Thank you Sram for breaking my wallet again. Just so you know, it's been 2-3 years since I follow your videos and I always search for a review from you before buying any bike parts.
I’m reading hundreds of comments of folks hemming and hawing over this and that and all the micro details that may or may not make this drivetrain a gamechanger. Hands down the absolute gamechanger here is the UDH interface and the new Transmission derailleur. Absolute mic drop. This derailleur CRUSHED everything. Would be cool to see 52-9 though, just sayin’😂
Great video, Thanks. I have just a little bit of time on my XO Transmission and its been amazing. Only complaint I have is the new pod, I removed that and went back to the old controller with the add-on shifter paddle. With AXS I prefer to use the single shift mode, no 2x or 3x autoshifting. The lack if feedback makes it easy to change more gears than I wanted.
Thanks again for the in depth technical review. That answers a lot of questions. These changes address some of the issues I've had with Eagle drivetrains.
Nice to read it! I’m studying to mount a new GX T-Type derailleur in my Super Caliber with XT group set, using the cassete, chain and crankset Shimano. My XT derailleur and shifter were gone after 3 years of use, I expected more time working.🙃
Useful info, thank you. I'm a massive fan of the previous gen AXS and I'm keen to try the new one. The massive investment to replace derailleur, cassette, spider and chain means I'll wait until i change bike though. My current setup, GX AXS, is definitely good enough for me, even on a 90nm ebike. I just hope the last gen cassettes and chains don't become hard to get, maybe time to stock up now
@@LoveMTB saw so many comparison videos of the new and old derailleur, is it true the old axs shifters shift much faster or is it a myth? Either way i will have to wait until garbaruk or e*thirteen come out with a cassette until i would consider getting the new derailleur.
Awesome deep dive into those cassettes thank you!!! I would love to see a cost to run comparison for say 10k kms between the old and new t type and a shamano 12speed...If the t type is as durable as sram claims it could actually be the cheapest to run for 10k kms but I doubt it...
I tried older 1295 cassette on a T type GX transmission incl. t-type chain and it works ok .. i put 1.5mm spacer behind the cassette to improve chainline a bit ,but not needed to work ok as microajust i on 8 position ( without spacer will be around 2-3 ) . my crank is Next 12 speed model ,it works with t type chain too . My next experiment will be new 1275 t-type cassette on a XDR freehub body and older Lunar mechanic transmission ( i hope it will fit as XDR sits 1.85mm inwards )
I used a new T-type cassette with the axs derailleur, XO1 chain, and used a 1.5mm washer under the derailleur. It runs, but unfortunately not as smoothly as with the original XO1 cassette. If I micro adjust derailleur on the smallest cogs, then it doesn't go well on the largest ones and vice versa. I think the main trick is that T-type derailleur is better optimized for the T-type cassette. I am coming back to my original axs setup which works perfectly.@@LoveMTB
Thanks so much for this video, now i understand why the new XS cassette wont work on my canyon grizl. i was this close to throw everything into the bin
LoveMTB - I understand that with SRAM’s new Eagle XX T-Type AXS Transmission, "shifting under load is made possible”. Is it correct to assume that shifting under load is NOT recommended with my 2021 AXS Eagle XX1 group-set??
Kind of depends what you mean by that. Shifting under load, to a SMALLER cog is clunkier on SRAM 12 speed vs Shimano 12 speed/ HG+. T-Type is trying to mimic that using electronics and they succeed but Shimano HG+ is still better in my opinion. Shifting under load to a parget cog/ smaller gear is kinda similar on all...
I think they are aimed at different markets? The SRAM gear is high end, whereas Shimano Linkguide is available for cheaper builds. Maybe Shimano will release lighter weight cassettes in the future?
Hey, I haven't tried the Linkglide Shimano drivetrain yet, but from what I read about it, it does shift a bit slower than HG+. I think Sram learned from it, copied it and gave it fancy name (shift mapping). As I have seen the T type also shifts much slower than previous AXS or any other mechanical derailleur.
Yup it waits for the shift ramps to come around before the cage moves. Probably smart and probably why Linkglide is also slower in operation, the wBije boost can rip off freehub/ feeewheels cassette cogs etc
@LoveMTB Form what i understood from this video the new cassettes have a 2.5mm offset, away from the spokes towards the rear derailleur. Theoretically speaking, if I was to put a 2.5mm spacer behind an "old style, non T-type" cassette, to move it outward, towards the rear mech, run an "old style, non T-type, non flattop chain", shouldn't that work in conjunction with the new tranmission derailleur? In my mind, as long as the spacing in-between the cogs of the cassette, remained the same, it should work just fine. Would you think the same? If so, this could be a hack to not blow ridiculous amounts of money on the new cassettes. What do you think?
@@marcbuchel4873 the trick is the installation od the cassette with that spacer behind it won’t properly engage withr the spline of the freehub plus not enough thread left to tighten to proper 40Nm? In my books not worth the risk plus the 42-52 jump in that cassette🤔
What I've done already is, I put a 2mm spacer behind the cassette and that works ok for all gears, except for the gear change from the smallest to the second smallest cog. That one doesn't always work flawlessly. The cassette seems to sit on the freehub body fine for now.
