KOBE VS LEBRON??? DWIGHT HOWARD GIVES HIS TAKE ON WHO IS BETTER AND WHY!!!
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Kobe had foot work like Ali! Each year Kobe came with a new era of himself
Yea but Dwight trynna come back in the league. If he said Kobe was better he'd be banished for saying something against Lebron.
Kobe is the number 6 leader in turnovers. He traveled a lot, I guess that’s why you said he had foot work. Lebron is number 1 in turnovers. Jordan is not even on the top 25 list he’s 34 on the list as of right now. Since most people think Jordan is ball-hogger you would think he would turn over the ball way more. That’s why I consider Jordan as the best, less mistakes wins games. Also, Jordan was never a lazy player.
@@64mali714I guess you never watched Jordan's game, he got away with a lot of traveling, and I'm not talking TH-cam videos, Kobe was never lazy, Kobe won without Shaq, Jordan couldn't do that without Pippen, Kobe is more skilled at basketball than Jordan is, Kobe took Jordan's moves that Jordan stole from other great NBA players and just made them better, and Jordan knows he got lucky with Magic Johnson falsely got diagnosed with hiv, Jordan knows he wouldn't have them six rings.
Jordan and LeBron fans are the worst fans ever, but I will say,, Kobe North Jordan ever beg for respect, like LeBron does🤡
Kobe's footwork was different than LeBron's, especially in terms of the effectiveness of the type of shots they each took and specialized in. What ultimately matters when discussing a skill like "footwork" is not what it looks like or how aesthetic it seems to the bare eye, but its EFFECTIVENESS and efficiency in scoring the basket. If fancy footwork leads to less efficient baskets, then is the fanciness of the footwork more valuable than its translation into a successful shot?
I get what you're saying, and LeBron plays point a lot, and he has played more games, which also adds to more opportunities to turn the ball over. @64mali714
There’s absolutely no reason for Dwight Howard to ever use “pause”.
😂
Facts
😂😂😂😂😂
😂😂 that man said he not gay he just a little freaky 😭
@@kweefsweat5628wit men 🤣💀🤣
DHoward has a contagious spirit. Seems like he enjoys life and everything he is doing. Mad love and respect to you sir. For him to not be in the top 75 or whatever is freaking insane.
It’s called HIV.
word. i'm still not feeling niggas in pearl necklaces, tho, but i know i'm old.
Word. He definitely deserves to be in their over AD. But he bugging having lebron in front of kobe
@@lonesoljazangetsu1157
LeBron should be ahead of Kobe he was more greater and LeBron got Howard a ring after Kobe couldn’t.
@antionewalker4081 bruh don't @ me we idiocy. Speak facts to me and show you atleast understand the game
KOBEEEEE ALLL DAYYY. 🏀🏀🏀💯💯 R.I.P. MAMBA🙏👑
Now this felt like a good barber's shop healthy discourse. Everybody pitching in. Dwight posing the questions sometimes. Nobody talking over nobody. 10/10 🌊🌊🌊🌊
Dwight is a very introspective thinker, I used to just think he was just goofy. But hes just a light hearted soul, but a great thinker. man was asking them really great pointed questions to help them assess their points better. I also heard the man is a very successful farmer, and that too requires a lot of diligence and planning now that I think about it.
Dwight pausing anything is HILARIOUS 😂
Swear I was just about to write that
Lol
Because he actually the pause
@@CORYCASHTV dawg 🤣😂
😂😂😂😂
Kobe
Despite his goofiness he still deserves to be top 75 all time can’t deny it.
Like it’s PAINFULLY obvious too. The fact that he was slighted is utter disrespect
EASILY‼️‼️ Better than ALOT of the legends 💯
True dat.
Not over tmac Vince grant hill etc
Take Anthony Davis out and Put Dwight Howard in his spot
Dwight get a lotta flack for personal reasons (fair or not) but him not being top 75 was a damn travesty
Facts
That's a fact.
real shit... a lot nighas have them same skeletons in the closet
It’s Asinine Asi10 Asi11 you name it, Anthony Davis is on that bih but Howard is not?????? 🤣🤣🤣💀
@@Oso_99Ad deserve it idk what’s wrong with u . His resume is really great and his is one of the most talented players defensively and offensive we have ever seen. Dude literally almost won finals mvp. And hit that shot over joker. His game is unguardable and he has a handle . And the dude can literally guard some of the best guards in the league
I actually agree with Dwight on the Kobe/Jordan comparison. At some point, and don't know when it happened, Kobe realized I'm HIM and chasing Jordan was an afterthought.
I have kobe 1a, Jordan 1b. It's really close between the 2. Actually it's really fractions. True shooting percentage, kobe 55%, Jordan, 56% Win loss regular season, jordan 706 - 366, .659 win %
Win loss regular season, kobe 701 - 356, .663 win % Post season, jordan 119 - 60 Post season, kobe 126 -72
Against 50 win teams in the playoffs Jordan- 20-7 Kobe- 25 - 10. Faced the most in playoff history.
