Чёрт возьми! Это лучший канал на YT, который я видел. Это первый человек, который так подробно и информативно рассказывает о новых компонентах Sram. Особенно, про новинки, информации о которых нет в интернете. У ведущего прекрасно поставлена речь, поэтому встроенный в YT переводчик отлично понимает и переводит на русский. Мы, велосипедисты в России с интересом смотрим ваш канал, и подписаны на него. Делимся впечатлениями, обсуждаем. Информация очень интересная и полезная. Спасибо вам за ваш труд! С нетерпением ждём новых роликов👋🏻🔥🙂
Love this content. No one else on TH-cam (or anywhere else I can find) is going this in-depth to answer the questions many of us have. I’d like to see you do a video with the road and mountain flat-top chains. I’ve seen several people claim they couldn’t find a dimensional difference in real life. Thanks!
@@XCRiders i like the idea that its a little bit heavier, becouse 2 of my friends broke the eagle ones and the stuff we are riding is not so friendly for the bike. a few grams heavier, but way stronger
The new t-type X01 is now more like the last iteration of the GX than it is XX. Seems like they didn't want the X01 and XX to be similar anymore just to make sure anyone looking for weight savings HAVE to buy the XX.
Thanks so much for the explanation. This video led me to decide to use my old xx1 power meter with its crank and chainring with the new T Type chain, and save a lot of money. thank you so much
Great comparison! One small correction regarding to the available spindle lengths: There is an XX SL non wide crankset. To achieve the 55 mm chainline it utilizes a 0 mm offset chainring.
A quick note on chainlines and the need to go to 56.5-57 mm to accomodate wide tires: I have an old frame which was designed at a time when we only had 9 speed drivetrains with sub-50 mm chainline, but it still can take a 3.0 inch tyre. And if you do the math, a 49 mm chainline results in 8.4 mm clearance between a 12 speed chain and a 3.0 inch tyre (a little less when using lower gears).
i have the xx version and when i wanted to mount the cranks i was scared that it did not wanted to fit. Very nice to see that that is possible. Now i just need to find the spacers that go between the frame and my bb. Crazy btw how much better the xx groupset is compared to my 'old' x01 eagle groupset. I especially like how stiff the clutch is on the xx one and how easy it is to service without having to buy a new shift cable and stuff, crazy good transmission
Well finally! I found a video that explains this quite well. I wanted to put the bashguard chainring on my existing truvativs... but it seems it won't work. Looks like I'll have to mow some lawns after work!
Great video!! Can i use just the T-type cranks with my old gx derailleur and casstte include the chain? Just to replace my old gx eagle dub cranks.. thanks
Shockingly, the type t xo cranks are heavy 110 grams more than the xx. That’s about 1/4 pound. For me, that is an important number. Great video. Thanks.
@@chrisrnz 165mm to 170mm probably not that significant of a difference. X01 used to weigh only 50 grams heavier than XX1 cranks. So 100+ is significant. Seems like X0/X01 got the biggest weight penalty of the new t-type change. In fact, the last gen GX is lighter than the new X0.
I have the new SRAM XX T type mount in my old GX 12 Speed, with Shimano chain, not problem at all, I believe since there it’s no difference, the chain haven’t felt once. Work perfectly ❤. I change it for my old GX crank only for the weight loss.
Many thanks for the information regarding chainline etc. Keep up your good work 👍 I don't run any SRAM cranks on my Eagle drivetrain, 'cause there's no offer for 172.5 mm cranks (as I use for Road and Gravel). So I went to the third party manufacturer Leonardi Racing who supports the DUB standard and both interfaces for the chainring (3-bolt and 8-bolt)! I don't get it, why SRAM is optimizing their drivetrains without any consideration of the crank lengths as that is usual by all parties in the Road sector. There's a need for 2.5mm steps, when efficiency through power transfer is proclaimed as one big thing. Several lengths in one crank could be achieved by inserts, similar to Look Three Lobe.
i don't get the backward-compatiblity-part :( on the SRAM website I found the following: "Eagle Transmission T-Type chainrings are compatible with Eagle chains, so they can be used on Eagle Drivetrains when mounted to an Eagle Transmission crankset. However, Non-T-Type Eagle Drivetrain chainrings are incompatible with Eagle Transmission T-Type chains." yet, the back of the chainring in your video at 5:28 shows "SRAM T-Type Chains only" - doesn't that contradict each other? i'd like to get a powermeter for my non-UDH MTB and i'm wondering if i could use the new XX SL Crankset for example... :(
@@LoveMTB thanks, must have missed the part where you mentioned that it's possible anyway :) i chose sl since my current crank isn't dub wide... interestingly in most of the onlineshops where you can order the crank they don't mention if the included chainring is 0 or 3mm offset,... current chainring on my bike is 3mm so i guess i'll have to wait and see whats included ^^
I am going to change old Sram GX AXS to new SRAM XX-sl after this season. I want to keep old shifter and old cranks, but change cassette, chain and derailer.
Great video as always!! Can I use just the T-Type cranks on my V3 Santa Cruz Bronson that has 53mm chain line? Would still be using my current Sram cassette and derailuer.
Note that the old XX1 crankset was also available in an 8 bolt version for the quarq powermeter and it's for sale in a lot of places now. I use this with the new xx chainring and 'old' XO 12sp chain.
So I just bought an old XX1 dub wide crankset 8 bolt version unknowingly in Dub Wide. The rest of my drive train xx1 cassette and GX derailleur. I'm unsure what chainring will work with this. Did you just buy the new SRAM version T-Type chainring as well and it works with the old stuff? Or is there a NON T-Type chainring that is 8 bolt?