If I got it right, you have measured and compared the thickness of the largest sprocket - both 2,80 - but not their teeth. Maybe you can still do it and add the result here in the comments, please? Might be some more info, as there are narrow and wide parts and maybe a narrow edge as well....?
@@LoveMTB Hi, thank you for your great videos. I have one question left becours my Englisch is not good enough 😅 Is this derailleur compatible with Shimano XT 12s
Is the sram transmission derailleur compatible with a frame that has a UDH but has the standard gx 520% 12spd cassette? Or rather, could I just upgrade the derailleur and shifter on a bike with a udh and sram gx mechanical drivetrain?
I got my new bike last week with the new Sram AXS eagle derailleur and I was nog aware of the shifting delay... I must say this feels really clumsy... so if you get to a steep hill out of a corner and you want to quickly shift to a higher gear fast... the derailleur simply can't keep up and takes it's own time where you will have to push maximum on the climb... I must say, here Shimano works better... I read Srams argument to design the product like this, but any competitive MTB rider will confirm quick shifting performance is key on any parcours that has quick/steep hills...
Interesting that you said that SRAM had Shimano beat in regards to ebikes and then later mention the price of the new SRAM chains. I would definitely say that Shimano came out on top there in regards to durability and cost.
@@LoveMTB and durability, which I suppose directly links with cost. . A 12spd deore or a link glide system should last masses longer, especially on an ebike. I can't see how this system would be better in any way for ebikes. The shifting would been to be beyond fantastic to make up for it.
I want to try a new T-Type XX cassette with my AXS GX derailleur. I can easily machine 2.5mm offset on the hanger, and I will also get a T-Type chain, derailleur pulleys, and front chainring. I am not buying a new $9000 UDH bike just to put a $2000 "transmission" kit on it. My GX cassette is pretty worn so its about time to replace it anyway. I think the biggest improvements probably come from the new chain and cassette.
That's crazy they weigh the same. I would pick the most affordable one every time. I also wonder how the efficiency is compared to Shimano. Sram usually gives up a few watts to Shimano but does that trend continue in transmission
So let me get this straight…the old AXS X-dome machining was more expensive to manufacture, so they went to a cheaper, pinned construction…and charge the consumer more for it? Nice.
Great review. Can I use in a pinch, a SRAM eagle powerlock 12 speed link on a T Type chain? I gather using a whole (new) Eagle chain on the Eagle transmission cassette not a great idea? Sram say the T type chain ring is compatible with older Eagle chain. Thanks.
So, I have a new 2023 Marin RZ2 frame with a Sram UDH. I just ordered a T-Type cassette in order to obtain the recommended 55mm chainline, along with a Sram Eagle Wide (also 55mm chainline) crankset. want to stick with mechanical due to cost but I'm confused by your example of the cassette jamming up even though a Sram UDH is used. My understanding was that a Sram UDH signifies that you should use a T-Type cassette w/55mm chainline. Thanks in advance. Would like to know before I start assembly.
It jams up because I USE the UDH! That cassette is installed without the USH, derailleur direct mount on the frame. Check my derailleur vid for it - th-cam.com/video/DqxyTY2Vx2I/w-d-xo.html
@@LoveMTB Thanks for the reply. So, I have the UDH on my Marin RZ2 and it sounds as though I cannot use this cassette with that. I assume that the 55mm chainline is maintained by the cassette extending wider outboard (to account for the missing hanger). I am trying to meet the 55mm chainline for mechanical shift using a Sram Wide BB, Sram Wide crankset, a standard Eagle (non-T-type derailleur) and so I thought I was doing the right thing by going with the T-Type cassette to meet said standard but would I be better off using a standard Eagle GX (non-T-type) cassette?
@LoveMTB So, if I want to stay mechanical but I want to achieve the desired 55mm chainline, I would want to use a Sram WIDE Boost crankset, Sram WIDE DUB BB (for correct spacers), a standard Eagle 1x12 derailleur along with any standard Sram Eagle 12-spd cassette (NOT the T-Type). Sound about right?
You cannot use the T-Type cassette with old Eagle, it won't work. You can use a 55 mm chainline with the old Eagle 12s mechanical no problem.@@jmoney2724
@@LoveMTBTyvm. Very helpful. I merely want to comply with the manufacturer's recommendation of a 55mm chainline. I will update the crankset and bb to WIDE standard but leave the rest alone. I cannot afford the chain, crankset cassette, electronic shifters and derailleur for T-Type until it comes down to working man level pricing.
To achieve the shifting under load, doesnt the system overall shift slower so it hits a shift ramp properly? Something i heard the other day, makes it seem like a band aid fix to their previous AXS to shift under load
Please do Shimano Linkglide. I really want to know if it's true that they cannot be mixed with existing product lines and exactly why. I'm interested in replacing my XT/SLX 12s drive train with Deore 10s Linkglide on my eeeb. I'm not using the largest granny gear and the short cage on the Deore derailleur looks like it will keep out of the way of rocks n logs better that a 12s rig.
For some reasons I bought the new groupset but I can't afford riding it all year long. The wear item are 380+100+100 so almost 600. So yeah I would like to run old gx stuff for off season riding. It would be neat if there was a way to run the old cassette. I think a 2mm spacer on the driver would do the trick with the old chain.
