A Brutally Honest Review of the Ido Portal Method
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ก.ย. 2024
- It's time to get real about the Ido Portal method. Brutally honest, zero BS, in true Ido style.
Ido Portal is easily one of the most brilliant teachers of his generation. He for practical intents and purposes, basically created, refined, and led a field, both to becoming widespread among many of the most dedicated practitioners of movement fields worldwide, and to have gone leaps and bounds beyond what other camps have done.
I’ve noticed over the many years that I’ve been studying with Ido, what you could call an ‘Ido Portal effect’. People who’ve even heard of Ido tend to be a cut above those who haven’t, in terms of skill in movement. People who have trained with Ido are still a cut higher, and people who have trained with Ido long term are a cut even above those- and each of these levels tends to be of a significant magnitude.
It’s hard to imagine one man doing a better job than Ido has done leading the field of movement in technical development.
However, his method has it’s flaws as well, and I believe it’s time to talk about them publicly, so that those of us who were operating under it’s paradigms can start to acknowledge, research, troubleshoot (as a community) these mistakes, and then move beyond them.
For one, Ido can be ruthless. Sure, the ‘cruel tutelage of Ido Portal’ is cool and all that, and it’s a strong force to push many forward, but it’s another thing when, for instance, the students at one of Ido’s most successful affiliated facilities have noticed consistently that their teachers are a lot more ‘mean' after coming back from even a short event or workshop with Ido.
Second, his method operates blind to much of modern research, including in sports science, motor learning, and related areas. Ido seems to have settled for the understanding of sports science he gained from Charles Poliquin, and RIP to Charles, but a lot of his ideas, such as on tempo and time under tension, are outdated, while others, like biosignature, were completely unfounded in the first place.
Some of you will say, if it’s not broke don’t fix it- his method works right? But this is antithetical to both my and Ido’s central beliefs. In fact, It’s the one thing I respect about Ido more than any other- he is constantly evolving and growing, as a mover, as a teacher, and as a person. He taught us the ‘craftsman mentality’ that you should never stop working on your craft and just call it finished- instead continually working to refine and evolve your craft and methods. Easy to say, sure, but Ido’s been doing this, and I’ve personally witnessed the magnitude to which it’s happened. The Ido Portal I met at movement camp in 2019 was Ido 2.0 compared to the Ido Portal I met at movement camp in 2016. This is what I’ll miss the most if he blacklists me from all future events for this video as I fully expect him to.
This brings us to what I believe is the most major flaw in the ido portal method: closed-mindedness. While Ido draws from different teachers and disciplines, he himself is the major source of information in the movement culture, which is indoctrinated that other teachers (who aren't teaching his method) are BS and other methods are garbage. Ido’s movement culture has become simply a vessel for his teachings passed down at his events and workshops, and while Ido is a brilliant guy, one man (even with a few helpers) cannot adequately fuel the development of a complex field.
For those that will ask why I did this video, or “what’s the point?” it’s primarily for this reason. If we want to grow movement, the field that Ido essentially created, both in width (get good information out to the general public) and in depth (develop movement and it’s study further), we need to start collaborating and working together to share our findings and research. I think it’s time, not for a movement culture, but a movement community.
I honestly believe that movement and it’s study are vital to the health and development of humanity, and it’s time that we dedicated practitioners and teachers stop holding one man responsible for its development, even if it’s the one who popularized it.
Hey Guys! Thanks so much for all the engagement, discussion, and kind messages I've received from so many of you after this video (I was really expecting some hate mail for this one). It's wonderful to see the community start to organize and evolve in the direction I've been envisioning for so many years. Updates: so far, 2 things have been birthed from the release of this video.
1) A discord channel for the growing movement community! Open to more options/ideas as we grow ( discord.gg/AWSsZJejQv )
2) In response to one of the comments below (thanks Chris!), as well as the concerns about price I raised in the video, I created the most affordable, accessible, scaleable movement training option I can think of: access to a QUALITY movement online video library. Right here on YT- prices between 10-50$/ month. If you're interested, click here ( th-cam.com/channels/VNYwsrLNUjFUzcDarDdYWw.htmljoin ) or just the 'join' button on my channel homepage to learn more.
It is new and still a work in progress, but with your support I've just been able to hire more help to start cranking out more content for you guys there (and here), and the offerings + organization + system will grow and be refined greatly over time.
Cheers everyone! Looking forward to the future with you all :)
So to sum it all up. Ido is good at his art. Ido has little faith in anyone other than himself. Ido is a %$@&#.
Just as an FYI - the hyperlinks doesn't work properly. The links think the ')' at the end is part of the url, when it shouldn't be. :)
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Thank you for the video. I come from the world of traditional martial arts where idolatry, close-mindedness and cult-like mentality are a commonplace so none of this is really news to me. Ido Portal has been a great inspiration to me in terms of movement and philosophy. He is definitely unique in many ways and I guess he's entitled to charge whatever he wants (just as you said in the video). But then I think of my late kung-fu teacher who would wake up at five and drove hundred kilometers to the capital, several times per week, just so that he could teach us in person. And there were people in our school who couldn't afford the tuition and he would teach them anyway. The school was like a family. Our sifu was not internationally famous but he was a great teacher and I'll always remember him.
