Bought the game yesterday, tried to mimick manually what you were doing with the tdc. - Failed miserably, - Crash dive, - Didn't check sea level, - Crash at 70m on sea floor, Fucking amazing game, i'll do it again
😂😂 thanks for the solid laugh brother, loved reading that hahah! The last line reminded me of that "cracked out Goofy meme" where it says "ill fkn do it again!" 😂😂
In case you are stuck at the sea floor, if you repair the holes and have water that is keeping you down, turn your pump on and select the water in the different compartments and tell your crew to move it from that compartment to the control room and it should help you get buoyancy eventually once the water is drained, if you have enough air in your reserves ofc. Should get you back to the surface
Bro calculated his own sinking with the TDC "Let's see submarine depth: 70m, distance: 0m, speed: 10 knots, AoB 480 degrees Celsius, spread: the entirety of my hull, pistol: Luger P08, course delta: Bravo Six Going Dark, angle on impact: 90 degrees bow pointing vertically, parallax correction: I got none in the storage room, time before explosion: asap. Good enough."
@@lu34lyf i crashed dived but it set the dive to 50m, i reajusted it to 110 m like in the tutorial... I managed to go through the idiot proof bubblewrap.
It really blows my mind... I've learnt how to input and execute an arrival at a busy airport with a complex aircraft such as an A320, I have learned how to cold start a spitfire and now of all things I am learning how to use a German WW2 torpedo data computer! And all of those things (and many more) only because much more knowledgeable people than I take the time to upload excellent and in-depth tutorials *for free* on TH-cam and because the sims we have are so damn good these days :) Thank you for this tutorial!
You can get really quick at this with practice, especially if you try to set up the same kind of attacks whenever possible eg I try for 90 degrees and around 1000 yards. Really it's about putting yourself in place where you'll know the range and AOB settings without measurement. The trick is to use hydrophone to plot time/location points for a convoy over a few hours, dipping every hour or so, which lets you predict their heading and speed very accurately from far away. Then you beat them to the intercept point and watch them sail right past your torpedo tubes.
@@alphgeek more like, I watch them sail right past my torpedoes cause Im bad at math and even a firing computer can't help me 😅 but seriously, if my high school math problems had u boat related questions, I'd be a maths genius today 😂
Great stuff. This is what separate surface officers from gray wolves 🐺🔥🔥 Addendum: On USN boats, if depth is set at 0 feet on Mark 14 fish, it will be running at 10 feet depth, NOT 0! This only became rectified (Mark 14 Torpedo) in 1943👎
The reason why salvos tend to miss some of the fish when using the correct ship length value is because in German doctrine the salvo was used to compensate bad data and was supposed to provide one certain hit. If they wanted to hit with multiple torpedoes, they used the regular single tube configuration with immediate consecutive launches from multiple tubes.
@@Y0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0ow The right amount. Consider you want a manual ripple fire of 3 torpedoes and your target passes the wire in 54 seconds. Assume you want the hits at 1/4, 2/4 (middle) and 3/4 of the length. 54 seconds divided by 4 is 13.5s. So you space the torpedoes out by 13.5s each - - or you set up a bearing that will cause a hit where the wire overlays the ship and you fire when the ship passes at 1/4, 2/4 and 3/4 of its length.
100% miss one fish if use whole ship length, half ship length should be fine. Tactically salvo is important to launch multiple fish at shortest time possible or while turning to escape, since your position compromise the moment you fire.
@@xsteality6653 _100% miss one fish if use whole ship length_ Irrelevant, important is that the ship is hit (and sinks or drops out of the convoy). The chance of a hit is larger if the allowed position of the ship is larger. _half ship length should be fine._ 75% hit chance compared to full length _Tactically salvo is important to launch multiple fish at shortest time possible or while turning to escape, since your position compromise the moment you fire._ You do not want to fire while turning, spoils the torpedo solution. And shooting does not compromise your solution, spotting the trail of the torpedo (or your periscope wake) does that. With an eto you have no trail, and the first idea something is amiss is a ship blowing up. More than once this has been ascribed to mines … The reason for a fast unload of all of your tubes is that the window of opportunity may be small, thus the use of FAT and LUT, which would creep up onto a target being a bit faster than anticipated. The Type XXI would have been able to fire all 6 tubes 3 times in 20 minutes (18 torpedoes, reloading 6 tubes in 10 minutes) so the maximum amount of fury could be unleashed onto a convoy in very short time.
Very helpful! Thank you. When I was learning way back in 1980: Port has four letters - Left has four letters - Port wine is red. Even has four letters … everything numbered on the port side is with even numbers (lifeboats, cabins, torpedo tubes)
Haha amen brother! 😅 I wonder how many people/what percentage of us regular viewers actually play any of the games he plays.. i get the feeling its a lot
2:03 Radar and sonar both exist on (at least some) U-boats in the game, but the radar is used exclusively as an early warning for incoming aircraft, and the sonar is simply an echosounder for finding one's precise depth under keel (when maps can't be relied upon for accurate depth information). The former must be researched and installed, as it doesn't come standard. It would be more apt to say they're simply not used for targeting purposes; only the hydrophone and periscopes fulfill that role.
