I was averaging 2911 FPS with the 160 gr CX with my 24 inch barrel... and was getting 4 inch groups with it. You should pull some of the bullets and see what powder they are using.
Would be interesting. The Outfitter with 180 grain CXs in one of my 30-06s shoots well under an inch, with a suppressor. I have not tried grouping it without the suppressor.
I’ve never had good luck with CX across my .270 and a 6.5 Creedmoor. Have yet to try in my 7 PRC. Similar to you I had huge groups. 4-6 inches. Probably can’t write off the ammo off just two rifles but despite that, I have never had ammo shoot anywhere near as bad as ai have had CX shoot. Let alone premium ammo.
The copper bullets seem to have a reputation for a couple things I’ve been made aware of in terms of grouping shots. First is you need to start with a squeaky clean barrel. If it’s fouled with regular jacketed lead bullets it apparently hurts accuracy. Also copper bullets apparently need more “jump” than lead ones, meaning some chambers may be more ideal than others if using factory ammo. I’m in the process of testing the clean barrel hypothesis with a couple rifles.
@@phild9813 The CX was first load I tried in my brand new Bergara in 6.5 and it shoot extremely poorly. The .270 was not clean but about equally as bad. I have short Barnes LRX through the 6.5 Bergara and they shoot famously. My best group with that rifle was with Barnes 127 LRX. 4 shots in a hole about the size of a penny and a final 5th shot just about 1/3 inch below the hole.
I'll stick with my old "1990"s mod 700 in 280rem, 150gr nosler partition in warm handloads 2950/2975 , 24" stnls barrel. ,75 to 1moa . No need for a magnum here in Ga. For black bear, big hogs& big bucks in rut unless you like to shootem@ 1/4 mile just my humble opinion. Big thanks for another great test Chuck!
That 7mm PRC CX stuff is real sluggish. I get the same energy out of 20“ 30-06 with a handload that’s below spec max pressure. Might be time for a Hornady box vs reality video on a range of cartridges 😂
In my Browning X-Bolt Hell's Canyon Speed 7mm PRC (24" Barrel): Hornady Outfitter 160 gr CX averaged 2942 fps with a average group size of 1.43". 54 degrees at 550 ft altitude.
I'm working on a new 280AI with a Bartlein barrel, 24". This cartridge is new to me. I'm using once fired Norma brass, Fed210M primers, H4831SC, and 168 Berger VLDs. So far I'm up to 2960s with no pressure signs yet. I have a 7RemMag Krieger barrel (26") that shoots one hole groups with the same bullet and 73.0 grains of Retumbo at 3010fps. I've had 7RemMags off and on for the last 35 years. Now I kinda wish I had tried a 280AI sooner. Still love my 280 Rem also
I've got a re-barreled (Krieger) Remington Sendero shooting 180 Berger VLDs at 2900+ fps with 68.5 gr H1000 using Norma brass with under 0.5 MOA. Haven't seen anything on a 7mm PRC to make me want to change. Personally at best the differences are marginal...except Hornady's marketing dollars to sell the new and shiny trinket.
@@david834 Barrel length on that Krieger? My 7RemMag didn't shoot the BVLD 180s well at all for unknown reasons with H1000 or Retumbo. It's been so long ago I don't recall how much effort I put into it though. I'm very pleased with all of my 7PRCs. Having 2 more barrels chambered in that cartridge to fit my Terminus Zeus QC action
@@Accuracy1st 26" barrel with 1:9 or 1:8.5 twist, can't remember. The guy that helped me shoots nothing but H1000 in his 7mm Rem Mags, and that's essentially all he hunts with here in the US, Africa (except large, dangerous game), or wherever. That Sendero has always been a tack-driver, with the previous barrel more towards 140 grain bullets. Suspect that was twist rate. There's no question that 7mm PRC is a very good round - accurate, fast, and flat. I guess sometimes my shackles get raised when Hornady pushes their ad stuff. Not saying these guys do that, but Hornady designed the round and produces the vast majority of commercial offerings. I've experienced the "latest and greatest" fads with RUMs, WSMs, 6.5 CMs over the last 25 years, and now this.
@@david834 Yep. Most of us experienced it. I bought a 300RUM 700, put a 28" Shilen #4 on it. Insane accuracy with 180 Scirocco IIs and Reloder 25. Ended up selling it after I realized nothing in NA needs that power to be killed. I bypassed all the SAUMs and WSMs at the time due to the nonsense of stuffing big bullets into short cases. Just didn't make sense then or now. Never had a need or desire for 6.5CM due to having two excellent 6.5-284 Normas, but bought a few Tikkas in that cartridge due to the sale prices. Now I also have 300WSMs - LONG. I basically took the Alex Wheeler concept with the PRCs and had my own Reamer made so the 210 BVLD seats long just like the PRCs. Used that reamer in a factory Tikka 300WSM and just switched out the short mag for a long mag. It's excellent. Then I had a Brux barrel chambered with it for my Terminus action.
I have a 40 yr old Rem 700 BDL in 7RM. 150 CX 3 shots 2954 avg, Norma Whitetail 150 @2882 and Horn 162 ELD-X went 2874. Best group was the CX at 1.25” but none were close to Federal 160 Partitions that group 3/4”.
Try the 155 terminal accent…I got some but no optic on my 7mag rn to test em..$73bx last yr…I’ve heard good things about em doin exactly what the bx says..expansion at 50yrds the same out to 1400…sexy lookin cartridge I have to say…$3.75shot
@curly__3 lol I don't think a 7mm08 is going to shoot 175 grain bullets anywhere near a prc. It is a little more slow than expected, just means better barrel life right lol.
My 280AI barrels is 20" because I always will run it suppressed if I can. I gave up 125fps when I had the barrel cut from 24". I think shorter barrels is the new norm.
I spoke to hornady and the powder being used currently is staballHD. Now the powder used during the development of this cartridge was RLD 26 and H1000 and that’s the powder they want to use. Due to powder shortages by hodgen and such they decided to reload with staball to keep the flow of ammo in stores going. Essentially these are bad batches and once the powders they want to use are available we will be getting the velocities we want and see a increase of accuracy
Never design a cartridge that will have limited performance. They should have made the body longer and a coal of 3.6” it would have been money. Then it wouldn’t have mattered what powder you’re using. Also 7mm heavies like n570, Retumbo and RL33. RL26 and h1000 is not a top end for the heavies. As example 6mm ARC 108 match ammo is listed at 2750 with 24” barrel. I have a 22” and it runs 2615. They just lie on their box of ammo when it comes to their cartridges like 7 PRC and 6mm ARC. Now I’ve had better luck with 6.5 PRC. I do believe that is the best one of them all.
Completely agree with everything you said, with handloads I can easily hit that 3000 make and then some but I am not a fan of them having to have the absolute perfect powder to get the advertised velocity.
@@jiminator5 that’s just it with the ARC. The powders that get the best velocity is cfe223 and lever. Both are horrible unstable and sucks to measure. And even on a perfect day it would never achieve those numbers. In the end all it means is they 100% lied on the box.
I was really impressed when the 7prc came out. Now that its been out, and people have been running the numbers, not so much now. Still a great round, but not what it was speced and advertised as. Personally id stick with the 7rm, 280AI. More bullet selection and availibility. This goes the same with the 300prc. Id rather have a 300wm, 300wsm. Thanks for posting and keeping it honest and real for the viewers.
Just curious but how do you have more bullet selection in 7RemMag and 280AI over a 7PRC when all three are 7mm? Or are you only referring to factory ammo availability?
@@chadperry4021 Would preffer it in a 26inch barrel, but thats just me. Had a 300prc in my hand, and then went and looked on the shelves at sportmans and no ammo whatsoever. Bought a 300wm instead with a 26inch barrel and the shelves were full of ammo and selection. Personally the 300wm fits me better for what i do with it. Less weight, less recoil, shorter bolt, ammo availibility everywhere, and selection. Nothing wrong persay about the 300prc, it just needs to simmer for a bit will say, and let the ammo manufacturers catch up. For now the 300wm rules the roost for most hunters, and can be hotroded to even beat the prc if one chooses. Prc is maxed after you handload it. So no one is really in a hurry to jump ship to it if they already own it, especially if all they do is hunt with it, like myself.