If this Ido guy is so revolutionairy he would teach for free those who want to learn . Then charge those who want to go deeper into what he teaches . Why should the Poor not be Healthy as well Ido ????????
@@DeadShred9 he has the freedom to do whatever he wants. I would LOVE to do his course but I'm not willing to pay the 5-600$/month and the 4-6 hours/day. That's my problem, not his.
Pretty much word per word: you describe my Ballet teacher.
The soul reason I have left martial arts and turned to dancing was her and the family she created.
True: movements and philosophies are timeless to a point. But knowledge itself does not grant wisdom. And either two does not grant happiness.
From what I can understand from my limited knowledge of the matters: Your teacher has taught you much more important things than basically fighting, surviving.. Or simply even using your body in the best way possible.
Take away the body from the student... His arms his legs.. Put him in a chair or a bed... What do you have left that you have given them to thrive upon... the student still follow; Still live willingly?
I think one can use the same analogy differently to the teachers: "Take away the financial gain... And what is it you are left with... Does the person still teach willingly?"
Our school/studio was not the most known... But worth everything.
On a side note: do please allow me to especially state that I liked this guy: and his view on things.
I hope he gets disconnected from what it is that holds him back. Shall this be his having to pay a price of loosing his chance with if even the best body training teacher time/humanity has ever known: It is a very low price even still.
At least in how I see things.
curious your thoughts on Ren Zhongxin th-cam.com/play/PLF4Lx7LpR80nb82ablFRxo3xz7rgc8f6q.html
@@DeadShred9 it sounds as if he contempt anyone who don't make big bucks as stupid, lazy or both.
Around 2015 I drove seven hours to LA to do an ‘Ido Portal experience’ workshop.
But he wasn’t there. I had been talking to the owner of the CrossFit gym who sponsored the event many times because dropping over $700 was a lot for me. He literally said, “how much money would you spend to train with Bruce Lee for the weekend?” He didn’t ask me how much money I would spend to train with Bruce Lee’s assistants. I also convinced a friend to come with me so I was mortified that Ido wasn’t there. I left when I found out he wasn’t there and demanded a refund. I went out into my car and emailed his team immediately and they said no refund. I started posting on the Facebook event page for the New York workshop that was happening the following weekend to tell people that Ido wouldn’t be there. People were responding that they were shocked. And then Ido‘s team started deleting all of our messages in real time because they were hiding something. I think he is a shady businessman to say the least. This was dishonest to a huge degree. And I lost all respect for him in that moment. I still think he’s brilliant but I know him & his team as COMPLETELY dishonest. They do not want transparency. People private messaged me from that New York group thanking me for making it clear that he wouldn’t be there - many tried to cancel because they didn’t want to go if he wasn’t there either. Just left an incredibly bad taste in my mouth. Terrible business. Very sad.
It says Ido Portal is not guaranteed to show up at these events when you purchase the ticket.
I was one of the many good hearted and well intentioned folks at the NY one that also didn't know he wouldn't be there. I only came from a nearby US based stated (only a drive in) and I was still really upset. I stayed, but I shouldn't have. It was absolutely not worth more than maybe $200 for all the "novelty" shared. I am totally okay with anybody making fun of me saying "oh, so you would be okay having paid $500 more just if Ido was there?" and the answer is YES. Ido was hugely influential to me. Shit, I would actually say a heartfelt THANK YOU to Ido if I ever actually met him because he was a very good influence. But... he also made me think through disappointment (don't you fucking dare turn that into a positive, cultists! lol) and made me learn to analyze my "idols" so to speak... but yeah man, way too expensive and they ended up separating people into abilities to you literally could NOT learn the higher level skills (how to build up to them or advance them) if you didn't already "own" a previous skill. I could observe, since we were all in the same room, but not quite learn. Also, they made it a fucking workout (I guess I'm okay with this... an experience if you will) but I didn't feel as though the learning was there. I'm sure they'd argue I would learn best through doing repeatedly, but when you're there for a weekend, and they don't let you fucking record or nothing besides takea few notes, it was hard to walk away with "real shit"...
@@inactiveair4680 hahah but it fucking DIDN'T when he signed up - that was a measure taken after people like the one you responded sounded the horn.
Haha wow.
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maybe you could read my post again. I talked to the owner of the gym who was sponsoring it (no doubt getting a cut) and he told me Ido was going to be there. We had many lengthy discussions. There was no doubt in his mind or my mind that Ido would be there. Ido is synonymous with shady/dishonest business, 100% on many levels.
