@@TheLegoJungle The damage numbers will be a lot easier to process, especially for him since he does a lot of different damage tests and things of that sort
My biggest hope is that the CoO weapons have something new and unique to help them feel "new" and stand out from what we have. If they're just copy-and-paste from y1, it'll be a *big* let down.
"You can't expect vendor refreshes quarterly" that has never been a thing. We haven't had a vendor refresh in over a year. I get that it would be alot of work to update vendor gear every season but is it too much to ask for 1 or 2 vanguard, crucible, gun smith, gambit, items to chase? Maybe once every 2 seasons? At this point, the tower vendors just depress me.
@@opossum_thumbs9944 that's a moronic argument. The planetary vendors have year 1 gear with no mod slots and missing a row of perks. Why would anyone use them over newer weapons? Personally speaking there are several planetary vendor weapons that I would chase if they had random rolls such as Devrims shotgun, simply because I like the way it sounds and feels to use.
Honestly, I kinda like the idea of one drop every 6 months rather than once every 3 months. I keep going through phases of burn out with Destiny due to the FOMO (Fear of missing out). It makes me feel rushed to play and complete things rather than enjoying it at my own pace. The completionist in me demands that I grind all the seasonal objectives before I lose the opportunity but it feels more like im doing it because I have to not because I want to which slowing down releases would help. Instead of a DLC drop every 3 months they maybe just do a larger update along the lines of the solar and arc class updates. Buff/nerf weapons to mix up the meta inbetween seasons.
Aro lux This is pretty much exactly how I feel. But this Season I thought „You know what, screw that“, I won‘t grind Vex Offensive for Undying Seal, I‘m not even going to get Xenophage as long as it still sucks. The last 2-3 weeks I just did the raid 3 times (though not even that consistently) and that‘s pretty much it for my weekly Destiny. Through time, I noticed how my mentality shifted from the obsession of having every single Exotic ( though I actually have 136 out of 139 currently) ,god rolls for weapons I might use one day to just playing what I enjoy. This Season is even probably the first one, where I didn‘t even bother to get all my characters to Max Power.
I think 2 dlc drops a year would just make the burn out phases between dlc longer, at the end of the day wed have the same amount of time burnt out just in 2 batches as opposed to 4. Also having two dlcs a year would mean there would be less story elements covered. If last year we only had forsaken(just with more content) and season if the drifter (again with more content) then wed be missing out on so much story with the black armoury and calus. Again overall we would get the same amount of content with 2 dlcs but each dlc would have twice the amount of content as its twice as big as normal. I just prefer more content on various things even if its smaller
That’s one of those things being a Completionist, you need to squash that thought with games like this. You need to put hundreds of hours to obtain said thing, but you need to take a step back and think “why the hell am I doing this?”. I have started to realize this lately with Destiny and that, I don’t really need to chase after every triumph or fill out my vault with a perfect set of armour for every single activity. I still perform exceptionally with what I already have. Back in D1 I may have chased after every dead ghost, acquired every raid piece and stored it in a vault, etc. But in the end, no one is going to see it, or care about it. It might make me feel somewhat good that I got it, but no one else will care. With certain titles and such, why bother chasing after said title when I want to chase after the one that I think fits me the best. You only have one equipped, it’s not like you have a list going down like The Guardian, Slayer of Oryx, Shadow of Calus, God Killer, etc. sometimes it’s ok to not be a completionist, just chase after the things that you think you mainly want and will use for some time in game. Otherwise it’s just wasting time at that point.
I respectfully disagree. As someone who only plays this game as their sole fixation, I personally like having a new seasonal refresh every 3 months. I would rather have 4 mediocre or average sized seasonal DLCs of content than two big expansions each year, because it means the game’s narrative, activities, and loot are updating more frequently. And honestly, some topics fit the seasonal theme but are way too underdeveloped or boring for a full DLC (looking at you, Season of the Drifter and Black Armory)
Agreed I would like to see them take more time in between drops instead of rushing the release of something “new.” I understand and agree with Datto’a thoughts on expectations but I expect a video game developer to strive to do better than my expectation now a days. I’d be fine waiting 6 mos for a better content drop vendor refresh and so on. Take your time bungie. The hype was high with the trailer then low with the reveal... not sure what they were thinking. Should have had no reveal and just the trailer IMO
I’m not asking for vendor refreshes quarterly, that’s never happened, but I did expect a yearly refresh like they’ve done in the past. I don’t think that’s anywhere near unreasonable. Also I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect content to have the quality of the menagerie. It doesn’t have to be a copy paste activity. Just take parts of what made menagerie good and put them into other things. Namely the player agency when it came to loot. They can take that same idea of doing a specific thing to a certain weapon and add it elsewhere and to new content. Menagerie quality content is what players should expect from bungie no matter what they put into the game. It’s sad to think otherwise.
Morhpocelionate im not saying they should keep rehashing menagerie, but that level of quality should be what they put out. Although I don’t think they’ll stop putting out activities that aren’t the same as menagerie.
Exactly. Its bullshit and honestly I feel like this is the biggest let down in the game. People are not going to be excited to play most of the game because the drops are just ass. We need a vendor refresh and bring back factions d1 style. Thats instant replayability right there.
@@mrdollar2882 hey, the moon weapons were pretty nice, same with the altar of sorrow weapons. you aint wrong about the exotics part though. at least xenophage is getting a buff
@@AnonYmous-bk2sh people are forgetting that we also got like tons of new weapons and armor sets in between forsaken and SK. Lmao how many did we get in between TTK and RoI?
They need to keep doing secret exotic weapon quest, till this day nothing has beaten the whisper of worm quest in terms of how interesting and exciting it was.
@@Maeno34 whisper was better, nothing in this game beats the feeling of creeping through that mission. it feels bigger than anything else in the game, just jumping through this mysterious set of ruins down to the heart of the planet. goddamn that mission is some of my favorite moments in gaming ever, when you hear the "you shall drift" i get goddamn goosebumps every time. outbreak was great, but imo its not as great. edit: now i'm thinking about that massive green room halfway through and the peaceful synth soundtrack, doing the last few wall jumps when you are near the ceiling literally give me vertigo. so good.
Here's what I'm frustrated with. I have spent about 200 dollars on this game by now. Developers like CD project red pump out huge expansions for the same price as a season. All I keep hearing is how incredibly demanding their job is and how they need more cash from Eververse. If that company is full of people who hate their job they should look around for fresh talent. Coins sure ain't a problem here.
@@micca903 Bungie got 300 million dollars this year from eververse well above that, and bungie were to pay activsion back 500 million over the span of 10 years. So if the figure stayed the same for 10 years that be over 3 billion dollars and more than 6 times as much as they needed to pay back. So no bungie really do not need more money from eververse they may want more but they do not need it.
micca903 CDPR also takes YEARS to produce that content. You and the rest of the Destiny community expect that type of content every 3 months from Bungie. It’s completely unrealistic. Hope you don’t break your ass when you eventually crash back down to the real world.
except, he lets them off the hook a little bit. No one is expecting all that shit every season, but what people do expect is for some creativity. The new seasonal activity is the same thing as menagerie, which is almost the same thing as Vex Offensive. If we are going to play essentially the same activity each season, why even make new seasons at all.
@@Morhpocelionate spend any time on Reddit or b.net? Community actually does expect all of that. They could get the most creative event we've ever seen but when the go through it in 2 weeks, the incessant complaining of "well, guess I'm done" and "where's all the content?" Pepper the boards. I've seen it for 5 years now. Y'all have to remember, after a major release a SMALL team is sectioned off to do the quarterly updates. There is literally only so much you can do. If the lack of brand new things is such a detractor, go play something else. Well never be able to get Bungie to do more unless we pay more and thus they can hire more artists and engineers. It's basic math, basic economics, basic company running stuff. We pay almost nothing for the content. $10 every 3 months is an absolute joke. I'd be down to pay double if it meant my content was doubled but I doubt the majority would agree to this.
@@Morhpocelionate Not only that but then the lold excuse of starbucks. all while they laugh to the bank with all those shadowkeep sales and eververse money. Hopefully every season won't be a reskin and they can do more interesting bosses than tons of immunity and 1-2 hit stomps that boop you across the map. the loot better be reaal good.
@@cheifzero I mean, he's not wrong about the Starbucks thing. Just skip it once, maybe twice, and you'll have enough money. It really isnt expensive. At all. But I am curious, what would you like to see them add that is reasonable for $10.
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@Wow so Edgy I disagree, I don't follow or watch any of the update stuff, TWAB, blog posts, reddit or anything else on the game and every time houndish uploads I see new info that I think it's relevant and I didn't know before at all. I like it because he will break down every single bit of info, leaks or dev talk from everywhere else even if it's very small so you're completely up to date. It's nice for people like me who don't wanna be left in the dark about the state of the game but also would rather watch a single dude's content rather than be on 10 other different types of media digging for info and leaks. I don't think it's bad at all and I will assume you think it's not worth making news content on the game unless there's a big content breakdown to do like today's reveal stream. Saying he's horrible is just wrong, his videos are all useful and informative, and this is coming from someone who absolutely despises clickbait trash content with no substance
@@Bone-Owner it kinda pisses me off, season themed loot should be enable through gameplay. Eververse should be full of wacky loot. Or loot that doesnt tie on directly to the current season.
@@mortenlarsen7220 It gets boring constantly reusing the same armor over and over and over though. If you get some new cool gear, youll be like: Well. Doesnt look as good or this has special stuff but its not as good as my old stats. Having new mods or perks on new armor gives a reason to use that armor or try to grind for it bc you want a cool build
@@yeheed6607 And thats why we can put ornaments on our gear. They could have done that to pre shadowkeep armor aswell, there was no need for scam 2.0 to be a thing. Those stats have done nothing to shake up anything at all, all we do now if look at stats and energy and delete if its not what we want, where as before we looked at the rolls of the armor. Which also was better on exotics rather than this system As for perks yea there have been no new perks sooooooo that just makes it boring doesnt it? And leaves the new weapons pointless.
One thing; every season leaves loose ends in their story, then the next season just starts anew story. We got a lot of loose ends, one of them; I'm still curious about prince elden. Maybe a season that solely ties up some loose ends?
@@Benny_B0O0 Savathun will probably be the focus of future Hive stuff (or the other sister first). If it ends up being about Oryx, it just means Savathun will be manipulating us to kill her dad... again...
Wasn't expecting quarterly vendor refreshes but we haven't had a vendor refresh in over a YEAR. Haven't had factions in 2 years. STILL don't have much of a reason to do strikes.......
