Hey guys! Here's my initial review for the tablet, not much more I could test that would make any difference for artists so let me know if you have any questions, or if I didn' t mention something you think is important. I'm gonna be answering questions in the comments for the next couple weeks and might do a follow up video after a couple months to see long term how it holds up! My reviews always reflect my own priorities when it comes to tablets so keep that in mind too! A lot of artists get stuck on details that really don't impact workflow in a meaningful way. This is a review from some old guy who's tried a million different tablets over the years, and who actually does heavy work on them daily... whatever that's worth in this context!
Are you sure you did remove the delivery film? Like it comes with a film to protect the thing that happened to you, that is bad plastic and scratches super fast. Because mine doesn't do the bubble thingie. (Like both are there you don't have to put anything when it comes from the box)
One thing that I found that made me like XP much more than wacom is the drivers, I have a long history and having problems with wacom drivers, and so far my XP Pen 15.6 Pro has had no problems whatsoever
I actually got this one a few week back and I really love it. Though the film does gets wore down over time, the experience that I had with has been mainly positive. Plus the stand is super cool.
I ordered this today, your review helped a lot! I was really debating on what my next tablet should be, seeing both Huion and Xp-pen new tablets, sure got me excited. I have a old wacom cintiq 13hd, which have served me well for so long but I needed something bigger and doesn't disconnect by the slightest touch. So I found this to be a good price and tablet to use for my school work! I'm currently attending an animation school :D so thank you for the great video!
@@Templarboi It is a pain yeah, that they used a cable that easily breaks connection. I have been patient but seeing such a good offer on a tablet with higher resolution, the wait is over :) and look forward to test it at school, especially when it comes to zbrush, since it will be good with a lot more space.
What do you think of the tablet since you got it? I have a 13 hd as well and wanted to upgrade! I am usually skeptical about wacom alternatives because wagon is industry standard and I was looking at the cintiq 22 too
@@khalidsamara9972 For what it's worth I've had the XP-pen 24 now for about 2 months and it's never failed on me or created any sort of discomfort in the drawing process. It's been a very pleasant experience, although as Marc pointed out in the video, you do have to press a little harder on the tablet in comparison to Wacom, but while it sounds to be an incovenience it really is not very noticeable at all. Primarily only when I do color picking do I notice it as I tend to tap lightly when holding down the alt key in photoshop.
@Khalid Samara Hey, sorry for the late response. But after been using it for a while now, so far, I am pleasantly surprised. It worked a lot better than what I thought it would. The build and as well the screen is so nice and clear. More importantly the drawing experience is amazing, much like Wacom. But I can understand the feeling about being skeptical, I am also like that and picky when it comes to tablets. Though, I am really happy with it and it does the work I need of it, same time not breaking my wallet so to speak. The Cintiq 22, is also a great tablet to be honest. One of my classmates have that one, so got to test and see it, the price on that one is also a lot better than a pro. So I am sure, you would be happy no matter which one you pick. The only thing that bugged me when it came to the 22’’ is that the resolution of the screen wasn’t as clear, but then again it is hd and a very large screen, still not horrible but yeah. One of the reasons that I got the 24’’ from xppen was because of it being bigger resolutions and it shows. I think the only thing I would love to have on the xppen is the eraser tip on the pen, since it such a habit of me to turn the pen. I hope it helps, or else feel free to write to me :D
I have the Artist 22R Pro, and aldo i'm used to work with the keyboard, the wheel is great for Zoom, and also use the lower for the size of the Brush. The screen film on mine doesn't do any strange sound. Has for being hot i've had my tablet on for more then 8 hours, and the temperature is great, not to hot. The pen doesn't need charging. The only down side is only Full HD. Great review, and it's good to see an amazing artist to do a review of this products.
You can draw directly on the glass, and remove the protective screen from the get go. If they have exactly the same protective film as 22e pro has, i advice simply taking the film off and draw on glass screen directly. Film after long use(it was 6 month for me) will get so scratched up you will barely able to see your drawings especially when some kind of light hits the screen. I was afraid that drawing directly on the glass screen will form same amount of scratches but after about 2 years of drawing directly on the screen i can say for sure that glass is sturdy enough to withstand the damage from the pen. With that said I still can see some scratches on the glass when I have some sort of direct light directly shinning on the screen(like flashlight) and pay hard attention to the surface, but it never interfered with my process of drawing or painting(in fact i never even seen a scratch and didnt knew whether there were any or not in 2 years until i directed flashlight onto the screen to check if there is any or not)
That's my experience with the textured film that came with my 2017-era Gaomon PD1560. I took it off and never looked back. (And my initial nib has barely perceptible wear even after 3 years of full-time drawing.) If the film is easily removable, and the underlying surface actual glass, then that would be no different than my current drawing setup. Which is awesome, because I hate how the hyperbole surrounding "paperlike" textured screens and screen-protectors is making gloss screens harder to find with each passing year. (It's not some magic pill to drawing better like beginner/intermediate artists make it out to be, but what you get instead is a noticeable "fuzzy" look to what would otherwise be a crisp and clear screen.)
@Zenpatis I"m having the same problem now, where there's a huge scratch mark on my 22E pro and was searching high and low for a replacement. But thanks for the tip! I might consider draw directly on the glass screen :)
I have the 15.6 as well and I honestly love it. I've had it over a year now, use it almost daily and honestly it hasn't worn down at all. I absolutely LOVE the dial on it as well. And truly I think it's a completely fair comparison to Wacom.
I've got the 22R Pro which was the previous tablet that XP-Pen released. I'm fully happy with it and find that the only difference between the 22R and this one is the 2K QHD Display. With that being said, if XP-Pen had some sort of trade-in program for their tablets, I'd totally upgrade to the 24 Pro.
I'm not sure about newer models of XP-Pen, but on my 22E you are able to get rid of the film if you want to just draw on the glass of the screen, more glare but less streaks
Are you sure the parallax between the pen and the screen is 3 millimetres? I don't think you realize how big that is. You said it's about half of what you have on your Cintiq, which would make the parallax on your Cintiq about 6 millimetres, which is over half a centimetre, which is absolutely huge. I have a really old Cintiq from 2008, and the parallax on that is probably just about 2 millimetres.
I bought my 13hd wacom cintiq some 5 years ago and it still works great but this monster is almost twice that size for the same amount of money (back then). If XP-Pen 24 was an option back then, I would have definitely went with it.
I bought the 22R a while ago and I literally hated the high activation force required. I tend to draw with a very light hand, so sometimes the strokes came out interrupted. Unacceptable. I refunded the tablet and went back to my previous model (an Xp-Pen 15.6). After a lot of test I identified the problem, it's not the tablet itself but the new P2A pen they ship with it (and with this model). The older model used a different technology, they had bigger tips, so it was difficult to be more precise with the strokes, but at least the activation force was very light. I'm waiting to buy any more models from this brand until they upgrade their pen tech. Again, not hating on XP-PEN, I have 2 tablets from them already, and I wanted to upgrade to a bigger one, but really this time I think they made a misstep changing the pen when it's not really better than the older models.
There are people saying they're using their older pens with this new tablet to fix the issue. Do you think this is possible? I have an XP-Pen pen, but it's only from a G-640S series so not even a display tablet.
The good news is that after 2 reviews where I mention it, they're now working on improving that activation issue. They even have a new family of tablets that are coming out soon, I'll get to review that in the next few weeks, really curious to see if the changes have already been implemented
Marc Brunet that's great to hear! Maybe they are releasing new models a bit too quickly though :/ I mean you have barely the time to inform yourself and read the various reviews that they're already releasing a new model! We'll see.
@icymeow actually yes, I tested my old pen that came with my Deco 03 and it worked but it didn't have tilt recognition and since the tip is bigger it was kinda hard to calibrate properly.
Brilliant review, Marc! Such a privilege to get the opinion of an experienced artist as opposed to a lot of other reviewers who are - not trying to throw any shade here - not exactly on the same level. Will seriously consider picking this one up, especially considering the 15% discount, although the film has me somewhat concerned as to the longevity of the product. The Huion version might be better in that department, but I can't for the life of me get over how chunky and unappealing the Huion products are in terms of aesthetics, especially the stand as well. Might be a weird thing, but it just irks me for some reason lol.
Thanks man, yeah the look of the product is super important when purchasing a luxury product (which this definitely is)! That's why luxury cars usually tend to look pretty damn good!
So I have a 20 inch huion now and what I see that I don't like on XP, is that: The way the stand is on the Huion I can have the the screen hang down of the edge of my desk an inch. Which the way my torso is it makes it so much easier to reach and gives a good angle. It is like when lots of people use an ergo arm they rest the back of the screen on the edge of the desk...which helps keep it from bouncing with pressure. The XP pen has to see completely on top of the desk.
i think the film is a better idea. it's replicable and because it and the nip are both made of plastic, the nibs will also last longer as they are on the same hardness scale. etched glass will ware out the nibs faster.
