Simon Jordan & Martin Keown CLASH Over Tuchel's Suitability For The England Job 😳🔥
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- Thomas Tuchel has been linked to the England job, currently being held by interim manager Lee Carsley. Simon Jordan, Jim White, Alex Crook and Martin Keown have their say!
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Tuchel has clashed with the people at the top because he has balls! England haven't had a manager with balls for decades and it's time they got one!
No he's clashed with people when things collapse when he gets found out
@@Shroft112You're in no position to have a choice
@anthonyashcroft1172 what you talking about? Chelsea went backwards when he left
They did have one - Sam Allardyce.
The guy who wouldn’t have lost either of those finals.
But he didn’t tick the all important box of “FA yes man” like Southgate and Roy & that takes precedent I’m afraid.
@@BigRon554He would’ve. Just another defensive merchant. Long ball expert 🤣
Tuchel handled the whole Chelsea ownership change pretty admirably I'd say. Say what you want about his style of football and how he rubs bosses up the wrong way. Frankly I don't care; he's tactically astute, good in knockout football, and probably the best chance we have of success from the managers available.
Martin is upset today because he left his Sun crossword on the train
hahaha that cracked me up
Is he that clever to do the Sun crossword 🤔 I don't believe it!!! 🤣🤣
Brilliant’
😂😂
Tuchel is a lot better than any other names mentioned so it’s a no brainer
Is he a national team coach? Or more a system coach??
Thomas Tuchel is a Hans Christian Andersen fairy tale.
I think Tuchel and his teams are very well set up for tournament knock out football
World class in comparison
Don't know why people keep going on about wanting an English manager...and mentioning Eddie Howe. Eddie Howe has won absolutely nothing in football management. Newcastle finished 7th last season and are 7th this season. No English manager has ever won the PL. The last English manager to win anything was Harry Redknapp's FA Cup win over 16 years ago! Tuchel is the favourite for the job and the overwhelming "available" candidate. Also, he wouldn't cost a penny in compensation. Here is a list of Tuchel's honours for those demanding an English manager:
1x World's Best Club Coach
1x Manager of the Year
1x UEFA Manager of the Year
1x Champions League winner
1x FIFA Club World Cup winner
1x German League Title
2x French League Titles
1x German cup winner
1x French cup winner
1x French league cup winner
2x French Super Cup winner
1x German cup runner-up
1x Champions League runner-up
1x German Bundesliga runner-up
1x English League Cup runner-up
1x Uefa Supercup winner
2x German Super Cup runner-up
2x English FA Cup runner-up
The FA is the real issue.
I like Jordan, but this is disgraceful. Tarnishing the reputation of an elite manager over alleged rumours about how he behaves which are not in the public domain and have not been proven. Time for Jordan to drop his agenda or come out with the specific facts of what Tuchel has done which is so bad…
This is all Simon does when he doesn't like someone,.all of a sudden any negative rumours is put forward as factual however when it's someone he is favourable for any rumours are just rumours and not included for his reasoning
@@fyarlynx sorry but are you guys seriously going to deny the rather blatant fact that TT has fallen out with every single club hes been at? Give you head a wobble
@okkewijntjes6640 No, BUT as Simon very regularly says when it SUITS him "we don't have any proof of knowing what's is actually going on behind the scenes" especially when his sweetheart Levy is mentioned and ALL of his short comings however as I said when it suits him he loves to take rumours as fact and present them as such, simple
@@okkewijntjes6640managers get sacked regularly even after winning things. This shouldn’t be used to tarnish someone’s character. And even if there are flaws in his character- who cares. The guy is a winner. Chelsea’s and PSG’s best managers in the past 5 years .
Simon is right
He took PSG to a CL final & won the CL with Chelsea, when neither club has come close over 10 years.
Southgate took England to 2 finals when they had not in 55 years 🤷♂️
@@docholiday-lm4vf didn’t win it though did he that’s the difference
@@docholiday-lm4vfimagine comparing getting to a final and winning a trophy
Tuchel is a great Manager. It would be amazing if he got the Job.
Tuchel is the best available candidate. Tuchel is great at tournament competitions - UCL final, UCL win, DFB-Pokal, FA Cup and League Cup finals, close UCL Semi defeats.
Tuchel cannot be compared to Eddie Howe. He’s in a different league to How.
