Run sram NX on my enduro bike for 2 years and changed to the deore last year and Sram nx falls apart after 3-5 months. Deore holds up still after 1 year. Its more reliable and it is a much better experience right form the start as the NX.
5:52 If I'm not mistaken. It's due to the the mounting to the RD hanger, it has play, which can effect shifting, but you can swap out the parts for the parts the higher end models use. And of course not having an adjustable(according to the internet) and replaceable clutch. So would be nice if you showed the clutch adjustment, that it actually does something. As every time I see someone asking if it's adjustable people reply that it's not. Some write Clutch Type 2 is adjustable but Type 3 is not. But that's a complaint about all of them. But Sram SX on the other hand, has plastic part at the rear with no cable guide wheel, and wood screws, so this fails.
@@EnclaveDesigns I''m not an experienced biker, but have owned quite a few bikes that seem to keep getting stolen. My Kona Dr. Dew was stolen a few weeks ago which had Shimano Deore that worked really well. Replaced it with a bike that has Advent X and while everyone felt I wouldn't like it, I really like the positive slam it makes when changing gears while using it the last few weeks. I"m fine with it and don't think I would pay the premium for a more expensive one for my needs.
I feel the Advent should get a bit higher on the maintenance score. As someone that rebuilds these worn out and resells them as a hobby. I don’t see many Advents at all but when I get one they are pretty easy to replace the clutch parts in. Also had a good chuckle when he said pounds instead of grams.
I use Deore M6100 SGS, super shifting as long as I lube the pivots, for that I use Muc Off MO95, I've not tried the shifter as I run Archer D1XTrail electronic system.I opted for Deore cus I knew the clutch would work well, and I can replace it, it's cheap, especially on the deals I got it for.
10:02 My Deore M6500 was at ca 600G, not sure on exact number the exact number 605 or maybe. Maybe my scale is not correct. But Garbaruk was around half of the weight at around 300g. But it is not a budget cassette, but cheaper and lighter than top offerings from Sram and Shimano, shifting is not as smooth when new, but after it wears in it's quite similar. So that's price directly from them, with added value tax and shipping, yes still cheaper.
I had SX and NX on bikes I bought not terrible when new and adjusted but derailleurs always came out of wack, it's not that fair since I'm coming from xt/xtr but I appreciate the sram clicky shifter, I now use a 12s 1:1 sram xo shifter with my TRP tr12 Gspec derailleur...
@@99spokes Bro even if it's 40g it's still lighter and it matters for some people. Some xc riders I know even swap there bolts for a lighter one even if it's 6grams or even 2 grams lighter, even the slightest gram savings they do it...40g is really small but still it will contribute to the overall lightness/weight of your bike.
@@ev-ezaye3580 not me, not my bike. The bike I own is 11400kilos and it's inexpensive. As stated in my comment above, "some XC racers I know" These people you might call Weight Winnies are in cat elite or higher at least in our place and theyd swap anything just to lighten up their bikes.
The NX detailer was fine & crisp but after 2 months it blow up also was under warranty got replacement but then I move to GX which the shifting is Amazing. Price has been low to $95 seems the quality is a bargain of what you get!!
Some people don’t like sram because of the feel, I actually also much prefer the sram shift feel, but I still change any bike with Sram to Shimano because Sram is unreliable. I’ve never had one that didn’t eventually wear out the fixing bolt and the cassette is just not quiet or consistent (compared to Shimano). My friend has been warrantied an SX and was upgraded to NX, then had to warranty the NX and was upgraded to GX and eventually that one wore out also… meanwhile my SLX and Deore drivetrains have been 100%. I’ve also had a NX and a GX and they’re trash other than the first week.
Agreed 100%, I love the feeling of an SRAM, but they do wear out quite fast. Unless you step up to an AXS and preferably the X01 made for Enduro or even the AXS GX, those are very well built. Except, of course, your ultra-expensive cassette are still going to wear down faster than a Shimano.
