It does sadden me to see when unique races, characters, lore and more be slowly forgotten. Though on the flip side it brings a smile upon my face to see when Platinum makes another video shining some light on more lore of the Warcraft Universe.
@The Gaming Paladin it was mostly how they wasted an amazing chance of development with the Amathet. I was invested in that "titanic creatures uprising to return order to the world" concept. It felt like they could have been so much more, instead of a bunch of half baked quest chains and an event. Hell, the king of the Amathet was a fucking rare mob, and even in their own quests they get played by the Old Gods, to the point some random mob in Ny'alotha is called Amathet too. Sich a cool concept (much like the mantids) ruined by not wanting to nurture new potential threats instead of just forcing them into cannon fodder material.
It kind of makes sense when you have a game as old as wow to just make up a new race rather then trying to bring back an old one and figure out so what exactly what all the lore we wrote about these guys again? But it does make me sad. Remember Venari and those lads in the shadowlands? They could've been ethereals for instance.
N’zoth really should have had his own expansion where we saw the rise of all the old gods’ worshippers, like mantids, assaulting the Alliance and the Horde on all sides.
In the Paragon of the Klaxxi fight, Kil'ruk, the first mantid paragon you awaken, is the only one who doesn't threaten you. Before the fight, he gives you a warning(the other paragons mention this before the fight). He is also the LAST paragon that engages you, almost as if he is hesitant. As if he actually likes the player character and doesn't want to kill us because he's been with us the longest. My headcanon is that Kil'ruk only takes up his blades against us because we already killed several of his brothers and realizes he has a choice, let his brothers all die, or kill the player character.
Its because Mantid value strengh above all, if they fight a Pandaren that slays a lot of them, they won't kill him so that they can train against him in the next swarm (or his progeniture). They're respectful and ask the same treatment in return, they want people to respect their cycle and lifestyle because its their only goal in life. Kil'ruk has a deep appreciation for the main character and praises its strenght, he doesn't want to kill you because it would be such a waste !
Yes, correct. It made me sad to kill them, because they were respectful and understood what "honor" is. But we ended up on opposite sides. He himself says in one of the quests that he is "proud" to fight alongside you. And before he dies he says "Well fought, Wakener. We will meet again..." SoO was wonderfully designed, but also a very sad raid, because we had to kill characters which were a part of our journey - The Fallen Protectors, Nazgrim, Paragons, even Garrosh himself.
5:38 one of my favourite scenes in the lore. After skipping through all of the quest text to exalted, hearing the Paragons basically telling the player "hey, we're cool after all those dailies, but we're actually really bad guys" was really interesting and made me go back to find out their lore.
I think a major point of annoyance for me with the way Blizzard writes expansions, is the throwaway races they add every expansion and then NEVER revisit in future works. There are so many things they could do with some of these races if they just took the time to weave them into a larger narrative over more than one expansion.
Yeah i can see the mole people never ever mattering again. Though in fairness I like that drogbar pop up here and there again. I think it would’ve just been a bit better to see a drogbar city in the dragon isles because they’re already fairly well established
or broken lore quest, we still do not have a conclusion on the quest with th orphan child with the toy dragon, in the cavens of time, that the dragon gards want to kill, for somthing she will do or not do in the future. I cant imagen that the orginal quest creator still work at Blizzard, or the lore note is preserved, after all this time.
I really love all the insectoids from Warcraft's history: the silithids, the A'qir, the Klaxxi, and the Nerubians. I was so disappointed that we didn't actually get to go into the Nerubians' kingdom in Wrath, and keeping hoping for a return to these buggy bois in the future.
Maybe a void expansion could bring us there sometime? With the recent underground zone they just made, doesn’t seem too far out of reach to finally get to see their kingdoms in full. I’m truly hoping with Galakrond potentially coming back, maybe his ties to the void and old gods could tie in the void expansion finally? All just fan speculation. Don’t even play retail anymore but I can’t say I’ll ever stop watching where the story goes! Cheers
@@peeko_luxx2873 With the recent human heritage armor quest showing that Blizzard *can* actually pick up decade-old plot threads and weave them into a compelling story, it gives me hope that they'll continue to do that in the future.
The Nerubian tunnels were actually cut content that was intended to be a huge underground zone in Wrath. They didn't have time to finish them, so Ahn'Kahet and Azjol'Nerub are all we got to see.
@@modelcitizenvlad Yeah. Considering that the still-living Nerubians are out there, somewhere, it would be interesting to see them make a comeback if there's ever a resurgence of the Old Gods. And maybe, finally, we'd get to see Azjol'Nerub in all its modern glory.
There is a reason why I modeled one of my most successful Empires in Stellaris after the Mantid, their lore and story is really cool, and it really fits with the whole "Tree of Life" origin in the game.
@@alias6149 Hive mind, Catalytic Processors(Amber), Tree of Life Origin(Kypari Trees), Strong, Intelligent, Unruly, Quarrelsome, Tropical or Continental World, Plantoid aesthetics, custom Planet Names, and Single Star System, no Gas Giant Moon.
One thing you forgot to mention about the mantid in Battle of Azeroth is they were led by a new queen who was the daughter of the one from MoP. But unlike her mother who was controlled by the Sha of Fear, she joined N'zoth willingly, because the mantid worship the Old Gods. She also became a world boss during the Mantid Assault.