@@Longtrailside I have a Bergara hmr wilderness in 300 prc with a 26 in barrel with brake. 225 eldm averting 2836 the only group I’ve shot after I zeroed it was .442. My only complaint is finding ammo. It’s bar none my favorite gun it’s not for hunting my 06 is still an 06. Legit 4000 lbs of energy at the muzzle, it make my plates move more at 300 yards than my 308 does at 100. No sammi spec win mag is touching it. A project I would love to do is a 300 wsm in a long action shooting the 225 eldm.
Just got 2 cases of Hornady 7PRC 160 CX ammo on auction at $38 delivered (per box). I don't have high hopes for velocity or accuracy but plan to shoot as is in 4 different 7PRCs I have. If it works in one or more, fine. If not, I'll pull a box at a time, weigh all the powder, split it evenly over 20 rounds, resize the case necks to 0.003 less than a loaded round with my neck bushing die, open it up 0.001 with my turning mandrel, and start playing with seating depth. Kind of like handloading but the process will at least even out all the powder charges and ensure, hopefully, more consistent B-O measurements and neck tension. Plus, only monolithics I've used are Barnes. Wouldn't mind seeing how the Hornady CX does on game. But, mostly what I see on youtube is poor accuracy.
My 7 PRC with 24” barrel averaged 2960 with Federal 175 ELD-X and 2980 with Federal 170 Terminal Ascent. This is with a new barrel with less than 60 rounds on it.
Three years back they said it was temporary , they are skimping and maybe I boycott them ,it is not hard to source whatever they plate those with ,mostly a cheap nickle alloyed.
Good ballistics tests thanks Chuck. Lots of good 7MM out there. But the 7MM RM is still pretty good . Acknowledging short barrels apples and oranges etc 🇺🇸 🇳🇿
i would try some handloads with the same bullet for each cartridge...maybe like the 162 sst for example. Hopefully this might give you a closer comparison, not counting the barrel length difference.
I was suggesting the bullet mainly for velocity comparisons, not necessarily for terminal performance. My apologies for not clarifying my comment.@@AlaskanBallistics
@brianclair1323 no apologies needed my friend. In my next video on this I plan on doing some terminal energy performance, So I think i'm going to try one forty five grain l r x
I thought I saw something last week about Hornady saying that the velocities of ammo is lower than published because they haven't been able to get enough of the powder that the load was using for the published data. So they've used a different powder that doesn't produce the same velocities but does maintain accuracy. I don't remember them saying anything about when they expect to get the better powder.
I noticed with 7 PRC a good barrel and chamber make the different in velocity and accuracy. I have a seekins precision Ph2 with a 26 in barrel and that thing shoots same hole with the ELDX and under 1 MOA with the ELDM... don't have a chrono but the drop is inline with the box ballistics.
@@AlaskanBallisticsI haven't tested with the CX yet sadly - once I printed same hole with the ELDX multiple different days, it was hard to justify trying to shoot anything else😅. Looking at the data, its odd to me that CX at 160 is claiming the same velo as the ELDX at 175...
@tylervolentine1286 all copper bullets are longer because copper isn't as dense as lead. So there's less room for powder without compressing it. Eld-x tends to shatter on bones so take a careful shot! The 162gr hot the spine in on my second caribou and shattered so fast that it failed to break the spine. Looked like I was spring ducks on the water with a shotgun pattern in the lake behind her.
@@AlaskanBallisticsOh interesting, I haven't had that experience... though nearly all rifle shots have been on large whitetail, pronghorn, and ibex so... not huge or tough critters. Even on those, Ive had them eat copper and lead rounds from various calibers at non extreme ranges (within 300 yards) and failed to penetrate. Probably depends on angle, energy, and of course that particular bullet composition.
The prc is slightly more efficient so if I we’re looking for a new rifle I’d go with the prc but if I already had a rem mag I wouldn’t get rid of it to get the prc.
My wife 280ai with a 26in barrel sends 168 Bergers at right at 3100 fps. My 7prc only has a 20in barrel on it and I have started load development for it. But it's getting 2800 with 180 factory ammo.
In my eyes most of the prc cartridges are for people who want hand load type precision but don't want to have to load them. They can just buy boxed ammo that is still sub par with hand loads but better than most of the standard box loads for most regular cartridges. I shoot 7mm Rem Mag loaded long in a throated barrel using 195 EOL at 2900 fps.
That’s running slow. I run a 195 with a Saami throat at 2912 as a node and 3000 as the top end. And also no factory ammo will be as good as handloads. Especially hornady. It’s just a type of marketing.
@@jtigertic but how are you forming your brass. I hydro form to the chamber and bump it back for .002 of headspace. My fired case is 88 grains of water. Using normal brass and cci250 or fed 215m. Using n570 of powder but RL33 should be close.
I'm getting 1/2-3/4 moa from 147 grain 6.5 prc savage high country. I've yet to find any factory monolithic loads in any of the calibers I shoot that are sub moa. Seems to be a common thing with monolithic bullets.
Honestly the two seem almost identical. The only real difference is belted vs non belted. 7RM has more rifles and way more ammo. I'm not even sure the BC difference is all that great.
Exactly. it was invented to shoot the heavier bullet because the bullet design wrings out far more BC than a 7 Rem Mag and delivers better at longer ranges.(not up close on a chronograph)
I get 3666fps from my waypoint 6.5prc…..95gr v max over 58gr h4350 Remington magnum primers….if I had a better optic I could do some holdovers and longer range cause I only have my 25yr old Walmart simmons 14x on it and I’ve shot some incredible groups but it’s the weak link..and me of course..250yrds it gets to a 20oz like a 40gr .22-.250…and tears it all to hell..great accuracy at that high of speeds too…very hard on barrel and you can tell it when they go off…man what a blast
@@AlaskanBallistics those and my 110gr v max and varmageddons in .308 are nasty..they run over 3500fps 24” fn spr big ol barrel…awsome rifle..bolt is like 2 glass walrus peckers slidin side by side
Just saw a video of some factory barnes lrx for 7 prc. Stuff was pretty fast amd very accurate. Hope to find some soon. If you can get your hands on some id be curious how they perform up in alaska. @AlaskanBallistics
Ron Spomer did a video on this. The mono bullet metal and standard lead core bullets don’t play well together. Do a strip clean and see if it shoots better. Would be a good video. :)
7PRC Mountain reaper with a 22" barrel was clocking these Hornady CS's at 2980-3000 with the labradar.. not sure why it would be that much faster than your numbers but I do know one thing.. for a rifle that comes with a half MOA guarantee it was grouping these Outfitter 160CX's in 6 inch groups at 100 yards. Absolutely hates them. I suspect from the lack of targets and your comments at 50 yards you are seeing similar results?
7 prc is just a modernized 7 rem mag. Optimized for more performance with High bc bullets from the factory, the 7 rem mag will do the same but you have to hand load and get a custom barrel. The velocity difference is basically cause Hornady loads pud loads at this point lol. If i was buying new today it would be a prc because its more plug n play. Same thing applies to my 6 arc. Hornady leaves 100-150 fps on the table vs hand loads.
There is only a little practical difference between the cartridges. I think the 7 PRC is "better" for 2 reasons. First it's easier to get accurate affordable mass produced rifles with the newer beltless case design and chamber specifications. Secondly the faster twist rate in the bareel and case design to allow for longer bullets not taking up powder space in the case. I think in an extreme case there could be as much as a %10 to %15 realistic performance improvement max. And with 7 rem mag you generally have plenty anyway. However if you had a challenge of take $2000 go to the store get a rifle scope and ammo to shoot a PRS match with I think the PRC would have a noticable advantage. Swap the same scenario to an elk hunt instead of a PRS match and I think the wider availability of 7 rem mag ammo options outpace any perceived advantage of a 7 PRC.
Haven't been a fan of the CX in 7 PRC. Best performance has been federal 170 terminal ascent and federal 175 ELD-X for me - both in speed and accuracy.
@@deanriley4700 oooooh just checked. The new factory ammo for 7prc has 155 and now 170. I thought it was very odd that Federal released the 7prc with the same weight as the rem mag. Now I want to try the 170s in my rem mag for hand loads lol.
God bless. Would be interesting to see how the velocities would compare when the same bullet was used. And also the amount of powder and barrel length necessary to achieve the velocities. There is the difference. However, if you already have a 7RemMag, why would you give it up? You showed us there’s no reason. Cheers. Good job.