I’m a overweight Noob with zero fitness level and low knowledge about bikes. So I just ride for fun. I had the NX for two years and now the Deore. It shifts remarkable better and it’s easier to clean. Hard to explain and personal preference but I like the sound the Deore makes.
I have tried the microshift advent 9 speed as well as the deore drivetrain and I have to say, the deore feels way better if you combine it with an xt shifter. Way more responsive and crisp but still smooth. Also I can say something about the microshift clutch in longterm use. My clutch started to rust a bit after exposing it to extreme situations in winter. It's as good as new after disassembling and re greasing everything but something I came across.
My thinking is that although Deore might be the best option it could depend on the model / generation. I own a Kona Cinder Cone 2022 that features a Deore rear derailleur (standard from the bike manufacturer) and I am facing poor shifting and noises even if I am not riding so hard and although I have been through adjusting by shop specialists and chain checking result was OK. I saw that even new, out of the box Deore shifter (RD-M5100) has a side movement not acceptable which makes shifting imprecise.
So you would bump up AdventX if it came with a lighter cassette, but the set that was the lightest you scored the same as the heaviest AdventX.... Come on, thats pretty biased.
No, just a difference in the amount of weight savings. Deore was 40g less than AdventX, which I personally don’t think anyone would notice. AdventX with the alloy spider would have been 200g less than Deore, a very noticeable difference
I had a 9 speed Micro shift and then got a newer bike with deore and shifting feels better with Shimano. i run Xt now which is on another level, but surprising how they are cheap now compared to high end sram components.@@99spokes
I enjoyed your run down on mid priced drivetrains in the market. The big difference between these drivetrains isn't noticed in the first few rides though. They all are pretty decent right out of the box. It's after a year of hard use where issues show up. I've known more than one rider where an NX derailleur died after only several months and usually it's the clutch that goes. You mentioned SRAM's SX and its even worse. One local shop won't even sell any SX equipped bikes or components because they're so unreliable. Also I have two bikes one with Advent X and the other with Deore 12-speed on them and the difference in shifting performance is much better on the Shimano. This is what really matters the most, way more than a few grams or the way the clutch disengages. I disagree that more gears is not an advantage and certainly the cassette range is a tangible advantage (10-51T vs. 11-48T) that was not highlighted.
@@99spokes That's totally understandable, it would be a huge undertaking to try to long term test all 3 of these until failure was a possibility. Keep up the great content!
Feels like deore should get 5 5 5 4.5 5 for maintenance because its only the clutch lever, that’s just nitpicking 5 for weight because 40g is significant.. high end parts would cost $100 more just to shave off a few grams
Good question! It drivetrain lacked handy features that the others had, so while the advent x setup was easy to work on and didn’t need much fiddling to keep performing well, it lacked the fool proof clutch disengagement of NX and the built-in b tension gauge of Deore
I HAVE A TREK MARLIN 8 2022 SHRAM 12×1 ..WHEN ITS CLEAN AND OILED AND AJUSTED CORECT ,IT WORKS GREAT WITH NO PROBLEMS AT ALL ..MY CHAIN NEVER HAS FALEN OFF EVEN GOING REALLY FAST OVER REALY CHUNKY TRAILS ..IM SHURE THERE ARE BETTER ,BUT REALLY UNLESS YOU ARE PROFESIONAL YOU DONT NEED ANYTHING BETTER🚲👍
Not the case, though both Shimano and SRAM claim their drivetrains work better on their own cassettes. I’m currently running XT shifter and derailleur on a GX cassette because I was to lazy to buy a new freehub body 😂
As someone who "downgraded" from Deore to Advent X, I think you missed the mark on this. My Deore was on a fat bike, used for winter riding. Its issues became quite obvious: ghost shifting, need for tweaking, and stiff cold weather shifter action. My guess is that inability to test for long-term conditions maybe hampered the review some. Advent X is quite literally bombproof. You can fix it with a decent rock and a prayer to your favorite deity.