Okay but at the same time every time I see a warlock suspended in the air with nowhere to go but down, you almost have to try to miss. I main top tree now, and though you might be able to catch people off guard now because there's literally nobody playing it, after the update everyone is gonna try it, and everyone will be on the lookout for it. It's much harder to snipe while suspended, and much more vulnerable.
Destiny is going to move back into that "play every now and then category" for me. I'll still enjoy playing, just not going to put in the same time I once did. There are so many games to play I would be foolish to spend half my play time on one game.
electriclott destiny is now in the ‘only read up on the lore and never actually play the game‘ category for me now lmao What we want: cool secret exotic quests, new raids, new enemy types, new areas with secrets, more in depth and involved endgame experiences What we don’t want: more boring easy hoard modes I’d be willing to pay 5x the amount of a season pass and wait way longer for way higher quality content updates that include stuff thatd actually revitalise my interest in destiny. I have no problem with 10 dollars but it could be free for all I care, it still seems so boring and shallow, I’m not coming back for sundial lmao
@@Sforz-tarifa the only people that want new raids are the people who actually raid which is less than 10% of the of the community..... why do people keep using "new raids" as some sort of point when we all have the numbers on how little raid activities are actually engaged in.
iPsyop pulling stats out of ur ass to make a point! The number is higher than that and even then this game is free to play and will count every single new light player that logs on for an hour to try destiny and never plays again.
@@Sforz-tarifa how about instead of raids (which a small part if the community do) why not more dungeons. Since they're pretty forgiving and more people will engage with that
I wish they'd go back to the D1 style of drops in the sense that they slow down releases and give more content, like what Datto said about every 6 months we get a drop instead of 3. These days I only hop on one day every week or two instead of playing for weeks on end like in D1, but then again, I never even stopped playing D1 during its lifespan due to great/fun grinds like strike specific loot with the vanguard streak system and skeleton keys as a good example, I wasn't spammed with drops but I didn't feel like my time was wasted. (also D1 strikes were a lot more fun)
With D1 you had almost nothing inbetween the content drops though, I couldnt imagine this days going from Foresaken to Shadowkeep with just the base content, that's the exact reason these seasons exist, to give you something new to do every 3 months until the next expansion. I dont think every player enjoyed strikes over and over as much as you did.
Well, I wish They would do that, If that means They wouldnt only focus on seasons. We need monthly updates. We shouldnt wait for a new season for recluse nerf and stuff like that. We need balance and bug fixes every month.
@@hamokamo as I said I personally never got bored of D1 even during the content droughts, because we had things like trials, great strike grinds, good exotic grind, etc.
I dont get why everyone's so worried about the hunter knife, titans already have insurmountable and shoulder charge and warlocks already have contraverse hold and handheld so what's the big whoop
Because the knife will keep refreshing on those 1-hit kills, and with exotic that gives them 2 knife charges they can even miss 1 and still wipe your team.
At the end of the day, it is still a commercial product, so I'd always be of the opinion that people *shouldn't* lower their expectations - they should simply look elsewhere for someone or something that satisfies their expectations/standards. If Bungie can't keep up a certain level of quality or quantity that people expect from them, well.... They *chose* to strike out on their own; they *chose* to split up their workforce between atleast 3 different, potentially large, projects (D2 life support, the inevitable D3 & whatever rumoured unnamed project they're working on); and if the consequences of that include players saying "welp, guess me & my money are moving on to greener pastures", then that's just the way it goes.
Khain Deinonycus it becomes a problem when all you want is more content and don’t want to look elsewhere you feel? Some niggas just wanna play destiny for some reason
D3 should be the final destiny game and should be built as a full on mmo with the plan to support it for many many years. Sequels are meh at this point.
That is true but at the same time you paid 10$ for the season which i do feel like it's a cheap price for what content we might be getting. A small story, an activity, a few dozen hours for the season pass, more weapon to use. Compare to what i could spend that 10$ on instead i feel it's worth it. I'm exaggerating but if you pay 10$ and expect a forsaken size expension then you should in fact lower your expectation
While I get what you're saying, that type of thinking seems pretty bad way to go about things. They said that they can't keep up which makes sense when doing a live service game by yourself with a limited bandwidth engine.
If you payed attention to the Shadowkeep Vidoc, you would realize that they will. The last season of the year will tie it all together. If you read the lore that's been coming out, you can see that this is more than just "Oh boy Saint XIV is back" and more of "crap, us killing the Undying Mind, means that in the current future, the City will be annihilated in a few years." Theres alot going on right now. The Cabal are seeking to alter time in the infinite forest. The infinite forest is connected to the Vex. The Vex worship the Darkness. The Darkness is creating the nightmares. Dont sau Bungie can't finish a story. They haven't even tried to finish the story yet. This DLC is literally still dealing with fallout from the Red War. The Darkness is the first glimpse we've had at an idea of an ending for Destiny. But this is still early on. We still have years of content before its over. Destiny is not comprised of several short stories. Each expansion is a new chapter to the story. If you've ever read a book, you dont expect each new problem to be resolved by the end of the chapter, that's called bad writing.
strange : I saw 14 million possibilities Stark: How many did we win Strange: Just one Bungie: Sounds like a good destiny 2 storyline As Bungie: Saint 14 is coming back
I can't wait to make a build around top-tree Dawnblade. I've always wanted to make a build centered around Wings of Sacred Dawn just because it looked so cool, and now I'll be able to next week.
I get that we should temper expectations and all but, come on, Bungie is a 600-person studio, I'm not saying it's easy to make games or that the devs should be overworked, but I feel like a "good" expansion with a raid, a new activity, some new weapons, armor, etc. once every 6 months would not be *that much* to ask if they did a 6 month release schedule. I'd be willing to pay 20 bucks and wait a few extra months for a significantly better content drop.
@@crackonacid0168 But that right there is the crux of the issue. How much faith can we have in a company that says "We don't have the resources to support the game like we used to anymore, therefore Eververse", and with the very next breath says "We have a significant number of staff working on other projects (i.e. not Destiny)"?
Id be fine with paying 20 as well but theyd have to start refreshing vendors and shit like that. Their killing the game by making it so redundant to play.
purple Shadow what you said at the end is exactly the big point: if we want a bigger expansion then that’s gonna take some time, therefore we’re gonna have to wait a little while...but if you want a constant flow of content then yes it will take less time, but it won’t be as much content... So the question becomes does the community have the patience for what it really wants? Because unfortunately that’s the reality of game development, we as consumers can’t pick and choose how much content we want in a certain timeframe.... So there’s only two options: would the community rather wait more time, but get a lot more content, or would they rather wait less time, but as the cost of getting less content?
Is it just me or does anyone just not feel the hype anymore like they used to before “The Dark Below” or HOW, I just don’t feel it anymore, infact I was more hyped for The April Update back in TTK. We need something worth engaging in not this constant horde mode bs man 😔
I do like how you brought up the expectation for content. Content takes resources, time, teamwork, and dedication so super high expectations after their recent decisions would be unfair. Thanks for the content Datto👌🏾
Endless hoard mode would definitely pique my interest more than reloading the same map over and over and over. If Bungie wants me to grind the same map for hours in a single session, I'm good with that, but why waste time reloading and resetting the map when they could have just spawned an endless stream of vex that gradually gets more difficult, pausing the action occasionally to ask me if I want to keep going or drop to orbit. Seems like a great idea. I know, Warframe did it, but they didn't do it first. That was Halo ODST, a BUNGIE game. Why did they not do this in Destiny yet? What are they saving it for? In Reach, hoard mode was literally all I did after finishing the campaign. I've played 200+ waves at a time of nothing but adds in Warframe. I want to do that in Destiny. ...whatever Bungie does with this season, the loot needs to be worth the grind, or I'll feel like I'm wasting my time and do something else... Like go outside.
Problem with that is they are probably saving it for a season around Xivu Arath since that type stuff is really her signature thing and she is the only one with enough powercin numbers to pull that off
@@SuperSigite I don't see how they could feasibly do it. The entire game is built to be a cohesive unit, no planet has ever featured all enemy types, and no one has really fit the mold before D2 as a vendor for this event. This also has a problem contextually; if this is a hoard mode that is endless, how does your guardian get out alive from a lore perspective? Nightfalls reset things if you all die, so technically its not really a problem for a lore perspective, but an endless hoard mode would be about going until you couldn't anymore, which likely means you and your fireteam died, so how do they get out when they are faced with enemies that literally want you perma-dead? Also i think you are inflating that number a bit, we only really started hearing about specifically a hoard style mode very recently. The argument you could put forward is Calus; known collector different species and strangeness, and enjoyer of arena combat, could fit this mold. He could establish it on the leviathan, build a whole arena, maybe put in some raid-lite functions for fun, make it an extension of the menagerie, as a menagerie is defined as a "collection of exotic animals", which perfectly fits the concept of hoard mode featuring every enemy type. Calus has even displayed the ability to teleport guardians out of the path of danger, like being stuck in the mouth of the Leviathan in eater of worlds. The problem is... we just got a content drop from Calus 6 months ago, and this would probably dry him out a bit if he were to so quickly return. not to mention, this would be like the 6th piece of endgame content we got from Calus? They are already testing the limit of how completely charming Calus as a character and Darin DePaul as a voice actor is, treasures as they both are.
No thought's on how the artifacts funnel game play towards specific weapons for end game activities, pulling us away from the "Play how you want" mentality??
Pure well I hope you didn’t mean it would be back next season, cause they just said it’s not and they said “ trials is on hiatus Indefinitely and they’ll be sure to tell us they they have planes to bring it back” sooo sorry bro
I feel like if they just redid all vendors all planetary vendors all tower vendors and just a ton of nee armor and weapons would be way better than some new 6 man activity that will be fun for the first at most 5 times but after than noone will play again. Give us armor that we can use and enjoy for months and seasons to come.
The amount of rewards, the u our loot pools for activities, vendor inventories. The easiest thing to get people more engaged without having to make activities and such. I dont know why they don't just make a ton of weapons and armor. We have lots of good activities to choose from, the loot system is a bigger priority...agreed.
Datto said it best on his stream "if we get new armor sets, thats just more stuff to dismantle in the end". New gear is fine for one day then its just like every other piece of gear. If it doesn't have good stat rolls then you trash it. Instead of armor sets Id rather them make a glamour/transmog system, so we can turn pieces of gear into ornaments.
Realistically how long is that gonna keep you entertained for ? This is exactly why bungie are the devs and not the fans. We already get enough weapons an armour with seasons that we dont use, we dont need a vendor refresh.
@Traktor Oil Moders do not have to give a sh*t if guns work or completely break the game. So yeah it would be much easier for them to overhaul. You could build a car alot faster if you did not care if it started or blew up with you in it after you were done.