My old Cintiq 13 just quit on me so I was shopping around for a new display tablet. This really helped me pick XP-Pen as my go to. Unfortunately the Cintiq 22 was sold out and needing one urgently for work I had to pick!
Gonna really have to recommend the Huion Kamvas Pro 24 over this. At the same price, you can get a full laminated screen with the Huion. It's a great display :)
That's just something you'll notice when reading the specs, in reality this makes virtually no difference, like crazy amounts of pressure levels. Just marketing shenanigans.
Ah nice. they actually sent an early review model to a professional! I hope Wacom will rebrand their 22" with QHD display screens soon. Also hope Huion throws their 24" to you, for comparison. Since the non laminated screen of the Xp pen 24 and it's film being a bit of a mixed bag. It also seems that these alternatives' EMR might have wobbles and jitters according to screen thickness, akin to Apple Pen, if you put a thick screen protector on it, rather than a thin one. Wonder how the Huion will compare to the Xp-Pen in that regard then. Would want a non button version too. There are plenty of keypad options out there, CSP's Tabmate being my favorite. Very nice seeing them evolve like this!
My 27QHD's video controller failed - probably a capacitor issue, and Wacom wants $1000USD to repair it, sight unseen. Because it is impossible to get service documentation for anything Wacom, I cannot take it to an independent repair company, Wacom is the only option. Needless to say, I'm taking a very close look at this and Huion. Where the actual materials used are concerned, you may want to dig a little deeper - might rethink that "more premium" opinion.
from what Im reading online it seems like wacom quality ended years ago, i have 10 years old and around 15 years old tablets from them and they just cannot break no mater ho hard you try.
@@artsubskrypcjeart61 It seems that might be the case. I used Wacom tablets from the late 90s right until the time I bought my 27QHD from B&H about 5 years ago now. The video board gave up at just less than 4 years. Everything else works, so maybe I can find a way to resurrect as the world's most expensive, least useful Intuos tablet!
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I'm glad to see more 2k res options in the market. I know in the past XP-Pen supported Linux which was a + to me although I realize I'm in the minority there. I'll probably check on Huion just out of curiosity. 18:00 I think that's actuation force and one of the main things I'd consider before moving from my old Intuos because I can do very delicate strokes and have it register.
The solution to the anti glare plastic, is NOT having an all glass screen. I have the 24 Pro that came before this. I did the EXACT same thing that you did, while unboxing. Scratched the screen. If you believe that the little nick in the plastic is aggravating, then multiply that feeling by about 1,000 when you realize that you cannot peel off the glass, in order to rectify the situation.
This is the second tablet you've sold to me lmao. The previous one was the Wacom One, which is great, but a bit tiny for my taste, and this one seemed like the next logical upgrade. Oh shit I'm so hyped!
@@d42 So far it's been great. The build quality is really good, feels solid and responsive, the screen is huge and looks very sharp, plus it came with a bunch of extras like a whole extra pen in its own separate case. I would recommend it to others.
@@alejandrogorgal how does the screen feel? i got a huion but the display is uneven and the colors at the top are brighter than at the bottom so i'll definitly will be sending it back. thats kind of disappointing which is why im considering to get the artist pro instead
@@d42 I've only had it for a month, but so far it's very good. Before getting the XP-Pen, I had a Wacom One and the build quality on that thing sucked. The screen edges started peeling off on their own, I got really disappointed. But the XP-Pen feels solid, the buttons and everything else feel like they are well made and won't degrade so easily. The screen looks sharp and the brightness is even. If for whatever reason I ever have to buy a display tablet, I would definitely get another XP-Pen, and definitely stay away from Wacom.
Marc, I recently decided to get back into art and restart my project. I was looking for a new tablet after selling my Huion. This review convinced me to buy the XP- Pen Artist 24 pro, Lets hope its as great as it is in this review.
10:27 the stand is awesome to be honest but after more than a year with my 22 PRO i started having problems with the connections on the back be cause as you change the position of the stand (angle) it started a "material fatigue" problem with the connections on the back where now sometimes it disconnects and all the cables are plugged in, connection comes back after I move a little the connections so now I had to add a cable holder stuck with glue and use a "cable tie" (zip tie) on the back. If I ever buy another one I'll do my cable holder with glue thingy right away or try not to change the angle of the stand. Also I recommend to change the tips more often than normal to avoid scratches on the protecting film which has no replacement from XP-PEN.
Very late to reply, but at least for me I have just started having this issue. At ~1.8 years on 22E pro. However that is still just under warranty (2 year) and XP-Pen have offered a 22R pro as replacement, or a discounted 24 Pro if I pay the difference between what I paid on the 22E pro and the discounted 24 Pro. Honestly, very impressed with the after sale support from XP Pen.
Oh look, you have a little ghost orb at 14:44 ... falls straight down and sort of disappears into the tablet. It has a weird shape and movement, plus I don't see it go past the tablet onto the floor, maybe some out-of-focus floating cat fur? I don't know but it caught my attention.
I bought a Cintiq Pro 24” some days ago and I am giving it back today, VERY disappointed with the visual noise that the etched glass causes, very annoying. I am looking for the alternatives. This tablet have that issue? If a buy a tablet monitor I want crystal clear image, not a noisy grainy image....
David Sheep really? I’ve been saving up for it. But this xp pen tablet looks promising tbh. So I’m kinda debating whether getting this or the cintiq pro 24
Just buy Huion 24 pro because even though it has the etched glass surface it doesn't have that grainy look, I know this because I have the 16 pro model and it has the same specs except its 1080p
@@Smorms Yes, very annoying work on the Cintiq. The drawing experience is amazing, but the grainy effect is just too much. My 1080p 300$ monitor have best image quality than the 4K 2000$ Cintiq Pro's Monitor, no sense at all.
I love xp pen, to you 2500 may seem easy to reach, for me I'm happy to find 300 400 dollar tablets and hey pen tech is nice , and Wacom charges extra for those shortcuts in a remote you can loose. My 15.6 pro keeps going strong . No issues with buttons or click wheel had it since it's release year. No regrets , not a pro just fun to use and even compatible with my phone on the go with power bank on the side with hdmi usb dongle.
I think you are being a bit unfair to Huion by jumping to assumptions. Like the stand for example, is very sturdy and dependable. I move it up and down every day and it works perfectly. The mechanism itself is bigger and stronger, it won't break easily. The XP-Pen one seems a bit flimsy in comparison.
I was about to make the same comment, i had 2 hion the 220gt (wich was old and a bit shitty, with paralaxe, pen batterie, etc) and the kamvas pro 20. And if i have one thing that i love with both it's the stand, that is full metal and very sturdy. And now i see xpen do battery less pen with tilt with 2K 24inch display. And Huion is releasing almost the exact same product, i bet they come from the same factory concerning the electronique, then the software and hardware are from other factories. I think i will stick with hion, because beside the low refresh rate, it's unbeatable for the money.
Nothing unfair about not liking what it looks like! I'm coming from the angle this is a premium product and the stand is the same or almost identical to their old ones, no real improvement. If they're cutting corners there, with the ports included, on their website (it's never updated, can't even find their new tablet advertised on there), it doesn't inspire confidence... and consumer confidence is all they rely on to make money since you can't really test these things before you buy.
Thanks for the review, nobody test the inicial minimal pressure, thanks for that, for me thats very important because im used to wacom "normal" tablets, the other point to keep in mind for future reviews would be presure consistency, some tablets/pens (I think all except wacoms, Im not 100% sure) change pressure slightly but noticeable and could be annoying, one more thing is the size/resoultion, I use a 27" 1440p, I think 24" would be a little small, for example, zbrush buttons and sliders .. correct me if im wrong ,...Thanks again for the review.
Cheers! 24" is all the space I need honestly, more than that feels a bit too much. It's been very consistent too, I drew the sketch in the thumbnail using it and it was just like drawing on my 27QHD, except for the few occasions where the pen pressure didn't register when I color-picked.
I have the 15.6 inch version of that one. The large 24 inch reminds me of my 21UX 2nd gen Cintiq but with 8k levels of pressure. I also have the Cintiq 24 pro but honestly XP-Pen is getting close to Wacoms top end displays.\ Also when using both, I noticed that the XP-Pen 15.6 pro and 24 cintiq pro both have etched on glass with IPS displays. Though the nibs on the XP pen are much shorter connected in to the pen than the Wacom intuos pro pens.