Curious thought from a non reloader. Has anyone put a prc bullet into a non prc cartride and vise versa? How did it go? Was it accurate? Over pressure? Just wondering also it it even possible if you can even seat it low enough or high enough.
They're the same diameter so yes you could reload them into either cartridge, but because the Rem mag bullet sits farther down into the case, it could have pressure problems, unless of course, you adjust the powder charge to make the change, which you would do. I'd have no issues putting the 160gr cx in my 7mm rem mag
@@AlaskanBallistics Thanks for the answering. I figured if they were the same size why dont they just load them into the older cartridges. Yes powder capacity would be lower, but it would be fun to see what you could do with them vise versa. Have you ever done this, and made a video about it?
I am with you on the 7mm Remington magnum... No need to spend money on such a similar cartridge.. It's just a marketing hype to keep the gun economy running.. My opinion. Thanks for the video
It’s just not a new idea same as 5.56 nato to the 223.The case capacity is just to small on the 7 prc.I think they missed there goal.I had my rifles throat opened up long ago.I guess it was a custom touch.
The 7mm prc is just another over hyped cartridge. Like Randy Selby says, you need more case capacity or much higher pressures to produce high velocities. The 7 prc has neither over the 7mm rem mag. It's really simple math. The only newer cartridges that really impressed me were the WSM and WSSM family of cartridges. I have several 25 wssms, and they really do something that the prc family of cartridges don't do. The 25 produces almost identical velocity to the old 25/06 in a 223 length cartridge. It will handle 65,000 psi all day long, which is how it replicates 25/06 velocities using around 8-10 less grains of powder. Great cartridge in a real handy little rifle. To me, the 7 prc is like the 6.5 creedmoor to 260 remington comparison. There was never anything wrong with the 260 it just didn't come out at the right time. It's slightly faster than the creedmoor, more case capacity. Simple math.
Seems apparent that the only thing Hornady does right is dominate the availablity and marketing/advertising to promote a mediocre or just slightly improved cartridge; especially to us hunters. The prc cartridges also appear to be more designated by engineering towards target accuracy and target rules and peramiters as oposed to maximum energy and smooth cycling; a desire I learned about hunting in bear country. Classics cartridges will always be classics for a reason as hunters endure where target shooters trend.
The prc have better neck tension and are typically slightly faster. The 6.5prc is great and the 300prc is great. The 7mm requires Alliant reloader 26 powder and no one can get that right now.. No one!
My buddy has a prc and he shoots bottle caps off at 900 yards with the damn thing. If u know the windage out to your target and shot it enough that gun will dump but he also built his own loads for that specific gun he isnt using mass produced everything is hand loaded for it.
@@HoffnerPrecision i didnt actually mean he shoots bottle caps at 900 yards i was simply saying it fires a very tight pattern when the appropriate shooter is behind the bag. I didnt mean it in the literal sense maybe try not to read so much into someones comment. Yes ive seen some solid groups at 900 yards to make me say that but no he wasnt shooting at actual bottle caps. Sorry for the confusion obviously that flew right over all of your heads.
@@AlaskanBallistics yeah i thats why i thought i should specify although i have no doubt he could shoot some bottle caps off with it just not maybe at 900 yards. Didnt want everyone thinking im some giant fish catching story kinda guy. Ive been lucky enough to shoot and own some tack drivers so i know its possible. 204 is a pretty wicked little tack driver as is my 25 wssm but they are bull barreled monsters
The only comparison that needs to be made is 162 grain eld-x ,eld-m or 168 grain Berger vld 7mag compared to 180 grain Berger vld, hornady 180 eld-m, 175 g eld-x in 7 PRC. For me if I need a pissing contest between the two I will pull out the 300 WM with a 210 g Berger!
Keep in mind 7 rem mag is saami limited to 61ksi…while the prc is 65ksi. Handload the 7 mag hotter it should pick up some more over factory while being perfectly safe
Pretty close results. 200 fps difference. Subtract 25 fps for each inch of less barrel length then it's a difference of 100 fps. Then with the 10 grain difference in bullet weight makes it about a draw.
You have to thoroughly clean your bore before you run a copper round down it if you want any accuracy. Don’t ask me why I have not heard the reason for it yet, but I have a friends as well as my Rifles that will not shoot that cartridge and bullet, unless it has been thoroughly cleaned.
Even with the 24in barrel you won’t gain that much. Time and time again we’re seeing that the 7prc is not what it should be with factory ammo so how much more are you gaining from it compared to the 7rem mag? Hand loading is really the only way to go and we know the 7rem beats it in that aspect.
I so nervous to try my ammo I live in the state of California as u know this is a lead free hunting state I have no choice for now but to use the Hornady outfitter cx 7mm prc I haven't see a video that can shoot well this ammo I'm screwed 😮 I should of gone with the good 7 mm reg instead but I got brain wash
PRC would have met the box numbers with a 24in barrel. You roughly gain or loose 50fps for every 1in of barrel. That said your 26in barrel would have been around 2900fps. And your bullet was 10gr lighter.
Every video that I have watched when comparing these two cartridges, shows basically the same information. Hornady is basically lying to the public about factory velocities on the 7PRC for sales. The cartridge takes advantage of the faster twist rates and allowing the bullet to be seated out further, thus not impeding case capacity. Any hand loader knows, that by seating the 7mag out longer than saami specs which is 3.290", will allow the bullet to not impede the powder column in the case, thus allowing for more powder and better velocities. My 7mag load is seated to 3.415" which is still .020" off the lands. And save me the "more efficient cartridge" BS for other videos, which you didn't mention and thank you for that. Given same pressures, same twist rate, same bullet, old Big 7 will still dominate.
@@AlaskanBallistics No I don't. Mine is a 9.5 twist Browning Abolt II Medallion 7mag with BOSS system that I have had since the early 90's or whenever the BOSS system was introduced by Browning. Decided to start loading for it about a year ago just to see. I have been reloading for my other rifles for a long time but with all this 7 PRC craze, I decided to give it a shot. My magazine is modified to allow up to a maximum COAL of 3.710" which is well pass the saami spec of the 7mag at 3.290". This extra length allows for more powder column as well as seat the bullet out to where the boattail meets the neck/shoulder junction, like they did with the 7 PRC. So I question anyone with the PRC as to why can you do it and not me with the 7mag. My only issue is I'm limited weight wise do to my twist rate, but I will definitely touch the land before I run into any magazine constraints. The 7 PRC is a nice cartridge in factory form and could prob be a little more with handloading, but Hornady need to be truthful with these "made up" velocities.
@stephendupont9293 that's awesome on your rifle. Agreed with you about hornady. I'm .300 win mag it takes me a 26" barrel to get their box velocities that they test in a 24" or 25" according to the reloading manual.
PRC's are overated. People say they have to be chambered in a long or short barrel or a different brand of gun. That's why I stick with the old guns. The kinks are already worked out. I'm sure the PRC'S are good rifles, but I'm not impressed.
Wasn't one of the brags for the short fat case that you could get simular velocity from a shorter barrel? I considered that argument bs from the start, but using that argument, the 7prc failed miserable. Even so, 4 inches of extra barrel wouldn't make up the difference, so for hunting 7rem all the way.
@AlaskanBallistics I obviously don't have pressure testing equipment, but in my reloading experience, powders of similar burn rate produce similar velocity, with the Vihtavuori 5 series gaining a little. Either way, the other ammo companies have to deal with the same shortages. I've also concluded that there is no magic case shape that changes anything in regards to velocity regardless of barrel length or powder capacity. I remember the same brags when the wsm's came out. It didn't take long for people to figure out otherwise. Thanks for the content and interaction.
@@AlaskanBallistics yes. my 6.5cm used to hit 2800fps with the 143gr ELDx. now they hit around 2650fps. sea level. Right Now Im going with 130gr Terminal Ascent.
That CX ammo is pretty disappointing. Seems like the vast majority of barrels won’t group with it, and those velocities are embarrassing. The 180 ELDM is rated at 2975 with a 24” barrel but I’m averaging 2820. Also embarrassing. Hornady can do much better. When (if?) Hornady ever gets it together, the only benefit of 7PRC over mag is the faster twist barrel so you can shoot heavier bullets, and the lack of the belt. Having said that, that’s good enough for me, I got a 7PRC for the long range capability, and it doesn’t disappoint.