I bet that trials is going to get introduced this season and it will be a shocker, clues: Osiris plays big roll this season meaning they probably had him record some pvp lines of dialogue, we hear saint 14 yell something you’d expect Shaxx to yell, and finally there are some strange new guns that looks little too unique
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Vendors need to be rethought completely in my view. They should have a rotating selection of decently rolled weapons for players to buy with tokens or even materials/glimmer. Make playing more casually for some decent guns an alternative to the grind, grind, grind that everything requires now. I barely log in any more because I just burned out.
Why does bungie continue to waste time developing these new spaces and boss encounters with unique mechanics for horde modes that will go away in a couple months, doesnt seem like a good development system to me, when they say that us buying microtansactions funds whisper and outbreak style missions, where are more of those, they had to cut back on stuff because of team reduction, can the team that exists only make minor changes and horde modes? Id like to go back to yearly updates, I believe they burdened themselves with this schedule, time gate a years worth instead of making "big" updates every season I also hope that grinding weapon kills in the vex offensive type triumphs that are required for the seasonal title dont return because they are unnecessary and irritating to have to fight for your kills in a time limited 6 player mode where theres a set amount of adds that you must get final blows and even multikills, everything else related to the seasonal title was fine except for those and I hope theyve heard this complaint before and agree and dont do it for this next season, I already have to fight for kills in strikes with the ritual and pinnacle quests every season, I dont want to do it in each horde mode too, then the seasons become a looming fight for kills annoyance that you must deal with if youre a completionist like me
@Clockwork Man kinda like how you could turn matchmaking off for the haunted forest, yea bungie add a firewalled version of your horde modes if i have to farm kills for the triumphs please
Your comment almost makes it sound like you found the Vex offensive weapon objectives more annoying than the ritual weapons. I can't agree with that AT ALL. Fuck Randy and all his kitchen utensils, throwing or otherwise.
One of the brief things you missed is that class ability cooldowns now tie to a stat for each class, as mentioned when a dev was highlighting a stat icon for a sec. Hunters mobility etc.
Holy crap... Someone who has realistic expectations... In 2019 no less... Christmas miracles DO happen! In all seriousness. I can't believe how everyone thinks they should get a new raid, new dungeon, a new event, new exotics, new armor, new pvp maps, new iron banner stuff, trials of Osiris back and more, every 3 months, for the price of a fucking large coffee at Starbucks... This may sound harsh, but how poor are gamers...?
Vathone V I was just expecting trials back. Especially since they wanted to have a “renewed” focus on PvP. Which the game mode is already in the game and the engine hasn’t changed meaning they can copy paste it from D1. All they’d need to do is design new gear and weapons and reskin them for the flawless variants. Adding more loot to go for in PvP which is much needed.
@@Bone-Owner It was their choice to go free to play. Could have easily made it a cheap subscription based system to have a steady stream of money coming in like FF14, or at least kept it the same as year 1 and 2.
12:03 I love how the players focus is clearly on the sundial and Osiris and nothing else, And I’m just sitting here wondering about that cool Titan Emote on the left
I agree with all of the things you were saying about expectations but I don’t think Bungie realizes what’s going to make the player base happy the don’t need to make a whole new 6 man activity that we’re gonna mindlessly blow through just to give us new weapons instead update the menagerie or escalation protocol or the forges and give us a raid or a raid lair or a dungeon and make all of the lighthouse weapons able to be randomly rolled (Which I think they did) point is the seasonal activity reskin is going to get old there’s only so many ways you can “forge new weapons” instead give us the content we want to see and revamp old activities or add a prestige garden of salvation but they’re time is wasted making a whole new activity that’s around for 3 months just to give us 7 new weapons
The one shot throwing knife shouldn’t be anything to worry about seeing how titans and warlocks basically have a one shot ability on almost all their subclasses. You are correct on the fact that we shouldn’t hold high expectations on activities that bungie didn’t mention.
Mo Kai yes but they have other one hit melee options as so do titans. Hunters literally have one now. Until we see gameplay of it. No one should really worry about it. My guess is the wind up is going to be extra slow. Leaving hunters open to attacks. So no i don’t think its anything to worry about until we see how it works.
You leave a titan unsupervised for 10 GODDAMN MINUTES an' they go an' drink questionable lookin' fluids from the corpse of a murder-bot, says it tastes salty, then up and fuckin' dies.
The Eververse is fine. The game is F2P, and if you want to support the company do it. Hell, I really haven't seen anything to spend silver on that worth wild.
Do you want want even less content? No? Then shut the fuck up about Eververse. Bungie is now 100% independent and they need to make money however they can. Selling cosmetics is the best thing to do especially since the game is also f2p
Really appreciate your comment about to setting your expectations based on the size of the studio now and focusing on not running their developers into the ground. Thank you for that.
I think a really good horde mode idea would be a "defend the tower" type activity, where differing rotating classes of enemies attack the tower each week and you have to defend. One week fallen, cabal the next week etc.
One charged with light mod buffs weapon damage, and I think Its a HUGE buff, because after 1 kill You lose It and Its not too easy to get charged of light, well with sniper precision It is quite easy, but They can be used just as fast as gained. Whats important to look at is that You lose the weapon damage, If You kill and so there might be no timer on the damage buff You get from It, This could potentionally be very op for bosses.
What I heard when you talked about the subclass changes: Hunters: big changes Titans: big changes Warlocks: Small changes and nerfs but small buffs and Bungie still not talking about the Warlock melee being slower than other classes. Working as intended I guess. I love my main getting no love for another 3 months while both other classes get big changes.
I think if they can’t deliver the same amount of content like last year which I don’t expect. Then they need to reduce the price, based on the price comparison of this year and last year, it’s not even comparable in the levels of content.
What we want: cool secret exotic quests, new raids, new enemy types, new areas with secrets, more in depth and involved endgame experiences What we don’t want: more boring easy hoard modes I’d be willing to pay 5x the amount of a season pass and wait way longer for way higher quality content updates that include stuff thatd actually revitalise my interest in destiny. I have no problem with 10 dollars but it could be free for all I care, it still seems so boring and shallow, I’m not coming back for sundial lmao
The Courteeners no one is really gonna miss you my friend, bungie stated why they wont be able to do all the things that you just said. The staff at bungie are humans they sleep, eat, and have lives. Honestly this looks great for 10 dolars and I’d rather have this than a four month dry spell just to have a big content drop. If you do decide to leave well good riddance, you weren’t a real bungie supporter anyways.
Alex De moya ????????????????????????????? I didn’t expect anyone to miss me, I mostly play solo outside of lfg raids People can, and have, made amazing, timeless, deep, involved and innovated game experiences with a fraction of the time, money and team that Bungie has. There is no excuse. There are so many people out there with great ideas who’ll never get to put them in fruition because they haven’t been given the support and money and foundation that a team like Bungie has. They have so much at their disposal that a lot of other gaming companies outright don’t have. And wdym ‘not a real Bungie supporter’??? Idk any of them personally. I’m not friends with anyone at Bungie. So yeah I guess I’m not a real supporter because I don’t praise every disappointing content release. Everyone has a job, lives, has to eat, things to do. And for a lot of people destiny is their one escape and relief from all that, which is why it’s so disheartening that it’s at this current low quality when it has been so much better before. You seem like a blind fan, which is fine if you genuinely believe they can do better with support like w/e, but there are so many games out there doing what Bungie is doing but 1000x better and with even less of the apparent low resources they have. I’d much rather put support and money into those people than hear sob stories about creators of what was once the most expensive and best selling property whine about that they have no money.
@@NoodleXXII I do. His arguments have substance unlike yours. You just stop listening and go "La la la la la la". He didn't insult you. He just told you his opinions and feelings about this game and you just told him to fuck of.
The Courteeners well im sorry to tell you and no im not a blind fan I just know when they someone does something right. You say there are games that do what bungie does but 1000x times better? Question where’s that amazing game you’re talking about I would honestly be very interested to see this masterpiece you speak of because from what I’m seeing Destiny is and has been at the top for mmorpgs for almost all it’s lifespan if that weren’t true it would’ve flopped like Anthem. No matter how you see it there’s a limit to what you can do with certain resources and what you’re asking is completely impossible for 10 dollars a piece. The story telling is way more consistent and in the long run it’s the same amount content you’re just someone who likes to nitpick every little detail there is about the game. You say that everyone has a life? Yeah that’s true but theirs has the same value as everyone else’s, they aren’t superhuman how you make them out to be. You buy this game to play, they spend many hours a day making the game for people and I don’t know if you noticed bungie is now a self publishing company so no they don’t have nearly as many resources as what they used to have. Please don’t twist my words you obviously don’t need to know anybody to support them if that were the case nobody would have a favorite of anything like basketball teams. Up until now they have made huge strides from the beginning of the game only Listening to us fans, not only that they made the game free to play, honestly nobody cares whether you believe they have the man power or resources or not to make stupid amounts of content like you’re implying they should. Again I reiterate what you’re asking for is implausible and not the best from a strategic standpoint either because there would have a humongous dry spell and then you would most likely say the same thing “bungie doesnt push out any consistent content I won’t play while the game is like this ill only play when some new content comes out”. Considering how you formulated your argument by definition it’s invalid because you ask a insane amount of requests and hide it behind ohh everyone else has life too so they must do a crazy amount of content to please me sort of deal. And fine I apologize for being so aggressive but I still hold my ground on my point.
Imagine one day bungie runs out of ideas and make a battle royale mode that takes place on the destinations (edz, mars, moon, etc). Im not saying thats what I want to happen, it’s something that I think every company has considered doing since when fortnite was at its peak.
I've been maining top tree dawnblade for anything not too critical since it exists because i just think it's the most fun (despite not being the best). I am SO HYPED to have it buffed up.
Throwing Knife reset on precision kill is fine, I run around on top tree striker when I get tired of getting melee'd by titan,only using shoulder charge to kill with insta-reset. It's roughly 30 kills every game, even in Iron Banner.
Datto’s thoughts are spot on! It’s 10 dollars plus there are the Seasonal events. As a semi above casual player this works just fine but I can see a hardcore player/streamer who plays daily also content creators worries. I for one can’t complain at all this gives me time to complete things I haven’t completed and there are a lot in the same place. If you run out of stuff to do, there are tons of guardians who can use your skills and assistance (I still don’t have whisper or outbreak lol)
JSTEV we are also getting armor sets and possibly weapons for the dawning and crimson days, which is totally free, really like that they haven’t quit on our holiday events
Thank you Datto ! It feels so good to hear a constructive analysis of what this new season will probably be and why it won't meet some people's expectations. Many youtubers (especially from where I live in Europe) just keep complaining about the so-called lack of content/new raid/unbalanced PVP, while forgetting that Bungie is now on their own
I wonder if the holding back of trials has something to do with eververse. As in its a lot of cosmetics for bungie to make that they wouldn't be able to tie around an entire season but also its not small enough for them to include in a season. (Bungie can't profit from trials cosmetics because the community would have a fit about it).