Well, they generally did not have such information unless it was a mass procuced class or pre war warships. They made educated guesses, like most of these calculations
Many German U Boat Comanders that started in the Kriegsmarine pre WW2, were working on Comercial Ships. So I assume experience plus estimation was enough. If unsure about the target ship, they probably just got closer to the Target, reducing the estimation Error
You can also guess heights of buildings or ships by looking at doors or decks/floors because they are typically a consistent height. If the freighters wanted to throw off the distance calculations in a meaningful way, they would have to drastically change the height which would be so noticeable that the uboat captain could just guess the difference and be close enough. Also, I dont know much about ships but those masts were designed to have that height for a reason and changing that height may interfere with the ships design.
I don't know if this as already been said in the comments but you made a slight mistake at 21:29 Historically, and because of the way they were designed, german TDCs needed the speed of the target to always be entered AFTER setting the torpedo speed setting. This is simulated in the game and you can actually see in the video that when you change the torpedo speed setting, the target's speed dial decreases. You should always reset the target's speed after changing the torpedo speed. You still got a hit though, but I personnaly missed many times because of this mistake :(
It's the most detailed and well explained targeting and TDC usage video in all TH-cam, I start playing the game like a month ago but never used the TDC just plugin the information on the periscope screen and also shooting from there but now i will get a more accurate and emersive targeting and shooting experience thank you
Thank you for this tutorial. Just bought this game on Steam and had so much problems figuring out how to plan a firing solution by myself. For now i just restarted my career and went without manually setting the shots😊 One day i will and it should be soon enough !
That was incredibly cool to watch, I just started this game so I don't want to overwhelm myself by doing everything manually yet, but I am slowly adding more and more realism to my game😁
One important trick with the S3 TDC, when firing on a convoy and when you have ample time: Find a ship that has AOB of 90 degrees. When looking at that ship, set AOB to 90 and lock the AOB motor. Now you can look at any other ship in the convoy and the AOB will be adjusted automatically. This can be done manually of course: Just note at what bearing AOB is 90. Let's say it's 90 at bearing 130 degrees. If you look at another ship at 100 degrees, this means you've turned your scope 30 degrees. Its AOB will be 90 - 30 = 60 degrees. Until you've built your skills at guesstimating AOB, this is a great way of double checking your initial guess!
If you see this vid and it overwhelms you by its length don't give up on trying manual Targeting. It really is simple. Just enable miss and fail a few times and you'll be good to go in no time. That's how i learned.
A quick way I do target speed is mark on map where the bow of the target is, start stopwatch, and then stop it when the stern passes the mark, now I know how long the target spent to travel it's own length and convert that into knots. The now defunct TDC mod had a conversion table for this which made it even quicker.
@@thedeadwookie25 In the real world, the target location is not continually updated (redrawn) on a map. A real captain wouldn't have that information you are using.
Thank you for explaining it, i played Wolfpack for over 800h and now i can`t get enough of UBOAT with over 150h and i had quite some trubles with the TDC. Now i have even more fun with the game. Greetings from germany :) and you earned yourself another subscriber
Thanks, Wolfpack, super informative video. Always wanted to use the TDC but found it a little intimidating you explained it very well and did not overcomplicate it. Future me just tried using the TDC for the first time and got a hit first time. Thanks again, Wolfpack
6:20 Alternatively, if you have conversion charts readily available, you can do the same method with 1mn instead of 3mn15 and no maths needed, just take the distance and compare to the chart to get speed.
An equation I find easy and helpful to remember is: Meters per Minute / 30.8666 = Knots You can easily find a targets speed by marking their position, waiting a minute, then measuring how far they travelled in that minute (Alternatively, if you're strapped for time, you can measure how far they travelled in 30 seconds, then multiply it by 2, but this increases your error percentage, so be precise if you're doing the 30 second system) 30.8666 is an entirely arbitrary number here, but I find it's still easy to remember because it has 3 repeating digits in it's decimals. Of course, you could just use 30.9 and sacrifice a little bit of precision if you find 30.8666 is too difficult to remember over time.
Yep, because a nautical mile per hour is _exactly_ a knot; the reason why knots are _still_ used as an unit of speed. (Also because nautical miles are _still_ used, just because they are NOT a mile long - the unit's length was chosen so it would be incredibly easy to plot on a map, being _exactly_ the length of a minute of arc of latitude.) Yes, mariners of old knew their trade, thank you for noticing 🙂
Awesome tutorial. You should do more about the game. Crew management, Best ways to avoid being depth charged.. Really anything that will help play the game
Really appreciate this! I didn't join the pre-release beta so the TDC was a bit of a surprise when I finally updated the other day. Especially because (on my selected difficulty) it seems that it's still possible to avoid using it entirely when giving orders from the periscope. But that feels like missing out on a lot of the fun of the game!
