There's a german word for it but I've forgotten it; its the ability of the Master to remember what it feels like inside the beginners body. One of you best qualities is the preservation of this beginner-mind. Zuzuki would be proud! Fantastic content! Keep'em coming!
Thanks for these videos, really like all your content. Am still learning to hold a handstand, Wanted to share that kicking into a handstand was quite hard for me, and was scared of falling and getting injured, so I practiced the press to handstand, which was a lot more controlled entry into getting upside down. cheers.
One thing that seem to help a lot for me is transitioning to using parallel for handstand. It feel like the biggest limiting factor when it come to learning the handstand is time and so with the parallel, i can train almost an unlimited amount of time without hurting my wrist.
How about the frog/diamond position with the feet together? I haven't gotten to a proper handstand yet, but I feel that's the position I do best with, 2-3 seconds that is. Less center of mass and I know more where my feet are compared to the sidesplit.
I very rarely use the split handstand that you demonstrated, but always use the straddle handstand. I never fall from a straddle handstand. It's much easier
One difficulty I've found with the split handstand is I don't know how to fall out of it. With the straight handstand I can just rotate out but with the split I always seem to land on my elbow.
Interesting Skair, thanks for mentioning that! I know exactly what you're talking about, short answer is you need to do the same 'rotation' or as I call it, cartwheel bail (make sure you are moving the outside hand on the floor). I'm going to have an entire section on this in the new handstand course because falling/bailing is, as you know, incredibly important.
Yeah, I did also saw alot of instructional videos teaching to do the sraight handstand variant. But you made a good point. What do you think about the "banana handstand" though ?
hmm- as far as what? Banana can definitely be easier than a good straight handstand ( lower center of mass) but won't really compare to the split in terms of difficulty as COM is much lower in the split, plus you get much more capacity to rebalance with your legs in the split.
@@BrenTeachesMovement but doesn't the split handstand put you into anterior pelvic tilt whereas the goal is PPT? or it doesn't matter as this is just a way of assisting with learning the balance aspect of it? 🤔😁
PPT is not the goal for those of us who aren't getting judged/scored in gymnastics or circus- just adds a nice aesthetic. Doesn't actually contribute to the ability to balance at all (just like pointing the toes).
Can you give us any tips on how to develop such amazing forearms? Was it the handstand that helped you develop this? P.s. I'm really enjoying your videos, 30 yo martial artist here. Cheers
How do we know the optimal level of difficulty for learning? How do we know we should aim for a variation that allows for 30s holds instead of 10s? If 30s allows more time practicing, why not exclusively do holds of 60s in the headstand?
Excellent Question Bob! Most motor learning research has suggested around an 80% success rate is just about perfect for learning, although that doesn't really translate to time held. Also, given what we know about expectancies from OPTIMAL theory (intro to movement pt 3), confidence probably plays a huge role here. It depends usually on what type of skill we're working on, and the progressions we get to choose between, because as you remember from the Intro to movement series (pt 2) Specificity is super important, and the headstand and handstand are, if you haven't done them before, shockingly different. Totally different animals. So even 60 seconds in the headstand would probably be trumped by even 5 seconds in the handstand- though of course it's a huge oversimplification to even say something like that without talking about a specific person with given attributes.
@@BrenTeachesMovement Thanks for the answer Bren! It would be great if you could link some study (or even metastudy) about the 80% sweet spot. As you identified, the million dollar question is how this transfers in terms of time. For a given cumulative time in HS, it seems it's all a balancing act between increasing self efficacy (easy and long) and the attention/focus required (hard and short) for neuroplasticity to occur. Both these seem to mediate the attention pathway, so I hypothesize that the ideal time(a function of variation difficulty) would simply be whichever maximises focus over each set of the session. This could be individualized to the practitioner.
In terms of specificity, I believe the introduction of exercises similar to the straight body HS could accelerate its learning via the interleaving effect www.apa.org/monitor/julaug01/blindspot For example, there was one study where children threw beanbags to a target over a few weeks. Group A alternated throwing at 3 foot and 5 foot distances. Group B only threw at 4 feet. When testing a few weeks later, group A performed significantly better at 4 foot distances than group B! I'm using this concept in my own training, rotating the straight body HS (front facing wall), split legs HS (back to wall) and headstand. Let me know what you think.
Amazing ! I do find the split handstand much easier to maintain than the straight handstand. When teaching beginners, would you say there’s any advantage in taking a considerable amount of time on balancing on your hands without full inversion ? I heard a certain coach once say “don’t bother with the freestanding handstand until you can balance in a frog-stand position so you can condition your wrists and condition your sense of hand-balance without the interference of inversion”. It made sense when I heard it, but I learnt my handstand (in my 20’s) by simply kicking up (old school kids gymnastics style) and wall-handstand push-ups as a strength conditioning tool.