You might have a point but at the same time. Looking at some of the situation in pvp itself, they might just feel it is a bad call to bring it back. I mean the amount of shotguns/fusion rifles/any other one shot weapon is immense and it would make trials almost too easy.
That does make a lot of sense. Plus, making a PvP activity in a Season wouldn't be the right move because people mainly plays PvE. They would have to see how people play this Season and determine whether or not to bring it back with the current sandbox. Or it maybe due to the Artifact Seasonal with Light Level Advantages. Idk. I'm not bothered by Trials. Never liked it.
One shot throwing knife that u can get over and over again if u can hit the head... while Titian has a helmet that gives them their one shot melee over and over for just punching them
@@Yung6Pack To get to that one lost sector or traverse that one public event (ok, ok it is the biggest public event in the game, which is cool the first time, but just annoying when you're on the grind). Mercury is about as big as one of the bigger areas in EDZ, and that's pathetic. Also some of the worst designed daily bounties in the game.
no since saint died in the forest and cayde did not. also saint is not around forever, we give him perfect paradox and then he goes and becomes a hero while using it
I think this season looks cool. Quarterly seasons feel like nice quick refreshes, I'm not expecting huge updates. Either we get a year 4 or D3 or who knows what. Until then, I'm happy to play these new updates for 2 months or so then take a break until the next one
Think im pretty much done with destiny after all this time. I just dont see myself playing this content for three whole months and dont have anything to grind out. Hopefully the next annual drop will be worth returning for
Honestly, if they manage to do 3 content drops with the level of content dawn looks to have, with a raid in the middle one, I think that's very reasonable
“skip a trip to starbucks” people really act like $10 is more than it is. for $10 this amount of content makes sense. the problem is something common with communities, content hunger. we just have an insatiable hunger for good content and want it constantly. not that we shouldn’t want more content, i think our playerbase as a whole just needs to realize that we won’t always have huge dlcs to feed off of.
My main concern isn't about the money. It's about "Is this enough content for me to continue to play throughout the season?", and if the answer is No, then the obvious thing to do would be don't play Destiny this season. Yet FOMO and time limited things like titles really makes me not want to stop playing because of it.
Jake Musser yeah my concern is in that regard too. fortunately i don’t plan to play destiny as my main focus for this season, just enough to get what i want. after the burnout from the ritual weapons for the undying title i’m done with seasonal titles, at least til july.
I would happily pay more money for more content. This is one of a few games that I actually enjoy playing. I would gladly pay for overpriced content if it meant expanding the dev team and getting more content.
you said they never mentioned anything about trials and i think i remember them mentioning trials in one of their twabs before shadowkeep like ''trials of the NINE is not coming back'' hinting in trials returning so the expectation and hype for trials are not pulled from thin air.
“skip a trip to starbucks and you got it” honestly the most real thing I’ve heard. People complain so much about not having content but c’mon all this for 10 bucks sounds like a deal to me.
The real question is - Is destiny going to better as a result of the split with Activision? Is this different from what we are used to? Can they deliver a taken king or forsaken expansion on their own? The biggest reveal will be September 2020.
@@Drake00000010 where are you getting your facts from lol you can have all the mobility you'd like it wong matter if you get one shot by a titan or get a hand held nova bomb tossed at you by a warlock. Both those classes has the most broken roaming supers and one of them still has the most broken meta exotic helmet in the game. Both of which require no skill at all.
Datto taking about the slight worries with gunslingers throwing knife in that you can get it quickly as if insurmountable skullfort doesn't give infinte titan shoulder charges
Bungie should put together a super high quality horde mode game thing. Create turrets, block paths to make chokepoints, spawn minions. Then seasonal PvE can have new maps, new modifiers, new twists and styles on it. Every season thus adds a layer on the cake, not rebuilding the cake from the ground up. Could work.
Honestly, I like the focus on smaller updates in seasons. Maybe I am getting old (most likely), but I just can't play a single game nonstop anymore. I like that I can start a season, play it intensively for 14 days or a month and then ramp down my playtime over the next two months until the next season drops. Time to play other games or focus on irl stuff.
Honestly I’m feeling a little underwhelmed. There needs to be a vendor weapon reset, or at the very least more guns to chase. I’ll still be hopeful for the future, though.
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"They have commas on the damage numbers..." and whatever sound Datto made after that. -Datto 2019
What does he mean by pointing that out?
@@TheLegoJungle The damage numbers will be a lot easier to process, especially for him since he does a lot of different damage tests and things of that sort
That was the sound of him nutting at optimal DPS numbers
"oh I am very aroused right now"
@@n7hevy32 He literally achieved touchless orgasm
I can already see Datto returning to his Go Figure because of the mods
*Daddo
Indeed
Forcer my blast furnace is ready
Go Figure for life!
Kyro oh damn. Okay right side of wrong then. Or whichever one is the pulse. But when I’m using divinity, you better believe blast furnace is on.
My biggest hope is that the CoO weapons have something new and unique to help them feel "new" and stand out from what we have. If they're just copy-and-paste from y1, it'll be a *big* let down.
sort of like how the EP weapons intrinsically had seraph rounds
It's gonna be a re-reskin
I mean, they’ll now have random rolls
@@87fbf and without leaves!
They’ll just have random rolls. I wouldn’t expect more than that. Just looking to be let down if you expect more than a bare minimum effort.
"You can't expect vendor refreshes quarterly"
that has never been a thing. We haven't had a vendor refresh in over a year. I get that it would be alot of work to update vendor gear every season but is it too much to ask for 1 or 2 vanguard, crucible, gun smith, gambit, items to chase? Maybe once every 2 seasons? At this point, the tower vendors just depress me.
How many of the new weapons would you use? 1 maybe 2. There is no purpose in them making new guns all the time if no one uses them.
Jon AmRhein bro that’s not true at all, persuader, better devils, wishbringer, and service revolvers are guns I use very frequently
@@christianwaters3437 yeah, 4 out of like, idk 30 weapons, probably even more than that
@@christianwaters3437 That's 5 guns out of EVERY planetary vendor in the game. That is not a good ratio.
@@opossum_thumbs9944 that's a moronic argument. The planetary vendors have year 1 gear with no mod slots and missing a row of perks. Why would anyone use them over newer weapons?
Personally speaking there are several planetary vendor weapons that I would chase if they had random rolls such as Devrims shotgun, simply because I like the way it sounds and feels to use.
Honestly, I kinda like the idea of one drop every 6 months rather than once every 3 months. I keep going through phases of burn out with Destiny due to the FOMO (Fear of missing out). It makes me feel rushed to play and complete things rather than enjoying it at my own pace.
The completionist in me demands that I grind all the seasonal objectives before I lose the opportunity but it feels more like im doing it because I have to not because I want to which slowing down releases would help.
Instead of a DLC drop every 3 months they maybe just do a larger update along the lines of the solar and arc class updates. Buff/nerf weapons to mix up the meta inbetween seasons.
Aro lux This is pretty much exactly how I feel.
But this Season I thought „You know what, screw that“, I won‘t grind Vex Offensive for Undying Seal, I‘m not even going to get Xenophage as long as it still sucks. The last 2-3 weeks I just did the raid 3 times (though not even that consistently) and that‘s pretty much it for my weekly Destiny.
Through time, I noticed how my mentality shifted from the obsession of having every single Exotic ( though I actually have 136 out of 139 currently) ,god rolls for weapons I might use one day to just playing what I enjoy.
This Season is even probably the first one, where I didn‘t even bother to get all my characters to Max Power.
I think 2 dlc drops a year would just make the burn out phases between dlc longer, at the end of the day wed have the same amount of time burnt out just in 2 batches as opposed to 4.
Also having two dlcs a year would mean there would be less story elements covered. If last year we only had forsaken(just with more content) and season if the drifter (again with more content) then wed be missing out on so much story with the black armoury and calus.
Again overall we would get the same amount of content with 2 dlcs but each dlc would have twice the amount of content as its twice as big as normal. I just prefer more content on various things even if its smaller
That’s one of those things being a Completionist, you need to squash that thought with games like this. You need to put hundreds of hours to obtain said thing, but you need to take a step back and think “why the hell am I doing this?”. I have started to realize this lately with Destiny and that, I don’t really need to chase after every triumph or fill out my vault with a perfect set of armour for every single activity. I still perform exceptionally with what I already have.
Back in D1 I may have chased after every dead ghost, acquired every raid piece and stored it in a vault, etc. But in the end, no one is going to see it, or care about it. It might make me feel somewhat good that I got it, but no one else will care.
With certain titles and such, why bother chasing after said title when I want to chase after the one that I think fits me the best. You only have one equipped, it’s not like you have a list going down like The Guardian, Slayer of Oryx, Shadow of Calus, God Killer, etc. sometimes it’s ok to not be a completionist, just chase after the things that you think you mainly want and will use for some time in game. Otherwise it’s just wasting time at that point.
I respectfully disagree. As someone who only plays this game as their sole fixation, I personally like having a new seasonal refresh every 3 months. I would rather have 4 mediocre or average sized seasonal DLCs of content than two big expansions each year, because it means the game’s narrative, activities, and loot are updating more frequently. And honestly, some topics fit the seasonal theme but are way too underdeveloped or boring for a full DLC (looking at you, Season of the Drifter and Black Armory)
Agreed I would like to see them take more time in between drops instead of rushing the release of something “new.” I understand and agree with Datto’a thoughts on expectations but I expect a video game developer to strive to do better than my expectation now a days. I’d be fine waiting 6 mos for a better content drop vendor refresh and so on. Take your time bungie. The hype was high with the trailer then low with the reveal... not sure what they were thinking. Should have had no reveal and just the trailer IMO
I’m not asking for vendor refreshes quarterly, that’s never happened, but I did expect a yearly refresh like they’ve done in the past. I don’t think that’s anywhere near unreasonable.
Also I don’t think it’s unreasonable to expect content to have the quality of the menagerie. It doesn’t have to be a copy paste activity. Just take parts of what made menagerie good and put them into other things. Namely the player agency when it came to loot. They can take that same idea of doing a specific thing to a certain weapon and add it elsewhere and to new content.
Menagerie quality content is what players should expect from bungie no matter what they put into the game. It’s sad to think otherwise.
I think they shouldn't keep rehashing the same activity. I already played the menagerie, let's get something new.