If I would like to buy a huion, it costs about $ 300 more ... 24 costs as much as huion 22 ... but you convinced me there must be glass, I decided to buy Huion Kamvas 22 Plus
Thanks for making the review! Was gonna order a cintiq 24 pro, but I'm in a wacom facebook group and it looks like wacom has been having some serious quality control issues with their panels dying this gen which is sad, so I started looking for an alternative. After watching your review I ordered the Xp-pen 24 pro on black friday sale for $675. No it doesn't have the fancy glass or awesome drivers like wacom, but for the price it's worth a shot.. Hopefully it isn't a disappointment. Thanks again brother!
I hear what you're saying about going with the familiar keyboard shortcuts. I have the 15.6 Pro and with only 8 express keys (plus dial) it's not enough to substitute *every* Photoshop shortcut. So I use the express in combination with my keyboard. BUT, there's still a HUGE advantage to the express keys I'm really surprised doesn't get mentioned more often, if at all in any reviews. What about those multi-key shortcuts? If relying solely on the keyboard, you're going to pull your drawing hand away from the canvas (possibly setting the pen down?) to enter in those shortcuts? Take the classic example of CTRL+T for Transform. With the tablet keys I have easy access with just a single button click in convenient reach of my left hand. So the keyboard can be used for quick tool selections (Brush, Eraser, Lasso, marquee, etc...), space bar for panning, and even in case of Undo/Redo, the CTRL and Z keys are close enough to be easy to press with one hand. And my tablet keys give me that 1 click shortcut for what would otherwise be multi-key presses; Transform, Invert Selection, Fill, Image Size (saving art for web sizes), Canvas Size, and Flip Canvas (from a custom shortcut setup). Also the dial is the best way to adjust brush size on the fly, keeping a smooth work flow as I stroke and paint, not interrupting with right-click menus.
Just ordered mine from Amazon with a 4-year protection plan! w00t w00t! Can't wait to get it. I don't mind the protective film. I rather buy from Japan than China.
@@YTartschool no it's not.. it is from Japan.. the Huion is from China..... "Japan Start your creative journey today. XP-PEN is a professional and reliable supplier of graphics tablets, pen display monitors, stylus pens, and more. XP-PEN was founded in Japan in 2005 and began its research and development of graphic tablets. In 2015, XPPEN Technology Co."
16" for a travel tablet D: I wouldn't even travel with my Cintiq Pro 13"... the thing is heavy and while not fragile (is it really not though? are we sure? do we risk it?... not with something that, relatively, expensive) it still is a hassle with all the cables and thank wacom link thing... would of course be easier if my laptop had a usb-c but as it is now, this 13" is not a travel tablet... all hail the old intous pro, that, is a travel tablet!
To be fair, most of the refreshed 15.6"/16" tablets that got released 2019 onwards are pretty damn portable. The Kamvas Pro 16 for example is only 10mm thick, has a separate but equally portable stand, and only has one cable needed. (Albeit one that branches into a power cable and usb/HDMI for the laptop.) (Compared to my 2017-era Gaomon PD1560 of the same display size which has all the clunky form factor of the Kamvas Pro 20". It's a 16-incher as well, but it's three times as thick as the Kamvas Pro, and the stand needs to be screwed into the VESA mount holes on the back to use.) (But yeah, screenless tablets will always be the kings of portability and minimalism. The lack of display also makes them surprisingly future-proof :) )
That's the tablet that you want to get if you want to work on art or you really enjoy digital drawing, and thus have a nice workspace setup but still can't afford a cintiq because costs x2,5 times more.
The xp pen 24 is $800 usd. The Wacom Cintiq pro 24 is $1,900 usd + $500 usd stand. If you’re able to spend $800 usd on the xp pen then you have either 2 options. Option 1: Save that $800 & within another 1-2yrs you’ll have enough to cover the money for the Cintiq so you could buy it. You might need to pick up another part time job or skip doing things like eating out for a bit. Or Option 2: Buy the xp pen 24, use it & make money. Then once you make enough money to cover the cost of the Cintiq sell the xp pen to get a bit more money & pick up the Cintiq. To me at least yes, Wacom is expensive but the hardware is an investment & you’ll end up making up the money you spent on it and more! Plus you’ll have it for some years so you’ll get more than the value you paid for it out of it. Unless you were someone who wasn’t doing this professionally or not making a good amount of money from it then you shouldn’t be trying to start off with the cintiq. Cintiqs to me at least are more so the end game loot. You don’t just jump right into it if you aren’t there yet with your skills & this is something you do seriously.
Bought the xp-pen 15.6, everything is good except 3: -Button settings are very limited, especially pen buttons do not have pan/scroll option like wacoms' -Plastic Stand flexes (but for the price, better than nothing right?) -The screen heats up right at where the hand rests, not summer friendly. Other than that its almost perfect, especially for the price. -The type C 3-1 cable is a godsend, table is much tidier with less clutter -screen is very good with little parallax, quick button to adjust brightness etc. Well XP-pen is not exactly a Japanese brand, everything is made by ugee they just slapped a logo on. If they improve their driver the product line will really crush Wacom for the lower-end market
You are right about the 16pro glass thickness and parallax, its fragile, I got replaced mine after a year and a half because I got quite a bit of deadpixels from constantly having a hand on the screen, thicker glass is better. Also, the older cintiqs /13 hd/ was quite expensive and had the protective film over it because of the technology at the time, I actually liked it, because if I made a dent, I could replace it, I agree that the new cintiqs are durable, but if you do accidentally chip the glass, that would be unrepairable.
I'm a pro Illustrator but I'm not planning to buy a Cintiq. I'm happy with a cheaper graphic display that you can upgrade(replace) most often... than a Cintiq.
Wow that's a bit of a letdown to hear about the screen. Is the actual surface itself below that film glass, or is it plastic as well? If it is, you could probably just take the protector off and draw directly on the glass.
It's glass, they mentioned to me I could remove it but they have it in place to protect the glass from scratches so for long term use they recommend it stays on. Also I just absolutely hate drawing on a smooth glass surface like the iPad, so there's that.
I an actually saving money to buy my first computer and tablet duo. Looking for something for both drawing and gaming and I am having a hard time knowing what to look for. Don't shoot me, but I have been using ibis x on my phone to do commission work for the past 4 years. I want to do better for me and customers. I tried a screenless tablet a whole back and found it was extremely hard for me to get used to. I researched lately and came up with XPS 15 laptop from Dell and the Xp pen artist 13.3 pro as I'm used to a smaller screen. Watching this though as made me even more nervous about if I'm going to do good with it or not. Please shoot me some advice if you have the time. Thanks Marc.
If you get the Po5 pen the detection is a lot better. The pen that comes with the tablet with the red ring doesn't have as good detection. You should absolutely get the Po5 pen if you use Xp-Pen tablet, it's so much better.
My old XP-Pen tablets had an irritating problem. While doing fast cross-hatching, almost every line had a tiny "hook" at the end. So somehow the screen continued registering the stroke even after the pen was off the surface. Did you notice similar issues with this tablet?
Not with this tablet no, it's near perfect except sometimes it doesn't register the stroke until you press hard enough. It's a feather's weight more though, very subtle.
XP-Pen ARTIST 24 PRO vs Huion equivalent ( if you have managed to check it out), which would you go for ? and just for you, not as a recommendation , is Wacom worth the extra money ?
It seems interesting. I'll have to get a tablet soon for the desktop. I'm currently using a Surface Pro 4, which is smaller, but I got very used to using touch interface, and currently only WACOM makes pen displays with touch. The Surface Studio is an alternative, but the hardware is outdated with no option to update, and there's no antiglare on the screen (neither film nor glass). The colour is gorgeous, though, and the 3:2 format is better than the wide screens, in my opinion.
id be of wary about touch. Tablet computers like surface or ipad are built to work around touch but wacom tablets are not even though they can incorporate it. You can use touch on intuos tablets with the same functionality as the cintiqs and I can tell you its not a reliable way to work, especially when palm rejection is not always there (and can be worse if the software you use doesnt have anything to work with it). I myself have a cintiq 24 pro and opted out of the touch model because of this but also because the way higher price just to have it in (extra $500 in the us, no thanks)
XP-Pen 21 Pro. It is glass with no buttons. I just got rid of it for the 24R Pro which I love for the film which gives the surface texture. Big toss up between the iPad Pro and the 24R Pro for me anyway.
I had my first cintiq 24HD broken in less than 7 months of use, sent it for repairs to wacom since it was under warranty and I received it broken still so they eventually replaced it. So what I mean is that even bug brands are not immune to problems. I have been using an XP-PEN 15.6 pro for a year now and the only thing I had to remove was the protective film, but the buttons hold very nice so no problems there either. I do have a problem while painting at 25% or 33% zoom in clip studio paint so I get these wobbly lines, so It becomes hard to paint trying to see more of the canvas size.