@@pastelprincess2018 Oh they do. But it's the Old Gods being dormant and the Mantid still say they will join them because it's the right coice that makes the mantid seem willing.
Honestly, their straight forwardness with everyone makes them likeable. "Wakener, when the time comes, we hope you join our side" and the "well fought, wakener" makes it seem like it's an honor for them to die by your hand. This makes sense considering their survival of the fittest mindset.
@The Gaming Paladin - What exactly do you mean by "neutral"? They were ALWAYS on the Old Gods' side, it's explicitly stated. They simply accepted our help against a common threat, while still waiting for their masters' return as usual. Even when exalted with them they threaten you with death if you don't join their side when the time comes. lol
@The Gaming Paladin - Considering the Old Gods' goal is pretty straight-forward and the Mantid live only to be ready to fulfill it (not using their powers for good or anything), I'd say they're very clearly disciples of an inherent evil. They can still be evil without being raving psychopaths who spit curses at you. =)
@@mokarokas-1727 I'd say they're more pragmatic than evil - they know the Old God's are sealed and their primary God is dead, so no point is there to adhere to that kind of worship over strengthening your old over your dominion, not after what the trolls did to Kith'ix, anyways. They're a pretty morally grey race, and that's what I like about them. To them, swarming is but ensuring the empire remains strong, and the wisest among them called for crisis when the swarm began ten years too early and all stops wear pulled by the Empress. If they were truly evil they'd just let that happen, but the Klaxxi know if they swarm Pandaria - they'd overtake it and then what? Suddenly you just disposed of your primary method of keeping balance, a tradition that's been upheld for ages. It's why the Klaxxi are especially willing to accept outside aid as they know the value we possess, especially as one among them reawoke the Paragons before Shek'zara got to them.
Bruh, I'll bet money Le'shin knew damn well the mantid would fly over the wall. He's the Thunder King. Having an entire army of bugs flying in the air, pretty much made them easy targets for him to obliterate. So at least while he was around, it wasn't that bad an idea.
The Mantid were easily one of my favorite races lore wise that have ever been added to WoW. So happy to see a video on them! I was so sad when we had to kill the Paragons in the Siege of Orgrimmar but like they said…we mantid serve a purpose far greater than theirs or their gods. On the real though, it is insane that the Pandaren managed to live in a land dominated by 3 of the strongest races that possibly ever lived on Azeroth (mogu/mantid/Zandalari). The story of the Shado-Pan is also extremely badass.
God damn that was one stellar voice performance by the Mantid ! props to whomever voiced him and also to those in charge of the effects ! I really appreciate the amount of worldbuilding and lore and how much care was given to them back then, I love MoP for these reason more then gameplay itself !
The mantid are one of my all-time favorite races from WoW, and I loved questing with and getting to know the Paragons with their different personalities. They were one of the few examples I enjoyed them both as enemies to slaughter or allies to help. And thus, I was so upset when the Paragons became raid bosses; yes, they were psychotic, but they were my friends too! In my head canon I saw the bow that drops from them as a parting gift to my hunter who quested with them, and to this day she still proudly wears the title Wakener. Thank you for this video covering them and reminding me of the good times I had with them and the fan fiction I wrote about them!
It's really funny since they even fully admit that they are NOT your friends - come the return of the Old God's they're happy to return to their old worship, that being said they hope you heed their warning and join them, as helpful as you've been for sustaining their race. So when they see you in that raid it's a mix of disappointment and understanding - you were given that choice and you've made that choice, so it's the Wakener versus the very Paragons he rescued - insects you got to know but alas know they knew fully well it would come to blows eventually. And that's what I love about the Mantid. They're unapologetic about their origins but pragmatic in the current age. If only BFA capitalized on potential schism and concerns after the tragedy of their empire during MoP...
I was one of those people who got really invested in the mantid as a concept and was sad when they never really got explored further. Particularly the paragon Kil'ruk's dying words of "we will meet again" always got me theorizing where and when we would see the paragons again, whether it would be in often hinted at Nya'lotha or the Shadowlands. Unfortunately both have come and gone and these words have still yet to be followed up on.
Mists of Pandaria was underrated and I hate that people pretended to hate it so much while it was live. It arguably had some of the best writing out of most of the expansions. Also... I figured Scythid were just regular ass animals, seeing as they were only present in maybe 1/5 of the entire map of Dragonflight lol. I spent so long in the bad fanfiction that was Shadowlands that I forgot to associate bugs with the Old Gods.
I just feel like what people remember the most about MoP was how homogenised and samey all the classes got with all the changes along with how incredibly unbalanced PvP was. Oh and also pandas. Overall the expansion was actually pretty good. Same with WoD, Warlords is imo a great expansion just let down by its unfulfilled promises and cut content. The leveling experience in WoD is probably the best expansion ever released and it also has probably the best raid ever put out in Blackrock Foundry. Hellfire Citadel is also an all time great raid.
@@Noobie2k7 Idk I thought the classes themselves weren't that bad off (PVE-wise since I don't like PVP and can't speak much on it). The talent system made me unhappy, and I will give credit to people complaining about that. The absence of actual builds was a very real issue. WoD was definitely a massive blow for cut content though, you're right. We were supposed to fight orcs, not demons. Blackrock Foundry was so damn cool in both design and execution, absolutely. I'm glad I'm not the only one that had positive feelings for portions of that expansion.