Thanks! Are you talking about coach Sommer? I actually spend most of my first year 'doing handstands' working on headstand & forearm stand variations + the chest to wall handstand. it was for the most part, a total waste of time- at least in the sense that I needed to master these headstand variations one at a time and the chest to wall handstand 3 inches from the wall before I could do any real freestanding handstand work- that first year I actually didn't make any real progress with my freestanding handstand. I sometimes have people work on headstand variations first, but usually I just do that with people that are afraid of being upside down and don't believe they can do it- the tripod is easy to learn, and provides these people quick feedback that they CAN actually balance upside down. If people are reasonably athletic coming in I usually have them start doing at least some freestanding work within the first month. Thanks for the great question! Ha! yes that really is old school- I can only imagine the work you had to put in to learn the handstand that way! Congrats!
Thanks a lot or your video! Very insightful. Question: Do I need to learn some "pre-requisite" balancing positions before learning the split handstand? Best of luck for the upcoming videos (if you plan to make more videos) :)
Thanks Salim! Good question. No, you don't need to learn any 'pre-req. balance positions. However- there is a certain prerequisite amount of strength (your arms should be in no danger of collapsing from supporting your weight). You'll also want to learn how to bail before you try this freestanding, I've also found a headstand drill that has been very helpful for students struggling with body awareness upside down. Maybe topics for future videos :)
Bren Veziroglu thanks a lot ! Yeah it’d be super cool if you could make a video for beginners to learn to balance in a handstand. Although I believe I have the arm strength to do a handstand, I struggle with shoulder flexibility and with how to “grab the ground” with my arms to balance.
Hi Bren, May I ask you why your pelvis seems to fall forward (like a mini arch) despite good shoulder alignment? I am asking you because I have the same problem. Is that because we use the weight of our hips to keep our shoulders open?
It's easier to balance on a hard surface as opposed to the mat flooring, lots of people use small handstand boards allows u to balance better but keep the soft flooring around u 👍
There's a german word for it but I've forgotten it; its the ability of the Master to remember what it feels like inside the beginners body. One of you best qualities is the preservation of this beginner-mind. Zuzuki would be proud! Fantastic content! Keep'em coming!
Hands down best handstand information on TH-cam!
Thanks Jack :)
A much more practical approach to handstands than what the normal gymnastics coach's bring to the table.
Thanks for these videos, really like all your content.
Am still learning to hold a handstand, Wanted to share that kicking into a handstand was quite hard for me, and was scared of falling and getting injured, so I practiced the press to handstand, which was a lot more controlled entry into getting upside down. cheers.
Good info, thanks.
Great for begginers. Thank you!!
Thank you!
Best handstand tutorial seen so far!
Thank you my friend, but this not a tutorial, just a tip. The handstand course I'm currently making will be 100x better than this :).
One thing that seem to help a lot for me is transitioning to using parallel for handstand. It feel like the biggest limiting factor when it come to learning the handstand is time and so with the parallel, i can train almost an unlimited amount of time without hurting my wrist.
I've been trying to do a straight hand stand right away, for the last year..and it's been frustrating. This is guna help a lot, thank you
This improved things immediately, thanks so much!
Thank you so much ! It’s more easy now
How about the frog/diamond position with the feet together? I haven't gotten to a proper handstand yet, but I feel that's the position I do best with, 2-3 seconds that is. Less center of mass and I know more where my feet are compared to the sidesplit.
Thank You For This
I love This Channel ❤
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this was incredible !
I very rarely use the split handstand that you demonstrated, but always use the straddle handstand. I never fall from a straddle handstand. It's much easier
One difficulty I've found with the split handstand is I don't know how to fall out of it. With the straight handstand I can just rotate out but with the split I always seem to land on my elbow.
Interesting Skair, thanks for mentioning that! I know exactly what you're talking about, short answer is you need to do the same 'rotation' or as I call it, cartwheel bail (make sure you are moving the outside hand on the floor). I'm going to have an entire section on this in the new handstand course because falling/bailing is, as you know, incredibly important.
Yeah, I did also saw alot of instructional videos teaching to do the sraight handstand variant. But you made a good point. What do you think about the "banana handstand" though ?
hmm- as far as what? Banana can definitely be easier than a good straight handstand ( lower center of mass) but won't really compare to the split in terms of difficulty as COM is much lower in the split, plus you get much more capacity to rebalance with your legs in the split.
@@BrenTeachesMovement but doesn't the split handstand put you into anterior pelvic tilt whereas the goal is PPT? or it doesn't matter as this is just a way of assisting with learning the balance aspect of it? 🤔😁
PPT is not the goal for those of us who aren't getting judged/scored in gymnastics or circus- just adds a nice aesthetic. Doesn't actually contribute to the ability to balance at all (just like pointing the toes).