Man, I just love your approach to things. Straight foward, honest, no bs. Credit and criticism when they're due. I wish more people were like this in all fields of knowledge.
This is hands down the best review i've seen of any person / product/ service or thing. So balanced, fair and non-hostile. All in good faith. I have learnt a lot regarding the topic at hand and from your overall ability to communicate so well. Thank you and all the best with your mission.
This explains so much of what I’ve been wondering about Ido! Very enlightening. I support your push for a more collaborative, accessible movement culture! Thanks for putting yourself out there like this, it’s a bold act
Great video, it sounds like you perfectly align with my (much more limited) experience of the method.
I trained at one of those official Ido gyms for 3-4 years. The positive: I learned movements that I still find useful and I now have a much more holistic approach to training than I ever did before. I think it’s complimented and improved my performance playing sports (which hilariously enough feels like a faux pas in the community). I think it’s been overall very positive to have been exposed to the practice, and I try to show the most helpful exercises to someone who would never have access.
You hit the nail on the head with the type of person who can fully embrace “the practice”… someone wealthy who has an extraordinary amount of time to dedicate to training. If I were to create the archetypal Ido student.... it would be someone on the shorter side, naturally flexible, and has a trust fund. It was remarkable how many of the cliquey “in-group” of students fit into that definition.
Coming to this from the Huberman podcast, I have the same issue that you have… the anti-intellectualism drove me completely insane. There was always the talk about “going deeper into the practice” with no real definition of what that meant. “Can you bounce a ball on your head 100 times? You better train for months to do it! Why? We don’t really know, but post it on Instagram!” There was zero integration or reference to modern scientific studies. I don’t expect them to be master’s level physiologists, but if you came to them with any specific questions or specific injuries you could always tell they knew about as much as a 20 year old personal trainer. For any problem or injury, movement was just the blanket answer. I spent 9+ months training to rehab an injury they assured me they could fix with movement… and it was only until I actually saw a doctor and needed surgery that it was fixed and I could actually progress.
Ido likes to quote Bruce Lee “Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, add what is uniquely your own” and I feel like I’ve done that with his method. I’ve benefitted greatly from the ideas but I do not fit into the archetypal mover who can do splits, backflips, and one-arm handstands. It took years for me to stop hating myself for not getting those skills quicker and embracing the types of movements I actually enjoy. And I’ve now learned more from TH-cam channels like The Bodyweight Warrior and FitnessFAQs who actually offer clear information without the cult leader baggage.
What was your injury? And what kind of movements did you try to do with them to make it heal? Just curious about
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I feel your frustration Bren and I appreciate the courage it took to speak up. I attended Ido's workshop back in 2013-2015. Your review of the program is spot on, fair and well rounded.
This is an incredibly important video for the future of not only movement but the health, wellbeing and longevity of the general public. You're doing great things brother
Your monologue gripped me from start to finish, well researched, well stated, and a lot of excellent insights. Thank you! And yes, it is true, community is what stokes the flames and keeps them burning.
I've only heard about Ido the first time today. Always wanted for such an idea to exist so checked his website and youtube channel. And it was clear that something is wrong, that it is a stagnation. Almost no activity online, no regular posts, no sharing with true beginners. Now your video explains it all. You're right, this idea should be in a free flow, it should attract people to combine their knowledge, experiment, create and try out new things, and not to be converted into a cult.
Probably the best critique I've seen of Ido's system yet. I would love to learn under Ido's system, but just not from Ido. The guy is clearly one of the best all rounders out there but he seems to be an egotistical elitist cult leader, and for me personally I could not spend large amounts of time with some like that under any voluntary circumstance. It such a shame that he has made his own amazing discoveries so inaccessible
This is the first time I ever saw one of your videos. I had no idea you even exist. But everything you say is really resonating on the same wavelength with what I can see myself. I think that it has to be a shift of focus from being super special to being available and present in as many peoples life as possible. Otherwise you are just the leader of a secretive sect. It is very brave that you are coming out and speak in that way. And do not be afraid. For every people that will look bad or critical at what you say there are hundreds and hundreds others that are glad that finally someone is starting to talk.
I've been following Ido since around 2012 I think
I've always wanted to structurally train in movement, like I can for example with martial arts
but I could never find a comfortable way/place to do it, and I happen to be from Israel myself..
what I ended up doing in the first years, when I was in high-school, is absorbing EVERYTHING I could from his videos and interviews
later, I started practicing under some of his former students..
I am of course no professional, but this practice, however shakily-structured it is, eventually - brought a TON of value to my life, and for that - I have to and will always be grateful to Ido.
This man is one of the rarest teachers who actually cares about his students. Courses and teachings are pocket friendly, Understandable in a practical and scientific sense, Creates such elaborate but still easy to understand videos. I totally support your cause.
Great review Bren. A wise person will be quick to listen and reflect. I have been following, since the beginning, but am one of those who "cannot afford it". The first time I inquired about the workshops was the last. It all came down to practice, failure, improvisation, and practice again. Budokon and Movnat are two others that I have followed for years...and just as Ido...are not very accessible financially. The establishment of a movement community is necessary, 10-4. Peace.