Except garrosh. I mean they really did the horde too dirty and that was 50% of their base. The bombing of the ramirez was bad itself and t was made worse.
As i was majorly disappointed in Cata, when MoP got released i quickly jumped on the bandwagon of hate, but learned to love it. It is actually the last expansion i played through completely and can honestly say it is one of the best WoW experiences i got.
Thank you for doing a video on the Mantid! They’re my favorite race in WoW and I’ve gotten 4 characters fully to exalted with them and I plan to do more. I really hope they’re utilized if the old gods come back up, and Kil’ruk has a line about meeting us again, maybe the Paragons could be revived 👀 I’d love to see them again, even if it is as tragic raid bosses.
I said before Warcraft movie was released, I've said it many times since and I will keep saying it! Imagine if there was a TV Series based on Warcraft Lore. Heck, we could get multiple shows/spin offs focusing on different races/factions/time periods/continents etc.. etc..
@@MoonTurky Yeah, it's not like everything is set in stones and nothing can be changed when adopting to a live action show. We are talking about characters here, their journey can (and almost every time) be changed for a movie or tv show. Heck Blizz retcons their own stuff within the game every few years.
Hey Platinum! Something you overlooked about their role in Visions of N’zoth! After N’zoth emerged he resurrected the slain Klaxxi and empowered them with the void. We never actually fight the Klaxxi however and presumably they’re still in the Dread Wastes
To be totally honest a whole mantid themed expansion would be cool. They could do some shit like the zerg in SC, or it would be neat to play with them as a playable race.
I didn't play MoP, but as I came back to the game for WoD and leveled through the Dread Wastes I ended up being really interested in the klaxxi stuff and returned later to finish the reputation (for the mount) but I loved their story too. The old god reveal was some cool shit. Really hope to see them again, definitely one of my favorite races/factions.
I started my journey during MoP and I loved the expansion for the most part. The Klaxxi were my first reputation grind since I got quite invested in the Lore behind them and wanted to know more, The Mantis and Mogu were very interesting and well implemented unfortunately they were yet another race to be forgotten and left behind. I'm curious if they will make a retcon regarding N'zoth or Y'sharaj(?) and give the Mantis another chance to shine.
Logically they´re probably in absolute shambles, massive losses during MoP with the Sha of Fear/Paragons siding with Garrosh, and then mere years later their relatively fresh Empress gets put down during the Nzoth incursions where they threw their lot in again. People forget that new Empress you get into power during MoP was a worldboss at the end of BFA.
"They're territorial and aggressive" just reminds me of one of my favorite shitposts from the LOL subreddit, that had (among other stuff) "let's see how they updated the lore: 'he has a dark and mysterious past' damn, a solid 2 words above average, the lore team really worked overtime for this one" 😆 Anyway, as someone who knows about Mantid only very slightly less than about other races (they appeared in Hearthstone, and that's my main source of info - in fact, I went into this video expecting it to be a top 10 or however many of most forgotten villains, and ready to say that I know all/some from HS 😅), TLthis was really interesting insight, and well presented! 👍
It always gave me a smile when entering the paragons fight in SoO and then recognizing the wakener. All those dailies from early on gave me a slight nostalgia.
I grinded their reputation to exalted and got my Amber Scorpion mount when that content was still current and it was one of the few factions where I actually enjoyed doing the daily quests.
Man, MoP really was my favourite era of Wow, and it's not close. (I played from wotlk) I was as bummed as everyone after the initial trailer, but everything they did, storywise, raid wise, even class wise to a, point was really great.
The Mantid stand out to me as as Warcraft villains in that they truly feel like a noble adversary. They honor your help to them but make it clear where their allegiances lie and warn you that they WILL stand against you when the time comes. And when that time came and were defeated, they praise your valor for being willing to fighr the battle they warned you against.
This is a great video, i have always loved these bug guys since i returned to WoW durning MoP and its great to see the lore all in one place. keep up the great work
The mantid never joined Garosh, they were just drawn to the heart of the old god. They were basically raiding Orgrimmar the same time the players were.
Imagine that due to the mantids' increase of strength after each swarm that a paragon wakes up to find, he's only as strong as your average foot soldier
More videos please. Your videos are insightful, drawing and awsome as far as content and how playful and entertaining they are to me and other viewers I'm almost certain. Thank you for your content.
The Mantid are one of my very fave factions. Pandaria's lore is underrated as it is, but these guys were especially awesome The first faction in Pandaria I got to Exalted for the title, iirc This Wakener would've totally joined them
Somebody should've told the Klaxxi that we've already bodybagged two old gods (at the time of MoP, C'Thun and Yogg) so maybe they're on the wrong side.
Man I love MoP lore, it was so cool to bring back Y'shaarj in form of 7 different beings and actually kill them one after another throughout the expansion. It gave lot of the content a nice continuation and more investment than say the current last boss of Abberus raid who's name i can't even remember, and he's seemingly communicating/drawing power from some old gods which should be pretty damn exciting, yet i'd rather fight another Sha or Sha-controlled mantid.
MoP is probably my top, maybe second, expansion. The mantid and Klaxxi were so awesome and I enjoyed following their story and eventually becoming their enemy. I'm with yah on being upset at their lack of additional use.
