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- Ever wondered about the secret world of Thai dowries and how much you should pay? In this eye-opening video, we dive into the intriguing cultural tradition of dowry payments for foreign men marrying Thai women in Thailand. We debunk the myth that dowries are required by Thai law and reveal the truth behind this fascinating custom. You'll hear firsthand from a Thai family about what they think foreigners should pay and learn how the amount can vary depending on various factors.
Join us as we answer your burning questions about Thai dowries and provide valuable guidance for foreign men planning to tie the knot with a Thai woman. Discover why some expats refuse to pay dowries and uncover the personal and individual nature of this cultural practice. Don't miss this essential guide to navigating the complex world of Thai dowries and ensuring a smooth and successful marriage in Thailand!
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I'm a Thai but I wasn't born and raised here. So I have a western upbringing I had a Thai girlfriend for 8 years here all of a sudden she told me she can't talk to me anymore. And my family had to talk to her family. Another guy and his family paid more dowry and so I was tossed aside awesome experience.
God dam, I feel for ya
I believe a better door will open for you, she wasn't interested in you from the beginning, she was only using you and you were an option until the "money man" came along. Forget about her, you do not worth the trash.... Remember, true love doesn't have a price tag.
So he paid for your leftovers?
99.9999% of women are like this. If you want loyalty, get a dog (or several because they are awesome), women are generally only good for one thing, taking money for the occasional bit of fun. not worth marrying them.
Thank you for this video. I am an American engaged to a beautiful Thai woman 39 years old with no kids and never married (I am 44). I have met her family and we took vacation together. We have a good relationship. We have been together for 2 years and I told everyone that am not rich, but I have a good job and her family does not have much money so I offer to pay dowry. 100,000 baht is ok for me because I can pay it and she is a good woman that loves me very much. So dowry is for helping my new family.
A very interesting and informative video. Much appreciated. Thank you
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I do appreciate your videos and find you to be very informative. You have a straight forward and decent character. Thanks for your videos.
Thanks for your video. You are fair and look at all sides. Good luck with your channel!
Interesting video. For me, it was 400,000 bahts, 10b gold, pay for the reception, pay for the budhist ceremony in the morning and a small block of land. Her dad was in the military. I turned it down and left.
Smart man
@@billyjohnson9166 Nooo, 🤣 rich man
Cleaver man
Good man. Her Dad must have been beat across the head too many times whilst serving his country!
Did you do the deed before u left?
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This video is very educational and offers a deep insight into Thai marriage traditions. It was interesting to learn about the Thai tradition of Sin Sod or dowry, and how it is perceived not as buying a wife but as a way to prove the groom's ability to provide for the bride. This is an aspect of Thai culture that I hadn't understood before, and it was fascinating to see how deeply it is ingrained. The video also touched upon sensitive issues like virginity and prior marriages, and how these factors could influence the Sin Sod. Understanding these aspects of Thai culture helps foreigners approach such situations with better preparation and respect for local traditions.
Overall, this video is very informative for anyone planning to marry in Thailand, especially foreigners. It not only educates about the Sin Sod tradition but also about the socio-cultural intricacies that could influence it. It emphasizes the importance of understanding and respecting these traditions while navigating one's personal journey.
Interesting video. You correct some of the misinformation but there are some issues regarding Sin Sod that make foreigners skeptical. For example. I was in Thailand in February/March of 2020. I did the tourism areas but also some eastern provinces. A great experience meeting and seeing first hand village life. Spent some time in village areas and was invited to a Thai wedding. A 46 year old Thai woman was marrying a German man. She was once married to a Thai man and had children with him. Then she married a German man. Then another marriage to another German man. This was her 3rd marriage and second to a foreigner. Several of her friends were also married to German men. The dowry was 700,000 Thai baht. She had no job and lived in the family home. The dowry money was placed out for all to see. Ironically, her parents had the nicest house in the village. I wonder why? lol. That does not sit well with many foreigners. Also, regarding the idea that foreigners are charged more than Thai men because they marry Thai women so quickly and do not know the family well.....it is most often the Thai women who bring up marriage and soon after dating. I would not marry no matter the country but that is me. But a good video with lots of information for foreign men to consider.
that was reading....
ya the dowry should be 0 in that case. IF he wants to put 300,000 baht in cash out there to save face for the idiots who care about that stuff, then fine, but he should then put that money in his car. I suppose it's possible that happened at the wedding you went to, you wouldn't know if he took the money back. It's more common than people think.
I would not have paid a dime. She was twice married before and has children. That shows me one thing, it's all about the money
Pay nothing because you will be paying for the rest of your life
Completely untrue.
🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@miamiandthailand2587 Articulate response. Still happily married to my beautiful Thai wife after 15 years. Oh, and she is 21 years younger, looks after me and in fact has saved my life.
Have a great day.
@@MarkSmithSa no I understand what you meant I’m married now it’s been 4 years and as long as you got good in-laws your marriage will be easy and so will the wedding, I’m happy
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Thanks, very informative
good insight..tq
Great topic.
You like?
@@Keyframe5 yessir, should do a few more of these.
Her family never asked for dowry. She explained a dowry was not necessary.
Before marriage, I asked what she/they wanted.