Thanks for the video.
This actually made me view Ido more positively. It's hard to articulate, but too few educators focus on delivering content in a proven way and listen inordinately (perhaps even obsessively research) the latest "science" as it evolves in real time.
Some things are best kept simple.
And yet I agree with you that optimizing movement is somewhere in-between.
Thanks again for the video. Cheers.
hey man, I've a lot of respect for you sharing that perspective! Very straight forward, simple, honest and without being held back by potential backlash - thank you Bren!
Great vid! We're all here to start learning from you man
Daww. Thanks Michael! :)
Brilliant constructive criticism Bren! The top-down authoritarian aspect of the old movement culture has always been a major turn-off to many. Really happy to see you talking about the need for a more communitarian approach. This is the way.
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@@RPanda3S Hello my friend. By communitarian, Mark is implying an approach that recognizes contributions of community members and that focuses on building a positive community environment rather than a follow-the-leader approach (in this case specifically described as "top-down authoritarian"). Sorry for the misunderstanding. We want to encourage thinking positively about what others are saying here and clarify when something sounds confusing or unusual. Thanks
@@eveziroglu I see. That makes a lot more sense. I should have understood the contrast with "authoritarian" but I don't know what I was thinking. Sorry for the abrasive comment.
I did one of idos training camps and I loved it. But like you said I’m to poor and don’t have the time to experience more then what I did. But as a martial artist it never really mattered. I’ve always had a mind set like Bruce lee. Take what works. Discard what doesn’t. I’ll never conform to one persons system. I’ll learn what works for me then break it down into its different parts.
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Thoughtful, provocative and presents as honest, genuine and concerned for the right reasons (ie. the advancement of knowledge and improvement of health and fitness for all).
Well Done Bren....
Five Stars all the way!
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Thank you Brad!
Thank you Bren! This is my favorite youtube channel about movement
Thanks Jakob! I hope to soon upgrade to your favorite TH-cam channel period :).
Agreed
it's hard for me to put a finger on what bothers me about ido portal, because he does provide good information and have skill, but i think you've managed to point it out well. it's way the he leverages his ability to maximize profit, and yet strategically position himself to be untested and relevant without being open to being exposed. as a practitioner of dance (breakdancing) for 16 years, i got inspired by his movement quality and knowledge and adopted some of his squat mobility base, barefoot moving, transitions from basic positions as a healthier form of movement...but this is an art that has masters in different skillsets at the highest level of human ability, yet people still remain humble because it is so directly competitive with each other. i can tell Ido have a big ego with a solid skillset, but he never competes with anyone directly with his movement quality which i find odd. in martial arts, dance, etc, competition is where you find out who is who and where people rank, and yet ido charges an insane amount for his workshops but conveniently positions himself to never be tested. he'd say its a lifestyle and not about competition or specialization and its important to be open-minded, and yet it would be hard for him to come to the terms that though he has impressive abilities- he's not actually good at the elite level of competitive movement arts. it's like teaching martial arts but you've never beaten anybody or have an effective record. i couldn't understand why people would pay him so much to learn basics, when i personally know masters of the game that are world-class and have been competitively relevant for decades, and are barely scraping by business-wise. ido definitely has a talent for business. and that's the hypocrisy in his approach, because he preaches a generalized/open set of skills for exploring movement quality, and yet he never even mentions dance, (which has been a metric for movement quality for thousands of years) because he simply is not proficient at dance and probably does not want to look novice at it to his students. when you never compete, you will never understand where you stand in the bigger picture of effectiveness and levels. though he has impressive ability, the truth is- many, many others do as well. only, they do not structure their influence to maximize profit, and they often welcome people to challenge them for the sake of remaining relevant in the ever-evolving levels of their craft. if he's so good, how come there is no way to see just how good he is through an exchange or contest? he shies away from this alot, whereas alot of other movement arts find this aspect integral in maintaining relevance.
Imagine teaching a new form of jiu jitsu and charging thousands of dollars, but your instructor never allows you to roll with him or question his ways, and he himself has never beaten anyone and has a 0-0 record. People can see how “good” ido is, yet you can’t really assess how good he is because he never puts his skill to test against others. Real high quality movement arts excel through discourse, live exchanges, metrics of value through judging systems. He wouldn’t charge so much if he were really for the culture. And he wouldn’t structure his teachings like this if he were really confident in his position in the craft. He’s a big fish in a small pond and that pond is drying up.
Well said. I feel the same
@@joelategan and to make it worse, his followers pay so much money but the skills are only applicable if its used as a background for other skillsets, say gymnastics, other movement arts, martial arts etc. you're not going to the Olympics with his teaching. he says it's a generalized, broad range of thinking and movement, but his teaching structure is actually pretty rigid and not open to evolution and criticism. when you don't treat your community right, it will never grow. and better communities that overlap can see through that aspect immediately. you'll never see a jiu jitsu mentor charge thousands for his workshops but never roll with anyone.