I have the 15.6 pro and I've beaten it up an unfortunate amount on accident since getting it and it doesn't have one mark on it, it's wild. My chihuahua jumped on my lap with it even x_x
you might have had a defective pen on the other, my 15.6 pro pen got messed up and I got it replaced (my cat launched it across the room into a board.... heh). I do very rarely have it not pick up really light touches on the color wheel, but almost never does it affect strokes/strokes being too light to pick up and coming up too thick instead. I use paintstorm studio and it has a really nice pressure setup, so idk if it has something to do with that or the tablet. It works really nice in krita too though
Man... can't thank you enough for covering the initial force pressure required to register the stroke. Unfortunetely this is the only deal breaker for these kind of tablet, after hours working, this extra force required to draw makes difference. Since them any new chinese tablet that lowers these pressure required to activate? Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!
@@YTartschool It's dying. It takes 5-10 minutes just to turn on sometimes. There's overblown lights on the top left of the screen that burn out the image (not much of an issue since it's kinda covering the file menus on clip studio/photoshop), dead/stuck pixels... And as a zBrush user, the UI is getting super crowded with each update. I also have to use the 22HD's drivers now since Wacom is no longer supporting it properly. I've had this thing for over a decade. It would also just be nicer to be able to use my other 3D modeling software on the same screen for streaming purposes, which also have overcrowded UI issues for 4:3 aspect ratio screens as more and more software just forget about that aspect ratio. I personally do feel like this would be an upgrade for me, but I've been holding off on these Wacom alternatives hoping they introduce something higher than 1080p and they're finally doing it with these new 24" models.
Hey @MarcBrunet, I wouldn't be surprised if the anti-glare covering is absorbing some of the force when you lightly tap down. I'm curious to see if the problem persists when it is removed.
I tried and it doesn't make any difference. They mentioned to me the film is there to protect the glass from scratches so I'm inclined to leave it on anyways. Better to have a scratched up film than a scratched up glass panel you can't replace. Even better if this was not a concern tho :)
Huion Kamvas Pro 24 or this XP-pen? I'm sorry, I can't choose. In huion I like glass, but I don't like buttons and ports, and in xp-pen I don't like film coating. As I understood from the video, the coating on the XP-pen is not very resistant to damage?
I am a senior student at a fine arts high school and I am thinking of buying an XP-Pen 24 drawing tablet to prepare a portfolio for the animation department and to use at university. The only reason why I want it so big is that I want to continue making realistic drawings But is it too big, on the contrary, unusable? Is it of good quality for realistic drawing? Can someone with experience please help?
When you start to include more expensive bits like 4K panels the price will go up too, it'll be interesting for sure to see how well they're able to price their tablets when they use similar components as Wacom.
Except for the tooth feeling of the screen, does the protector film affects image quality, compared to a laminated display? I'm struggling between the Xp Pen and Huion 24 inches versions, but i heard that Huion Kamvas 24 is maybe not bright enough. Is that true? I currently have an Xp Pen Artist 15.6 pro with a laminated display. I used to draw with an old (and still awesome) 12wx Wacom Cintiq, so the tooth paper feeling doesn't bother me.
Hi, don't know if you'll read this, but: Would you recommend this 850€ XP Artist 24 Pro over a 700€ refurbished Wacom Cintiq 22HD ? (Knowing that I draw everyday for hours.) I used Wacom Pro M for 4-5 years and it's great but I think a screen display could help me fasten my animation/lining speed.
Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 doesn't include stand (though it include wacom remote). Surprisingly, Wacom Cintiq 22 include a stand... but doesn't include wacom remote... I don't know what they're thinking...
I think a lot of Wacom Cintiq Pro users don't use a stand (myself included), but an ergotron arm instead since it's a better solution all around. It's certainly the case for a lot of studios too, so they tailor their products to their most profitable audience I guess.
I’m so stuck between the Huion 24 and this! I actually had the Huion ordered for $1200 (warranty and customs tax plus it’s not on sale like the xp pen rn) and so i actually cancelled my order bc it’s $750 for the xp pen on sale and it’s shipping from US. I’m still stuck between the two and i’m DYING reviews between the two. there are NONE for the huion. if the huion is better with the laminated screen and etched screen i’ll wait until it’s stocked in america
I'm personally thinking of buying the huion. I was about to buy xp pen but that plastic layer is a turn off for me. I am willing to pay a bit extra if it means i get proper sturdy glass.
I'm in the same boat, waiting for more reviews on both to decide which one to buy. I'm not impressed with the non laminated display and antiglare film so far. Probably getting the Huion Pro 24. Gonna wait till more reviews are out :)
I was about to get the Huion one too but the import taxes to usa pushes the price into cinti 22 territory. Since this xp-pen one was on sale i had to get it. It's almost the same thing. Plus huion's pen tech is a springy type like the wacom "stroke nib." This one is a regular nib.
I am considering this option - Huion Kamvas Pro 24. What do you know about this company? And most of all I am wondering how high-quality the display matrix is, will my eyes not get tired? And further. Most laptops now have a resolution of 1920 x 1080 pixels, so when I duplicate the display on a tablet, I will get the maximum this resolution? The tablet has a 2k resolution.
Awesome review!!! I did in fact picked this up yesterday but there is one thing that is quite a pain and that it's not working with zbrush currently.... idk if I'm doing anything wrong but it works super well with blender, all the express keys work just not with zbrush. Any suggestions you could recommend or did this happen to you as well?
Hey guys! Here's my initial review for the tablet, not much more I could test that would make any difference for artists so let me know if you have any questions, or if I didn' t mention something you think is important. I'm gonna be answering questions in the comments for the next couple weeks and might do a follow up video after a couple months to see long term how it holds up!
My reviews always reflect my own priorities when it comes to tablets so keep that in mind too! A lot of artists get stuck on details that really don't impact workflow in a meaningful way. This is a review from some old guy who's tried a million different tablets over the years, and who actually does heavy work on them daily... whatever that's worth in this context!
How is the non laminated screen vs a cintiq laminated screen?
Are you sure you did remove the delivery film? Like it comes with a film to protect the thing that happened to you, that is bad plastic and scratches super fast. Because mine doesn't do the bubble thingie.
(Like both are there you don't have to put anything when it comes from the box)
@@Cubyhielo So we have to remove two films? And under them is another one or just the glass?
@@0nefiria059 I've seen in the comments on a different video that you can take both films off and just have the glass screen ..
One thing that I found that made me like XP much more than wacom is the drivers, I have a long history and having problems with wacom drivers, and so far my XP Pen 15.6 Pro has had no problems whatsoever
I actually got this one a few week back and I really love it. Though the film does gets wore down over time, the experience that I had with has been mainly positive. Plus the stand is super cool.
They now sell screen protectors.
its bene 2 years, how is it holding up
im looking to buy one but i dont wanna pay that much if the film peels off.
I ordered this today, your review helped a lot! I was really debating on what my next tablet should be, seeing both Huion and Xp-pen new tablets, sure got me excited. I have a old wacom cintiq 13hd, which have served me well for so long but I needed something bigger and doesn't disconnect by the slightest touch. So I found this to be a good price and tablet to use for my school work! I'm currently attending an animation school :D so thank you for the great video!
You and me both, the disconnecting at just the tiniest of touches is enough to drive oneself absolutely mad!
@@Templarboi It is a pain yeah, that they used a cable that easily breaks connection. I have been patient but seeing such a good offer on a tablet with higher resolution, the wait is over :) and look forward to test it at school, especially when it comes to zbrush, since it will be good with a lot more space.
What do you think of the tablet since you got it? I have a 13 hd as well and wanted to upgrade! I am usually skeptical about wacom alternatives because wagon is industry standard and I was looking at the cintiq 22 too
@@khalidsamara9972 For what it's worth I've had the XP-pen 24 now for about 2 months and it's never failed on me or created any sort of discomfort in the drawing process. It's been a very pleasant experience, although as Marc pointed out in the video, you do have to press a little harder on the tablet in comparison to Wacom, but while it sounds to be an incovenience it really is not very noticeable at all. Primarily only when I do color picking do I notice it as I tend to tap lightly when holding down the alt key in photoshop.