Actually advent x was the only drivetrain that developed issues during the short term testing window we had. Glad to hear yours is working well though!
During the pandemic parts shortage I saw SX sold for more than Deore, which was absurd, but grabbed Deore on a great deal, better than the common retailers. Prices are normal now.
My deore is smooth as silk while my brother's sram nx is kind of hard to shift. Pushing the lever with more force and not able to pull using the same lever for both high and low. The deore is just amazing on trails. By the way the NX "does not have a clutch". That so called clutch is used to remove the wheel and chain but aside from that it's all chain slap.
It actually does have a clutch, the mechanism you’re talking about is used to release the pressure of the clutch for removing the wheel. Different frame designs and of course frame protection impact chain noise a lot, so that may be some of the difference you’re hearing between yours and your friend’s bike
i think shimano derailleurs are crap. i went through three slx derailleurs in 7 months. all of them were catastrophic failures. each broke in a different spot. my nx 11 speed is on about 2 years now… clunky and fidgety but still alive
In my opinion, all Sram drive trains other than XO are utter shit for the price. Shimano makes the smoothest and least adjustment needed drive trains on the market unless you can live with a 10 speed, then the Microshift is easiest to set up and adjust from what I hear.
I have a microshift on my hardtail. Always been smooth and reliable. My full suspension has an XT and its also been butter. I just hate the silver cassette.
My Aventon Ramblas EMTB came equipped with NX group set. No issues at the first 1,200 km on a 100Nm motor. It slams into gear like it’s still mad about something you said last week… 😅
I guess it’s all relative 🤷♂️ Compared to a $1k AXS drivetrain $150 feels pretty budget, but your right, there are even more affordable options out there 🤙
Run sram NX on my enduro bike for 2 years and changed to the deore last year and Sram nx falls apart after 3-5 months. Deore holds up still after 1 year. Its more reliable and it is a much better experience right form the start as the NX.
Glad you’re stoked on your new setup, thanks for sharing!
This is the issue with sram drives, they actually feel amazing but they are super cheaply built.
Deore proven tested durablity since produced by shimano..
5:52 If I'm not mistaken. It's due to the the mounting to the RD hanger, it has play, which can effect shifting, but you can swap out the parts for the parts the higher end models use. And of course not having an adjustable(according to the internet) and replaceable clutch. So would be nice if you showed the clutch adjustment, that it actually does something. As every time I see someone asking if it's adjustable people reply that it's not. Some write Clutch Type 2 is adjustable but Type 3 is not.
But that's a complaint about all of them.
But Sram SX on the other hand, has plastic part at the rear with no cable guide wheel, and wood screws, so this fails.
The advent X is a no brainer, it's such a good unit for the price
For sure!! Though for just $40 more I think I’d personally opt for Deore. But I’ve spent a lot of time on Advent X in the past and really enjoyed it!
@@99spokes They perform so well! Never once had an issue with my Advant X
@@EnclaveDesigns I''m not an experienced biker, but have owned quite a few bikes that seem to keep getting stolen. My Kona Dr. Dew was stolen a few weeks ago which had Shimano Deore that worked really well. Replaced it with a bike that has Advent X and while everyone felt I wouldn't like it, I really like the positive slam it makes when changing gears while using it the last few weeks. I"m fine with it and don't think I would pay the premium for a more expensive one for my needs.
I feel the Advent should get a bit higher on the maintenance score. As someone that rebuilds these worn out and resells them as a hobby. I don’t see many Advents at all but when I get one they are pretty easy to replace the clutch parts in. Also had a good chuckle when he said pounds instead of grams.
Right on, thanks for sharing your experience with working on those!