7mm Prc is over hyped for the ballistic gain of 150fps. Buy another rifle ,and hard to find ammo. To much is stacked against the Prc line. The 7mm Rem mag and the old calibers will always be a better choice . Reloading components are unlimited as well a s tweaking your ammo for a custom load. Great video thanks I will but a 7mm mag 110.👍👍
Not really. Both my 7x64 & 7mm RM Sakos have 22.6” (570mm) barrels, and match/exceed the velocity you obtained for the 7PRC WITH 160gr bullets. I use Hunter in the 7x64 & H1000 or Magpro in the RM.
Who are these comparisons between 7 and 7 mm Remington mag. Remington Magnum is the most accurate cartridge I have ever fired and it was in my very first Centerfire rifle. A Ruger Model 77 and it would shoot a 20 round group regularly at less than 50,000 of a inch Center to Center spread. And if you don't get more than just a hundred to 200 ft Velocity from the same projectiles comma You're not getting anything better out of that cartridge the seven mil Remington mag is a belted cartridge which means that when you close the bolt the round is being held in the center of the chamber. Non belted Magnums lie on the bottom of the chamber or play to one side or the other side of the chamber but they don't Center up on the chamber unless you have gotten it to just barely shove itself up onto the shoulder of the cartridge. You're not going to get that with anything but hand loaded ammo.
I’m not impressed with 7 prc. Lots left in the table and in my opinion they are just jumping on the long bullet look. It’s great if it’s functional. A 7SAUM walks all over this. The REM Mag is capable of exceptionally more than the 7 PRC in a hand load. Sure you could load up the 7prc but you won’t see as much benefit as a long seated 7 REM. The prc lacks the case design it should have to have the full potential
Hornady always inflates their numbers. PRC wins with heavy low drag bullets. REM mag wins for everything else for every other purpose, except bench rest
@@AlaskanBallistics I will be in Palmer the evening of June 27 looking at homes and property. Were thinking about relocating to Palmer or Wasilla if my wife can transfer to Elmendorf AFB.
Reloading weatherby has been testing the prc and it’s getting 280ai velocity at best . The 7 mag out paced it with 180 grain bullets as well. Keep your 7 mags this prc is wayyyyy overhyped .
Weatherby dude has got something very wrong with his setup, not saying he’s doing it on purpose but something is wayyy off because other people are getting far higher numbers
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SO...7PRC is giving 280 Rem #s?!?!? Long live the 7mm Rem Mag!!!!!
280 AI seems to be equalling or beating the PRC
@WayStedYou possibly, we were getting 2750s with 162gr factory in a 22" barrel.
My factory browning 7 mag with a 22” barrel maxed out at 3036fps with a 175gn. My node was 2970.
@SpudOutdoors nice
only in Hornady factory ammo lol. keep dreaming
O.G. 7mm mag. Never let me down. Keep it simple.
completely agree
I was averaging 2911 FPS with the 160 gr CX with my 24 inch barrel... and was getting 4 inch groups with it. You should pull some of the bullets and see what powder they are using.
I might do that...
Would be interesting. The Outfitter with 180 grain CXs in one of my 30-06s shoots well under an inch, with a suppressor. I have not tried grouping it without the suppressor.
I’ve never had good luck with CX across my .270 and a 6.5 Creedmoor. Have yet to try in my 7 PRC. Similar to you I had huge groups. 4-6 inches. Probably can’t write off the ammo off just two rifles but despite that, I have never had ammo shoot anywhere near as bad as ai have had CX shoot. Let alone premium ammo.
The copper bullets seem to have a reputation for a couple things I’ve been made aware of in terms of grouping shots. First is you need to start with a squeaky clean barrel. If it’s fouled with regular jacketed lead bullets it apparently hurts accuracy. Also copper bullets apparently need more “jump” than lead ones, meaning some chambers may be more ideal than others if using factory ammo. I’m in the process of testing the clean barrel hypothesis with a couple rifles.
@@phild9813 The CX was first load I tried in my brand new Bergara in 6.5 and it shoot extremely poorly. The .270 was not clean but about equally as bad. I have short Barnes LRX through the 6.5 Bergara and they shoot famously. My best group with that rifle was with Barnes 127 LRX. 4 shots in a hole about the size of a penny and a final 5th shot just about 1/3 inch below the hole.
Appreciate this comparison,. Ithink I made my mind and going with the 7mag!
I averaged 2916 fps with the 160 CX in my 7prc ( Mossberg Patriot Predator) 24" barrel. 80 degree day, 700 ft elevation.
Thanks!
I'll stick with my old "1990"s mod 700 in 280rem, 150gr nosler partition in warm handloads 2950/2975 , 24" stnls barrel. ,75 to 1moa . No need for a magnum here in Ga. For black bear, big hogs& big bucks in rut unless you like to shootem@ 1/4 mile just my humble opinion. Big thanks for another great test Chuck!
That's a good choice! Godspeed and good hunting
That 7mm PRC CX stuff is real sluggish. I get the same energy out of 20“ 30-06 with a handload that’s below spec max pressure. Might be time for a Hornady box vs reality video on a range of cartridges 😂
Will be trying that
@@AlaskanBallistics awesome
I use 180 grain Outfitter CX. I need to figure out getting it chono-ed and see its speed.
I think hornady uses a 30” barrel for their ballistics 😂
@thedirtygot9570 their loading manual says 24"
In my Browning X-Bolt Hell's Canyon Speed 7mm PRC (24" Barrel): Hornady Outfitter 160 gr CX averaged 2942 fps with a average group size of 1.43". 54 degrees at 550 ft altitude.
That's good information thank you!
I'm working on a new 280AI with a Bartlein barrel, 24". This cartridge is new to me. I'm using once fired Norma brass, Fed210M primers, H4831SC, and 168 Berger VLDs. So far I'm up to 2960s with no pressure signs yet. I have a 7RemMag Krieger barrel (26") that shoots one hole groups with the same bullet and 73.0 grains of Retumbo at 3010fps. I've had 7RemMags off and on for the last 35 years. Now I kinda wish I had tried a 280AI sooner. Still love my 280 Rem also
So cool
I've got a re-barreled (Krieger) Remington Sendero shooting 180 Berger VLDs at 2900+ fps with 68.5 gr H1000 using Norma brass with under 0.5 MOA. Haven't seen anything on a 7mm PRC to make me want to change. Personally at best the differences are marginal...except Hornady's marketing dollars to sell the new and shiny trinket.
@@david834 Barrel length on that Krieger? My 7RemMag didn't shoot the BVLD 180s well at all for unknown reasons with H1000 or Retumbo. It's been so long ago I don't recall how much effort I put into it though.
I'm very pleased with all of my 7PRCs. Having 2 more barrels chambered in that cartridge to fit my Terminus Zeus QC action
@@Accuracy1st 26" barrel with 1:9 or 1:8.5 twist, can't remember. The guy that helped me shoots nothing but H1000 in his 7mm Rem Mags, and that's essentially all he hunts with here in the US, Africa (except large, dangerous game), or wherever. That Sendero has always been a tack-driver, with the previous barrel more towards 140 grain bullets. Suspect that was twist rate.
There's no question that 7mm PRC is a very good round - accurate, fast, and flat. I guess sometimes my shackles get raised when Hornady pushes their ad stuff. Not saying these guys do that, but Hornady designed the round and produces the vast majority of commercial offerings. I've experienced the "latest and greatest" fads with RUMs, WSMs, 6.5 CMs over the last 25 years, and now this.
@@david834 Yep. Most of us experienced it. I bought a 300RUM 700, put a 28" Shilen #4 on it. Insane accuracy with 180 Scirocco IIs and Reloder 25. Ended up selling it after I realized nothing in NA needs that power to be killed. I bypassed all the SAUMs and WSMs at the time due to the nonsense of stuffing big bullets into short cases. Just didn't make sense then or now. Never had a need or desire for 6.5CM due to having two excellent 6.5-284 Normas, but bought a few Tikkas in that cartridge due to the sale prices. Now I also have 300WSMs - LONG. I basically took the Alex Wheeler concept with the PRCs and had my own Reamer made so the 210 BVLD seats long just like the PRCs. Used that reamer in a factory Tikka 300WSM and just switched out the short mag for a long mag. It's excellent. Then I had a Brux barrel chambered with it for my Terminus action.