@Khalid Samara Hey, sorry for the late response. But after been using it for a while now, so far, I am pleasantly surprised. It worked a lot better than what I thought it would. The build and as well the screen is so nice and clear. More importantly the drawing experience is amazing, much like Wacom. But I can understand the feeling about being skeptical, I am also like that and picky when it comes to tablets. Though, I am really happy with it and it does the work I need of it, same time not breaking my wallet so to speak. The Cintiq 22, is also a great tablet to be honest. One of my classmates have that one, so got to test and see it, the price on that one is also a lot better than a pro. So I am sure, you would be happy no matter which one you pick. The only thing that bugged me when it came to the 22’’ is that the resolution of the screen wasn’t as clear, but then again it is hd and a very large screen, still not horrible but yeah. One of the reasons that I got the 24’’ from xppen was because of it being bigger resolutions and it shows. I think the only thing I would love to have on the xppen is the eraser tip on the pen, since it such a habit of me to turn the pen. I hope it helps, or else feel free to write to me :D
I have the Artist 22R Pro, and aldo i'm used to work with the keyboard, the wheel is great for Zoom, and also use the lower for the size of the Brush. The screen film on mine doesn't do any strange sound. Has for being hot i've had my tablet on for more then 8 hours, and the temperature is great, not to hot. The pen doesn't need charging. The only down side is only Full HD. Great review, and it's good to see an amazing artist to do a review of this products.
You can draw directly on the glass, and remove the protective screen from the get go.
If they have exactly the same protective film as 22e pro has, i advice simply taking the film off and draw on glass screen directly. Film after long use(it was 6 month for me) will get so scratched up you will barely able to see your drawings especially when some kind of light hits the screen. I was afraid that drawing directly on the glass screen will form same amount of scratches but after about 2 years of drawing directly on the screen i can say for sure that glass is sturdy enough to withstand the damage from the pen. With that said I still can see some scratches on the glass when I have some sort of direct light directly shinning on the screen(like flashlight) and pay hard attention to the surface, but it never interfered with my process of drawing or painting(in fact i never even seen a scratch and didnt knew whether there were any or not in 2 years until i directed flashlight onto the screen to check if there is any or not)
That's my experience with the textured film that came with my 2017-era Gaomon PD1560. I took it off and never looked back. (And my initial nib has barely perceptible wear even after 3 years of full-time drawing.)
If the film is easily removable, and the underlying surface actual glass, then that would be no different than my current drawing setup.
Which is awesome, because I hate how the hyperbole surrounding "paperlike" textured screens and screen-protectors is making gloss screens harder to find with each passing year. (It's not some magic pill to drawing better like beginner/intermediate artists make it out to be, but what you get instead is a noticeable "fuzzy" look to what would otherwise be a crisp and clear screen.)
I got a laptop tempered glass protector for mine. My cat scratched it but hey my tablet is safe lol
I just hate drawing on a smooth glass surface :( same reason I never draw on iPad.
@Zenpatis I"m having the same problem now, where there's a huge scratch mark on my 22E pro and was searching high and low for a replacement. But thanks for the tip! I might consider draw directly on the glass screen :)
@@YTartschool Not even with Paperlike? I do hate the glossy and slippery texture too but that film does help a lot to give some friction to the pencil
About buttons - have 15.6 pro for a year - buttons is still ok)
had 15.6 pro since xmas and I use them connnnnstantly and they're showing 0 wear
I have the 15.6 as well and I honestly love it. I've had it over a year now, use it almost daily and honestly it hasn't worn down at all. I absolutely LOVE the dial on it as well. And truly I think it's a completely fair comparison to Wacom.
@@Mochikyan50 im so excited to get my 12 pro since the 15.6 is just a larger version of it! im glad it lasts long as well!
Had mine for about three or four years still works amazing upgrading to 24pro this month!!!🤗🤗🤗❤️
I've got the 22R Pro which was the previous tablet that XP-Pen released. I'm fully happy with it and find that the only difference between the 22R and this one is the 2K QHD Display. With that being said, if XP-Pen had some sort of trade-in program for their tablets, I'd totally upgrade to the 24 Pro.
Have this model for 6 months and I have to be honest I'm pretty satisfied, works great. Great review BTW.
10:26 review begins
hey thanks! :)
thanks yo
Got a Wacom Cintiq 13HD and I'm envious of that back stand.
I'm not sure about newer models of XP-Pen, but on my 22E you are able to get rid of the film if you want to just draw on the glass of the screen, more glare but less streaks
Are you sure the parallax between the pen and the screen is 3 millimetres? I don't think you realize how big that is. You said it's about half of what you have on your Cintiq, which would make the parallax on your Cintiq about 6 millimetres, which is over half a centimetre, which is absolutely huge. I have a really old Cintiq from 2008, and the parallax on that is probably just about 2 millimetres.
Yeah. The parallax on my unlaminated Gaomon PD1560 is about 2mm at most. Laminated should be 1mm or less.
I think he may have meant, 0.3 mm, cause 3 mm is quite huge for a laminated screen
I bought my 13hd wacom cintiq some 5 years ago and it still works great but this monster is almost twice that size for the same amount of money (back then). If XP-Pen 24 was an option back then, I would have definitely went with it.
This is my first drawing tablet after being a traditional artist for years now, I’m just starting out digital Art.
I love XP, its interesting seeing someone bring up things I never noticed before
I'm debating on this one. Looking forward to your review. Thank you!
I bought the 22R a while ago and I literally hated the high activation force required. I tend to draw with a very light hand, so sometimes the strokes came out interrupted. Unacceptable. I refunded the tablet and went back to my previous model (an Xp-Pen 15.6). After a lot of test I identified the problem, it's not the tablet itself but the new P2A pen they ship with it (and with this model). The older model used a different technology, they had bigger tips, so it was difficult to be more precise with the strokes, but at least the activation force was very light.
I'm waiting to buy any more models from this brand until they upgrade their pen tech. Again, not hating on XP-PEN, I have 2 tablets from them already, and I wanted to upgrade to a bigger one, but really this time I think they made a misstep changing the pen when it's not really better than the older models.
There are people saying they're using their older pens with this new tablet to fix the issue. Do you think this is possible? I have an XP-Pen pen, but it's only from a G-640S series so not even a display tablet.
The good news is that after 2 reviews where I mention it, they're now working on improving that activation issue. They even have a new family of tablets that are coming out soon, I'll get to review that in the next few weeks, really curious to see if the changes have already been implemented
Marc Brunet that's great to hear! Maybe they are releasing new models a bit too quickly though :/ I mean you have barely the time to inform yourself and read the various reviews that they're already releasing a new model! We'll see.
@icymeow actually yes, I tested my old pen that came with my Deco 03 and it worked but it didn't have tilt recognition and since the tip is bigger it was kinda hard to calibrate properly.
@@IMKatar - Yes! I'm waiting to get my 24 Artist Pro, and here Marc convinced them to start working on the activation issue 😵
Respect, love and gratitude. Passion, talent. Unlimited. Thank you for helping
Brilliant review, Marc! Such a privilege to get the opinion of an experienced artist as opposed to a lot of other reviewers who are - not trying to throw any shade here - not exactly on the same level. Will seriously consider picking this one up, especially considering the 15% discount, although the film has me somewhat concerned as to the longevity of the product. The Huion version might be better in that department, but I can't for the life of me get over how chunky and unappealing the Huion products are in terms of aesthetics, especially the stand as well. Might be a weird thing, but it just irks me for some reason lol.
Thanks man, yeah the look of the product is super important when purchasing a luxury product (which this definitely is)! That's why luxury cars usually tend to look pretty damn good!
I love your transperancy and honsty , Thanks so much for the great review Marc
So I have a 20 inch huion now and what I see that I don't like on XP, is that: The way the stand is on the Huion I can have the the screen hang down of the edge of my desk an inch. Which the way my torso is it makes it so much easier to reach and gives a good angle. It is like when lots of people use an ergo arm they rest the back of the screen on the edge of the desk...which helps keep it from bouncing with pressure. The XP pen has to see completely on top of the desk.
Yep I'm buying it
i think the film is a better idea. it's replicable and because it and the nip are both made of plastic, the nibs will also last longer as they are on the same hardness scale. etched glass will ware out the nibs faster.
*wear
Not to mention it's removable for those who hate screen texture
My old Cintiq 13 just quit on me so I was shopping around for a new display tablet. This really helped me pick XP-Pen as my go to. Unfortunately the Cintiq 22 was sold out and needing one urgently for work I had to pick!
Thanks for doing this! I've been looking at Xp pen for a bit and was having trouble making up my mind and this helped a lot!
Gonna really have to recommend the Huion Kamvas Pro 24 over this. At the same price, you can get a full laminated screen with the Huion. It's a great display :)
That's just something you'll notice when reading the specs, in reality this makes virtually no difference, like crazy amounts of pressure levels. Just marketing shenanigans.
Ah nice. they actually sent an early review model to a professional!
I hope Wacom will rebrand their 22" with QHD display screens soon.
Also hope Huion throws their 24" to you, for comparison. Since the non laminated screen of the Xp pen 24 and it's film being a bit of a mixed bag.