I use Deore M6100 SGS, super shifting as long as I lube the pivots, for that I use Muc Off MO95, I've not tried the shifter as I run Archer D1XTrail electronic system.I opted for Deore cus I knew the clutch would work well, and I can replace it, it's cheap, especially on the deals I got it for.
10:02 My Deore M6500 was at ca 600G, not sure on exact number the exact number 605 or maybe. Maybe my scale is not correct. But Garbaruk was around half of the weight at around 300g. But it is not a budget cassette, but cheaper and lighter than top offerings from Sram and Shimano, shifting is not as smooth when new, but after it wears in it's quite similar. So that's price directly from them, with added value tax and shipping, yes still cheaper.
I run Advent X after almost 40 years of running XT. Nuff said.
Nice! Now the real question, would you buy AdventX again?
@@99spokes yes.. As a matter of fact I equipped my salsa Journeyer with Acolyte.
Advent X has released a V.2 upgraded derailleur in the group-set and it's noticeably smoother.
True! Haven’t had a chance to ride it yet but I’ve heard good things!
I had SX and NX on bikes I bought not terrible when new and adjusted but derailleurs always came out of wack, it's not that fair since I'm coming from xt/xtr but I appreciate the sram clicky shifter, I now use a 12s 1:1 sram xo shifter with my TRP tr12 Gspec derailleur...
Nice! How is that working for you?
Why didn't you give the Deore a score of 5 when it is the lightest among the three? 40 g is really unnoticeable but still, Deore was the lightest.
Haha because of exactly what you said, 40 grams is the difference of a few sips of water out of your bottle, nothing that will be noticeable
@@99spokes Bro even if it's 40g it's still lighter and it matters for some people.
Some xc riders I know even swap there bolts for a lighter one even if it's 6grams or even 2 grams lighter, even the slightest gram savings they do it...40g is really small but still it will contribute to the overall lightness/weight of your bike.
@@LJdynamo2024Not... how engrossed you must be to notice your bicycle being 40g heavier! You're like the Princess and the 🫛
@@LJdynamo2024 I hope those people take a sh*t before they go riding.
@@ev-ezaye3580 not me, not my bike. The bike I own is 11400kilos and it's inexpensive.
As stated in my comment above, "some XC racers I know" These people you might call Weight Winnies are in cat elite or higher at least in our place and theyd swap anything just to lighten up their bikes.
Great review, the only thing that I’m not quite sure of is that I didn’t hear you mention what chain you used with each group set.
Good call! I used a Deore and NX for each of those and a 10 speed KMC chain for the Advent X
The NX detailer was fine & crisp but after 2 months it blow up also was under warranty got replacement but then I move to GX which the shifting is Amazing. Price has been low to $95 seems the quality is a bargain of what you get!!
Right on, thanks for sharing!!
Great video! Is this the version 2 advent x rear derailleur?
Thank you! It’s the version 1, those version to derailleurs are still pretty hard to come by!
Some people don’t like sram because of the feel, I actually also much prefer the sram shift feel, but I still change any bike with Sram to Shimano because Sram is unreliable. I’ve never had one that didn’t eventually wear out the fixing bolt and the cassette is just not quiet or consistent (compared to Shimano). My friend has been warrantied an SX and was upgraded to NX, then had to warranty the NX and was upgraded to GX and eventually that one wore out also… meanwhile my SLX and Deore drivetrains have been 100%.
I’ve also had a NX and a GX and they’re trash other than the first week.
Agreed 100%, I love the feeling of an SRAM, but they do wear out quite fast. Unless you step up to an AXS and preferably the X01 made for Enduro or even the AXS GX, those are very well built. Except, of course, your ultra-expensive cassette are still going to wear down faster than a Shimano.
I’m a overweight Noob with zero fitness level and low knowledge about bikes. So I just ride for fun. I had the NX for two years and now the Deore. It shifts remarkable better and it’s easier to clean. Hard to explain and personal preference but I like the sound the Deore makes.
Right on, thanks for sharing your experience!