Number of playoff games against sub 100 DRTG teams among perimeter players in modern era Jordan - 6 Kobe - 65
Average SRS (competition during a title run) Jordan - 15.41 Kobe - 18.86
Total points and assists Jordan - 32,292 pts, 5633 assists. Kobe - 33,643 pts, 6303 assists.
Jordan played against man to man defense. Kobe played against zone defense, also used ISO.
Championships Jordan- 6-0. Kobe 5-2.
Era
Jordan won during the expansion decade. This was weaker Era compared to the 80s, 2000s. The defense wasn't as good as some might remember. All you have to do is do a TH-cam search on exposing 90s defense. Kobe played in arguably the toughest Era in history, in the toughest conference. Tougher teams, tougher defense, tougher competition. Kobe won without shaq, Jordan never won without pippen. Also in the 90s the bulls were always the favorite to win. He had a stacked team. Kobe had to fight to the nail to win. And Shaq never carried kobe.
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Kobe thought about it from the beginning, he said that he admired Mike and stole the moves who he thought were effective, but he wasn't trying to be next Mike. He learned from Hakeem and a lot of other greats
The conversation is lebron and Jordan. Kobe isn't in that convention. Kobe isn't a top 10 player
Howard is one of the most underrated, he did his thing, he was a impactful player
No he's not he never found a post game even tho he practiced with Patrick Ewing, Hakeem n shit , if you been watching since he been drafted he was a rim protector athlete who had alot of put backs.. he should replace AD on the top 75 but he is not underrated he got comfortable. Period.
@@Bart-lp9vbhe still was unstoppable. Won defensive player of the year more than once because he was that great, sent lebron home also. I’ll take Dwight over AS any day in their prime
From HS, college, to the Pros. Look at Kareem’s chips & numbers. Was the man in the 70’s & 80’s. Salute!
Thank you I'm happy someone said it
Who gives a fucc about the 70s and 80s. Lol
I respect math and them for shining the light on legends and keeping a mature non judgemental mindset about someone's personal business behind closed doors.Salute to yall for keeping respectful and no goofy ish.Salute.
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Kobe & Bron are Yin & Yang... Gotta appreciate both because you can't have 1 without the other. I love & appreciate BOTH 🦁 x 🐍
You definitely can ha e Kobe without LeBron not the other way around.
@@Man_eeeu sound dumb. We seen Kobe before in another man, he COPIED a whole other dude. Lebron is one of one
@@Man_eee📠
@@ProphetP11 🧢
@@kharianaflowers8033 🧏🏾♂️
That ending killed me
Dwight: just take it and finish
*points pause!!!
😂😂😂😂
Math you really expanding your brand to all aspects of the culture.. salute!!
Really gotta salute math , it’s only been growth. Def one of if not the top pods out ..appreciate the work you and the team been doin
Kobe in his own everything 💪🏽GOAT
I like how he said Jordan had an all around game but elaborated saying he had everything in his bag and he could excel at it. Jordan didn’t use everything in his bag but if he needed to he could.
He ran the point for about 10 games and averaged a triple double.
@@moxgenyeah but that's only like 10 games. That's not a good sample size
@@moxgenif he was running point for a season, or 2 seasons, then we could reasonably say that he was capable of doing that, but 10 games is nothing
@@paulh.9937 You're missing the fact that he was not a PG. The point was there was nothing he couldn't do on the court. Can you name another player that did it all both ends clutch in the regular season and playoffs.
Jordan competition was weaker than Kobe's and that's a fact. Kobe went against the higher winning percentage teams
The interview I didn’t know we needed. Great basketball insight👍
He did derrick rose as well
Having him on after reading them text he involved in is the most funniest thing I’ve seen this week 😂😂😂
💯 😂
Math has some of the most famous people as guest. Salute to Math his show has definitely progressed over the years!
Dwight saying pause to ANYTHING is wild
05-08 kobe was insane. Kobe improved his skills more than Jordan because he had to. He didn’t have Jordan’s athleticism and large hands. With their style of play, it was very risky to play because it was very obvious if they didn’t play well you can easily blame them.
The problem I have with lebron (which is probably a good thing) is that his style of play really makes it hard to blame him for anything. His team will loose but you’ll look at stats and can’t blame him so you blame the teammates. When they win you look at levrons stats are like exactly the same even when he looses so then he gets the credit…. It’s a win win for him. I think that’s why Kobe always tried to taunt him early in lebrons career to take the last shot, because it forces you to take some form of blame
Man this is one of the worst takes I've ever seen lmao
The only time a guy ( not just lebron but anybody u can name) needs to be blamed for a loss is if he underperformed and clearly had the better team in a winnable series.