Hey have you got any lore about the Pygmy race? They appear once in Goblin starting zone, we get a few quests to deal with them and then they never appear again
Pygmy's also appear in Uldum but nowhere else aside from Goblin starting zone to my knowledge. They mostly serve as a minor thorn in your side, more of an annoyance than a real threat. Strangely, they appear somewhat similar to Murlocs behavioral-wise. They seem to worship anything that is stronger than them and are primitive and show little to no desire to advance technologically. Despite this, the Pygmy's are less isolationist than the Murlocs and actually seem to mingle with the other races of the world, though only to a certain degree.
“Now, watch them attack me. Pitiful! Do they think to take vengeance for their fallen? Do they come to challenge ME? I, who have won a hundred wars? I, who stood alone against thousands and still shouted for my enemies to come? No, these saurok will crumple before me like paper before the flame!” - Skeer the Bloodseeker, A Mantid Warrior
I am so pleased you made a video about the Mantid! I have been thinking about them so much recently because funnily enough, I had this really clear memory of interacting with insect/humanoid entities somewhere and I could not for the life of me remember where - then I see this video! I really wanted to find them again and now I have. I'm a sort of casual player with some breaks in between playing times so I sort of forgot their name (so your video title is apparently correct) but I had such a strong idea that they definitely existed ha!
It's pretty funny that they made them mantis-based, when they're CLEARLY meant to invoke the vibes of LOCUSTS (queen hierarchy from bees/ants notwithstanding)
Man I remember starting when Pandaria was halfway there to the legion expansion, I specifically focused on the mantid beast tribe cause I really wanted their mount, and I of course achieved it, but it also made me really REALLY want a Mantid as a playable race, Bug people as a concept would be really fun to have, but sadly that was more then likely never going to happen, and it didn't. Still though I remember the Mantid fondly in my lackluster experience with WoW in general
Well, the Qijraji probably got further decimated by Sargeras sword slamming into their neighborhood and in BFA you kinda put down that new Mantid Empress you put into power during MoP as a world boss. Nerubians got a slight chance though at a comeback, BFAs island expedition had one with some living ones, that living one from WOTLK remains unaccounted for and the remaining undead ones should be free of any influence with the Scourge completely uncontrolled/any Jailer influence gone with his death.
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It does sadden me to see when unique races, characters, lore and more be slowly forgotten. Though on the flip side it brings a smile upon my face to see when Platinum makes another video shining some light on more lore of the Warcraft Universe.
Yeah, BfA made an awful mess out of them. Just like with the tol'vir. Both were awesome.
Da hell u a time travel or what? Your comment is an hour old yet the video got uploaded only 30 mins ago
@The Gaming Paladin it was mostly how they wasted an amazing chance of development with the Amathet. I was invested in that "titanic creatures uprising to return order to the world" concept. It felt like they could have been so much more, instead of a bunch of half baked quest chains and an event. Hell, the king of the Amathet was a fucking rare mob, and even in their own quests they get played by the Old Gods, to the point some random mob in Ny'alotha is called Amathet too.
Sich a cool concept (much like the mantids) ruined by not wanting to nurture new potential threats instead of just forcing them into cannon fodder material.
At least we get to fight Kael'Thas 3 different times.
It kind of makes sense when you have a game as old as wow to just make up a new race rather then trying to bring back an old one and figure out so what exactly what all the lore we wrote about these guys again? But it does make me sad. Remember Venari and those lads in the shadowlands? They could've been ethereals for instance.
N’zoth really should have had his own expansion where we saw the rise of all the old gods’ worshippers, like mantids, assaulting the Alliance and the Horde on all sides.
In the Paragon of the Klaxxi fight, Kil'ruk, the first mantid paragon you awaken, is the only one who doesn't threaten you. Before the fight, he gives you a warning(the other paragons mention this before the fight). He is also the LAST paragon that engages you, almost as if he is hesitant.
As if he actually likes the player character and doesn't want to kill us because he's been with us the longest.
My headcanon is that Kil'ruk only takes up his blades against us because we already killed several of his brothers and realizes he has a choice, let his brothers all die, or kill the player character.
Its because Mantid value strengh above all, if they fight a Pandaren that slays a lot of them, they won't kill him so that they can train against him in the next swarm (or his progeniture). They're respectful and ask the same treatment in return, they want people to respect their cycle and lifestyle because its their only goal in life. Kil'ruk has a deep appreciation for the main character and praises its strenght, he doesn't want to kill you because it would be such a waste !
He also appears in short story Death From Above
Yes, correct. It made me sad to kill them, because they were respectful and understood what "honor" is. But we ended up on opposite sides. He himself says in one of the quests that he is "proud" to fight alongside you. And before he dies he says "Well fought, Wakener. We will meet again..." SoO was wonderfully designed, but also a very sad raid, because we had to kill characters which were a part of our journey - The Fallen Protectors, Nazgrim, Paragons, even Garrosh himself.
5:38 one of my favourite scenes in the lore. After skipping through all of the quest text to exalted, hearing the Paragons basically telling the player "hey, we're cool after all those dailies, but we're actually really bad guys" was really interesting and made me go back to find out their lore.
I think a major point of annoyance for me with the way Blizzard writes expansions, is the throwaway races they add every expansion and then NEVER revisit in future works.