Those players England have are ideal to Tuchel’s football. Howe will need to learn on the job rather than hit the ground running.
Nah, he's not very good!
Absolutely! Don't know why people keep going on about wanting an English manager...and mentioning Eddie Howe. Eddie Howe has won absolutely nothing in football management. Newcastle finished 7th last season and are 7th this season. Tuchel is the favourite for the job and the overwhelming "available" candidate. He also wouldn't cost a penny in compensation. Here is a list of Tuchel's honours for those demanding an English manager:
1x World's Best Club Coach
1x Manager of the Year
1x UEFA Manager of the Year
1x Champions League winner
1x FIFA Club World Cup winner
1x German League Title
2x French League Titles
1x German cup winner
1x French cup winner
1x French league cup winner
2x French Super Cup winner
1x German cup runner-up
1x Champions League runner-up
1x German Bundesliga runner-up
1x English League Cup runner-up
1x Uefa Supercup winner
2x German Super Cup runner-up
2x English FA Cup runner-up
No such thing as a tournament coach. This is a nonsense concept.
@@richardkirkham8064 go get Eddie Howe then! There’s a big reason why no English coach has won a major trophy in decades.
@@ststeve5212 because most English top clubs have foreign managers. They were brought over from Europe and poached from other top clubs when other countries were winning European trophies years ago. That’s watered down top clubs hiring British managers. The narrative that a British manager could not win trophies managing a top club to me is nonsense.
Simon bangs on to others "why mention it then" or "have the courage of your convictions" when they don't tell full details
Yet he has brought up a million times he knows real reason Tuchel sacked...but won't say why lol, typical tory
Guardiola won't ever manage Spain, he's a steadfast Catalan who only played for Spain to raise his profile as a player, he certainly doesn't need that as a coach .
Yes people don't understand this. It's why he was more credibly linked with Brazil in the past and never Spain.
He will manage Spain he doesn’t care what happens he’s a psycho and needs the challenge.
Totally agreed. And....he needs the best players to florish
@@jeannotschumacher1024doesn’t every manager
@@bobofett3966 no
Not the biggest fan of Tuchel but I can't follow the notion it was his fault for his PSG & Chelsea exits - I think other factors were at play there. He is still the only PSG manager to reach a Champions League final since they started being bank rolled by the Qataris and he won the Champions League with Chelsea
I agree with Simon on Brian Clough the man was a legend
Tuchel football isn’t expansive attacking free flowing football but it’s winning football, especially cup football. I say give him the job.
Tuchel has won things, so the FA definitely wont hire him 😂😂😂
SIUUU
Tuchel left Chelsea because the ideas coming from the board, namely Bohely and co, was absolutely rediculous. The guy had just turned round the season from Lampards mess, 10th to 4th and of course winning the champions league. So these Americans coming in thinking they know more about football than Tuchel. Clearly any manager worth his salt wouldn’t just sit mumb and not try to put his experience into the equation, particularly being a successful manager. Tuchel is a great tactician, but we’re wasting our time worrying about it because the nameless farts at the FA won’t go anywhere near someone who isn’t a yes man.
I would take Tuchel over Carsley any day.
Keown thinking Carsley’s gonna get the England job🤣🤣😂😂🤦♂️🤦♂️🙈🙈
Get him in if you want to progress ,let a manager who takes no shite do the job .
Just because Jordan found out from his mate bohely at Chelsea why Tuchel was really fired he has a dislike for him .
Wait for Pep’s Man City contract to expire and then make him an offer he can’t refuse. He knows the English game and he knows most of the players. Tuchel does also, but I don’t put him on the same level as Pep.
Paying compensation for Eddie Howe is completely different to paying Pep massive wages. One has achieved sod all and the other is possibly the best manager to ever be involved in the game 😂
Paying 50m for Howe would be ridiculous. He’s not an elite manager, a good manager yes. But then that’s exactly what The FA seems to always goes for. Safe and effin boring🤫
Simon has said several times his buddy told him a shocking thing about Tuchel and that’s why he was sacked. Even 3 days ago there was daily mail article quoting Simon about shocking reason. But he has never revealed it, but has no problem putting it out there over and over
Tuchel would be an amazing manager for England a real winner who lets the football do the talking biggest mistake in football was sacking tuchel all because he told our board to get away from the football side
its still NOT been explained why chelsea sacked him.