One child. Perhaps, an income producing property (not urban).
Ok. I arranged for her to purchase a property in her name. She and her mother chose the property a neighbor was selling.
They planted rubber and some fruit with the idea of tapping or, later, selling the timber (stumpage) for a large “balloon” (child’s university education).
My idea being to satisfy wife/family and future child. And satisfy my needs as I age and require retirement/shelter.
She built a house on the land......lovely land. Close to her parents.
Seventeen years later, we rarely use the house. We live in another province. Her parents regularly use the house and maintain the property and plantation.
This “investment” has helped her parents and family.....in many ways. The stumpage “balloon” will be worth one million+..
We are now divorced. Share the home we built and gifted to our child in the other province.
The child and his mother are well provided. I have a roof over my head. The two properties increase in value.
They produce cash flow and modest income. The assets/Chanotes are in the name of our child. He pays the
property taxes.
His mother continues work to support herself and provides parenting.
We avoided some pitfalls; cash dowry and gifting.
A lot of work......absolutely worth the effort.
Never had a visa associated with work or marriage. Always, just me and the Thai system.
Hopefully, this comment will give a broader view. Also, my first public media comment. Keep well.
wow thank you for your first comment.
is an interesting topic, i talked about it with my girlfriends dad and he also said he would give it back to us. And told me what normaly would be the amount around and said we just should do as we can :)
Just a word to the wise: While it is very common to take it back, there are plenty of times when they say they'll give it back, but then when it comes time they basically say sorry they cannot with a list of excuses. Have your best mate watch the money like a hawk, and have him give it to you when the time is right.
i like your video so much, i hope many people learn from this, i have a thai wife for 6 years and i never have to pay her family for get married, but i did help them to build there home better and help them to rent more land later for make rice, but i did it for help them, and guys she was a gogo girl in pattaya so you can find true love in Thailand
I never paid a dowery for my Thai wife. She sent some of her earnings home to her family monthly and we paid $1000usd to creamate her mother, her fathers brother paid for the fathers final expenses. We inheirited the house and farm after buying out the siblings for B10,000 each. The old customs are dying off in Thailand except in rural areas between Thais. Parents are expected to be supported in old age, thats why they had so many children, because there is no pension and the govt pays the elderly not enough to eat.
Property rights are limited and my friends who got divorced in Thailand ALL lost almost everything. I think foreigners can get married to someone they know well and someone they trust, rather than the first pretty girl they meet. Just as with anywhere, really
Stay single ... remember in Thailand you never lose a girl ..you just lose your turn,😅😅
@@delcamelot Amen
Why marry ..for what reason !!??
Dont marry, lease.
this is true if you're in whooore towns meeting whooores. but if you actually find a quality woman in the country, it's nothing like that. You don't even know real Thai women, you just know the worst of them in the tourist spots. @@delcamelot
My (now) wife went on about sinsod a couple of times, when we first started going out, I told her no, I then gave a breakdown on how much it will cost for the visas for her and her children to come to Australia and also tallied up how much money I send her every month, I said it’s up to you, she could make her choice. She never mentioned it again. It’s even worse during COVID with flights and quarantine costs, it’s even more.
@Trajectory Trader 😂😂😂😂
@@sjffhfjcntgj9411 I don’t understand what you mean, but maybe you also don’t read properly either, once I gave her the breakdown of the costs of visas and airfares, she never mentioned it again.
Jeez mate I hope things work out for you but be bloody careful - had 2 mates who married Thai women and both ended in divorce after 2 and 3 years and cost them a pretty packet. The Thai girls got their hands on my mates coin one way or the other.
Your english is very good.
So Sin Sod is like a Barfine ! 😁
Buy diamond ring for your wife in Europe or USA, they call it "best friend of women" and off course this is not Barfine...... Westerns are such hypocrits.
@@rafawojciechowski5146 but westerners don’t literally buy a girl from her parents like a slave either.
@@231rft Just because they know girl have less expirience about life then Parents. That is why they deal directly with girl.
Simply speaking they act sneaky way and show no respect and appreciation for the Parents.
Isnt a good wife worth more then 1000kg of gold? .Who did rise this wife for You? For the same circus trick Yankees where able to buy whole USA from Indians paying by glass jewelry and 🥃 of whiskey.
The result is they corrupt young girls and divorce them when they have enough of them insane acting. They know they are insane from the beggining cause every girl who disrespect family, specially parents is insane.
@@rafawojciechowski5146 you talk about the girl like she is a child or something. Of course they deal directly with the girl. She is a grown up individual, not a child or a slave.
Its prostitution
Very interesting video 👍
How long has The Marriage Visa existed?
I also, want to know how much you paid for dowry. 👍
And can you share details that affected this decision: age, looks, intelligence, education, previously married, prior kids, low income, know family, etc.
The right answer is very simple - how much would a regular Thai man have to pay if he married the girl? And you can come across that info by asking around. If you pay more than a Thai guy would, you're a sucker. And there are guys who think it's ok to do it and show generosity. But in reality, they're showing weakness, and her family will try to exploit that weakness. Sometimes they'll take it as far as they possibly could, even if it means ruining the relationship.
I have seen very very few marriages between Thais and Foreigners that succeed long term. The cultural gap is just too wide. if you are a foreigner in Thailand maybe look around...Thumbs up on your video though. You are educational...