@@sportstalkonly1442 sorry truth hurts… lebron plays basketball the “right way.” The right way means you can’t really blame any 1 person. Kobe was trying to entertain the fans with heroism
@@sshaxy860 bro wtf r u even talking about lmao
@@sportstalkonly1442 talking about heroism bruh…. Kobe saved the world
I believe that every generation has had there greats. And an individual who loves the game. I have been fortunate to witness how Kobe was able to link together every nation and tongue together under a roof and watch the game. He was more than a player
Dwight Howard saying pause is crazy lmao
💀💀😂😂😂😂💯
Your profile pic is pause lmao😂😂😂
Kobe #8 💜💛
When he said it’s harder to score all those points as a big man with no threes shit made sense
It really didn’t. If it were harder to score, they’d have worse FG% percentages. He’s obviously biased, but you’re always at an advantage playing closer to the cup.
@@mindbullyexactly lol
@@mindbully💯😭
@@mindbully It was harder not because how close the hoop was, but the defense was played inside since the 3 was a bail out shot, barely taken. So you have damn near 8 in the paint and and multiple defenders around you. Makes getting the shot up harder.
@@ahkashi4338 I clearly understood his point. It’s still inaccurate.
Bill Russel is why Players like lebron and Dwight exist🚨‼️ He was the prototype ✅
If Kobe didn’t get injured 22 times and got couple more rings there would be no argument on who’s the greatest.
Kobe choked in 2 Finals. His fg% were poor during those.
Math putting in Work📣
This show is the Culture ✍🏾
Pippen guarded the best offensive player on the opposing team, not Jordan. Kobe for the first half of his career guarded the best opponent and made the all-defensive team. Kobe's route to being on the all-defensive team was harder than Jordans route...not to mention there were more quality PG's, SG's, SF's to guard in the 2k's than the 90's.
All facts Kobe took what Jordan did and perfected it
That's a lie MJ guarded magic Johnson majority of the 91 finals go look at the tape, MJ also shutdown grant hill in the 4th quarter when pippen was getting misused, MJ would see if pippen could handle a certain player and if he couldn't MJ got that, he didn't make 9 all defensive team and 1 defensive player not taking the best player, come on you make no sense
@@sylviaadkins6208can't perfect MJ when it's only one Kobe is Kobe, both are top 2 and lebron is #7
@@eazymoneymane7789 fun fact James Worthy was the Lakers leading scorer not Magic Johnson to top it off Magic averaged more point that series with Jordan guarding him, than he did during the entire season, thanks for proving my point.
@@waffles824 go look at the series all 5 games from start to finish and you'll see that you are wrong
Dwight Howard aka Big Zesty is keeping it 💯 right here. Facts!
Jordan is like that Shaolin Monk that perfected a move over and over and over again 😁
Dwight and Kobe bumped heads cus Dwight thought he was better than what he really was and didn't want to put that time and dedication in cus he was a beast but he wasn't HIM.
Nah he was injured, yall act as if his back wasn't fckd up, not to mention Kobe can be an asshole just like Michael.
I''ll never forget when Kobe said try me and called Dwight soft.
He called him soft because normally when hes around men hes hard
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@@hankleepixain4283🫨🫨🫨😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Dwight would have destroyed Kobe in a fist fight
@@bmills6176kobe got into it with shaq he way harder than d12
Kobe on God!!!
I remember averaging about 20 assist for like four games straight to get this dude into the game! Kobe was special
Kobe’s 3 highest assist totals for a single game.
17,15,14…only one of those games came during Dwight’s tenure I believe…
Busted.
Stop the cap
@@frankiethefrog1752 I stand corrected. I remembering being assist. May been a triple double. I remember afterwards Phil or kobe spoke about how kobe pulled back to get Howard more confident. The just to it is that I seen kobe do things like the 81 point game. Where he did it on purpose. Like the last game they played Boston for the title. Kobe points sucked. But he had a lot of rebounds. Each game in that series was won by rebounds. They both was down they starting center. That's goat status. No to mention his last game. He did it cause shaq ask him to do it for him and he delivered. The 81 point game was the first time his grand mother ever came to any of his professional games. That's🥶
I'm going to enjoy this one! Always been a fan of Dwight!
Soon as Dwight said “Pause” it told me everything I needed to know 😅
Kareem had the sky hook a move that was unstoppable I'm amazed that no other big man learned it
He played against no good centers realsitclly him and Shaq some of the most overrated players ever
Give me one good reason why a NBA team couldn't use defense, 12-15 rebounds, and 8-10 points on put backs and dunks
Because they don't put any VALUE in it. Just like the NFL don't value running backs.
Dwight got blackballed,like jr.smith,Carmelo, Iman shumpert
Dwight is prohibited 🚫 from using the word PAUSE😂😂😂
NOT AFTER THOSE TEXTS
It’s my opinion:
~ awesome interview of difference of opinions amongst men and yet all in harmony in conversation…..Love this ❤
What couldn't Kobe do, then?!?! That man game was flawless, he had no weakness.