Something to do with another woman that Bohely didn't like one bit ...Jordan knows exactly why that's why he can't stand him
@@whodoyouratemore He's a football manager not a vicar 🤣
Tuchel has guts
Tuchel will be the best the FA could potentially hire. No one else of proven merit will be interested. Pep no chance - please. Get real.
England might actually win something finally if they do appoint Tuchel. He worked miricles to win Chelsea the Champions league with averge team. Carsley is a good guy but no thanks
He's won trophies so thats doesn't make him a bad manager, typical pundits just want a English who wins absolute feck all
Why can’t I listen back to today’s show on the app?
I work so I catch up when I get home.
Jordan is a clown and a mass of contradictions. He talks about winners but doesn't like people who challenge authority. Tuchel is a winner and that is what England need. If he ruffles feathers at the FA who cares? He beat Pep three times when he was at Chelsea, including a UCL final. He would be a better bet than Pep in a high-pressure cup competition. Pep often panics and makes strange tactical decisions, like leaving out Rodri in a UCL final.
You want a top manager, Eddie Howe is the only English top manager ..... FA won't pay his release, and he probably won't want to leave . ......... so if you want a top manager he must be foreign. 🦄
Cant wait for tuchel to get the job and the english media and fans to get alp hyped for nothing again. 🤣
Its the players that are the problem NOT the managers. 60 years and no success, when will the penny drop?
It's both tbh. I didn't like Southgate(way too defensive and made last minute changes in big games) but he did get us to two finals and a semi final in 8 years, we have the best players out of any other country tbh but they just don't perform to their level imo, they play very differently compared to how they play for their club teams. We play good when we actually attack which is hardly ever, we play awful when we play defensive which is 90% of the time. Let's be honest thought England will never win a major tournament ever, not in my lifetime anyway and I'm only 22.
what you waffling about? apparently its the same players 10-20 years ago. Last time i checked bellingham, saka, palmer aren't 40 year olds
@tw how on earth do you have the best players 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
England do not have one player i. Midfield who dictates the tempo of a game.
Odegard and Jorginho do that for rice
Kroos and modric did that for bellingham
Kdb and rodi do it for foden
Alonso did it for gerrard
Ballack did it for lampard
And so on.
England do have some world class players but mainly direct big athletic players. They never ever produce intelligent midfielders like
Pirlo
Xvai
Alonso
Rodri
Modric
Etc
Simply NOT good enough and give the ball away so easy.
Spain lost rodri to injury in the final and they still dominated the ball
@@docholiday-lm4vf on paper we have one of the best international sides in Europe you plank. Our top players all play for top premier league sides who have won the premier league atleast once. Are you saying German or French or Belgium players are worth more or play better clubs than England players?
@tw you are the plank making excuses you plank. “On paper” 🤣🤣🤣
Not sure if you know this, but football is not played on paper pal 🤣🤣
And you never understood my point, SHOCK!!! Your are probably as stupid as the style of football england play.
So what if your top players all play for premier league teams. Those players are surrounded by top European and South Americans you plank!!!! Hence why they win at club level.
Even pep said english players struggle to play with there backs to goal and you know why he said that. I bet you dont……
Because they are not intelligent enough players!!!! Its been the same for the 39 years ive watched England at tournaments.
“On paper” 🤣🤣🤦♂️🤦♂️ english fans being say that for 60 years. Such a nonsense statement.
You mentioned germany there. You do know they have won 4 world cups and 3 European championships, right??! And that’s because they have intelligent technical players who can play as a team over the years.
England are so bad to watch and have been from the 70s.
Not sure if you have seen academies in England. They are full of the biggest fastest kids in England, they dont pick small technical players. Alex Ferguson also highlighted that!!
Wake up you PLANK
Tuchel could go to United and England could take Ten Haag 😂😂😂
get rid of a few prima donnas dave basset could manage england.
I wish Simon would just get off yhe fence and tell us how he really feels about the FA.
Martin Keown as England manager. Make it so!
Chelsea would take him back???
Stop it Martin!
🥱 Ra'l Ra'l , Have a sit down mate . That anti English chip on your shoulder must be tiring you out ! 😂😂
I bet he lives in England too. He should be deported.