Oh man, super stoked to watch this! Please do a future tutorial on any ASDIC! I find them so fascinating. Yesterday I was scouring youtube for ASDIC tutorials and was coming up short. Found an old film of the ASDIC Type 144 Set, which looks more advanced than what the US destroyers have in your Destroyer series, and now I'm even more interested in different capabilities throughout the conflict!
Personally I only use the periscope speed calc when I'm at zero knots for personal realism. However, the 3:15 timing speed method always feels too high stress for me so I use it least. If I have to take that kind of estimate, I sacrifice accuracy a bit by timing for 1:05 and Multiplying by three for the estimated speed. I much prefer knowing the speed from 50+ km away by plotting hydrophone contacts for a ship on the map over a few hours. Establish an accurate target course and heading over three or four dips and from well beyond detection range, then plan an accurate intercept hours into the future.
@@advorak8529 sure, and then I adjust the intercept point accordingly. More often than not I run up on them where planned. Usually it's some other sub attacking my convoy that makes them zigzag and messes up my intercept. Although if they hang around, they tend to attract all the warships leaving the cargos undefended. Convoys have a destination port, they don't just randomly run some other direction. They'll turn back toward the destination port eventually.
Great Tutorial. Final Request a short Video about the different Torpedos pro and cons and more over the differenz Fuses. When to use magnetic or Impact 😊
Please. Please do more Uboat simulator games!!! You have the best tutorial for the game on TH-cam! Your analytical way of playing is so awesome!! That's my request!!!
I remember from some of your SH3 videos, that you adjust torpedo depth depending on the target's draft and on how rough the sea is, especially for magnetic pistol. I know you used the weather report and a chart provided by the mod, but a tutorial on that would ba a great addition.
Call it nit picking but I have to point it out. At 5:37 you mention that precise conversion ratio form meters per second to knots is 1.852 but its not. It is 1.944 and it is because 1kt equals 1 nautical mile per hour, and that is 1852 meters per 3600 seconds so if you want to convert speed the other way (m/s to kt) you have to multiply by 3600 and divide by 1852 and that gives ratio of 1.944 which in this case can be rounded to 2 (error of less than 3%) given that speed dial of TDC is marked in full knots (3% of i.e. 10kt is 0.3)
A great tutorial! If you looking for an idea for a follow up, using the TDC to calculate a solution without even raising the periscope is challenging and fun. You have to get all information from sonar. By the way, is there a way to change the detonator from impact to magnetic without using the torpedo console?
Thanks for making me feel bad about going *pretty* low with my difficulty settings. I think I'm currently at a level of around 40% total difficulty which makes things a little too easy, even for me. :) Thing is: Without a more in-depth tutorial - like this one - built into the game, going full real or slightly below that can get a little frustrating.
Usually you can work out AOB by looking at the periscope bearing. Since you will be perpendicular to the target. If the target bearing is 330 then it's 30 degrees to go to you reach 90. 90-30 = 60 which is the AOB.
Absolutely fantastic, thanks for the great educational work. Just a few questions here. 1) It may be a bit of a complex question: S3 TDC, 24'31": The two switches on the lower right side frame "are never touched and must always be ON". OK. So what's the point of being able to turn off any of the three? Why remove automation and dynamic tracking from a torpedo solution? One of the switches is the AoB motor, another the Salvo Dispersion Angle Motor and the third the parallax motor that generates the parallax angle) and I don't see the point of not updating any of the three. As there is sure to be an explanation for this, in which cases would each one be turned off? TY 2) With your same example positioned inside the convoy, we all know that time is money and the difference between dying or living (this is a poetic license ha!). OK. It would be almost impossible to redo all the calculations for another target or a quick shot at several targets because of the danger with the escort destroyers... so The question is: Would the simple movement of the periscope anticipating "by eye" the shot at other targets be the only help to improvise without measurements a shot at a second or third target? Since there is no time to calculate everything for each target, what would be your advice in this regard? TY in advance
Once you gathered all the information for your main target, simply aim with the periscope, since it's transmitting gyro angles to the torps, they go where you aim. So I managed to sink 4 ships using one single data input just by aiming at them midship s. The only thing to consider is with the older C37 you need to refresh AOB for each target by clicking the transmission button in the data window. This isn't necessary with the S3, since it's syncronising AOB automatically.
AOB is simple. If you're on the target ship looking forward - its just an angle between your sight and where the uboat is. If uboat is to the left angle is measured as negative.
another way to think of AOB (angle on bow) is that 0 if the boat pointed straight at you. 45 degrees left means the boat is pointed 45 degrees with the bow turned to your left.
Could you do a comprehensive tutorial about how to locate, intercept, and engage? Maybe even tricks for getting outta there after you attacked? That would be awesome
Can you do a tutorial on the differences between "Manual Salvo Auto Gyro", "Manual Gyro Angle", and "Manual Salvo" (or whatever exactly they are) on the Gyro control box thingy?