If you want freedom, variability of movement and an open minded culture you should check out the breaking scene, its beautiful. Thanks for daring to speak up, great stuff.
High prices "weed out wankers" now? LMAO. Surrrrre. Golf clubs and casinos are full of the best people on Earth!
Rofl
I just encountered Ido's videos at 74 years old. I'm intrigued because I like the concept of free, flowing movement as opposed to movement taught (even yoga, etc.) within a patterned form. I think what you describe about the central character of any movement is not unusual. At my age, I've seen this scenario countless times in the past with all types of human activities. When I join anything, I'm extremely observant how the central figure is regarded. No one's a saint, and no one's a savior. I think Ido can develop his craft as he sees fit, and you can do the same. We are all different and thrive with different approaches and perspectives. History is replete with examples of movements and schools who split and took different paths. Good luck!
Yep .. the best thing about crazymonkey is not ido portal .. its the moving and learning together !! This aspect is not persued by ido for all his practissioners .. i did a 3 day workshop with him and he didnt move did not enthise me only talked about himself and his money .. so yeah 4 years of crazy monkey and i miss him like .... no i m happy i m not around him
I have sooooo much respect for you for creating this video. Movement is a powerful tool that can change lives.
We never met in person but hope to meet you in person and move together. Much love from Japan.
Bren you are obviously a very sincere and well meaning individual. I don't think Ido himself should be insulted by anything you said, if he has any ability at all to be self reflective. You gave him a ton of praise, and all your suggestions sound quite reasonable and well intentioned for the greater good of sharing knowledge that can help people in maximum numbers. I'm certified as a trainer myself and very uninterested in traditional training methods, because of how they have failed me and others. Our bodies are meant to move, more than they are meant to move heavy objects. I checked out your website and will probably reach out. I've studied Feldenkrais a bit for years, and know that it is far more important to improve the quality of our movements than our ability to exert resistance in an often straining and inefficient, and impractical way. Thanks and blessings, peace.
Wow. This was an excellent dissemination and constructive critique. This is a clear example of people who are most passionate in their fields have the most vocal criticism BECAUSE THEY KNOW WHAT THEY'RE TALKING ABOUT and want better for the movement (of movement) and not their own ideas.
I remember when I heard of the 'Movement' culture. I really wanted to join, but WOW is it insanely expensive. The lack of accessibility made me disillusioned with the idea as a whole, so I opted for Muay Thai. Years later, I'm more athletic than I have ever been, but you are right about Ido as a whole. I remember when it was slightly rising in popularity, but then dissipated very quickly and everyone just moved on from it...Connor McGregor cutting ties with Ido didn't help either. Sometimes, we are our worst enemy.
Thanks for this video Bren! I love your attitude towards this- Just discovered Ido through his vertical shake video and had a good time with it, but had a dark feeling that he was profiteering off other established, underfunded cultures. Open collaboration and research is so important for progress and is really what separates plain business from exploitation. Like the society he hails from Ido joins a long line of shady appropriators, happy to have discovered your channel and will be following you from here on
Great accountability and a show of courage to stand your own ground. This is what a teacher does.
Thank you Bren. I think it's a good thing you have opened up about this topic and shared your opinion. I agree with you and your vision of a movement community, and I'm very glad to see that some teachers in the field are starting to shift towards a more welcoming and open minded structure. It would be great to see you lead some kind of events or a training facility in the future, and I'd love to take part and train/study with you.
I think you brought up some very valid points, and argued them in an understandable way from multiple perspectives including Ido's. This was a very fair review. You should not get blacklisted for this, and if you do they just proved how cultist they are.
Thankyou !!!! These words confirm my thoughts .. i only saw him for 3 days and practise movement for 5 years .. ido is an authistic narcicist.. he cant live in his own system .. but his mentor students gripped me and gave me air !!
Great video! I came across Ido years ago on some youtube videos and interviews from podcasts etc., long before he met Conor Mc Gregor, and i had known that he had a wide range of martial arts that he had studied also. But, like you mentioned, if you want to learn from him it's too prohibitive for most people and it's a shame. Also by spreading in a manor that makes sense, not only would he still become wealthy, like your analogy of John Danaher, the amount of Jiu Jistsu schools available and competitions is what led to this surge in new techniques along with the refinement of existing techniques.
Damn thank you so so much for this video, it really really speaks to me. My movement journey is both enlightening and frustrating due to the many pitfalls of MoveCult. Like you, I have felt something transformational in movement that I really hope to share with more people, and Movement Community is something that really needs to be grown and developed. Ironically, Ido claims to want a 'culture' which is in many sense larger than a 'community', yet he despises the 'general public' or simply people outside of his own closed circle. I love the message of your video and hope good things will develop in the future!