I have a 40 yr old Rem 700 BDL in 7RM. 150 CX 3 shots 2954 avg, Norma Whitetail 150 @2882 and Horn 162 ELD-X went 2874. Best group was the CX at 1.25” but none were close to Federal 160 Partitions that group 3/4”.
My Remington 700 wouldn't group those positions at all. Oh well every rifle is different! Godspeed and Good hunting to you and yours.
Try the 155 terminal accent…I got some but no optic on my 7mag rn to test em..$73bx last yr…I’ve heard good things about em doin exactly what the bx says..expansion at 50yrds the same out to 1400…sexy lookin cartridge I have to say…$3.75shot
@@charlesmullins3238you can find the terminal ascent for 7RM around 50ish online. Do some digging, before the new prices become normalized.
This is what I really like about this guy he pulls no punches and tells the truth good video bud
Thank you kindly
I handload 7 rem mag 160gr from a 24'' barrel at 2950...and I've had it loaded to 3,100 fps with that bullet. The prc looks like a glorified 7mm08.
Possibly so. Thanks for watching and the comment. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours
@curly__3 So true.......shh their feelings might get hurt even more as their purchase becomes more and more evident in actual results
@curly__3 lol I don't think a 7mm08 is going to shoot 175 grain bullets anywhere near a prc. It is a little more slow than expected, just means better barrel life right lol.
22” barrel is great when you put a 6”-8” long suppressor on the end of it!
My 280AI barrels is 20" because I always will run it suppressed if I can. I gave up 125fps when I had the barrel cut from 24". I think shorter barrels is the new norm.
@texpatriot8462 interesting. And cool
I spoke to hornady and the powder being used currently is staballHD. Now the powder used during the development of this cartridge was RLD 26 and H1000 and that’s the powder they want to use. Due to powder shortages by hodgen and such they decided to reload with staball to keep the flow of ammo in stores going. Essentially these are bad batches and once the powders they want to use are available we will be getting the velocities we want and see a increase of accuracy
That's good
Never design a cartridge that will have limited performance. They should have made the body longer and a coal of 3.6” it would have been money. Then it wouldn’t have mattered what powder you’re using. Also 7mm heavies like n570, Retumbo and RL33. RL26 and h1000 is not a top end for the heavies. As example 6mm ARC 108 match ammo is listed at 2750 with 24” barrel. I have a 22” and it runs 2615. They just lie on their box of ammo when it comes to their cartridges like 7 PRC and 6mm ARC. Now I’ve had better luck with 6.5 PRC. I do believe that is the best one of them all.
Completely agree with everything you said, with handloads I can easily hit that 3000 make and then some but I am not a fan of them having to have the absolute perfect powder to get the advertised velocity.
@@jiminator5 that’s just it with the ARC. The powders that get the best velocity is cfe223 and lever. Both are horrible unstable and sucks to measure. And even on a perfect day it would never achieve those numbers. In the end all it means is they 100% lied on the box.
Well that explains the lies on the label. Really?? That's not ok with me or my friends.
I was really impressed when the 7prc came out. Now that its been out, and people have been running the numbers, not so much now. Still a great round, but not what it was speced and advertised as. Personally id stick with the 7rm, 280AI. More bullet selection and availibility. This goes the same with the 300prc. Id rather have a 300wm, 300wsm. Thanks for posting and keeping it honest and real for the viewers.
Just curious but how do you have more bullet selection in 7RemMag and 280AI over a 7PRC when all three are 7mm? Or are you only referring to factory ammo availability?
@@Accuracy1st Factory ammo.
What have you heard bad about 300 prc? Everyone I know who has one loves it. Gets advertised velocity and more.
@@chadperry4021 Would preffer it in a 26inch barrel, but thats just me. Had a 300prc in my hand, and then went and looked on the shelves at sportmans and no ammo whatsoever. Bought a 300wm instead with a 26inch barrel and the shelves were full of ammo and selection. Personally the 300wm fits me better for what i do with it. Less weight, less recoil, shorter bolt, ammo availibility everywhere, and selection. Nothing wrong persay about the 300prc, it just needs to simmer for a bit will say, and let the ammo manufacturers catch up. For now the 300wm rules the roost for most hunters, and can be hotroded to even beat the prc if one chooses. Prc is maxed after you handload it. So no one is really in a hurry to jump ship to it if they already own it, especially if all they do is hunt with it, like myself.
@@Longtrailside I have a Bergara hmr wilderness in 300 prc with a 26 in barrel with brake. 225 eldm averting 2836 the only group I’ve shot after I zeroed it was .442. My only complaint is finding ammo. It’s bar none my favorite gun it’s not for hunting my 06 is still an 06. Legit 4000 lbs of energy at the muzzle, it make my plates move more at 300 yards than my 308 does at 100. No sammi spec win mag is touching it. A project I would love to do is a 300 wsm in a long action shooting the 225 eldm.
Just got 2 cases of Hornady 7PRC 160 CX ammo on auction at $38 delivered (per box). I don't have high hopes for velocity or accuracy but plan to shoot as is in 4 different 7PRCs I have. If it works in one or more, fine. If not, I'll pull a box at a time, weigh all the powder, split it evenly over 20 rounds, resize the case necks to 0.003 less than a loaded round with my neck bushing die, open it up 0.001 with my turning mandrel, and start playing with seating depth. Kind of like handloading but the process will at least even out all the powder charges and ensure, hopefully, more consistent B-O measurements and neck tension. Plus, only monolithics I've used are Barnes. Wouldn't mind seeing how the Hornady CX does on game. But, mostly what I see on youtube is poor accuracy.
I've gotten a 1 inch group with hornady cx 190gr handloads in b my .300 win mag
I’ve been told by numerous people that Federals loading of the eld-x actually does achieve 3,000 fps out of a 24” barrel. Wonder if it’s true
The 170 grain terminal ascent will get 3k my x bolt in 24 inch barrel got a high of 3020
@Matt-en1kn nice!!
@@Matt-en1kn sweet, thanks for sharing with us. Sounds like Federals loadings are the way to go.
Oh that's good to know!
My 7 PRC with 24” barrel averaged 2960 with Federal 175 ELD-X and 2980 with Federal 170 Terminal Ascent. This is with a new barrel with less than 60 rounds on it.
I really like your 7mmRemMag set up. Good stuff.
Me too except the weight
Glad to see Hornady has enough nickle for those cases , just not enough for Critical Defence...
Yeah. Components are getting scarce. If it's have to choose if choose a rifle cartridge over pistol cartridges too.
Three years back they said it was temporary , they are skimping and maybe I boycott them ,it is not hard to source whatever they plate those with ,mostly a cheap nickle alloyed.
Just for reference. My 22” PRC pushes the 175 factory loading at 2925
Nice. Thank you
As a lot like any new rounds developed in the last 25 years there mostly marketing hype. The best is simple what ever you have the most confidence in.
True.
7mm mag is so common, love availability of ammo and guns.
Agreed
7mm Rem Mag is my favorite.
It's a good one.
Good ballistics tests thanks Chuck. Lots of good 7MM out there. But the 7MM RM is still pretty good . Acknowledging short barrels apples and oranges etc 🇺🇸 🇳🇿
Thanks David! I appreciate you!
i would try some handloads with the same bullet for each cartridge...maybe like the 162 sst for example. Hopefully this might give you a closer comparison, not counting the barrel length difference.
I plan on it, but using a big game bullet. Seen that sst shatter everytime.
I was suggesting the bullet mainly for velocity comparisons, not necessarily for terminal performance. My apologies for not clarifying my comment.@@AlaskanBallistics
@brianclair1323 no apologies needed my friend. In my next video on this I plan on doing some terminal energy performance, So I think i'm going to try one forty five grain l r x
I got those in the superformance and they seem to be scorchin..havnt cronoed em though
👍👍Thanks Chuck….I like that 7mm mag.
Me too it's on my top 3 favorite rifles
The Hornady CX ammo was such a disappointment in my 7PRC, ended up hand loading Barnes 168gr LRX.
Flatter harder hitting 7rm 80 years old design beats modern in flatness and energy. Just got 7rm in 1:8 26" threaded barrel browning x . High hopes
Awesome. Let me know how it shooting. My old browning I could never get to shoot straight.