BS. this is likely because you stay in tourist areas where the worst quality women flock to for the wrong reasons. In reality the divorce rates of these couples is much lower than in your home country.
I marrying my girl from thailand, thanks for the video
DO NOT PAY A DOWRY.....
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED......
my inlaws wanted me to front 250,000 for the sinsod but would give it back as a wedding gift afterwards (they just wanted the cash laid out in the bowl for the tradition). a very frugal rubber farming family who understood that we would always look after them. from what i understand its a proof of trust that you are capable of looking after their daughter, if they trust you because you communicate regularly with them and take time to understand their culture, they will not ask for anything.
Keyframe5 I'm confused 🤔 1 year ago you do a video about a German man got deported for helping his thai wife sell bbq food because he didn't have a work visa but you just said you have a marriage visa you don't need a work permit please explain thanks
Authorities rarely arrest foreigners for working illegally. Foreigners usually get caught for something more serious and this charge is just added so they have reason to detain them.
@@boyar1978 yes, it's just a "front"...(a trap)...
@ Ross O'higgins the German guy had an Interpol arrest warrant in his country. That was the main reason he was arrested. He wasn't arrested because he was helping his wife. If you are working at home with your Thai wife you don't need a work permit. But you still need a work permit outside your home in a company.
It all about finding the best provider.i just dont get married and change girlfriend often
Seriously I'm not paying a dime just for an "I love you" approval from her parents while my parents get nothing. Plus, I have to buy the diamond ring and on top of that risk a divorce. If she loves me, she'll love me for who i am.
thats why its good for you that you can stay in your home find a angry wife in your country,
so you can save all your money for your self
@@imabegood nothing what you say are true. But if you can't respect thai culture then stay the fuck home. Im sure you only want come to thailand when you can get cheap Pu... and then when have to give some money to a girl family you get cheap charlie.
@@pattayaman4415 กูเป็นคนไทย มึงโง่เองไปจ่ายเป็นล้านก่วาบาท
@@imabegood "You have totally pissed me off and you are complete dumbass" A random anonymous person gets you this mad? Get help!
It's obvious that you have no idea about Thai people in general, perhaps you know some bargirls and the "I love you too much"bs. Nobody wants you to buy a diamond ring and divorce is something that can happen anywhere in the world. Why would your parents get money from her parents? Your last sentence is as your whole post. Nonsense. Don't you think that all women around the world would like to have some security and not somebody they have to feed?
I'm afraid of getting scammed, could you tell me when exactly you are supposed to hand over the dowry in this process? is it after the wedding, before? when and at what stage. Thanks.
Before the wedding. Her parents would be happy if there's a dowry right away.
I met a college education 50 yo thai woman and asked her what she would expect in a dowry and she said 10 freaking grand. I stifled a laugh and thought 10grand for a 20 yo wife would still be too much
She's 50yr old. She shouldn't be asking for a dowry as she was most likely married before or multiple times. What I would do in this case, I would say ok I put out the money for the wedding for the ceremony in Thailand, but that's it. The money is to show her friends and family that you can take care of her. (the losing face thing) But make it clear that money must return to you after the ceremony, (next day) and you don't tell anyone about that because you and her might lose face...
@@Keyframe5 I was thinking the same
@@Keyframe5 did you manage to pick up my comment I left last month at all ? My gf is 38, married before , no kids , farming background works in office , lives with sister , has mother and her sister in village. Any approx ideas of this £ if it arose thanks for any comments .. thanks
@@jonhobson3592 i wont pay dowry. Point blank period.
She probably meant in bah which would’ve been 100😂
Issan girlfriend asked me for Bt 1 million, I paused and said i need to think about it - she replied "you don't love me" - broke up the next day. Seems like a way for poor girls to pay for a house or her parents. But professional friends who have married gave only Bt 100,000 or 50,000 as a symbol in the ceremony, and it was given back to the married couple by the parents.
Ohhhh one million is very low in isan
My husband paid me 5m bhat + farm+ water buffalo
She loves you so she only wanted 1m
One million is a lot, whoaaa. Thats a really high price.
@@speedzero7478 5M + + she said? lol
I met a Isaan girl who's family wanted 1 million baht, very tragic as she is still single in her mid 30's
You received your blessing when they wanted to charge you.
Is it the same for Laos ?
haha. I'm 41 and I have never heard of such a thing!...just go cheap on the ring!!! hahaha
BINGO!!!
Or ring on the cheap.
Great advice, just gotta play with the budget. HAHAHA.
Just Googled 'dowry meaning' and came up with this......."A dowry is the money or goods that a bride's family gives to her new husband and/or his family when they are married." 555
My ex was a Cambodian not a Thai but i was able to negotiate 6000 for her . 3000 for her bridewealth and 3000 for the wedding. I think that is about 200000 baht. It is basically six months salary. Sadly my ex broke up with me 30 days after i paid her bridewealth and refused to return the money.
New slavery $$$$$
She did U a favor ...better to know bad ppL now!... B4 U both make a "little mistake"
A fool and his money shall soon be parted.