Probably not what kind of fit would you get on the XD driver with 2mm spacer behind? Highly NOT recommended. What I would recommend though is researching how to reduce friction and wear in drivetrain. Like wax🤓
@@LoveMTB i already use wax, but i am still north of 4000km per year on thatbike, it would require change every year. i will probably switch back to old gx complete gruppo for off seaon simply not selling the gx derailleur.
@@LoveMTB also sram says the link must not be reused on the new gruppo so waxing require a new missing link every time. I have a hard time with "no wear" on mtb stuff. For 6 months i ride in mud/rain/snow you can't avoid some wear. It's not like running on a sunny road.
What about compatibility new T-Type GX derailleur (mount on UDH frame) with old Gx cassette and chain ? Have You tried it ? I want to replace my old GX but only derailleur . What do You think ?
Hi LoveMTB👋🏻 We have a dispute with some guys from Russia. What is the correct name of Sram series? XO1 or X01? In Russia in stores this product is called X/zero/1. In your video you say X/letter "O"/1. I showed your video to my friends, but they say that English speaking people instead of "zero", say "O", is it true? What is the correct name for the Sram series? Thanks 🙌🏻🙂
[Pitch is not different however the cassette is built with the larger rollers of the new chain in mind so if you put an Eagle 12s chain on it it will behave as if it's worn out already. Can't really install it in the old drivetrain anyway as you see in the video.
@@LoveMTB Custom hanger would make this work without the Transmission derailleur. Always new chain with new cassettes! Thank you for confirming cassette pitch!
Can you use a t-type deraileur with an old style cassette? if yes, i guess you can simply buy the derailleur alone with the shifter and run the old style cassette and chain no problem?
It's all good but it still doesn't solve the chainline issues of 12 speed. I'm seriously considering bringing my bikes back to 1x7 speed DH drivetrain but with 30 tooth chainring ... Seriously it's been years and it's happening on my XT bike and SRAM xo hardtail. It's still an issue that everyone ignores. I can't 😂
I didn’t understand the main difference between these cassettes. The price difference only comes from the silver coating of it? Silver one have more lifetime then the X0 version? There is not a weight difference so what is the main thing that silver one is more expensive? I’m planning to use on my Levo e-bike. 👍🏻
Excellent comparison video. Why is SRAM going with the 55mm chainline? I thought boost was already the standard and what most frames are nowadays. Is it because rear tires are getting wider and need more frame clearance?
@@GokkunGuru don’t know assume space or lack of it. Remember I’m not sponsored by SRAM, did not get invited to the factory, didn’t get a Groupset to review. It’s all what I could find or figured out about the T-Type😉
The current Sram products are already too expensive. GX 10-50 Cassette your lucky to find new for under $200. Chain $90 for a supposed good one. Front chain ring $40…..I easily definitely go through two chains if not three a year. Cassettes are sloppy before the end of the season even when keeping the chain clean and lubed and replacing it to try and help the cassette. I find it hard to believe Sram is spec’d so heavily or Shimano by manufacturers. I’m currently in my second bike spec’d all Sram but I can say Shimano lasted longer and were cheaper to replace the components for sure. The big thing is Shimano definitely shifted way better and stayed in adjustment way better. If it’s true Sram is stepping up their shifting game with this redesign I can only imagine what it will cost now…..
There definitely going 13 speed. Market for touring back packing while going 1x. Or for xc bikes to go bigger on sproket for more top speed or for enduro heavier bikes
Previous design: "...all these 11 gears being pretty much machined from one large piece of steel. This process was very expensive..." - ah, good for the customer! Wait... what? ;-)
I really don't understand this massive cassette and crazy prices for them 1 by craze, when you can just have a double or triple chain ring on the front. A fool and his money................
I Like Sram but the Casset thing is a absolute rich kids thing. I mostly use the Gear 10-12 for long range. So like go to work and back home. This why i changed to Micro Spline Casset. I can easely change the worn out gear and it cost me just 8-20€ instead of a 300€ Casset, because mine is dead on gears i need and just half ridden. The Chain works great so far and moves easy over all gears. The most great thing about the Colored 12S Chains are that the outside of the Links arent getting rusty like the Shimano ones. Nice for sram to bring out a T-type one but useless for me when i cant change the gears i use the most.
I watched more and heard sram’s “logic” and I call bs… both are steel and weigh the exact same. I would buy xo. But doubt others will notice, so kudos to sram for marketing.
9:25 Why? Like I don't understand why shouldn't it be compatible with other bikes. Maybe is only happening to your bike? And Is your rear axle boost? Thanks.
You were measuring the mass of the cassettes not the weight. Grams/kilograms is a unit of mass not weight. The mass of an object is the same on Earth as it is on the Moon but the weight is different at each of these locations because weight is the product of mass multiplied by gravity. You don't say kilogram meter for torque do you? No, it's Newton Meter where Newton is the unit of weight and force in the Si Metric System.