Thnx for speaking out! Totally agree with all of that!
This video perfectly sums up why I didn't continue my movement training in the way Ido does it. It's just not accessible. And it should actually be the other way around as you only need your body for it. I've since learned a lot about kettlebells, maces and clubs and found functional strength training to be a great accessory to martial arts. I do miss the freedom I had within my movement practice though. I just don't know a good place to start. GMB is nice for absolute beginners though
Very much thank you for the video. I was always a fan of Ido, but never understood the unwillingness to talk and teach publicly.
Great video bro! Very brave. I couldn't agree more with your points there. The irony of his approach is that it has prohibited the growth of this culture to any significant degree. Discussions like this will go a long way towards opening the culture up and bringing new people into it.
That was an amazing critical thinking review.
And although I understand (just by listening to his interviews) that indeed Ido must have a big ego, I really think that your final statement that he is 10 times the leader Glassman is, is very accurate.
Mate, am I just delighted I've found your take and channel.. Ka pai from New Zealand.
I agree with your mission. Movement needs a community and it needs to aim to help as many people as possible. Not just those that can afford it and not just those fit enough to embark on hardcore training.
Bren, absolutely well-said. I got into movement culture 6 years ago, and show people ido's video and tell them that"s how i want to move. I've been looking for a movement teacher or some sort of gym where i can go and practice these things under supervision.
He is absolutely right. I know from experience. Thank you for a great video breakdown.
I agree that an ideal movement culture is decentralized. Good insight
I don’t know shit about the movement culture or anything… but this was an unbelievably well articulated, thought out and respectful criticism, personal account and observation. I don’t know you brother but you’ve got a new subscriber. Oss.
Bruce Lee would be very proud of your thinking and commitment to true learning and physical expression, bravo!
The beauty of culture is that no one owns it. Every person who is exposed to a new culture immediately can take the elements that work for them and leave the ones that don’t. We all are building culture whether we realize it or not. I am grateful to all those who have influence the culture that I create around me. A wise man once told me if someone is not creating something you think should be created that is an indication that you should go create it. We should never wait for others to create the vision that we see so clearly.
Ido has essentially taken other peoples' work and called it his own. HIs work is clearly an amalgamation of Gymnastics Bodies; Systema; and Capoeira, essentially.
Ido sounds a lot like Naudi Aguilar of Functional Patterns. Naudi consistently shits on everyone else in the fitness/movement industry, and it's a huge shame because he has built such an awesome system.
Thank you for speaking so honestly. That takes a lot of courage.
You are great! Thank you for the enlightenment, motivation and inspiration.♥
Wow, I sure wish more people could back up their opinions the way you have, both with science and grace. Well done 👍
Wow!
Thank you for talking about this!
It's so true that the majority of testimonials out there can be easily divided into these two groups.
Let's grow this movement community!💪
Ido doesn't have a monopoly on movement. He's created a system, a philosophy, a style and you're paying for it. Good luck. He's just in it for the money. No different to Bikram.
Good insights and points that confirm alot of what it has looked on the outside atleast, thanks for sharing 💗
It comes down to who you are as a human being. Remember actions speak louder than words.. Yes ido can do what he likes and charge what he likes. But when you know as a human being, you have knowledge that can benefit peoples lives, re shape them, heal them or make the biological machine "better" and you choose to take it away from people and make it only accessible to a few with money for your own gain, then you know the person your dealing with is not genuine in his mission to help people.
Goods and services
He puts out a lot of free content. If you want more you pay
As someone who loves marketing, i have to respect Idos ability to make himself the wise infallible wizard.
Hi Bren,
Great video!
I think you are 100 percent right with what you say, it s a pitty it is so hard to access Ido s content and that there are nearly no movement-gyms...
I would love to train in a place like that, but there is none in my region...
Keep up your good and honest work!
Thanks
Michi
I feel you Bren. I got banned for sharing a movement game that involved expanding Idos 4 movements closed system flow :D
Super interesting to hear your truth. I can feel good things are coming :P
The solution at least sounds easy. We've got to bring the love for movement to the kids and while where at it remove chairs out of schools.
And yes - as amazing as Ido and his team are - we can't rely on them alone for this to happen.
From my side I must admit that I find it difficult to be hard on Ido just because I do not find his workshops that expensive in comparison.
I was at the EMM in Copenhagen and the facility alone was superb. It is kind of hard to offer this kind of service cheaper involving travel etc.
From there I went to train with Joseph Bartz for some month in Berlin. It was 120€ a month for 8 sessions a week which is actually way too cheap.
A friend of mine recently opened a movement school here in Hamburg and I would love to see you teaching a workshop there and share your insights with us.
I haven't figured out yet, how to get rich financially by teaching movement without too much screen work involved so for now I have to wait for the cool kids to come by to play with them.