Morhpocelionate im not saying they should keep rehashing menagerie, but that level of quality should be what they put out. Although I don’t think they’ll stop putting out activities that aren’t the same as menagerie.
Shadowkeep, which is a yearly big expansion didn’t even have a vendor refresh either tho
Exactly. Its bullshit and honestly I feel like this is the biggest let down in the game. People are not going to be excited to play most of the game because the drops are just ass. We need a vendor refresh and bring back factions d1 style. Thats instant replayability right there.
Shadowkeep is a trash in terms of loot and exotics.
@@mrdollar2882 hey, the moon weapons were pretty nice, same with the altar of sorrow weapons. you aint wrong about the exotics part though. at least xenophage is getting a buff
@@AnonYmous-bk2sh people are forgetting that we also got like tons of new weapons and armor sets in between forsaken and SK. Lmao how many did we get in between TTK and RoI?
@@tristankrammel5041 Yeah cause we paid for them.
They need to keep doing secret exotic weapon quest, till this day nothing has beaten the whisper of worm quest in terms of how interesting and exciting it was.
Outbreak was jist as good imo. One or two of those a year would be awesome.
@@corylyonsmusic oh completely but whisper was a little bit better imo cause it was so random and out of nowhere
Biggest problem is that they can't hide these things from data miners
@@corylyonsmusic I liked bad juju myself. It felt like an onslaught. They kept giving you bodies for you to feed to it.
@@Maeno34 whisper was better, nothing in this game beats the feeling of creeping through that mission. it feels bigger than anything else in the game, just jumping through this mysterious set of ruins down to the heart of the planet. goddamn that mission is some of my favorite moments in gaming ever, when you hear the "you shall drift" i get goddamn goosebumps every time. outbreak was great, but imo its not as great.
edit: now i'm thinking about that massive green room halfway through and the peaceful synth soundtrack, doing the last few wall jumps when you are near the ceiling literally give me vertigo. so good.
Anyone else get the vibe that this video felt like a parent explaining to their child why they're not getting as many gifts for Christmas this year?
Yes!
Yeah pretty much
Here's what I'm frustrated with. I have spent about 200 dollars on this game by now. Developers like CD project red pump out huge expansions for the same price as a season. All I keep hearing is how incredibly demanding their job is and how they need more cash from Eververse. If that company is full of people who hate their job they should look around for fresh talent. Coins sure ain't a problem here.
@@micca903 Bungie got 300 million dollars this year from eververse well above that, and bungie were to pay activsion back 500 million over the span of 10 years. So if the figure stayed the same for 10 years that be over 3 billion dollars and more than 6 times as much as they needed to pay back. So no bungie really do not need more money from eververse they may want more but they do not need it.
micca903 CDPR also takes YEARS to produce that content. You and the rest of the Destiny community expect that type of content every 3 months from Bungie. It’s completely unrealistic. Hope you don’t break your ass when you eventually crash back down to the real world.
Datto explaining bungies situation sounds like parents explaining to there kids they are getting a divorce
May divorce be with you.
except, he lets them off the hook a little bit. No one is expecting all that shit every season, but what people do expect is for some creativity. The new seasonal activity is the same thing as menagerie, which is almost the same thing as Vex Offensive. If we are going to play essentially the same activity each season, why even make new seasons at all.
@@Morhpocelionate spend any time on Reddit or b.net? Community actually does expect all of that. They could get the most creative event we've ever seen but when the go through it in 2 weeks, the incessant complaining of "well, guess I'm done" and "where's all the content?" Pepper the boards.
I've seen it for 5 years now. Y'all have to remember, after a major release a SMALL team is sectioned off to do the quarterly updates. There is literally only so much you can do.
If the lack of brand new things is such a detractor, go play something else. Well never be able to get Bungie to do more unless we pay more and thus they can hire more artists and engineers. It's basic math, basic economics, basic company running stuff.
We pay almost nothing for the content. $10 every 3 months is an absolute joke. I'd be down to pay double if it meant my content was doubled but I doubt the majority would agree to this.
@@Morhpocelionate Not only that but then the lold excuse of starbucks. all while they laugh to the bank with all those shadowkeep sales and eververse money. Hopefully every season won't be a reskin and they can do more interesting bosses than tons of immunity and 1-2 hit stomps that boop you across the map. the loot better be reaal good.
@@cheifzero I mean, he's not wrong about the Starbucks thing. Just skip it once, maybe twice, and you'll have enough money. It really isnt expensive. At all. But I am curious, what would you like to see them add that is reasonable for $10.
Datto: tear through, like something you tear through easily.
Me: cheap toilet paper?
Wrapping paper, even
Cabal..wait no..that's real tough...
School toilet paper quality's, it'll rip and make you tear
Cheap garbage bags
Oh for the BIRTH of Christ......
This man out here putting together high quality edits while other TH-camrs just go “wOwIe NeW vIdEo LeTs SlOw It DoWn AnD cAlL iT cOnTeNt.”
Love you daddo
Necrokitty did someone say Mesa Sean 😭
Houndish is also pretty good when it comes to meaningful info breakdown, I don't watch anyone else when it comes to Destiny other than him and Datto
@Wow so Edgy I disagree, I don't follow or watch any of the update stuff, TWAB, blog posts, reddit or anything else on the game and every time houndish uploads I see new info that I think it's relevant and I didn't know before at all. I like it because he will break down every single bit of info, leaks or dev talk from everywhere else even if it's very small so you're completely up to date. It's nice for people like me who don't wanna be left in the dark about the state of the game but also would rather watch a single dude's content rather than be on 10 other different types of media digging for info and leaks. I don't think it's bad at all and I will assume you think it's not worth making news content on the game unless there's a big content breakdown to do like today's reveal stream.
Saying he's horrible is just wrong, his videos are all useful and informative, and this is coming from someone who absolutely despises clickbait trash content with no substance
Disagree. Datto just rants with a few clips behind it. True Vanguard and Kackis do it best atm
Aztecross is still my main destiny boi
Cant wait to see all the season themed loot in the eververse...
I dont wanna agree with you, but the facts are the facts.
@@Bone-Owner it kinda pisses me off, season themed loot should be enable through gameplay.
Eververse should be full of wacky loot. Or loot that doesnt tie on directly to the current season.
Richard Bertrand im just tired of eververse armor looking better then the actual armor.
Megalone123 wait so you’re telling me the paid armor looks better than the regular armor wow no way I wonder why that is
There's no point in grinding armor that has an expiration date.
tbf I still use some of my 1.0 armor. A good piece of armor with nice perks will always be useful
Yea armor 2.0 is a scam and alot have been sold on the idea and does not think it is.
@@mortenlarsen7220 It gets boring constantly reusing the same armor over and over and over though. If you get some new cool gear, youll be like: Well. Doesnt look as good or this has special stuff but its not as good as my old stats. Having new mods or perks on new armor gives a reason to use that armor or try to grind for it bc you want a cool build
@@yeheed6607 And thats why we can put ornaments on our gear. They could have done that to pre shadowkeep armor aswell, there was no need for scam 2.0 to be a thing. Those stats have done nothing to shake up anything at all, all we do now if look at stats and energy and delete if its not what we want, where as before we looked at the rolls of the armor. Which also was better on exotics rather than this system As for perks yea there have been no new perks sooooooo that just makes it boring doesnt it? And leaves the new weapons pointless.
One thing; every season leaves loose ends in their story, then the next season just starts anew story.
We got a lot of loose ends, one of them; I'm still curious about prince elden.
Maybe a season that solely ties up some loose ends?
trey randall bet he will come into play when the darkness does, so will mars sov, and probably oryx which the hive are trying to resurrect
@@Benny_B0O0 Savathun will probably be the focus of future Hive stuff (or the other sister first). If it ends up being about Oryx, it just means Savathun will be manipulating us to kill her dad... again...
zippo718 savathune is oryx’s sister boi
Trespasser gameplay at 11:45 gets me hella nostalgic, miss that gun so much
Every Datto's thoughts video:
"Yeah it's alright. Could be better but what can ya do?"
Wasn't expecting quarterly vendor refreshes but we haven't had a vendor refresh in over a YEAR. Haven't had factions in 2 years. STILL don't have much of a reason to do strikes.......
Lol cause there was 1 new strike with a supposed big content drop
@@patrickhamlin6376 3
Bungie: Buffs Warlocks to stay in the air
Also Bungie: Makes a season around snipers and other long range weapons
This shouldn't be a problem....
Okay but at the same time every time I see a warlock suspended in the air with nowhere to go but down, you almost have to try to miss. I main top tree now, and though you might be able to catch people off guard now because there's literally nobody playing it, after the update everyone is gonna try it, and everyone will be on the lookout for it. It's much harder to snipe while suspended, and much more vulnerable.
@@zj279789 Thats my point, im saying warlocks are gonna get pick out of the sky, dropping like flies
I dont expect them to do a vendor refresh for smaller seasons like this. But them not doing it for Shadowkeep still bothers me
"A void battery"
Spectral blade hunters: *Laughs menacingly*
I'll quit lmao
Health + Shield + Invis + smoke. Thats a yikes
I'll probably uninstall
As a hunter main, I can confirm
Yikes bro that was literally me when I heard that and I feel bad cuz I hate arc battery and I’m a spectral blade main ✊😔
Destiny is going to move back into that "play every now and then category" for me. I'll still enjoy playing, just not going to put in the same time I once did. There are so many games to play I would be foolish to spend half my play time on one game.
electriclott destiny is now in the ‘only read up on the lore and never actually play the game‘ category for me now lmao
What we want: cool secret exotic quests, new raids, new enemy types, new areas with secrets, more in depth and involved endgame experiences
What we don’t want: more boring easy hoard modes
I’d be willing to pay 5x the amount of a season pass and wait way longer for way higher quality content updates that include stuff thatd actually revitalise my interest in destiny. I have no problem with 10 dollars but it could be free for all I care, it still seems so boring and shallow, I’m not coming back for sundial lmao
@@Sforz-tarifa the only people that want new raids are the people who actually raid which is less than 10% of the of the community..... why do people keep using "new raids" as some sort of point when we all have the numbers on how little raid activities are actually engaged in.
iPsyop pulling stats out of ur ass to make a point!
The number is higher than that and even then this game is free to play and will count every single new light player that logs on for an hour to try destiny and never plays again.