First off, excellent tutorial. I do have a few points to make. The salvo angle is almost always too big on the S3. I have fired 4 torps allowing the automatic salvo setting to dictate the spread and accomplished only one hit. Two of the others passed aft and one forward. I did indeed have the distance set wrong. Deliberately. I set the distance double what it really was which should narrow the spread but apparently not enough. You of course can adjust the target length as you said in the video. There is no way to flood the stern torpedo tube from the stern torpedo room. You must do it the old fashioned way. Oh for *&$%%# sake. I had no idea, none at all, that the three levers --AoB motor, spread angle and parallax --were even there! I assume if I turn the spread angle lever off, I will then be able to manually set it. Hm?
@@Wolfpack345 and @kimghanson regarding salvo spread angle: Its working as it did irl. Its counter intuitive for a lot of us because most are used to the american / SH system of a spreads goal being to hit multiple points on the same target. The germans goal was “guaranteeing one hit on bad data”. So a spread of two will be at til of bow and stern and a spread of four will be three ship lengths in total. The spread on the tdc is pre-set by the ships length, the number on the tdc is the angle between each torpedo. The number on the periscope tube screen is the total spread angle of all torpedos. Good news is the german system was vastly superior to the americans. You can shift fire, meaning that if you want to hit the ship at four different places, just aim and fire at four different places in the ship. The S3 tdc allows this. If your using the c/37 tdc then shift fire is not really designed for. But that system really is meant for a pre staged zero gyro shot or there abouts
Are magnetic pistols automatically enabled on all torpedoes that have them or do you have to switch between impact and magnetic? If so how do you switch?
You have to switch, if you operate the torpedo tubes from the attack periscope view, there is a small button listed as AZ, just above each tube. Clicking it changes it to MZ. It's present on all torps.
Bought the game yesterday, tried to mimick manually what you were doing with the tdc.
- Failed miserably,
- Crash dive,
- Didn't check sea level,
- Crash at 70m on sea floor,
Fucking amazing game, i'll do it again
😂😂 thanks for the solid laugh brother, loved reading that hahah!
The last line reminded me of that "cracked out Goofy meme" where it says "ill fkn do it again!" 😂😂
In case you are stuck at the sea floor, if you repair the holes and have water that is keeping you down, turn your pump on and select the water in the different compartments and tell your crew to move it from that compartment to the control room and it should help you get buoyancy eventually once the water is drained, if you have enough air in your reserves ofc. Should get you back to the surface
Bro calculated his own sinking with the TDC "Let's see submarine depth: 70m, distance: 0m, speed: 10 knots, AoB 480 degrees Celsius, spread: the entirety of my hull, pistol: Luger P08, course delta: Bravo Six Going Dark, angle on impact: 90 degrees bow pointing vertically, parallax correction: I got none in the storage room, time before explosion: asap. Good enough."
crash dive should not allow you to hit the sea bed, it should set a limit above it and sustain it
@@lu34lyf i crashed dived but it set the dive to 50m, i reajusted it to 110 m like in the tutorial...
I managed to go through the idiot proof bubblewrap.
It really blows my mind... I've learnt how to input and execute an arrival at a busy airport with a complex aircraft such as an A320, I have learned how to cold start a spitfire and now of all things I am learning how to use a German WW2 torpedo data computer! And all of those things (and many more) only because much more knowledgeable people than I take the time to upload excellent and in-depth tutorials *for free* on TH-cam and because the sims we have are so damn good these days :) Thank you for this tutorial!
Ive been waiting for this with great expectation. No longer shall I have the AI crew put in solutions for me.
Hope this helps you out!
Yay!!!! 🙌
You can get really quick at this with practice, especially if you try to set up the same kind of attacks whenever possible eg I try for 90 degrees and around 1000 yards.
Really it's about putting yourself in place where you'll know the range and AOB settings without measurement.
The trick is to use hydrophone to plot time/location points for a convoy over a few hours, dipping every hour or so, which lets you predict their heading and speed very accurately from far away. Then you beat them to the intercept point and watch them sail right past your torpedo tubes.
@@alphgeek more like, I watch them sail right past my torpedoes cause Im bad at math and even a firing computer can't help me 😅 but seriously, if my high school math problems had u boat related questions, I'd be a maths genius today 😂
It's nice to know but as the UBOAT captain you would just bark orders at your crew in a loud German voice 😂
I have never understood a tdc so thank you! Looking forward to this
Hope it helps
Great stuff. This is what separate surface officers from gray wolves 🐺🔥🔥
Addendum: On USN boats, if depth is set at 0 feet on Mark 14 fish, it will be running at 10 feet depth, NOT 0! This only became rectified (Mark 14 Torpedo) in 1943👎
We asked. You delivered. Can't wait to watch!
Cheers!
The reason why salvos tend to miss some of the fish when using the correct ship length value is because in German doctrine the salvo was used to compensate bad data and was supposed to provide one certain hit. If they wanted to hit with multiple torpedoes, they used the regular single tube configuration with immediate consecutive launches from multiple tubes.