Paying hookers to leave is cheaper
I met a Cambodian woman a few years back. She said she went to college in New Zealand and after graduation, she fled the country. She said she will be blacklisted for 10 years, but then the New Zealand government will forget about her debt to them. She was not a good person.
My thing is if you manage to get to this point how do you avoid getting scammed
the dowry you pay all depends on your financial backbone, it's like gambling, pay whatever you can afford to lose
Yes I understand dowry but wont be paying it if I marry, if its a deal breaker so be it. Though if she has kids I will look after them as my own, and I will help if her parents when needed. But not paying dowry. As with a marriage visa its better to keep money in savings as a couple to maintain your visa annually.
Local Thai low middle end hotel/apartment service manager in Bangkok paid 90k baht 10+ years ago. Not sure if she was from the city or province but definitely poorer family. He was happy as a samboy. No idea if they gifted it back to them. I think the tradition is likely dead in Bangkok itself but probably not in the poorer provinces anyway. The smart families will probably see the benefits of their daughter marrying a foriegner but at the same time you have to remember that in the medium term until she gets a working visa overaeas they will lose her income i.e. the money she usually sends home to share with the family so you get the picture. Thais are generally pretty nice and not manifestly greedy though bangkok girls can definitely be a different breed like the mainland Chinese. So if money comes up early forget it but i guess when you are planning the wedding its appropriate to discuss it IMHO. Hope that helps from a farang who knows and loves Thailand and has learnt alot even without learning Thai. Kapkuhncup. PS if they work in the bar trade then they are kind of soiled by the monied objectification. Often but definitely definitely not always. There are no hard and fast rules im afraid. Just take it very very slowly be compassionate and generous and dont be a sucker: there is plenty of exploitation on both sides: welcome to the wonderful world of capitalism! As for my credentials: i holidayed in thailand for around a month every year for more than a decade and got to know the people and the culture very well indeed. I still miss and love it like a second home. The Buddhist and gracious elements of the culture and the people are exceptionally alluring indeed.
I have a thai girlfriend we meet on tick tok she has brought up marriage I haven't meet her family on spoke on line on video calling . Any advice about ?
She said the bride price must be paid, but it was just for show.
She said that i would get it back when surin gets some snow
I live in Surin , never seen snow yet lol
In UK usually the woman's parents pay for the wedding. My (now ex) wife's parents gave me the dowry back after the wedding. Old school Khymer people from Buriram. We divorced but they are still family and I probably see her parents more than she does.
It's a fair point i like to bring up. The Father of the bride is our custom, the dowry is theirs. Why should it only be about her custom and not yours? This is at least decent leverage to negotiate to something your'e comfortable with, since they will absolutely never pay for a single beer at the wedding, let alone the entire thing.
In Thailand it’s all about “You should pay”. And it’s never enough. They keep begging for more at every opportunity. That’s Thai money culture.
Dowry is just a traditionally Thai custom since 200 yrs. ago. Now 2020 alot had change
It means how much you love your girl friend. Thai women now are highly educated many are richer than men. so really rich women's family will give dowry back to the couple the next day!
I'm 56 and from the USA I'm moving to Khon Kaen on Christmas Day. The lady I have been video chatting with for 6 months is the same age as me although she looks like she's 30 tops and very beautiful although that's not that important to me just a major bonus! She owns her own business as a seamstress and works 7 days a week and even on holidays making apparel. She owns her own home and vehicle etc. and has a son in college and a daughter that has her own career so she lives alone. Just like me she doesn't have parents because they have passed away so she has a sister that kind of took over the role of looking out for her and helping her out she actually helped her get her business going and things like that. And briefly in passing I asked her about the dowry and she said that if we were to get married I would pay dowry to her sister and by her a wedding ring of course but also a bracelet or necklace which is customary here anyways. I asked her how much I should pay the sister and she said it was up to me. I'm not rich and I told her I would give her a fixed amount for my share of the bills she has which includes my rent and utilities and Wi-Fi etc. $600 a month which is very reasonable I also said I would pitch in $125 a month to get her some help at work so she can take time off for us to be together and do some adventure traveling around Thailand and other countries. How much should I give her sister without insulting anyone or making myself look bad? This is all hypothetical still of course until I get there and move in with her and see if things work out first. Any opinion would be appreciated, Thanks,✌️😎
lose of their daughter? they are not worth PAYING FOR THEM. try finding one that does not already have a kid(s) from a ex-Thai husband and the kid(s) that is living with her parents. if you are going to pay for "companionship" than keep your money and spend it on professionals that will do what you ask.
BINGO!!!!
Sad
@@MarkSmithSa but true
WORD!!
with the marriage visa you can work in Thailand, are you really sure that's correct?
I look at it like this: Her family should pay me since I'm taking the financial burden off them and will provide her needs and YES her family's needs at times until death.
I was on a thai dating website I only talked to her for 20 minutes she is 30 years old she said she needs a 50,000 dollar dowry I said she was crazy and blocked her immediately.
In my own experience dating Thai women in Thailand is that the woman will want me to pay for dates and generally help her from time to time so that she can send money home to support her family.