I couldn't care less about e-bikes, and I couldn't care less about parts that demand batteries to operate a bicycle. Keep It Simple Stupid Less is more
@@LoveMTB Sounded like a good 'ol capitalist, well done 🤑, and BTW, Cannondale SE - Full XTR - used for some time now, I was surprised how it shifts under load, also that there is the most change in: casette and shifter quality! Cog spacing also better, well T-Type now corrects that jump betwn. 44-50.
Ok I’m new to MTBiking and just bought my first full suspension bike so my question is what is the difference in cassettes for your bike what does it mean
Congratulations for what I think are some of the best mtb mechanical and tech TH-cam videos out there.
Wow, thanks!
How many i have spent my money for this groupset?
Thank you Sram for breaking my wallet again. Just so you know, it's been 2-3 years since I follow your videos and I always search for a review from you before buying any bike parts.
Thanks Anthony🙂 And yes SRAM did break my wallet with this one...🤓
I have been watching your channel for many years, everything is simple, clear and understandable.
Thanks Vitaly!
Advantage Garbaruk!😄 I love this deep dive series even if I'm not a fan of the newest Eagle.
Thanks! Hope your recovery is going well.🤘
@@LoveMTB It is! Thanks!
I’m reading hundreds of comments of folks hemming and hawing over this and that and all the micro details that may or may not make this drivetrain a gamechanger. Hands down the absolute gamechanger here is the UDH interface and the new Transmission derailleur. Absolute mic drop. This derailleur CRUSHED everything. Would be cool to see 52-9 though, just sayin’😂
Nice review. I recently installed the XO group on a bike. SRAM finally shifts as well as Shimano 12 speed… but at a much greater cost!
Agree they caught up + eBike compatible = winning combo? Time will tell
I'd love to see you try using a T-Type cassette and chain with a non T-Type derailleur, such as previous Sram AXS or Shimano.
Unfortunately I probably won't even try it given all I know about the new system. I have documented it quite well I believe🙂
Great video, Thanks. I have just a little bit of time on my XO Transmission and its been amazing. Only complaint I have is the new pod, I removed that and went back to the old controller with the add-on shifter paddle. With AXS I prefer to use the single shift mode, no 2x or 3x autoshifting. The lack if feedback makes it easy to change more gears than I wanted.
Thanks for the info! We will see if we keep the new pod or go for the old one.
Detailed review - nice job!! Happy with my 12spd XT set up :)
Can’t beat that!😎
I'm happy with my XT 11 speed. It's cheap too.
Thanks again for the in depth technical review. That answers a lot of questions. These changes address some of the issues I've had with Eagle drivetrains.
Glad to help Jonathan🤘
Super informative. No BS. Love it.
Solid explanation of the major differences! Well done!
Thank you Steve
for information, I'm running the new powermeter XX sl Quarq with my XTR drivetrain (Xtr chain icluded) and It's working perfectly!
Thanks for sharing, it's what I assumed seeing that the new teeth are narrower, pretty much what Shimano chain wants!👍👍👍
Nice to read it! I’m studying to mount a new GX T-Type derailleur in my Super Caliber with XT group set, using the cassete, chain and crankset Shimano.
My XT derailleur and shifter were gone after 3 years of use, I expected more time working.🙃
Useful info, thank you. I'm a massive fan of the previous gen AXS and I'm keen to try the new one. The massive investment to replace derailleur, cassette, spider and chain means I'll wait until i change bike though. My current setup, GX AXS, is definitely good enough for me, even on a 90nm ebike.
I just hope the last gen cassettes and chains don't become hard to get, maybe time to stock up now
I hear you, I would do the same. Plus in the meantime we will probably see at least the zgX version of this? Might not be wireless though...
@@LoveMTB saw so many comparison videos of the new and old derailleur, is it true the old axs shifters shift much faster or is it a myth? Either way i will have to wait until garbaruk or e*thirteen come out with a cassette until i would consider getting the new derailleur.
Awesome deep dive into those cassettes thank you!!! I would love to see a cost to run comparison for say 10k kms between the old and new t type and a shamano 12speed...If the t type is as durable as sram claims it could actually be the cheapest to run for 10k kms but I doubt it...
Thanks Glenn I’m sure Adam at zero friction is working on it already 😎
Definitely SRAM has the advantage
Great content, like always.
Even if Sram has all the Bling and Gimick.
I still Love Shimano And Japanese Products.
for Longevity and Reliability
They’re great value for sure 🤘
I tried older 1295 cassette on a T type GX transmission incl. t-type chain and it works ok .. i put 1.5mm spacer behind the cassette to improve chainline a bit ,but not needed to work ok as microajust i on 8 position ( without spacer will be around 2-3 ) . my crank is Next 12 speed model ,it works with t type chain too . My next experiment will be new 1275 t-type cassette on a XDR freehub body and older Lunar mechanic transmission ( i hope it will fit as XDR sits 1.85mm inwards )
Thanks for sharing. WHy not use the proper, new cassette? And for XDR they always recommend using the 1.85 spacer for MTB cassettes
I think it is recommended to use the spacer only for older eagle cassette, not for T-type@@LoveMTB
Nope, XDR is loo long for MTB cassettes, all of them@@ricky66659
I used a new T-type cassette with the axs derailleur, XO1 chain, and used a 1.5mm washer under the derailleur. It runs, but unfortunately not as smoothly as with the original XO1 cassette. If I micro adjust derailleur on the smallest cogs, then it doesn't go well on the largest ones and vice versa. I think the main trick is that T-type derailleur is better optimized for the T-type cassette. I am coming back to my original axs setup which works perfectly.@@LoveMTB
Yeah this stuff is optimized for T-Type not worth it to mix and match especially for the price! Thanks for sharing your experience@@ricky66659
Thanks so much for this video, now i understand why the new XS cassette wont work on my canyon grizl. i was this close to throw everything into the bin
You're welcome!