I thought I saw something last week about Hornady saying that the velocities of ammo is lower than published because they haven't been able to get enough of the powder that the load was using for the published data. So they've used a different powder that doesn't produce the same velocities but does maintain accuracy. I don't remember them saying anything about when they expect to get the better powder.
They did say this. But these things grouped horrible too... 6 inches at 100 yards.
You have to clean the barrel before shooting all copper bullets in order to get tight groups. That's been well established.
@Simon-talks the barrel was cleaned
Wow, first time I’ve seen someone have major problems with accuracy with them.
I noticed with 7 PRC a good barrel and chamber make the different in velocity and accuracy. I have a seekins precision Ph2 with a 26 in barrel and that thing shoots same hole with the ELDX and under 1 MOA with the ELDM... don't have a chrono but the drop is inline with the box ballistics.
As with everything else, quality really helps! Glad you enjoy that rifle! How does it do with the CX load?
@@AlaskanBallisticsI haven't tested with the CX yet sadly - once I printed same hole with the ELDX multiple different days, it was hard to justify trying to shoot anything else😅. Looking at the data, its odd to me that CX at 160 is claiming the same velo as the ELDX at 175...
@tylervolentine1286 all copper bullets are longer because copper isn't as dense as lead. So there's less room for powder without compressing it. Eld-x tends to shatter on bones so take a careful shot!
The 162gr hot the spine in on my second caribou and shattered so fast that it failed to break the spine. Looked like I was spring ducks on the water with a shotgun pattern in the lake behind her.
@@AlaskanBallisticsOh interesting, I haven't had that experience... though nearly all rifle shots have been on large whitetail, pronghorn, and ibex so... not huge or tough critters. Even on those, Ive had them eat copper and lead rounds from various calibers at non extreme ranges (within 300 yards) and failed to penetrate. Probably depends on angle, energy, and of course that particular bullet composition.
@tylervolentine1286 i only use barnes lrx now
The prc is slightly more efficient so if I we’re looking for a new rifle I’d go with the prc but if I already had a rem mag I wouldn’t get rid of it to get the prc.
About how I feel. And if get the prc with a 26" barrel
I had to start with a clean barrel in my rifle before CX would group. Started at 3 inches and shrunk to 1-1.25.
Good to know
But these were both at 6"
My wife 280ai with a 26in barrel sends 168 Bergers at right at 3100 fps. My 7prc only has a 20in barrel on it and I have started load development for it. But it's getting 2800 with 180 factory ammo.
Cool let me know how it goes!
In my eyes most of the prc cartridges are for people who want hand load type precision but don't want to have to load them. They can just buy boxed ammo that is still sub par with hand loads but better than most of the standard box loads for most regular cartridges. I shoot 7mm Rem Mag loaded long in a throated barrel using 195 EOL at 2900 fps.
Nice!
That’s running slow. I run a 195 with a Saami throat at 2912 as a node and 3000 as the top end. And also no factory ammo will be as good as handloads. Especially hornady. It’s just a type of marketing.
@@SpudOutdoors I'm running mine with RL33 and Hornady brass and cci primers what are you using ?
@@jtigertic but how are you forming your brass. I hydro form to the chamber and bump it back for .002 of headspace. My fired case is 88 grains of water. Using normal brass and cci250 or fed 215m. Using n570 of powder but RL33 should be close.
I'm getting 1/2-3/4 moa from 147 grain 6.5 prc savage high country. I've yet to find any factory monolithic loads in any of the calibers I shoot that are sub moa. Seems to be a common thing with monolithic bullets.
Usually barnes lrx will shoot moa or better for me, but also not true in my 6.5 prc that I have my cameraman.
Honestly the two seem almost identical. The only real difference is belted vs non belted.
7RM has more rifles and way more ammo. I'm not even sure the BC difference is all that great.
The prc also doesn't have the bullet sitting all the way down into the powder charge.
The whole idea or point of the 7prc is to shoot heavy bullets like 175 gr not the lighter stuff used in the 7mm rem mag.
Agreed but the 175gr is a match bullet not hunting bullet
Exactly. it was invented to shoot the heavier bullet because the bullet design wrings out far more BC than a 7 Rem Mag and delivers better at longer ranges.(not up close on a chronograph)
@Simon-talks yeah but those eldm and eldx are absolute trash as hunting bullets. Even at distance
@@AlaskanBallistics these are CX bullets, all copper construction, not EDX bullets
@Simon-talks duh what's your point? My point is that the heavier bullets available, at least in factory ammo suck at hunting
Awesome Stuff Brother
Thanks brother
I get 3666fps from my waypoint 6.5prc…..95gr v max over 58gr h4350 Remington magnum primers….if I had a better optic I could do some holdovers and longer range cause I only have my 25yr old Walmart simmons 14x on it and I’ve shot some incredible groups but it’s the weak link..and me of course..250yrds it gets to a 20oz like a 40gr .22-.250…and tears it all to hell..great accuracy at that high of speeds too…very hard on barrel and you can tell it when they go off…man what a blast
That's fast
@@AlaskanBallistics those and my 110gr v max and varmageddons in .308 are nasty..they run over 3500fps 24” fn spr big ol barrel…awsome rifle..bolt is like 2 glass walrus peckers slidin side by side
My feirce liked the cx ammo. I was getting mid 2900s consistently. Cool video.
Thank you. Best of luck
@AlaskanBallistics you may finally have me sold that hornady ammo sucks lol. I can do with sub par performance as long as your up front about it lol.
Just saw a video of some factory barnes lrx for 7 prc. Stuff was pretty fast amd very accurate. Hope to find some soon. If you can get your hands on some id be curious how they perform up in alaska. @AlaskanBallistics
@MatthewKyle-sg5uo if it's gotten off the boat, I'll get some!
Ron Spomer did a video on this. The mono bullet metal and standard lead core bullets don’t play well together. Do a strip clean and see if it shoots better. Would be a good video. :)
Will do
7PRC Mountain reaper with a 22" barrel was clocking these Hornady CS's at 2980-3000 with the labradar.. not sure why it would be that much faster than your numbers but I do know one thing.. for a rifle that comes with a half MOA guarantee it was grouping these Outfitter 160CX's in 6 inch groups at 100 yards. Absolutely hates them.
I suspect from the lack of targets and your comments at 50 yards you are seeing similar results?
Pretty much.
Good video, Chuck . God bless.
Thank You kindly. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours
Great vid
Thank You!
Any of my rifles like Hornady cx. It’s crazy I get the worst group with cx ammo
My .300 win mag does not like them except for my 190gr handloads.
7 prc is just a modernized 7 rem mag. Optimized for more performance with High bc bullets from the factory, the 7 rem mag will do the same but you have to hand load and get a custom barrel. The velocity difference is basically cause Hornady loads pud loads at this point lol. If i was buying new today it would be a prc because its more plug n play. Same thing applies to my 6 arc. Hornady leaves 100-150 fps on the table vs hand loads.
Agreed 👍
What kind of trigger is that on chukes gun? Never seen one like that on a hunting rifle.
Savage accutrigger
@AlaskanBallistics . Never seen a bladed trigger like that on one. Pretty cool though.
Interesting. It's been out for over a decade now.
7mm mag is better forget about the hi bc bullets for the PRC
Well high b.c. bullets are better if they're close in speed.
There is only a little practical difference between the cartridges. I think the 7 PRC is "better" for 2 reasons. First it's easier to get accurate affordable mass produced rifles with the newer beltless case design and chamber specifications. Secondly the faster twist rate in the bareel and case design to allow for longer bullets not taking up powder space in the case. I think in an extreme case there could be as much as a %10 to %15 realistic performance improvement max. And with 7 rem mag you generally have plenty anyway. However if you had a challenge of take $2000 go to the store get a rifle scope and ammo to shoot a PRS match with I think the PRC would have a noticable advantage. Swap the same scenario to an elk hunt instead of a PRS match and I think the wider availability of 7 rem mag ammo options outpace any perceived advantage of a 7 PRC.
Well said sir. Godspeed and good hunting.
Browning makes an X-bolt 7 Rem Mag with 1-8 twist. Also, everyone real world is seeing higher velocities in same weight bullets over the PRC
@bullhunter20jw33 nice
Chuke!! 😅. New info to me, but that's why you're the ballistics expert.