That video is correct in all aspects from what I have learned from Thai people on my travels. Best bet is to find a lady who has been married and has a child. Over 28 helps too. By their standards, a lady like that isn't as desirable and their time is running out. Other option is to marry a lady from a family that does well. Sin Sod in that situation is just for "show" at ceremonies and will be returned but expect to put up gold and currency in the same amount her friends have in the past to "save face" of the family status. Sin Sod can be negotiated but carefully. Either way, expect to help the parents as they get old. Don't meet the parents too soon after meeting her as they will think you have intentions of marrying them. Best to keep it as "friends". What will be will be anyway. If she is older with children, she will know her limitation and values and will stay with you if not married so why take a chance with marriage anyway? Treat her like a wife and be good to her and she will be good to you without the drama that happens with marriage with SOME Thai woman. No matter what culture, woman really only want money as it ensures security for the future.
best bet is to find a divorced woman with kids? lol, this sounds like a cope. Best bet is to find a great girl, and to pay whatever a Thai man would pay for the dowry. That's the right amount every time, no more/ no less.
One important thing that you should keep in mind when discussing Thai dowry is that its amount is based on your Thai fiancee’s status, education, occupation and other related social background information (such as her virginity). An average middle-class, university-educated Thai lady deserves a dowry of 100,000- 300,000 baht. A dowry of a million baht for an uneducated lady of modest means is just ridiculous. Thai dowry prices fall drastically if your bride-to-be has been previously married, already has children, or is not a virgin anymore. In fact in most of these instances, no dowry deserves to be paid.
Thai dowry, however, is usually symbolic in nature and will normally be returned to the married couple after the wedding, so as to help them start on their new life.
Negotiations of the "worth" of a human being, specifically someone you care about and find worth marrying and invest years in is a rather alien and uncomfortable concept for many of us non-natives. Even more so if she happens to be of the damaged goods variety, with little to no "deserving worth"
Should just be circumvented all together. Offer to pay for the wedding expenses with a sum roughly equal to what the average wedding would cost back home (in my country about 700. 000 bath) and call it a day. If an Issan rice farming family wishes to call it a dowry and put the money on display during the wedding for photoshoot and bragging purposes, it's up to them.
IME, sin sod does have financial benefits. Whenever I visit, my family and the community always take good care of me
Already pay for my Thai wife and her family due to Covid.
Just to make a correction, with a NON O visa, you do need a work permit on top if you wish to work
yes that's correct, but if you're helping your Thai wife. You don't need a work permit.
@@Keyframe5 Please can you elaborate on helping Thai Wife.
Example if I was to make furniture for our home that would be classified as helping my Thai Wife.
@@Keyframe5 Thank You for your reply.
So any activity in improving my Wife's life is permissible.
I do understand, I am not allowed to handle money or take payments.
Cheers OTC, helpful.
@@justbatters566 it is a grey area I think.
What would you say expected sinsod for a 37 yr old , married before , no kids , basic education , works full time .. in bkk .. thanks for any advice ..
I will be 58 retired , bank pension. Maybe suggest 50,000 tb .. dunno 🤷♂️
I paid 0. The family has never asked me for a cent and I've met many siblings and other extended family members and have visited them at home, both poor and rich. If anything, they'll go out of their way to accommodate me.
I wouldn't get married if money was involved like that. Custom or not.
Totally agree. It is more often used as a scam for STUPID foreigners who get involved with hookers.
Dowry is a "extortion" attempt on westerners by creating a BS requirement to "pay her family"
Local thai guys NEVER pay a Dowry. Good looking handsome young American guys NEVER pay a dowry either.
The only people seemed to be "forced" to pay a "dowry" are old white dudes.
True story.
@@BrandonClark-StocksPassports Its not true i am thai i pay respect to my wife's family and the custom my wife whole hearted loves me she helps me run business i am getting richer now. i respect them they all respect me. help me any thing they can. if you ca'nt stand this custom marry your local women stay home wherever you are!
@@pauljesada8649 it’s hard for someone to see the sense in paying someone to marry their daughter. It seems like she is a slave being sold. I see you jump straight down the “if you don’t like it go home” route 🤣
@@BrandonClark-StocksPassports one of the dumbest takes i have seen. It shows you have zero respect for Thai customs.
I think you are looking through some rose colored glasses in some of the instances spoken of. But suffice it to say all relationships no matter how you wish to view them do come down to a financial component especially upon a breakup there for the courts get involved. You are right though if you are looking at it from a finacial aspect right from the start of a relationship it might not be the best way to go about getting married, but that's what prenups are for are they not.
How bout they pay the man since he's the prize NOT HER!!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
in western culture that is how it done. chinese also.
Hooe they simplify process...thai marriage visa doesn't grant any permission to stay in thailandmThis itself will be an great difficulty for expat relationship..
Expats still needs to be having work permit as additional requirements.