If I want to achieve this in the game, how long do I wait before firing the following torpedoes to ensure multiple hits?
@@Y0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0o0ow The right amount.
Consider you want a manual ripple fire of 3 torpedoes and your target passes the wire in 54 seconds. Assume you want the hits at 1/4, 2/4 (middle) and 3/4 of the length. 54 seconds divided by 4 is 13.5s. So you space the torpedoes out by 13.5s each -
- or you set up a bearing that will cause a hit where the wire overlays the ship and you fire when the ship passes at 1/4, 2/4 and 3/4 of its length.
100% miss one fish if use whole ship length, half ship length should be fine. Tactically salvo is important to launch multiple fish at shortest time possible or while turning to escape, since your position compromise the moment you fire.
@@xsteality6653 _100% miss one fish if use whole ship length_
Irrelevant, important is that the ship is hit (and sinks or drops out of the convoy). The chance of a hit is larger if the allowed position of the ship is larger.
_half ship length should be fine._
75% hit chance compared to full length
_Tactically salvo is important to launch multiple fish at shortest time possible or while turning to escape, since your position compromise the moment you fire._
You do not want to fire while turning, spoils the torpedo solution. And shooting does not compromise your solution, spotting the trail of the torpedo (or your periscope wake) does that. With an eto you have no trail, and the first idea something is amiss is a ship blowing up. More than once this has been ascribed to mines …
The reason for a fast unload of all of your tubes is that the window of opportunity may be small, thus the use of FAT and LUT, which would creep up onto a target being a bit faster than anticipated.
The Type XXI would have been able to fire all 6 tubes 3 times in 20 minutes (18 torpedoes, reloading 6 tubes in 10 minutes) so the maximum amount of fury could be unleashed onto a convoy in very short time.
Very helpful! Thank you.
When I was learning way back in 1980:
Port has four letters - Left has four letters - Port wine is red.
Even has four letters … everything numbered on the port side is with even numbers (lifeboats, cabins, torpedo tubes)
Am I ever gonna use this? No. I don't even own the game.
Am I still gonna watch because Wolfpack puts out great content? Hell yes.
Haha thank you!
You said it.
Haha amen brother! 😅 I wonder how many people/what percentage of us regular viewers actually play any of the games he plays.. i get the feeling its a lot
2:03 Radar and sonar both exist on (at least some) U-boats in the game, but the radar is used exclusively as an early warning for incoming aircraft, and the sonar is simply an echosounder for finding one's precise depth under keel (when maps can't be relied upon for accurate depth information). The former must be researched and installed, as it doesn't come standard.
It would be more apt to say they're simply not used for targeting purposes; only the hydrophone and periscopes fulfill that role.
N.B. The "radar" you refer to is a (passive) radar detector. Its sole use is for warning of the existence of enemy radars in operation.
German Commanders must have been so happy to have such detailed ship information. I wonder why freighters didn't just change their mast heights.
Well, they generally did not have such information unless it was a mass procuced class or pre war warships. They made educated guesses, like most of these calculations
Many German U Boat Comanders that started in the Kriegsmarine pre WW2, were working on Comercial Ships. So I assume experience plus estimation was enough. If unsure about the target ship, they probably just got closer to the Target, reducing the estimation Error
You can also guess heights of buildings or ships by looking at doors or decks/floors because they are typically a consistent height.
If the freighters wanted to throw off the distance calculations in a meaningful way, they would have to drastically change the height which would be so noticeable that the uboat captain could just guess the difference and be close enough. Also, I dont know much about ships but those masts were designed to have that height for a reason and changing that height may interfere with the ships design.
I don't know if this as already been said in the comments but you made a slight mistake at 21:29
Historically, and because of the way they were designed, german TDCs needed the speed of the target to always be entered AFTER setting the torpedo speed setting.
This is simulated in the game and you can actually see in the video that when you change the torpedo speed setting, the target's speed dial decreases.
You should always reset the target's speed after changing the torpedo speed.
You still got a hit though, but I personnaly missed many times because of this mistake :(
It's the most detailed and well explained targeting and TDC usage video in all TH-cam,
I start playing the game like a month ago but never used the TDC just plugin the information on the periscope screen and also shooting from there but now i will get a more accurate and emersive targeting and shooting experience thank you
Thank you for this tutorial. Just bought this game on Steam and had so much problems figuring out how to plan a firing solution by myself. For now i just restarted my career and went without manually setting the shots😊 One day i will and it should be soon enough !
Yes! I’ve been waiting for this!!!! Wow it has so much care with the editing and composition just like your narrative videos. Thank you so much.
Hahah... this video took much longer than anticipated. Wanted to make sure everything was clear :)
That was incredibly cool to watch, I just started this game so I don't want to overwhelm myself by doing everything manually yet, but I am slowly adding more and more realism to my game😁
By far the best TDC tutorial out there. It's in depth enough but you make it easy to understand. Thanks, man!