@@jrod0981 t-type chainring will work, the teeth are the same. Just be aware to buy the right offset. But of you bought a Wide while you didnt need it, does it fit in the frame without spacers?!
@@janvanrookhuijzen8309 I bought the dub wide knowing I needed it for a Yeti ARC which uses that specific spindle length. I just didn't know it was an 8 bolt version instead of traditional 3 bolt. I didn't know if the T-Type chainrings would work, or if I should sell this and try to find a traditional 3 bolt style crankset. I need a 3mm offset. The original crankset that came preinstalled has some spacers on it already and I will just transfer those over.
just got a used t-type cassette, derailleur, and chain and I'm using my old crankset. Should I get a 0mm off set chainring to get the 55mm chainline or keep the normal one?
@@LoveMTB I also have been thinking of doing this. I put on a T-Type cassette and derailleur on my Kenevo SL using the original ring and cranset. No problem. I now want to put one on my Tracer with 5Dev cranks, and dont want to switch to new cranks, spindle and ring unless I absolutely had to. I love my 5dev arms.
@@LoveMTB What about offset? Do i need to change to a 0mm to make the new transmission 55mm chain lone or can I continue to use my normal 3mm dub spindle and ring? it does say it compatible with ttpe, but I worry about the chainline is all. Confusing stuff.
Good detailed video. BTW bash guards are a good way to uglify your cranks / bike. The new style isn't any prettier so Its good to see they made them easy to remove. You may not fit a guide with them in place either so you might wana consider a tensioner (OR some kneepads and a jockstrap so your ready for the chain falls).
I have last year's Scott spark rc with an "old" XO AXS transmission. Now I would like a power meter for my bike, so it seems that buying new XO cranks with a power meter will be almost the cheapest option.
I now have new cranks with a wattmeter on the bike. It went in place and works well. The new cranks didn't come with pedal end protectors, and I can't find them in any store. However, those cranks are aluminum, so they are not that important.
Thanks for the vid. I’m getting a new bike and looking to use new GX transmission derailleur, cassette and new flat top chain with older Eagle GX cranks and chainring. Will that work ok? Will I need a chainring with different offset?
You should be fine...let us know how you like it! As for your old chainring, there are new 3rd party ones that might work better/ give you the 55mm chainline but I would try your old one first.
Are you using any of the T-Type stuff on your ARC? I bought an 8 bolt old XX1 crankset mistakenly. I'm wondering if I use a T-Type chainring, if it will work with the older GX and X0 chains since I have a mix of components on my ARC that I am building. xx1 cassette and GX derailleur.
1997 XTR Triples with gargantuan 24/34/46 and funnily enough - 8 bolts/nuts - weighed 680g. SRAM is mocking you all. Shimano should just reissue old XTR 952 in 2x10 with a clutch and 11-42 and be done with it.
Is it decided that you cannot use a T-type crankset with the old eagle axs derailleur/cassette? Due the the chainline? 52 vs 55? as there is not currently a +6mm offset chainring for the wider crank? Or will the eagle axs derailleur/cassette work fine with the 55mm chainline?
@@LoveMTB Thanks for the reply! I'm so confused..... Everyone says that "all ttype transmission cranks are "dub wide" hence a 3mm offset chain ring will accomplish a 55mm chainline.. correct? Well I just measured my ttype transmission cranks that are labeled "dub SL" and they measure 11.4 cm in length, which based on your video is the same as the old "dub regular" cranks which I would think would accomplish a 52mm chainline with the 3mm offset ring. Have you heard of this elusive "dub SL" ttype crank that isn't "wide"?
@@EvsRealEstate I believe they did that for a narrower Q-factor. I wouldn't sweat it as long as you install the BB with the proper spacers. I have this video about that - th-cam.com/video/t0X3nlwOoAQ/w-d-xo.html and also plan to use T-Type with 52 mm chainline cranks.
Good information, thanks. Are you able to confirm if a T-type left crank is compatible with the previous right side DUB? I'd like to add the new left side power meter to my existing DUB Wide crankset.
Hey there I can confirm that T-type left crank is will FIT the previous right side DUB and you can tighten the bolt. Can't speak about being a perfect fit or exactly the same but there is a high chance that they are.
Is the 32T chainring that comes with the new cranks a 3mm offset? Thinking of ordering but want 34T chainring to maintain the 55mm chain line and not sure what to order. Thanks
The main goal of SRAM as a company is to destroy everything they touch. Everything since SRAM coming of age has been more expensive, more complex, heavier, uglier and prone to planned obsolescence
is there any compatible 160mm crank arms that work with T-Transmission? I got 175mm GX T-Type, and while there ae 165mm available, I really want to try out the 160mm one.
Hola !!!!! Puede colocarse algun potenciometro Quarq en ese modelo XXSL que no sea del otro tipo de modelo que trae ese tipo de plato mas complicado de cambiar ???
@@LoveMTB Muchas gracias ! Me pareció ver otro dispositivo de Quarq que va en el centro del eje pedalier y podría usarse para este modelo palancas XXSL que no lo trae de serie por eso consultaba
Would there be a benefit at all to switching to a t-type crank, t-type chain and t-type cassette and use a previous generation AXS derailleur? Wondering for frames that aren't compatible with UDH, if using this combo would have any benefit at all
I saw the cassette video. The new T-type cassette sits 2.5mm out. That means the 10t cog will rub the frame unless you use the new T-type derailleur that gives it clearance. SRAM thought of every way to screw hybrid systems.