There are so many things they could do with some of these races if they just took the time to weave them into a larger narrative over more than one expansion.
Yeah i can see the mole people never ever mattering again. Though in fairness I like that drogbar pop up here and there again. I think it would’ve just been a bit better to see a drogbar city in the dragon isles because they’re already fairly well established
Exactly! Tuskarr, introduced in wotlk were so awesome! It is a shame they never reappeared :(
@@wesik06 wdym theyre back quite a bit in DF
isn't that what the allied race thing is about
or broken lore quest, we still do not have a conclusion on the quest with th orphan child with the toy dragon, in the cavens of time, that the dragon gards want to kill, for somthing she will do or not do in the future. I cant imagen that the orginal quest creator still work at Blizzard, or the lore note is preserved, after all this time.
I really love all the insectoids from Warcraft's history: the silithids, the A'qir, the Klaxxi, and the Nerubians. I was so disappointed that we didn't actually get to go into the Nerubians' kingdom in Wrath, and keeping hoping for a return to these buggy bois in the future.
Maybe a void expansion could bring us there sometime? With the recent underground zone they just made, doesn’t seem too far out of reach to finally get to see their kingdoms in full. I’m truly hoping with Galakrond potentially coming back, maybe his ties to the void and old gods could tie in the void expansion finally? All just fan speculation. Don’t even play retail anymore but I can’t say I’ll ever stop watching where the story goes! Cheers
@@peeko_luxx2873 With the recent human heritage armor quest showing that Blizzard *can* actually pick up decade-old plot threads and weave them into a compelling story, it gives me hope that they'll continue to do that in the future.
The Nerubian tunnels were actually cut content that was intended to be a huge underground zone in Wrath. They didn't have time to finish them, so Ahn'Kahet and Azjol'Nerub are all we got to see.
@@modelcitizenvlad Yeah. Considering that the still-living Nerubians are out there, somewhere, it would be interesting to see them make a comeback if there's ever a resurgence of the Old Gods. And maybe, finally, we'd get to see Azjol'Nerub in all its modern glory.
@@Maria_Erias There was a singular uncorrupted hive lord nerubian in BFA but the players killed it during an island expedition :/
There is a reason why I modeled one of my most successful Empires in Stellaris after the Mantid, their lore and story is really cool, and it really fits with the whole "Tree of Life" origin in the game.
RP is even better with the upcoming Galactic Paragons dlc.
Lmao , check fire emblem content:
Stellaris content
Check wow :
Stellaris content
"really cool" literlaly the most basic ass insectoids.
How did you build the empire?
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Klaxxid: "I told you not to call me that, Wakener"
he said to his sylvanas body pillow
I'm grabbing the camera
One thing you forgot to mention about the mantid in Battle of Azeroth is they were led by a new queen who was the daughter of the one from MoP. But unlike her mother who was controlled by the Sha of Fear, she joined N'zoth willingly, because the mantid worship the Old Gods. She also became a world boss during the Mantid Assault.
Willingly is i feel an overstatement... the Mantid i feel like are more forced into serving
@@pastelprincess2018 The flat out say that when the old gods return, they will serve. That seems pretty willing.
@@kyleellis1825 they are made by tje old gods, i can see how the mantid would have a hardwire to serve their masters like the other bug race [Quraji)
@@pastelprincess2018 Oh they do. But it's the Old Gods being dormant and the Mantid still say they will join them because it's the right coice that makes the mantid seem willing.
I haven't forgotten the mantid, they live rent free in my head.
Probably the most memorable story line for me that came out of Pandaria.
Honestly, their straight forwardness with everyone makes them likeable.
"Wakener, when the time comes, we hope you join our side" and the "well fought, wakener" makes it seem like it's an honor for them to die by your hand. This makes sense considering their survival of the fittest mindset.
Ive never thought of that before, huh
Paragon of the Klaxxi was a great twist in the story and a great raid fight
Honestly, I didn't want to kill the klaxxi 🥺 They are nice people
@The Gaming Paladin - What exactly do you mean by "neutral"? They were ALWAYS on the Old Gods' side, it's explicitly stated. They simply accepted our help against a common threat, while still waiting for their masters' return as usual. Even when exalted with them they threaten you with death if you don't join their side when the time comes. lol
@The Gaming Paladin - Considering the Old Gods' goal is pretty straight-forward and the Mantid live only to be ready to fulfill it (not using their powers for good or anything), I'd say they're very clearly disciples of an inherent evil. They can still be evil without being raving psychopaths who spit curses at you. =)
I was kinda disappointed I had hoped their races corruption at the hands of the sha would open up their eyes to the nature of their "gods"
@@mokarokas-1727 I'd say they're more pragmatic than evil - they know the Old God's are sealed and their primary God is dead, so no point is there to adhere to that kind of worship over strengthening your old over your dominion, not after what the trolls did to Kith'ix, anyways.
They're a pretty morally grey race, and that's what I like about them. To them, swarming is but ensuring the empire remains strong, and the wisest among them called for crisis when the swarm began ten years too early and all stops wear pulled by the Empress. If they were truly evil they'd just let that happen, but the Klaxxi know if they swarm Pandaria - they'd overtake it and then what? Suddenly you just disposed of your primary method of keeping balance, a tradition that's been upheld for ages. It's why the Klaxxi are especially willing to accept outside aid as they know the value we possess, especially as one among them reawoke the Paragons before Shek'zara got to them.