Go left. He couldn't go left😂
@Degreciarigoberto Ahahahahahahaha, yet he is left handed 🤣🤣
@@DaPrinc383 kobe is not left handed
@@Degreciarigoberto Lol, do your homework
@DaPrinc383 every move you ever seen kobe do was to the right.
Him not being in the NBA is crazy. Insane 🤦♂️
Hakeem Olajuwon is in my top 3 greatest of all time! His skill set, footwork, defense, etc. Is like none other.
No 4 or 5 could guard him in any era.
A prime Olajuwon is unstoppable! Highly underrated
#thedream👑🏀🐐
“Top 3” 🤔he’s great possibly top ten but not top 3. I think top 3 has to be Kareem, lebron, and mj
Prime Shaq is the best Big ever !
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@@raymondsims7042MJ. Wilt. Kareem. LBJ frfr ain't Top 5.
@@Jason09_
We ALL saw what Olajuwon did to prime Shaq....
9:58 Great question Howard asked? And the follow up also , then his view! Man I’ve never thought of it like that with the big players , that shows how great they can be 🔥
This is probably the best discussion on the basketball greats
Dwight witness both careers from the bench, bro had the best seat in the house!
Math really got the best podcast out right now. And it's not even close. Drink Champs is cool but when they get drunk shit gets too crazy. I like how leveled things are on these joints. I wanna hear intelligent takes and answers, not drunk ones.
Alcohol is never a plus, when a professional environment is the goal.
Nah Drink Champs is wassup. Math is poppin bc he puts out long clips that are enjoyable. With Drink Champs you have to actually watch the whole interview. And this "PAUSE" shit is getting ridiculous. Can't even have a conversation.
🤣🤣🤣 there's a difference why they drink, brings the truth out. True reason I don't watch this show just clips is they trying to be something they ain't they show don't feel authentic they want to be white professionals 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️ #DrinkChamps #TruthComesOut
@@DiaabAmin I feel you on the pause shit. But Nore doesn't allow his guests to answer questions when he's drunk. He's always interrupting them. That's what I hate about the liquor being involved in that podcast.
Club shay shay is the best
Not to mention 10 scoring titles defensive player of the year he 6 finals mvp it’s not even close JORDAN IS THE GOAT
Kobe the Goat you crazy Jordan wa sin the coke era Kobe played against straight athletes
@@Ricodell89 🧢🧢🧢he got carried by Shaq the first 3 Shaq got 3 finals mvp
@@Ricodell89 Kobe not even higher then Lebron
@@Ricodell89factual
@@albgamin410 to y'all Goofies 🤣 ask NBA current and former players they taking Kobe over goofy ass lebum 🤣🤣💯💯
They had a euro step back in a day but they didn't call it that. They just did the move and went back on defense lol
I like how Dwight keeps saying pause when nobody in the room is even thinking that it’s even gay lol 😂
Kobe never left or switched or bitched he’s the best hands down rip 👑kb24👑
wym? didn't he demand a trade?
@@24Jabbafacts Kobe demanded a trade to get away from Shaq to prove his greatness lebron demands trades to get other great players to team up & call himself the greatest it’s a difference
whatever makes you feel better i guess.@@2rawww4tvkd
Kobe all day, & Kareem don't get the credit he deserves, the skyhook dominated the league for decades
What people don’t realize is that Kareem use to shoot those skyhooks not only around the rim but also from the around free throw line. 20ft skyhooks. That shot still can’t be duplicated by any player.
Yes Kobe over LeBron any day Dwight is hilariouswit his pause game 😂😂
Even Though LeBron Smashed His Ass 16-6 In Head to Head Battles....You FANS Are Casual and Funny ASF 😂😂😂😂😂🤷🏿♂️
KOBE top 2 ever!
4:18 Dwight: _"Literally everything Michael Jordan did, Kobe Bryant did times two...🤨. Jordan was a midrange shooter, Kobe could shoot 3s... Jordan wasn't as efficient shooting 3s as Kobe."_ 🤦🏻♂ MJ shot 32,7% from 3 vs 32,9% for Kobe, which is NEAR IDENTICAL! Additionally, Kobe attempted 4,1 3s per game compared to MJ's 1,7. This played a role in Kobe's microscopically improved efficiency.
Great conversation. Great arguments.🎉
As hard as MJ played I believe he seemed to still possess something else others don’t have. Take his final game vs Utah that last (1) minute of that game. He went somewhere mentally that I don’t think others have. They call it heart or will to win.
Complete push off on that shot!!!!
@@yoyimarti2864 they didn’t call it. Just like they didn’t call it against Reggie miller when he barreled into MJ chest when he hit the 3 to send to game 7. The way the game was called back then. Refs didn’t wanna be part of the storyline no matter what. Right wrong or indifferent that’s the way the game was
Yea but that's ridiculous to basically say only MJ had the heart to win out of all the athletes to ever play any kind of sport. I love Mj too but he's human and he had his challenges too.