Can you give us any tips on how to develop such amazing forearms? Was it the handstand that helped you develop this? P.s. I'm really enjoying your videos, 30 yo martial artist here. Cheers
How do we know the optimal level of difficulty for learning? How do we know we should aim for a variation that allows for 30s holds instead of 10s? If 30s allows more time practicing, why not exclusively do holds of 60s in the headstand?
Excellent Question Bob! Most motor learning research has suggested around an 80% success rate is just about perfect for learning, although that doesn't really translate to time held. Also, given what we know about expectancies from OPTIMAL theory (intro to movement pt 3), confidence probably plays a huge role here.
It depends usually on what type of skill we're working on, and the progressions we get to choose between, because as you remember from the Intro to movement series (pt 2) Specificity is super important, and the headstand and handstand are, if you haven't done them before, shockingly different. Totally different animals. So even 60 seconds in the headstand would probably be trumped by even 5 seconds in the handstand- though of course it's a huge oversimplification to even say something like that without talking about a specific person with given attributes.
@@BrenTeachesMovement Thanks for the answer Bren! It would be great if you could link some study (or even metastudy) about the 80% sweet spot. As you identified, the million dollar question is how this transfers in terms of time.
For a given cumulative time in HS, it seems it's all a balancing act between increasing self efficacy (easy and long) and the attention/focus required (hard and short) for neuroplasticity to occur.
Both these seem to mediate the attention pathway, so I hypothesize that the ideal time(a function of variation difficulty) would simply be whichever maximises focus over each set of the session. This could be individualized to the practitioner.
In terms of specificity, I believe the introduction of exercises similar to the straight body HS could accelerate its learning via the interleaving effect
www.apa.org/monitor/julaug01/blindspot
For example, there was one study where children threw beanbags to a target over a few weeks. Group A alternated throwing at 3 foot and 5 foot distances. Group B only threw at 4 feet. When testing a few weeks later, group A performed significantly better at 4 foot distances than group B!
I'm using this concept in my own training, rotating the straight body HS (front facing wall), split legs HS (back to wall) and headstand. Let me know what you think.
Bren!! That's 👌🏽
Amazing !
I do find the split handstand much easier to maintain than the straight handstand.
When teaching beginners, would you say there’s any advantage in taking a considerable amount of time on balancing on your hands without full inversion ?
I heard a certain coach once say “don’t bother with the freestanding handstand until you can balance in a frog-stand position so you can condition your wrists and condition your sense of hand-balance without the interference of inversion”.
It made sense when I heard it, but I learnt my handstand (in my 20’s) by simply kicking up (old school kids gymnastics style) and wall-handstand push-ups as a strength conditioning tool.
Thanks! Are you talking about coach Sommer? I actually spend most of my first year 'doing handstands' working on headstand & forearm stand variations + the chest to wall handstand. it was for the most part, a total waste of time- at least in the sense that I needed to master these headstand variations one at a time and the chest to wall handstand 3 inches from the wall before I could do any real freestanding handstand work- that first year I actually didn't make any real progress with my freestanding handstand.
I sometimes have people work on headstand variations first, but usually I just do that with people that are afraid of being upside down and don't believe they can do it- the tripod is easy to learn, and provides these people quick feedback that they CAN actually balance upside down. If people are reasonably athletic coming in I usually have them start doing at least some freestanding work within the first month. Thanks for the great question!
Ha! yes that really is old school- I can only imagine the work you had to put in to learn the handstand that way! Congrats!
That's super helpful! Thanks man
Bren this was so helpful. Thanks a bunch!
@bren a questions , what are the benefits of whips movement with arms, i saw ido and his team members practicing?
Thanks a lot or your video! Very insightful.
Question: Do I need to learn some "pre-requisite" balancing positions before learning the split handstand?
Best of luck for the upcoming videos (if you plan to make more videos) :)
Thanks Salim! Good question. No, you don't need to learn any 'pre-req. balance positions. However- there is a certain prerequisite amount of strength (your arms should be in no danger of collapsing from supporting your weight). You'll also want to learn how to bail before you try this freestanding, I've also found a headstand drill that has been very helpful for students struggling with body awareness upside down. Maybe topics for future videos :)
Bren Veziroglu thanks a lot ! Yeah it’d be super cool if you could make a video for beginners to learn to balance in a handstand. Although I believe I have the arm strength to do a handstand, I struggle with shoulder flexibility and with how to “grab the ground” with my arms to balance.
How do they teach you in the Ido's method?
Hi Bren, May I ask you why your pelvis seems to fall forward (like a mini arch) despite good shoulder alignment? I am asking you because I have the same problem. Is that because we use the weight of our hips to keep our shoulders open?
Yes, that's exactly it! :).
Bren Veziroglu do you have any suggestions to straighten it?
whats the cut out rectangle on the ground for, grip?
It's easier to balance on a hard surface as opposed to the mat flooring, lots of people use small handstand boards allows u to balance better but keep the soft flooring around u 👍
@@chrisplayz253 got it
That just worked lol fuck yes