I have tried the microshift advent 9 speed as well as the deore drivetrain and I have to say, the deore feels way better if you combine it with an xt shifter. Way more responsive and crisp but still smooth. Also I can say something about the microshift clutch in longterm use. My clutch started to rust a bit after exposing it to extreme situations in winter. It's as good as new after disassembling and re greasing everything but something I came across.
Yep, that XT shifter makes a huge difference, I love double tapping up gears! And good to know about the cassette, thanks for sharing!
The best Deore very good.
I see Advent X wins. Add $20 for the cassette
Deore 18 Advent 17.5 Sram 16.5 how did advent win?
My thinking is that although Deore might be the best option it could depend on the model / generation. I own a Kona Cinder Cone 2022 that features a Deore rear derailleur (standard from the bike manufacturer) and I am facing poor shifting and noises even if I am not riding so hard and although I have been through adjusting by shop specialists and chain checking result was OK. I saw that even new, out of the box Deore shifter (RD-M5100) has a side movement not acceptable which makes shifting imprecise.
That could very well be! We tested their 12 speed setup (M6100)
In trafic on the street it can be dangerous a bad working drivetrain
True!!
So you would bump up AdventX if it came with a lighter cassette, but the set that was the lightest you scored the same as the heaviest AdventX.... Come on, thats pretty biased.
No, just a difference in the amount of weight savings. Deore was 40g less than AdventX, which I personally don’t think anyone would notice. AdventX with the alloy spider would have been 200g less than Deore, a very noticeable difference
@@99spokesNot to a 300 pound man.
Microshift is solid for what u pay.. deore is bomb proof never had the sram nx
Yeah, they’re definitely all pretty dialed! As Deore grows increasingly inexpensive it makes it an easier pick for me!
I had a 9 speed Micro shift and then got a newer bike with deore and shifting feels better with Shimano. i run Xt now which is on another level, but surprising how they are cheap now compared to high end sram components.@@99spokes
I enjoyed your run down on mid priced drivetrains in the market. The big difference between these drivetrains isn't noticed in the first few rides though. They all are pretty decent right out of the box. It's after a year of hard use where issues show up. I've known more than one rider where an NX derailleur died after only several months and usually it's the clutch that goes. You mentioned SRAM's SX and its even worse. One local shop won't even sell any SX equipped bikes or components because they're so unreliable.
Also I have two bikes one with Advent X and the other with Deore 12-speed on them and the difference in shifting performance is much better on the Shimano. This is what really matters the most, way more than a few grams or the way the clutch disengages. I disagree that more gears is not an advantage and certainly the cassette range is a tangible advantage (10-51T vs. 11-48T) that was not highlighted.
As a one-man team it’s pretty tough for me to crank out long term reviews, but I agree that would have been ideal!
@@99spokes That's totally understandable, it would be a huge undertaking to try to long term test all 3 of these until failure was a possibility. Keep up the great content!
Our LBS will automatically replace the SRAM SX that used to come on Trek Marlin with NX if you had any problems.
Feels like deore should get
5 5 5 4.5
5 for maintenance because its only the clutch lever, that’s just nitpicking
5 for weight because 40g is significant.. high end parts would cost $100 more just to shave off a few grams
Sounds like we came away with a pretty similar score then!
Is the noise normal with the clutch activated when stretching the derailleur in advent derailleur?
The ratcheting noise? Yes, the MicroSHIFT clutch uses a pawl system and that’s what you’re hearing
The Advent seemed like it deserved a 5 on maintenance. I’m confused as to why it didn’t.
Good question! It drivetrain lacked handy features that the others had, so while the advent x setup was easy to work on and didn’t need much fiddling to keep performing well, it lacked the fool proof clutch disengagement of NX and the built-in b tension gauge of Deore
Tldr: deore.
Which deraileur can work with an 11 speed xd 9-42 cassette?
Acolyte, Advent, Advent X will.
