci-e adapter and a 30$ power supply in it for just under 500$
So, what's the difference between this one and the "base" Core X aside from RGB and couple of extra ports?
I'm not sure the extra dollars are justified.
Do they perform the same?
I've never tested the original so can't speak in terms of performance, though don't see any reason why it would make a difference. I cover the differences on screen in a table near the end of the video.
@@JarrodsTech Oops, I commented before watching the end of the video. I was thinking of getting a gpu enclosure for my XPS 13 since I have a GTX 1080 sitting on a shelf.
The extra ports would be nice (especially since the XPS 13 doesn't have usb A nor ethernet), but I heard using them while playing games would reduce performance.
Have you experienced anything like that?
5:59 Look ma, I wanna be TH-cams tech reviewer when I'm old.
RIP Jarrod
Don't do it, it's a trap.
Whats about HP Pavilion Gaming 17? I5-I7, 1660 ti, cheap, looks decent
Unfortunately HP don't send me review units and they cost too much in my country for me to buy just to review, sorry, hopefully it will be possible in future if they decide to get in contact.
That RAM specs was for real?
I'm still waiting for a cheap EGPU enclosure. For the price of this thing ($400), I can get a last gen i5 (6600k), a motherboard, and ram. At that point I just need an extra $50 for a PSU.
So for an extra $50 I can basically have a full desktop PC, I just need the GPU (which this thing also needs), and a monitor (which most of us already have).
There are definitely cheaper options out there, this one is on the more expensive side, that's for sure.
I bought an Zephyrus M15 From Asus, which comes with an RTX 2070 Max-Q design, it also have Thunderbolt 3. If I buy a eGPU and let's say I also buy an RTX 30, would I see an improvement In what I was capable of achieving? Or is it worth it at all?
Depending on what model RTX 30 series you could see anything from a slight improvement (3060) to a massive improvement (3090)
Noob here. I need to purchase additional graphics card for this to work?
My laptop has one built in
I've been interested in eGPUs for a while since everything is on one device, but you mentioned that there's another way that can give me similar results (I think you said NAS/NAZ). Could you tell me more about this?
I have a few NAS videos. It's essentially an external storage option. I'd suggest this video for more info:
th-cam.com/video/h97pIGoDF5o/w-d-xo.html
Wait so what happens if you already have a gpu in the laptop like an rtx 2060 or 2070 max-q and add an eGPU. Does it improve performance of the laptop a pretty good amount or just like a couple more frames(with a monitor)?
The laptop GPU isn't used and the eGPU is used instead.
Jarrod'sTech oh ok thanks for the reply.
Can the core x connect and work with an all in one pc
hey there jarrod. so far what is the best egpu enclosure you can recommend?
edit: that can fit rtx 2080ti for future use.. thanks in advance jarrod :)
I've only used about three, this one and the mantiz are similar, mantiz is cheaper and had more features, and I'm working on a video for a water cooled one now
@@JarrodsTech thanks jarrod. so hard to find a mantiz today haha..
did you try it with thunderbolt 4 ports?
We're essentially paying an extra hundred for a couple of IO ports and some RGB if you compare this to the original Core X.
Yep. Don't forget the bigger PSU.