Hahah that’s no Alex Crook wanting Eddie Howe out of the toon again 😂😮
Saudi toon green muzzer army
Crook absolutely steals a living
LISTEN TO SIMON, he has the balls to say it how it is!!!!!
Yeah except when it's about Spurs or Chelsea or any of his other little buddies in life, then he just feeds us a bunch of insulting slop. Fake idol. He's not a real truth speaker.
FA Don't wanna spend 5 Mill. Cmon have a day off.
The FA will hire Tuchel, make the semis of WC 2026, sack him for "unsolvable differences", pay huge compensation and then he would go and win big somewhere else.
I wish Martin would shut up and let Simon talk.
Simon talks more than enough already.
England only pay the coaching team and we are talking about pay-structure. What pay structure? The clubs pay entire squad and the coaching team. There is not money too big for Pep.
Scotland and Ireland would snatch your hand off if you offered them Tuchel, but why would he want to go to those clubs, i smell some jealousy already 😂
Venables was an awful England manager - didn’t perform as well as Southgate - and got booted out for bungs and financial irregularities…
What makes keown think Chelsea would take tuchel back?… chelsea are finally finding cohesion and playing well under maresca. I don’t think for 1 second they would even consider an application from tuchel….
England needs an English coach, anything else is mercenary
Boo hoo
Peps the man
poch got booted from psg and chelsea, was he a hand full?
Are you slow? It’s a well known fact that tuchel fell out with the ownership at Chelsea.
@@Ooth9999 so did poch, have you got Alzheimers are just stupid
Would you look at that! LMAO They've got the audacity and smugness to even debate and choose whom they like ..What world are we living in now?? Let me remind you, you've won nothing since 1966 ro. bbery
You are one of the most toxic TH-camrs on comments. Stick to Spain burro.
You have something seriously wrong with you. You come to watch English media where English people are discussing matters which concern their own sporting interests, and you complain about it. Why are you even here? English people are allowed to discuss matters regarding their national team in their own country, thank you very much. You seem completely obsessed. You are just bitter because you come from a third world country with no national team, so you decide to be a plastic fan for Spain, a country with just as many historical crimes as England, perhaps more actually, which is, I assume, the reason you hate England so much. So your rimming of Spain is completely contradictory and completely destroys your pseudo-morality.
😂yes hes exactly the way to go ..look at our history...its time to be bold and take the step to get a MAN in position to really try and get over the line and win a tournament
I like Tuchel but appoint him and you're asking for it. Hans-Joachim Watzke summed him up well; one of the best coaches ever but a difficult man.
I'm not saying if he's the right man or not but he had some very tough jobs at PSG and Chelsea and got 2 champions league finals. He handled the whole Abramovich leaving media storm himself with no help from the chairman.
Germany that's a much bigger (and richer) country has more pitches? Hudlihup, what a surprise!
Im a Chels fan, the brand of football is extremely defensive. Do i think he could win for us? Absolutely. I'm not sure we'd enjoy the ride however.
His style being defensive is the biggest myth ever, just because he plays with a back 5 doesnt mean its defensive
@@gudius I watched every game with tuchel as our manager, 90% were snooze fests. Yeah he plays a back 5 to have a fullback fly forward into the box. The 5 back wasn't my problem.
@@Th3King0fHearts He won the champions league for you, you un grateful pr icks
that's complete rubbish, his style isn't defensive at all
@@JamesDelaney-k5d It is. 100% it is.
I'd take Tuchel all day long. We need someone to ruffle a few feathers and who has his own mind as opposed to a yes man
England needs a coach who will bench the big name Club Bums who never show up for the National Team.
Such as?
@@Ooth9999 Kane, Saka, Foden y la tuya.
@@Eagle971 Kane is literally englands highest ever scorer how has he not shown up?
@@Ooth9999 Regular season Hero, but a tournament time Zero.
@@Eagle971 he was the top goalscorer in the 2018 World Cup and joint top at euro 2024. He was the second highest goalscorer at euro 2020. Seriously man get a grip.
Tuchel is the man for the job if they want a vacant manager. But gotta go for Eddie Howe, pay Newcastle the money and get the guy
Tuchel is vacant? You mean he is empty inside?
,"best in class" that phrase is used on talkspoct a million times a day.