@@Sforz-tarifa how about instead of raids (which a small part if the community do) why not more dungeons. Since they're pretty forgiving and more people will engage with that
Sap The Cap id be all for a new dungeon 💞💞pit of heresy and shattered throne are both great
I wish they'd go back to the D1 style of drops in the sense that they slow down releases and give more content, like what Datto said about every 6 months we get a drop instead of 3. These days I only hop on one day every week or two instead of playing for weeks on end like in D1, but then again, I never even stopped playing D1 during its lifespan due to great/fun grinds like strike specific loot with the vanguard streak system and skeleton keys as a good example, I wasn't spammed with drops but I didn't feel like my time was wasted. (also D1 strikes were a lot more fun)
Yeah I played d1 strikes for days on end.
With D1 you had almost nothing inbetween the content drops though, I couldnt imagine this days going from Foresaken to Shadowkeep with just the base content, that's the exact reason these seasons exist, to give you something new to do every 3 months until the next expansion. I dont think every player enjoyed strikes over and over as much as you did.
Well, I wish They would do that, If that means They wouldnt only focus on seasons. We need monthly updates. We shouldnt wait for a new season for recluse nerf and stuff like that. We need balance and bug fixes every month.
@@MMOplayeerr yeah that's the one part I'd like them to be pushing out faster, waiting up to a year for a nerf is stupid
@@hamokamo as I said I personally never got bored of D1 even during the content droughts, because we had things like trials, great strike grinds, good exotic grind, etc.
My man Datto thinking about the millions of views he’s getting on those two exotic videos, come on you know it’s gonna happen
He doesn't think about that. He's not that greedy unlike other TH-camrs. If he gets it fine if not, whatever
You should be thinking about how to get a job and get off food stamps.
@@colby8104 Nothing wrong with free shit #Feeltheburn2020
Meanwhile Eververse is healthier than ever! Going strong with a full suite of cosmetics!
I dont get why everyone's so worried about the hunter knife, titans already have insurmountable and shoulder charge and warlocks already have contraverse hold and handheld so what's the big whoop
Aedan Rea David Blaine big whoop
Because the knife will keep refreshing on those 1-hit kills, and with exotic that gives them 2 knife charges they can even miss 1 and still wipe your team.
It it the fact that it is long ranged and not easy to quickly counter like the shoulder charge melees are with shotguns or subs.
@@zippo718 but it rewards precision unlike handheld and shoulder
Aedan Rea it’s not that hard to hit lol
“You can eat your grenade”
-Daddy Datto 2019
At the end of the day, it is still a commercial product, so I'd always be of the opinion that people *shouldn't* lower their expectations - they should simply look elsewhere for someone or something that satisfies their expectations/standards. If Bungie can't keep up a certain level of quality or quantity that people expect from them, well.... They *chose* to strike out on their own; they *chose* to split up their workforce between atleast 3 different, potentially large, projects (D2 life support, the inevitable D3 & whatever rumoured unnamed project they're working on); and if the consequences of that include players saying "welp, guess me & my money are moving on to greener pastures", then that's just the way it goes.
Khain Deinonycus it becomes a problem when all you want is more content and don’t want to look elsewhere you feel? Some niggas just wanna play destiny for some reason
D3 should be the final destiny game and should be built as a full on mmo with the plan to support it for many many years. Sequels are meh at this point.
That is true but at the same time you paid 10$ for the season which i do feel like it's a cheap price for what content we might be getting. A small story, an activity, a few dozen hours for the season pass, more weapon to use. Compare to what i could spend that 10$ on instead i feel it's worth it. I'm exaggerating but if you pay 10$ and expect a forsaken size expension then you should in fact lower your expectation
While I get what you're saying, that type of thinking seems pretty bad way to go about things.
They said that they can't keep up which makes sense when doing a live service game by yourself with a limited bandwidth engine.
@@mimijimmy3623 exactly
Bungie: Play your way
Also Bungie: We're gonna restrict the overload, shield piercing and unstoppable mods to scout rifles, bows and pulse rifles.
and don't forget restricting the armor mods with elemental affinity
god i want elemental affinity gone so fucking bad whoever thought that was a good idea needs to be fired
I personally despise pulse scout and fusion rifles fuckthat
@@The_Number1Candyman dont forget any armor that doesn't have the right seasonal slot
ill be happy if we at least get the yearly whisper/outbreak styles quest with a good weapon and at that production level.
"They tore through it like a new bag of shredded cheese at 3am"
Yes
and then again at 4am... and 5am...
Void battery with invis dodge and wormhusk or graviton forfeit will go crazy.
*Laughs in Handheld Supernova*
Noooooooooooooo
What about just expecting them to finish the story of the nightmares that they started
Finishing a story and Bungie. Temper your expectations as Datto said :p
Yeah we will never see what happens with our new guardian Prince Aldrin. I think he left with Activision.
If you payed attention to the Shadowkeep Vidoc, you would realize that they will. The last season of the year will tie it all together. If you read the lore that's been coming out, you can see that this is more than just "Oh boy Saint XIV is back" and more of "crap, us killing the Undying Mind, means that in the current future, the City will be annihilated in a few years." Theres alot going on right now. The Cabal are seeking to alter time in the infinite forest. The infinite forest is connected to the Vex. The Vex worship the Darkness. The Darkness is creating the nightmares. Dont sau Bungie can't finish a story. They haven't even tried to finish the story yet. This DLC is literally still dealing with fallout from the Red War. The Darkness is the first glimpse we've had at an idea of an ending for Destiny. But this is still early on. We still have years of content before its over. Destiny is not comprised of several short stories. Each expansion is a new chapter to the story. If you've ever read a book, you dont expect each new problem to be resolved by the end of the chapter, that's called bad writing.
"I don't think $10 is asking much. Skip a trip to Starbucks in the morning, and you got it" - Datto 2019
I 100% agree.
strange : I saw 14 million possibilities
Stark: How many did we win
Strange: Just one
Bungie: Sounds like a good destiny 2 storyline
As Bungie: Saint 14 is coming back
I can't wait to make a build around top-tree Dawnblade. I've always wanted to make a build centered around Wings of Sacred Dawn just because it looked so cool, and now I'll be able to next week.
I get that we should temper expectations and all but, come on, Bungie is a 600-person studio, I'm not saying it's easy to make games or that the devs should be overworked, but I feel like a "good" expansion with a raid, a new activity, some new weapons, armor, etc. once every 6 months would not be *that much* to ask if they did a 6 month release schedule. I'd be willing to pay 20 bucks and wait a few extra months for a significantly better content drop.
Not all 600 people are all working on Destiny, Bungie is probably working on other projects as well
@@crackonacid0168 But that right there is the crux of the issue. How much faith can we have in a company that says "We don't have the resources to support the game like we used to anymore, therefore Eververse", and with the very next breath says "We have a significant number of staff working on other projects (i.e. not Destiny)"?
Id be fine with paying 20 as well but theyd have to start refreshing vendors and shit like that. Their killing the game by making it so redundant to play.
purple Shadow what you said at the end is exactly the big point: if we want a bigger expansion then that’s gonna take some time, therefore we’re gonna have to wait a little while...but if you want a constant flow of content then yes it will take less time, but it won’t be as much content...
So the question becomes does the community have the patience for what it really wants? Because unfortunately that’s the reality of game development, we as consumers can’t pick and choose how much content we want in a certain timeframe....
So there’s only two options: would the community rather wait more time, but get a lot more content, or would they rather wait less time, but as the cost of getting less content?
Mandalore the Hunter best way to put it!
Is it just me or does anyone just not feel the hype anymore like they used to before “The Dark Below” or HOW, I just don’t feel it anymore, infact I was more hyped for The April Update back in TTK.
We need something worth engaging in not this constant horde mode bs man 😔
who watched the edit on the stream
I do like how you brought up the expectation for content. Content takes resources, time, teamwork, and dedication so super high expectations after their recent decisions would be unfair. Thanks for the content Datto👌🏾
Endless hoard mode would definitely pique my interest more than reloading the same map over and over and over. If Bungie wants me to grind the same map for hours in a single session, I'm good with that, but why waste time reloading and resetting the map when they could have just spawned an endless stream of vex that gradually gets more difficult, pausing the action occasionally to ask me if I want to keep going or drop to orbit. Seems like a great idea. I know, Warframe did it, but they didn't do it first. That was Halo ODST, a BUNGIE game. Why did they not do this in Destiny yet? What are they saving it for? In Reach, hoard mode was literally all I did after finishing the campaign. I've played 200+ waves at a time of nothing but adds in Warframe. I want to do that in Destiny.
...whatever Bungie does with this season, the loot needs to be worth the grind, or I'll feel like I'm wasting my time and do something else... Like go outside.
Well...... You're the minority here........
Danny Caracciolo he actually isn’t. The majority of the playerbase have been asking for a horde style mode for 5 years.
Problem with that is they are probably saving it for a season around Xivu Arath since that type stuff is really her signature thing and she is the only one with enough powercin numbers to pull that off
@@SuperSigite I don't see how they could feasibly do it. The entire game is built to be a cohesive unit, no planet has ever featured all enemy types, and no one has really fit the mold before D2 as a vendor for this event. This also has a problem contextually; if this is a hoard mode that is endless, how does your guardian get out alive from a lore perspective? Nightfalls reset things if you all die, so technically its not really a problem for a lore perspective, but an endless hoard mode would be about going until you couldn't anymore, which likely means you and your fireteam died, so how do they get out when they are faced with enemies that literally want you perma-dead? Also i think you are inflating that number a bit, we only really started hearing about specifically a hoard style mode very recently.
The argument you could put forward is Calus; known collector different species and strangeness, and enjoyer of arena combat, could fit this mold. He could establish it on the leviathan, build a whole arena, maybe put in some raid-lite functions for fun, make it an extension of the menagerie, as a menagerie is defined as a "collection of exotic animals", which perfectly fits the concept of hoard mode featuring every enemy type. Calus has even displayed the ability to teleport guardians out of the path of danger, like being stuck in the mouth of the Leviathan in eater of worlds. The problem is... we just got a content drop from Calus 6 months ago, and this would probably dry him out a bit if he were to so quickly return. not to mention, this would be like the 6th piece of endgame content we got from Calus? They are already testing the limit of how completely charming Calus as a character and Darin DePaul as a voice actor is, treasures as they both are.
SuprizeOptomist because Bungie are lazy and can’t make good games anymore
No thought's on how the artifacts funnel game play towards specific weapons for end game activities, pulling us away from the "Play how you want" mentality??
What Curse Of Osiris should have been also looks cool
Bungie did mention trials, like a year ago when they said it’s not comming back and has no plans to ever come back
Pure well I hope you didn’t mean it would be back next season, cause they just said it’s not and they said “ trials is on hiatus Indefinitely and they’ll be sure to tell us they they have planes to bring it back” sooo sorry bro
I feel like if they just redid all vendors all planetary vendors all tower vendors and just a ton of nee armor and weapons would be way better than some new 6 man activity that will be fun for the first at most 5 times but after than noone will play again. Give us armor that we can use and enjoy for months and seasons to come.