X0 for sure. Installed a 6mm offset chainring to bring back the chainline to 52mm boost so I can run old Eagle cassette and RD and chain. Just cuz I wanted the new cranks for a new build but didn’t want to go full Transmission.
@@_Wasd135 Croder Cycling - 6mm offset, 8-bolt, and comes in 30T to 42T and fully CNC machined. I can vouch for the quality. It's made in Taiwan just like SRAM stuff. Thank me later!
Trying to figure this all out and have a old school GX eagle drive train and my crank spindle is worn out. Did you make any other mods to the new crank? And how does the 6mm offset chainring bring the chain line back to a 52mm?
@@ChrisCorless The new cranks are 3mm longer on each side. It comes with a 3mm offset chainring. That combo is a 55mm chainline. So to get a 52mm chainline with these new cranks, I just need to bring the chainring inboard by another 3mm, so that’s what a 6mm offset chainring will accomplish.
Do you think sram will provide T-Type Chainring for x01/xx1 cranksets ( With 3 bolts ) ? ( I allready have a X01 cranksets in 55m with my sparc rc, and even if you said it compatible with old chainring, it's probably better to use T-type chainring with t-type chain ? )
I do not know but I do not believe so, you’ll have to rely on 3rd parties more than happy to provide that. Companies like SRAM are forward looking they want to sell you the new kit/ crankset
Can we just use the Transmission cassette and chain on an Eagle shift and derailleur then? Seems like all the advancements are on the cassette and chain!
Thanks for this video ! Is the old eagle type chain fit the new t-type chainring ? I have the opportunity to buy a brand new GX t-type for my custom '24 sight frame thatnrequire a 55mm chainline... But i wan to use my "old" eagle axs drivetrain. Thanks ;)
Great video! - I have a 2023 unused Eagle GX crankset and chain-line is listed at 52mm. I am building up a new bike and going w/ T-Type GX mix and match (XO cassette, chain) old AXS controller and would like to use the old Eagle GX crank and wondering what chainring you recommend and if you think an oval would work ok? Thanks!
@@LoveMTB - Okay, but I understood that a 55mm chainline is required for T-type (at least that is what I gathered w/ the T-type Crank having a wide spindle).
I think if you use a 0 offset chainring, you'll be able to use your old cranks and have a 55mm chainline. Wolftooth makes a 0 offset chainring. @@BillKilbourne
Using slx groupset. I like it more than the gx 12s I had. Not sure if it's a problem with adjustment, maybe I hit a deraileur or what (but the bike shop said they checked everything and can't find any issues), and yeah idk, I just had issues with gx somehow, it would shift fine and then on the 500th shift it would act up on the ride.
@@LoveMTB last year I demoed a bike with GX AXS amazing shifting I will say. but cost and excessive chain slap were my only gripes. half the time I forget to charge my camera battery so what makes me think I remember to charge the AXS battery haha
I wonder if the new T type chain will provide any improvement in uphill/climb shifting with the Sram Eagle AXS cassettes? Have you tried? Thank you for the video!
That is already achieved with the current Eagle 12s easily. Given the price of the current chains I probably won't do that yet, waiting for the GX to show up ;)
@@LoveMTB I wish, I’d even pay the same price as the current transmission offerings/ imaging being able to grab/dump a bunch of gears regardless of using the shift ramp timing/// im all about that burly rear mech and the overall quietness of the transmission/ hell if sram doesn’t do it i’m positive someone will make one!!!!!
Apple™ Transmission® 😂 the only thing I like about SRAM is their cassette is 1 piece. Trying to figure out how those bash guards actually work?! Do they spin around or stay in place. chain waxing 👍🏻
@@LoveMTB in your opinion do you think sram better now than Shimano and Raceface On my RSD MIDDLECHILD I can’t use the new derailer or transmission as they call it but let’s say the cranks , I like the integrated bash guards , I’m guessing that the normal eagle cable derailer’s will be around for sometime.
@@wallyedmonds8199 if you’re ok with the 55mm chainline instead of 53 or ok to spend more $$ to get a 6mm offset chainring when available from 3rd parties
@@LoveMTB on my bike I can’t go 53 the ring would hit the chainstay . Think a lot of the new bikes that are not + size tires would work good and work better for 12 speed . And is the world getting ready for 13 speed lol
Don’t want sound negative. But I think this release is useless. It’s like the apple iPhone running out of features. The drivetrains were mature before this new set. I believe the previous is lighter all around. So what’s the gain? Am I missing something? (Great video as always)
The main gain is more robust derailleur with new mounting type, better shifting under load and potentially stronger chain. But there is also many downsides, for sure.
Out of 100 drivetrains with shifting problems 50 were caused by bent derailleur hangers. Another 20-30 by bad adjustments: limit screws, b-gap. This takes care of all that!
Looks like it. Think about it this way: if it’s all proprietary you end up with a system for life, too expensive to rip and replace. Hope it is not what they’re going for…
So the XO cranks are 109 grams heavier than XX. To me, the XO cranks look a lot better and $450 dollars less price to boot! I would love to save the 109 grams, but the XO look too damn good! I’m having the XO Transmission installed (2021 Stumpjumper Evo Carbon) at my LBS next Tuesday!