This is probably the best TDC tutorial I’ve ever seen
That's one immediate thumbs up before the tutorial actually started! 👍
One important trick with the S3 TDC, when firing on a convoy and when you have ample time:
Find a ship that has AOB of 90 degrees. When looking at that ship, set AOB to 90 and lock the AOB motor. Now you can look at any other ship in the convoy and the AOB will be adjusted automatically.
This can be done manually of course: Just note at what bearing AOB is 90. Let's say it's 90 at bearing 130 degrees. If you look at another ship at 100 degrees, this means you've turned your scope 30 degrees. Its AOB will be 90 - 30 = 60 degrees.
Until you've built your skills at guesstimating AOB, this is a great way of double checking your initial guess!
Very good TDC tutorial, perhaps the best I've seen on TH-cam since UBoat went final. Well done. Thanks.
If you see this vid and it overwhelms you by its length don't give up on trying manual Targeting. It really is simple. Just enable miss and fail a few times and you'll be good to go in no time. That's how i learned.
Sincerely appreciate the time you put into any of your videos, but really appreciate this video, a lot. Thank you.
A quick way I do target speed is mark on map where the bow of the target is, start stopwatch, and then stop it when the stern passes the mark, now I know how long the target spent to travel it's own length and convert that into knots.
The now defunct TDC mod had a conversion table for this which made it even quicker.
This uses information you shouldn't have, i.e. map markers.
@@Kackrabe wdym
@@thedeadwookie25 In the real world, the target location is not continually updated (redrawn) on a map. A real captain wouldn't have that information you are using.
@@SueBobChicVid you can do this with the periscope
@@SueBobChicVid ...you DO realize that he DID teach in the tutorial the 3'15'' method, which also uses map markers, right?
Thank you for explaining it, i played Wolfpack for over 800h and now i can`t get enough of UBOAT with over 150h and i had quite some trubles with the TDC. Now i have even more fun with the game. Greetings from germany :) and you earned yourself another subscriber
Finally! I have been waiting for a good tdc tutorial for a long time! You never fail to deliver
Yes, I've been waiting for this. About to spend a week off playing Uboat, so nice timing. Thanks!
Thanks, Wolfpack, super informative video. Always wanted to use the TDC but found it a little intimidating you explained it very well and did not overcomplicate it. Future me just tried using the TDC for the first time and got a hit first time. Thanks again, Wolfpack
Added to Favorites. I'm sure I'll need to watch it more and more in the coming days. Thanks for the hard work. Much appreciated, Herr Kaleun!
What a nice surprise. I mostly got the most of it right by now just by watching your gameplay but this so convenient. Thank you very much
6:20 Alternatively, if you have conversion charts readily available, you can do the same method with 1mn instead of 3mn15 and no maths needed, just take the distance and compare to the chart to get speed.
An equation I find easy and helpful to remember is:
Meters per Minute / 30.8666 = Knots
You can easily find a targets speed by marking their position, waiting a minute, then measuring how far they travelled in that minute (Alternatively, if you're strapped for time, you can measure how far they travelled in 30 seconds, then multiply it by 2, but this increases your error percentage, so be precise if you're doing the 30 second system)
30.8666 is an entirely arbitrary number here, but I find it's still easy to remember because it has 3 repeating digits in it's decimals. Of course, you could just use 30.9 and sacrifice a little bit of precision if you find 30.8666 is too difficult to remember over time.
Yep, because a nautical mile per hour is _exactly_ a knot; the reason why knots are _still_ used as an unit of speed. (Also because nautical miles are _still_ used, just because they are NOT a mile long - the unit's length was chosen so it would be incredibly easy to plot on a map, being _exactly_ the length of a minute of arc of latitude.) Yes, mariners of old knew their trade, thank you for noticing 🙂
LETS GOOOO!!! I’ve been waiting for this! Thank you so much for the help navigating the TDC!
After hundreds of hours in SH-III manual targeting, I could not figure out this game. Thank you very much for explaining 😊
Awesome tutorial. You should do more about the game. Crew management, Best ways to avoid being depth charged.. Really anything that will help play the game
Really appreciate this! I didn't join the pre-release beta so the TDC was a bit of a surprise when I finally updated the other day. Especially because (on my selected difficulty) it seems that it's still possible to avoid using it entirely when giving orders from the periscope. But that feels like missing out on a lot of the fun of the game!
Thank you for this. Will help a lot in the next few patrols. Though a lot to take in, will definitely have to pause this and rewatch this as needed.
Nice. The AOB explanation was clear and that was really needed. Will finally be able to use the tdc
I was actually confused when i finaly got a Uboat with the S3 TDC and the AoB was not updating thank you so much Wolf awsome Tutorial btw.👌
This was a great tutorial. I haven't touched the computers yet, so now I'm going to try it out. Cheers 🍻
Thanks for the fantastic tutorial. I'm always struggling with AOB. Keep up the good work!