Lol maybe so
Haven't been a fan of the CX in 7 PRC. Best performance has been federal 170 terminal ascent and federal 175 ELD-X for me - both in speed and accuracy.
Cool haven't seen it on the shelves yet.
Where are you getting terminal ascent bullets in 7mm at 170 grain? I thought they only made them in 155🤔
@@dungeontales8117 the 170s are all over in my area. I have a couple hundred. Speeds around 2980-3000 in my 22" barrel.
@dungeontales8117 where are you getting TA bullets period?
@@deanriley4700 oooooh just checked. The new factory ammo for 7prc has 155 and now 170. I thought it was very odd that Federal released the 7prc with the same weight as the rem mag. Now I want to try the 170s in my rem mag for hand loads lol.
THANKS for the truth,,never sell your 7mag
God bless.
Would be interesting to see how the velocities would compare when the same bullet was used. And also the amount of powder and barrel length necessary to achieve the velocities. There is the difference.
However, if you already have a 7RemMag, why would you give it up? You showed us there’s no reason.
Cheers. Good job.
Thank You, and I agree with all your points
Yep
Thank you sir.
Curious thought from a non reloader. Has anyone put a prc bullet into a non prc cartride and vise versa? How did it go? Was it accurate? Over pressure? Just wondering also it it even possible if you can even seat it low enough or high enough.
They're the same diameter so yes you could reload them into either cartridge, but because the Rem mag bullet sits farther down into the case, it could have pressure problems, unless of course, you adjust the powder charge to make the change, which you would do.
I'd have no issues putting the 160gr cx in my 7mm rem mag
@@AlaskanBallistics Thanks for the answering. I figured if they were the same size why dont they just load them into the older cartridges. Yes powder capacity would be lower, but it would be fun to see what you could do with them vise versa. Have you ever done this, and made a video about it?
@Longtrailside not yet. I plan on loading both with 150gr E tips
I have seen 7 mag drop big bulls at decent range they take a few steps and drop.
I am with you on the 7mm Remington magnum... No need to spend money on such a similar cartridge.. It's just a marketing hype to keep the gun economy running.. My opinion. Thanks for the video
Thank you for watching and commenting! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours...
It’s just not a new idea same as 5.56 nato to the 223.The case capacity is just to small on the 7 prc.I think they missed there goal.I had my rifles throat opened up long ago.I guess it was a custom touch.
Thanks for watching and the comment. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours!
The 7mm prc is just another over hyped cartridge. Like Randy Selby says, you need more case capacity or much higher pressures to produce high velocities. The 7 prc has neither over the 7mm rem mag. It's really simple math. The only newer cartridges that really impressed me were the WSM and WSSM family of cartridges. I have several 25 wssms, and they really do something that the prc family of cartridges don't do. The 25 produces almost identical velocity to the old 25/06 in a 223 length cartridge. It will handle 65,000 psi all day long, which is how it replicates 25/06 velocities using around 8-10 less grains of powder. Great cartridge in a real handy little rifle. To me, the 7 prc is like the 6.5 creedmoor to 260 remington comparison. There was never anything wrong with the 260 it just didn't come out at the right time. It's slightly faster than the creedmoor, more case capacity. Simple math.
Can't agree more. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend.
My 7 mag shoot 155g federal terminal ascents right at moa. There is no need to change.
Mine does the same but I get better with handloads
@AlaskanBallistics i am a big fan of the terminal ascent bullets. I shoot them in my 308 as well. I should handload but I don't yet.
@jfox71 no need to with the terminal ascent being so consistent.
Though they don't shoot well in my .308
Seems apparent that the only thing Hornady does right is dominate the availablity and marketing/advertising to promote a mediocre or just slightly improved cartridge; especially to us hunters. The prc cartridges also appear to be more designated by engineering towards target accuracy and target rules and peramiters as oposed to maximum energy and smooth cycling; a desire I learned about hunting in bear country. Classics cartridges will always be classics for a reason as hunters endure where target shooters trend.
The prc have better neck tension and are typically slightly faster. The 6.5prc is great and the 300prc is great. The 7mm requires Alliant reloader 26 powder and no one can get that right now..
No one!
What stock is that on the 7 rm? MDT? I have an old Remington m700 and I want to change the stock to accept detachable mags.
Magpul... I've got an old video on it somewhere.
@@AlaskanBallistics okay thanks
@BadBusiness.357 sure. It's heavy
@@AlaskanBallistics that's okay with me. Mine is already pretty heavy. I mostly use it for target practice.
How are your groups? It looks like you're strangling the grip when pulling the trigger.
I'm not but they were not good. My rifle much prefers the barnes
@@AlaskanBallisticsBarnes guy here as well!!
I’ll go with a 7mm Weatherby magnum instead. Why? Just because I want to be different. And it also beats 7prc.
Great choice
My buddy has a prc and he shoots bottle caps off at 900 yards with the damn thing. If u know the windage out to your target and shot it enough that gun will dump but he also built his own loads for that specific gun he isnt using mass produced everything is hand loaded for it.
It's good for that for sure!
Wow that’s unbelievable. Literally.
@@HoffnerPrecision i didnt actually mean he shoots bottle caps at 900 yards i was simply saying it fires a very tight pattern when the appropriate shooter is behind the bag. I didnt mean it in the literal sense maybe try not to read so much into someones comment. Yes ive seen some solid groups at 900 yards to make me say that but no he wasnt shooting at actual bottle caps. Sorry for the confusion obviously that flew right over all of your heads.
@heyjohnson5535 little bit, as some people actually shoot caps off of bottles, been a while since I've done it 🤔
@@AlaskanBallistics yeah i thats why i thought i should specify although i have no doubt he could shoot some bottle caps off with it just not maybe at 900 yards. Didnt want everyone thinking im some giant fish catching story kinda guy. Ive been lucky enough to shoot and own some tack drivers so i know its possible. 204 is a pretty wicked little tack driver as is my 25 wssm but they are bull barreled monsters
The only comparison that needs to be made is 162 grain eld-x ,eld-m or 168 grain Berger vld 7mag compared to 180 grain Berger vld, hornady 180 eld-m, 175 g eld-x in 7 PRC. For me if I need a pissing contest between the two I will pull out the 300 WM with a 210 g Berger!
Those berger good together on animals?
Keep in mind 7 rem mag is saami limited to 61ksi…while the prc is 65ksi. Handload the 7 mag hotter it should pick up some more over factory while being perfectly safe
Agreed. Or just have a 26" barrel like me.
@@AlaskanBallistics get a 28 nosler with a 28” and really party lol
Pretty close results. 200 fps difference. Subtract 25 fps for each inch of less barrel length then it's a difference of 100 fps. Then with the 10 grain difference in bullet weight makes it about a draw.
That's how I feel too
Hornady is better marketing than shooting results. For me average not more. Wmh
Agreed
The 7 mm prissy is just a new phase like the 6,5 man bun was, if you want to step up 28 nosler
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7mm rem mag is the best PERIOD
Very true
You have to thoroughly clean your bore before you run a copper round down it if you want any accuracy. Don’t ask me why I have not heard the reason for it yet, but I have a friends as well as my Rifles that will not shoot that cartridge and bullet, unless it has been thoroughly cleaned.
Interesting, don't have to do that with my barnes LRX .
Even with the 24in barrel you won’t gain that much. Time and time again we’re seeing that the 7prc is not what it should be with factory ammo so how much more are you gaining from it compared to the 7rem mag? Hand loading is really the only way to go and we know the 7rem beats it in that aspect.
We'll see when I get done handloads developed
I so nervous to try my ammo I live in the state of California as u know this is a lead free hunting state I have no choice for now but to use the Hornady outfitter cx 7mm prc I haven't see a video that can shoot well this ammo I'm screwed 😮 I should of gone with the good 7 mm reg instead but I got brain wash
Fly up here and we'll hand load you some barnes LRX
I think I will have start reloading my own ammo too 👍😁
PRC would have met the box numbers with a 24in barrel. You roughly gain or loose 50fps for every 1in of barrel. That said your 26in barrel would have been around 2900fps. And your bullet was 10gr lighter.