Both are shit with 8 bolts. Another standart for nothing. Use old descendant carbon cranks, with gxp bottom bracket and happy with it. Will change it for something else then it's die, not the new sram
I like LoveMTB Content. Like the way this guy presenting all the stuff. Just regular dude who loves bikes and all about bikes.🙂👍🏻🤝🏻 Still don't like the look of a new Transmission. I hope that i gett used to it with time.
i am buying now bike with old sram but i need to change crankset as it is 175 and i need 170 ... is there chance i can buy new T type crankset with powermeter and integrate it to older sram drivetrain ? maybe with new chainring as you mentioned by third party ? the thing is i dont want to use new T type chain because i have multiple 12 speed sram/shimano systems on other bikes and i want to have options to reuse same chains by KMC or YBN and not sram :D
You definitely have that option, get the power meter in the cranks axle (XX, X0) then use the 3rd party chainrings with 6mm offset to push your chainline back to 52mm. Problem solved!
Your expert knowledge would be elevated even further if you wearing a suit and tie, or perhaps something more akin to a professional mechanic. Dressing for success is never bad advice. 🚴🏼🚴🏼🚴🏼🫡
Чёрт возьми! Это лучший канал на YT, который я видел. Это первый человек, который так подробно и информативно рассказывает о новых компонентах Sram. Особенно, про новинки, информации о которых нет в интернете. У ведущего прекрасно поставлена речь, поэтому встроенный в YT переводчик отлично понимает и переводит на русский. Мы, велосипедисты в России с интересом смотрим ваш канал, и подписаны на него. Делимся впечатлениями, обсуждаем. Информация очень интересная и полезная. Спасибо вам за ваш труд! С нетерпением ждём новых роликов👋🏻🔥🙂
Love this content. No one else on TH-cam (or anywhere else I can find) is going this in-depth to answer the questions many of us have.
I’d like to see you do a video with the road and mountain flat-top chains. I’ve seen several people claim they couldn’t find a dimensional difference in real life. Thanks!
Glad to hear it! I have it lined up, thanks for the suggestion!🤓
Damn that’s a lot more weight than the old cranksets
My new older carbon x01 came in @ 477g with everything included (boots and pedal washers too)
but old ones DO TWIST
@@esshoul I’m talking about the most recent x01 crankset
Very Stiff
@@XCRiders i like the idea that its a little bit heavier, becouse 2 of my friends broke the eagle ones and the stuff we are riding is not so friendly for the bike. a few grams heavier, but way stronger
The new t-type X01 is now more like the last iteration of the GX than it is XX. Seems like they didn't want the X01 and XX to be similar anymore just to make sure anyone looking for weight savings HAVE to buy the XX.
Thanks so much for the explanation. This video led me to decide to use my old xx1 power meter with its crank and chainring with the new T Type chain, and save a lot of money. thank you so much
No worries. Would love to hear how you like the new drivetrain!
Hello, did the set up work well?
Hi, the set up works perfectly. This run 1.500 km
Thank you
What dub spindle width do you have? Is it the same as the new width of the t type stuff
Great comparison!
One small correction regarding to the available spindle lengths: There is an XX SL non wide crankset. To achieve the 55 mm chainline it utilizes a 0 mm offset chainring.
Thanks for checking the T-type chain with older chainring. Seems like it would work with lighter carbon cranks and the new transmission derailleur!
Yes indeed more about that soon!
Great video! Love the detail you put into your content. Have a great season.
Thanks! And likewise, happy trails!
A quick note on chainlines and the need to go to 56.5-57 mm to accomodate wide tires: I have an old frame which was designed at a time when we only had 9 speed drivetrains with sub-50 mm chainline, but it still can take a 3.0 inch tyre. And if you do the math, a 49 mm chainline results in 8.4 mm clearance between a 12 speed chain and a 3.0 inch tyre (a little less when using lower gears).
I have old XX1 Quarq cranks with 8-bolt chainring mount with new XX chainring and it works all right with old chain
Should work just fine with the old chain indeed, thanks for sharing
Why not just use the old chainring from the XX1 era? I'm sure you can still buy those. There could be several reasons. I just wonder why you did it.
@@gebhardt2 theres is no 8-bolt chainring 32-34 teeth with 3 mm offset
@@gebhardt2 and you can buy 8-bolt xx1 cranks damn cheap
Totally agree, the XO cranks looks waaay better IMO. They're look awesome!
Probably the best looking Alu cranks in the market
Their a perfect match for srams old xx 10 speed derailleur with the square hole cut out..
i have the xx version and when i wanted to mount the cranks i was scared that it did not wanted to fit. Very nice to see that that is possible. Now i just need to find the spacers that go between the frame and my bb. Crazy btw how much better the xx groupset is compared to my 'old' x01 eagle groupset. I especially like how stiff the clutch is on the xx one and how easy it is to service without having to buy a new shift cable and stuff, crazy good transmission
You always bring great reviews!! Congratulations!!! Here, I'm still happy with me XT 2x11... 😊
Thanks Vinicio🙂
Well finally! I found a video that explains this quite well. I wanted to put the bashguard chainring on my existing truvativs... but it seems it won't work. Looks like I'll have to mow some lawns after work!
Yup 🤣🤣
Great video!! Can i use just the T-type cranks with my old gx derailleur and casstte include the chain? Just to replace my old gx eagle dub cranks.. thanks
@@casszane id love to know this
@@dangrows_za4798 me too
@@dangrows_za4798 same here
Shockingly, the type t xo cranks are heavy 110 grams more than the xx. That’s about 1/4 pound. For me, that is an important number. Great video. Thanks.
From this video? Sure but the x0 cranks here are 165mm and the xx cranks here are 170mm. Not a true comparison.
@@chrisrnz 165mm to 170mm probably not that significant of a difference. X01 used to weigh only 50 grams heavier than XX1 cranks. So 100+ is significant. Seems like X0/X01 got the biggest weight penalty of the new t-type change. In fact, the last gen GX is lighter than the new X0.