I have not paid anything but we are happy its only for the rings and ceremony and love all of them in the family
Be sure to check kitchen knives every night bro
Khop Khun Khrap! First, I'd like to thank you for your nice video and the comments you've made. I moved to Thailand 20 years ago and started teaching in 2005. I married a woman because we loved each other and I know that countless men marry a bargirl without knowing much about Thai culture and I might never understand why so many foreigners, mostly from the UK, or the US can't even order a noodle soup in Thai after many years of living here. I did have relationships with ladies who worked in bars, but it's as the old saying goes. You can get a girl out of a bar, but not the bar out of the girl. I respect all Thai people and truly understand that a lot of human trash is coming to your country in form of criminals, pedophiles, and other weirdoes. Unfortunately, do many Thai people not have the chance to get a decent education which should be free for all, no matter if they come from a poor farmer background or those with kids who won't get a Thai man. When I arrived in Thailand 20 years ago all people were very friendly to me and most were happy to talk to me. Sadly, too many bad foreigners give all of us a bad name and the majority of Thai people might believe that we are all uneducated and poor fools. I love my job helping Thai children to become very good at English and subjects in English by trying to develop their critical thinking skills. Thanks a lot for your videos, I hope that you can live of fit one day and live a happy life without any health, or other problems. Kind regards from Sisaket. Mike
Falungs can't order soup in Thai because they don't have to. If you have $$, then that is the substitute!
I will be marrying my Thai girlfriend this fall. I am soo in love with her that I would give her the moon. However, this was very informative. Thank You very much.
ill just pump n dump thanks and keep it fresh
If you can’t stand criticism, marry a virgin.
Never take on a former married girl unless she has no children.
The balance of trying to raise someone else’s kids is a hard task, especially when you take them back to your country. Think really carefully on this aspect.
This video is an excellent guide, don’t be fooled by speculation or rumour.
If you choose to marry a bar girl, well good luck with that. Always remember, you are the Customer, they are the Service Provider, and that’s how it always will be until you get divorced, and you will soon see how stupid you may have been.
The costs of marrying a Thai girl is a lot more expensive than you ever imagined. If you get a good one, well you can often be one of many who enjoys a great relationship. It’s like a cattle market, choose wisely, and do your homework.
Always remember the famous Wall Street one liner.......Money Never Sleeps.
The most popular book in Thailand few years ato was : how to find farang lover
It was written by ex bar girl who married old men temporarily
isn't htat like 30 years old? @@sjffhfjcntgj9411
It is not the money. It is the commitment and the security that the man can provide to the Thai wife. If a person knows the Thai girl well enough and develop the confidence in her, then I am sure there is a amicable solution for this. I have know Thai girls who have married to foreigners even without a single payment of dowry. And in some cases even the Thai girls family display the money as if it is from the groom to safeguard their social value. It is all about the face value among the families and relatives that is very high in Thai culture.
Sid sod is a Thai custom and I paid it went I married a Thai lady, the family returned it the next day,so what’s the problem.
You are a real gentleman. You got respected from your wife's family it shows how much you truly love her. You respect them they respect you!
That's fine. Problems start when they keep the dowry.
Hopefully they didn't ask for a house later 🤣
It is the culture but many don’t follow anymore. I married a foreign man and did not ask for dowry. My parents would love to have the dowry but I did not agree. We have been married for over 15 years.
It’s a Thai culture that you always have to support the parents, We help my parents when their hospital bills, take them on holidays. I am sending money to my mom every month at reasonable amount. some Thai family can asking for so much such as new house, new car, supporting siblings etc., for me these are beyond reasonable. It is a burden for Thai daughters (lower middle class to middle class) to always feel the need to serve their parents, husband needs to understand this pressure and both have to be reasonable on this issue. Thai daughter needs to set a boundary with the parents. กตัญญูแบบมีสติ
Well said❤️
you are another woman that any man will want to marry.
excellent, see...this lady's husband got a good one.
From first hand experience, being married to a Thai and living in Thailand on a marriage visa, you still cannot work without a work permit. Hefty fines and the risk of deportment apply.
Also, I can never own land or a home in just my name alone. The only exceptions I am aware of are through a Thai company (again it’s not yours), jointly (still wish-washy), a US citizen and limited to ~1 Rai (or possibly smaller) but that’s related to an agreement made between Thailand and the USA after the war. The only other way I’m aware of is if you buy into a condominium, but there too are rules and conditions to be met such as more than 50% of the apartments must be owned by Thais.
just say: don't marry thai woman 🤣🤣
Context: 1) how many guys working some kind of small biz with the thai wife or employee being the face of the company get deported? I've never heard of it happening once. I have heard of people having to pay some tea money, but that usually amounts to a low amount of money and it's also rare. 2) Why do you need to own land or a home? Rentals are so cheap; property values don't go up significantly anyway. And you can also do a 30 year lease from your wife to have some added leverage. Totally legal, though they'll make you pay 1.5% of the entire 30 year lease amount up front. 3) Who cares about the condo 50% rule, people would only look at foreigner owner condo's, the rest don't matter. Still an over supply anyway.
Well dowry is also an old western tradition we left behind so I see no problem in it but in the end its just a gift. Nothing more.
Im in a complicated situation actually.
I never paid dowry and we are still staying as boyfriend-girlfriend and have done so for 4 years already.
She is a previously married muslim woman.
So if i would marry, not only would i have to possibly pay the dowry, i would also have to convert to islam and get circumcised.
I don't really feel like doing that and that is why we are staying in this limbo situation.
I guess i want to do what is right, but on the other hand i don't want to change to a religion i don't belive in, so yeah, difficult.
I love this woman, and she loves me and we are thinking maybe we will just eventually get married by law in my country
and forget the whole religion thing.