I HAVE A TREK MARLIN 8 2022 SHRAM 12×1 ..WHEN ITS CLEAN AND OILED AND AJUSTED CORECT ,IT WORKS GREAT WITH NO PROBLEMS AT ALL ..MY CHAIN NEVER HAS FALEN OFF EVEN GOING REALLY FAST OVER REALY CHUNKY TRAILS ..IM SHURE THERE ARE BETTER ,BUT REALLY UNLESS YOU ARE PROFESIONAL YOU DONT NEED ANYTHING BETTER🚲👍
OKAY
Deore only works correctly with Deore cassettes. On the other hand, srams still have decent shifting with low quality cassettes. So, consider this.
Not the case, though both Shimano and SRAM claim their drivetrains work better on their own cassettes. I’m currently running XT shifter and derailleur on a GX cassette because I was to lazy to buy a new freehub body 😂
I would be more logical to work with up to 3 points per round
As someone who "downgraded" from Deore to Advent X, I think you missed the mark on this. My Deore was on a fat bike, used for winter riding. Its issues became quite obvious: ghost shifting, need for tweaking, and stiff cold weather shifter action. My guess is that inability to test for long-term conditions maybe hampered the review some. Advent X is quite literally bombproof. You can fix it with a decent rock and a prayer to your favorite deity.
Actually advent x was the only drivetrain that developed issues during the short term testing window we had. Glad to hear yours is working well though!
@@99spokes What issues? I didn't hear you mention any "developed" issues in the video.
If i can get the Sram NX for 30€ less than Deore, is it a no brainer?
I think you'd probably be happy with either; though in my experience Deore usually takes a little less fiddling with in the long term
During the pandemic parts shortage I saw SX sold for more than Deore, which was absurd, but grabbed Deore on a great deal, better than the common retailers. Prices are normal now.
My deore is smooth as silk while my brother's sram nx is kind of hard to shift. Pushing the lever with more force and not able to pull using the same lever for both high and low. The deore is just amazing on trails. By the way the NX "does not have a clutch". That so called clutch is used to remove the wheel and chain but aside from that it's all chain slap.
It actually does have a clutch, the mechanism you’re talking about is used to release the pressure of the clutch for removing the wheel. Different frame designs and of course frame protection impact chain noise a lot, so that may be some of the difference you’re hearing between yours and your friend’s bike
i think shimano derailleurs are crap. i went through three slx derailleurs in 7 months. all of them were catastrophic failures. each broke in a different spot. my nx 11 speed is on about 2 years now… clunky and fidgety but still alive
Dang! Sorry you've had that experience!
all sram overprice. shimano top
In my opinion, all Sram drive trains other than XO are utter shit for the price. Shimano makes the smoothest and least adjustment needed drive trains on the market unless you can live with a 10 speed, then the Microshift is easiest to set up and adjust from what I hear.
I have a microshift on my hardtail. Always been smooth and reliable. My full suspension has an XT and its also been butter. I just hate the silver cassette.
@@Libertà_sulla_vita Right! As soon as Shimano comes out with a black cassette, they're back on top on sales.
My Aventon Ramblas EMTB came equipped with NX group set. No issues at the first 1,200 km on a 100Nm motor.
It slams into gear like it’s still mad about something you said last week… 😅
Deore is not a budget drivetrain
I guess it’s all relative 🤷♂️ Compared to a $1k AXS drivetrain $150 feels pretty budget, but your right, there are even more affordable options out there 🤙
@@99spokes yup
LOL. to grade something lower because you forgot to switch it on is just hillarious.
But to grade it lower because you have to remember vs it being automatic? Seems legit to us 🤷♂️
Just my opinon, maybe you should have had all 3 drivetrains in 10 speed. Cool comparison nevertheless. Aloha. 🤙
Yeah, that would have been interesting for sure!
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NX sucks. Microshift is shit, the fit and finish is trash. Deore is the clear winner.