It also seems that these alternatives' EMR might have wobbles and jitters according to screen thickness, akin to Apple Pen, if you put a thick screen protector on it, rather than a thin one. Wonder how the Huion will compare to the Xp-Pen in that regard then. Would want a non button version too. There are plenty of keypad options out there, CSP's Tabmate being my favorite.
Very nice seeing them evolve like this!
My 27QHD's video controller failed - probably a capacitor issue, and Wacom wants $1000USD to repair it, sight unseen. Because it is impossible to get service documentation for anything Wacom, I cannot take it to an independent repair company, Wacom is the only option. Needless to say, I'm taking a very close look at this and Huion. Where the actual materials used are concerned, you may want to dig a little deeper - might rethink that "more premium" opinion.
from what Im reading online it seems like wacom quality ended years ago, i have 10 years old and around 15 years old tablets from them and they just cannot break no mater ho hard you try.
@@artsubskrypcjeart61 It seems that might be the case. I used Wacom tablets from the late 90s right until the time I bought my 27QHD from B&H about 5 years ago now. The video board gave up at just less than 4 years. Everything else works, so maybe I can find a way to resurrect as the world's most expensive, least useful Intuos tablet!
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I'm glad to see more 2k res options in the market. I know in the past XP-Pen supported Linux which was a + to me although I realize I'm in the minority there. I'll probably check on Huion just out of curiosity. 18:00 I think that's actuation force and one of the main things I'd consider before moving from my old Intuos because I can do very delicate strokes and have it register.
The solution to the anti glare plastic, is NOT having an all glass screen. I have the 24 Pro that came before this. I did the EXACT same thing that you did, while unboxing. Scratched the screen. If you believe that the little nick in the plastic is aggravating, then multiply that feeling by about 1,000 when you realize that you cannot peel off the glass, in order to rectify the situation.
Always appreciate your insight on these products. It's out of my price range right now, but does seem like a great option! Thanks for sharing :)
Thanks for the honest review. I don't think there is anything else you could have tested or mentioned to help people decide.
Fantastic review thanks so much. Very helpful. Just ordered my 24Pro and really looking forward to it.
what's your take on it, 2 years on?
This is the second tablet you've sold to me lmao. The previous one was the Wacom One, which is great, but a bit tiny for my taste, and this one seemed like the next logical upgrade.
Oh shit I'm so hyped!
so how is it?
@@d42 So far it's been great. The build quality is really good, feels solid and responsive, the screen is huge and looks very sharp, plus it came with a bunch of extras like a whole extra pen in its own separate case.
I would recommend it to others.
@@alejandrogorgal how does the screen feel? i got a huion but the display is uneven and the colors at the top are brighter than at the bottom so i'll definitly will be sending it back. thats kind of disappointing which is why im considering to get the artist pro instead
@@d42 I've only had it for a month, but so far it's very good.
Before getting the XP-Pen, I had a Wacom One and the build quality on that thing sucked. The screen edges started peeling off on their own, I got really disappointed.
But the XP-Pen feels solid, the buttons and everything else feel like they are well made and won't degrade so easily. The screen looks sharp and the brightness is even.
If for whatever reason I ever have to buy a display tablet, I would definitely get another XP-Pen, and definitely stay away from Wacom.
I would love to hear your updates
Marc, I recently decided to get back into art and restart my project. I was looking for a new tablet after selling my Huion. This review convinced me to buy the XP- Pen Artist 24 pro, Lets hope its as great as it is in this review.
What kind of huion are you selling
10:27 the stand is awesome to be honest but after more than a year with my 22 PRO i started having problems with the connections on the back be cause as you change the position of the stand (angle) it started a "material fatigue" problem with the connections on the back where now sometimes it disconnects and all the cables are plugged in, connection comes back after I move a little the connections so now I had to add a cable holder stuck with glue and use a "cable tie" (zip tie) on the back.
If I ever buy another one I'll do my cable holder with glue thingy right away or try not to change the angle of the stand.
Also I recommend to change the tips more often than normal to avoid scratches on the protecting film which has no replacement from XP-PEN.
Very late to reply, but at least for me I have just started having this issue. At ~1.8 years on 22E pro. However that is still just under warranty (2 year) and XP-Pen have offered a 22R pro as replacement, or a discounted 24 Pro if I pay the difference between what I paid on the 22E pro and the discounted 24 Pro.
Honestly, very impressed with the after sale support from XP Pen.
I see the thumbnail, and think, "why is Johnny sins reviewing a tablet?" Im sorry
At least 20 people know who that is 🤨
I wish i hadn’t googled that lol
Social distancing, duh.
@@bentontramell hahah that's funny
@@MaximilianDraco FFS, LMAO
Oh look, you have a little ghost orb at 14:44 ... falls straight down and sort of disappears into the tablet. It has a weird shape and movement, plus I don't see it go past the tablet onto the floor, maybe some out-of-focus floating cat fur? I don't know but it caught my attention.
I bought a Cintiq Pro 24” some days ago and I am giving it back today, VERY disappointed with the visual noise that the etched glass causes, very annoying. I am looking for the alternatives. This tablet have that issue? If a buy a tablet monitor I want crystal clear image, not a noisy grainy image....
David Sheep really? I’ve been saving up for it. But this xp pen tablet looks promising tbh. So I’m kinda debating whether getting this or the cintiq pro 24
In the review he says theres a layer of anti glare on the screen that can peel... so I'm guessing it won't be crystal clear.
Just buy Huion 24 pro because even though it has the etched glass surface it doesn't have that grainy look, I know this because I have the 16 pro model and it has the same specs except its 1080p
@@Smorms Yes, very annoying work on the Cintiq. The drawing experience is amazing, but the grainy effect is just too much. My 1080p 300$ monitor have best image quality than the 4K 2000$ Cintiq Pro's Monitor, no sense at all.
@@DavidSheep trust me it's better than a smooth screen like the huion
I love xp pen, to you 2500 may seem easy to reach, for me I'm happy to find 300 400 dollar tablets and hey pen tech is nice , and Wacom charges extra for those shortcuts in a remote you can loose. My 15.6 pro keeps going strong . No issues with buttons or click wheel had it since it's release year. No regrets , not a pro just fun to use and even compatible with my phone on the go with power bank on the side with hdmi usb dongle.
I think you are being a bit unfair to Huion by jumping to assumptions. Like the stand for example, is very sturdy and dependable. I move it up and down every day and it works perfectly. The mechanism itself is bigger and stronger, it won't break easily. The XP-Pen one seems a bit flimsy in comparison.
would be cool a video comparing those stands
I second this. The huion stand I have is quite sturdy.
I was about to make the same comment, i had 2 hion the 220gt (wich was old and a bit shitty, with paralaxe, pen batterie, etc) and the kamvas pro 20. And if i have one thing that i love with both it's the stand, that is full metal and very sturdy. And now i see xpen do battery less pen with tilt with 2K 24inch display. And Huion is releasing almost the exact same product, i bet they come from the same factory concerning the electronique, then the software and hardware are from other factories. I think i will stick with hion, because beside the low refresh rate, it's unbeatable for the money.
Nothing unfair about not liking what it looks like! I'm coming from the angle this is a premium product and the stand is the same or almost identical to their old ones, no real improvement. If they're cutting corners there, with the ports included, on their website (it's never updated, can't even find their new tablet advertised on there), it doesn't inspire confidence... and consumer confidence is all they rely on to make money since you can't really test these things before you buy.
The huion stand is super sturdy. Its metal with rubber stoppers. I have no compalints wiyh it.
WOW! hopefully i have it.. great review sir Marc! youre such a great artist with clean haved hair.!
Thanks for the review, nobody test the inicial minimal pressure, thanks for that, for me thats very important because im used to wacom "normal" tablets, the other point to keep in mind for future reviews would be presure consistency, some tablets/pens (I think all except wacoms, Im not 100% sure) change pressure slightly but noticeable and could be annoying, one more thing is the size/resoultion, I use a 27" 1440p, I think 24" would be a little small, for example, zbrush buttons and sliders .. correct me if im wrong ,...Thanks again for the review.
Cheers! 24" is all the space I need honestly, more than that feels a bit too much. It's been very consistent too, I drew the sketch in the thumbnail using it and it was just like drawing on my 27QHD, except for the few occasions where the pen pressure didn't register when I color-picked.
I have the 15.6 inch version of that one. The large 24 inch reminds me of my 21UX 2nd gen Cintiq but with 8k levels of pressure.
I also have the Cintiq 24 pro but honestly XP-Pen is getting close to Wacoms top end displays.\
Also when using both, I noticed that the XP-Pen 15.6 pro and 24 cintiq pro both have etched on glass with IPS displays. Though the nibs on the XP pen are much shorter connected in to the pen than the Wacom intuos pro pens.
the 15.6 model from xp-pen has the same protective film as this larger 24 pro model
Worked on a Cintiq pro with 4k...and it was nightmarish, this tablet looks really good.