Thanks for the many useful information
nice vid. I'm not a sram user but it's great to see the comparison anyway.
Thanks more to come
Awesome deep dive into the new sram cranks thankyou for that!!! I'm with you I like the looks of the xo better...
Thanks Glenn they look even better in real life
I have the new SRAM XX T type mount in my old GX 12 Speed, with Shimano chain, not problem at all, I believe since there it’s no difference, the chain haven’t felt once. Work perfectly ❤. I change it for my old GX crank only for the weight loss.
Many thanks for the information regarding chainline etc.
Keep up your good work 👍
I don't run any SRAM cranks on my Eagle drivetrain, 'cause there's no offer for 172.5 mm cranks (as I use for Road and Gravel). So I went to the third party manufacturer Leonardi Racing who supports the DUB standard and both interfaces for the chainring (3-bolt and 8-bolt)!
I don't get it, why SRAM is optimizing their drivetrains without any consideration of the crank lengths as that is usual by all parties in the Road sector. There's a need for 2.5mm steps, when efficiency through power transfer is proclaimed as one big thing.
Several lengths in one crank could be achieved by inserts, similar to Look Three Lobe.
i don't get the backward-compatiblity-part :(
on the SRAM website I found the following: "Eagle Transmission T-Type chainrings are compatible with Eagle chains, so they can be used on Eagle Drivetrains when mounted to an Eagle Transmission crankset. However, Non-T-Type Eagle Drivetrain chainrings are incompatible with Eagle Transmission T-Type chains."
yet, the back of the chainring in your video at 5:28 shows "SRAM T-Type Chains only" - doesn't that contradict each other?
i'd like to get a powermeter for my non-UDH MTB and i'm wondering if i could use the new XX SL Crankset for example... :(
Yes you can as I mentioned in the video. Be careful with all details of the SL when it comes to bike fit and chainline
@@LoveMTB thanks, must have missed the part where you mentioned that it's possible anyway :) i chose sl since my current crank isn't dub wide... interestingly in most of the onlineshops where you can order the crank they don't mention if the included chainring is 0 or 3mm offset,... current chainring on my bike is 3mm so i guess i'll have to wait and see whats included ^^
8 T20 bolts to change a chainring?!!!? What are they thinking? GXP still working on my main MTB.
more bolts always better than less bolts
🤣🤣🤣
And they are wimpy bolts/ im curious to know what led to this change/ i say if it ain’t broke don’t fix it/
They're just fücking with us.
It's too easy to just use old cranks if the T-type chain doesn't matter.
I am going to change old Sram GX AXS to new SRAM XX-sl after this season. I want to keep old shifter and old cranks, but change cassette, chain and derailer.
Yup you should be fine.
Look at that, another solution in search of a problem.
Not really a solution companies change/ adjust their products all the time
@@LoveMTB You're saying the same thing. Changing products without fixing problems doesn't create value for customers.
Great video as always!! Can I use just the T-Type cranks on my V3 Santa Cruz Bronson that has 53mm chain line? Would still be using my current Sram cassette and derailuer.
Yes you can! Let us know how you like it
Thanks for the quick response@@LoveMTB . The 2mm difference in chain line is ok?
@@mtbkid9254 Not ideal but it will work
@@mtbkid9254 It should be ok
@@mtbkid9254 Hi, Did You have chance to test it?? I want to use new x01 crank set on old 52mm chainline bike.
Note that the old XX1 crankset was also available in an 8 bolt version for the quarq powermeter and it's for sale in a lot of places now. I use this with the new xx chainring and 'old' XO 12sp chain.
Thanks for sharing!
So I just bought an old XX1 dub wide crankset 8 bolt version unknowingly in Dub Wide. The rest of my drive train xx1 cassette and GX derailleur. I'm unsure what chainring will work with this. Did you just buy the new SRAM version T-Type chainring as well and it works with the old stuff? Or is there a NON T-Type chainring that is 8 bolt?
@@jrod0981 t-type chainring will work, the teeth are the same. Just be aware to buy the right offset. But of you bought a Wide while you didnt need it, does it fit in the frame without spacers?!
@@janvanrookhuijzen8309 I bought the dub wide knowing I needed it for a Yeti ARC which uses that specific spindle length. I just didn't know it was an 8 bolt version instead of traditional 3 bolt. I didn't know if the T-Type chainrings would work, or if I should sell this and try to find a traditional 3 bolt style crankset. I need a 3mm offset. The original crankset that came preinstalled has some spacers on it already and I will just transfer those over.
@@jrod0981 then don't worry and just buy the new chainring. Works perfect with the 'old' chain.
just got a used t-type cassette, derailleur, and chain and I'm using my old crankset. Should I get a 0mm off set chainring to get the 55mm chainline or keep the normal one?
Check out my install video for t-type I’m using the old cranks and chainline
@@LoveMTB I also have been thinking of doing this. I put on a T-Type cassette and derailleur on my Kenevo SL using the original ring and cranset. No problem. I now want to put one on my Tracer with 5Dev cranks, and dont want to switch to new cranks, spindle and ring unless I absolutely had to. I love my 5dev arms.
@@Acill You should be able to. Check with 5Dev just like Garbaruk I believe their rings are ttype compatible!
@@LoveMTB What about offset? Do i need to change to a 0mm to make the new transmission 55mm chain lone or can I continue to use my normal 3mm dub spindle and ring? it does say it compatible with ttpe, but I worry about the chainline is all. Confusing stuff.