There are several videos out there if the 7mm prc not getting the advertised velocity in 24" barrels
Every video that I have watched when comparing these two cartridges, shows basically the same information. Hornady is basically lying to the public about factory velocities on the 7PRC for sales. The cartridge takes advantage of the faster twist rates and allowing the bullet to be seated out further, thus not impeding case capacity. Any hand loader knows, that by seating the 7mag out longer than saami specs which is 3.290", will allow the bullet to not impede the powder column in the case, thus allowing for more powder and better velocities. My 7mag load is seated to 3.415" which is still .020" off the lands. And save me the "more efficient cartridge" BS for other videos, which you didn't mention and thank you for that. Given same pressures, same twist rate, same bullet, old Big 7 will still dominate.
Makes sense. Do you have a tighter twist rate too? Godspeed and good hunting.
@@AlaskanBallistics No I don't. Mine is a 9.5 twist Browning Abolt II Medallion 7mag with BOSS system that I have had since the early 90's or whenever the BOSS system was introduced by Browning. Decided to start loading for it about a year ago just to see. I have been reloading for my other rifles for a long time but with all this 7 PRC craze, I decided to give it a shot. My magazine is modified to allow up to a maximum COAL of 3.710" which is well pass the saami spec of the 7mag at 3.290". This extra length allows for more powder column as well as seat the bullet out to where the boattail meets the neck/shoulder junction, like they did with the 7 PRC. So I question anyone with the PRC as to why can you do it and not me with the 7mag. My only issue is I'm limited weight wise do to my twist rate, but I will definitely touch the land before I run into any magazine constraints. The 7 PRC is a nice cartridge in factory form and could prob be a little more with handloading, but Hornady need to be truthful with these "made up" velocities.
@stephendupont9293 that's awesome on your rifle. Agreed with you about hornady. I'm .300 win mag it takes me a 26" barrel to get their box velocities that they test in a 24" or 25" according to the reloading manual.
PRC's are overated. People say they have to be chambered in a long or short barrel or a different brand of gun. That's why I stick with the old guns. The kinks are already worked out. I'm sure the PRC'S are good rifles, but I'm not impressed.
Iv i get another im stick to the 7mm mag . Its a hammer on game.
Ain't that the truth
Wasn't one of the brags for the short fat case that you could get simular velocity from a shorter barrel?
I considered that argument bs from the start, but using that argument, the 7prc failed miserable.
Even so, 4 inches of extra barrel wouldn't make up the difference, so for hunting 7rem all the way.
Yeah that was the brag. Hornady, like us, currently can't get the right powder
@AlaskanBallistics I obviously don't have pressure testing equipment, but in my reloading experience, powders of similar burn rate produce similar velocity, with the Vihtavuori 5 series gaining a little.
Either way, the other ammo companies have to deal with the same shortages.
I've also concluded that there is no magic case shape that changes anything in regards to velocity regardless of barrel length or powder capacity.
I remember the same brags when the wsm's came out.
It didn't take long for people to figure out otherwise.
Thanks for the content and interaction.
@@wheelchairhillbilly thank you for sharing your experiences.
The 7win mag wins this one. Hornady's powder charges are very poorly inconsistent.
Very. And they based the whole cartridge around the impossible to get RL26 powder
@@AlaskanBallistics yes. my 6.5cm used to hit 2800fps with the 143gr ELDx. now they hit around 2650fps. sea level. Right Now Im going with 130gr Terminal Ascent.
@millerkingeekuk494 that's a much better performing bullet on game anyway... good choice
That CX ammo is pretty disappointing. Seems like the vast majority of barrels won’t group with it, and those velocities are embarrassing. The 180 ELDM is rated at 2975 with a 24” barrel but I’m averaging 2820. Also embarrassing. Hornady can do much better.
When (if?) Hornady ever gets it together, the only benefit of 7PRC over mag is the faster twist barrel so you can shoot heavier bullets, and the lack of the belt. Having said that, that’s good enough for me, I got a 7PRC for the long range capability, and it doesn’t disappoint.
Nice. Glad you enjoy it! Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours my friend!
7mm Prc is over hyped for the ballistic gain of 150fps. Buy another rifle ,and hard to find ammo. To much is stacked against the Prc line. The 7mm Rem mag and the old calibers will always be a better choice . Reloading components are unlimited as well a s tweaking your ammo for a custom load. Great video thanks I will but a 7mm mag 110.👍👍
Thank you. Godspeed and good hunting. May you get lots of meat with your 7mm Rem Mag
I'm a 7 millimeter rim mag fan
Me too
Wait so the 7prc has a 24” barrel and the 7mm has 26” barrel? Or did I missing something? I don’t see how that is even an accurate comparison if so.
We admitted this. It was the only barrel we could get ahold of to film.
@@AlaskanBallistics I see how did the outfitter ammo group out of the PRC?
@xfighter1117 both of them grouped terribly like 3 inches at 50 yards. I'll stick with my sub moa 145gr Barnes lrx handloads for my 7mm Rem mag.
@@AlaskanBallistics good to know thank you.
Thanks for watching and commenting. Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours.
Second
You're welcome
Based on your test, the PRC is slower than my 7x64.
Wow. But that's a 22" barrel for ya
Not really. Both my 7x64 & 7mm RM Sakos have 22.6” (570mm) barrels, and match/exceed the velocity you obtained for the 7PRC WITH 160gr bullets. I use Hunter in the 7x64 & H1000 or Magpro in the RM.
@bobbowe4596 cool. Thanks
Who are these comparisons between 7 and 7 mm Remington mag. Remington Magnum is the most accurate cartridge I have ever fired and it was in my very first Centerfire rifle. A Ruger Model 77 and it would shoot a 20 round group regularly at less than 50,000 of a inch Center to Center spread. And if you don't get more than just a hundred to 200 ft Velocity from the same projectiles comma You're not getting anything better out of that cartridge the seven mil Remington mag is a belted cartridge which means that when you close the bolt the round is being held in the center of the chamber. Non belted Magnums lie on the bottom of the chamber or play to one side or the other side of the chamber but they don't Center up on the chamber unless you have gotten it to just barely shove itself up onto the shoulder of the cartridge. You're not going to get that with anything but hand loaded ammo.
I love my 7mm Rem mag as well!
I’m not impressed with 7 prc. Lots left in the table and in my opinion they are just jumping on the long bullet look. It’s great if it’s functional. A 7SAUM walks all over this. The REM Mag is capable of exceptionally more than the 7 PRC in a hand load. Sure you could load up the 7prc but you won’t see as much benefit as a long seated 7 REM. The prc lacks the case design it should have to have the full potential
Agreed 👍 Godspeed and good hunting to you and yours.
Hornady always inflates their numbers. PRC wins with heavy low drag bullets. REM mag wins for everything else for every other purpose, except bench rest
Assuming you can get the correct speed from the PRC of course
I take my 7 mmstw!!!!!!!!!
Not a bad chooice at all... what do you handdload for it?
Hornady CX 338WM shot like crap in my Sako.
Good to know. I can get the 190gr to shoot about an inch in my 300 win mag
@@AlaskanBallistics where in Alaska do you live?
@nathanadams8207 Palmer
@@AlaskanBallistics I will be in Palmer the evening of June 27 looking at homes and property. Were thinking about relocating to Palmer or Wasilla if my wife can transfer to Elmendorf AFB.
@nathanadams8207 good luck
7 mm rem shall I say more.I wonder why they made the 7 pro so close to the same performance?doesn’t make sense.
Same reasons they made .300 prc so close to .300 win mag.
More efficient case with a better twist rate for higher b.c. bullets
So don’t get a short barelled prc
24 or 26"
@ seems like it I’d rather get a 7 mag anyways plenty of other ammo choices other than hornady
@erikleirmo9147 yes!
Help bullet key chain MR.
Reloading weatherby has been testing the prc and it’s getting 280ai velocity at best . The 7 mag out paced it with 180 grain bullets as well. Keep your 7 mags this prc is wayyyyy overhyped .
So far it seems that way
Weatherby dude has got something very wrong with his setup, not saying he’s doing it on purpose but something is wayyy off because other people are getting far higher numbers
PRC over rated
My 280AI with 150gr easily doing 3,100 fps
Nice what barrel length?
Its already apples to oranges the prc has less powder capacity so it had less capability
As we're demonstrating
😢 Poor Choke I hope if chokes See this He will never Loan you a gun again
Why is that?
SAME CALIBER,SAME BULLETS SAME VELOCITY SAME PERFORMANCE SORRY FOR THE 7 PRC.
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Thanks Tom!