Im also indirectly supporting her mother right now. I give her about $300 besides from what she gets in student benefits and student loans
when she's studdying here. Half of that goes to her mother and and the rest goes to pay her house loan.
That is im paying down the mortgage on a house i don't even own, so maybe it's enough.
I have never been to Thailand but just out curiosity... what if you look a Thai woman home after the wedding and she turned out to be a lady boy? Would you be able to claim some of the dowry back? Or would you have to pay even more?
Hahaha that’s a good one
It happened to poor man and he found out after 20 years
He ended up in mental hospital
Any Thai woman over 25 without children is a ladyboy
have some geniuses in the chat i see. @@busterhikney6936
I didnt pay a dowry (latin America)
And the ring was only $150 🤣🤣🤣
Post again when you divorce
I married a thai lady and did not pay her dad anything! But she 40, never married working in fact ok ry in korat. She been supporting her family and I guess still does. I told her any thing with your family you boss. Her dad has never ask for money from the farang!! Lol
Hi.Bro.Nice.Vidio
I paid monthly $150 with the proviso that IF the economy collapses I'd need to suspend payments.
In late 2009 after the economy collapsed, we suspended payments for a few months.
I'm happy to help my wife's family and she is held in high esteem. I talked about it (negotiated) ahead of time without pressure from her wonderful family.
I've paid bigger chunks to help the family but I volunteered and was never pressured by my wife.
I paid for her Thai lawyer and made a prenup with a US attorney in Thailand- not expensive when compared to US legal fees.
If you marry a woman with a degree who has never had a serious relationship you'll be expected to pay more. Weird but TIT.
It does happen that foreigners marry wealthy Thai women and that costs even more or they may return the cash after a "money show", mai pen rai to them.
We had a village ceremony which was priceless. Then had a formal governmental procedural wedding to legally formalize it for her visa.
I'm happy to support my wife but she wanted to work after a while and did so. Since COVID she stopped working and I still work and pay her mom $150/mo with pride. It has been the best decision I've ever made, life is wonderful. We have never argued one time in 14 years of marriage. Her family is now my family.
You are a good man.
You are FOOLISH.....but a good hearted man.
She has cheated on you....but your good heart over looks that. Not many guys are like you.
If you are happy....then nothing else matters.
Beautiful. Congrats.
@@BrandonClark-StocksPassports why has she cheated on him what gives you that impression
What's the Thai word for simp?
My Thai wife came from a very good and moral family, had a University degree, a car and a business, has never asked for 1 baht and neither has her family. Since I retired I have not had to transfer any money from England but use my visa card for fuel, phone bill and restaurants, all the excess money she earns is deposited into my bank in Thailand so my a/c looks good for the visa requirements. When I brought up the subject of Sin Sod, she said ' why, both my parents are dead?'. Another Thai custom is that if you get married at her parents house, they pay for the wedding, and if you think you can get married in England for less than the Sin Sod cost, best of luck with that!
You make me remember that old brit friend (hopfully he is still alive)
His wife old fashion banker moved to the u.k. with him, She got MBA and first thing she did after getting her British passport was divorcing him! He paid for her education
I did not paid sin sot because I take care enough all-time, and
I had known my wife and her family for four years already
I would literally laugh in their face if they asked me for that lol.
Ha ha, I'm rolling on the floor just watching this video.
Then u go back to hugging your pillow 😂 no wife or gf for you.
@@daviedood2503 no divorce, no losing the children, the home, life savings, job etc etc. while she continues to ride the CC. the pillow sounds like a win / win
@@JT-cf5ol I'm not saying to actually GO AND PAY all that crap. You can get a FINE a$$ one for cheap. 😂 they're just thankful to be out the mud huts. U buy them a $900 Honda civic from the 1990 they think u bought them a Mercedes. 😂 very appreciative of what u do for them. If they try that stuck up too good stuff, they've watched too much TV and talked to too many Americanized family members who ran game over on a foreign guy before.
@@daviedood2503 why would you want an uneducated woman from the jungle?
It all comes down to knowing your partner. If you do not know her/him well enough to have had the sin sod conversation, you are not ready to marry.
as my former gf from Bkk said, its mostly the people from the countryside or HiSo that uses dowries, and if ask farangs why they pay dowry for a girl previosly married the usual answer is "yea i know but i´m doing it for her "status" in the village (they know they where fouled
My girlfriend, who works at a hospital in Bangkok, is from Isaan. She has a 13 year-old son being raised by her Mom back in the village. Her Dad died 15 years ago. Her Mom is a subsistence rice farmer. My girlfriend sends her 10,000 baht a month to support both her and her son. This is critical support and her Mom and son would be in deep trouble without it.
Her Mom has asked for a 200,000 baht sin sod. I understand I don't have to pay her anything. But I'm happy to pay because she is so hard up, and it is a deeply-ingrained tradition in Isaan. It's a rounding error to me, but would make a huge difference in her Mom's life. Plus it will keep the peace between my girlfriend and her Mom. So I'll go along.
My family never ask money from my BF to pay,As long as him look after me well thats all their want,Sometime i feel like my BF to lucky to have me 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
It is a status thing to show how much you value the woman. You will usually get it back anyway, so it don't really matter how much you pay. It is still a big saving over how much a Western woman will cost a man. Think about it, you pay out your money with any woman in the world one way or the other.