Explain
Would like to know what was bad. I use a Cintiq Pro 24 everyday and it’s heaven to work on. So glad I have it.
Thank you! Very clear and awesome review)
If I would like to buy a huion, it costs about $ 300 more ...
24 costs as much as huion 22 ...
but you convinced me there must be glass, I decided to buy Huion Kamvas 22 Plus
Thanks for making the review! Was gonna order a cintiq 24 pro, but I'm in a wacom facebook group and it looks like wacom has been having some serious quality control issues with their panels dying this gen which is sad, so I started looking for an alternative. After watching your review I ordered the Xp-pen 24 pro on black friday sale for $675. No it doesn't have the fancy glass or awesome drivers like wacom, but for the price it's worth a shot.. Hopefully it isn't a disappointment. Thanks again brother!
how it went?
I hear what you're saying about going with the familiar keyboard shortcuts. I have the 15.6 Pro and with only 8 express keys (plus dial) it's not enough to substitute *every* Photoshop shortcut. So I use the express in combination with my keyboard.
BUT, there's still a HUGE advantage to the express keys I'm really surprised doesn't get mentioned more often, if at all in any reviews. What about those multi-key shortcuts? If relying solely on the keyboard, you're going to pull your drawing hand away from the canvas (possibly setting the pen down?) to enter in those shortcuts? Take the classic example of CTRL+T for Transform. With the tablet keys I have easy access with just a single button click in convenient reach of my left hand.
So the keyboard can be used for quick tool selections (Brush, Eraser, Lasso, marquee, etc...), space bar for panning, and even in case of Undo/Redo, the CTRL and Z keys are close enough to be easy to press with one hand. And my tablet keys give me that 1 click shortcut for what would otherwise be multi-key presses; Transform, Invert Selection, Fill, Image Size (saving art for web sizes), Canvas Size, and Flip Canvas (from a custom shortcut setup). Also the dial is the best way to adjust brush size on the fly, keeping a smooth work flow as I stroke and paint, not interrupting with right-click menus.
Just ordered mine from Amazon with a 4-year protection plan! w00t w00t! Can't wait to get it. I don't mind the protective film. I rather buy from Japan than China.
It's a chinese brand tho, but it's a good purchase, still enjoying mine
@@YTartschool no it's not.. it is from Japan.. the Huion is from China.....
"Japan
Start your creative journey today. XP-PEN is a professional and reliable supplier of graphics tablets, pen display monitors, stylus pens, and more. XP-PEN was founded in Japan in 2005 and began its research and development of graphic tablets. In 2015, XPPEN Technology Co."
Whoa I searched and it’s indeed founded on Japan back on 2005 :0
16" for a travel tablet D: I wouldn't even travel with my Cintiq Pro 13"... the thing is heavy and while not fragile (is it really not though? are we sure? do we risk it?... not with something that, relatively, expensive) it still is a hassle with all the cables and thank wacom link thing... would of course be easier if my laptop had a usb-c but as it is now, this 13" is not a travel tablet... all hail the old intous pro, that, is a travel tablet!
To be fair, most of the refreshed 15.6"/16" tablets that got released 2019 onwards are pretty damn portable.
The Kamvas Pro 16 for example is only 10mm thick, has a separate but equally portable stand, and only has one cable needed. (Albeit one that branches into a power cable and usb/HDMI for the laptop.)
(Compared to my 2017-era Gaomon PD1560 of the same display size which has all the clunky form factor of the Kamvas Pro 20". It's a 16-incher as well, but it's three times as thick as the Kamvas Pro, and the stand needs to be screwed into the VESA mount holes on the back to use.)
(But yeah, screenless tablets will always be the kings of portability and minimalism. The lack of display also makes them surprisingly future-proof :) )
18:20 is not your pressure, is the tilt, the angle on how you press the pen that doesn't register the mark while trying to pick other color
That's the tablet that you want to get if you want to work on art or you really enjoy digital drawing, and thus have a nice workspace setup but still can't afford a cintiq because costs x2,5 times more.
The xp pen 24 is $800 usd. The Wacom Cintiq pro 24 is $1,900 usd + $500 usd stand. If you’re able to spend $800 usd on the xp pen then you have either 2 options.
Option 1: Save that $800 & within another 1-2yrs you’ll have enough to cover the money for the Cintiq so you could buy it. You might need to pick up another part time job or skip doing things like eating out for a bit.
Or Option 2: Buy the xp pen 24, use it & make money. Then once you make enough money to cover the cost of the Cintiq sell the xp pen to get a bit more money & pick up the Cintiq.
To me at least yes, Wacom is expensive but the hardware is an investment & you’ll end up making up the money you spent on it and more! Plus you’ll have it for some years so you’ll get more than the value you paid for it out of it. Unless you were someone who wasn’t doing this professionally or not making a good amount of money from it then you shouldn’t be trying to start off with the cintiq. Cintiqs to me at least are more so the end game loot. You don’t just jump right into it if you aren’t there yet with your skills & this is something you do seriously.
Very honest review. Thank you. 🙂
Bought the xp-pen 15.6, everything is good except 3:
-Button settings are very limited, especially pen buttons do not have pan/scroll option like wacoms'
-Plastic Stand flexes (but for the price, better than nothing right?)
-The screen heats up right at where the hand rests, not summer friendly.
Other than that its almost perfect, especially for the price.
-The type C 3-1 cable is a godsend, table is much tidier with less clutter
-screen is very good with little parallax, quick button to adjust brightness etc.
Well XP-pen is not exactly a Japanese brand, everything is made by ugee they just slapped a logo on.
If they improve their driver the product line will really crush Wacom for the lower-end market
I know i'm years late, but i rally want to says that this is the best pen display review ever. Thank you sensei~
You are right about the 16pro glass thickness and parallax, its fragile, I got replaced mine after a year and a half because I got quite a bit of deadpixels from constantly having a hand on the screen, thicker glass is better.
Also, the older cintiqs /13 hd/ was quite expensive and had the protective film over it because of the technology at the time, I actually liked it, because if I made a dent, I could replace it,
I agree that the new cintiqs are durable, but if you do accidentally chip the glass, that would be unrepairable.
Should I buy 24or16 gen 2? It’s come with a new pen
I'm a pro Illustrator but I'm not planning to buy a Cintiq. I'm happy with a cheaper graphic display that you can upgrade(replace) most often... than a Cintiq.
So technically we could switch the film with another one, when we damaged the original one? Can we even buy such a film from XP-Pen?
Doesn't seem like it. Would probably have to get a third party film.
Get a tempered glass one from Amazon!
@@Kipzi can't find a tempered one for 13.3 pro 😌
I could buy a replacement for previous models, but they tend to be rare.
@@sacb0y you just need one that covers the screen area so a laptop cover works fine
Thank u so much for your honestly
Wow that's a bit of a letdown to hear about the screen.
Is the actual surface itself below that film glass, or is it plastic as well? If it is, you could probably just take the protector off and draw directly on the glass.
It's glass, they mentioned to me I could remove it but they have it in place to protect the glass from scratches so for long term use they recommend it stays on. Also I just absolutely hate drawing on a smooth glass surface like the iPad, so there's that.
still planning to buy this one~ still looks great
I an actually saving money to buy my first computer and tablet duo. Looking for something for both drawing and gaming and I am having a hard time knowing what to look for. Don't shoot me, but I have been using ibis x on my phone to do commission work for the past 4 years. I want to do better for me and customers. I tried a screenless tablet a whole back and found it was extremely hard for me to get used to. I researched lately and came up with XPS 15 laptop from Dell and the Xp pen artist 13.3 pro as I'm used to a smaller screen. Watching this though as made me even more nervous about if I'm going to do good with it or not. Please shoot me some advice if you have the time. Thanks Marc.
If you get the Po5 pen the detection is a lot better. The pen that comes with the tablet with the red ring doesn't have as good detection. You should absolutely get the Po5 pen if you use Xp-Pen tablet, it's so much better.
What do you think of the Huion 24 2K tablet, you had any chance to look at the specs of it and how it compares to this one?
Thanks for the review. Still not sure should I invest in cintiq 24 pro or this one... Difficult )
My old XP-Pen tablets had an irritating problem. While doing fast cross-hatching, almost every line had a tiny "hook" at the end. So somehow the screen continued registering the stroke even after the pen was off the surface. Did you notice similar issues with this tablet?
Not with this tablet no, it's near perfect except sometimes it doesn't register the stroke until you press hard enough. It's a feather's weight more though, very subtle.
It's so nice to watch a review while looking at a handsome reviewer 😅
XP-Pen ARTIST 24 PRO vs Huion equivalent ( if you have managed to check it out), which would you go for ?
and just for you, not as a recommendation , is Wacom worth the extra money ?