@@Acill check my Ttype installation video for more on that 😉
Good detailed video. BTW bash guards are a good way to uglify your cranks / bike. The new style isn't any prettier so Its good to see they made them easy to remove. You may not fit a guide with them in place either so you might wana consider a tensioner (OR some kneepads and a jockstrap so your ready for the chain falls).
Yup 2 bolts and they're gone!
I have last year's Scott spark rc with an "old" XO AXS transmission. Now I would like a power meter for my bike, so it seems that buying new XO cranks with a power meter will be almost the cheapest option.
Most probably and most elegant. Just remember the 55mm chainline...
Good thing the 22 spark rc wc IS 55mm chain line with wide dub so it’s a perfect match! I have the same desire with mine 😊
I now have new cranks with a wattmeter on the bike. It went in place and works well. The new cranks didn't come with pedal end protectors, and I can't find them in any store. However, those cranks are aluminum, so they are not that important.
Thanks for the vid. I’m getting a new bike and looking to use new GX transmission derailleur, cassette and new flat top chain with older Eagle GX cranks and chainring. Will that work ok? Will I need a chainring with different offset?
You should be fine...let us know how you like it! As for your old chainring, there are new 3rd party ones that might work better/ give you the 55mm chainline but I would try your old one first.
Are you using any of the T-Type stuff on your ARC? I bought an 8 bolt old XX1 crankset mistakenly. I'm wondering if I use a T-Type chainring, if it will work with the older GX and X0 chains since I have a mix of components on my ARC that I am building. xx1 cassette and GX derailleur.
Will work just fine with an old Eagle chain
@@LoveMTB Thank you. Are you running an oval on your ARC?
Hang on... so can I install the new XO cranks w the old GX chainring? Or do I have to use the new chainring? Gonna watch your cassette video now too
Take a closer look, old chainring does not fit the new cranks😉
Bb? Is not a thing aymore in weighting a crankset, add bb to frame weight?
Have to use old bb. Or order separate new one?
So we can go back to get 52mm chain line witch t-type crank? I really like X0 crank and wondering if i can put it to my eagle drivetrain.
Sheck out the 3rd party chainrings with 6mm offset. Then you're back at 52mm chainline.
Great video, lame products. XX at 560 g for many $$$ vs. my SLX M7100 crank w. Unite 34T chainring at 570 g for 125 EUR. Better value for sure.
Yup I did that comparison last year, Shimano Alu with 3rd party chainrings are hard to beat
1997 XTR Triples with gargantuan 24/34/46 and funnily enough - 8 bolts/nuts - weighed 680g. SRAM is mocking you all.
Shimano should just reissue old XTR 952 in 2x10 with a clutch and 11-42 and be done with it.
Is it decided that you cannot use a T-type crankset with the old eagle axs derailleur/cassette? Due the the chainline? 52 vs 55? as there is not currently a +6mm offset chainring for the wider crank? Or will the eagle axs derailleur/cassette work fine with the 55mm chainline?
I am planning to use the new cranks with the old EAGLE drivetrain...
@@LoveMTB Thanks for the reply! I'm so confused..... Everyone says that "all ttype transmission cranks are "dub wide" hence a 3mm offset chain ring will accomplish a 55mm chainline.. correct? Well I just measured my ttype transmission cranks that are labeled "dub SL" and they measure 11.4 cm in length, which based on your video is the same as the old "dub regular" cranks which I would think would accomplish a 52mm chainline with the 3mm offset ring. Have you heard of this elusive "dub SL" ttype crank that isn't "wide"?
@@EvsRealEstate I believe they did that for a narrower Q-factor. I wouldn't sweat it as long as you install the BB with the proper spacers. I have this video about that - th-cam.com/video/t0X3nlwOoAQ/w-d-xo.html and also plan to use T-Type with 52 mm chainline cranks.
Good information, thanks. Are you able to confirm if a T-type left crank is compatible with the previous right side DUB? I'd like to add the new left side power meter to my existing DUB Wide crankset.
Hey there I can confirm that T-type left crank is will FIT the previous right side DUB and you can tighten the bolt. Can't speak about being a perfect fit or exactly the same but there is a high chance that they are.
Do the new cranks work with an old Gx Eagle drivetrain?
Yes but be aware of the 55mm chainline like I mentioned in the video
Is the 32T chainring that comes with the new cranks a 3mm offset? Thinking of ordering but want 34T chainring to maintain the 55mm chain line and not sure what to order. Thanks
God if only shimano and sram could agree on standards, like with chainring mounts, would make consumers lives a lot better
Afraid their goal is the exact opposite lock you into their system for the life of the bike!?
The main goal of SRAM as a company is to destroy everything they touch. Everything since SRAM coming of age has been more expensive, more complex, heavier, uglier and prone to planned obsolescence
Hello. I got a question. I i would use narrow wide chainring not from SRAM, would t-type transmision thing still function well?
If the chainring is made to work well with Tyoe also for sure.
is there any compatible 160mm crank arms that work with T-Transmission? I got 175mm GX T-Type, and while there ae 165mm available, I really want to try out the 160mm one.
Get any 160mm that provides an aftermarket chairing option that’s Ttype compatible?
So are these new xo cranks and chainrings definitely compatible with the GX eagle chain etc?
Yes they are
@@LoveMTB great, thanks
Can the XO T-type crank compatible on Hope BB30?thanks
Question is if the DUB cranks are compatible with your frame and I would be surprised if they weren’t
Hola !!!!! Puede colocarse algun potenciometro Quarq en ese modelo XXSL que no sea del otro tipo de modelo que trae ese tipo de plato mas complicado de cambiar ???
Estoy bastante seguro de que no funcionará mezclando los 2, pero la gente usó bielas/potencia Quark viejas con la nueva transmisión T-Type.