The amount of rewards, the u our loot pools for activities, vendor inventories. The easiest thing to get people more engaged without having to make activities and such. I dont know why they don't just make a ton of weapons and armor. We have lots of good activities to choose from, the loot system is a bigger priority...agreed.
Datto said it best on his stream "if we get new armor sets, thats just more stuff to dismantle in the end". New gear is fine for one day then its just like every other piece of gear. If it doesn't have good stat rolls then you trash it. Instead of armor sets Id rather them make a glamour/transmog system, so we can turn pieces of gear into ornaments.
Realistically how long is that gonna keep you entertained for ? This is exactly why bungie are the devs and not the fans. We already get enough weapons an armour with seasons that we dont use, we dont need a vendor refresh.
@Traktor Oil Moders do not have to give a sh*t if guns work or completely break the game. So yeah it would be much easier for them to overhaul. You could build a car alot faster if you did not care if it started or blew up with you in it after you were done.
I bet that trials is going to get introduced this season and it will be a shocker, clues: Osiris plays big roll this season meaning they probably had him record some pvp lines of dialogue, we hear saint 14 yell something you’d expect Shaxx to yell, and finally there are some strange new guns that looks little too unique
Ah, yes Datto's back. Thank God. I can't wait for GREEK/RUSSIAN arguments in the comments.
he's greek, other russians said he sounds nothing like a russian
Of course he's Greek.. look at his helmet. He's literally a Myrmidon. Plus, southern Russian dialects (the ones people around the world recognize as Russian) pull inflections heavily from eastern European dialects (from places like Greece, Romania, and Serbia). That's why people think he's Russian, Russians sound Greek.
he's apparently jewish too, he mentioned that in a Jez video with him where they play 'keep talking and nobody explodes'
Alex Zawacki we’re talking about saint 14 bro
@@reddragonTD Maybe Saint 14 was also there. I have not seen the stream yet
Vendors need to be rethought completely in my view. They should have a rotating selection of decently rolled weapons for players to buy with tokens or even materials/glimmer. Make playing more casually for some decent guns an alternative to the grind, grind, grind that everything requires now. I barely log in any more because I just burned out.
Why does bungie continue to waste time developing these new spaces and boss encounters with unique mechanics for horde modes that will go away in a couple months, doesnt seem like a good development system to me, when they say that us buying microtansactions funds whisper and outbreak style missions, where are more of those, they had to cut back on stuff because of team reduction, can the team that exists only make minor changes and horde modes? Id like to go back to yearly updates, I believe they burdened themselves with this schedule, time gate a years worth instead of making "big" updates every season
I also hope that grinding weapon kills in the vex offensive type triumphs that are required for the seasonal title dont return because they are unnecessary and irritating to have to fight for your kills in a time limited 6 player mode where theres a set amount of adds that you must get final blows and even multikills, everything else related to the seasonal title was fine except for those and I hope theyve heard this complaint before and agree and dont do it for this next season, I already have to fight for kills in strikes with the ritual and pinnacle quests every season, I dont want to do it in each horde mode too, then the seasons become a looming fight for kills annoyance that you must deal with if youre a completionist like me
Zachary Asher a well put opinion man, might not hurt to post this in the feedback forum on Bungie. Maybe catches a dev’s eye
Sounds like Zach over here should go work for Bungie
@Clockwork Man kinda like how you could turn matchmaking off for the haunted forest, yea bungie add a firewalled version of your horde modes if i have to farm kills for the triumphs please
Your comment almost makes it sound like you found the Vex offensive weapon objectives more annoying than the ritual weapons. I can't agree with that AT ALL. Fuck Randy and all his kitchen utensils, throwing or otherwise.
@@randomguys2 not that randys wasnt annoying just that these new truimphs add more of those style of objective but for no weapon reward only a title.
One of the brief things you missed is that class ability cooldowns now tie to a stat for each class, as mentioned when a dev was highlighting a stat icon for a sec. Hunters mobility etc.
Holy crap... Someone who has realistic expectations... In 2019 no less... Christmas miracles DO happen!
In all seriousness. I can't believe how everyone thinks they should get a new raid, new dungeon, a new event, new exotics, new armor, new pvp maps, new iron banner stuff, trials of Osiris back and more, every 3 months, for the price of a fucking large coffee at Starbucks... This may sound harsh, but how poor are gamers...?
Vathone V I was just expecting trials back. Especially since they wanted to have a “renewed” focus on PvP. Which the game mode is already in the game and the engine hasn’t changed meaning they can copy paste it from D1. All they’d need to do is design new gear and weapons and reskin them for the flawless variants. Adding more loot to go for in PvP which is much needed.
Yes, so realistic, who wants to actually do something fun and not repetitive? Oh it's alright, they can sell it through eververse.
They should hire more people. It's not my problem that they are understaffed.
Damn people really do have unrealistic expectations, like damn they aint got money like that no more yet yall still out here losing your shit.
@@Bone-Owner It was their choice to go free to play. Could have easily made it a cheap subscription based system to have a steady stream of money coming in like FF14, or at least kept it the same as year 1 and 2.
12:03 I love how the players focus is clearly on the sundial and Osiris and nothing else, And I’m just sitting here wondering about that cool Titan Emote on the left
I agree with all of the things you were saying about expectations but I don’t think Bungie realizes what’s going to make the player base happy the don’t need to make a whole new 6 man activity that we’re gonna mindlessly blow through just to give us new weapons instead update the menagerie or escalation protocol or the forges and give us a raid or a raid lair or a dungeon and make all of the lighthouse weapons able to be randomly rolled (Which I think they did) point is the seasonal activity reskin is going to get old there’s only so many ways you can “forge new weapons” instead give us the content we want to see and revamp old activities or add a prestige garden of salvation but they’re time is wasted making a whole new activity that’s around for 3 months just to give us 7 new weapons
The one shot throwing knife shouldn’t be anything to worry about seeing how titans and warlocks basically have a one shot ability on almost all their subclasses.
You are correct on the fact that we shouldn’t hold high expectations on activities that bungie didn’t mention.
Warlocks have handheld supernova on only 1 subclass ?
Mo Kai yes but they have other one hit melee options as so do titans. Hunters literally have one now. Until we see gameplay of it. No one should really worry about it. My guess is the wind up is going to be extra slow. Leaving hunters open to attacks. So no i don’t think its anything to worry about until we see how it works.
Would make sense if they had Kabr come back as well, seems like a missed opportunity considering he was lost in time
kabr isn't lost to time, he drank an oracle and died
You leave a titan unsupervised for 10 GODDAMN MINUTES an' they go an' drink questionable lookin' fluids from the corpse of a murder-bot, says it tastes salty, then up and fuckin' dies.
I wish Bungie added a in-game fireteam finder for raids and activities....
They do?
I'll gladly temper my expectation from bungie if they temper their expectations from us regarding micro-transactions.
They don't need to if folks keep paying for them.
The Eververse is fine. The game is F2P, and if you want to support the company do it. Hell, I really haven't seen anything to spend silver on that worth wild.
I’ve earned all the cartographer armor just from earning bright dust through the weekly bounties, I ain’t paying for crap
Do you want want even less content? No? Then shut the fuck up about Eververse. Bungie is now 100% independent and they need to make money however they can. Selling cosmetics is the best thing to do especially since the game is also f2p
@@e1xgaming481 you still have to pay for Forsaken and Shadowkeep so, no. It's not F2P. They don't earn that excuse.
Really appreciate your comment about to setting your expectations based on the size of the studio now and focusing on not running their developers into the ground. Thank you for that.
I was very worried when I saw the one-shot scout rifle, so I’m hoping it was just misleading.
From the small details i think i saw the 1 death causes an aoe after getting killed which damaged and allowed for a one shot
Ismail Wehelie that makes me feel better about it
I'm more worried about that void arc battery icon
Find it a bit funny that Datto said Trials was probably gonna be shelved knowing that it was going to be coming back the very next season.
Bungie: Introduction of Season of Dawn
Me: ill come back in a few years
Excluding exotics from seasonal play via artifact is gonna kill replay ability if you can’t use the best weapons
I wish we could get a firefight style mode
I think a really good horde mode idea would be a "defend the tower" type activity, where differing rotating classes of enemies attack the tower each week and you have to defend. One week fallen, cabal the next week etc.
I'm just happy their bringing my boi saint 14 back (I'm also just happy in general about this next season)
One charged with light mod buffs weapon damage, and I think Its a HUGE buff, because after 1 kill You lose It and Its not too easy to get charged of light, well with sniper precision It is quite easy, but They can be used just as fast as gained.
Whats important to look at is that You lose the weapon damage, If You kill and so there might be no timer on the damage buff You get from It, This could potentionally be very op for bosses.
What I heard when you talked about the subclass changes:
Hunters: big changes
Titans: big changes
Warlocks: Small changes and nerfs but small buffs and Bungie still not talking about the Warlock melee being slower than other classes.
Working as intended I guess. I love my main getting no love for another 3 months while both other classes get big changes.
Pick a new class then dude. Warlocks are fucking lame
The Attritionist Found the hunter main
Considering Hunters where the only ones without a one hit finish in PvP, I see this as a win xD
I think if they can’t deliver the same amount of content like last year which I don’t expect. Then they need to reduce the price, based on the price comparison of this year and last year, it’s not even comparable in the levels of content.
What we want: cool secret exotic quests, new raids, new enemy types, new areas with secrets, more in depth and involved endgame experiences
What we don’t want: more boring easy hoard modes
I’d be willing to pay 5x the amount of a season pass and wait way longer for way higher quality content updates that include stuff thatd actually revitalise my interest in destiny. I have no problem with 10 dollars but it could be free for all I care, it still seems so boring and shallow, I’m not coming back for sundial lmao
The Courteeners no one is really gonna miss you my friend, bungie stated why they wont be able to do all the things that you just said. The staff at bungie are humans they sleep, eat, and have lives. Honestly this looks great for 10 dolars and I’d rather have this than a four month dry spell just to have a big content drop. If you do decide to leave well good riddance, you weren’t a real bungie supporter anyways.
Alex De moya ?????????????????????????????
I didn’t expect anyone to miss me, I mostly play solo outside of lfg raids
People can, and have, made amazing, timeless, deep, involved and innovated game experiences with a fraction of the time, money and team that Bungie has. There is no excuse. There are so many people out there with great ideas who’ll never get to put them in fruition because they haven’t been given the support and money and foundation that a team like Bungie has. They have so much at their disposal that a lot of other gaming companies outright don’t have.