@@RooflessVillain of course he had his challenges. I’m not a Kobe, LeBron hater. I don’t even like these debates cause I love all these guys but IMO MJ had an extra gear. When Kobe was averaging 35 ppg dominating the sport he shot his team out of games. LeBron didn’t always assert his will. He’s done it but not consistently. Even though I’d take him over Kobe
Where was that "WILL TO WIN" Against Larry Bird????
Jordan did have a step back and has did a euro step quite a few times. Jordan showed how efficient he was from three during the 92 and 93 seasons especially the postseason. Dwight is young
Jordan 91, 92, and 93 postseasons shot 38% from three.
He shot 43% from three in ‘96
Jordan had a step back and a better 3pt % than Kobe
I’m a Jordan fan but y’all die hard Stan’s are delusional
@@RicoSoprano_ nah just seen him play from start to finish. You weren't even born!
Math def got me listening more often than I do Joe Rogan which says something.
Good stuff.
F joe Rogan u act like that's saying something
I liked Rogan more before his move to Spotify. Had better guests and more interesting. But still good
11:07 That pause was funny as hell 😂😂😂
Cam and Mase have revolutionized the way grown men talk amongst each other 😂😂😂😂
Kobe was the hardest worker, the most studious of the game. He dedicated his whole career to studying and copying MJ. Despite all his efforts, he's still the 2nd shooting guard ever. He played 20 years trying to be better than MJ. Fell short. Personally, he's my #2 all-time.
Kobe 💪🖤
When Howard went to LA with Kobe, Phil was no longer coaching, and Howard was coming off a back injury which he came back too early from.
Great analogy w Greatest vs Best 👨🏾🏫
Great point Dwight...another reason why MJ is the 🐐. He did all that he did IN A CROWDED PAINT era. While shooting minimal 3s. Both BEAN and Bron shot damn near 5k more 3s than Mike. Yet MJ and BEAN have the same career 3pt pct at around 33% and Bron for his career is around 34-35 % I believe.
yeah they shot way more 3s and have the same or better percentage from 3. your percentage decreases if you take more shots
@tridra5714 - not true, your 3 pt % typically increases with more attempts. Especially compared to it you’re shooting less than 1 3 a game like they did back then.
And also, nobody cared about their 3 pt % so a lot of those attempts were last second heaves. Now players wait for the clock to go off before shooting the ball
@@nydibs That part🎯
They also played against way better competition and defenders. Kobe had to face an elite defender every night in the west. Had to go against the spurs, kings, , suns, Portland, mavs, just to get into the finals
@@tridra5714 What’s interesting is the more 3s MJ took, the better he shot them.
9:53 best player of all time MJ all inclusive and wild clutch! He’s the blueprint he took dr. J energy and theatrics and bawsed like no other
I can’t believe an NBA player, played basketball his whole life, so called student of the game can’t accurately analyze MJ Vs Kobe..
Honestly u are not qualified to critique his opinion
He may not articulate himself well but he knows better than most people on the planet
@@yannickscott2234 He articulated his point just fine . What he said was “ Everything Michael did, Lobe did times 2” … That’s not only not accurate, it’s straight up silly. And a little food fer thought . Whether a person is right, or wrong, is superfluous. Everyone is entitled to critique another’s opinion ! …The word itself says it all …..Opinion . Differing opinions is how we learn. Have a blessed day!
Let me help you break it down then..
Kobe was more skilled version of Mj while Mj was 2% more efficient in scoring but let’s talk about it..
Kobe did everything MJ but a bit better except one thing
Ball handling, Kobe had much better ball handling skills than Mj.
Kobe mastered the footwork, Hakeem said Kobe had the best footwork he’s ever seen. Meanwhile Hakeem teaches footwork. Said Kobe asked him to show him some things and Hakeem told him “there’s nothing I could show him that he hasn’t already displayed” Kobe was a better shot created, difficult shot maker, they both were great mid range shooter with guys all over them but Kobe could shoot the 3 ball. He was a threat on more areas on the court than MJ was, defense? Ok MJ has 1 defensive player award I give him that but..Kobe has 9 first team defenses made and 12 overall.. that’s an NBA record so he was just as good as MJ on defense and he never had a defender like pippen to Gaurd the opposing teams best player. Kobe always had to Gaurd the best player even if they were a point Gaurd, SG or Small Forward. He’s had to Gaurd quick 6ft killers like Iverson and tall 6’9 players like Tmac
@@amifiii265 So Kobe had more skills then MJ? I can see how someone might that argument..and maybe right, but as similar as they both were, there was also vast differences..1st Kobe simply didn’t possess the physical gifts that MJ had . Also , as MJ got older , he became far more surgical then Kobe.. MJ never waisted steps .Kobe’s made reference to that several times over the years.. Kobe was a better 3 point shooter then MJ ( to be fair to both of them tho, there wasn’t nearly the emphasis on the 3 pointer when they played.. Mike was a better Mid range shooter .. No matter how u slice it, love em both
He can but Jordan stans will cut you off...Kobe is probably most skilled player the game has seen and like he said he could do everything at another level than Jordan skill wise.