I really like your content, if you give me your address I would like to send you a copy of the game that I was banned for to thank you for your effort in some way
@@moredatesmorefiber3526 It was the facebook group. To be fair: they say you should not post links to fb groups and I used the group structure to mimic a movement card game, so I could give it out for free.
No clue who banned me. I have no bad feelings it is just a facebook group after all, but it was cool in the beginning. Too bad the forum got deleted...
Bless you for coming from a place of love and truth
Great breakdown and well put! I would love to see the movement culture become more mainstream and accessible.
Looking forward to your other videos and possibly becoming a student of your method.
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. Good luck with your mission
Hi Bren, do you think we can start at 60 years old if we are too stiff, but if we want to recover or improve mobility in a new way. If you do worshop let me know, i think it’s a good think to bring over 50 people back to mobility, because i know that life can be tremendous increased in ourself and further too in good mental and physical health, good luck and honesty is always a door to the light.
I can see why Ido didn't want to go mainstream, I can only imagine the hard work he dedicated so he didn't want the masses to dilute his work. However, look at Gracie's jiu-jitsu. With the right system, coaching, movement could go far. Movement culture needs to happen. With baby steps, I can truly see it takes off similar to parkour culture at one point.
I guess thats his strength and downfall, his obsession and ego. The only way I see someone practicing movement is finding a coach nearby or research online.
the big difference between ido's approach and jiu jitsu, perhaps one of many is that ido's interpretation of movement art is not competitive- whereas jiu jitsu is. competition is the live exchange of ideas, and the leveraging of skillsets to see who and what techniques are most effective in a given moment. ido's format will never be competitive because it would threaten his relevance then he won't be able to charge obscene amounts for his workshops. there's plenty of practitioners of movement arts that are far more proficient that ido and have been competing for a long time, and yet would never charge so much for workshops, because they know most people just won't be able to afford it.
@@howiestyles4938 Who are these practitioners that are more proficient? I've been trying to find someone to train with and just out of curiosity.
@@dougt4283 well, as someone with a dance background (breakdancing for 16 years), i immediately saw the potential in ido, but also the contradictions. dance has long been the staple for movement quality for thousands of years, and yet ido almost never touches on the craft which i find odd. so in terms of masters in movement and proficiency, just about every style of movement there's a higher level "master". ido is sort of a jack of all trades with a background in capoiera, gymnastics, hand balancing, and some other martial arts i'm not sure of. i don't understand how someone can preach the importance of movement culture and movement in general but almost completely ignore dance and the movement quality of those arts. also, its an obvious movement art that he just doesn't have a background in so he glances over for the sake of marketing. but yeah, even studying proper running mechanics, basic boxing fundamentals, any form of dance, yoga...there's alot of movement arts with avenues of competition outside of what ido pushes that can be very rewarding to tap into. jiu jitsu too but its more high impact.
@@dougt4283 and bro...all these other movement forms are competitive. if ido were to dismiss them somehow because he's ignorant, then its very easy to dismiss him too. who's ido beat competitively with his craft? how can he rank himself so high when he's never competed against anyone? all these other arts remain humble and growing because they're competitive and it keeps people fresh and in check...i don't understand how ido justifies charging people so much money when he's never tested himself against anyone in the movement culture. would you learn jiu jitsu from someone that charges 20x more than other schools, and this teacher has zero background in competition and doesn't allow you to roll with him? i think not.
A Very thoughtful and thorough analysis , I learn so much about the subject, it’s flaws and it’s potentials, you sparked an interest within me, to learn more of movement and the
movement community… thank you…
I don't believe it is possible to build a real community when the aspects 'money' and 'performance' are center.
I grew up in very disciplinary sports (sailing and krav maga). In Krav Maga I faced exactly what you narrate, I was my teacher's most dedicated student, but kept being sabotaged because honestly he didn't want a woman in the front row. I ended up leaving after 15 years, but it was okay, that actually just opened me to the vastness of all there was for me to explore in physical practices. My Krav Maga masters were exactly like how you describe Ido (but worse). From then it became very clear to me that we need to get from masters what is good and not want any more than that from then. If that's the limit of what they have to offer, we should move on to the next person having something positive we can take from then, and that's it. Take what there is to take and move on. It's the only way to stay truly committed to your own self development and nothing more - like a specific sport or philosophy or master.
I miss the community aspect of practices, but I'm on the group that you mentioned that has no money. So it's a no brainer for me, I simply stick to my discipline, research my solitary practice and that's it. From time to time I pick something I can afford and invest all I can in it to research the practice in my body (currently is long running and trail running and there is a lot to study in our bodies on that realm, it's very interesting). Maybe next I'll hit a circus or a capoeira class. Ido is not "better" than either of these. It's just different. We can explore our bodies to the infinity in any practice we do. We do not need "the best of the world", we just need anyone who has something that we can take from then 😊
I'm really interested in how tempo training is outdated. Do you have any sources I can look up?
Loved the video brother!