Tuchel is mr negative go for mourinho or go for lampard and terry ya need both together
Defo would have him instead of carlsey
Tuchel is probably the best of a bad lot. As Tuchel was earning £10m per year so won’t come cheap, surely the FA can find a bit more money to secure the best? i.e. Pep Guardiola. If not, Eddie Howe would be my choice
Pretty embarrassing state of affairs if you have to go outside of England to hire a manager. I’d rather have Lampard.
Loool no
Pretty embarrassing state of affairs to keep giving Lampard chances at the highest level despite him achieving nothing
@@Ooth9999 he has more experience than Southgate and was more successful. It was a facetious comment in any case. I would’ve preferred Howe or Potter personally. I think its a poor state of opportunity and candidates though. There’s definitely an English manager out there that should be given the opportunity before we ask abroad. It’s not a xenophobic statement either, more it means our coaching conveyer belt is either stuck or broken.
Does anyone know what the "eye-watering reasons" Simon keeps alluding to that Chelsea sacked Tuchel are? Just being rude to their American owners can't be it surely?
He was rumping brasses
@@Woods-w7t No evidence for that but why would the owners care about his private life?
@@ktkee7161 I know just what story is…
Alex Crook, Chief Football Correspondent.. what a joke🤣🤣more like Ginsters Head of Pie Tasting🤦♂️🤦♂️
Pep won't manage England. He's not good enough.
Pep is only good at winning when managing a team that already wins.
Just a 'No' on Tuchel. Would he even last long enough in the job to get to the World Cup? Pep is the best, but too expensive. Eddie Howe is by far the best choice, with the combination of a winning pedigree, football tactics that can win at the international level, and pay demands that are well within the FA's budget. And he is English.
Boo hoo
@@CTOTHER Well Tuchel is obviously excited to have the job, and I hope he brings home silverware!
Lee Carsley - a proud IRISH man!
He was born and raised in England. Just like Jack Charlton was.
Perfect match - then England fans can blame a German for losing yet again
Who do you blame for being so thick? Your mum, your dad, or your school teachers?
My Gosh... Tuchel is Vastly Overrated... He Won the Champions League which Frank Lampard had done the hard yards... No ways is Tuchel the right man for England
Get Steve Clarke in. we would be unbeatable .World champions,euros champions, Nations league champions we'd win the lot with Steve.Get him in now pay the 20 million compo .Happy days ahead.
Make a good offer to Klopp 🤷♂️
He already ruled himself out of the job months ago and he's just taken up a new job as head of football for the RB franchise. Why waste your time writing such nonsense.
Go leftfield...Bielsa for England manager...! 👍🙏👌
He can't even speak English, ffs. what a disaster that would be. NO!!
England won’t win WC26. That’s Guaranteed. Our players aren’t good enough
Why is everyone talking like Emgland will qualify for the world cup in the U.S. There is no guarantee.
True, Emgland probably won't qualify, since there is no such nation. England will obviously qualify though.
Tuchel won the Champions League at Chelsea with a team past its best and on a downward spiral, so why not success with England ?
A team past its best? That team was made up of majority young players. James, mount, christensen, chilwell were all in their prime. Both Rudiger and havertz have improved since leaving Chelsea. Kante and azpi weren’t young, but played most games that season and were very good still. I do agree that some of the players in that team have since fallen off, mount and Werner for example, but at the time that team was considered very high potential and a project for the future, hardly a team ‘past its best’
Chelsea wouldn’t take him back right now Martin.
I think Rooney should be given the job 🤖🥸😜
Eerm eeerm lads played well eeeerm…. Bbb bbb but he is doing well at Plymouth…😂 yeah… some idiots even suggested that he could be manutd new head coach😂
@@pavolkrajcovic745 How about giving Steve McClaren a second chance 😁
Eddie Howe is not top manger hasn't got it in him you can see that
I wouldnt let Tuchel run a bath......
Bizarre comment
Tactically Tuchel is top notch. However, he is a maverick which really doesn't fit with the England project thats been going on. He didn't want to spend time focusing on developing young players at Chelsea. His talent ID there showed to be weak as he pushed several viable striker options out the door to end up with Havertz who had around a goal every 4.5 games and a past his prime speed merchant in Aubameyang.