No need for the “Pause” Dwight.. We know already 😂😂
The two years including the one where Kobe got MVP, is the peak in terms of defensive era. That is what caused the NBA to just completely abandon defense. Scoring was at an all-time low include all the offensive metrics like number of possessions, etc. Oh and by the way, the 40+ scoring streak, 81 pts game, and 60 in 3 quarter vs best defensive team also happened during this low era.
Correction: I would not call it peak defensive era, more accurately is that those few years were the worst for scoring in NBA history.
KOBE
My favorite baller will forever be the Mamba
People act like Jordan only played 6 seasons in the league. What about the other 7 seasons he struggled just like any other NBA great. You can’t just erase a player struggles just because he’s your favorite player
FOH his teammates struggle.....
Stop it man!!! Did you watch Jordan live or only highlights
that goes along with alot of other players in this league, if were gonna talk about all the wins..you better be prepared to talk about the losses but him going back to back is unprecedented... thats legendary
To be fair, the three pointer era when Jordan was playing was no where near what is today. I think Kobe introduced us todays three point era and Stephen Curry took it to another level
This was gold, I don't really agree with his list but it was definitely entertaining..
Dwight could of been one of the goats he was Giannis mixed w Shaq.
Dwight is the 2nd most athletic center behind Wilt. 🙏🏾
He was the one guy I thought could stop LeBron early on and he never stepped up. Smh
@@KingJRZJHe did it with the Magic in 2009
Big facts 💯. Its a huge difference between greater and better. Bill Russell was greater than Wilt. But Wilt was a better player
Bill’s “team” was greater. If they’d been traded for one another, you would’ve never heard or Bill Russell. He averaged 15ppg.
@@mindbullyRight!
@@mindbully his team's bein greater made him greater. But like I said, Wilt was a better hooper
Can’t remember what year All-Star game it was but LBJ didn’t want no part of Kobe 💪🏾
Come on mate that’s an all star game and I’m a Kobe fan😂you’re reaching for anything
@@raymondsims7042 go back and watch the All-Star game Kobe was literally tell LBJ come on let’s go and LBJ didn’t want no part he literally passed the ball 🤣🤣🤣
Go and watch the 2013 All-Star game Kobe locked down LBJ and he was talking trash to LBJ bro LBJ didn’t want no smoke 💨
@@kingbrutus1804😂 REACHING LOL CHECK THEIR HEAD TO HEAD MATCHUPS
@@QuietStorm263 Kobe got 5 rings to LBJ barley 4 rings 😂
Great Content
At 10:11 LITERALLY made ME press the thumbs up button on this video!!! I've NEVER thought about it like that.... GoodShiiiii
It's funny how when he was comparing Kobe to Jordan as soon as Jordan was up he was like a two different areas. Either going to compare them or not
Exactly
Kobe humbled prime Howard in the finals when he got dunked on😂
Guarantee he didn’t care, he was the best defensive player in the league of course he got dunked on
He def cared, he has a whole interview about Kobe being the first to welcome him to the league with a monster poster.
That wasn't in the finals that was Dwight rookie year
@@bmills6176 indeed, reg season in Orlando too
And then sucked when prime Dwight played with him
They always make excuses when it comes to Russell as if he wouldn't have been dominant in Jordan's era.
He wouldn't have .....nobody had more help then Bill.....Sam Jones had 10 Havelchich had like 8....etc
Interestingly, Bill Russell only had to win around 24 playoff series for his 11 rings whereas MJ had to win 24 playoff series for his 6 rings.
Jokaz is hilarious with the Pause🤣 ........Kareem
Oh the Greek freak pause lol😅😅😅😅
When Dwight Howard says "pause" its only so he can take another couple of seconds envisioning the scenario he just said "pause" about.
😂😂😂😂
You got it 😂😂😂
For me mj and kobe are my G.O.A.T's. They were cut from the same cloth. Nobody since them has had the same kind of will and determination to be the best at the thing they love most. Ive seen many interviews of nba players saying there was a sort of fear knowing they was gonna have to play mj or kobe. I dont think any nba player has said that about lebron.
Exactly 💯
Cap 🧢
Kareem's Sky Hook is unblockable!! Point Blank!!
This one finna be hellllllla funny 😂😂😂😂
Math, the interviews definitely b mathin 👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏👏
Saying Kobe did everything Mike did times 2 is not only the worst take ever, but literally the opposite of what occurred.