Marriages in any country are typically an important affair and and often encompass the historical traditions of that country. Everyone negotiates the content of their marriage ceremony. How big. How much the are going to spend. What traditions they choose to observe. Thailand is no different. If you and your fiancé and the families involved can’t agree on the terms of the wedding ceremony them you can always walk away.
I married my Thai wife in her family home in a poor Isaan farming village. I paid a sin sod. I was fine with the amount asked for. Two months ago my wife’s cousin was married to a young Thai man in the same house. They are young and poor (as was I for my first marriage in the US) and the young man also paid a sin sod. Their’s was a lower budget wedding but was essentially the same as mine. He paid half the sin sod I paid. In both mine and this young couple’s wedding the sin sod was not returned. I can also report that the presentation of the sin sod was a serious and important part of the two hour ceremony.
My advice is to not think about the sin sod separate from the whole wedding. Just focus on the total cost of the wedding which, like weddings in any country, involve costs associated with the venue, photography, wedding clothes, food, music, etc. Part of the cost of my wedding was for two whole pigs that were butchered and given to people that attended the wedding. It is very likely that the total cost of the wedding, including sin sod, will be less than the equivalent ceremony in your home country.
There are a lot of opinions about what sin sod means in the context of the people and families involved. There is a lot of talk about what is an appropriate amount to offer as a sin sod. Forget all of that. Think about what wedding do you and your fiancé want. What can you, the both of you, afford? I’ve been married in the US and Thailand. Yes, Thailand is a different culture but the wedding decisions, if you consider the big picture, were the same for both weddings.
Great post!
But what about your customs? In the West, it's customary for the Father of the bride to pay for the wedding. Why is it that only her traditions are honored, but you don't want to talk about your customs? lol. Some amount is fine, and the guy who made the video was right on with the 100,000, which is probably the right amount in most cases just to save face and avoid issues.
@@luxuryseaviewvillas6744 If you are a westerner getting married to a Thai in Thailand then you are always welcome to discuss your own traditions. You and your fiancé are partners and everything is negotiable. I met a Canadian man who married a Thai and they had two big weddings in Bangkok hotels. One was a traditional western wedding. The other was a traditional Thai wedding. Personally I consider the traditions of the host country to take precedence but, as I said, everything is negotiable here as it is anywhere.
I’m 35 and plan on marrying a Thai girl who is 27 we have been together 6 years. I’m Australian and have a decent job and am middle class in Australia.. her family is from Isaan and live very basic style with low income. My girlfriend is government school teacher who went through university to achieve this job and is what I’d call a good girl had only one previous relationship to a Thai guy in high school.. how much would be a fair amount to pay sinsod and gold I’d also be paying for the wedding and also will be giving a western style engagement ring.
You can't work with a thai marriage visa, it only allows you to apply for a work visa. If you marry you marry the family, so meet them first 😁. Married for 32 years so far. As for dowries many Thais borrow from the bank and pay it back soon after for face.
BS I had 2 friends that married a Thai woman and paid over 300,000 bt each and they NEVER got that money back, the first bitch divorced my friend after 6 months when the house was finished and the second after 2 years
@@dagonming1319 I replied but it is not showing up, my first trip to Thailand was in 1985. If your friends could read then they would have known the pitfalls that can happen. The Bangkok post every so often carries the lament of stupid farang with buyers remorse. If the woman is a virgin you might pay a dowry but you more likely to find a virgin in a night club at 3am in the UK on a Friday night than one in Thailand, unless you a child preditor. Otherwise you don't pay a penny up front. As for buying them a house you set up a private limited company and get voting rights signed over to you of the 51% Thai ownership. Ways and means, basically don't rush in and be stupid not knowing the culture. It is easy to take money off stupid people.
I find myself In this situation.. beautiful 21 years with 1 child.. mentioned 1 million baht . Not a huge issue but does seem alot to me for any woman's family.
I paid $50 in Indonesia the first time I got married there and they gave it right back to me. I don't think there was a dowry the second time.
It all depends how the lady family wants or your lady. Don't take it as a whole Thai people. I am Thai my family doesn't care about sin sod as long as we love each other. Everything is ok with them. I married with different nationality. I don't take advantage of my husband. I think you been scammed from who ever you been with. Look closely before you made the decision. Good luck
Joyce you are a lady that any real man will want and your parents 'deserve' sin sod.
Foregners cannot work, without a work permit even if married,?
Yes. Very true.
Same way in america with the green card laws. My latina cant work until I sign a "green card application" after the 90 day marriage requirement.
Very very very true
You need a work permit with a marriage visa. This is of note!
A farang in Thailand have just and only ONE right: PAY!
I have a friend going to Thai land to marry a single mother with 2 small children. He told me he had to pay a dowry I hope he's not getting scammed.
If she has kids. I wouldn't pay any dowry.
You friend is getting ripped off.
@@kennetharntson5912 well he already got married and did not set up his pre tax retirement right. So he is for sure getting ripped off and he met her while she was pregnant with one of those kids. So he basically bought a used car with all kinds of engine issues. SCAM of the century but they found the sucker to buy it.