Honestly, between the Mantid, the Mogu and the Sha as a whole, Pandaria has some really strong foes.
Bruh, I'll bet money Le'shin knew damn well the mantid would fly over the wall. He's the Thunder King. Having an entire army of bugs flying in the air, pretty much made them easy targets for him to obliterate. So at least while he was around, it wasn't that bad an idea.
I always thought that there was a sadness in the Klaxxi that reminded me of the Sin'dorei, I don't know why.
The Mantid were easily one of my favorite races lore wise that have ever been added to WoW. So happy to see a video on them!
I was so sad when we had to kill the Paragons in the Siege of Orgrimmar but like they said…we mantid serve a purpose far greater than theirs or their gods.
On the real though, it is insane that the Pandaren managed to live in a land dominated by 3 of the strongest races that possibly ever lived on Azeroth (mogu/mantid/Zandalari). The story of the Shado-Pan is also extremely badass.
God damn that was one stellar voice performance by the Mantid ! props to whomever voiced him and also to those in charge of the effects !
I really appreciate the amount of worldbuilding and lore and how much care was given to them back then, I love MoP for these reason more then gameplay itself !
The Scythid technically aren't even a race; they are categorized as beasts, mere animals. Was disappointed that I couldn't tame one on my hunter!
I assume they're at like Makrura level intelligence.
The mantid are one of my all-time favorite races from WoW, and I loved questing with and getting to know the Paragons with their different personalities. They were one of the few examples I enjoyed them both as enemies to slaughter or allies to help. And thus, I was so upset when the Paragons became raid bosses; yes, they were psychotic, but they were my friends too! In my head canon I saw the bow that drops from them as a parting gift to my hunter who quested with them, and to this day she still proudly wears the title Wakener. Thank you for this video covering them and reminding me of the good times I had with them and the fan fiction I wrote about them!
It's really funny since they even fully admit that they are NOT your friends - come the return of the Old God's they're happy to return to their old worship, that being said they hope you heed their warning and join them, as helpful as you've been for sustaining their race.
So when they see you in that raid it's a mix of disappointment and understanding - you were given that choice and you've made that choice, so it's the Wakener versus the very Paragons he rescued - insects you got to know but alas know they knew fully well it would come to blows eventually.
And that's what I love about the Mantid. They're unapologetic about their origins but pragmatic in the current age. If only BFA capitalized on potential schism and concerns after the tragedy of their empire during MoP...
I was one of those people who got really invested in the mantid as a concept and was sad when they never really got explored further. Particularly the paragon Kil'ruk's dying words of "we will meet again" always got me theorizing where and when we would see the paragons again, whether it would be in often hinted at Nya'lotha or the Shadowlands. Unfortunately both have come and gone and these words have still yet to be followed up on.
And they're never going to be relevant again
Mists of Pandaria was underrated and I hate that people pretended to hate it so much while it was live. It arguably had some of the best writing out of most of the expansions.
Also... I figured Scythid were just regular ass animals, seeing as they were only present in maybe 1/5 of the entire map of Dragonflight lol. I spent so long in the bad fanfiction that was Shadowlands that I forgot to associate bugs with the Old Gods.
I just feel like what people remember the most about MoP was how homogenised and samey all the classes got with all the changes along with how incredibly unbalanced PvP was. Oh and also pandas. Overall the expansion was actually pretty good. Same with WoD, Warlords is imo a great expansion just let down by its unfulfilled promises and cut content. The leveling experience in WoD is probably the best expansion ever released and it also has probably the best raid ever put out in Blackrock Foundry. Hellfire Citadel is also an all time great raid.
@@Noobie2k7 Idk I thought the classes themselves weren't that bad off (PVE-wise since I don't like PVP and can't speak much on it). The talent system made me unhappy, and I will give credit to people complaining about that. The absence of actual builds was a very real issue.
WoD was definitely a massive blow for cut content though, you're right. We were supposed to fight orcs, not demons. Blackrock Foundry was so damn cool in both design and execution, absolutely. I'm glad I'm not the only one that had positive feelings for portions of that expansion.
Except garrosh. I mean they really did the horde too dirty and that was 50% of their base. The bombing of the ramirez was bad itself and t was made worse.
As i was majorly disappointed in Cata, when MoP got released i quickly jumped on the bandwagon of hate, but learned to love it. It is actually the last expansion i played through completely and can honestly say it is one of the best WoW experiences i got.
nahh fuck this kung fu panda bulshit
absolutely love the running gag of having an a-posing semi afk rogue as our character insert
the Klaxxi stuff in MOP was so fun tbh, from their aesthetics, to their lore, it was all fun
Thank you for doing a video on the Mantid! They’re my favorite race in WoW and I’ve gotten 4 characters fully to exalted with them and I plan to do more.
I really hope they’re utilized if the old gods come back up, and Kil’ruk has a line about meeting us again, maybe the Paragons could be revived 👀
I’d love to see them again, even if it is as tragic raid bosses.
Brings me joy each time platinum posts a new video. Always well written/animated.
That was beautiful.😢 10/10 a must see. Would watch again🙂
I'm glad you did a video on the Mantid! I love all of the Old God creations and followers.
the Mogu probably: "They FLY now?!"