Bruh that man Kobe the Walmart version of MJ. Ever since he died they’re extra kind to him
He meant skill not accomplishments
@@Lu_Williams Indeed. There’s nothing that substantially supports Kobe being a better player than Jordan, beyond personal preference.
@@z-mane1438 He isn’t twice as skilled as Jordan. That’s a laughable assertion.
@@mindbully I disagree. If you look at his entire body of work there's a lot. MJ wasnt good enough to come out of high school. Kobe was. He also won 3 chips by the time he was 23. Climbed back to the top of the mountain and won 2 more. You also have to consider how ridiculous his numbers would have been if he never played with Shaq for 7 years. His numbers would probably have surpassed MJ's.
Lebron actually outscored Kareem in less games Dwight was wrong about that take
Kareem hit 2 3’s in his career lol.
This is why debating with Jordan fans is annoying at times and redundant, 6 rings is their argument for him being number one to them but in the same breath they disregard Bill Russell’s 11 rings saying the era was different so it was easy for him but god forbid you say the same exact thing about Mike’s era and how it was easy for him when being compared to others like Lebron or Kobe. Todays era is filled with far more skilled players as a whole and the game itself is more difficult from a skill perspective because majority of the league has players equipped with the skill to score in bunches and make defensive plays whether starter or rotation player.
Honestly, if someone wanted to use just rings, Bill Russell is the only player you could clearly put above MJ. Everyone else it's easy to see why they're not #1. That puts his floor at #2 without considering anything else involving basketball that doesn't include rings.
As far as the argument Mike's era was weak the current one is strong and filled with skilled players, it's pretty easy to refute that especially for Lebron and Kobe. For skills, the NBA itself has said over and over it's changed rules to make scoring easier for wing players. They changed the rules and surprise surprise, more wing players started being the best players in the league. A lot of offensive moves today were just straight illegal in MJ's era and before. It's like arguing And1 players were more skilled than NBA players when And1 was having their heyday. No, they weren't more skilled, they just didn't have the same rules. When they went under NBA rules, they didn't do shit. I won't argue the 3, but it's not a shock that once the NBA started making sure 3pt shooters got landing space we all of a sudden got this explosion of 3s from everyone.
For competition, gotta let that one go too. The winners from most of Kobe/Lebron's era played at the tail end of MJ's era and they weren't bringing any smoke. There was no sudden overthrow of MJ and Bulls with new era talent. Shaq and Co. got worked by MJ and Bulls even when Shaq had a squad. Duncan and squad won while young and old across both Kobe/Bron's era. Shaq started the era and won while old with Wade. Dirk beat Bron directly when old with a lesser talented squad. Somehow today's players are more skilled and competition harder, but 38 y/o Duncan giving them work like he'd been doing his whole career? 33 y/o Dirk working more skilled KD and Westbrook and prime Bron and Wade? If this era is more skilled, how come during most of Kobe/Bron's era, their biggest competition was from older players (many of whom actually played against MJ)?
Interestingly, Bill Russell only had to win around 24 playoff series for his 11 rings whereas MJ had to win 24 playoff series for his 6 rings.
@@gumballwaterson1957 You can easily name rotation players from today who are better than starters from MJs era…easily. You cannot even name 5 reputable rivals of his at his position who played in the league during his time who were actually really good competition. When he played Shaq, Shaq was very young and a far smaller/slimmer version of who he eventually formed to be during his dominant years. Tim Duncan wasn’t 38 doing anything to anyone in the league…at all…he also isn’t from MJs era, he came into the league the year before Mike retired. Dirk wasn’t old when he won, he also didn’t have a lesser talented roster when he won, Miami’s roster during the first year was a bunch of old cheap veterans alongside 3 young stars. The skilled players come in bunches and play each other on a nightly basis therefor the competition is spread out throughout the league and not just sprinkled here and there with one player being able to dominate because he plays for the best team in the league(who still made it to the finals without him). No matter what you say about the previous era, nothing they hold onto or we’re doing back then took an immense amount of skill especially defensively when all they did was foul and fight, no real skill involved. What rules were changed specifically for wing players? You’re just making things up, i can provide you with the entire list of rule changes that have been made in the league and none make todays league easier than prior or specifically easier to score. A 3 point shooter simply having feet space to land properly does not prevent shots from being contested nor blocked, it makes it harder which requires more SKILL and proper positioning and timing to contest or block the shot without fouling. Not being able to grab someone and hold them requires more SKILL due to having to get to a spot before the handler to prevent them from progressing towards the basket. Not being able to stand still in the paint to block shots requires more SKILL due to the rim protector having to rotate and constantly move to not only check his man but be aware of other players driving as well. Here’s a list of the rule changes you claim helped make things “easier” for the era after MJ as well as some from his era…nothing is missing btw.