Great video! Can't wait to check out your intro series
I've always been curious about Ido and the movement "culture". It changed the way I see and do sports, and how train and live my daily life. Sadly, I think all your points about Ido are dead on, and the movement culture loses because of it. Hopefully what he started can grow and be improved upon by, like you say, a community that flourishes and thrives, bringing movement to the general public! Thank you for this video!
What you've said is so important. Every point-agreed. I come from a movement based branch of psychoanalysis & trauma healing. What you are describing in Ido is common, unfortunately. I've seen it many times over in psychology. I do agree with your common good viewpoint. Be well 💓
GREAT insight! Thank you so much for sharing.
Good video man. I like
(IDO)’s movement philosophy.
you said at the end of your video "What can we do to make it move forward" I'd say make what you've learnt from Ido as one of his students more accessible and mainstream! as people like myself don't have access to that without paying for an extremely expensive course. Obviously that's up to you how you go about that as you've paid the expensive course prices people myself can't afford and haven't, but that would take away the financial barrier for a lot of people and make it accessible to a much broader group of people.
Sharing is caring!...it is sad in all aspects of movement (yoga-movement-dance-etc) that these arts of movement are not giving to our kids for free, allowing everyone to keep on moving for a healthier life. "as we all will die one day!, facing life in its most pure fundamentals it is such a delightful experience"
Sounds like you're really the one we need.
Daww shucks ;)
Thanks for the awesome video. This is very insightful. Well done.
You are awesome! I applaud your integrity.
This is great, thanks Bren. I have been wanting to join the movement culture for a while but it does feel fairly esoteric and distant. I'm hoping I can undo 30 years of sitting at a desk on a computer and focus more on flexibility and movement. The idea of jumping straight into deadlifts and snatches does not appeal to me (and I did Crossfit for years). I just want to move more fluidly. Let's start a movement movement!
Vicente Pastinha, Master of Angola Capoeira, said two important things about body movements and capoeira: 1. "Capoeirista is not the one who knows how to move the body, but the one who lets himself be moved by the soul". 2 “Angola Capoeira, mother of Capoeira: Mandinga of the slave in yearning for freedom, its beginning has no method and its end is inconceivable to the wisest capoeirista".
Especially since I am practicing and teaching for years, attended workshops and trained in affiliate gym but left due to the same reasons you present
Great video's Bren. Keep up the awesome work! Always interesting to hear different sounds from people who have been there.
I've never heard of this "movement" before, but I am intrigued!!
I’ve met someone who if you host at your gym, you get banned by Ido. They hadn’t even met each other and he had no idea what it was about.
Crazy but I don't doubt it- he really approaches movement from a zero sum, scarcity mindset as far as business operations.
Thanks a lot for your review!
It's interesting, it seems Ido uses that old school martial arts mentality where the grandmaster has his underling masters who want to outdo him but the structure doesn't allow for it, unless the master/student makes a complete break from the grandmaster and sets up shop without the grandmaster's blessing [and potentially attracting their wrath].... then the master becomes their own boss and has to further the field with their own research etc.
I just Move…”Exercise” (It’s so NOT graceful🤯) But!!! In those moments? I am at Peace!! I feel THAT ‘Peace’ should be accessible for Everyone❤️🔥❤️ Blessings🌸
I didnt know who Ido was until I saw him as a guest at the Huberman Podcast. I guess this explains why neither any of my friends (who are all in into fitness) nor I ever heard of him. We all know of Vikram and crossfit (who doesnt, honestly). If they had a studio in NYC, i would would have joined easily
there's no doubt IP is great at what he does and has had a significant impact. but I remember listening to an interview with him and what he was saying there - things centred around shedding ego - were completely at odds with how he presents himself and his dogmatic approach to things. and that idiosyncrasy just killed my interest in him and his approach.
That’s fair honestly
Right on. Thinking reflecting WEIRD-country values of education, democracy, fairness, and egalitarianism.
I'm drunk and I have no idea why I'm watching this video but I love it dude.
The things you mentioned remind me of the BJJ / martial arts world and how I was taught. It’s time for a change.
Thanks for ur video. Is eye opening. That’s what happen when individuals are selfish n close minded there will be no growth. Thanks to TH-cam the world became knowledgeable of lots of things. What is the purpose of knowing if u don’t share it.
Could you give me the reference of the graph you showed when you mentioned Ted Butryn? I am a psychologist and a personal trainer, so I would be very interested in delving into these topics. Thank you! Greetings from Argentina.
Community community community. Movement is human, and ultimately, the way we move and breathe changes the way we think. There is no exclusivity in movement, but there are ways we can move to promote quality internal function, and therefore outward expression.
Bren, so well put!
Definitely getting black listed 😂😂
But you in deed put words in my mouth of my experience attending a camp with him
when I was really into parkour, I would dream of an "adult playground" facility that I could play around and essentially "work out" in. I didn't realize there's a whole "movement culture" around this!
Great review, and stay open, thanku