It seems interesting. I'll have to get a tablet soon for the desktop. I'm currently using a Surface Pro 4, which is smaller, but I got very used to using touch interface, and currently only WACOM makes pen displays with touch.
The Surface Studio is an alternative, but the hardware is outdated with no option to update, and there's no antiglare on the screen (neither film nor glass). The colour is gorgeous, though, and the 3:2 format is better than the wide screens, in my opinion.
id be of wary about touch. Tablet computers like surface or ipad are built to work around touch but wacom tablets are not even though they can incorporate it. You can use touch on intuos tablets with the same functionality as the cintiqs and I can tell you its not a reliable way to work, especially when palm rejection is not always there (and can be worse if the software you use doesnt have anything to work with it).
I myself have a cintiq 24 pro and opted out of the touch model because of this but also because the way higher price just to have it in (extra $500 in the us, no thanks)
XP-Pen 21 Pro. It is glass with no buttons. I just got rid of it for the 24R Pro which I love for the film which gives the surface texture. Big toss up between the iPad Pro and the 24R Pro for me anyway.
Even though I'm not getting any display tablet anytime soon, I really liked the video. An honest and easy to understand review. Keep it up, man!
My old cintiq 22hd died after 7 years of hard work, can’t afford wacom now, this will work for me?
I had my first cintiq 24HD broken in less than 7 months of use, sent it for repairs to wacom since it was under warranty and I received it broken still so they eventually replaced it. So what I mean is that even bug brands are not immune to problems.
I have been using an XP-PEN 15.6 pro for a year now and the only thing I had to remove was the protective film, but the buttons hold very nice so no problems there either.
I do have a problem while painting at 25% or 33% zoom in clip studio paint so I get these wobbly lines, so It becomes hard to paint trying to see more of the canvas size.
Im tossed between these three brands. If the budget is around $900-1000 which would you recommend?
I have the 15.6 pro and I've beaten it up an unfortunate amount on accident since getting it and it doesn't have one mark on it, it's wild. My chihuahua jumped on my lap with it even x_x
you might have had a defective pen on the other, my 15.6 pro pen got messed up and I got it replaced (my cat launched it across the room into a board.... heh). I do very rarely have it not pick up really light touches on the color wheel, but almost never does it affect strokes/strokes being too light to pick up and coming up too thick instead. I use paintstorm studio and it has a really nice pressure setup, so idk if it has something to do with that or the tablet. It works really nice in krita too though
Man... can't thank you enough for covering the initial force pressure required to register the stroke. Unfortunetely this is the only deal breaker for these kind of tablet, after hours working, this extra force required to draw makes difference. Since them any new chinese tablet that lowers these pressure required to activate? Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!!!!!
Hopefully you do a review for Huion's as well. I'm really curious about these tablets and want to upgrade from my Wacom 21UX.
I’d personally stick to the 21UX unless it’s broken! This wouldn’t be much of an upgrade, it’s too similar. Unless of course if money isn’t a thing...
@@YTartschool It's dying. It takes 5-10 minutes just to turn on sometimes. There's overblown lights on the top left of the screen that burn out the image (not much of an issue since it's kinda covering the file menus on clip studio/photoshop), dead/stuck pixels... And as a zBrush user, the UI is getting super crowded with each update. I also have to use the 22HD's drivers now since Wacom is no longer supporting it properly. I've had this thing for over a decade. It would also just be nicer to be able to use my other 3D modeling software on the same screen for streaming purposes, which also have overcrowded UI issues for 4:3 aspect ratio screens as more and more software just forget about that aspect ratio.
I personally do feel like this would be an upgrade for me, but I've been holding off on these Wacom alternatives hoping they introduce something higher than 1080p and they're finally doing it with these new 24" models.
@@Floreum try Huion 👍😁❤ ..
@@Floreum Yeah in that case, sounds like a pretty good upgrade ;)
@@YTartschool I ended up buying it, and I love it so far. It also is hell of a lot cooler feeling, my old 21UX would get pretty dang hot neat the top.
Hey @MarcBrunet, I wouldn't be surprised if the anti-glare covering is absorbing some of the force when you lightly tap down. I'm curious to see if the problem persists when it is removed.
I tried and it doesn't make any difference. They mentioned to me the film is there to protect the glass from scratches so I'm inclined to leave it on anyways. Better to have a scratched up film than a scratched up glass panel you can't replace. Even better if this was not a concern tho :)
How long ago did you get your 27 QHD Wacom? Did it give you any problems? And do you still have it and use it as of today?
Merci Marc pour le review :P
Candy tier list please.
Looks spiffy. I personally have a huion kamvas pro 16
Huion Kamvas Pro 24 or this XP-pen? I'm sorry, I can't choose. In huion I like glass, but I don't like buttons and ports, and in xp-pen I don't like film coating.
As I understood from the video, the coating on the XP-pen is not very resistant to damage?
Omg your skin is so pretty 😂 not to be creepy but like your skin is flawless omg
Lighting. 😗
I am a senior student at a fine arts high school and I am thinking of buying an XP-Pen 24 drawing tablet to prepare a portfolio for the animation department and to use at university. The only reason why I want it so big is that I want to continue making realistic drawings But is it too big, on the contrary, unusable? Is it of good quality for realistic drawing? Can someone with experience please help?
Listened to this mans voice on so many tutorials it’s almost like we’re friends. 😂
It feels like you know some youtubers very closely from years of watching their videos, weird feeling :D
True! I felt like I know him for a while now hah
And that is what is called a "Parasocial Relationship".
at this rate xppen and huion tablet ( in about 2 years) are gonna be the best ones out here.
When you start to include more expensive bits like 4K panels the price will go up too, it'll be interesting for sure to see how well they're able to price their tablets when they use similar components as Wacom.
Buttons on a display tablet are great
Great review, looks really good for the price.
Except for the tooth feeling of the screen, does the protector film affects image quality, compared to a laminated display?
I'm struggling between the Xp Pen and Huion 24 inches versions, but i heard that Huion Kamvas 24 is maybe not bright enough. Is that true?
I currently have an Xp Pen Artist 15.6 pro with a laminated display. I used to draw with an old (and still awesome) 12wx Wacom Cintiq, so the tooth paper feeling doesn't bother me.
Hi, don't know if you'll read this, but: Would you recommend this 850€ XP Artist 24 Pro over a 700€ refurbished Wacom Cintiq 22HD ? (Knowing that I draw everyday for hours.)
I used Wacom Pro M for 4-5 years and it's great but I think a screen display could help me fasten my animation/lining speed.
Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 doesn't include stand (though it include wacom remote). Surprisingly, Wacom Cintiq 22 include a stand... but doesn't include wacom remote... I don't know what they're thinking...
I think a lot of Wacom Cintiq Pro users don't use a stand (myself included), but an ergotron arm instead since it's a better solution all around. It's certainly the case for a lot of studios too, so they tailor their products to their most profitable audience I guess.
Thanks for sharing the review! ^_^
I’m so stuck between the Huion 24 and this! I actually had the Huion ordered for $1200 (warranty and customs tax plus it’s not on sale like the xp pen rn) and so i actually cancelled my order bc it’s $750 for the xp pen on sale and it’s shipping from US. I’m still stuck between the two and i’m DYING reviews between the two. there are NONE for the huion. if the huion is better with the laminated screen and etched screen i’ll wait until it’s stocked in america
I'm personally thinking of buying the huion. I was about to buy xp pen but that plastic layer is a turn off for me. I am willing to pay a bit extra if it means i get proper sturdy glass.
I'm in the same boat, waiting for more reviews on both to decide which one to buy. I'm not impressed with the non laminated display and antiglare film so far. Probably getting the Huion Pro 24. Gonna wait till more reviews are out :)
I was about to get the Huion one too but the import taxes to usa pushes the price into cinti 22 territory. Since this xp-pen one was on sale i had to get it. It's almost the same thing. Plus huion's pen tech is a springy type like the wacom "stroke nib." This one is a regular nib.
I am considering this option - Huion Kamvas Pro 24. What do you know about this company? And most of all I am wondering how high-quality the display matrix is, will my eyes not get tired? And further. Most laptops now have a resolution of 1920 x 1080 pixels, so when I duplicate the display on a tablet, I will get the maximum this resolution? The tablet has a 2k resolution.
99% the same tablet, either one is good
Awesome review!!! I did in fact picked this up yesterday but there is one thing that is quite a pain and that it's not working with zbrush currently.... idk if I'm doing anything wrong but it works super well with blender, all the express keys work just not with zbrush. Any suggestions you could recommend or did this happen to you as well?
A cheap huion 15.6 is the best deal you can get right now, if you can deal with that size.