@@LoveMTB Muchas gracias ! Me pareció ver otro dispositivo de Quarq que va en el centro del eje pedalier y podría usarse para este modelo palancas XXSL que no lo trae de serie por eso consultaba
Would there be a benefit at all to switching to a t-type crank, t-type chain and t-type cassette and use a previous generation AXS derailleur? Wondering for frames that aren't compatible with UDH, if using this combo would have any benefit at all
WOn't work, wait for the cassette video😉
I saw the cassette video. The new T-type cassette sits 2.5mm out. That means the 10t cog will rub the frame unless you use the new T-type derailleur that gives it clearance. SRAM thought of every way to screw hybrid systems.
X0 for sure. Installed a 6mm offset chainring to bring back the chainline to 52mm boost so I can run old Eagle cassette and RD and chain. Just cuz I wanted the new cranks for a new build but didn’t want to go full Transmission.
Yeah I like them minus the weight!
Where did you find a 8 bolt chainring with 6mm offset? I thought about the same and i can only find 6mm offset with 40t or more for road.
@@_Wasd135 Croder Cycling - 6mm offset, 8-bolt, and comes in 30T to 42T and fully CNC machined. I can vouch for the quality. It's made in Taiwan just like SRAM stuff. Thank me later!
Trying to figure this all out and have a old school GX eagle drive train and my crank spindle is worn out. Did you make any other mods to the new crank? And how does the 6mm offset chainring bring the chain line back to a 52mm?
@@ChrisCorless The new cranks are 3mm longer on each side. It comes with a 3mm offset chainring. That combo is a 55mm chainline. So to get a 52mm chainline with these new cranks, I just need to bring the chainring inboard by another 3mm, so that’s what a 6mm offset chainring will accomplish.
So do I order the 'Dub wide' BB to go with the new T series cranks?
Yes thats correct
Do you think sram will provide T-Type Chainring for x01/xx1 cranksets ( With 3 bolts ) ? ( I allready have a X01 cranksets in 55m with my sparc rc, and even if you said it compatible with old chainring, it's probably better to use T-type chainring with t-type chain ? )
I do not know but I do not believe so, you’ll have to rely on 3rd parties more than happy to provide that. Companies like SRAM are forward looking they want to sell you the new kit/ crankset
Hello, I have a wireless GX derailleur from the first, I would like to know if putting the new GX sprocket with a GX FLAT chain could work for me
Can we just use the Transmission cassette and chain on an Eagle shift and derailleur then? Seems like all the advancements are on the cassette and chain!
Wait for my next vid on cassettes to get the extended answer to that question🤓
No. The T-type cassette sticks-out 2.5mm more. The 10t cog will rub the frame.
Thanks for this video ! Is the old eagle type chain fit the new t-type chainring ?
I have the opportunity to buy a brand new GX t-type for my custom '24 sight frame thatnrequire a 55mm chainline... But i wan to use my "old" eagle axs drivetrain.
Thanks ;)
Garbaruk chainring works with t type chain ?
The one I have works just fine!
Great video! - I have a 2023 unused Eagle GX crankset and chain-line is listed at 52mm. I am building up a new bike and going w/ T-Type GX mix and match (XO cassette, chain) old AXS controller and would like to use the old Eagle GX crank and wondering what chainring you recommend and if you think an oval would work ok? Thanks!
We’re going to use a 52mm chainline w t-type and a Garbaruk oval
@@LoveMTB - Okay, but I understood that a 55mm chainline is required for T-type (at least that is what I gathered w/ the T-type Crank having a wide spindle).
@@BillKilbourne correct but 52mm won’t break it
I think if you use a 0 offset chainring, you'll be able to use your old cranks and have a 55mm chainline. Wolftooth makes a 0 offset chainring. @@BillKilbourne
Problem is.. SRAM say that the new t type cranks dosnt work with old cassette and chain
Actually they say that it is the only component that works with the older drivetrains
Will the T type chainring fit on the old 3 bolt system?
How? Have them side by side in the video
The answer is no. The old 3-bolt system doesn't fit the new 8-bolt system.
Using slx groupset. I like it more than the gx 12s I had. Not sure if it's a problem with adjustment, maybe I hit a deraileur or what (but the bike shop said they checked everything and can't find any issues), and yeah idk, I just had issues with gx somehow, it would shift fine and then on the 500th shift it would act up on the ride.
I wish manufacturers would stop messing with chainline
Thay've been doing it for a while, it is the bike manufacturers that want the 55mm not the drivetrain guys.
They keep moving it out so you can run fatter tires on a shorter chainstay.
looks nice but for now going to just ride my cable GX/XO1 for now Cheers
With you on that!
@@LoveMTB last year I demoed a bike with GX AXS amazing shifting I will say. but cost and excessive chain slap were my only gripes. half the time I forget to charge my camera battery so what makes me think I remember to charge the AXS battery haha
wow the cost blew me back in my seat think i will stick with raceface awhile longer on my mtb
I hear you 🤓
Does The gx crank is compatible for the new , t type chainring ??
I wonder if the new T type chain will provide any improvement in uphill/climb shifting with the Sram Eagle AXS cassettes? Have you tried? Thank you for the video!
That is already achieved with the current Eagle 12s easily. Given the price of the current chains I probably won't do that yet, waiting for the GX to show up ;)
What’s the difference between XX and XX SL?
A few grams as usual
Can I install the XO crank (wide) on my mtb (with a normal dub bottom bracket) will this mess with my chainline or not?