Big thanks!
LoveMTB - I understand that with SRAM’s new Eagle XX T-Type AXS Transmission, "shifting under load is made possible”. Is it correct to assume that shifting under load is NOT recommended with my 2021 AXS Eagle XX1 group-set??
Kind of depends what you mean by that. Shifting under load, to a SMALLER cog is clunkier on SRAM 12 speed vs Shimano 12 speed/ HG+. T-Type is trying to mimic that using electronics and they succeed but Shimano HG+ is still better in my opinion.
Shifting under load to a parget cog/ smaller gear is kinda similar on all...
I think they are aimed at different markets? The SRAM gear is high end, whereas Shimano Linkguide is available for cheaper builds. Maybe Shimano will release lighter weight cassettes in the future?
You are correct, different markets. Shimano - don't expect lighter Linkglide as the whole point of that line is durability,, steel everything etc.
can not wait for durability test and comparison to cues.
Comparison to CUES???🤨
Good to know that you cant use the newer cassettes with older stuff. I feel like someone has made that mistake already.
Probably but you see it right away
Hey, I haven't tried the Linkglide Shimano drivetrain yet, but from what I read about it, it does shift a bit slower than HG+.
I think Sram learned from it, copied it and gave it fancy name (shift mapping). As I have seen the T type also shifts much slower than previous AXS or any other mechanical derailleur.
Yup it waits for the shift ramps to come around before the cage moves. Probably smart and probably why Linkglide is also slower in operation, the wBije boost can rip off freehub/ feeewheels cassette cogs etc
So glad I'm a single speeder.
Hi, can i use a x0 t-type der. With 10-50 eagle cassete and 12sp eagle xx1 chain - will it work or not?
@@EmbargoNagrania nope 👎
@LoveMTB
Form what i understood from this video the new cassettes have a 2.5mm offset, away from the spokes towards the rear derailleur. Theoretically speaking, if I was to put a 2.5mm spacer behind an "old style, non T-type" cassette, to move it outward, towards the rear mech, run an "old style, non T-type, non flattop chain", shouldn't that work in conjunction with the new tranmission derailleur? In my mind, as long as the spacing in-between the cogs of the cassette, remained the same, it should work just fine. Would you think the same?
If so, this could be a hack to not blow ridiculous amounts of money on the new cassettes. What do you think?
It could work but I am not going to try it myself. Let us know if you go ahead with it 🤘
Will do. I've already asked a buddy who works at a machine shop to make me a 2.5mm spacer
@@marcbuchel4873 the trick is the installation od the cassette with that spacer behind it won’t properly engage withr the spline of the freehub plus not enough thread left to tighten to proper 40Nm? In my books not worth the risk plus the 42-52 jump in that cassette🤔
What I've done already is, I put a 2mm spacer behind the cassette and that works ok for all gears, except for the gear change from the smallest to the second smallest cog. That one doesn't always work flawlessly. The cassette seems to sit on the freehub body fine for now.
@@marcbuchel4873 “Seems to” might be the key part of your comment?😊
If I got it right, you have measured and compared the thickness of the largest sprocket - both 2,80 - but not their teeth.
Maybe you can still do it and add the result here in the comments, please?
Might be some more info, as there are narrow and wide parts and maybe a narrow edge as well....?
I wonder if you could use the new sram T type derailleur with shimano XTR. I think you have tried the sram XX1 with the shimano and it has worked.
I did. But remember that this derailleur has no adjustments so it is expecting everything to be just in the right spot, like a transmission 😎
@@LoveMTB Hi, thank you for your great videos. I have one question left becours my Englisch is not good enough 😅 Is this derailleur compatible with Shimano XT 12s
Is the sram transmission derailleur compatible with a frame that has a UDH but has the standard gx 520% 12spd cassette? Or rather, could I just upgrade the derailleur and shifter on a bike with a udh and sram gx mechanical drivetrain?
Check the video carefully, this and next one about the derailleurs 😉
I got my new bike last week with the new Sram AXS eagle derailleur and I was nog aware of the shifting delay... I must say this feels really clumsy... so if you get to a steep hill out of a corner and you want to quickly shift to a higher gear fast... the derailleur simply can't keep up and takes it's own time where you will have to push maximum on the climb... I must say, here Shimano works better... I read Srams argument to design the product like this, but any competitive MTB rider will confirm quick shifting performance is key on any parcours that has quick/steep hills...
@@freddiek7125 Still they win races at the highest level of competition with this groupset so I think we’re fine 😎
Interesting that you said that SRAM had Shimano beat in regards to ebikes and then later mention the price of the new SRAM chains. I would definitely say that Shimano came out on top there in regards to durability and cost.