Wow this is awesome. I'm glad you're doing tutorials now!
You did an amazing editing, and sectioning job. Awesome tutorial, thanks a lot.
Thanks for a great tutorial about the two TDCs, I haven't downloaded the latest U Boat update yet, but look forward to doing so.
Oh man, super stoked to watch this! Please do a future tutorial on any ASDIC! I find them so fascinating. Yesterday I was scouring youtube for ASDIC tutorials and was coming up short. Found an old film of the ASDIC Type 144 Set, which looks more advanced than what the US destroyers have in your Destroyer series, and now I'm even more interested in different capabilities throughout the conflict!
I need to do some Destroyer videos... Been waiting for a patch to fix the texture issues
Very informative, I will have to watch again, to remember all the points mentioned. Time to have a go myself.
Personally I only use the periscope speed calc when I'm at zero knots for personal realism. However, the 3:15 timing speed method always feels too high stress for me so I use it least.
If I have to take that kind of estimate, I sacrifice accuracy a bit by timing for 1:05 and Multiplying by three for the estimated speed.
I much prefer knowing the speed from 50+ km away by plotting hydrophone contacts for a ship on the map over a few hours. Establish an accurate target course and heading over three or four dips and from well beyond detection range, then plan an accurate intercept hours into the future.
… and then the target changes course.
@@advorak8529 sure, and then I adjust the intercept point accordingly. More often than not I run up on them where planned.
Usually it's some other sub attacking my convoy that makes them zigzag and messes up my intercept. Although if they hang around, they tend to attract all the warships leaving the cargos undefended.
Convoys have a destination port, they don't just randomly run some other direction. They'll turn back toward the destination port eventually.
Outstanding tutorial my friend! Now we can move on to MSFS.I have a list......
Nicely presented. Haven't played a subsim since 20 years. Still sat through 30 min of video explaining a subsim tdc 😅
Thank you! A real masterclass tutorial! Really appreciate your effort 😊
I’ve watched so many other tutorials and I’ve always wanted one from you, thank you so much.
Great Tutorial. Final Request a short Video about the different Torpedos pro and cons and more over the differenz Fuses. When to use magnetic or Impact 😊
YEEEES THANK YOU WOLF!!!
You deserve every single subscriber you have
Please. Please do more Uboat simulator games!!! You have the best tutorial for the game on TH-cam! Your analytical way of playing is so awesome!! That's my request!!!
excellent video and very easy to follow. many thanks for making time to compile all this information. cheers fella.
Very nice. The AOB explanation (and chart back up method) was most helpful
It's hard to find good sub sim tutorials on TH-cam. I'd definitely like to see more of them.
I remember from some of your SH3 videos, that you adjust torpedo depth depending on the target's draft and on how rough the sea is, especially for magnetic pistol. I know you used the weather report and a chart provided by the mod, but a tutorial on that would ba a great addition.
Call it nit picking but I have to point it out. At 5:37 you mention that precise conversion ratio form meters per second to knots is 1.852 but its not. It is 1.944 and it is because 1kt equals 1 nautical mile per hour, and that is 1852 meters per 3600 seconds so if you want to convert speed the other way (m/s to kt) you have to multiply by 3600 and divide by 1852 and that gives ratio of 1.944 which in this case can be rounded to 2 (error of less than 3%) given that speed dial of TDC is marked in full knots (3% of i.e. 10kt is 0.3)
Yeah. I basically go by 1.95.
A great tutorial!
If you looking for an idea for a follow up, using the TDC to calculate a solution without even raising the periscope is challenging and fun. You have to get all information from sonar.
By the way, is there a way to change the detonator from impact to magnetic without using the torpedo console?
Super Tutorial, have taken on board ( no pun intended 😂) your guidance on the TDC. Enjoying this game so much. Bill
Thanks for making me feel bad about going *pretty* low with my difficulty settings. I think I'm currently at a level of around 40% total difficulty which makes things a little too easy, even for me. :)
Thing is: Without a more in-depth tutorial - like this one - built into the game, going full real or slightly below that can get a little frustrating.
Usually you can work out AOB by looking at the periscope bearing. Since you will be perpendicular to the target. If the target bearing is 330 then it's 30 degrees to go to you reach 90. 90-30 = 60 which is the AOB.
Great Tuto ! well planned and articulated .
Thanks for the tutorial Wolfpack!
Sehr gut, Herr Kapitänleutnant Wolf.
Prüfung bestanden,
weggetreten!
Wow, that single image explains AOB so well for me!
We use the 3 minute rule in the US Navy as well: a 1 knot contact will travel 100 yards in 3 minutes.
Absolutely fantastic, thanks for the great educational work.
Just a few questions here.
1) It may be a bit of a complex question:
S3 TDC, 24'31": The two switches on the lower right side frame "are never touched and must always be ON". OK. So what's the point of being able to turn off any of the three? Why remove automation and dynamic tracking from a torpedo solution?