So, can I just get the fancy crank arms to make my SX dub look fancy?
you need 8-bolt chaingring tho
Kidding right??🤓
Anyone else wanting a cable actuated “transmission” ?
You know it’s coming right? 😇
@@LoveMTB I wish, I’d even pay the same price as the current transmission offerings/ imaging being able to grab/dump a bunch of gears regardless of using the shift ramp timing/// im all about that burly rear mech and the overall quietness of the transmission/ hell if sram doesn’t do it i’m positive someone will make one!!!!!
Disagree i use road flattop chain with my eagle cassette and it's works better than dedicated eagle chain. Is more quiet and smooth shifting
Good to know thanks for sharing!
Apple™ Transmission® 😂 the only thing I like about SRAM is their cassette is 1 piece. Trying to figure out how those bash guards actually work?! Do they spin around or stay in place. chain waxing 👍🏻
Actually wait for my vid on the cassettes…NO more one piece🤓 they spin with the chainring
Oh no! The comedy drama continues ha ha will tune in next week 🎉
Had the same thoughts about the bash guards, I think they’re hoping the pedal/crank arm would hit first in the open spots?
You definitely are the enCYCLOpedia.
It will be a Garbaruk crankset for sure
Do they have that already??
Great vid as always , don’t use sram tho cost is high , I use raceface and all the changes get really confusing lol
Indeed, why I try to cover the details kn my videos😉
@@LoveMTB in your opinion do you think sram better now than Shimano and Raceface
On my RSD MIDDLECHILD
I can’t use the new derailer or transmission as they call it but let’s say the cranks , I like the integrated bash guards , I’m guessing that the normal eagle cable derailer’s will be around for sometime.
@@wallyedmonds8199 if you’re ok with the 55mm chainline instead of 53 or ok to spend more $$ to get a 6mm offset chainring when available from 3rd parties
@@LoveMTB on my bike I can’t go 53 the ring would hit the chainstay . Think a lot of the new bikes that are not + size tires would work good and work better for 12 speed . And is the world getting ready for 13 speed lol
everyone wants to know if the t type chain will work on the old Eagle XG1299 cassette.
It could but it might ruin the shift ramps. Watch my vid on the T-type chains to see the difference
Don’t want sound negative. But I think this release is useless. It’s like the apple iPhone running out of features. The drivetrains were mature before this new set. I believe the previous is lighter all around. So what’s the gain? Am I missing something? (Great video as always)
The main gain is more robust derailleur with new mounting type, better shifting under load and potentially stronger chain. But there is also many downsides, for sure.
In 10 years transmission will will be seen as the first mtb drivetrain. It’s that good.
@@OscarHernandez-xx2je 😒
Out of 100 drivetrains with shifting problems 50 were caused by bent derailleur hangers. Another 20-30 by bad adjustments: limit screws, b-gap. This takes care of all that!
@@OscarHernandez-xx2je hehe
How long do you think before a 3rd party make an oval chainring for the T-type?
Hope soon but have no idea
Wolf tooth claim to be flat-top t-type compatible. Also Garbaruk & Alugear.
@@WordupG Nad as of today absoluteBlack and their ovals
Creat vid mate👍
It is !
More n more new standards to keep grabbing your money.
Looks like it. Think about it this way: if it’s all proprietary you end up with a system for life, too expensive to rip and replace. Hope it is not what they’re going for…
My old x01 carbon crank is lighter and cost a lot of money so i will continue using it
You can definitely do that
Have you done it? How well does it work?
Noty yet, son did not want to replace his XTR before the last couple races of the year. Soon though.@@gebhardt2
They are making them cheaper than before imo
So the XO cranks are 109 grams heavier than XX. To me, the XO cranks look a lot better and $450 dollars less price to boot! I would love to save the 109 grams, but the XO look too damn good! I’m having the XO Transmission installed (2021 Stumpjumper Evo Carbon) at my LBS next Tuesday!
Definitely let us know how you like it!!
bummer that the xo is no longer carbon
Indeed but they have 2 levels above it now. Whatever that means…
@@LoveMTB I've read somewhere that the new XX is actually similar to the 'old' X01, the XXsl is the old XX1. The new XO is more like the old GX.
My goodness XO looks way better.
why was my comment deleted?
re-post it and see if it happens again. it may have been a mistake.
Manda PDF site
The sram crank is not very strong. I just hit a rock and it bent. I didn't even fail. So I still won't use the new one.
22t
Both are shit with 8 bolts. Another standart for nothing. Use old descendant carbon cranks, with gxp bottom bracket and happy with it. Will change it for something else then it's die, not the new sram
I like LoveMTB Content. Like the way this guy presenting all the stuff. Just regular dude who loves bikes and all about bikes.🙂👍🏻🤝🏻
Still don't like the look of a new Transmission. I hope that i gett used to it with time.
B.t.w.: do you maybe have a recom. for asia carbon hardtail frames?
i am buying now bike with old sram but i need to change crankset as it is 175 and i need 170 ... is there chance i can buy new T type crankset with powermeter and integrate it to older sram drivetrain ? maybe with new chainring as you mentioned by third party ? the thing is i dont want to use new T type chain because i have multiple 12 speed sram/shimano systems on other bikes and i want to have options to reuse same chains by KMC or YBN and not sram :D
You definitely have that option, get the power meter in the cranks axle (XX, X0) then use the 3rd party chainrings with 6mm offset to push your chainline back to 52mm. Problem solved!
@@LoveMTB do you know some brands making those chainrings already for this new cranks ? thanks for reply love your videos
@@krempixxx believe Wolf Tooth has them. And maybe Garbaruk. And thanks 🙏
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