I would say it’s debatable if you’re just looking at cost
@@LoveMTB and durability, which I suppose directly links with cost. . A 12spd deore or a link glide system should last masses longer, especially on an ebike. I can't see how this system would be better in any way for ebikes. The shifting would been to be beyond fantastic to make up for it.
It really is another very informative video with great observations and content. However, these new SRAM groups are definitely not popular... Hugs!!!
I want to try a new T-Type XX cassette with my AXS GX derailleur. I can easily machine 2.5mm offset on the hanger, and I will also get a T-Type chain, derailleur pulleys, and front chainring. I am not buying a new $9000 UDH bike just to put a $2000 "transmission" kit on it. My GX cassette is pretty worn so its about time to replace it anyway. I think the biggest improvements probably come from the new chain and cassette.
Aaaaaand what are you going to do if the trim adjustment of the GX won't allow you to actually index the gears/ start at 10T??
@@LoveMTB if the spacing between the gears is the same, it will work the same as long as the derailleur has the correct offset.
@@mk3driftmotion hello, any update ? I need to do this too and I want to know if it works, thank you :)
Is the t-type XO xs-1295 with t-t-type flattop chain compatible with GX axs derailleur? And xsync chainring 30t on levo sl gen1?
Simply no
Hi LoveMTB, I am a bit confused @9:12. How would you upgrade the new cassette to a boost frame? Why is the cassette rubbing against UDH?
Because this cassette is not meant to be used with a hanger? Check out this - th-cam.com/video/Wd4UChCvs-4/w-d-xo.html
@@LoveMTB Got it, the derailleur is mounted directly through the axle. Thanks for the explanation!
So if I’m understanding you correctly the new derailleur is not compatible with the old style casettes?
Correct
That's crazy they weigh the same. I would pick the most affordable one every time. I also wonder how the efficiency is compared to Shimano. Sram usually gives up a few watts to Shimano but does that trend continue in transmission
The cheaper one will wear faster and not be cheaper if you climb a ton
The watts - it was mostly from the chain, wanting for ppl setup to run those tests to put some numbers out...
So let me get this straight…the old AXS X-dome machining was more expensive to manufacture, so they went to a cheaper, pinned construction…and charge the consumer more for it? Nice.
Great review. Can I use in a pinch, a SRAM eagle powerlock 12 speed link on a T Type chain? I gather using a whole (new) Eagle chain on the Eagle transmission cassette not a great idea? Sram say the T type chain ring is compatible with older Eagle chain. Thanks.
T-type chainrins are the only ones backwards compatible indeed. And I wouldn't use the old quick link on the new chain
So, I have a new 2023 Marin RZ2 frame with a Sram UDH. I just ordered a T-Type cassette in order to obtain the recommended 55mm chainline, along with a Sram Eagle Wide (also 55mm chainline) crankset. want to stick with mechanical due to cost but I'm confused by your example of the cassette jamming up even though a Sram UDH is used. My understanding was that a Sram UDH signifies that you should use a T-Type cassette w/55mm chainline. Thanks in advance. Would like to know before I start assembly.
It jams up because I USE the UDH! That cassette is installed without the USH, derailleur direct mount on the frame. Check my derailleur vid for it - th-cam.com/video/DqxyTY2Vx2I/w-d-xo.html
@@LoveMTB Thanks for the reply. So, I have the UDH on my Marin RZ2 and it sounds as though I cannot use this cassette with that. I assume that the 55mm chainline is maintained by the cassette extending wider outboard (to account for the missing hanger). I am trying to meet the 55mm chainline for mechanical shift using a Sram Wide BB, Sram Wide crankset, a standard Eagle (non-T-type derailleur) and so I thought I was doing the right thing by going with the T-Type cassette to meet said standard but would I be better off using a standard Eagle GX (non-T-type) cassette?
@LoveMTB So, if I want to stay mechanical but I want to achieve the desired 55mm chainline, I would want to use a Sram WIDE Boost crankset, Sram WIDE DUB BB (for correct spacers), a standard Eagle 1x12 derailleur along with any standard Sram Eagle 12-spd cassette (NOT the T-Type). Sound about right?
You cannot use the T-Type cassette with old Eagle, it won't work. You can use a 55 mm chainline with the old Eagle 12s mechanical no problem.@@jmoney2724
@@LoveMTBTyvm. Very helpful. I merely want to comply with the manufacturer's recommendation of a 55mm chainline. I will update the crankset and bb to WIDE standard but leave the rest alone. I cannot afford the chain, crankset cassette, electronic shifters and derailleur for T-Type until it comes down to working man level pricing.
To achieve the shifting under load, doesnt the system overall shift slower so it hits a shift ramp properly? Something i heard the other day, makes it seem like a band aid fix to their previous AXS to shift under load
I’m sure the term they would use is feature…
Hi, does anyone know if the old Sram Eagle 12v cassettes and Garbaruk are compatible with the new SRAM T-Type? thanks
They are not
Please do Shimano Linkglide. I really want to know if it's true that they cannot be mixed with existing product lines and exactly why. I'm interested in replacing my XT/SLX 12s drive train with Deore 10s Linkglide on my eeeb. I'm not using the largest granny gear and the short cage on the Deore derailleur looks like it will keep out of the way of rocks n logs better that a 12s rig.