And wdym ‘not a real Bungie supporter’??? Idk any of them personally. I’m not friends with anyone at Bungie. So yeah I guess I’m not a real supporter because I don’t praise every disappointing content release. Everyone has a job, lives, has to eat, things to do. And for a lot of people destiny is their one escape and relief from all that, which is why it’s so disheartening that it’s at this current low quality when it has been so much better before.
You seem like a blind fan, which is fine if you genuinely believe they can do better with support like w/e, but there are so many games out there doing what Bungie is doing but 1000x better and with even less of the apparent low resources they have. I’d much rather put support and money into those people than hear sob stories about creators of what was once the most expensive and best selling property whine about that they have no money.
@@Sforz-tarifa Go away. Literally and actually zero people care that you "aren't coming back".
@@NoodleXXII I do. His arguments have substance unlike yours. You just stop listening and go "La la la la la la". He didn't insult you. He just told you his opinions and feelings about this game and you just told him to fuck of.
The Courteeners well im sorry to tell you and no im not a blind fan I just know when they someone does something right. You say there are games that do what bungie does but 1000x times better? Question where’s that amazing game you’re talking about I would honestly be very interested to see this masterpiece you speak of because from what I’m seeing Destiny is and has been at the top for mmorpgs for almost all it’s lifespan if that weren’t true it would’ve flopped like Anthem. No matter how you see it there’s a limit to what you can do with certain resources and what you’re asking is completely impossible for 10 dollars a piece. The story telling is way more consistent and in the long run it’s the same amount content you’re just someone who likes to nitpick every little detail there is about the game. You say that everyone has a life? Yeah that’s true but theirs has the same value as everyone else’s, they aren’t superhuman how you make them out to be. You buy this game to play, they spend many hours a day making the game for people and I don’t know if you noticed bungie is now a self publishing company so no they don’t have nearly as many resources as what they used to have. Please don’t twist my words you obviously don’t need to know anybody to support them if that were the case nobody would have a favorite of anything like basketball teams. Up until now they have made huge strides from the beginning of the game only Listening to us fans, not only that they made the game free to play, honestly nobody cares whether you believe they have the man power or resources or not to make stupid amounts of content like you’re implying they should. Again I reiterate what you’re asking for is implausible and not the best from a strategic standpoint either because there would have a humongous dry spell and then you would most likely say the same thing “bungie doesnt push out any consistent content I won’t play while the game is like this ill only play when some new content comes out”. Considering how you formulated your argument by definition it’s invalid because you ask a insane amount of requests and hide it behind ohh everyone else has life too so they must do a crazy amount of content to please me sort of deal.
And fine I apologize for being so aggressive but I still hold my ground on my point.
holy shit they added commas to damage numbers WOW
Imagine one day bungie runs out of ideas and make a battle royale mode that takes place on the destinations (edz, mars, moon, etc). Im not saying thats what I want to happen, it’s something that I think every company has considered doing since when fortnite was at its peak.
I think you mean that's what Fortnite did when PUBG was at its peak.
I've been maining top tree dawnblade for anything not too critical since it exists because i just think it's the most fun (despite not being the best). I am SO HYPED to have it buffed up.
It looks pretty short lived content my expectations were low bungie met them
Throwing Knife reset on precision kill is fine, I run around on top tree striker when I get tired of getting melee'd by titan,only using shoulder charge to kill with insta-reset. It's roughly 30 kills every game, even in Iron Banner.
Datto’s thoughts are spot on! It’s 10 dollars plus there are the Seasonal events. As a semi above casual player this works just fine but I can see a hardcore player/streamer who plays daily also content creators worries. I for one can’t complain at all this gives me time to complete things I haven’t completed and there are a lot in the same place. If you run out of stuff to do, there are tons of guardians who can use your skills and assistance (I still don’t have whisper or outbreak lol)
JSTEV we are also getting armor sets and possibly weapons for the dawning and crimson days, which is totally free, really like that they haven’t quit on our holiday events
Idk if I'd even call you a casual if you don't have whisper or outbreak. Ya sounds like a lot of content if one was to play so little of the game
It's not my problem that bungie refuses to hire new employees.
JSTEV you don’t have whisper? I know people with 20 or so hours on the game with whisper. I think that’d make you a little less than a casual....
JSTEV imagine not having Whisper in 2019 Imfao
I think a cool new seasonal activity would be a six man strike with interchangeable sections and a few different bosses
I hope it's not a grindfest that goes nowhere
Thank you Datto ! It feels so good to hear a constructive analysis of what this new season will probably be and why it won't meet some people's expectations. Many youtubers (especially from where I live in Europe) just keep complaining about the so-called lack of content/new raid/unbalanced PVP, while forgetting that Bungie is now on their own
I wonder if the holding back of trials has something to do with eververse. As in its a lot of cosmetics for bungie to make that they wouldn't be able to tie around an entire season but also its not small enough for them to include in a season. (Bungie can't profit from trials cosmetics because the community would have a fit about it).
You might have a point but at the same time. Looking at some of the situation in pvp itself, they might just feel it is a bad call to bring it back. I mean the amount of shotguns/fusion rifles/any other one shot weapon is immense and it would make trials almost too easy.
That does make a lot of sense. Plus, making a PvP activity in a Season wouldn't be the right move because people mainly plays PvE.
They would have to see how people play this Season and determine whether or not to bring it back with the current sandbox.
Or it maybe due to the Artifact Seasonal with Light Level Advantages. Idk. I'm not bothered by Trials. Never liked it.
@@Zeref198 yeah, the ttk in this game is a bit quick for a one life mode like trials to be enjoyable for most people
One shot throwing knife that u can get over and over again if u can hit the head... while Titian has a helmet that gives them their one shot melee over and over for just punching them
I'm sure everyone is pumped to spend tons of time on Mercury again.....said no godamn one ever.
at least we can use sparrows now
@@Yung6Pack To get to that one lost sector or traverse that one public event (ok, ok it is the biggest public event in the game, which is cool the first time, but just annoying when you're on the grind). Mercury is about as big as one of the bigger areas in EDZ, and that's pathetic. Also some of the worst designed daily bounties in the game.
I love the Trespasser content. That was a cool sidearm.
If we can get saint 14 back, can we get cayde 6 as well?
CFE KOS-MOS no
Hope not. Then you get into dragonball territory where deaths dont feel meaningful. I miss Cayde but time to move on
no since saint died in the forest and cayde did not. also saint is not around forever, we give him perfect paradox and then he goes and becomes a hero while using it
I think this season looks cool. Quarterly seasons feel like nice quick refreshes, I'm not expecting huge updates. Either we get a year 4 or D3 or who knows what. Until then, I'm happy to play these new updates for 2 months or so then take a break until the next one
Think im pretty much done with destiny after all this time. I just dont see myself playing this content for three whole months and dont have anything to grind out. Hopefully the next annual drop will be worth returning for
Honestly, if they manage to do 3 content drops with the level of content dawn looks to have, with a raid in the middle one, I think that's very reasonable
“skip a trip to starbucks”
people really act like $10 is more than it is. for $10 this amount of content makes sense. the problem is something common with communities, content hunger. we just have an insatiable hunger for good content and want it constantly. not that we shouldn’t want more content, i think our playerbase as a whole just needs to realize that we won’t always have huge dlcs to feed off of.
My main concern isn't about the money. It's about "Is this enough content for me to continue to play throughout the season?", and if the answer is No, then the obvious thing to do would be don't play Destiny this season. Yet FOMO and time limited things like titles really makes me not want to stop playing because of it.
Jake Musser yeah my concern is in that regard too. fortunately i don’t plan to play destiny as my main focus for this season, just enough to get what i want. after the burnout from the ritual weapons for the undying title i’m done with seasonal titles, at least til july.
I would happily pay more money for more content. This is one of a few games that I actually enjoy playing. I would gladly pay for overpriced content if it meant expanding the dev team and getting more content.
you said they never mentioned anything about trials and i think i remember them mentioning trials in one of their twabs before shadowkeep like ''trials of the NINE is not coming back'' hinting in trials returning so the expectation and hype for trials are not pulled from thin air.
“skip a trip to starbucks and you got it” honestly the most real thing I’ve heard. People complain so much about not having content but c’mon all this for 10 bucks sounds like a deal to me.
The real question is - Is destiny going to better as a result of the split with Activision? Is this different from what we are used to? Can they deliver a taken king or forsaken expansion on their own?
The biggest reveal will be September 2020.
You're worried about one shot hunter melee when we been having titan and warlock one shot melee for awhile? Lol are you ok datto?
And not only that but the knife actually takes skill and practice to get a precision kill while the others are AOE based damage
The other two classes can't one shot you from distance. Also they aren't the best pvp best like Hunter.
@@Drake00000010 are you playing the same game we are? Cause I dont think we are playing the same game.
@@juxtaposedgl Are you? Hunter being the best pvp class is a fact. On console, their mobility and class ability are unmathad.
@@Drake00000010 where are you getting your facts from lol you can have all the mobility you'd like it wong matter if you get one shot by a titan or get a hand held nova bomb tossed at you by a warlock. Both those classes has the most broken roaming supers and one of them still has the most broken meta exotic helmet in the game. Both of which require no skill at all.
Datto taking about the slight worries with gunslingers throwing knife in that you can get it quickly as if insurmountable skullfort doesn't give infinte titan shoulder charges
I really need the "hope for the future" song from D1, because I'm losing hope.
Bungie should put together a super high quality horde mode game thing. Create turrets, block paths to make chokepoints, spawn minions. Then seasonal PvE can have new maps, new modifiers, new twists and styles on it.
Every season thus adds a layer on the cake, not rebuilding the cake from the ground up.
Could work.
Absolutely nobody:
Me with a Scared Provenance, rapid hit, kill clip: 😈
33% aint trash my dude
How about outlaw, subsistence, rapid hit, hunter dodge or rally barricade or any reloading exotic?
What a trash comment
Honestly, I like the focus on smaller updates in seasons. Maybe I am getting old (most likely), but I just can't play a single game nonstop anymore. I like that I can start a season, play it intensively for 14 days or a month and then ramp down my playtime over the next two months until the next season drops. Time to play other games or focus on irl stuff.
Mods for Linear Fusion Rifles. Dunno what they've been smoking but that's some bad shit.
Belydrith preach
Maybe we'll see some buffs to them next twab
Like wrapping paper on Christmas morning
Honestly I’m feeling a little underwhelmed. There needs to be a vendor weapon reset, or at the very least more guns to chase. I’ll still be hopeful for the future, though.
its still a shame that they are pushing most of their unique armor into only Eververse
I watched this be made on stream yesterday, but I'm still sure as hell gonna watch it again now!