He also doesn't just have a track record of falling out with club owners. He has fallen out with quite a lot of forwards. Nkunku said he left PSG because he didn't want to work with Tuchel. Werner left Chelsea because he didn't like how Tuchel handled him and it wore down his confidence. Lukaku and Tuchel fell out after just a matter of months. Lukaku was meant to be his statement signing after he froze out Tammy Abraham and sold Giroud as well. Ziyech and Pulisic also were very unhappy under Tuchel. Last season Musiala reportedly wanted to leave Bayern out of nowhere and now he seems fine again. So I don't think it's a stretch to say that if you want a manager who will do will with Englands attacking talent then Tuchel isn't it.
The best fit for the job is Graham Potter. He will continue to support the positive psychology driven focus on team culture. He will implement an attacking football philosophy that fits the players England currently have. He is definitely much stronger tactically speaking than Southgate was too.
Look up the word underwhelming and there's a picture of Graham Potter. He struggled with the Chelsea job, what makes you think he'd cope with England? He's also dull with the media. I agree Tuchel doesn't seem a good fit, I'm just curious why he'd want it because it's a part time job and he's said what he loves is day to day coaching. He'd be bored and hate the media scrutiny I reckon.
@@ktkee7161 The Chelsea job was under absolutely impossible conditions caused by the most aggressive transition strategy any club has ever undertaken after a forced ownership change. He was given no preseason and the club had 10-15 injuries almost every matchweek. The recruitment was all over the place and the squad was horrifically imbalanced. He never once had a chance to actually put out an optimal team as opposed to just whatever was available which meant absolutely zero tactical flexibility. Do not judge Potters coaching ability on a total shitshow that was created entirely by the new ownership.
I ain’t reading all that but Potter shouldn’t be mentioned in the same breath as Tuchel. Also, who cares if he’s a maverick. He’s a serial winner. Nothing else has worked, he’s exactly what we need.
Where is all this faith in Eddie Howe coming from?
because hes british they think he's good. he's a good coach. end of story. England need more than that. Still not going to win anything but yeah
@@okkewijntjes6640 Mind your own business and worry about your own country. English people don't come commenting about your national team appointments.
Jordan is a helmet though 😂
Tuchel isn't good enough.
He FAILED to win the Bundesliga with Bayern!
Why is no one mentioning that????
That's right. But to be fair, it has to be said that it happens maybe every 20, 25 or even more years that a team has a season of the century like Leverkusen did last season... Any other coach would probably have failed...
And? He still has a very good win rate and often gets to finals in tournaments. One bad season doesn’t define him. Do some more research
We can not get this muppet in charge , he has had some of the best players in the world under him and done nowt
he won the champions league you melt 🤣
@chrishardy3473 is still not good enough, so did di-matteo, and where is he now
@@chrisharrison5038 not good enough according to you? some random melon on youtube 🤣🤣
Zero ball knowledge. Go and watch something else mate, utterly embarrassing comment
@CTOTHER have you actually watched his teams play ? There's no ball knowledge their , he had a team full of stars at psg and still couldn't win anything outside France, and if you come back and say he won the uefa, (make money league) champions league so did Roberto de- matteo and where's he now , you're the one embarrassing yourself old bean
Sven... Capello... only an English man should manage England.
RULE BRITANNIA. In all seriousness stfu
I don't know how a I feel about a German lifting the world with England :S
Who gives a F
Bro is still living in 1942
glenn hoddle is the only top grade manager england ever had including sir alf
Errr look at what EL TEL brought to us and what he did at spurs and Barca.
Not venabales interesting ?
@@alanpage3973 exactly. Guy has no clue. El Tel won loads more than Glenn as a manager
Martins such a lolly pop it’s unreal
He gets under Jordans skin though. Makes him a g to me. They do amuse. When they speak, the other doesn't' even hide their disdain. And if anyone needs to stop looking down on everyone, it's Simon.
You can’t have a German managing England
Why not? They've been the head of state for 200 years.
@@ktkee7161HAHAHA...FACTS!
Yes you can. In fact, it’s been announced now. Get off your high horse little man
Crook again, not a southgate fan but saying howe would have won one of them finals, would he have got then to the final, too many agendas he has to give a objective opinion, same wi ten hag , who I also not a fan of, even as a man u fan from Manchester....
Simon is a clown.
Keown ruins another show again.
Keep towing the party line yes men never win nothing go with thomas Rachel best man for the job
"thomas Rachel" What is that?
Martin Keown bit of a old xxxx