If I can get my hands on it...
For some reasons I bought the new groupset but I can't afford riding it all year long. The wear item are 380+100+100 so almost 600. So yeah I would like to run old gx stuff for off season riding. It would be neat if there was a way to run the old cassette. I think a 2mm spacer on the driver would do the trick with the old chain.
Probably not what kind of fit would you get on the XD driver with 2mm spacer behind? Highly NOT recommended. What I would recommend though is researching how to reduce friction and wear in drivetrain. Like wax🤓
@@LoveMTB i already use wax, but i am still north of 4000km per year on thatbike, it would require change every year. i will probably switch back to old gx complete gruppo for off seaon simply not selling the gx derailleur.
@@TheAntoine191 I hear you, what wax do you use? BTW Silca wax X shows no wear after 3000k in recent tests
@@LoveMTB also sram says the link must not be reused on the new gruppo so waxing require a new missing link every time. I have a hard time with "no wear" on mtb stuff. For 6 months i ride in mud/rain/snow you can't avoid some wear. It's not like running on a sunny road.
@@TheAntoine191 I hear you. Common sense prevails🤘
What about compatibility new T-Type GX derailleur (mount on UDH frame) with old Gx cassette and chain ? Have You tried it ? I want to replace my old GX but only derailleur . What do You think ?
If I had 2k laying around I would get the new SRAM transmission ASAP. Unfortunately I will be sticking with mechanical for the foreseeable future.
Is this cassette compatybile witch mechanical Sram derailleur ?
Aaaaa....how?
I don't know,that's why I asked :)@@LoveMTB
Cheers!
Hi! It’s Possible to use with gx axs and “old” chain? Thanks!
Take a close look at the end of the video...
Does new derailleur with old cassette work?
Simple answer no, and I have more vids about this drivetrain😉
I have shimano 12 speed m8100 on my ebike and it works great and has proven to be very durable.
Thanks for sharing. What chain do you use with it? Lube or wax? Thanks
@@LoveMTB dumonde tech. I put over 1,000 miles on my last groupo. I use an xtr chain because it has proven to be most durable
@@Bench_mark_113 Good stuff! If you want to double/ triple that look at wax 😏
Is New chainring compatible with old chain XX1?
Yes, check this out - th-cam.com/video/AGpIlzUa-Uk/w-d-xo.html
Hi LoveMTB👋🏻 We have a dispute with some guys from Russia. What is the correct name of Sram series? XO1 or X01? In Russia in stores this product is called X/zero/1. In your video you say X/letter "O"/1. I showed your video to my friends, but they say that English speaking people instead of "zero", say "O", is it true? What is the correct name for the Sram series? Thanks 🙌🏻🙂
It is X01 / zero one but in English for zero you can say O as well. Oh well🙂
Do you know if the cassette pitch is different to non-Transmission Eagle cassettes?
[Pitch is not different however the cassette is built with the larger rollers of the new chain in mind so if you put an Eagle 12s chain on it it will behave as if it's worn out already. Can't really install it in the old drivetrain anyway as you see in the video.
@@LoveMTB Custom hanger would make this work without the Transmission derailleur. Always new chain with new cassettes! Thank you for confirming cassette pitch!
Can I run one of these cassettes with a GX derailleur and normal eagle chain? (non AXS/T type) With a UDH
I would not recommend that...
Can we mix the T Type with shimano or have they done an iphone move on us?
Iphone💯
Can you use a t-type deraileur with an old style cassette? if yes, i guess you can simply buy the derailleur alone with the shifter and run the old style cassette and chain no problem?
Thank you for this
It's all good but it still doesn't solve the chainline issues of 12 speed.
I'm seriously considering bringing my bikes back to 1x7 speed DH drivetrain but with 30 tooth chainring ... Seriously it's been years and it's happening on my XT bike and SRAM xo hardtail. It's still an issue that everyone ignores. I can't 😂
New chain on previous Eagle version doesn’t make sense, how about previous Eagle chain on new version?
Wold work as if the cassette is already worn out
I didn’t understand the main difference between these cassettes. The price difference only comes from the silver coating of it? Silver one have more lifetime then the X0 version? There is not a weight difference so what is the main thing that silver one is more expensive? I’m planning to use on my Levo e-bike. 👍🏻
Awesome video thanks for the information. What is your opinion on Shimano’s new auto shifting E bikes?
Sounds good but wonder about the target audience. eBike+no worries about shifting, autopilot next? Tesla drivers?😎
Excellent comparison video. Why is SRAM going with the 55mm chainline? I thought boost was already the standard and what most frames are nowadays.
Is it because rear tires are getting wider and need more frame clearance?
Yup tire clearance but they do 55mm right with cassette also pushed out. You can see all that explanation in the crankset video😉
@@LoveMTB Right. The BB and spindle are 3mm more outboard. Why the cassette is 2.5mm and not 3mm?