Yes please, more of this please. Seeing more of the races of Azeroth makes it seem so much more special unlike focusing on the horde or alliance stuff
I said before Warcraft movie was released, I've said it many times since and I will keep saying it!
Imagine if there was a TV Series based on Warcraft Lore. Heck, we could get multiple shows/spin offs focusing on different races/factions/time periods/continents etc.. etc..
Nightmare, imagine trying to make a show out of the most nonsensical stupid lore ever made, good luck lmao
@@MoonTurky Yeah, it's not like everything is set in stones and nothing can be changed when adopting to a live action show. We are talking about characters here, their journey can (and almost every time) be changed for a movie or tv show. Heck Blizz retcons their own stuff within the game every few years.
Hey Platinum! Something you overlooked about their role in Visions of N’zoth! After N’zoth emerged he resurrected the slain Klaxxi and empowered them with the void. We never actually fight the Klaxxi however and presumably they’re still in the Dread Wastes
To be totally honest a whole mantid themed expansion would be cool. They could do some shit like the zerg in SC, or it would be neat to play with them as a playable race.
They could make a cameo in TWW next expansion as fellows of the Nerubians.
The same as mogus or Vrykul as titan forged peoples.
I didn't play MoP, but as I came back to the game for WoD and leveled through the Dread Wastes I ended up being really interested in the klaxxi stuff and returned later to finish the reputation (for the mount) but I loved their story too. The old god reveal was some cool shit. Really hope to see them again, definitely one of my favorite races/factions.
The Klaxxi was my favorite rep grind in mop. I appreciated how they acknowledge what you do for them, but still say they will fight you.
I really enjoyed their questlines in Pandaria.
Man the title made me think this was going to be a whole list and I was really curious how many villains everyone actually forgot about.
The story of the Mantid is one of my favorites in all of WoW, it’s such a deeply interesting storyline
I started my journey during MoP and I loved the expansion for the most part. The Klaxxi were my first reputation grind since I got quite invested in the Lore behind them and wanted to know more, The Mantis and Mogu were very interesting and well implemented unfortunately they were yet another race to be forgotten and left behind. I'm curious if they will make a retcon regarding N'zoth or Y'sharaj(?) and give the Mantis another chance to shine.
Logically they´re probably in absolute shambles, massive losses during MoP with the Sha of Fear/Paragons siding with Garrosh, and then mere years later their relatively fresh Empress gets put down during the Nzoth incursions where they threw their lot in again. People forget that new Empress you get into power during MoP was a worldboss at the end of BFA.
I adore both them and the nerubians, two of my favourite fantasy races with awesome and unique lore.
I haven't forgotten. Mists remains as my favorite expansion
When MoP was current i mained Klaxxi and never took that tabard off. They were the coolest!
no one cares
"They're territorial and aggressive" just reminds me of one of my favorite shitposts from the LOL subreddit, that had (among other stuff) "let's see how they updated the lore: 'he has a dark and mysterious past' damn, a solid 2 words above average, the lore team really worked overtime for this one" 😆
Anyway, as someone who knows about Mantid only very slightly less than about other races (they appeared in Hearthstone, and that's my main source of info - in fact, I went into this video expecting it to be a top 10 or however many of most forgotten villains, and ready to say that I know all/some from HS 😅), TLthis was really interesting insight, and well presented! 👍
It always gave me a smile when entering the paragons fight in SoO and then recognizing the wakener. All those dailies from early on gave me a slight nostalgia.
With all the insectoid races you could literally create a 3rd faction of them
I really want these guys as a playable race
I grinded their reputation to exalted and got my Amber Scorpion mount when that content was still current and it was one of the few factions where I actually enjoyed doing the daily quests.
Man, MoP really was my favourite era of Wow, and it's not close. (I played from wotlk)
I was as bummed as everyone after the initial trailer, but everything they did, storywise, raid wise, even class wise to a, point was really great.
The Klaxxi are dope, I loved doing their dailies. Freeing the Paragon's was super fun.
I know people hated Dread Wastes, but I kind of liked it. It felt like being across enemy lines of a corrupted swarm. I dug it.
Didn't play MoP but man, this lore is great! Thanks for putting this together Plat!
I just farmed the klaxxi reputation, god damn that was slow, but the mount is prety SICK
The Mantid stand out to me as as Warcraft villains in that they truly feel like a noble adversary.
They honor your help to them but make it clear where their allegiances lie and warn you that they WILL stand against you when the time comes.
And when that time came and were defeated, they praise your valor for being willing to fighr the battle they warned you against.
Can't wait to revisit this in MOP classic where Zvardikuz can use his Corrupted Ashbringer
2:16 mantid STONKS
This is a great video, i have always loved these bug guys since i returned to WoW durning MoP and its great to see the lore all in one place. keep up the great work
The mantid never joined Garosh, they were just drawn to the heart of the old god. They were basically raiding Orgrimmar the same time the players were.
As always, your content is excellent and brings a jolt of joy whenever I get notified of a new upload!
I still use Kil'ruk's furious blade as my one-handed sword mog to this day.
Yessss..
The mantid are one of my all time favorite races in all of WoW, they are a marvelous expansion upon the Aqir alongside Nerubians and Qiraji.
Great video as always, glad to see WoW lore videos especially just random stuff like this! Keep it up man!