* 1984 - The 2-3-2 Finals format adopted, changing from 2-2-1-1-1 format
* 1988 - Number of referees permanently increased from two to three
* 1992 - Shot clock is reset only when ball hits the rim (previously it was reset if ball hit either the rim or backboard)
* 1994 - Three shots awarded for foul on 3-point attempt
* 1994 - 3-point line shortened to a uniform 22 feet around the basket
* 1997 - 3-point line lengthened to original 23 feet, 9 inches, except in the corners where the distance remained at 22 feet
* 1997 - A “no-charge” area established with a half circle with a 4-foot radius measured from middle of goal
* 2000 - Timeouts increased from six to seven, fourth-period timeouts increased from three to four
* 2001 - Illegal defense eliminated and zone defense allowed. Defensive 3-second rule prohibits defensive player from being in lane without guarding offensive player
* 2001 - The time to advance ball past midcourt reduced from 10 seconds to 8 seconds
* 2002 - Instant replay implemented for review of certain last-second plays
* 2007-15 - Expansion of instant replay every year except 2010-11
* 2017 - Timeouts reduced from nine to seven per team per game with no more than two after the 3-minute mark of the fourth quarter
* 2018 - Shot clock reset to 14 after an offensive rebound rather than 24
Learn ball bro….watch ball…understand ball, before speaking about ball.
Don’t let nostalgia hold you back from intellectually progressing.
@@VitaminJay Nostalgia isn't holding me back from anything. "Weak" vs. "Strong" eras and "skilled" vs. "unskilled" actually takes some intellectual processing. I'd argue that the only time period one could objectively say is "weak" is the 70s because the top talent was split between the ABA and NBA. And it was clearly split because ABA players came directly into the NBA and won and were consistently top players in both leagues. I don't think there's a strong argument against that.
"Easily name 5 starters from today..." so? Based on what? Mike's era had rules that placed much more emphasis on strength in the interior. I could easily name starters today that are equal to or worse than rotation players back then simply because the style and rules. It's also factually true that some feats seen as "skill" today are simply rule violations in Mike's time. Just like Dikembe Mutombo was a "skilled" defender for his time by taking advantage of the no 3s defensive rules (or to a stronger degree Mark Eaton), Mutumbo and Eaton probably would be worse than many current rotation players for today's game.
"...5 reputable rivals of his at his time..." You're right. I could not name 5 SGs that were on Mike's level. I also can't name 5 shooting guards in the history of the NBA that I would consider Mike's "rivals". Maybe your definition is different than mine, but there are maybe 4 SGs in history who've had individual seasons that have rivaled Mike's let alone extended lengths of time or careers.
"Dirk wasn't old..." Dirk was 33 when he won. If that's not considered old to you, you have a different definition of "old" than most NBA fans, historians, and players. If you really want to say Dallas had comparable talent to Miami and the series was expected to be close, then we fundamentally don't see basketball the same at all. Next you'll tell me Miami had more talent than all their opponents this year too.
In '13 &'14, Duncan was anywhere from 1st-3rd best player on teams that went to the finals. He load managed a ton, but production-wise, was still one of the better/best PFs in the league. I'll concede that he wasn't doing much in his last 2 years, but 14 and 9 at 38 on a team with Lamarcus Aldridge isn't all that bad.
"...nothing they were doing...took an immense amount of skill". No, that "skill" was just less obvious than today or skills you don't/didn't like. Bob Cousy doesn't have dribbling skills compared to pretty much who's picked up a basketball in the last 25 years for the simple reason the rules were strict about the hand being on top of the ball. Player's "skills" adapt to whatever rules and just cause you can't recognize that doesn't mean it's not skill. You won't get any argument from me whatsoever about today's players being better 3pt shooters compared to any era. But guess what, if you took any 3pt specialist and instantly placed him in 1975, his shooting "skill" wouldn't mean much cause he'd just be a low shot percentage shooter.
Your argument about the difficulty in guarding a 3pt shooter works all types of ways. If it's harder to play defense because of the rules and that results in more skill being needed, then the exact opposite can be said when rules did not favor the offense. Harder to shoot a 3 when someone can hand check you or slide under your feet (using your logic). Does that mean offensive players are less skilled now than before? Since rules made it easier for offense, does that mean offenses are less skilled? Skill adapts to rules. Period.
Your list of rule changes is so incomplete I'm not going to spend time addressing it. It also doesn't include the most important part which is interpretation of the rules and "emphasis" that refs are given or using throughout the season. The "gather" step didn't exist officially in the rule book until maybe a half decade ago. 2 steps and a shot has evolved in interpretation for the entirety of NBA history.
I don't mind learning ball. I watch ball. I understand ball before I speak also. Disagreement is pretty normal even amongst HOF coaches (Phil Jackson vs. pretty much all of the modern NBA). Apply your advice to me to yourself.
He made great points.
Honestly mj and kobe are absolutely the same ...u can't say one is greater than the other because they r literally the SAME player...but when it comes to kobe or lebron that's an easier question and it's defintely kobe all day
#Kobe🐐