@@GokkunGuru don’t know assume space or lack of it. Remember I’m not sponsored by SRAM, did not get invited to the factory, didn’t get a Groupset to review. It’s all what I could find or figured out about the T-Type😉
@@LoveMTB Right. Likely lack is space in the rear. Pls make sure to review the RD next and also the new Stealth brakes! Thanks
@@GokkunGuru that’s the plan my friend, that’s the plan
I would like to know the resource of such cassettes, how much they will be enough
Why don’t they make a cassette out of solid titanium?
Because of $$$$
The current Sram products are already too expensive. GX 10-50
Cassette your lucky to find new for under $200. Chain $90 for a supposed good one. Front chain ring $40…..I easily definitely go through two chains if not three a year. Cassettes are sloppy before the end of the season even when keeping the chain clean and lubed and replacing it to try and help the cassette. I find it hard to believe Sram is spec’d so heavily or Shimano by manufacturers. I’m currently in my second bike spec’d all Sram but I can say Shimano lasted longer and were cheaper to replace the components for sure. The big thing is Shimano definitely shifted way better and stayed in adjustment way better. If it’s true Sram is stepping up their shifting game with this redesign I can only imagine what it will cost now…..
9t ?
Great videos keep it up! First comment for the win.🎉
Always thanks😇
Why do we need 13 gears? I don't use the 12 I have now. I could easily get rid of the top 3 gears on my GX cassette.
There definitely going 13 speed. Market for touring back packing while going 1x. Or for xc bikes to go bigger on sproket for more top speed or for enduro heavier bikes
Then after that i bet theyll do gearboxes loo
We can only hope. SRAM just introduced the Apex 12s for gravel so it's coming!
Let's see how it works with Shimano components mixed in, if it does at all :)
As you can see at the end…
Previous design: "...all these 11 gears being pretty much machined from one large piece of steel. This process was very expensive..." - ah, good for the customer! Wait... what? ;-)
ill just stick my gx line
Until the GX T-Type?😎
I really don't understand this massive cassette and crazy prices for them 1 by craze, when you can just have a double or triple chain ring on the front. A fool and his money................
Well…1x was launched in 2013 and it’s still around. Whatever that means
I Like Sram but the Casset thing is a absolute rich kids thing.
I mostly use the Gear 10-12 for long range. So like go to work and back home.
This why i changed to Micro Spline Casset. I can easely change the worn out gear and it cost me just 8-20€ instead of a 300€ Casset, because mine is dead on gears i need and just half ridden.
The Chain works great so far and moves easy over all gears. The most great thing about the Colored 12S Chains are that the outside of the Links arent getting rusty like the Shimano ones.
Nice for sram to bring out a T-type one but useless for me when i cant change the gears i use the most.
I am sure that your use case scenario falls onto the 20% they they decided not to cover. I would make the same decision is that was my case🤓
Still confused why the price difference between these two cassettes. That are the exact same, yet the xx is $150 more than xo
I watched more and heard sram’s “logic” and I call bs… both are steel and weigh the exact same. I would buy xo. But doubt others will notice, so kudos to sram for marketing.
German engineering, American marketing 🤘
9:25 Why? Like I don't understand why shouldn't it be compatible with other bikes. Maybe is only happening to your bike? And Is your rear axle boost?
Thanks.
Have a whole miniseries about this check them out!🤘 Answer is in this video BTW🤓
@@LoveMTB Then I have had missed it somehow 😅
you're saying XX instead of XS
Sometimes...🤓
You were measuring the mass of the cassettes not the weight. Grams/kilograms is a unit of mass not weight. The mass of an object is the same on Earth as it is on the Moon but the weight is different at each of these locations because weight is the product of mass multiplied by gravity. You don't say kilogram meter for torque do you? No, it's Newton Meter where Newton is the unit of weight and force in the Si Metric System.
So that red thing is a piece of plastic? 🤔
Yup that’s all it is. Some say is also acting as a damper for the x-some part of the cassette but don’t know if that’s true
@@LoveMTB ok I see. Surely they could have used a mark of some kind instead of plastic :/
SRAM does not seem to care for the every day, working person. Shimano wins my $
There’s no way I’m buying this 😅
Why not ADrian???
The gear spacing still sucks. That is one main reason why I use Shimano.
I couldn't care less about e-bikes, and I couldn't care less about parts that demand batteries to operate a bicycle.
Keep It Simple Stupid
Less is more
The SL cassette is easier to machine, wears out faster, but is more expensive. whatever sram.
You know too much 😎🤘😊
This is an expensive sport and SRAM does an amazing job with everything they do but you do have to pay $$$$ for it unfortunately.
Arent u tired of all this constant useless innovation?
Nah, stangnant / same old is the Communist way!😂
If you don't innovate, you die
@@LoveMTB Sounded like a good 'ol capitalist, well done 🤑, and BTW, Cannondale SE - Full XTR - used for some time now, I was surprised how it shifts under load, also that there is the most change in: casette and shifter quality! Cog spacing also better, well T-Type now corrects that jump betwn. 44-50.
The bottomless wallet channel 😂😂
Those things are an expensive solution to a problem that was perfectly solved already 30 years ago by a triple front derailleur. This is ridiculous.
Ok I’m new to MTBiking and just bought my first full suspension bike so my question is what is the difference in cassettes for your bike what does it mean
Cassettes give you better energy transfer.