One of the switches is the AoB motor, another the Salvo Dispersion Angle Motor and the third the parallax motor that generates the parallax angle) and I don't see the point of not updating any of the three. As there is sure to be an explanation for this, in which cases would each one be turned off? TY
2) With your same example positioned inside the convoy, we all know that time is money and the difference between dying or living (this is a poetic license ha!). OK. It would be almost impossible to redo all the calculations for another target or a quick shot at several targets because of the danger with the escort destroyers... so The question is: Would the simple movement of the periscope anticipating "by eye" the shot at other targets be the only help to improvise without measurements a shot at a second or third target?
Since there is no time to calculate everything for each target, what would be your advice in this regard?
TY in advance
Once you gathered all the information for your main target, simply aim with the periscope, since it's transmitting gyro angles to the torps, they go where you aim.
So I managed to sink 4 ships using one single data input just by aiming at them midship s.
The only thing to consider is with the older C37 you need to refresh AOB for each target by clicking the transmission button in the data window.
This isn't necessary with the S3, since it's syncronising AOB automatically.
@@AndiKoehn Awesome. TY mate, will try it.
This is the american dream under water lol
AOB is simple. If you're on the target ship looking forward - its just an angle between your sight and where the uboat is. If uboat is to the left angle is measured as negative.
This is helping me alot, Thanks Wolfpack! keep it up!
another way to think of AOB (angle on bow) is that 0 if the boat pointed straight at you. 45 degrees left means the boat is pointed 45 degrees with the bow turned to your left.
Very helpful, would be amazing if you could make also tutorial on how to actually intercept ships, plot course on them etc.
Thank You so much for explaining that. Please do one on the US submarine in Silent Service War in the Pacific.
Absolutely great, I was looking for something like this
Happy Hunting!
This tutorial is so good, it should be integrated in the game
Nicely done, Wolf!
Great tutorial. Makes a lot of sense now. 👍
Happy to hear it! Always nervous to make tutorials, don't want to make things more confusing
Could you do a comprehensive tutorial about how to locate, intercept, and engage?
Maybe even tricks for getting outta there after you attacked?
That would be awesome
Great tutorial. This really helps. Thank you.
This is an excellent tutorial.
Wow! thanks for doing this, just what I needed.
Great video, nice work dude.
That is what I needed. Thank you !
Very nice tutorial. Thanks for your work.
Oh yes, been wating for this.
Thank you, this literally explains a lot!
For the algorithm! Thank you Wolfpack!
This is exactly what I've been looking for!
Glad to hear it
Woild love to see some War on the Sea tutorials
Clear my calendar!!!
Can you do a tutorial on the differences between "Manual Salvo Auto Gyro", "Manual Gyro Angle", and "Manual Salvo" (or whatever exactly they are) on the Gyro control box thingy?
Outstanding tutorial!
thanks for this ive watch your vids for a while now and I'm keen to play but dam looks like a lot to remember
Fantastic tutorial. Thank you.
Great Job! Love the Vid!
Great work. Much appreciated.
So this is the tutorial you were talking about.
Thank you for the fantastic explanation. Is there an input order for the TDC? For example, you enter speed, distance, AOB first?
Thank you.
First off, excellent tutorial. I do have a few points to make.
The salvo angle is almost always too big on the S3. I have fired 4 torps allowing the automatic salvo setting to dictate the spread and accomplished only one hit. Two of the others passed aft and one forward. I did indeed have the distance set wrong. Deliberately. I set the distance double what it really was which should narrow the spread but apparently not enough. You of course can adjust the target length as you said in the video.
There is no way to flood the stern torpedo tube from the stern torpedo room. You must do it the old fashioned way.
Oh for *&$%%# sake. I had no idea, none at all, that the three levers --AoB motor, spread angle and parallax --were even there! I assume if I turn the spread angle lever off, I will then be able to manually set it. Hm?
I'm pretty sure that the stern torpedo room is bugged at the moment
@@Wolfpack345 and @kimghanson regarding salvo spread angle: Its working as it did irl. Its counter intuitive for a lot of us because most are used to the american / SH system of a spreads goal being to hit multiple points on the same target.
The germans goal was “guaranteeing one hit on bad data”.
So a spread of two will be at til of bow and stern and a spread of four will be three ship lengths in total.
The spread on the tdc is pre-set by the ships length, the number on the tdc is the angle between each torpedo. The number on the periscope tube screen is the total spread angle of all torpedos.
Good news is the german system was vastly superior to the americans. You can shift fire, meaning that if you want to hit the ship at four different places, just aim and fire at four different places in the ship. The S3 tdc allows this.
If your using the c/37 tdc then shift fire is not really designed for. But that system really is meant for a pre staged zero gyro shot or there abouts
Are magnetic pistols automatically enabled on all torpedoes that have them or do you have to switch between impact and magnetic? If so how do you switch?
You have to switch, if you operate the torpedo tubes from the attack periscope view, there is a small button listed as AZ, just above each tube. Clicking it changes it to MZ. It's present on all torps.