Nice , I always love how we tried to save the Mantis instead of destroying them like the AQ
Imagine that due to the mantids' increase of strength after each swarm that a paragon wakes up to find, he's only as strong as your average foot soldier
This was really cool info, thank you!
More videos please. Your videos are insightful, drawing and awsome as far as content and how playful and entertaining they are to me and other viewers I'm almost certain. Thank you for your content.
The Mantid are one of my very fave factions. Pandaria's lore is underrated as it is, but these guys were especially awesome
The first faction in Pandaria I got to Exalted for the title, iirc
This Wakener would've totally joined them
I really want to play as some of these bug races.
Thank you so much for making this video. Never thought my favorite faction would get a highlight like this.
2:52 was an amazing visual gag thanks for that Platinum
i find the sha scarier than the void, because of one thing: the void can be summoned and de-summoned, meanwhile the sha NEVER GO AWAY
Saurok from Pandaria were also cool. Not as fleshed out as Mantid, but still a great backstory and culture that barely anyone knows.
I'm interested to see if the Mantid will make a reappearance in either War Within or Midnight.
They would make the perfect playable insect race
I love the mantid
Would have been cool if platinum talked about the different paragons and their stories
Somebody should've told the Klaxxi that we've already bodybagged two old gods (at the time of MoP, C'Thun and Yogg) so maybe they're on the wrong side.
Man I love MoP lore, it was so cool to bring back Y'shaarj in form of 7 different beings and actually kill them one after another throughout the expansion. It gave lot of the content a nice continuation and more investment than say the current last boss of Abberus raid who's name i can't even remember, and he's seemingly communicating/drawing power from some old gods which should be pretty damn exciting, yet i'd rather fight another Sha or Sha-controlled mantid.
Im also territorial and aggressive when i do dungeons
The editing is amazing lol 7:46
These videos have become my only form of contact with the Warcraft franchise
MoP is probably my top, maybe second, expansion. The mantid and Klaxxi were so awesome and I enjoyed following their story and eventually becoming their enemy. I'm with yah on being upset at their lack of additional use.
i wish blizzard or someone hire you to make a 2 hour wow movie man ur videos rock i need more lore xD
I remember the “oh crap” moment I had when they mentioned their “sister kingdoms”, telling you exactly who they are and what they want.
Hey have you got any lore about the Pygmy race?
They appear once in Goblin starting zone, we get a few quests to deal with them and then they never appear again
Pygmy's also appear in Uldum but nowhere else aside from Goblin starting zone to my knowledge. They mostly serve as a minor thorn in your side, more of an annoyance than a real threat.
Strangely, they appear somewhat similar to Murlocs behavioral-wise. They seem to worship anything that is stronger than them and are primitive and show little to no desire to advance technologically. Despite this, the Pygmy's are less isolationist than the Murlocs and actually seem to mingle with the other races of the world, though only to a certain degree.
7:28 at least i got blacksmithing plans
“Now, watch them attack me. Pitiful! Do they think to take vengeance for their fallen? Do they come to challenge ME? I, who have won a hundred wars? I, who stood alone against thousands and still shouted for my enemies to come? No, these saurok will crumple before me like paper before the flame!”
- Skeer the Bloodseeker, A Mantid Warrior
I have not forgot about the Klaxxi
The Mantid and Pandaria have a special place in my heart. =‘(
Current stop: dragonflight
Next stop: mantisflight
man MoP was so sick i loved the lore
I am so pleased you made a video about the Mantid! I have been thinking about them so much recently because funnily enough, I had this really clear memory of interacting with insect/humanoid entities somewhere and I could not for the life of me remember where - then I see this video! I really wanted to find them again and now I have. I'm a sort of casual player with some breaks in between playing times so I sort of forgot their name (so your video title is apparently correct) but I had such a strong idea that they definitely existed ha!
It's pretty funny that they made them mantis-based, when they're CLEARLY meant to invoke the vibes of LOCUSTS (queen hierarchy from bees/ants notwithstanding)
5:56 misspelt have
D- see me after class
Great video
NEED a mantid allied race
7:58 O.M.G. 😭💀
I literally names my son Korven
We got Mantid Queen in Hearthstone battlegrounds
I really hope some day in the far future we will be able to play as Mantid.
Unless there is another Old God invasion type thing i doubt we will see mantid again... except in pandaria classic lol
I love listening to him while playing world of warcraft
Man I remember starting when Pandaria was halfway there to the legion expansion, I specifically focused on the mantid beast tribe cause I really wanted their mount, and I of course achieved it, but it also made me really REALLY want a Mantid as a playable race, Bug people as a concept would be really fun to have, but sadly that was more then likely never going to happen, and it didn't. Still though I remember the Mantid fondly in my lackluster experience with WoW in general
Like the Nerubians during WotLK, and the Qiraji before that.
I had hoped BfA would expand on all of them. I hope we see them all again!
Well, the Qijraji probably got further decimated by Sargeras sword slamming into their neighborhood and in BFA you kinda put down that new Mantid Empress you put into power during MoP as a world boss.
Nerubians got a slight chance though at a comeback, BFAs island expedition had one with some living ones, that living one from WOTLK remains unaccounted for and the remaining undead ones should be free of any influence with the Scourge completely uncontrolled/any Jailer influence gone with his death.